Why do so many young left-wingers miss the point of this book? They seem to not...

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Why do so many young left-wingers miss the point of this book? They seem to not realise that it is about the left. Indeed, they believe the exact opposite.

Have they just not read it?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@LuckyDusty
Have they just not read it?
read it
reddit
woah

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty

they are all low in intelligence. how could they not be? they're leftists, they deserve their slavery

TechHater
TechHater

1984 was political

Hello brainlet

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TechHater
It's about a dystopian socio-political landscape. Have you read it?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TechHater
pages and pages of how the English Socialist Party hated the capitalists
how they stole capitalist buildings and inventions, claiming that the Party made those things

Hello lefty.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@LuckyDusty
It was a critique of the USSR's authoritarian regime, not "the left" boogeyman. Orwell himself was a leftist, you know.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Skullbone
Orwell was a leftist.

Of course. I have read most of his works. That doesn't mean he can't critique the left when they're being absurd.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@LuckyDusty
I remember the book criticized nationalism, torture, extreme surveillance, and the police state.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Excuse me, i think you will find BNW is more relevant to current society

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TurtleCat
Also:
The importance of Linguistics
The failure of wealth distribution
The failure of state owned provisions
The danger of state owned media
The danger of an indoctrination of the youth.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@eGremlin
I only read it once, some years ago.

Is the main concept that people make themselves compliant with drugs and casual sex?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StrangeWizard
Seems like a healthy mixture of left and right.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@LuckyDusty
It isn't either about the left or the right, he had fascism in mind when he wrote it.
Regardless, it is applicable to both the left and the right.

girlDog
girlDog

@LuckyDusty
because we're not. Orwell is a leftist. Read Homage to Catalonia.

/pol/ btfo

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@LuckyDusty
I see mostly right wingers missing the point these days tbqhfamalarm.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@girlDog
Orwell was a leftist
This means he couldn't criticise leftism

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@LuckyDusty

No, it's about fascism, which is conventionally categorized as the right, even though people like Goldberg make a case for categorizing it as a form of socialism. Brave New World is the leftist dystopia.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Sharpcharm
yeah lefties criticized the soviet union all the time. read emma goldman. point is nobody is missing the point of that book from orwell. it's about dictatorship, thats it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Skullbone
If you read his books in the order they were written, you can perfectly see Orwell slowly becomes less leftist until he simply is not one.

WebTool
WebTool

@SniperGod
lol no

show me the quote where he says: "you know what FUCK Catalonia and everything it stood for!"

Firespawn
Firespawn

@WebTool
He's not an edgy teen revolting against what he stood for, user. It's closer to a feeling of dread and acceptance of delusion in my opinion.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@LuckyDusty
Brave New World is the leftist dystopia
ayy

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@haveahappyday
tbqhfamalarm
What?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Lord_Tryzalot
*tbqhwymf

farquit
farquit

To be honest I just felt more like... Orwell was trying to state that no matter how much one tries, or believes has control, in the end, the "higher ones" have the power. Even when they don't, they win.

Maybe my impression of it was depressing, but I believe ud from the middle-class have really nearly no power.

In a sense I remember he stated that the masses, would have an amazing power if they were to join, but they never will, due to their stupidity, and lack of will.

We want to be stupid, sedated. We want to be followers. And even tho you are not like that kind of people, there's not much you can do about those.
We humans are boring.

The only way to do something is having power.
And the only way to have power is going on top of the masses, stepping on them like trash.
And when the time you have power comes, you'll realize you're no different that the ones at the top of the hill.
That's all, no way out.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Firespawn
If he didn't, it means he never stopped being a leftist.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@LuckyDusty
It's about the left AND the right, you retard. Orwell was a socialist, and he hated big states.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@farquit
There was a lot of stuff in the book that just isn't true in modern society. We don't actually have Newspeak, we don't have thought police, we all have plenty of food, and we are not nearly as limited in the information we can access.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Methnerd
Don't misunderstand me, I know we have all that.
A great percentage of people has internet, tho...
How many people do you see actually looking for the real information and not believing something they saw in facebook?

The information is there, we just don't want to know.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater
you know whats up

SniperGod
SniperGod

Reminder Orwell would have voted Trump.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Methnerd
we don't have NewSpeak
What are Emojis?

No thought-police
People are forever policing their own thoughts

askme
askme

But the book isn't about the left. The book is a warning against totalitarian regimes. Orwell himself was a democratic socialist and wanted individuals to have the freedom to choose how they are effectively governed. He despised communism (USSR) as it effectively imposes tyranny on its subjects.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Illusionz
U R LIVING IN A DICTATORSHIP RITE NAO
I'd like to hear you speak out loud in Emoji.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@LuckyDusty
Because the whole subject of "Big Brother" has already been beaten into the heads of so many people (reminder that this was, at one point, basically standard high school reading material, not sure if it still is or not (also worth noting that the education system has been run by communists since the 60s)) that to point anything else out seems (to the average idiot) like digging for gold in the middle of a jungle. What people fail to realize is that (as has been mentioned numerous times ITT already) the point of the book is dystopia through a lens of ease of control (tyranny) by means of controlled speech and thought, and then you apply it to the modern day:
Hate speech
PC speech
Common Core Education
all of which were/are preached, demanded, and championed by leftists. But again, most people fell for the "muh big government spying on you" meme that to point out anything that goes against that narrative is regarded as blasphemous by people who like to pretend that they're woke (especially now with Trump in office), almost like their thoughts were shaped for them.

Fuck leftists.

Methnerd
Methnerd

bump

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@LuckyDusty
Overwhelmingly more people claim to have read 1984 than have actually read it.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Methnerd
we all have plenty of food

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The book isn't against the left, but I still feel like some passages were pretty damning to the left. In particular, the passages about how there were "evil capitalists" in the past and the party kept telling tales of how awful they were, and that they were now free from them. Orwell clearly was uncomfortable with radical-leftists who wanted to blame capitalists for all of society's problems and was worried their solution was authoritarian.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Evil_kitten
This has to be bait

happy_sad
happy_sad

adult swim

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Carnalpleasure
it's a criticism toward the Soviets and he is right. he was in Catalonia he saw real comfy socialism/syndicalism. The Soviets had a clusterfuck of authoritarianism. Took down a Monarchy rightly so to install another one, the only good thing Tankies did was kill Hitler.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@SniperGod
He wouldn't have voted.
1. Orwell is English
2. He is referring to liberalism as the constitutional state, classical liberalism in the same manner Nietzsche and Max Stirner do
3. He would dislike the modern kind more through due to it's extreme Capitalistic nature

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@LuckyDusty
Why do so many young left-wingers miss the point of this book? They seem to not realise that it is about the left. Indeed, they believe the exact opposite.
They
dont exist. You have an opinion, you dont like the left, so you made up a question that to tell everyone that the people you dont like are stupid so everyone knows you arent stupid. Grow up.

Techpill
Techpill

@LuckyDusty

they are block heads

Methshot
Methshot

Please help /lit/thread/10141031#p10141031

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Deadlyinx
yeah
I have seen it before through

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@LuckyDusty
honestly I just don't like how it beats you over the head with everything, and then people have the gall to suggest it could literally happen
no it can't literally happen, even Soviet Russia had forces in it that kept this exact thing from happening, not to mention a lack of surveillance, and the modern preponderance of surveillance is hampered by the lack of secret police, and the secret police that do exist have certain rights they can't overstep especially for citizens and never without a (secret) warrant and judge behind them
if nothing else, no one could get away with copying it directly precisely because it's already been laid out
also there's no particular reason to brainwash and release the main character when they could just interrogate him and kill him, I mean some people like that, sure, that sets fear going, but this guy was a nobody
fuck, I could go on like that for a lot of things that are less important in the book

FastChef
FastChef

@Evil_kitten
the difference is that (at least in America) 9 times out of 10 no one has any power to enforce shit like hate speech

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CouchChiller
keep in mind OP hasn't really read the book

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CouchChiller
Quick, post this to /r/woahdude.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@LuckyDusty
it's about totalitarianism and ideological possession, leftist AND rightist. the people who truly miss the point are those on either side that believe the book is about the other one

idontknow
idontknow

@TreeEater
@girlDog
Death of the author

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Fried_Sushi
knowing about whatever that is
vacate the premises

SniperWish
SniperWish

Tankies write him off as a revisionist while the majority of lefties with a brain understand the problem of totalitarianism. They don't need Owrell to illustrate it for them. Good read though, if you like thinly veiled jabs at Stalin.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@LuckyDusty
its about totalitarianism - left or right
stop making everything a partisan issue you fucking retards

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@SniperGod

Orwell stopped being a pseudo-Stalinist so that means he stopped being left wing altogether

'No'

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@idontknow
??
Orwell wrote a detailed, autobiographical account of the portion of his life he spent fighting fascists in spain, and you think that the autobiography he wrote should be considered outside of the context of his life?

5mileys
5mileys

@lostmypassword
Did he miss the labour camps in Catalonia? Or did he think that the fascists were just having a post-war picnic there?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@LuckyDusty
muh false left right dichomoty

How anyone can be this fucking dense still is beyond me.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@LuckyDusty
Orwell was just a bad novellist, this book sorta sucks, but least effort, so normies flock to it leading to more normie discussion over it.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@idontknow
here, allow me to cite this (((well established consensus))) to support my position
Nigga, I don't think you even read the essay, or else you would know that death of the author as described by barthes doesn't even apply to all texts, but only those written with the explicit intent of allowing language itself to speak, which for the most part applies to poetry and certainly not to this kind of carefully crafted political message delivered through the vehicle of a story.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
You should read the old man and the sea, that's another random good book.

Also, FUCK you.

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