Who else is trying to salvage a nearly useless degree? second year undergrad...

whereismyname
whereismyname

When you realize your highschool career counselors advice was worth utter shit, just look at where he ended up
Who else is trying to salvage a nearly useless degree? second year undergrad international relations here, Should i just transfer over to commerce and start over? What areas of commerce will have opportunities in 3 years?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@whereismyname
international relations
oh shit nigga, wtf are you doing?

why is it so common among kids today to study stuff with fancy names? Just stick to the clsssics, for fucks sake. You get a more general approach + future employers have a clue about what exactly you've learned.
Specialised knowledge can be obtained through self-teaching later, don't need courses for that.

what should i say, try again m8, better late than never.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Nude_Bikergirl
Because I enjoy learning about the ways in which countries worked together and always wanted to have some kind of job in counter terrorism

Now i know that getting finding good employment is a struggle in the first place, let a lone being picky about where

massdebater
massdebater

@whereismyname

learn a language, change to engineering. Go into high level sales with an amazing dual degree.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@massdebater
wouldnt commerce/IR be better for high level sales?
Learn another language
Doing this is a required part of IR at my uni

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@whereismyname
what uni friend?
@massdebater
This. Eng/commerce master race.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@LuckyDusty
Currently Australian National Uni but my grades are good enough to transfer anywhere really

What makes Commerce/eng so good exactly? Does chinese go well with it?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
I assume by Chinese you mean orange (im joking calm down). Chinese would go great with any international firm or any investing kind of shenanigans.

What makes it so good?
Engineering
-quantitative ability
-ability to get your head around difficult concepts
-ability to do all nighters cuz engineering in 4th and 5th year (if u do commerce with engineering) is intense
Commerce advantages
-Understand business functions
-you would know your major pretty well.
-Generic broad subject, flexible career choices

Complementary areas.
So many retards get commerce degrees, commerce degrees are easy....real easy, engineering is not easy, and it impresses people when you say you are studying it.
Aside from the advantages listed above when going for some high finance job in the city, it's impressive, not every wannabee IB'er, advisor, CA etc holds an engineering degree (alot do though) as well as the quantitative skills you possess.
Also, alot of engineers go in to project management. Having a solid understanding in finance and/or accounting would be looked upon really positively if you were to take on management.

ANU is a solid uni, and you will be favoured above your UTS, Canberra, Macquarie, Newcastle etc.

WARNING: Do NOT do engineering because of the promise of money, job stability etc. So many people can't even get through the 1st year simply because it's not for them. There is nothing wrong with that, most engineering students can't do Law because they simply just aren't that person.

Source: Engineering Student.

Bidwell
Bidwell

If I could turn a psych degree into a data science career, you should be able to do fine, OP.

Do what other anons say and learn a technical skill or language. Befriend profs and volunteer to be their grunt worker, usually pays off.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Bidwell
OP knows Lemon (Chinese) so he is all good in that department. I would recommend he do engg/comm. I could imagine Psych/commerce being good for HR work, industrial organisation etc.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nude_Bikergirl
What are the classics? Thinking about aerospace engineering here

massdebater
massdebater

@AwesomeTucker
I think me means closely job related stuff like Law, business, STEM
Fields that have employment basically

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@whereismyname

I dont even remember what he said

Soft_member
Soft_member

If you studied IR, try and get into recruitment. It's hellish drudgery, but it pays well and they love IR/Law/Politics types.

You could get into risk, if you went somewhere good enough. Options are still open.

5mileys
5mileys

@Nude_Bikergirl
lots of people working in think tanks and political oriented marketing firms have IR degrees

My brother has one and he's doing quite well for himself in marketing, he used to be the chief of staff for a state senator.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@5mileys
Isnt a certain level of nepotism always necessary for jobs like that?
I'm not a friendless autist or anything, it just seems like there aren't relatives of anyone important in my cohort.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@AwesomeTucker
He means don't pick degrees with new, "innovative", "modern" names and content.

If you go to uni to do business, commerce, engineering/STEM, law, psychology people understand what you are learning.

If you go to uni and do global business or human science or something other that's kind of unknown, no employers will want to hire you.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PurpleCharger
Not him but how do you know if engineering isnt for you?
I did calculus scholarship classes in high and passes, chemistry scholarship classes abd passed but i never passed physics because i had a bad teacher the first year and gave up because itd be too hard after that first year

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@MPmaster
It's not for you.

If you were the engineering type you would have got good marks in physics regardless of your teacher.

I haven't got below a distinction at uni and I have gone to about 10% of my lectures. You could have learned physics by yourself.

Passing isn't good enough, you need to noticeably well so that way you are capable of doing the specialized stuff in your final year.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TurtleCat
You're retarded if you actually believe that

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@CodeBuns
Can't pass high school physics
Expects to pass engineering tier physics, let alone a specialised area of engineering which is just physics.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Emberburn
psychology
Even educated people don't understand what you learn. Most think you're a psychiatrist and the rest just talk about that one into class they took about freud and how babies are stupid. They don't know about designing quantitative tests and measures, analyzing massive amounts of statistical data, poking holes in studies, or any the ethically grey shit you do in the name of SCIENCE.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@whereismyname
Dont be a cuck.

Commerce(Finance)/Computer Science Double Degree at UNSW or B.Commerce and M. Software Engineering at Melbourne

You will be a wizard and rule the world.

Inmate
Inmate

@Supergrass
Psychology
Science
No.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@cum2soon
I thought you could only do commerce/arts, education or music at UNSW?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@massdebater

Law
Stable employment

I guess you haven't heard yet, huh?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@whereismyname
Welcome to the crab bucket mentality. The good news is, you haven't graduated yet, so there's still time to take some math & comp sci courses and get a real degree.

just do what you want, let your passion become your career blah blah

It's good you realize this is bullshit; if your interests generate real transferable skills that make you money, all the power to you. However, it's not likely that Gaia online and animu watching are going to get you employed, so if you want to be able to fund your hobbies, you need to be able to make money somehow, typically by producing something.

Your guidance counselor is working of the "I did what I wanted in college, and things turned out OK for me" meme, and the fact is, that hasn't been true for about a decade now.

Math and computer science/programming will get you paid; then, take your evenings and weekends and do whatever you want with them. If you're smart, you'll live simply and save, allowing you to retire early, move somewhere with a cheap cost of living, and pursue your hobbies full-time.

Or, you can jump off the carousel, insource your risk, and work for yourself, with a somewhat higher chance of failure and a somewhat higher chance of achieving true wealth. This only really works if you have a useful skill set, good idea, and/or indefatigable drive.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Harmless_Venom
I think he's talking about law enforcement style jobs? Maybe not so much lawyers.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Soft_member

What is 'risk' and 'recruitment'? Can you be more specific?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@PackManBrainlure

That's real retarded, sir.

Stop writing about International Relations/Political Science like it's fucking Performing Arts. It has a higher employment rate than Law and high salaries on average.

It may not have the explicit vocational outcomes of STEM, but if you play the field at extracurricular events, maintain a 3.5+ GPA and go to a Top 50 (Worldwide) institution, you will find employment. It is all about the grades, University and extracurricular engagement, NOT the degree. Period. I attend the second best University in Australia.

You will never succeed in, or enjoy, a discipline you took for the sake of taking it. If your natural aptitude is not there, you will end up hanging from a fucking ceiling by age 30. Life is short, excel at what you're good at and what you're interested in, because you WILL find employment, just not as fast as the others.

/thread

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Nude_Bikergirl
UNSW?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@MPmaster

USYD

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@SomethingNew
Must be nice living in the city
Canberra is fucking dead

girlDog
girlDog

@Supergrass
This is a valid point.

The stats aren't like a real stats course like actuarial, though, but, I could see it's uses in mid tier statistics and data stuff.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@cum2soon
That 1st one is THE degree to get.
Any computer job ever with all the finance knowledge makes you a candidate for quant work

@Flameblow

Also commerce/engineering.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Harmless_Venom
He wasn't saying it's necessarily good, he is saying that employers know what you know with that degree. Getting a degree in "security studies", employers won't know if you have the knowledge even if security studies fits their needs perfectly. They would rather get someone with law because they know what the potential employee knows.

@Nude_Bikergirl
This is true. If you are lacking from something, whether it be grades, the schools reputation, degree prestige etc, make sure your others are exceptionally good. Also, you forgot to mention experience in relevant fields as soon as possible. You don't want to be in your final year still doing unpaid internships.

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