How many syllables does "fire" have?

How many syllables does "fire" have?

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One. Learn to use a dictionary.

it's a tripthong; one syllable

>trip
dip

Two if you don't say it like a retard

Fi-ure

Two.

Not how syllables work. As the earlier user said, the vowel is a triphthong.

Dip

Smart

Dum-dum with a degree

No, it's a triphthong [aJə]

ai is one vowel

Should be fiur though.

I'm from michigan; two

[ai] is a diphthong. [a] and [i] are two vowels and when glided together they make the diphthong [ai]. You don't understand what diphthong means.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong

What did she mean by this?

I think you are confusing diphthong with digraph. A digraph is when two letters represent one sound. A diphthong is when two vowel *sounds* are glided together. They can be written with one letter like the English "i". The issue is the sound and not the letters.

>tfw you're too hot and intimidate everyone

I can imagine some fat dude now mumbling to himself "y-yeah... that's why I don't get laid..."

>basically saying faaaar like you're some kind of 1800s American slave

A better question would be to ask about words like 'flour' which can be one or two syllables.

The last part of the triphthong is a rhotic vowel. It sounds like "faiuhr" but it is one syllable because the vowels glide together.

Dumdums

It's technically two, same for fuel and duel, but certain accents pronounce them as one syllable. Officially if you're using those words in poetry, you should note they're number of syllables or else assume them as two.

You would never say flower is one syllable

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Flower can only be two syllables while flour can be one or two. Check a dictionary if you don't believe me.

I did not read this post and I hope nobody else will either

I read it. I thought it was alright. I didn't laugh out loud but I thought it was funny.

Sure because a double-u isn't technically a vowel though it almost exclusively precedes one. It's because it's a watered down version of -our- to help set the pronunciation in stone. Meaning 'technically' flour 'should' be pronounced with two syllables, but given its spelling it accepts the accent of one syllable pronunciation. I understand what the dictionary says, but really think about how flower is not ever one syllable though nothing stops one from pronouncing it with one, just as flour. 'Fluer'. It's the disconnect of modern to past English.

I thought I explained this before.

this:
say fire, then say higher. note the difference

>they are number of syllables

>not being number of syllables

thanks for the (you)

make sure you proofread all your text messages to assure peak grammar and diction senpai

>flour can be one symbol
FLAAAAAAAR

>tripthong
>two vowels

ok

I'm from Michigan too. My elementary school had me go to a speech specialist to correct to say I said fire.

A diphthong (or triphthong) has no relation to the number of letters that are present. It concerns only the vowel *sounds* that are spoken. As such, the English long "i" contains the vowel sounds [a] and [i], which are glided together, thus forming a diphthong that is written as one letter, "i". Likewise the English long "a" is a gliding together of the vowels [e] and [i]. A diphthong can be expressed with two letters of course, such as in "coin" ([o] and [i]), but like I said, the number of letters is besides the point. You simply don't understand what a diphthong is.

2---Fie-uhr

Wrong.

wow some words have more than one pronounciation!

in American English, all triphthongs are two syllables because of the intrusive consonant. in the case of "fire", the intrusive consonant is the "y" sound we put between fi and re. so it's fi-yurr, hence, two syllables. why is this a thread.

There's no extra consonant sound in "fire". The IPA is here . It's three vowel sounds. Pay closer attention to what you're actually doing when you pronounce it.

aren't all intrusive consonants not actually a part of the word and only used to aid pronunciation? i know it's three vowel sounds -- that's why i said it was a triphthong.

Try consciously putting the "y" sound into it. Try saying it consciously "fai-yur" and then saying it how you normally say it. You should notice there's a difference.

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Wrong

It rhymes with higher and shier, each of which has two. Practically, two. Otherwise, wtfc?

"Fire" vs "fy her" dude. This shit ain't complex. Most people get it without any sort of distress. Maybe you're autistic?

It's one syllable.
The vowel is dypthongized which means your tongue changes position while you are pronouncing the vowel however since no new consonent is introduced it is the same syllable

also the e at the end is silent lol

who is this fiery fiend

It's not fy her, it's fy-er,or fy-'er. And you're right, it's not complex, it obviously two syllables if your accent isn't retarded

youtube.com/watch?v=P_dsjmyze2U

1) 'Higher' has two syllables.
2) I say 'fire' in the exact same way I say 'higher', excluding the first consonant.
Conclusion - in my accent, fire has two syllables.

That's a small boy user.

the queen says 'faar', the scraggily old bitch

Does she really? I'd think with her accent she'd say fie-er.

two. youtube.com/watch?v=rLftjtN9Hpk

even brits have it bisyllabic

youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw

There's no difference

Hi-er
Fi-er

Hi'yer
Fiar

Hi'yer
Fi'yer

Hi'r
Fi'r

Hire
Fir e

Fur
Fury

Fir (tree)
Fir-e

werd

Fucking hell, will any of you retards learn the phonetic alphabet already. This whole thread is a shitshow.

pair

pear

fair

fare

lyre

pyre

pie

phi

phi er

phi'r

phi-r

fi

fi er

fier

fire

nah posh english people say faar

that's 2, trip is 3 - some dialects probably use 2 though

>ITT brainlets thinking random arbitrary symbols are the actual sounds that they're making
This is meant to be a Veeky Forumserature board, why are you not at least briefly acquainted with the very fundamentals of fundamentals of how language works? At least learn what fucking vowels and syllables are

Holy shit, I thought this board was smart. Most retarded thread on Veeky Forums atm, maybe on the whole of Veeky Forums.

>doesn't simply provide the answer

Others have already done so, and the retards tried to refute them (with nothing except their ignorance, of course). I was expressing my incredulity at the uncultured brainlets that appear to comprise this board.

In my accent, two

This is either bait or else the dumbest thing I've ever read

For any of you saying 'in my accent it's two' or 'the way I say it is two': literally just say Pale Fire aloud and not in your head. If you say fire alone and in your head or even under your breath you're putting extra emphasis on the word than you normally would

this whole thread just shows how stupid english is

How? Because a word can be one or two syllables depending on accent? That's fairly standard procedure.

But that's not the case for fire. Just as its not really the case for flour either. As I said earlier that really only occurs with words like fuel and duel where they should be pronounced as jewel but easily take on a one syllable accent:
Few'el
Fewl

Dew'el
Dewl

Flah'wer (flower)
Flhour (flour)

Hi'yer
Fiar

Three

>Flah'wer (flower)
Who decided against Flow er and why?

Two. Fi-reee

Twelve.
First is the cold, that spreads in your lungs.
Second is the desire, rising.
Third is the gathering of logs and sticks and twine.
Fourth is the building to burn.
Fifth is a spark.
Sixth a breath.
Seventh comes the lick of the first flame dancing in the dark.
Eight is the pride in your eyes and the heat on your skin.
Ninth is the smoke that waters your eyes, cause you to curse what you love.
Tenth is the dying light on tired eyes.
Eleventh is the cinders glowing.
Twelfth is the ashes, given to the wind.
Fire has twelve syllables.

No, posh English people enunciate the most clearly and say fi yer

Three. Or two.
Fi-yer-er, fi-yer on the mountain.

One. Fyr.

Press your hand under your chin and say the word. Every time your hand goes down when you speak it, that's one syllable.

Why so many replies
It's two
Fye-Ur

Fucking brainlets talking about phonology when both sides know shit all

>saying fy-RAY

I agree with your point, but the way you write sounds like you're trying to sound smart and it makes me cringe

TWO

vocaroo.com

Someone record themselves saying Fire, how its supposed to be said

There's no point. Some people in this thread simply don't understand what they're talking about and are misinterpreting a triphthong as two separate syllables. Some of them don't even understand the difference between a phoneme and a letter.

Are there any 'controversial' syllable words, where the subtly of these 'mouthy movement' rules are questionable?

So Fire should be pronounced as Fur, Fir (tree) (is one syllable), but just with the eye = i sound.


Fur

Fir

F eye r

The vowel sound in "fire" is a combination of the three vowel sounds you can see in this picture: (Veeky Forums won't render the IPA symbols properly). The symbols correspond to the sounds produced depending upon the position of your tongue (see my picture). The three vowel sounds are glided together to form a triphthong, which a combination of three sounds.

you guys are genuinely autistic. I can't believe this thread got so many fucking replies. I can't imagine what you faggots look like irl

better example I thought of:

Iron.

Is Iron 1 syllable?

Firon

Are there any 'controversial' syllable words? Where it is actually up for debate?

Iron is two syllables. The [ə] does not glide into the "i" diphthong. If you tried to pronounce it as a triphthong it would sound strange.

There was some discussion about things like flower/flour earlier in the thread.

>I can't imagine what you faggots look like irl
I look like a fat loser probably.

Anyone confused about this issue should learn to utilize the International Phonetic Alphabet. It will help you systematize and clearly understand the sounds used in language. Try to use a dictionary that has IPA available if you can. Most American ones unfortunately don't.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet