Economic illiterate here and want to know what are serious disadvantages of...

farquit
farquit

economic illiterate here and want to know what are serious disadvantages of leaving brexit .i know about whole uncertainity in financial markets but still know not enough real issues that make bad mood for investors

anyone can provide real economic argument?

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/10/britain-and-eu-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Functioning_of_the_European_Union
Inmate
Inmate

@farquit
shameless selfbump

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

EU requires companies to be based in the euro zone

which is now not the UK

Emberfire
Emberfire

@farquit
Besides a short term reorganization, it should be beneficial once they renegotiate trade deals which WILL happen. EU fees were larger than the supposed benefits.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Poker_Star
yeah, the EU won't buy anything that came from a company outside europe.

retard

w8t4u
w8t4u

Market is currently dumping pound thanks to a chain reaction - Uncertainty causes some investors to reinvest, forcing the value down and additional investors (even if they are or confident in brexit) to reinvest on top of this.

Tariffs may be higher on UK exports, but deals will definitely be renegotiated by the EU, even if the EU is in the position of power
This should be balanced out due to the fact that the UK is now more free to trade internationally

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberfire
EU fees were larger than the supposed benefits.
supposed

This whole LEAVE campaign was done on a single word with no proof.
Even the numbers they spat out were proven lies.

I can't wait to see this shithole die.
I'm out.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fuzzy_Logic
It would

But it has to be cheaper or better than something produced within the EU

Which wont be the case for Britain

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperGod
a unified europe under germany is good guys
of course these uneducated negroes will contribute, it's not like any work they can do will be obsolete in 5-10 years time
What do you mean these muslins protesting in favor of sharia in the UK are terrorists? are you a bloody rascist lad?
c'mom guys, you are only paying for a million new people, it's not like much will change, they even bring us culture, we never had any to begin with right? ;^)

okay

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@FastChef
bascially muh feels and memes argument

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@FastChef
All leave supporters seem to have a fixation on Muslims.

Just admit that you're pro-brexit because you hate sandniggers, not because of any economic knowledge.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SniperGod
You seem very angry. Are you euro politcan or something?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Crazy_Nice
who wouldn't hate sandniggers and muslims? they are fucking ruining france and uk. but the bigger gain for exit will be economic gain, you will see within a year how well they are doing

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Crazy_Nice
Pretty much this. Leave the /pol/ shit in /pol/. I come to Veeky Forums to talk money.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Crazy_Nice
@CodeBuns
Just admit that you're pro-brexit because you hate sandniggers

but i never denied that my good friend

And i don't see how having 1-2 million low skilled people pushing the wages down and cost of living up in the short term, to them become an unemployed, uneducated and raging mob that struggles with english that needs to be provided for in the "medium term" of 10 years isn't economic reason enough

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TalkBomber
bawwwwwwww immigrants are coming and pushing my low-skill wages down
sucks to be a member of the white underclass then faggot.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Deadlyinx
jokes on you, i'm not even british

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sharpcharm
Then why do you care so much about refugees?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TalkBomber

wait, so you think Brexit is about deporting musloms or something? are you retarded?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@FastChef
Da evil EU is bringing in da mooslimes!!!
I don't think it was the EU that brought all those Pakistanis to Britain.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
Caring about national sovereignty, controlling your own borders, and not getting cucked by EU overlords when you try to deport a convicted terrorist and 8 years later he is still there.
Care so much about refugees

Pick one

DeathDog
DeathDog

@LuckyDusty
None of that has anything to do with the EU.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberfire
nope, i do believe they won't be accepting 300k a year anymore though, and not paying for them too. I also believe a country should be ruled by laws made by their people and for their people, not this bullshit one size fits all thing.

@Burnblaze
well, i actually like europe, and i would very much like to travel it again without being jumped or killed. My own "multicultural" country is more than enough of living in fear of walking at night and having reinforced houses with multiple layers of expensive security systems so you are not killed by niggers

Both of you are right that i have no economic reasons to back it now, aside from the whole paying for them forever thing, but i do believe there are some things worth more than money

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@DeathDog
they literally fined poland for not accepting refugees man

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@LuckyDusty
/pol/cucks are always obsessively going on and on about refugees, immigrants and muslims as if those are the only things that exist in the world

So yes, you do very much care about refugees.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TalkBomber
That's because, as you said yourself, you don't understand economics. Why do you think every serious economist and business leader was anti-brexit? You just voted for an economic recession and political instability.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

come to Veeky Forums to see if I made a mistake on my vote
shitposting just like /pol/ and /int/

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@eGremlin
It's not about money dude, it's about economic stability. And frankly, this sets a bad precedent for other to leave the EU, creating more economic instability. What causes wars? Economic instability.

farquit
farquit

@Nojokur
To be honest, serious economists do not know what happens next, either. Markets are down due to uncertainty/fear. Nobody knows what the long term effects will be.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Sir_Gallonhead
what causes wars? Jews.
ftfy

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@eGremlin
well, i actually like europe, and i would very much like to travel it again without being jumped or killed. My own "multicultural" country is more than enough of living in fear of walking at night and having reinforced houses with multiple layers of expensive security systems so you are not killed by niggers

so you're autistic?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@farquit
this

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

portfolio is down 6% (mostly us stocks with few british ones)
wow its fucking nothing

I didnt think britain will vote out but I was wrong and thank g-d for that. I am confident that once massive remainer hysteria fades economy will come back with a boom and even reach new heights

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sir_Gallonhead
don't get me wrong man, as much as i love war games, i agree with you that it's a bad thing, but i believe it won't even reach the same heights as the 2008 crisis.

My case against the EU is exclusively that a nation can be subjected to the opinions of others and have it's soreveingnity usurped with complete disregard to it's culture and beliefs

i am sincerely hoping for a EU dissolution and the creation of a new economic block that, instead of trying to become a new superstate, actually stays focused on the economy, leaving the countrys and it's people to decide on their own futures

Evilember
Evilember

@lostmypassword
it's funny because you proved his point, re: economic instability in interwar germany

i can never tell who's legitimately /pol/tarded and who's just shitposting these days though, fucking poe's law

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Sir_Gallonhead
Good. War is cool. Maybe Europe can be great again.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Deadlyinx
Nah mate, it sounds like he's South African.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Fuzzy_Logic
Buy what exactly? Tons of tea?

Methshot
Methshot

@Ignoramus
War is cool. Maybe Europe can be great again.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@farquit

Economist here

Long-term:

Less access to European markets, which are geographically proximate and currently represent the UK's main trade partners
Less access to EU benefits for conducting scientific research
Less labor mobility with European countries for UK nationals who may want to work or study in the continent (yes, migration works both ways and will have negative long term consequences for Whites)
Uncertainty regarding the internal stability of the UK given the possibility of a Scottish secession
High probability of a lower long run GDP growth rate

Short and medium term:

Decrease in investment due to uncertainty regarding what happens next and on how will the exit process be carried out
Recession because of the above

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TreeEater
This is all fucking obvious mate, high school homework tier. Might as well have studied philosophy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Evilember
the economy didn't put Germany in ww2. Churchhill did with his warmongering.
btw /pol/tarded and shitposting is the same thing.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@VisualMaster

Kek, it is.

I can understand why some voted for Brexit (because muh fucking immigrants), but this was the dumbest way possible to deal with it

farquit
farquit

@Need_TLC
but this was the dumbest way possible to deal with it

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@King_Martha
Seriously? Anything that complies with EU standards. Chile, Argentina, Brazil, they all export fruits, vegetables, pork, meat... Britain only has to comply with it to sell them.

The thing is that they are no longer bound to the EU production limits, which can mean lower quality products for sell that wasn't available before or same quality but different trade partners outside EU. A mixture of both is also a possibility. At this stage is all speculation

TreeEater
TreeEater

Lost sleep, pound will never recover, UK will be a 3rd world island come 2 years from now.

They knew they wouldn't let us go unwounded.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Need_TLC
Never heard of sovereignty or making your own laws? its not all about immigrants (although that didn't help the remain argument)
Freedoms not free and some people are willing to pay for it if needed. Not everyone uses GDP as the only measure of whether somethings worth doing.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

tfw gold futures

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Emberfire
I agree with this user. The EU as a trading union is fine, its all the bullshit political integration and diktats from Brussels that needs chucking under the bus. As for the Euro a common currency for countries with such different economies was never a good idea theres a reason countries should be able to change their rates depending on their needs. One size fits all doesn't work.

idontknow
idontknow

@Need_TLC
fuck man, me too. I wanted to know what could be some real economic predictions but all the threads are hijacked by fucking /pol/ retards. What the fuck man?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Nojokur

Honestly, the EU limits to British sovereignty are rather... Low.

If anything, I can see the UK (or England and Wales, if Scotland and NI leave the UK) going back to the EU in 15 years or so. After all, young people tended to support remain on polls, and are the ones who stand more to gain.

I can also see the EU being profoundly reformed after this. It is, indeed, a mess after all.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
claims to be an economist

offers nothing of value

okay

StonedTime
StonedTime

@King_Martha
The political bullshit is because of the trading m8. Seperating the two is nonsense.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@RumChicken

Implying the economic effects aren't straightforward
Implying other economists haven't been saying the same

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StonedTime
Hurr durr EU doesn't trade with anyone outside EU, USA doesn't trade with anyone outside USA. Theres absolutely no need for a political union for trading. (And we're crashing this union with no survivors)

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SniperWish
More like 20+

Current elders need to die first, but it depends on what Cameron, if he stays in office, negotiates with EU in the next 2 years and what Britain manages to do about its own industry

But if Cameron is a fox he could establish some workaround to get back without fuss, which doesn't seems likely due to inherent instability (getting in and out periodically is retarded)

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Garbage Can Lid
That's because the union was not for trading, but Integration.

The trading partners stage was a step before the union. If anything, EU itself fucked hard since they didn't expect for a country to actually invoke article 50 and GTFO.

idontknow
idontknow

@farquit
uncertainity affects investor money and thats something to be afraid of

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TreeEater
can you elaborate on first effect i.e less access to european markets? many people think trade will be still the same after renegotiations of contracts but there are no proves as well

btw thanks for nice response

DeathDog
DeathDog

@farquit
Is now a good time to buy stocks? The vote has markets "tumbling" so things should be cheap now and the markets will eventually recover, making a profit. Have I got the basics of stocks?

I'm obviously not going to buy stocks, just want to know if this is the sort of situation that those people in the city take advantage of in their get-rich-quick schemes.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Garbage Can Lid
every other country which trade with eu pays more tariffs than member of eu

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@DeathDog
the whole art is to know when it is bottom and it isnt now for sure

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Garbage Can Lid
Meh, I don't think it will be as bad as people think. This is going t take years to sort out, in the mean time we are still in the EU and the markets will eventually get bored with panicking.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@DeathDog

Sure.

Parts of the perks that come along with EU membership is that all members enter into a customs union with each other (think about it like a FTA + all countries negotiate new trade agreements as a bloc). Once the UK tells the other EU members it will GTFO, it will have to negotiate with the rest of the bloc if it can remain in the customs union, which is itself far from clear - there is a real possibility that Germany and France tell them to fuck off as punishment for leaving, and to deter other countries from doing so.

If the UK leaves the customs union, then their trade would be regulated by WTO regulations and it would have no preferential access to European markets in the way it does now. As such, the EU could for instance set tariffs on imports from the UK.

takes2long
takes2long

@haveahappyday
but investors opinion on england will be painful ,standard and poor have already said that they can forget about aaa rating. which will have other consequences .UK cant grow without investors

idontknow
idontknow

This whole thread
what is the EFTA
what are EU regulations
If Britain can come out of speculation on the pound without hyperinflation, it should come out in much better shape than it came in

Bidwell
Bidwell

@idontknow
but england can forget about efta as minister schlaube said there will be no single market for england because brexit meant leaving europe at all
of course tariffs arent the only problem for england rn

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

faggots woke into reality today and panicked when they voted for #Brexit the day before

what a load of plebs

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

the US now outweighs the entire EU in nominal GDP
laughing my ass off here m80s

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

le economy babbies
thinking brexit is about economy
It's about sovereignty. Freedom ain't free.

farquit
farquit

@Flameblow
what you are describing is the beginnings of a trade war and one that Briton can probably weather better than the EU with the exports decreasing towards the EU while imports makeing up more. And given how France has no bone to pick and Germany stands to lose money for pride, I doubt it would happen.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@farquit
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says

they will have to pay tariffs and i am not pretty sure but eu members wont

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Emberfire
unlikely. Juden is very invested in making exit undesirable for the rest of EU. They will do what they can to keep UK's economy down for as long as necessary.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nojokur
What of the opinions of the working class who most directly feels the effect of a restricted economy?

The entire post-victory rhetoric from the salty losers consists of champaign socialists showing their true colors: utter disdain for the "uneducated" working class they ostensibly fight for.

The orthodox economists controlling public policy have been a tool towards the state's welfare - not the economy's - since Keynes. Stop watching pop "intellectuals" on the TV and try reading actual texts.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@farquit

Indeed, though it would be limited in the sense that WTO regulations help to curb them - neither the EU nor the UK will leave the WTO over their feud, if it comes to that.

Either way it is bad news... I agree that, ultimately, this is not about a narrow economic issue but about national identity (though it should be noted that national identity and everything that goes along with it could be considered to be a public good, if analyzed economically). Yet, it will certainly have economic consequences, and it is also hard to believe the same would have happened if the EU economy was working well (delivering on its promises for growth and prosperity).

hairygrape
hairygrape

The UK main source of income comes from Scotland which will vote to leave the UK. England and Wales don't produce shit and it main industry is financial services. Which is in talks of moving to Dublin or Amsterdam. The UK won't have the upper deal in trade deals. They will have to follow the needs of the other trade partner. China is very happy because they get to have a discount in trade deals from now on. The UK citizen income will drop significantly. You've made the Americans look smart, which is a feat in of itself.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@idontknow

GBP stabilizes a bit less than before
Stock markets in the UK aren't awful but continental European Markets are gassing themselves
UK will have the shitstick in upcoming trade negotiations
UK can't alter anything the EU drafts since no more MEPs

Sovereignty = Regained
Finances = Mixed Bag; looks bleak but not armageddon tier
Socially = No More Poles

I voted Leave btw. Country before Money.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Emberfire
this

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Deadlyinx
guess u have never seen a muslim irl

they are worse than cancer

Soft_member
Soft_member

Any thoughts on how long it will take for the GBP might bounce back?

Inmate
Inmate

@Soft_member
What do you mean 'Bounce back'? It's at February rates atm. It's hardy fucking worthless still pretty fucking strong.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

anti /pol/ rhetoric
on Veeky Forums

wtf is happening? fucking jews on this board everywhere

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

It's good for industries that other EU countries had a stronghold on. It's bad for banking, but fuck banking.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Inmate
I mean compared to the Australian dollar. £1 currently = roughly $1.83 AUD, It was around $2 around February

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Poker_Star
but UK isn't (well, wasn't) in the eurozone...? In the EU, yes, but they didn't participate in the single-currency European market in that way

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Gigastrength
Jews
On shekel based board
Yonder why

idontknow
idontknow

@RumChicken
What have you offered, you fuck?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Need_TLC
kys Merkel

enjoy running your globalist superstate without us

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Emberfire
@Lord_Tryzalot

Actualy if they manage to renegotiate trade deals comparable to the Norway model it will cost more.
Norway is already paying almost the same amount a full EU membership would have cost to get access to the market. If the UK would pay the same percentage wise while also losing the rebate it currently enjoys it would mean it would actually pay alot more than the current combined fee.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SniperGod
The campaign itself wasn't exactly based in fact, but nor was remain. They dumb it down for the voters. The background behind it is logical however - a renewed national sovereignty, control over their own immigration and trade, no more payouts to the EU for their failing members defaulting on loans and debts, and perhaps no more need to consider the effect on the Euro of any central bank activity relating to the pound.

Scotland might attempt to vote itself out of the UK but since oil prices are so low it would immediately go bankrupt if it attempted to do so, once they realise that and once the UK renegotiates trade deals with both the EU and the rest of the word, stability will return and the UK will be much better off. It may remain part of the EEA. Switzerland and Norway function perfectly fine outside of the EU, if not better than their neighbours, so to act as if the EU hasn't been failing in practice for a while is unwise.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Dreamworx
It might not be free but that doesn't make it any less of a stupid ideology. A fucking ludicrous one too, considering the Queen is head of state of multiple le other states. And considering she (an unelected official) has to approve the next PM

@farquit
You forget that Britain doesn't export anything tangible anymore. If banking leaves London it's game over
hope it moves to Dublin

@Crazy_Nice
They don't fight for the working class, they try to keep them in check. Someone has to.

@hairygrape
He knows. Also the north sea is on the cusp of a technological revolution - soon as the price rises they will be making a fortune there

@Booteefool
the Empire is dead. Long live the Empire.

@Sharpcharm
Ha. Suckers.

It's not like it was even a landslide victory. 38%voted leave, 34% voted stay and 28% were lazy Smucks. I reckon that's 38% who will be vilified for the next 10 years (and who weren't doing themselves any favours up until now, bunch of Fuckin Daily Mail reading knuckledraggers)

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Crazy_Nice
As probably stated, if the UK chooses to stay in the EEA (which is likely) it may still have to have some degree of immigration agreement with the EU.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TreeEater
what grade did you get in real analysis?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Deadlyinx
Yeah well you cunts should probably give more of a shit about the white underclass before the white underclass actually physically hurts you and not your wallet one day
This was that wake up call. You can choose to bury your head in the sand if you wish

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@DeathDog
north sea
You mean the future Arctic shipping routes and resource extractions? If so, Scotland will become new Norway. Ireland might increase it GDP with financial companies looking to headquarter their European divisions.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Gigastrength

Topkek

Bro, you don't need to believe the EU works perfectly and needs no changes whatsoever to realize this is a decision most of the British population will come to regret.

@StrangeWizard

Le RA meme

Oh, a fellow econbro, I guess.

I didn't do RA, I don't have a PhD. I did learn the topology one needs to know for PhD micro in my MSc math camp (which was basically the first two years of a PhD), though. I'm not in academia and don't think I'll go that way anytime soon.

RumChicken
RumChicken

every left wing shill in the world has suddenly become an economists with expert tier knowledge

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Booteefool

I heard btw that Britain has now gained the opportunity to larger trading options in the Commonwealth trade market but that could be a double edged sword as well. And also Europe has secured deals with the Commonwealth of their own. As I stated before I don't really have a fair amount of modern economic knowledge, but as a historian I do tend to think of developments in the long run, this Brexit doesn't feel like a good choice desu. People in the UK were definitely manipulated.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/10/britain-and-eu-3

RumChicken
RumChicken

I'm still highly skeptical that the UK will leave the EU, the next few months are critical and I'll believe it when I see it, what most people outside of the UK don't realise is it wasn't even just about the EU, it was a large portion of the population being constantly ignored by our own politicians and making a point of it

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Gigastrength
@Lord_Tryzalot
@Boy_vs_Girl
pretending like we haven't been called /biz/raeli since the dawn of time
hi /pol/

King_Martha
King_Martha

Good for Britain. The EU is scum.

girlDog
girlDog

Scots planning to leave UK
I wonder what this means to RBS. The poll would probably go for the favor of leavers too.

What do you think happens to Royal bank of scotland?

farquit
farquit

@girlDog
They go bankrupt and have nothing to offer for real trade. Spain and Belgium and shit veto No when they try to get in the EU. Britain makes them dance while shooting at their feet to get back in.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@girlDog

The leave campaign would get btfo now with oil prices what they are, even with the butthurt about the EU I can't see them leaving, it would be a major political battle too as Scotland doesn't have the right to secede from the UK without the UK government approval

Inmate
Inmate

@girlDog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Can someone exactly explain how the EU works economy wise? What do the brits lose exactly? How many trade agreements and economic policies within the EU will be now terminated?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@haveahappyday

Check here, Mr user

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Functioning_of_the_European_Union

FastChef
FastChef

@Supergrass

Thanks

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@DeathDog
They don't fight for the working class,
Uh huh. They just call themselves Labor as a joke.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@LuckyDusty
Burger King isn't the king of burgers
they just call themselves that as a joke.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@farquit
- European HQ branches of companies moves to Ireland from UK. Ireland is part of EU and they speak English.
- UK has to pay fee to get a access to the EU market and they have to accepted EU terms and regulations. This is why Swiss gets cucked so much by Germany.
- UK has no leverage against bigger and stronger economical countries,example: they have to accepted American TTIP to get access to the US market.
- London losses financial market, they will likley move to Frankfurt. Frankfurt, Paris gains more importance in the financial sector.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@King_Martha
Ftse 250 lost 7,5%. Ftse250 is tight to the European market.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TalkBomber
I want to see when those low skilled people are replaced by the british, and they start bitching about low wages.The wages go up, the money has less value, and you come cry about why monies worth nothin

RavySnake
RavySnake

@DeathDog
A fucking ludicrous one too, considering the Queen is head of state of multiple le other states. And considering she (an unelected official) has to approve the next PM
It's sort of different though since England conquered or created those other countries, and she all her powers are basically symbolic now anyway.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Flameblow

The White Dominions are already owned by America.

This leaves only Sub-Saharan Shitskins and Desis.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@LuckyDusty
I have no response

WebTool
WebTool

/pol/ hijacking this thread again with their ignorance. GTFO this board, this is real talk, not about immigration or any other fantasies.

We talk money here.

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