Neo-Liberalism

Nojokur
Nojokur

OK Veeky Forums give me your best books that you know of regarding neo-liberalism. What is it, it's history, how it came to be, where it's headed, etc

All urls found in this thread:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sGFDozNhTtI
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm
http://www.cis.org.au/app/uploads/2015/07/op114.pdf
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~jlg562/documents/BoasandGans-Morse--SCID.pdf
Supergrass
Supergrass

there is no such thing as neoliberalism. it's a made up word used by weak wristed lefty commie pinko cucks to describe things they don't like.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Supergrass

How do we call the era where everything that ever mattered was markets and every level of society from the individual to the culture was seen through the lenses of a market, then?

Note that neo-liberalism is critiqued from both the left and right. It's a seemingly universal phenomenon that everyone hates about today's world, yet something which isn't fully defined yet

girlDog
girlDog

nigger thinks that a word most high-school children understand is cryptic knowledge
So this... is the power of BLM.
@Crazy_Nice
replying to satire
How new?

takes2long
takes2long

Ding ding ding

@Supergrass
It's really just
The problems facing society are moral problems, capitalism is basically fine

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Nojokur
define something without sources or reference

#Black excellence

massdebater
massdebater

@takes2long
How can capitalism be fine in a world with moral problems when capital, ergo money have no color, creed or beliefs?

The real question to the problem is why we came to cherish capitalism and make it a reference point to everything above all else

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@massdebater
How can it be anything but fine?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Deadlyinx
How can it be?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Crazy_Nice
The post-Jesus era

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nojokur
whats wrong with using google to find some sources? stupid coon

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@massdebater
Capitalism seeks to expand wealth; no one can argue this is a bad thing. It does this by maintaining a ledger of work done and benefits received. This ledger is in the form of money. It informs you how many benefits you can receive until you must work again. Seek after where this concept deviates in practice user, don't just scoff and say you don't like it. Respect your ancestors who brought you these elevated living conditions and refine their methods.

idontknow
idontknow

I prefer "soy boy" and "bugman", they still have some zest and really rile things up

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Deray being a sellout is just social liberalism, not neoliberalism. He wants the government AND PepsiCo to be black people's understanding daddy, not welfare cuts

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@haveahappyday
Capitalism seeks to expand wealth
Wrong, it seeks to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few
being a deracinated consumer with no culture or identity is a form of respect for your anscestors
Oh, you're an American

StonedTime
StonedTime

David Harvey and varoufakis

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TurtleCat
Wow user what a rebuttal. Wealth in the hands of a few is a symptom of something. Can you explain what that something is without just saying capitalism? I want to hear the whole process. Because according to theories of economies of scale and rational consumers we should all be billionaires by now. Why is this not the case?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@CodeBuns
Yeah great reply, really fucking insightful. In your next post please attach a fully-sourced five page essay composed in iambic pentameter on why you are not a retard

Can you do that? If you fail to write me this essay then objectively speaking you will have been proven to be mentally retarded. I'll have no choice but to declare myself your intellectual superior and winner of this argument for all of eternity

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Raving_Cute
We'll I guess I'll fill in for you. Capitalism is failing because it was intended to function under the rule of sovereign states. Did you know the City of London is its own sovereign and legally not answerable to anyone? Same thing with the Bank of International Settlements in Basel. And what about central bank; those are controlled by the states at least right? They issue credit to enterprising citizens who then not only repay the bank but also transform that credit into a higher capital stock? Well that could have been the case but the Fed has obviously been hijacked.

Alan Greenspan even admitted the Fed is not answerable to the federal government: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sGFDozNhTtI

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Check out the reading list on /r/neoliberal. There are a few essay that chart the history of the movement - I think Mirowski's is deemed to be the best one, though I haven't read it yet.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Dude government lmao but also freedom

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Neoliberalism was developed in 1938 as a response to rising totalitarianism in the forms of fascism and communism. The goal was to revive liberalism while addressing the failures of both laissez-faire capitalism and centrally planned economies. What was sketched out was a modernised liberalism with an active but limited state to maintain free enterprise and a basic welfare.
Neoliberals understand that free-market capitalism creates unparalleled growth, opportunity, and innovation, but may fail to allocate wealth efficiently or fairly. Therefore, the state serves vital roles in correcting market failure, ensuring a minimum standard of living, and conducting monetary policy. At the same time, the state should pursue these goals with minimal interference and under the check of inclusive institutions to free it from the influence of corporations, unions, and other special interests.
We believe public policies should be evaluated on how well they achieve their goals. We strive to avoid the failures of collectivists who employ means that are fundamentally inconsistent with the egalitarian ends they seek to attain. For this reason, we support empirical, pragmatic policy grounded in economics. Neoliberals also support classical liberal values such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press (to name a few)
Neoliberals are flexible in their policy prescriptions but are unified in their support for lowering barriers on trade and immigration while also supporting a tax on carbon emissions. We do not all subscribe to a single comprehensive ideology but instead find common ground in liberal priors. Differences within our views often come down to how much redistribution is appropriate and what empirical burden is needed to justify state action.

5mileys
5mileys

@Nude_Bikergirl
How?

askme
askme

@girlDog
@JunkTop
low-tier shitposting
/pol/

WebTool
WebTool

muh neoliberalism
A leftist boogeyman. The equivalent of the right-wing "muh globalists". Doesn't exist anywhere besides maybe Germany.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@WebTool
What would you call Americas system then? Other than corrupt.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PurpleCharger
Kleptocracy seems to be the only fitting word for acting government forms

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@PurpleCharger
America is a mix of a special kind of oligarchical lassaiz fare capitalism and bad social and economic policies. They don't even have basic shit like free healthcare, not to mention they elected Trump who is against immigration (neo-liberals are very pro-immigration, since it has a positive effect on the economy) and iirc has promised protectionist policies (which is anti-neoliberal as it gets).

Evilember
Evilember

@PurpleCharger
Some people think of America as a first-world country and a superpower but we're more like a trash-strewn carnival run by goofy magnates and lots of rockets.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember
A third world country with a first world budget.

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
any economy with a monetary system is capitalism
never post here again brainlet

Inmate
Inmate

@massdebater
Usually an economy with a monetary system whose purpose is to maximize wealth is labeled as being calitalist. But usually labels are dumb I guess. What would you call it?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
On the rights of man and citizen
Essay

Methnerd
Methnerd

Read these two then pic related:
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Supergrass
its just liberalism on a specifically international scale. You're an idiot.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Check out Philip Mirowski's "Never let a serious crisis go to waste" he is an intellectual historian concerned with economics. His tone is flip which can be frustrating, but it is an excellent, though critical, account. He works hard to disambiguate the term.
The bibliography is worth a look even if you don't like the book.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Need_TLC
Best reply ITT.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Supergrass
weak wristed

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
empirical
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Welcome, Friend

The Road From Mont Perelin
Capitalism and Freedom

http://www.cis.org.au/app/uploads/2015/07/op114.pdf
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~jlg562/documents/BoasandGans-Morse--SCID.pdf

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Need_TLC
what if the individual doesn't consent

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Sir_Gallonhead
Then we call the IMF

Inmate
Inmate

@SomethingNew

'Neoliberalism' is an antisemetic dogwhistle spammed by Russian bots

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
they elected Trump who is against
I would say this is because people are "revolting" against neo-liberalism at this point.
The established legislative body and bureaucratic government is still almost entirely composed of neo-liberals.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Nojokur
Holy shit how will DeRay McKangzSon ever recover?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Nojokur
It's an advanced stage of applied liberalism that is global and has an impact on every aspect of our lives. Social progress through bullshit semantics defining more than two genders, the growing gap between the poor and the rich, liberalism extended to our sexuality etc. All of these are purely modern changes are the product of neo-liberalism. Read de Benoist, Lasch, Michéa and Houellebecq.

Methshot
Methshot

My diary desu

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate
+ 1

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Nojokur
Is Rawls considered a neoliberal?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@New_Cliche
probably, given that his basic concern is categorically blind fairness, which he calls 'justice'. he's had a tremendous impact on just about every social science and humanities professor in the country.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Raving_Cute
Ever heard of Lady Justice?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Illusionz
yes, but her blindfold is relatively new. She is also a symbol (predominantly) of (nationwide) criminal justice; Rawls appropriated her attributes for the application of (worldwide) social justice.

He's also a shill for liberal democracy and suggests that we the enlightened sanction every backwards sovereign until they bend the knee.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@massdebater
Because capital is downstream of culture.

Capitalism being the problem is a red herring that prevents us from actually addressing the causes of mass disillusionment and lack of meaning in our lives.

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