I was thinking about why Nietzsche is so popular between people that are not...

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I was thinking about why Nietzsche is so popular between people that are not academics. Like, why is he so pop?

And I made a conclusion that whatever is the reason this is good because philosophy is good to everyone.

But some friends of mine said that philosophy isn't for everyone, like, should be read by some kind of elite that can think about it in a critic way.

So it makes me wonder, Who should read philosophy? Only academics, because they have a background of study? Why not normal people and they can make their own opinion about it?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Whoever wants to

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Boy_vs_Girl
If you want to actually do good philosophy, you need to be trained.

Soft_member
Soft_member

"It is obvious that in his day-dreams he is a warrior, not a professor; all the men he admires were military. His opinion of women, like every man's, is an objectification of his own emotion towards them, which is obviously one of fear. "Forget not thy whip"--but nine women out of ten would get the whip away from him, and he knew it, so he kept away from women, and soothed his wounded vanity with unkind remarks. He condemns Christian love because he thinks it is an outcome of fear: I am afraid my neighbour may injure me, and so I assure him that I love him. If I were stronger and bolder, I should openly display the contempt for him which of course I feel. It does not occur to Nietzsche as possible that a man should genuinely feel universal love, obviously because he himself feels almost universal hatred and fear, which he would fain disguise as lordly indifference. His "noble" man --who is himself in day-dreams--is a being wholly devoid of sympathy, ruthless, cunning, cruel, concerned only with his own power. King Lear, on the verge of madness, says:
I will do such things-
What they are yet I know not--
but they shall be The terror of the earth. This is Nietzsche's philosophy in a nutshell. "

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Boy_vs_Girl
@Soft_member
Nietzsche's philosophy is an extension of his person, and that is what makes it interesting. To read his work with no grounding like the edgy Highschooler is stupid and produces obnoxious fools who misintepret his most basic tenets while the rest fly over their head because most of Nietzsche's work is a polemic against history or philosophy

Playboyize
Playboyize

because he has epic quotes and no system.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Boy_vs_Girl
Philosophy is best in the hands of academics, at least today, but everyone should have a working understanding of it. I am not an Epicurean, but I think Epicurus had it right when he designed his philosophical system: simple enough for the average illiterate city dweller to get use out of, but deep enough for inquiring minds to work with, if they so chose.

The principle of charity is what 99% of amateur/armchair philosophers ignore, and that is what separates them from the serious thinkers. They are too concerned with "winning" an argument and not interested in the conversation itself or what it might lead to.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Boy_vs_Girl
are you catholic?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberburn
I'm atheist actually. Why?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Bunch of cucks ITT.
No only jewish social science professors can do philosophy!

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat
Or, and I know this is crazy, but hear me out, OR, you could enter academia yourself and take the field seriously. Hell, be the Jew you want to see in the world.

Also

philosophy
social science

stay pleb

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Boy_vs_Girl
I was thinking about why Nietzsche is so popular between people that are not academics. Like, why is he so pop?
Easily quotable, covers a wide range of topics, and appeals to very human senses with his use of language. That's just part of it. The larger part of his popularity is due to his accuracy. His core idea, will to power, is just too gripping: everyone and anyone can find it agreeable, and even undeniable, when they encounter it.

Who should read philosophy?
Anyone who doesn't become depressed or more hysterical by it should have at least some of it in their lives.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@GoogleCat
That's just part of it. The larger part of his popularity is due to his accuracy. His core idea, will to power, is just too gripping: everyone and anyone can find it agreeable, and even undeniable, when they encounter it.
is this a joke?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Dreamworx
What makes you say that?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Spazyfool
Oh no no no, you can't have every other idiot try and dip their feet into philosophy. They're to stupid to know when they don't understand something and create such obnoxious chatter it's fucking unbearable.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Boy_vs_Girl
Yeah, you eventually get over that, but if everyone suddenly became that "autodidact" guy from freshman philosophy courses, I would never leave the house

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Boy_vs_Girl
But they can keep reading and becoming less dumb eventually

askme
askme

His work appeals to the special snowflake in everyone.

Inmate
Inmate

@Boy_vs_Girl
Because he wrote aphorisms
Also he's pretty much responsible for the current zeitgeist

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Boy_vs_Girl

Because Nietzsche invented nihilism MAN, do what you want, hehe, nothing matters DUDE.
Didn't know you God is dead cis-scum?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Soft_member
But this is totally wrong and stupid. People miss Nietzsche's sense of humor, his desire to be as offensive as possible, the unpalatable masks he puts on to ward off readers and his deliberate minimalization of all sentimentality. I'm fairly certain he has some aphorisms about how love/adoration is pleasant both because it makes the adored one feel good, and is obviously inherently fun and pleasant for the one doing the adoring, for instance. Nietzsche doesn't envision "a being wholly devoid of sympathy, ruthless, cunning, cruel, concerned only with his own power". He envisions a well-rounded being, one who can feel sympathy, but also has the ability to sometimes seemingly act against this sympathy for the sake of a higher sympathy which wants oneself and other's to be better -- in fact, he also has one interesting part where he talks about how a person capable of feeling a "higher pity" sneers at people who feel "lower pity". The higher pity is the pity at seeing people weaken and degrade themselves and others while thinking it's in their best interest, is humanitarian, is great, etc. The lower pity is the sentimental pity for the suffering which can refine and shape people into stronger people.

So, it sounds a bit callous, but really it's just Nietzsche trying to point out some things and points of view that we don't like to think about; for instance, that excessive and air-headed pity makes people weaker, and so on.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Boy_vs_Girl
He's provocative and easy to digest in quotes.

askme
askme

@Garbage Can Lid
Nietzsche tries to be offensive as possible for the lolz
Nietzsche thinks he's better than all the other "soft," "sentimental" people out there
Everybody else thinks he's a pathetic basement dweller who daydreams about being Chad
autists sperg out when someone mentions this

So Nietzsche is Veeky Forums, the philosopher?

massdebater
massdebater

@Garbage Can Lid
He envisions a well-rounded being, one who can feel sympathy, but also has the ability to sometimes seemingly act against this sympathy for the sake of a higher sympathy which wants oneself and other's to be better
Yeah, but the disctinction that Russel would probably respond with is Nietzsche adresses that to the select few, it's advice only for the aristocratic souls

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sharpcharm
Do you actually believe in God?

Evilember
Evilember

@kizzmybutt
Do you actually believe in God?
I do ironically

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Nietzsche is not pop at all, like Evola and in a lesser fashion Guénon a lot of people who mention him(them) have never read him(them) and just recycle platitudes and generic observations they read on the internet; I have never met a single person who mentioned Nietzsche who was able to mention anything he wrote outside of circles that are heavily critical of his ideas, notably Christians.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Skullbone
Spoken like a true amateur

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Boy_vs_Girl

tfw everyon'e favorite Neet was a big baby who couldn't handle Schop redpills

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Boy_vs_Girl
Because of his famous quote "God is dead" that teenagers and (((atheists))) love so much, without any context of course.

Methshot
Methshot

@Bidwell
I'm in Vancouver BC and every guy I've known who was "into" Nietzsche's writings was exactly the kind of intemperate jackass you've described.

Thanks for putting it so well.

Your last sentence was particularly interesting. This one fool in particular would go into paroxisms of rage when I'd discuss history and particularly the etymology of specific words, declaring that I was "moralizing" and that in his supposed Nietzschian world view that this was the ultimate contemptible error, or even crime.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@PurpleCharger
what makes you say that?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Boy_vs_Girl
because his """""philosophy""""" amounts to a collection of vague aphorism-like phrases that are easily digestible, and cool to say / feign belief in.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Boy_vs_Girl
Schoupenhaurer had a good quote about how philosophy should be the last thing you learn: you must reach a understanding of history and science first.

I don't think anyone with a soft heart or a miserable life should learn philosophy because philosophy is cruel.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Normies claim to like Nietzsche
They can only quote that one thing he said about life having no meaning without music

This is why normalfags shouldn't into philosophy.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PurpleCharger
because philosophy is cruel.

This is extremely debatable

girlDog
girlDog

@Boy_vs_Girl

Good philosophers are those who can:

A. Get their ideas across in a way that just about any person can understand

B. Formulate ideas that just about any person can relate to

Nietzsche is a philosopher who is a strong example of this and so is this the reason behind his popularity.

Most philosophers who don't at least strive towards these things simply have a fetish for the philosophical process or metaphysics.
Academia has been and still is plenty full of people like this.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@girlDog
good philosiphy is based on being able to visualize new concepts. I mean actually visualize them. Being a pseud means sticking to dialectical linguistic fuckery. Doesn't matter how accurate your terminology is, if you can't see it's shape you are a pseud.

likme
likme

@w8t4u
t. platonic realist

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Illusionz
Nietzsche agree's with Aristotle that you need a slave class so that the aristocrats of society can use them to further their own goals. He thinks if a group of people end up as slaves it's because they were too weak to be masters and deserve no pity at all.

Philosophy is cruel because the world it's trying to analyze is cruel. It's not a place for optimism.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@girlDog
B. Formulate ideas that just about any person can relate to
Saying this about Nietzsche

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Gigastrength

Very few philosophers have their insights come to hopeless conclusions,whether their premises are ultimately right or wrong. Even less advocate suicide which would be ultimate solution to a truly cruel world hostile to happiness.

Even Schopenhauer ultimate pessimism is at least hopeful in terms of the virtues of glimpsing truth.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
You completly missed the point and jumped from philosophy has cruel conclusions to talking about suicide. I think this is pointless as the terms you think in are too distant and stupid, you missed everything so much I can't even tell you why you are wrong, you aren't wrong, you didn't even understand enough to weigh in on what I tried to communicate.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@AwesomeTucker

You are focused on the exercise of philosophy itself pretentious unveiling of reality whereas I think the conclusions reached by the analysis is ultimately more important and relevant to people

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Playboyize
Ha!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BunnyJinx
I think youtube philosophy would be a great fit for you.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Boy_vs_Girl

redditspacing
academics lmao
doesnt understand/resonate with Neitzsche

pottery

Techpill
Techpill

Because he managed to say something profound about life that touched many people.

Isn't that hard.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@StonedTime

Never read Bourdieu

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Philosophy is for everyone and no one

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
But some friends of mine said that philosophy isn't for everyone, like, should be read by some kind of elite that can think about it in a critic way.
wasn't Nietzsche anti-egalitarian and elitist too?

TechHater
TechHater

@5mileys
thats a good one

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Sharpcharm
nietzsche created nihilism
kys pleb

Flameblow
Flameblow

He stole all relevant parts of his philosophy from Stirner or Dostoyevsky, added in some edgy social darwinism and packed the whole thing into easily digestible aphorisms in purple prose.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@5mileys
wtf I dont believe in god now

w8t4u
w8t4u

Why are TV shows like Ancient Alien Ice Road Truckers so popular? Nietzsche is popular because of the hegemonic fascistic tendencies promoted by the elite. They created the alt-right/new age controlled opposition to dumb down the masses. They want to destroy critical understanding and revive ancient "esoteric knowledge" cults. Nietzsche refined explanatory tools (e.g. "projection", archetypes, etc) and a method of analysis which misdirects young minds trying to understand reality towards simple narratives, either of a fascistic or postmodernist variety today.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Boy_vs_Girl
nd I made a conclusion that whatever is the reason this is good because philosophy is good to everyone.
Wrong, kys.
@Soft_member
Russell is exactly the kind of idiot Nietzsche was combating. Never trust him.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Skullbone
Oh look, a retard who just completed philosophy 101.
Fuck off cunt, you know nothing.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@askme
Nietzsche is a soft sentimentalist also.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Boy_vs_Girl
Nietzsche is popular today because atheism is the new religion, and most people haven't read anything Nietzsche other than a quote taken out of context saying that "God is dead". That's about as much your average Joe knows about Nietzsche.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Boy_vs_Girl
Because he was a poet and a communication prodigy who could market himself as a philosopher. One of the first of a long dinasty of morons.
He, litteraly, needed Jesus: If he could have dressed his ramblings with some pseudoreligious pomp he would be everywhere today, childrens book included.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Boy_vs_Girl
N would cringe at this thread lol
Let's have it, guys. *soft cringe* for Nietzsche.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Boy_vs_Girl
Probably because he predicted the exact existential crisis a large number of people are currently going through

FastChef
FastChef

@Soft_member
This is why there should be always a "Brainlet Russell" thread up.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Soft_member
BTFO

Methshot
Methshot

@Supergrass
This. He basically puts into word the justification of the sense of anomie many people experience in the West.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PackManBrainlure
you know nothing

are you memeing me?

Also, have a degree in it, but cool

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
fun name
nothin personnel kid nihilism
I'm not saying thats him but it's why he's pop.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Bidwell
degree in philosophy
LOL I would say you should kill yourself, but you probably tell yourself that every day when you wake up.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nude_Bikergirl
trained
philosophy

Top kek. user go back to your academia safe zone.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
The better questions are: why wasn't he popular when he was alive, and why isn't a thinker like icycalm popular today?

The answer is the same for both: because in order to enjoy their works, one must be a free spirit — a spirit that is free from a blemished soul with unsatisfied, repressed urges from the past, and with the strength to exercise one's power openly without doubts. The majority of humans are not free spirits.

These men represent peak health in their respective times; the majority of humans do not want to know what peak health is like, because they aren't as healthy. They find the values of these men difficult to digest. They fling insults and avoid confrontations and do whatever they can to bypass any sense of responsibility on their part. They refuse to despise themselves like these men do, and despise only these men, and anyone else that they feel is in their way, which is precisely why they are not as healthy as these men.

Nietzsche is vastly more popular now than he was when he was alive, partly because his works are now more accessible of course, but also because much of what he wrote about is no longer a significant concern. His thoughts were greatly defiant for his time, but not so much anymore. It's no longer as questionable to believe what he believes. It is still questionable to believe what icycalm believes, though, which is why he is not popular right now. Humans are self-righteous indulgers often with hangups, which make them weak moral creatures; this is their problem and they are subconsciously reminded of it when they encounter an individual like icycalm.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Boy_vs_Girl
He isnt really "popular", he has a plethora of accessible, invigorating quotes that are tossed around with a fequency higher than most other intellectuals. Very few actually read his work. Even fewer read it critically and with an educated mind..

Anyway, philosophy will only ever be practiced by what can only be classified as an intellectual elite, whether or not these people are conventional academics. Moderately intelligent people will not learn higher philosophy. They may be curious for a little while, check it out, and then be disillusioned and discover its not for them.

Most people in a state of existential crisis will not learn philosophy or higher philosophy. They'll solve it some other way. It doesn't matter if a person is "normal" or not, anyone who learn philosophy will cease being normal, they will alter their worldview and diverge from normie worldview. It doesnt matter if you think academia should be restricted to a select minority of the population. If a person is introduced to basic philosophy, and has need of its utility, he will pursue philosophy to the best of his abilities.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Stupidasole
I haven't read it, therefore nobody has read it

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Need_TLC
I take you're referring to the first sentence in my post.

Nietzsche's quotes ARE tossed around with more frequency than other intellectuals. Granting that, its reasonable to assume most people who quote him, have not read him. Most people who quote anyone are not intimately familiar with their body of work, whether its a philosopher, mathematician, scientist, artist, whatever.

Illusionz
Illusionz

everytime i learn a lesson irl i remember some quote or passage and am like
so thats what he meant
rarely happens with other philosophers, usually they become less legit to me.

farquit
farquit

@Burnblaze
tries to mock me for being a casual
mocks me for not being a casual instead

Am I supposed to take you seriously?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Boy_vs_Girl
I don't think the problem is on everyone reading philosophy but rather that if you start reading philosophy and stop midway like starting with the greeks and stopping at the medieval era or skipping from Rousseau to Nietzsche or basically not committing fully to it youll end up either blindly following your favourite philosopher or so overcome by doubts that you'll end up scared of believing anything.
I'm at the latter stage right now and I don't think I'll ever interest myself in philosophy seriously again in my life.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Does Nieztsche write like a philosophef ? By that, I mean, do his texts read like something Kant or Hegel would write ?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Lunatick
God no. He's very amusing to read. One could read him merely for pleasure and I know people who do.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Lunatick
Not even close. Nietzsche writes in this very poetic, bombastic, almost biblical style. Lots of passion, and not the autistic reservation and intellectual chill that you get with Kant. He can be as dense and difficult to decipher as Hegel at times, but for different reasons.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Bidwell
A degree means nothing, considering how blatantly little you know.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Flameblow
But user that sounds fucking sick

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Lord_Tryzalot
Same here desu. His prose are beautiful and he is consistently laugh out loud funny! Other than Doesteyevsky, and Steinbeck, Nietzsche is the best writer of all time

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BunnyJinx
What have I said that made any claims? I said that armchair philosophers tend to approach every argument/discussion with a "win at any costs" mindset, and I stand by that statement. Aside from that, you're really stretching here

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Stupidasole
... is this bait? Or is this the power of the newfag

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Lunatick
Yes

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Soft_member
judging the works of an author based on that author's life
nope

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lunatick
Believe it or not, Ive been here for a couple years, though, not solely on this board. My literary taste is a reflection of what I genuinely like, rather than trying to impress you guys and faceplant into the ground of pretention! I dont fall for the memes. Honestly, it seems as though you are just trying to be an edgy faggot to make yourself feel better. NIETZSCHE IS LE GOAT AND WE ALL KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE!!!!!!! "You can shove your [bull shit] up your arse for nothing and fuck off while you are doing it"--withnail

WebTool
WebTool

@Boy_vs_Girl
Because it's actually good. I would maybe understand only half of what he said if it weren't for my professor in high school, with whom we took his works very seriously and in detail. The man had his problems but you can just feel that he was a really good thinker and wrote in great style. And the main thing is that he was sort of a prophet.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Flameblow
What are you on about, we like great writers because they're great. Stop projecting because you can't appreciate Shakespeare

5mileys
5mileys

@Lunatick
schoprnhauer was 1000x guilty of what nietzsche is usually accused of,
- nihilism (pantheism is polite nihilism)
- pessimism
- womenbashing
- polemic essays with strawmanning
- never left philosophical puberty phase, his earliest writing is actually his magnum opus
but he happened to live longer and most pics of him show le ebin grey man so lit automatically assumes that he is somehow more mature.

Inmate
Inmate

@Lunatick
@Carnalpleasure

@Garbage Can Lid
Dumb

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Snarelure
neech literally makes the same point in BGE

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Garbage Can Lid
Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Inmate
thes posts dumb i say so

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Boy_vs_Girl
Personally I find Nietzsche's personality and life more interstesting and inspiring than his actual works. He was an incredible man who certainly lived more fully than the majority of the brainlet haters in this thread. He did something with his life and tried to live out his own philosophy, spending his days furiously writing in a dark room, retching into a bucket. In a way his work is inseparable from his life.

Nietzsche inspired a whole generation of independent thinkers who dedicated their lives to one intellectual or artistic pursuit. What have we done that grants us the right to label him a "cuck" or "pleb-tier philosophy". Think on that anons.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Soft_member
Holy fuck how did Nietzsche's work ever recover? Is this the power of Kaufmann?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PurpleCharger
personally
no one cares bug
i find N’s personal life to be more interesting
yes because you’re cattle
he was SO BRAVE
disgusting

takes2long
takes2long

@eGremlin
Youve literally contradicted yourself. Seppuku is too good for you. Kill your whole bloodline, and be gone from this world and maybe some honour can be salvaged

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Fried_Sushi
Obviously you care user.

My interest in a life that rails against the herd mentality and demonstrates individualism makes me cattle.

I suppose bravery in the face of adversity isn't admirable? I bet you live a pathetic weak life compared to him.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Lunatick
nietzsche made fun of kant for this exact reason

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Deadlyinx
icy calm ever being right about anything but arcades

wew lad

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BinaryMan
please don't talk about icycalm, I have frequent dreams featuring him and they're all really anxious even though we end up having a good time

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@CodeBuns
Who is icycalm?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@CodeBuns
lol what

Inmate
Inmate

@Soft_member
Which Jew wrote this

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Illusionz
You said a fair bit about 'muh lived philosophy' and 'muh simple language philosophy'. Let me guess, you call yourself a 'stoic'?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Boy_vs_Girl
I never said simple language, I said accessible to those without formal training/literacy. Read closer. I am absolutely not a Stoic, I don't think anyone really is anymore. 99% of "Stoics" just like their ethics via quotes on Facebook.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@hairygrape

That and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger ugh. Pulp philosophy. A doctor said that to me after I objected to his prescription of antibiotics for an ingrown hair that became as big as a golf ball. The cure was worse than the illness, as I had diarrhea for more than a month. Fuck that guy, seriously.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@5mileys
never left philosophical puberty phase, his earliest writing is actually his magnum opus

It's all he really wanted or felt he needed to write. Everything else was supplementary material to that. In his eyes he pretty much wrote the philosophical bible

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Nude_Bikergirl
Accessible, as in the same old ideas again and again. I'm doubtful you have any idea of contemporary philosophy beyond a meme like Zizek (who oddly enough I'm seeing cited just now for the first time, in diasporic studies of all fields).
You probably have a 'classics' degree. Not philosophy, bub.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Skullbone
Epicurus was hardly the same old ideas. Theres a reason that he was the punching bag of every other school, but still worth engaging in discourse with. He mattered.

That said, what the fuck is your preoccupation with my personal characteristics? What is with these bizarre assumptions? I don't care for Zizek. I told you what my degree is in, whether you believe me is on you. Why is it that instead of engaging in any kind of meaningful conversation, you insist on being an insufferable tryhard? First I'm a casual, then I'm a meme Stoic, now I'm a classicist and a Zizek fanboy. Which is it?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Soft_member
Here is the best illustration of how an inferiority complex marks a face. Homeliness and rejection by beautiful girls has made him a victim of hurt ego in his formative years. I refer to these types as the backstairs brooders or future revolutionaries (pronounced haters of Mankind).

This is the tied-into-knots visage of a non-personality; a typical English sitter on chairs in a side-saddle manner, unsure of anything, least of himself.
Being tremblingly uncertain of everything around him and unable to come to any conclusion as to what Does and Does Not matter, he turned to mathematics in order to prove to those who could not tell automatically, what was Right. He is a specimen of the Anglosex INDEFINITENESS. As a mathematical philosopher, not a WISE human he was able to solve the profound question of What is it that makes 2 + 2=4?

Non-historic nations (the English and Anglomericans) never seem to need Patriotism. Grown to national maturity while being protected from calamities by surrounding seas or oceans, they have had no invasions or conquests, never faced total extermination by the predatory nations. When suddenly (and it always is sudden, for non-historic nations never ACT first before the foes of Mankind, but only REACT in self-defense) they have to meet the mortal dilemma, they do not react automatically with wise instinct, but turn to crank their electronic computers and push dozens of buttons so to ask For God's sake, what do we do? The answer is precisely what has been fed into the buzzing machine; a trite response that diminishes their state of being and the possibility for SURVIVAL. They are then led into the future as a cowardly mass of befuddled nincompoops.

Here you see the type of intellectual leader that the Anglo race has produced within the last few generations. A sniveling weakling, totally devoid of the instinct for Survival. Supreme nobility evolves in each normal Human by means of attraction of the opposite sex, hence it is sexual capacity that makes nations Honorable, Ethical and Moral, while the lack of normal sexual urges makes such queer-ducks as this specimen . The homosexual can not be patriotic, because that instinct is the sublimated feeling of the father for the security of his beloved family. I would NEVER give any political, pedagogic or military trust in the hands of a sterile creature who has lost the INSTINCTS of a social being. I would never place a person burdened with the malady of Anglosex, in a position of responsibiliy or trust.

Russell strived to bait Providence by going to Russia and offering his services. He baited the English nation by urging to give up common sense and emulate Russian ways. Eventually he was such a good Providence baiter that he became universally regarded as the Master Baiter of the British Empire.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
same old ideas
Do you realize how dead Epicurus is?
Holy fuck you useless classicist.
I mentioned Zizek BECAUSE HE IS A MEME HERE, THEREFORE THE ONLY CONTEMPORARY 'PHILOSOPHER' YOU WOULD BE AWARE OF

Inmate
Inmate

@Soft_member
You are so dense it hurts. I used him as an example, I never claimed that there was a thriving community of Epicureans or something. Why do you assume that I don't know any contemporary philosophy? You can't seem to help yourself when it comes to jumping to conclusions and not sticking to the goddamn point. What accusation is going to be next? Am I going to be a closet Hegelian? Maybe I'll be a transhumanist? Please advise, I need to prep.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Inmate
as an example
To the classicist moron, the oldandold is all they have for examples. Everything is framed through 'muh griks'. Damn illiterate.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Honestly there is no point to reading philosophy if you're goal in life is to make sure you're already living it to your full potential and you are as happy as you want to be and you're not lying to yourself in any way. Plato and Montaigne, the two greatest philosophers, both say that the point of philosophy is to live better. What other point is there? Why else would you ever want to waste time doing something if it's not going to make your life better? Either it's going to be entertaining or it's going to serve a purpose by telling you how to live better, and both of those things help you live better, the latter being more obviously long-lasting.

There was this video the other day of Jordan Peterson saying the point of literature was to take things out of it that make you live better and he was also talking about Nietzsche. Nietzsche will honestly make you think for yourself--the modern day Socrates--and it's honestly a shame that the postmodernists followed him and it's also a shame that most of them quote him. From what I've read only Mencken deserves the credit of having Nietzsche as an inspiration. Nietzsche critiques everything. Even in Beyond Good and Evil, which is a common text for Nietzsche, sure, he critiques his literal two favorite authors: Montaigne and Schopenhauer. Also: in one place in BGE he says you should treat woman with care and never use force, BUT THEN in Zarathustra he has the old woman saying always bring the whip. So when you have motherfuckers saying Nietzsche is literally the easiest person to interpret, you can automatically assume they're the biggest pseud to ever walk into Target with their mom and walk along with them while playing their Gameboy and fucking around until they get home and sooner before they know it their day is over and they've already jerked it once to Hentai cartoons.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Bidwell
i find his life and struggles the most interesting
weak, dull-witted, useless bug nigger
bravery in the face of bad genes is interesting to me, moreso than philosophy
exposing yourself now

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
Spoken like an autistic modernist philistine. I am no classicist, despite your insisting otherwise, and have plenty of modern philosophical interests, but the good part of using Greek examples is that anyone with a foundational philosophical education will know what you're talking about. The further you go into the future, the more niche it becomes, and the more likely you are to spend more time explaining your example than making your point. I am really beginning to suspect that you are exactly the kind of bitter and insecure armchair philosopher I was referring to in my original post. Go read some more wiki articles on Wittgenstein and Quine.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@VisualMaster
Oh look, you're also autistic. You don't have a degree in philosophy just because you took philosophy 101 as part of your 'muh colonial overlords' Classics program, ya putz.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Emberburn
he contradicts himself
therefore he's complex and provides depth

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Emberburn
There was this video the other day of Jordan Peterson saying-
That will be enough out of you

happy_sad
happy_sad

@CodeBuns
Holy fuck we're back to this again? I'm not going to post a picture of my diploma or furnish proof of my education to placate some weird faggot on Veeky Forums. You literally haven't responded to a single one of my points, all you've done is jump from one smarmy accusation to another. Armchair psued spotted.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Soft_member
Russell goes full ressentiment
Nietzsche was right again.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@happy_sad
diploma
You don't have one.
armchair
Everything I study is at least based in the mid 20th century and is presently being applied globally. Sorry, you're the one obsessing over 'muh colonial masturrrs'. Stupid stoicuck.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@King_Martha
Listen bud. If you can't automatically comprehend the depth and originality of both Nietzsche and Montaigne on an inherent level then I really don't know what to tell you and I think at this point not even God can save your soul. Why don't you return to your Kant and your Hegel and your definitions and your depression, bro.

@Evil_kitten
I'll go easy on you because you're programmed to automatically respond with hatred and a meme that you actually saved on your desktop because you're not fully matured, but there's also a small chance that I'm not a hundred percent backing Peterson in any argument and if you actually read my post you'd realize that no matter what Peterson, or anyone for that matter says, you can guarantee they're going to say or think something right, and if you find something that's agreeable, well, get-r-done.

Flameblow
Flameblow

And we're still going in circles, and you're still not responding to anything of substance. If making one reference is "obsessing over", I shudder to think of what you would be like in actual classroom environments. I can see your greasy hand shooting up to make pointless comments already.

Also, I notice that you say you "study", but not where or how. I also think I've struck a nerve with Quine and the like. That armchair most be pretty comfy tonight.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Flameblow
I've never even read Quine.
My hands are very dry from trying to remove a transfer stain from a new shirt, actually.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CouchChiller
I want to clarify one thing. I personally don't care if someone has a formal education or a degree or any kinds of qualifications in philosophy. I have many good friends who are extremely literate and interesting philosophically without having studied it. As I said in my original post, your biggest flaw that immediately brands you as an amateur is the way you argue and the way your approach each post. You duck and dodge and make weird statements but never actually say anything.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PackManBrainlure
listen, bucko, here's ten other philosophers, which proves just how deep Neetch is

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@CodeBuns
Project harder please, stoicuck.
if you dont behave in this way you arent pure aryan like me!!!!
Your friends aren't literate or interesting by the way, you are just easily impressed.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat
I'm only going to respond to this bait as far as I can, and as far as that is literally nothing because what you typed in that greentext is so incomprehensible I can't literally come to terms with what I'm even typing write now as I watch it being written, and that's saying something.

Illusionz
Illusionz

/lit/thread/10534770#p10534770

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Boy_vs_Girl
Most people who love Nietzsche have never even read him, and know simply a vague wikipedia summary description of the topics he covers.

They then extrapolate this to practice a dudebro hedonism lifestyle under the guise of "nihilism" even if that has nothing to do with what Nietzsche is saying.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Stupidasole
And now I'm back to being a Stoic, what a wonderful twist. You fucking reek of insecurity and missed opportunities. You're probably not stupid, but you definitely aren't successful, one of those smart children who couldn't hack it past age 13-14.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Sir_Gallonhead
projecting this hard
Everybody who complained of 'armchair philosophers' is a stoicuck.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Spazyfool

this

Books are strange things. They are like stones on the shelf. They are like humans on the desk. They come to life for whoever is willing to open them.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Soft_member
well damn, you got me. Your baseless assumption that you came to the table with just unmasked me as the closet Stoic that I am. Bravo. Amor Fati, eh?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@happy_sad
Amor Cock lmao

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Skullbone
My Stoic sensibilities preclude me from responding, you know how we are

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Boy_vs_Girl

But some friends of mine said that philosophy isn't for everyone, like, should be read by some kind of elite that can think about it in a critic way.

At first read this sounds a little pretentious, hoity-toity, and ultimately seems like a circuitous appeal to authority (as if only the intelligentsia are qualified to philosophize).

But I kind of agree with it. Not because people's critical faculties are unequal, but because ruminating about basic philosophical questions can, at least I think, drive some people mad. It drove me mad at a young age, albeit I have a bit of an obsessive personality, but at some point an individual will recognize that, despite their most earnest attempts, they don't really know what they're talking about -- and neither does anyone else. We may try to justify and presuppose and principalize, but, if are indeed using are faculties for reason, a very, ironically, Nietzschean supposition, we are probably in some sense working from an axiom of nihilism. I think this nihilism only works in us to deanimate our spirits and engender in us a sense of despair.

So in some sense, I don't think everyone should to be wasting their time mulling over big existential questions. It's not really healthy to prod at such a big fire with inconclusive results. They will likely not walk away with unique insights or nirvana either, just nihilistic doubts. The ruminating ought to be left for those who are introspective and requisitely insane -- lest we all go insane.

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