The only true Western countries are France and England.
Italy and Germany only have a partial understanding of Western civilisation. Italians only value the superficial and theatrical without understanding the deep and personal, and for Germans it's the other way around. And neither truly understands reason. In truth Italians and Germans both feel they are outsiders, and express it through violent rejection of French Western culture, as the Italians did through the anti-medieval reaction that was Renaissance Humanism, or the Germans did through the Reformation (and again many times later).
This is why whenever its cultural heart shifts away from France and England, the West plunges into chaos, division and barbarity. And when it returns to France and England, a new age of progress and civilisation begins.
Josiah Davis
get back to /int/ moron.
Joshua Williams
>Reformation
Logan Adams
That reminds me of Spengler's assessment, though he placed the heart of the West in Germany instead.
History seems to favor your version a lot more though.
Wyatt Martinez
Bring your ignorance out of here please
Daniel Robinson
Actually the only true Western country is Mongolia.
All the important people in the world can be traced back to Gengis Khan and Timur.
William Russell
>though he placed the heart of the West in Germany instead He didn't actually.
All the events and achievements he considers fundamental or quintessentially Western, at least the early ones (the Cluniac Reform, feudalism, the Crusades, Pope Sylvester II, Gothic architecture...) originate in France.
Although he is a German nationalist, and I'm not sure if he intentionally plays on the fact that most of his readers probably believed most of those things to be German. But he obviously didn't believe that. In fact it seems he saw Germany as being to France/England what Rome was to Greece, the outsiders who would end up ruling it all.
Adam Taylor
This is beyond inane. Please never post any stupid theories like this again.
Cooper Flores
He's right though.
Connor Barnes
Don't you have somewhere else to spam your pointless shitposts?
Landon Wood
>All the important people in the world can be traced back to Gengis Khan and Timur. >what was the roman empire >what was the greek city states and Alexander's empire >what was the carthaginian city states >what was the phoenician factories >what was Egypt
William Watson
love your useless shades of blue
Asher Green
That map makes no sense. What makes eastern Moravia "westernised" while western Moravia is "periphery"? And fucking Turkey is just as western as former Habsburg realm?
Aaron Gray
>>what was the roman empire >>what was the greek city states and Alexander's empire >>what was the carthaginian city states >>what was the phoenician factories >>what was Egypt All barbarians and not worth mentioning, wew.
Isaiah Carter
OP here, not my map and I don't agree with it in detail, but the general idea seems not too far off.
Noah Thomas
What makes Austria western core but Slovenia periphery, Slovenes live in same state as Austrians for 1000 years. Seems like European and Western civilization were made at the end of ww2, at least according to that map
Luis Richardson
No, it doesn't. If you think fucking Turkey is just as western as former Austria-Hungary you're a certified moron.
Connor Fisher
The whole world is Westernised. There's only so many shades of blue before a map becomes illegible.
Connor Wright
color shades on that map unfortunately dont make much sense
Grayson Morales
I think the point is that Austria-Hungary was western since day 1, while Turkey was non-western for its entire existence and only underwent forced westernization in the 1920s.
Chase Perry
I don't think Magyar raiders were very Western, nor are the Orthodox lands or those ruled by the Ottomans.
But I think the map goes by which regions have made significant contributions to Western civilisation.
Luis Edwards
>Magyar raiders >Austria Hungary
Jacob Nelson
Look up Hungary m8.
Dominic King
Really wow. Do you think germanic tribes were western or maybe celts in ireland 2000 years ago?
So language defines western clture
Also Netherlands are fucking epicenter of western culture, here is as western as corsica
Jayden Garcia
Lol, he actually things the three of us are samefags.
Justin Kelly
Austria Hungary got created in 1867.
Brandon Bailey
There are more colors than shades of blue, do you know it?
Jackson Nguyen
So? Does the map say anything about Austria-Hungary?
Stop being autistic, I already told you:
>But I think the map goes by which regions have made significant contributions to Western civilisation.
Fuck man this thread isn't even about the map, I should have posted tits instead.
Levi Edwards
Nah you're probably just all /pol/children.
Austin Robinson
>significant contributions to Western civilisation
So Belgium contributed more than Britain? lol
Jason Hughes
So explain to us how did Galicia contribute same to Western civilization as Netherlands
Elijah Long
Bitch please, Spain discovered and conquered the New World, and it dominated Europe throughout the Renaissance.
Hudson Harris
And that makes Galicia as western as birthplace of modern economy, religious liberalism and nationalism
>and it dominated Europe throughout the Renaissance and so did turkey, is western culture based on military?
also answer this you dumb fuck
Daniel Baker
This is a very common belief among people who do not know the difference between western culture and western capitalism.
Gabriel Adams
Yes Spain is Western you massive faggot, how is that even a debate?
Isaac Young
I love how the lines just arbitrarily go through Poland and Czechia. In Poland's case it's probably about former German borders which has fuck all to do with modern reality as those areas got completely ressetled by Poles. In the case of Czechia it makes no sense at all.
Nathan Green
>France >capitalism lolwut
Kayden Reyes
read carefully, as your map is clearly divided amongst region, I am asking you how are Corsica or Galicia (not spain) just as western as Netherlands also dont ignore Can you answer these or fuck off with you ms paint map
Brody King
It was were the bourgeoisie "revolution" against the aristocracy originated wasn't it?
Justin Perry
>Galicia (not spain) Fuck off retard.
How about you explain how Galicia isn't Western?
Camden Turner
>Spain >Western
Nolan Walker
>Galacia >Western
Jordan Miller
Europe ends at the Pyrenees
Ethan Hernandez
>this reading comprehension
so no, you cant answer them
Leo Torres
They mean Galicia in Ukraine
Carson Campbell
OP here, you're not talking to me, and I already said it's not my map. Going to ignore everyone who shitposts about the map now.
Sure, but it's where a lot of other things originated too. Western culture emerged in the Middle Ages, long before capitalism.
Easton Davis
What is Isambard Kingdom Brunel's connection?
David Campbell
>posts a pants on head retarded map >REEEE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE MAP !!!!
Way to blow yourself the fuck out
Jack Barnes
>reading is too hard >talk about pretty picture instead
It's not like your retarded "Spain is Africa" argument has any sort of merit, but I really don't care.
Jayden Cooper
He was Timur's distant relative.
Daniel Price
Then kindly post a picture that's not retarded. If I post a thread about elections in Uganda and attach a CP picture to it, what do you think people are gonna be talking about? Fucking retard.
Jackson Thompson
So what do you think of the Netherlands? They're pretty much an amalgamation of the brits and the french when it comes to being western.
Mason Howard
You got me there, doesn't mean this theory isn't still whack
Luke Jackson
Is this how some people unironically see Europe?
Hunter Martin
Yes.
Jaxson Sullivan
Define western civilization. When does it start?
Charles Gutierrez
> England anglo-saxon kek
Asher Lopez
If they do then they are fucking retard you cannot consider Europe without Greece and Spain
Jordan Parker
t. barbarian roman rape baby
Thomas Jackson
It seems like what Britain and the Netherlands have in common is actually Dutch influence in Britain. But the Netherlands and Flanders have always been quite close to France (or Burgundy).
Aiden Campbell
910 AD.
Jace Garcia
>Germans don't understand reason Goethe fuck outta here
Blake Russell
Western as we know it today is a post WWII concept used to denote the US and its European allies.
The West historically is a term that characterized European civilization as that of Christianity vs. Apostasy. In that sense, there's no such thing a "true" Western country.
Jordan Anderson
>those lines nice stealth Holy Roman Empire meme
Liam Fisher
Western Civilastion arguably owes more to Scotland and France than England and France.
t. enlightenment pro
Julian Collins
But Robert Grosseteste, Roger Bacon, Francis Bacon, William Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, and Charles Darwin.
Kayden Miller
>Lisbon >Westernmost capital city of continental Europe >Not western
Brody Ward
>All these people who don't know what Western means It is a fact that the West derives itself from Greco-Roman culture thus those countries whose history and culture are tied to the ancient Romans and Greeks are situated in the West. Everyone else is Westernized.
>Greece the bedrock of western civilization isn't a part of the western homeland
The west is as follows: France England Germany Italy Spain Portugal Greece Romania U.S. Canada Australia Latin America
Jason Gomez
>France is western homeland >not Greece or at least Italy Absolute fucking trash.
Carson Hernandez
>Latin America included in the West but Eastern Europe isn't Back to /int/, my man.
Daniel Scott
Should contain more Flanders and Holland desu.
Jack Rivera
You're confusing Western with Greco-Roman. Greco-Roman civilisation died some 2000 years ago.
Angel Garcia
>Dividing Czech republic, Poland, Spain, Britain and Portugal for no reason >Austria is Europe's core, Czech republic is not
mememap
Jace Ward
What good has ever come out of these countries that wasn't degeneracy?
Carter Myers
Frances Hutcheson, David Hume, Adam Smith, James Watt, James Hutton, Adam Ferguson, Joseph Black, Robert Burns, James Clerk Maxwell, John Logie Baird, Alexander Fleming
Darwin was educated in Scotland by the way
Ayden James
>Mezzogiorno >"Its different in the South"
hahahaha what the fuck kind of simplistic map is this shit.
Benjamin Hall
He even included Romania on there, it's pure bait.
Lucas Sanders
All those are overrated.
Ethan Kelly
I'll give you Maxwell and Fleming.
Jeremiah Gomez
>I'll give you the man that found mould in a jar but not the father of economics, the father of geology, the father of sociology or the father of industry good meme
Leo Thomas
Which of them is overrated? All titans of their respective fields.
Mason Campbell
>the Reformation as a violent rejection of French Western culture
Leaving aside the fact that you omit that the English and parts of the French also took part in said "rejection", can you offer any explanation for that claim? Looks like you're just looking for things to support your narrative, without having actually reasonable arguments for it
Charles Cruz
Can we all agree on this map?
Wyatt Brown
Spain should be Green , if anything Portugal was more western, they were bigger but piggybacked of Portuguese success
Juan Green
>Czech republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia >in the same cathegory as fucking Bulgaria
Gavin Reyes
The English have no culture and France is where all our modern degeneracy originated from.
Adrian Miller
Ireland, scandi's and Netherlands the same tier?
Justin Brooks
>Le no culture meme >Le degenaracy meme
Angel Adams
Are you that one guy who used the same image to illustrate his argument that Western civilisation = French civilisation ?
James Powell
>economics >sociology >industry
All those are memes, not sciences.
Grayson Jones
>English and parts of the French also took part in said "rejection" You know which parts of France did? The South and a few merchant cities, which wanted independence from France.
I don't really see what you want me to explain though, isn't it obvious that the Reformation was a violent rejection of Catholicism? For fuck's sake, Protestants murdered priests, burned witches and books, and defaced art all over the place.
Jose Gonzalez
You are the memelord here. I suggest you look up the definition of science.
Mason Green
None of those things follow the scientific method. Economics and sociology are literally just a bunch of cults fighting over their superstitious beliefs.
Joseph Powell
Okay so now I suggest you read a work of economy or sociology, because they do follow the scientific method. Maybe you could argue about the social imaginary, which conclusions are sometimes a bit stretched, but even then they base their theories on actual observations and statistics.
Jacob Lopez
something tells me he wasn't serious
Levi Torres
add fyrom and kosovo to the benelux, b&h (not a country cathegory)
Christian Sullivan
also add greece to not western (african) while you're at it OP
Ayden Hill
>we wuz western civilizations and shit Fuck off baguette.
Parker Nguyen
>Although he is a German nationalist, and I'm not sure if he intentionally plays on the fact that most of his readers probably believed most of those things to be German How? By subscribing to the Franks = Germans mythos?
Cameron Turner
>tfw brittany gets two quotes, but scotland isn't even mentioned in a derogatory manner.