Visualizing LotR

SniperGod
SniperGod

I'm almost finished with the Fellowship of the Ring and I realized, the movies (while I enjoy them) don't really do the best job at painting the imagery properly, but the problem is I'm having a hard time picturing what is going on in old school fantasy and lean more towards seeing it with the movies imagery due to seeing the movies first. Are there any good artists to look at to really get a good feel how middle-earth should look?

All urls found in this thread:
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Thorin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT18OJEPU9Q
Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Check Tolkien Gateway as opposed to the LOTRwiki. The former has tons of art from all different sources
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Thorin

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Crazy_Nice
Awesome, thank you. That's definitely more of what I was looking for.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Ted Nasmith

Techpill
Techpill

@VisualMaster
Fuck me some of his stuff is awesome

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

The most influential of the Middle-earth artists (not counting JRRT's own few illustrations) are Nasmith, John Howe and Alan Lee, the latter two of whom directly worked on the movies and the first of whom was a big influence on some scenes despite his lack of involvement. The other big name is the Brothers Hildebrandt, whose Tolkien-themed art I mostly dislike but who were pretty influential in shaping the perception of LotR back in their heyday (the 70s).

I'm just gonna dump some Tolkien art here for the next hour ish because hell, why not. Sorry if I fuck up any attributions.

"The Uruk-Hai", John Howe

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SniperGod
ALAN LEE

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

"Faramir and Eowyn", Mike Kaluta

askme
askme

might be concept art from the movies? no idea

Playboyize
Playboyize

"The Company Approaches Caradhras", John Howe

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

"The Balrog", Ted Nasmith

Emberburn
Emberburn

"Barad-dur", Roger Garland

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

"The Black Rider", John Howe

WebTool
WebTool

"Gaffer and the Nazgul", Stephen Hickman

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

"Bridge of Khazad-Dum", Roger Garland

DeathDog
DeathDog

"Fingolfin's Challenge to Morgoth", John Howe

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

"Cirith Ungol", Greg & Tim Hildebrandt

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

"Earendil & Elwing", Roger Garland

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

"Eowyn and the Witch-King of Angmar", Mike Kaluta

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

"Eowyn", Erin Kelso

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

"Eowyn Before the Gates of Meduseld", Mike Kaluta

King_Martha
King_Martha

"Shelob About to Leap on Frodo", John Howe

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

"Gandalf and Bilbo", Tim Kirk

happy_sad
happy_sad

"Fire on Weathertop", Ted Nasmith

takes2long
takes2long

"Hobbiton", Roger Garland

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

"Battle of the Pelennor Fields", John Howe

Can't find this one without the stupid border, alas.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

"The Sea", Ted Nasmith

Methshot
Methshot

"Gandalf Approaches the Guarded City", Ted Nasmith

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

"At the Court of the Fountain", Ted Nasmith

Emberburn
Emberburn

"War of the Ring", Judy King Rieniets

Firespawn
Firespawn

"Zirakzigil", John Howe

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

"The Road to Minas Tirith", Tim Kirk

RumChicken
RumChicken

"The Nazgul", Lode Claes

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

"At the Foot of Mount Doom", Ted Nasmith

eGremlin
eGremlin

I read LotR last when I was a child, together with my dad

I'm in the mood again, which edition should I buy?
There was something about how you should buy one printed after some date or something, right?

@Stupidasole
The images are nice thank you for posting them

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

some Alan Lee art from the one-volume LotR to wrap up, I gotta go to work. these don't have names afaik.

@eGremlin
I'd recommend the hardback complete edition with the Alan Lee paintings if you can find it, it's a really nice book. Satisfying to hold. There are also cheaper, less weighty paperback versions with the same illustrations out there. Or the 50th anniversary edition is alright too.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Dreamworx

really though just about any version published since 1994 is fine, and since 2004 is pretty much great

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Dreamworx
@Crazy_Nice
Thanks again user, I will look for it

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@SniperGod
Gollum started off very hard to imagine for me. Over the years he became the most poignant character to me. Now I view the likes of Aragorn as deeply strange, he seems deeply unrealistic with his unfailing personal strength and rightness.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Harmless_Venom

no prob, glad you enjoyed the pics!

happy_sad
happy_sad

@CouchChiller
T H I N
H
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RavySnake
RavySnake

@Boy_vs_Girl
Aragorn is indeed a really weird character. I think it gets harder to find him relatable as his character grows to a more superhuman stature throughout the story. When he starts out he is quite likable in that he is somewhat sarcastic, world-wise foil to the naïveté and relative incompetence of the hobbits, and he never totally loses that streak, but by the end he can match wills with an evil god and win, he is more like one of the mythic Fathers of Men of the Silmarillion than anyone you could sit down and smoke a pipe with. I think part of why it feels so strange is that the character's original role as the hobbits' Buddy from Bree on to Rivendell was not originally linked to the idea of the scion of Numenor, that all came later.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
Do you want to be fucked by Aragorn, user?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@CouchChiller
Aragorn is probably a really shitty lay

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RavySnake
spends a week running non stop after Merry & Pippin then fights the battle of the Hornburg
immediately challenges Sauron with the palantir after that
doesn't sleep for a week as he rushes through the paths of the dead overmastering the horror of those under his command as he arrives on the Pelennor and rescues everyone
repeatedly resists monstrous temptations of power
makes the correct moral and strategical choices at every turn
Was he a Gary-sue?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@CodeBuns
He's 87 and has never ever had sex

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

You can also find images and pictures of Germanic mythology. Professor Tolkien's expertise was in that area, and he used or was at least inspired by their ideas and way of looking at the world. Pic related is of the Fenris wolf at Ragnarok, but it could easily be Carcharoch and Beren

Evilember
Evilember

@SniperGod
what? I thought the movies did an excellent job with bringing to life the world. What exactly were they missing?

TechHater
TechHater

@Evil_kitten
Professor Tolkien

let's not

JunkTop
JunkTop

If you don't mind how pretty everyone is, Jenny Dolfen has some very good works.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Evilember
It's not so much that they are missing anything as that their interpretation of the text is limited by the artists who mainly inspired their visual approach. To wit, John Howe, Alan Lee, and (in absentia) Ted Nasmith. Not even mentioning the many substantive changes to the plot, they choose to portray scenes and characters in their own way which is fine but can distort our own imaginings about the text.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evilember
OP is not criticizing the movies, he is saying he does not like that having seen them they have taken over his imagination and he cannot picture LOTR without the movies imagery. He is robbed of the chance to create his own vision of Middle Earth.

tfw

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Nojokur
Thank god they will never try to animate the Silmarillion. Maedhros, and Feanor, and Turin will always be true to what I knew them to be.

5mileys
5mileys

@Need_TLC
Thank god they will never try to animate the Silmarillion
They won't animate it. They'll just take bits from it and make a bastardized version of it that barely resembles the source material, and they will probably call it "The Lord of The Rings: The Silmarrilion" and half the main cast will be black.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@5mileys
These sort of things are actual blessings in disguise. In the end I was deeply grateful for how bad the movie Troy was. It didn't affect my perception of The Iliad precisely because of how ludicrous Brad Pitt is as Achilles.

Inmate
Inmate

@5mileys
main cast will be black.
I can see the problem with the other things, but there's nothing wrong with that...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Methnerd
Would you kindly explain why do you think it's a bait? Your post looks more trolling than mine.

TechHater
TechHater

@Stupidasole
Because casting a fictional work to fill a quota for IRL political dogma instead of ensuring the best cast to fit the work is obviously (hence the bait) going to produce bad art.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TechHater
This is not to fill a quota, you fucking moron, it's just to give more representation. I'm not even saying that "half of the main cast" should be black, just one or two character. What exactly would that interfere in the story? It would change literally nothing.

I'm totally against people who tries to shove blackness into every protagonist/antagonist/iconic character. But there's literally nothing wrong in having one or two black characters. It's hard to believe that anyone fighting against that is not a racist.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SniperGod
I like anime

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Methnerd
Yep, bait.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@SniperGod
Tolkien himself is the only and the best source there is. Subsequent artists are all too grand for their own good. Find the copy of The art of Tolkien somewhere and you're set to go.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Evil_kitten
Some more shitty scans from the man himself.

likme
likme

@SniperGod
It's unfortunate you saw the movies first, but if you have difficulty imagining the descriptive style, how did you make it through over 1000 pages of Tolkien?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@SniperGod
read the hobbit
introduction or prologue or whatever the fuck clearly states that orcs and goblins are the same shit, and that goblins is the right term
peter hackson's hobbit has orcs and goblins as separate creatures

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperGod
Except it's not...

FastChef
FastChef

@lostmypassword
Hobbit films were huge dissapointment. In place of lighter, more magical story, you get darker and more chaotic piece.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
Also, Wyverin...

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@FastChef
The third film was pure trash. Tolkien would definitely puke if he saw that shit in the theater. Man, just remembering about all the shitty "MUH ACTION, MUH FIGHTS" they created out of nowhere to appeal to the teenage/manchild audience is terrible...

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Stupidasole
@Stark_Naked
@Nude_Bikergirl
Best girl

Evilember
Evilember

@takes2long
giv new zeal and citizenship

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SniperWish
Indeed she is, my dear user.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@WebTool
That hobbit kinda looks like a dwarf

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@VisualMaster

Must be pure stylistic choice by the artist, since hobbits unequivocally have no beards.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@eGremlin
I read them without ilustrations and ejoyed the shit out of it. So i think it doesnt matter, just start from the hobbit.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Melkor when he could tower over everything on the planet

Soft_member
Soft_member

I tend to picture the setting as similar to a John Bauer painting.

takes2long
takes2long

@Soft_member
Kittelsen as well.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I remember seeing LOTR illustrations by a Russian artist a long time ago, anyone know who this is? This thread reminded me.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Deadlyinx
There was a Russian edition a number of years ago illustrated by Sergei Yukhimov in a style inspired by medieval art and icon painting. Very striking stuff.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Flameblow

I will post a couple more since have found a good dump of them.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat

First two should have been pretty obvious, this is Merry & Pippin & Grishnakh I assume

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@LuckyDusty
Weathertop

eGremlin
eGremlin

@ZeroReborn
The scene in the barrow. I always think this is one of the most strikingly creepy and evocative scenes in the book, I've never understood why more artists haven't tackled it

JunkTop
JunkTop

@eGremlin
Farewell to Lorien

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@JunkTop
Theoden et al arriving at Isengard

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@CodeBuns
Strider

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@GoogleCat
Parley at the Black Gate. I like the Mouth's uh, "horse"

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@SniperGod
I've always been partial to the brothers Hildebrandt. Very golden age of illustration/old school /tg/ feel to it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fuzzy_Logic
The Morgul host

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Nojokur
council of Elrond

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spazyfool
Coronation of Elfstone

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Stark_Naked
shirriff fuckin shits!!

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nude_Bikergirl
THEODEN•REX•INTERFECTUS•EST

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Crazy_Nice
Battle of the peak

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Lord_Tryzalot
March of the (highly alarming) ents

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@King_Martha
the way home

5mileys
5mileys

@Evil_kitten
dead marshes

takes2long
takes2long

@5mileys
elves in the Woody End

massdebater
massdebater

@Methnerd
This is not to fill a quota, you fucking moron, it's just to fill a quota
Even by Veeky Forums standards this is a low point in trolling.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@takes2long
Henneth Annun

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
Paths of the Dead, I think? Guy in the back looks like the Morgul-lord, but he is about to shank Gimli, so...

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methshot
Frodo's torment in Cirith Ungol

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TreeEater
Torech Ungol

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Carnalpleasure

Eowyn & the Witch-king of Angmar

Evilember
Evilember

These russian illustrations are great, thanks for posting them.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Snarelure
Really enjoyed these

TechHater
TechHater

Cheers for the dump man. Wish I could find better quality versions of these, has anyone else had more luck?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TechHater

Apparently you can pick up a used copy of the book on Amazon for like eighty bucks, maybe someone should buy it and scan

likme
likme

@Nojokur
That's his fault. I can still picture both movie and art pieces whenever I think back to them.

Bidwell
Bidwell

So is there anything you would change about the story if you were in charge of adapting it?
The only thing I'd change is Gothmog would survive the fall into the fountain with Ecthelion and pursue the elves, and be the balrog Glorfindel fights.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Bidwell

I'd finish the fucking Sil. The entire climax of the story is essentially unedited since like 1918! Tollers kept rehashing the start but never had time to go all the way through it. He started on a proper updated treatment of the Fall of Gondolin with the Tuor story from Unfinished Tales (which owns btw) but never got far. He never did an updated version of the Ruin of Doriath so the whole episode of the Nauglamir was kludged together by Chris Tolkien and Guy Kay to try and make it work disregarding the fact that in the intervening years since the story was written, Tolkien had decided that dwarves weren't innately evil. He straight up never even tried to rewrite the fucking Tale of Earendil which explains why there wasn't a giant primordial Spider of Night menacing the whole world forever, who the Sleeper in the Tower of Pearl was, or whether the problem with the Magic Sun ever got fixed. He never really did a modern retake on the War of Wrath and end of the First Age either, that's kludged together to so some random Maia who's Manwe's "herald" winds up doing everything when it was originally his fucking son and heir.

He also never found a really effective way of harmonizing the LotR portrayals of the senior Noldorin figures like Elrond, Galadriel, and Gil-galad with the first age myths. Witness all the wrangling over whose son Gil-galad was.

Instead he spent the last years of his life trying to rehash the entire mythos AGAIN to find a way in which the universe could be accurately portrayed as non-geocentric without ruining everything.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Stupidasole

This is top notch. Leonardo-like background blended with influence from those famous "Wagner's Ring" engravings

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@kizzmybutt
Kaluta did a Tolkien calendar at some point, which I think that's from

iluvmen
iluvmen

How do you guys visualize Melkor/Morgoth? When I think of Morgoth I actually picture the gargoyles from Minas Morgul. I don't think Morgoth would take on the form of a human/elf looking creature as he despises them. Instead he'd become something monstrous and powerful but over time as his powers withered so would his body, eventually ending up looking like this decrepit old balrog thing

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@iluvmen
Melkor is an allegory to Lucifer, so I just think of the Devil really.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@iluvmen
Tolkien describes him as taking on a humanoid form, a giant and terrible king.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@LuckyDusty
Well it is humanoid. Just has a gnarly fucked up face.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@iluvmen
I don't think Morgoth is supposed to be so much ugly as awful, terrifying. Tolkien doesn't generally shy from a chance to describe the ugliness of evil things! But the way he describes Morgoth tends to highlight his darkness, his immensity, his dominating character, his moral ugliness rather than any physically repulsive characteristic -- even though it is right there in the text that his face was marred by Thorondor and his foot lanes by Fingolfin. I think of him as something like a gigantic man or elf (I imagine all the Ainur to take a shape like that, I don't like the bestial kind of image of Balrogs that seems to be common among fans), all pitch black, armored for battle, maybe literally a figure of black metal.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@King_Martha
Seems to me like the best way to capture the proportions of a hobbit would be to have children play them, and then use movie magic on the faces.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@SniperGod
Check out the 1978 LOTR animated film by Ralph Bakshi. A bit dated but gives a good feel for the books considering the technology of the time. He never made a part 3 though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT18OJEPU9Q

viagrandad
viagrandad

@eGremlin
it's my favorite moment

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Evil_kitten
That is totally Insanity Wolf.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat
KILL THE GODS
[fenris.jpg]
FEED THE WORLD TO A WORM

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@viagrandad
Cold be hand and heart and bone,
and cold be sleep under stone:
never more to wake on stony bed,
never, till the Sun fails and the Moon is dead.
it was vivid and spooky

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@VisualMaster
So spooky that Hackson couldn't resist stealing it and jamming it into completely irrelevant context

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Amazing thread

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Inmate

Because nobody in Beleriand was black. Not the Edain or the Elves. It would be a gross misunderstanding of Tolkien to make them black

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evil_kitten
90% sure this picture is traced from a panel from Fables comic.

askme
askme

@iluvmen
Like Judge fear

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@DeathDog
Fingolfin is the best character in the mythos.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PackManBrainlure
Fingolfin is that guy who spams chat with "1V1 ME BICTH" whenever his team loses

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Noldofinwë? More like half-Noldofinwë.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@PackManBrainlure

Silmarils Ain't free. The trees of silver and gold gotta be litterd with the blood of Teleri. Aracáno aka "Fin Golfin" is not my hihg king. he is puppet of the gods and probably vanya as well :DD. ÞERINDË and Þilmarilli not Serindë and SILMARILS ok. curse morgoth.

likme
likme

@Skullbone
How do you know there wasn't a single black amonsgt them? Where is it specified that every single one of them were white?

What would change exactly in the story, the characters development, the plot-twist etc if one or two characters were black? I just don't understand...

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Skullbone
taking the bait
moron

@PackManBrainlure
He's a usurper.

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