The reason I am not posting this on the politically incorrect board of Veeky Forums is because I would like genuinely high quality books that deal with a similar topic to what I am about to describe. Perhaps you would think I should have posted on Veeky Forums, which I did and received no replies.
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The last 200 years can essentially be described as a period of wide-spread schizophrenia.
The Enlightenment was not necessarily “orchestrated” by Freemasons and people of the Jewish faith, but the French and American revolutions were largely in their favour and indeed pushed by just these people. The Enlightenment can be seen as a trend in philosophy which challenged the precepts of the then extant Occidental system known generally as Christendom. It is essentially a philosophic system of criticism, as opposed to one of culture and ethics based on the precepts of the Christian doctrine. Enlightenment thought, exemplified politically in the French, American and other revolutions, was largely propped up by Freemasons and people of the Jewish faith. It is essentially a system which seeks to destroy and build anew the old order, leaving behind the culture which was initially spawned by Christian civilisation. The American revolution has an economic history of battle between reactionaries and a series of Jewish banking cabals, whose battle ended with the civil war and whose world we now live in. Everywhere we find “Conservatism”- simply another point on the spectrum of Judaeo-Masonic thought.The Fascist ideologies were also deeply Liberal [in its non-colloquial sense] in philosophy. But the Hitlerian system was a paradox- it essentially opposed the Judaeo-Masonic order through the use of a some what Judaeo-Masonic system. There was some attempt to rekindle the battle against banking interests in Italy, but it largely failed. It is said that Pound was the last poet in the Ovidian tradition and indeed perhaps he was the last bastion of Classicism against the four forces of Christendom, Liberalism, Marxism and Anarchist theory.
Bowden said the difference between left and right was essentially the difference between believing in inequality or equality, which is somewhat true, considering pre-Enlightenment thought was based on a system of social hierarchy based on cultural capital and heritage, not wealth, but it goes deeper than that and he fails to mention that the Fascist ideologies were not in themselves right-wing. It has to do with banking interests and a system that allows social mobility without the acquisition of cultural capital, indeed the substitution of such a thing for a system of mere wealth, based on a new currency. This leads to the cultural degradation of the Occident.
The way I see it the founding fathers believed they could oppose the Jews while maintaining a Liberal system. Of course, they were wrong and ultimately it failed. Whether they harboured Monarchist sentiments or not, the American system was Liberal, I would imagine, which is what began the battle between the forces of good and Jewish banking interests that ended with the civil war, in so far as I am aware.
Gabriel Myers
I didn't read any of that, but I guarantee you're either wrong or extremely confused
Cooper Morris
He is t. Third degree Mason.
Noah Reyes
Why was the NSDAP so against Freemasonry?
Why were the Freemasons so instrumental in the Liberal revolutions?
Why did the Roman Catholic church wish to remove the Masonic tradition from Europe?
It is precisely because you are a Freemason that one should not take you seriously.
Julian Scott
>3rd degree u r like baby
Xavier Garcia
Some books come to my mind, I haven't read all of them and I don't know much about the subject.
There seems to be some miss-understatements in your interpretation but I'm not qualified or inclined to help.
Christian Ramirez
You've already made up your mind on everything-why bother to read any books?
Ryan Turner
its cuz freemasons are the devil worshipping jew reptiles that everyone is so afraid of unless they've been indoctrinated
They control drumpf and the media, because cult of personality president + negative media = $$$$
Jayden Anderson
Essential reading if you're interested in that. On the sociological aspect and psychological foundations of the French Revolution : Augustin Cochin - La révolution et la libre-pensée Cochin again - Les sociétés de pensée et la démocratie Adrien Loubier - Groupes réducteurs et noyaux dirigeants
It really makes you think, may I say.
Nolan Morales
>It is essentially a philosophic system of criticism, as opposed to one of culture and ethics based on the precepts of the Christian doctrine. Wrong.
Elijah Carter
>the then extant Occidental system known generally as Christendom
Samuel Hill
Not him but >Why was the NSDAP so against Freemasonry? The same reason the Soviet Union and other socialist states did. Groups who want to centralise political power dont like the idea of groups outside of their control - hence why unions and professional associations ect were also taken over or closed down.
>Why were the Freemasons so instrumental in the Liberal revolutions? Because it was a very middleclass bourgeois institution which gave the opportunity for people who were loosing out under the monarchy more contact and trust with one another. Also the reason why they stopped becoming an influential and subversive institution after the dominance of the capitalism took root. The last lodge of any relevance for the past century one in Italy the Propaganda Due lodge which cared less about politics and religion more about making money and playing off the US's opposition to communism.
>Why did the Roman Catholic church wish to remove the Masonic tradition from Europe? Mainly because, the liberal/progressive ambitions of the middle class masons led to conflict in countries where the Catholic Church was closely aligned with the state. Mainly in France, Brazil and Mexico it however was enough to worry them. + Because their religious views were not exclusively Catholic. Take a look at things like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax where the Church got memed into supporting a fanfic by a guy who wanted to troll the masons and the Church.
>American and other revolutions, was largely propped up by Freemasons and people of the Jewish faith.
Do you think the Spanish and French Monarchies were Jewish Institutions because they provided the most important aide to the US.
What do you think about Masons like Frederick the Great who wasnt a revolutionary?
Tyler Jackson
>What do you think about Masons like Frederick the Great who wasnt a revolutionary? I have no qualms with individuals who happen to be members of a religious group, more so with the group as a whole and what it represented in relation to the revolutions of that time.
Asher Ramirez
>more so with the group as a whole and what it represented in relation to the revolutions of that time. In addition with the other points is it accurate to hold freemasonry as a causal factor?
Henry Jackson
>it was a very middleclass bourgeois institution which gave the opportunity for people who were loosing out under the monarchy more contact and trust with one another With this sentence are you not essentially agreeing with me? The revolutions were in the interest of Masonic adherents and so they pushed for it to the detriment of Occidental culture and morality.
Isaiah Hill
>With this sentence are you not essentially agreeing with me? See the US Revolution was propped up by conservative and non masonic sources unless you you think the Monarchs of Spain and France were crypto masons. Likewise with other revolutions you haven't really done much to substantiate your claim theat they were "largely propped up" by freemasons and jews.
Likewise the whole cultural degradation argument seems rather slapdash and emotive.
Isaac Adams
dayum user is dat yo gf?
Levi Cooper
>The way I see it the founding fathers believed they could oppose the Jews while maintaining a Liberal system. Of course, they were wrong and ultimately it failed. Whether they harboured Monarchist sentiments or not, the American system was Liberal, I would imagine, which is what began the battle between the forces of good and Jewish banking interests that ended with the civil war, in so far as I am aware.
Brandon Reyes
Agree I would say that Mason's have the ability to build any reality they feel best suits them; what is the cult(ure) that says that knowledge is free and there are no secrets? Whatever that is, it is the one coming forth as we speak, in the conscious and unconscious world.
Any opposition to that sentiment is what I would call, evil, and it is evil. This would be the organized religions that keep secrets for their higher ups who are untouchable (non-metaphorical).
Morality isn't strictly occidental, though the Occident has this obsession with logos which turns Borg-like in the absence of opposition.
Lucas Gomez
> I see it the founding fathers believed they could oppose the Jews while maintaining a Liberal system Based on what? and why is this more likley than the mainstream explanations of the war of independence?
>which is what began the battle between the forces of good and Jewish banking interests that ended with the civil war, in so far as I am aware. This doesnt deal with the issue of Spain, France or your claims of the revolutions being"largely propped up" by freemasons and jews.
Ryder Johnson
>why is this more likley than the mainstream explanations of the war of independence? The mainstream explanation is partially true, but due to political correctness the Jewish and Masonic problem is not mentioned. John Adam's son was part of an Anti-Masonic party.
>This doesnt deal with the issue of Spain, France or your claims of the revolutions being"largely propped up" by freemasons and jews The Jews and Masons knew what the revolutions represented. It was in their interests to prop it up.
Jeremiah Cox
what was the deal with banks in the 13 colonies?
Carter Gray
>but due to political correctness the Jewish and Masonic problem is not mentioned. So your argument for the founding fathers having the Jewish Problem as a key motivation in their revolution and that the mainstream explanation is mostly wrong and this century old truth suppressed by a political correctness that emerged in the last 30 years is the fact that one of the founding fathers had a son who was in an Anti Masonic party?
How does this strike you as good reasoning and historiography?
>The Jews and Masons knew what the revolutions represented. It was in their interests to prop it up. So do you think the Monarchs of Spain and France were Jews or Masons? Do you have any arguments to explain how these other revolutions would have failed without the Jews and Masons propping them up?
Your argument is literally "they propped them up because they should have propped them up"
Jonathan Lee
centuries*
Angel Gutierrez
Initially built with good intentions but usurped by Jews, I would imagine.
>So your argument for the founding fathers having the Jewish Problem as a key motivation in their revolution and that the mainstream explanation is mostly wrong and this century old truth suppressed by a political correctness that emerged in the last 30 years is the fact that one of the founding fathers had a son who was in an Anti Masonic party? The American Revolution may have been motivated by a belief that foreign lands should not be ruled from abroad and that taxation should remain within itself, but following on from this, the system that inevitably took hold necessarily brought in the problem of the Jews. The American Revolution is not defined by Jews, but its occurrence necessarily lead to the triumph of the Jews around the time of the civil war through the infiltration of the US banking system.
>Do you have any arguments to explain how these other revolutions would have failed without the Jews and Masons propping them up? We can not know for sure.
Sebastian Morris
do you not think those occurrences of historys main motivation was the increase of individual freedom?
Lucas Jackson
>but following on from this, Again you keep on drawing these links with nothing except that it would agree with you preconceived views on Jews and Masons.
>but its occurrence necessarily lead to the triumph of the Jews around the time of the civil war through the infiltration of the US banking system. Is necessarily really the word you want to use here?
>We can not know for sure. For the third time youve ignored the part about the French and Spanish so Im guessing you dont really care anymore about there being any answers which aren't the freemasons or jews regardless of history.
We can never never know for sure that the world was not created yesterday, just because there is no perfect certainty means that there are no better answers.
Veeky Forums was right to ignore this
Owen Howard
>lead to the triumph of the Jews do you mean to include 'spiritual/metaphoric/symbolic/slurful jews', in the sense that certainly not all banking and finance was ran and owned and benefited by ethnic jews? What percentage would you say around the time of the evolution, and how did this number fluctuate every 40 years or so until know: of banking and finance...does this question mean, what percent of money (?...or money from money...the purely...money business, banking, and investing) was/is owned by ethnic jews?
Evan Johnson
If the American civil war was a triumph of Jewish power then how do you reconcile the absence of Jewish leadership in the north and the presence of Judah p. Benjamin in Confederate leadership?
Isaiah Morales
The replacement of a system of culture and heritage with one of mere material acquisition. The idea of liberty in this sense was one that was largely believed by the poorer folk who managed to concern themselves with current affairs just about enough to have a rudimentary understanding of what was going on.
>Is necessarily really the word you want to use here? Europe and America are now under the thumb of a Jewish banking and media elite. What else lead to this but the Enlightenment?
The existence of individual members of a religion are not to whom I refer, but to the religion as a whole.
Isaiah Cooper
Ok but how did Judaism exist more in the north when the largest Jewish community in America at the time was in Charleston?
Christopher Sanchez
It did not necessarily exist more in the north. It had to do with a concentration of Jews with in the banking system.
David Hernandez
You mean the media elite who were unable with 1.5 billion dollars to stop Donald Trump from being elected?
>What else lead to this but the Enlightenment? Capitalism or Christianity.
Robert Walker
Due to the fact that many non-jewish banks wouldn't lend to jews and that the velocity if money was so slow at the time that local banking was a necessity of any community that would mean that Charleston had a significant Jewish banking community as well. As did New Orleans for that matter.
Nolan Morgan
Trump is very closely linked with Zionism and has literally no anti Jewish stances. You're playing into ops hand with that one.
Sebastian Mitchell
The internet is a new force.
Either way, the banking system became dominated by people of the Jewish faith around the civil war.
Aaron Murphy
And this
Brandon Russell
You think strengthening white racial nationalism and opposing rampant immigration to the US from Latin America is pro Jewish?
Leo Parker
>banking system became dominated by people of the Jewish faith around the civil war. Source?
Jonathan Nguyen
>the banking system became dominated by people during the civil war no it didn't and it never has been at any point dominated by them. the wealthiest bankers and banking families are still white families and white magnates and investors. most banks are owned or directed by whites. /pol/ doesn't talk about finance and banking because so many whites are engaged in it, just like pharmakos and defense, agro, biotech, energy all of which are white oligopoly industries. you're just saying things you saw on yt and read from antisemitic conspiratards
Levi Perez
Yeah maybe but I think that in light of this that you consider that the source of corruption in high finance can't be pegged to any single religion or ethnicity. Another question I would have for you is how do you rectify the corruptions of the Italian banking families like the Medici or the Vatican, the Swiss banking system, or the Spanish bank Santander? Too much money and power breeds corruption in all men.
The difference between Jewish and Christian power is that the Jewish infects the culture of the lands in which it holds power with degenerative effects and materialism, whereas the Christian is regenerative and spiritual.
Juan Peterson
No. I don't think those issues have anything to do with Jews. I think recognizing Jerusalem as the Israeli capitol and legitimizing it with an American embassy does. And I think having your favorite daughter/confidant being married into a pro Zionist Jewish family puts you close to people that are pro Zionist.
Carter Lee
As a Catholic I would love for that to be true, but corrupt men have done terrible things in the name of my faith and we cannot excuse them simply because they are Christian.
Lincoln Powell
Do you have any info on the source of that quote? I cant find any information regarding the existence of that newspaper and journalist. This website does a pretty good take down of its legitimacy
So you think that creating a post border post racial and post ethic new world order in the most powerful country on earth has nothing to do with Jews? Are you the same OP
Elijah Jackson
I was never op. Hence, why I said >Playing into ops hand As far as I can tell op hasnt said much on Trump.
Lincoln Wood
Against the Heathen - St Athanasius
Against Heresies - St Irenaeus
On the Orthodox Faith and Fount of Knowledge - St John of Damascus
Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future - Fr Seraphim Rose
Michael Hoffman - The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome
Michael Hoffman - Judaism's Strange Gods
For My Legionaries - Corneliu Codreanu
Brayden Morris
That is my source.
Thank you. I have been meaning to read Codreanu.
Grayson Turner
>That is my source. What makes you think it is valid or worthwhile one?
Xavier Ramirez
It makes sense with in the wider picture, knowing that Jews had and have banking interests internationally.
Chase Lewis
>Europe and America are now under the thumb of a Jewish banking and media elite. What else lead to this but the Enlightenment? And how would things be if the enlightenment didnt occur, or banking and media elite did not have control? Purely wholesome media? And no such thing as lower class: all bluecollar would be middle/upper middle class? there would only be upper middle/upper class?
Anthony Johnson
The difference would be that the world would be filled with culture, visual beauty and morality, as opposed to being dirempt of it.
Oliver Cox
In what ways, describe some ways it would be full of it? Describe some of the culture it would be full of? And what kind of visual beauty would it be full of? And what morality?
William Gray
The production of visual art and architecture is based largely on popular demand and not church commission- for this reason the nature of visual art and architecture falls from the ideals of Christian, classical and neo-classical art in to the formless fancy of the artist in the Jewish system. In the Christian system this is the exact opposite. the same can be said for books and with this the nature of education, such as the degradation of what is usually referred to as a classical education. I am referring to Christian morality- the moral precepts outlined within the bible- the teachings of Christ.
Isaiah Hughes
You're welcome. Codreanu's book is very good. Jay Dyer's stuff sounds right up your alley as well. youtube.com/user/jaydyer
Tyler Carter
>It makes sense with in the wider picture, knowing that Jews had and have banking interests internationally. How does it make sense that Bismark would write a letter in English to a 15 year old American boy about the American Civil War and that the only person who knew of this an author in the 1920s? What information would you need personally to no longer view the quote as being authentic?
Elijah Garcia
I mean it sheds a light on the actual situation whether it is legitimate or not.
Blake Edwards
>I mean it sheds a light on the actual situation whether it is legitimate or not. How so? You claim it as the source of your belief regarding the banking system being taken over by Jews how can it then not matter if it is a modern fabrication or not? If it is false it would be the opposite bringing darkness.
A thought experiment for you: - what information or evidence would you need to see to abandon your views on Jewish control of society and finance?
Ayden Bailey
>How so? How can it then not matter if it is a modern fabrication or not? It fits together History like the pieces of a puzzle. The Rothschild conspiracy is not limited to internet articles. Balzac wrote about it.
>What information or evidence would you need to see to abandon your views on Jewish control of society and finance? A revision of History which I am surprised has not already occurred.
Leo Morgan
ok so one of the major biggest problems in the world is ugly architecture? A genie snaps its fingers and all the buildings in the world change into your architecture ideal over night: and all the scupltures and movies and paintings (and other visual arts) appear to meet your ideals:
Who will be in charge of saying what books can and cannot be published?
What else?
Jaxon Carter
>It fits together History like the pieces of a puzzle. Its more like completing a rubix cube by painting over the stickers.
>A revision of History which I am surprised has not already occurred. Can you go into a bit more detail here? What "puzzle pieces" letters, events ect would you need to see? At what point would you not write them off as Jewish fabrications.
Josiah Watson
>Who will be in charge of saying what books can and cannot be published? The lack of demand for low quality books.
>What else? I believe I addressed all of your questions. What else would you like me to say?
>At what point would you not write them off as Jewish fabrications? I think the fact that it is a commonly held but largely silenced belief that people of the Jewish faith run the media and banking systems lends me the doubt as to the legitimacy of any sources claiming that this is not the case.
Ryan Ross
>I think the fact that it is a commonly held but largely silenced belief that people of the Jewish faith run the media and banking systems lends me the doubt as to the legitimacy of any sources claiming that this is not the case. So does that mean that there is no possible information you would accept that refutes this claim under any circumstance?
Hunter Reed
I would not know until I had read it.
Jose Peterson
>I would not know until I had read it. Well what about just an aspect of it? for instance the holocaust or behaviour of German Jews during WWI?
Cameron Perez
The Holocaust was meant as an extermination of the Jews presumably because they knew that if Jewry existed elsewhere that it would never go away. I am not sure about the behaviour of German Jews during WWI. You are free to provide me with a synopsis.
Bentley Davis
>>What else? >I believe I addressed all of your questions. What else would you like me to say? I was just wondering if architecture, visual art, and books, were the largest problems you see with the world, and morality I guess: I was asking are there any other problems?
Noah Anderson
Those are the main problems and I would assume they are quite important.
Justin Bailey
The idea was that during WWI the German defeat was in large part due to traitorous Jews who betrayed Germany and undermined the war effort by refusing to fight or at least not fighting on the front. A part of the stab in the back myth. However it came to an embarrassing end when the military actually went through its records (expecting to find evidence to confirm their view on disloyal Jews) and instead found that they had preformed well and loyally.
Easton Perez
I never claimed otherwise. The stab in the back myth is one promulgated in the Hitlerian system, which I do not give a toss about. I am an adherent of Christendom.
Justin Martinez
Well what is an aspect of your belief which you could see change based on hypothetical information.
Kevin Smith
This. Jesus Christ what kind of sophistry is this you pleb?!
Brody Roberts
yo you worship a blood god nigger
Bentley Reyes
The nature of certain members of the Jewish faith.
Chase Harris
t. conspiracy theorists
Cameron Diaz
I think you need to understand that Jewish people are beneficiaries of the current social order, and while the beneficiaries of a certain social order wish to perpetuate it, they aren't the sole factor that is to blame. There are a variety of social and technological revolutions that must be considered. If you continue down this path you will be a NRx level pseud wasting your time on inane conspiracy theories instead of understanding sociology and the history leading up to this situation. Books you need to read are: The Technological Society and Propaganda by Jacques Ellul, and The Managerial Revolution by James Burnham.
Anybody else in this thread convinced by this nincompoop's drivel needs to read the books I suggested instead of falling for pseudo-intellectual musings of an imbecile.
Evan Johnson
>Implying men do not conspire Why lump every single one of those differing views together and then use a denigrating term like that to put them all down?
Isaiah Foster
I think you know what type of person would do such a thing
Bentley Martin
There are so many of them - it must be a conspiracy.
Benjamin Jenkins
NSDAP wasn't that anti-masonic, actually. Franco, however, tried to eradicate them.
Isaac Robinson
While it's not completely true, it's largely true.
The Rockefeller syndicate was largely financed by the Kuhn-Loeb bank, a German bank managed by Jacob Schiff, a close associate of the Rothschild Family. And the Morgan Syndicate was deeply-enmeshed with English Finance, which, since the early 19th century, has been synonymous with Rothschild interests; the Morgan syndicate was part of the International Roundtable Groups, underwrote English bonds in the US, had joint-enterprises with English banks, wrote legislation with the consultation of the Warburg Family, another extension of the Rothschilds via Schiff. The Morgan and Rockefeller syndicates were the two defining forces in post-war epoch of American economic history and both of them were dependent on the financing, business-opportunities, networking, etc. of the Rothschilds and their associates. If you think that JP Morgan was such an independent and powerful man, you'd be suprised to learn that he died with only $19 million in securities in his estate after died. If he was the sole power of NYC Finance, where did it all go?
All of this is documented and verifiable, so there's no point in using disparaging language in protest.
Luke Green
Culture of Critique by Kevin B. MacDonald, obviously
Jaxon Scott
If I roll odds I'm going to hang myself tonight. Fingers crossed lads.
Jacob Long
Lmao what a (((pseud))). If you actually read the texts and look at the data you'd know that the Jews have been in control since AT LEAST the bronze age. Enjoy your little bugmen controlled opposition arguments while they last but Alex Jones qua super male anti-globalist will show you the error of your ways ((by force (he's already behind you)))
Juan Lewis
Forgot to post a picture but here he is in case you didn't know what a real man looks like
Samuel Lopez
>in a cult for mystical judaism >doesn't even know it >pretends like his baby rank in gayboytown makes him mayor of affairs o i am laffin
Gavin Parker
No, I don't recommend books to Freemason Jews who seek to blind my understanding of the world as it has come to be by claiming initiative behind some of the West's greater political shakeups. You cannot prove in any meaningful way that you are not one of them
