This is why you buy

doctored images to seem liek wothy knwoedlge sources?

>since 2008
Um, the data set here goes back to 1871. Fuck off with your grade-school 8 year market analysis. It's both wrong and inapplicable.

>you don't want to bet both your investments and your paycheck on the same company
Good advice. Also pay attention to HOW they calculate the pricing. They don't sell it to you at the current market price minus 20%. They'll use an average price looking back something like 90 days or more. If there has been big moves in the price, then even the discounted price may be bad.

>doctored images to seem liek wothy knwoedlge sources?
Well, the data comes from Robert Shiller, the Yale professor who happens to be a Nobel Laureate and one of the leading economists and financial researchers in the world. It's also public information, considering it's the S&P 500 we're talking about here.

Whether that counts as "wothy knwoedlge" I'll leave to you,. user.

I'm not saying your data is wrong. What I am saying is that the current market is inflated from central bank manipulation since 2008. All time highs are fake and shouldn't be seen as a good investment now.
>Bears will be bears.

thanks as well; I will have to read about it when I get to work....most of the intranet has to be viewed on company computers

>All time highs are fake
Markets trade at or near all-time highs on 25% of ALL trading days, historically speaking for last 80 years. For you to claim that current market levels are "inflated" belies the fact that the natural state of the market is rising. Since 1926, equity markets have risen in 65 of 90 years. That has nothing to do with "central bank manipulation."

History didn't begin in 2008, and bankers aren't conspiring against you. If you want to be pessimistic about the markets -- despite ALL available evidence to the contrary -- that's fine. But keep the /pol/ and /x/ bullshit off this board.

Are those 25% of all trading days the result of central banks injecting liquidity into the markets? Is that after 10 years of QE and negative interest rates?

Can you provide to Veeky Forums why these actions are not only ethical, but also sustainable for the timeline that you have projected from last historical returns?

We in the US time heals all wounds.

the Asian and European markets go back longer, why not use their data.

than bears are right 25% of the time.

The best time to make sure you're getting good prices is during a down market.

>all time highs are fake
remember all the articles about $100 barrels of oil when it first happened
they said one guy bought like 10 just to be the first ever; and he paid like 14 dollars above market value just so that there would be an article about it

and now we're only dealing with cheap oil because of the iran deal

>Is that after 10 years of QE
QE in the US ran from 2009-2014, so approximately 5 years total.

You're a fucking idiot, and not worth more of my time. Come back when you get some basic knowledge about the markets and stop parroting /pol/ memes.

>than bears are right 25% of the time
That's a pretty shitty track record. Thanks for proving my point.

>Hmm, would I rather follow the strategy that's 100% successful in the long-run, or 25% successful in the short-run?

I'm not disagreeing with you. We should be in the markets. And indices are pretty goat.

> would I rather?
depends on the returns, and the risk.

tastytrade.com/tt/shows/from-theory-to-practice/episodes/the-short-side-stocks-bonds-06-20-2016

if the short returns are >4x the returns of being long, than it still makes sense to be short if you can hold the position.

>if the short returns are >4x the returns of being long, than it still makes sense to be short if you can hold the position.
Fair point, but history says it's just a hypothetical. bear markets tend to be brief and have notably smaller valleys than the peaks of their bull brethren.

QE is still ongoing in Europe. Because otherwise the euro goes bye bye and all of southern europe goes bankruptcy.

Actually, yesterday was when you buy; but you're in the right ballpark.

god the day that UK separates from the EU is going to be baaaaaaaaad

the definitions in your chart are a little screwy.

Peak to Trough even the most severe moves in the Market run to 50% haircuts.

Your chart is starting the "bear market" after the 20% haircut.

You're discounting 40% of the move.

Of course the Ups are going to be bigger than the downs if you measure it like that.

Do you have this same chart at a more reasonable say 5%.

I don't think so. The only reason it tanked last Friday is because the "smart money" guessed wrong on Brexit and had to scramble to cut their losses.

Once people get used to the idea, Brexit won't have any more effect on the market as a whole (though it will to certain individual stocks)

Yeah, unless your company is a real dog.

Read the fine print. In mine I get the discount, and when an allocation is made I get a period of time ( within a year I think) I am garenteed to get at least the discount price I paid for it. So little risk.

Only downside is its a pain in the ass, specifically at tax time.

did your employer send you any form so that you can submit the information in your income taxes?

h-hi hi. Question: what if I want to retire and enjoy wealth before I'm 65 years old? What I don't want 45 years of wageslavery?

It doesn't matter. Shills are literally coming in and saying "Everything is fine, buy, buy, buy".

Notice how the user didn't address the implications of central banks and their market liquidity. The user even had the audacity to say QE stoped in 2014, and inferring our markets are organic and healthy.

>the day that UK separates from the EU
There's no such thing.

The day the UK declares Article 50 may be bad. Everything else is a years-long process.

The definitions are the same for both directions. At worst, the chart is a simplification because it assumes a binary condition (bear/bull). But for what it shows, it's fair and accurate,

>What I don't want 45 years of wageslavery?
Kneepads. You'll get there, $5 at a time.

Stop samefagging in every thread. Using different IDs just makes you come across as a desperate faggot.

>phone, tablet, multiple pcs and different means of internet access through out the day...

Would you prefer I tripfag since you're so caught up on which ID is me?

you're still in denial I see... won't address the multi-trillion dollar CB elephant in the room

Post IDs are based on IP, not devices. Stop pretending you're anything but a samefagging NEET who pirates the neighbor's wifi in order to shitpost on Veeky Forums.

>stocks

What is this 1994

>and different means of internet access through out the day...

deny, deny, deny you central banking shill!!!

Try that on the jap market

Fair and accurate. No You're artificially timing the market and increasing the returns while understating the risk.

"A bull market is measured from the lowest close, after the market has fallen 20% or more."

You're painting the very bottom. like 3 people in the world might get the bottom price. the chart tells a fucked up story.

25% all time highs. That's only when they were 100% right. Markets can fall from any point not just all time highs.
Markets movement is 50/50, and arguably with your drift 47/53
so you get a 6% edge being long for 40 years.

You can increase your edge significantly by timing the top and bottom quintiles of price.

There were two successful traders in Ben Grahams book, the professional and the passive.

What is survivorship bias?

Are you serious coming into a buy-and-hold thread and suggesting that market timing works? That's some serious edge, user.

Do your homework.