Just finished the first part of this and all I can say is

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Just finished the first part of this and all I can say is:

FUCKING EMBARRASSING.

All urls found in this thread:
https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/overview-undergrad
https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/courses-overview
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/kant,_immanuel.html
Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@PurpleCharger
We know, now tell us about the book

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@PurpleCharger

What did you like best about it?
There is good in everything.

likme
likme

@Garbage Can Lid
Im not sure if i liked anything about it.

T. Started phil w/ Hegel.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@likme
T. Started phil w/ Hegel
why?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Need_TLC
Because I liked his ideas (read lit threads, wiki and sep) and he was very influential to 20th century.

cum2soon
cum2soon

i liked it
i didn't like it
signs of arrested intellectually development
only capable of analyses in terms of hedonic intensities
or
omphaloskepsis
as if inducing a pleasurable reaction in your perineal plexus was the object of these men
philosophy as soft pedarasty across time

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Boy_vs_Girl
influential to the 20th century
this is a good thing?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@cum2soon
arrested [intellectually] development
reddit

Techpill
Techpill

@hairygrape
Where did I say that

Firespawn
Firespawn

Did his philosophical project strike you as radical? If not, you may not have penetrated the surface layer of his thinking.

Kant’s teaching so fundamentally alters every mind that has grasped it, that it can be considered an intellectual rebirth.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Firespawn
It striked me as debunked by 19th, 20th and 21st Century science and was annoying to read, especially the parts about time, space.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@whereismyname
It striked me as debunked by 19th, 20th and 21st Century science

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Nude_Bikergirl
go read the aricle 1 about space

This is retard tier shit senpai

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
It striked me as debunked by 19th, 20th and 21st Century science

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Deadlyinx
more like phone-posting
showing u how much i care
one auto-correct at a time

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Booteefool
debuking philosophy
with science

This is some Lawrence Krauss level shit user

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@viagrandad
Dude I don't think you opened this book at all. Why are you looking for excuses to not apply yourself?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Techpill
well you said you liked his ideas

Snarelure
Snarelure

@likme
Starting with Hegel
Reading him without Kant
@hairygrape
Kekekek

Evilember
Evilember

@Poker_Star
nah
we tight af

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evilember
if I show a picture with books it means I read them

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@likme
T. Started phil w/ Hegel.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Booteefool
If you're getting all your information on science from "articles" I can guarantee you don't know as much as you think you do

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Snarelure
Eh Hegel guided me easily over my lack of knowledge of Kant. Cant say I missed anything so far. Maybe hia retarded ethics will give me a good laugh to wash this garbage taste.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TalkBomber
u right i just bought 'em to impress u
u c right thru me
towel thrown in

happy_sad
happy_sad

How would you make a person blind from birth draw a dot or straight line between dots without first giving her the experience idk how they are supposed to be a priori at all tfw brainlet

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@whereismyname
Cant say I missed anything so far.
Right...
Honestly though if you're reading them for recreation you need to do it chronologically. Without Scholasticism Descartes seems trivial, without Descartes and the subsequent empiricst-rationalist break with the onset of mechanist explanation and materialism you won't get why Kant was so important, or why he did what he did, and without Kant and maybe even Fichte you can't appreciate Hegel's viscous abstractions about subject-object unity and absolute. You can certainly understand them, but you aren't in this to become a Kantian, it's an interest, and without the context and progression it becomes a lot less interesting and meaningful

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@whereismyname
Hegels reading of kant is often hailed as garbage

iluvmen
iluvmen

We know substance in space only through forces that are effacious in it, whether drawing of others to it (attraction) or in preventing penetration of it (repulsion); we are not acquainted with other properties constituting the concept of the substance that appears in space and which we call matter.

Kant throws out mindblowers without even trying. Genuinely feel sorry for you if you're not keen enough to recognize it

hairygrape
hairygrape

@happy_sad
Blind people have a concept of space you idiot. How the fuck do you think brail works

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Dreamworx
Show me one top uni course that is not history of phil and starts with the greeks mem.

And I know all if that because wiki and SEP exist.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@iluvmen
Literally and I mean literally wouldnt impress a sixth grader. I'm sorry for you if you feel that is mind bending, wait until you get to modern physics.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Evil_kitten
Literally every philosophy degree on Earth begins with Socrates my man

Firespawn
Firespawn

@hairygrape
You're done talking now

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@PackManBrainlure
I dont see course link.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evil_kitten
Not even sure how that relates to the benefits I was trying to tell you, try and read the post again.
Also, you read the Greeks for the Greeks, like everyone else in Western tradition you complete fucking plebs. It's not some prerequisite pill you must swallow in order to understand latter 20th century literature like some newfags assume

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BlogWobbles
Go back to wherever you came from you insufferable twat

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BlogWobbles
https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/overview-undergrad

Required courses:
History of ancient, medieval, or modern pre-20th-century philosophy.

Took one google search retard

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Supergrass
Lol ancients is 4th and 1,2,3.come before it. Good jib refuting yourself retard.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Booteefool
The numbers don't represent priority, you study more than one module at a time. Did you even go to college?
I'm done replying to you regardless

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Supergrass
numbers dint represent priority

Your one job was showing me top tier uni that starts with the greeks

Thus is your second post refuting yourself, no priority to greejs

Evilember
Evilember

@Gigastrength
@Soft_member
Oops hehe

Good nite user

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Gigastrength
You're stupider than you know, and I don't mind, just use a trip so I can filter whatever underage ignorant bullshit you might post elsewhere.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@SniperWish
U sound nad.

1 top tier uni that starts with the Greeks meme, come on buddy we can do it right?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Firespawn
have you touched an intro-to-physics textbook in your life

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Einstein's theory of relativity overwrites anything Kant wrote about time and space. Sad!

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PurpleCharger
Letterkenny? In my Veeky Forums? Never did I dream the day would come.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@whereismyname
@Booteefool
@Evilember
@happy_sad
You clearly havent understood the book at all. Holy shit you are fuckign dumb. Im not actually sure you've read it at all. Seriously. Just read 10 pages a day and make sure you understand what hes saying. Also, some of it might strike you as dumb or wrong (some of it is "wrong"), but try to understand it within the context of western philosophy, as kant and the people who came after him most certainly were better philosophers than you. Like, man, if your everyday life isnt painful as fuck i better drink some lead.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@PackManBrainlure
if you unironically think that you don't understand either

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BunnyJinx
https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/courses-overview
PHIL 7: Ancient Greek Philosophy
"An historical introduction to ethics, from the Greeks to, roughly, now. We begin with the concept of virtue in Homer and trace its development through Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics and Aquinas. In the modern period we look, in a somewhat skeptical spirit, at the rise of the 'moral' as a supposedly sui generis category of reasons, traits, obligations etc, as this is found in Hume, Kant, Mill and others.

Or.
PHIL 34: Existentialism in Literature and Film
"In this course, we will study some of the major thinkers and movements in the philosophy of the ancient Greek world: the Presocratics, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Epicureanism, Stoicism, and Skepticism. These thinkers spent a lot of energy on some rather odd questions (for example, ‘Is there more than one thing?’ and ‘Why doesn’t the ground fall?’). But they also introduced many of the enduring, guiding questions of philosophy, such as: What is it to know or understand something, and have we ever succeeded in doing it? What exists at the most fundamental level (if anything)? What should be our highest aim in life? Should we fear death?"

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PackManBrainlure
@cum2soon
and what we today know of gravitation blows the fuck away from Kant's understanding of time and space.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Supergrass
try to understand it within the context of western philosophy,
I unironically do not give a rat's fucking ass about outdated debunked shown to be wrong notions aout time and space, he got it wrong and it deserves no respect.

@Methnerd
PHIL 7
1,2,3,4,5 & 6 come before 7. Doesn't start with the Greeks meme.

Come on dude. 1 university which makes you start with the greeks with them as clear priority.
protip: you wont find.
well maybe you find some shithole retard university from Greece that does this

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PurpleCharger
great review, I'd love to hear your views on other stuff too

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@whereismyname
"try to understand it within the context of western philosophy"
being this fucking retarded

Are you legit a fucking moron? Why are you even read philosophy? Why are you even readying ANYTHING AT ALL except modern research papers?

The point is that understanding what kant tried to do, regardless of how correct you think it is, is required to understand most, if not all, philosophy coming after. The fact that you read Phenomenology of Spirit and thought you "understood it" is fuckign laughable and shows you have the maturity of a 9-year old, and the fact that you read it without having read kant is so idiotic its not even funny.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@lostmypassword
@lostmypassword
The fact that you read Phenomenology of Spirit and thought you "understood it" is fuckign laughable.
Did and did. I've read plenty of secondary literature about Hegel too, he just interests me.
and shows you have the maturity of a 9-year old
xlompf BTFO
and the fact that you read it without having read kant is so idiotic its not even funny.
Is Kierkegaard funny? He didn't give a fucking shit about Kant. Though he did say he would've fancied a start with Descartes.
he was this and this influential
not even the part that is annoying me, it's just how every notion of time and space is wrong on the level that a junior high person would have hard time reading the first book

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BlogWobbles
@lostmypassword
Oh and even Hegel himself btfo the notion of 'starting chronologically by starting with the Greeks'.

Just drown yourself waste of cum

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BlogWobbles
Can you explain exactly what you think is wrong with his notion of time or space?
@VisualMaster
Please define hegels "spirit" and ill listen to how hegels btfos.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CodeBuns
please write a fucking essay on Veeky Forums
im leaving in 4 minutes to finish this garbage book maybe tomorrow when i'm done wiith it

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Ignoramus
if you dont see my point you're a brainlet

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Stark_Naked
im sorry for being rude
nn g2g

askme
askme

@PackManBrainlure
Not true. See Cassirer's book on Einstein which addresses precisely this issue.

Kant was talking about time and space as purely formal idealities. Einstein was talking about time and space as physical realities.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Stop bumping this idiot

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@likme
Started phil w/ Hegel

eGremlin
eGremlin

Starting with the Greeks isn't about learning "real" metaphysics you complete fucking moron, the first step is usually the Iliad, and Plato's dialogues are open ended catalysts for ethical and personal reflection. These are humanities, you learn about the human experience for recreation and to better your own, that's Paideia. Studying the Greeks actually changed my life for the better, but you seem to young, or stupid for it.
And thinking you understood Hegel's PhoS must be bait right? You claim to be interested in and understand Hegel but then bash Kant... by vaguely alluding to physics! That doesn't make a difference, you'd know that if you understood either.
Philosophy isn't for you yet, really.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What's wrong with starting philosophy with Hegel ?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@StrangeWizard
Hegel and almost all philosophy don't exist in a vacuum.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@StrangeWizard
The irony of this is Hegel's PhoS in theory is self contained, he references other philosophies by briefly describing them. It's an incredibly difficult text, and honestly a meme, but it is fun to understand. He's more of a precise prophet or mystic of abstractions, the language is so dense and specified it feels like jumping into another viscous world of concepts. A lot of the fun is seeing him "complete" Transcendental Idealism, which reconciled Empiricism anfdRationalism. Really the main point is why would you want to start with Hegel? If you think you're into his ideas, start with Parmenides and Heraclitus because they use a lot of his ideas, then read Hegel's lecture notes on them.

Evilember
Evilember

@Sharpcharm
Oops, lot of errors and grammar mishaps in that post

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Sharpcharm
I'm more interested in seeing how the author develops his ideas, than the ideas themselves. I was just curious if there was some required reading in order to understand the PhoS.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Sharpcharm
Really the main point is why would you want to start with Hegel? If you think you're into his ideas, start with Parmenides and Heraclitus because they use a lot of his ideas

you will never live in a world where ancient philosophers time travel and read philosophers from the future

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@PurpleCharger
just finished the first part of a philosophical system and I cannot come to a conclusion.

Come on, user.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@StrangeWizard
Nothing. He like Descartes creares very much his own system and is very easy to approach since you can read his lectures and stary with history of philosophy.

Its just autotictac meme that you need to start with greejs, if youve passed first grade in euro or american school youve already contained them

Inmate
Inmate

@PurpleCharger
Is that book readable?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Inmate
the mueller translation is

WebTool
WebTool

@Stupidasole
See
@Evilember
Hopefully you got the post cheeky little cunt, it's sound advice and one you wouldn't think twice of if you learned about them

Illusionz
Illusionz

@likme
Started phil w/ Hegel

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Illusionz
I really loved his lectures, what can I say

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@GoogleCat
We know a lot about how gravity works, but we don't know what it *is*.

@askme
But Einstein himself wasn't even sure if the mathematical description of "space-time" actually corresponded to any physical reality and famously vacillated on the question before arriving at some kind of ontological relationaism - see his Hole Argument.

I agree with the spirit of your posts, the guy you're responding to is a retard, but how little physics actually interacts with ontology, contrary to popular belief, would probably blow your minds.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@New_Cliche
Regardless there is absolutely nothing in the physical relation of space and time which affects Kant's work, all that matters is the simple fact that both are experienced

Booteefool
Booteefool

@PurpleCharger
yeah its philosophy, its a guy writing down his mental masturbation on paper, instead of writing a novel or getting a real job. What did you expect?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Fried_Sushi
I agree completely

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
Yep.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/kant,_immanuel.html

idontknow
idontknow

@Booteefool
but he had a job user
he was a professor of logic and metaphysics at konigsberg university when he wrote the cpr

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@idontknow
His job was his mental masturbation

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Booteefool
oh shit guys looks like we're trapped in this prison cell for no apparent reason and no easy way out
lets just occupy ourselves with making neatly ordered stacks of garbage
lul look at that fag trying to escape, what a pretentious dick

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PurpleCharger
we're trapped in this prison cell for no apparent reason and no easy way out
this is what he thinks life is
who hurt you user

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Evilember
You're reading the wrong scholarship, for one thing. Relying on Allison and Wood to understand Kant would be like reading JK Rowling to understand contemporary literature

idontknow
idontknow

@Booteefool
writing down his mental masturbation on paper
Implying that's a bad thing
Implying that isn't mental expression of the highest caliber

likme
likme

@hairygrape
Kant was everywhere concerned with critiquing the ethical vacuum left by modern science, and its failure to consider the ends of man. Judging transcendental criticism because you like science more than the summum bonum is, just, like, why did you even bother picking up the book

Soft_member
Soft_member

@whereismyname
Literally every intro level philosophy class starts with Plato and Aristotle, through the Christfags, onto Descartes, through the Germans (starting with fucking Kant), ending usually with the French.
In my class on nineteenth century German philosophy we spent literally the first third of the semester on Kant alone so we'd be able to understand the rest in the proper context.
You're a pseud. Your eyes move over the page and though you may know the definitions of the words, you don't know their context or nuance, yet you trot on patting yourself on the back because that's the only reason you're reading Hegel in the first place, not to understand him.

That's what I'd say if I didn't think you were baiting

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Soft_member
Forgot to copy and paste his sentence for the greentext, ignore greentext

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

waiting at a bus stop in winter
middle aged man next to me suddenly collapses on the ground and starts wheezing
young guy runs over
person i would have least expected
kneels down and starts pumping the man's chest and breathing in his mouth
everyone is just staring in shock, some dial for help
after almost a minute the man gasps and his eyes open wide
people literally applaud the young man
cant believe this punk guy was the one to do the moral thing
ask him how he even knew what to do
he tells me he got everything from Kant's CPR

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Soft_member
Ive understood both Hegel and Kant fine, dont know what you are projecting here mate. Desperate!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@idontknow
philosophical logic is like being a child at a playground and throwing mud around

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Boy_vs_Girl
In other words, fun.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Evil_kitten
fugg I've been logic'd :D

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Boy_vs_Girl
he taught math and physics as well, such as they were. his lectures on theoretical anthropology are available in print. he had broad interests.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TreeEater
I'm shitposting and baiting why are you responding.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm
because i value honesty i guess i don't know

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@whereismyname
debunked by 19th, 20th and 21st Century science
bait

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Firespawn
So what does it so fundamentally alter?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Boy_vs_Girl
Only the relation between subject and object that had held for well over two millennia. You know, just the small shit.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@whereismyname
Kant is one of the only philosophers more important than Hegel and I can't even express how disappointed I am in you son.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@kizzmybutt
What is the before and after relation?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Methnerd
Kant is one of the only philosophers more important than Hegel
Only if you care about history of philosophy which I do not. Hegel's ideas were more interesting than Kants.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RumChicken
It was known for a very long time that subject is "in here" object is "out there", and that they interact with one another. Kant said this was not true, both subject and what we know as object exist only "in here". there are phenomena which we interact with but those phenomena have no intrinsic relation to the noumena (we cannot even know if the noumena exists). We can only know causality and the like because of synthetic a priori judgements (math, geomerty, ect.)@CouchChiller
@CouchChiller
people out there actually believe this
Yeah try and flex your deep philosophical knowledge while simultaneously admitting you haven't read Kant. I'm sure you'll get far in intellectual circles.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@kizzmybutt
I mean, isn't this just a fallacy based on reductionism? The intelligible world is determined by the sensible world because all our imaginings must be sensible, and cannot be verified as the intelligible, therefore the intelligible can only be created out of the sensible. He's set it up as though his ideas are how things actually work, but this is different from cosmology and the materialism of planets. You can't just say, 'Oh, but immaterial is really material, thus immaterial is just created by our understanding and propositions of the material.' It's nonsense.
This is just autism trying to prove Berkeley as an inversion, but without the interesting levels of solipsism and hologram larping. There's no big bang when we sit on a chair or ride a bicycle.
Or
ayo hol up
*smacks lips profusely*
so you be sayin
*tips chair*
we be like
*descends into suspended animation over the chair*
object-subjectors n sheeit!?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
I really do not give a shit about jerking over in an intellectual circle, I'm only reading for myself.
admitting you haven't read Kant.
but I read one of his books already and I'm going to read rest of his books that I bought :v)

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