Why does it seem so fucking difficult to move up the ladder in the UK...

Nojokur
Nojokur

Why does it seem so fucking difficult to move up the ladder in the UK economically and class wise?

Wages are garbage if you dont live near London
Did i forget to mention you now have to pay disgustingly overpriced train fees now that you want to work in London for the wage increase?
Housing market is impossible to jump on unless you work 30 years to fill off mortgage or have a big inheritance.
20% VAT amongst other ludicrous tax.

Things that i keep hearing on here like "just go mow somebodies lawn!" doesnt apply here either, nobody has lawn here to mow other then rich fags.

Fuck this country.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Nojokur
Wages are garbage if you dont live near London
This is a phenomenon in pretty much all Western countries. Minimal transaction costs combined with high relevance of network/node access lead to winner-take-all situations.
Trains
yeah they suck
>Housing market is impossible to jump on unless you work 30 years to fill off mortgage or have a big inheritance.
That's how it works everywhere else as well, mate. As long as there is demand for +300k houses and people are not willing to pay more than 25% of their income for housing, +25 year mortgages are a norm
20% VAT amongst other ludicrous tax.
Whats wrong with VAT? Especially since U.K has a relatively low income taxation.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nojokur
try r9k

5mileys
5mileys

@Nojokur
Fuck this place bro.

Scotlandfag here, we had our chance and fucked it, now brexit and fucking Sturgeon is still desperate to feed merkles pony.

Fuck this place.

FUCK THIS PLACE.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Nojokur
I grew up poor on government benefits
first person in my family to go to uni
now I work for myself, make decent money and have my own savings
going to buy a house soon

it's been difficult and I've had to work harder than most, but it's not impossible, I don't live in London either

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Evil_kitten
Should of mentioned that these are comparisons to say the US.

Look at Utah for example, doesnt have a retardedly inaccessible housing market with homes ranging as low as 35k USD, 3 bedroom 1 bathroom, which is as big as this home im living in right now execpt this costs 500k GBP on the market.

The 20% VAT cucks businesses small and big, no wonder that so many of them exploit loopholes and other things to avoid them. Europe in general has the highest black market in terms of tax evasion.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Why does it seem so fucking difficult to move up the ladder in the UK economically and class wise?

Murrican born in the UK here. Because class mobility is not a fucking thing in Europe. Americans don't realize this because they don't know shit about the world outside of Murrica. Europeans don't know that the rest of the world isn't like this.

Here's how it goes: if you're lower class you have no ins anywhere, just safety nets. People think you're trying to be posh and get above yourself if you try to advance. You'll be sneered at, and quite probably not offered jobs/promotions that pay a decent salary. If you're middle class you'll have the ins needed to get into middle class paying jobs, but taxes will eat most of your income. You're understood to be a commoner. If you're upper class, then your rich lodge buddies and school mates make openings for you in terms of lucrative investments and high paying jobs. You look down your nose at commoner filth, sneer at foreigners, and use anyone lucky enough to be nouveau riche for their money while sneering at them behind their back. They only look up to the royal family, who have far more money than most suspect.

That's how it fucking works. I'm guessing that you're American because you don't already know this. Europe is not some fucking paradise that's like America but more cultured and with more history, it's a hell-hole for anyone born lower class who is locked out of a better life, and it's socialistic economy is geared to prevent violent uprising by funding social safety nets.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Firespawn
Utah is cheap. Its also equivalent to saying that Northeast is cheap: yes, as there are few economic opportunities there.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@hairygrape
In comparison to europe, its cheaper and has better salaries then a comparison shithole here in the EU.

Inmate
Inmate

@happy_sad
Higher salaries doesn't mean shit if you have to work more and spend more on other things.

@New_Cliche
You're missing that education is free in most European countries, so even poorfags can just go to uni without crippling debt or initial savings; after that it's up to you.

UK is actually a lot closer to US than most other countries.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Nojokur
This is a western problem.

-space is "limited"
-housing is expensive
-food is expensive and scarce

Most of these problems are because of back to back wars against neighboring nations.

When the funding towards military and conquest was chosen over the livelihood and well being of it's people, a negative consequence was established and has been built over time.

If these nations could cease military/political/spiritual/ideal warfare for 5 years, all those nations would prosper in our lifetimes and we wouldn't be in the anxiety rich situation we are in.

askme
askme

@Nojokur
It's the natural result of free trade: labor arbitrage.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evil_kitten

UK has particularly high housing prices tho. I mean it's insane how expensive a house is.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nojokur
It's because everyone has this irrational fear of high-rise apartments. It's absurd. The same people who complain that rents and housing prices in cities are too high also lobby to have any sort of high-density housing plans blocked. The only way you're going to see housing prices go down is by allowing supply to meet demand.

Techpill
Techpill

@Nojokur
That's because of pajeet's influence, since in India it's literally impossible to move up in the economic ladder.

Methnerd
Methnerd

hey but atleast you're leaving the EU, right?

girlDog
girlDog

@w8t4u
Is this a joke?

Name a none Western country that does it better.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The answer is because property is the biggest form of wealth in the United Kingdom, you can make your judgements from here

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Inmate
You're missing that education is free in most European countries, so even poorfags can just go to uni without crippling debt or initial savings; after that it's up to you.

You're wrong, in the Netherlands education isn't free. Neither tuition nor housing costs.

Illusionz
Illusionz

If this is the UK thread then let me vent on various things.

I'm a UK grad who is too autistic to pass graduate job interviews. Also I have a northern accent. I'm tired of going for London job interviews and being surrounded by posh people. But frankly I have no idea if I could handle normies.

Also I think we need to stop ever feeling sorry for poor people who live in London. They have all the opportunities in the fucking world.

I don't even know how the UK is so rich. The rest of the world must be lazy or brain damaged if they're poorer than us. All worthwhile jobs are in London. There are various shitty engineering jobs throughout the country that are so low paid it's laughable. And of course tonnes of HR / marketing / sales jobs. What do they even do? I imagine once I start a full time job they'll take me in to an underground crypt and tell me that the economy runs on pixie dust and nobody knows anything.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Illusionz
you can change your accent mate, it isn't difficult. at the most basic level, just pretend to yourself you are someone else and practice speaking differently. besides that, you can change it properly. i'm scottish and i know loads of scottish people and some northerners who work in london. it isn't your accent that is getting in the way.

also, are you sure you are autistic and not just anxious or have poor social skills. study PUA, not for the women but for the confidence.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Nojokur
Wages are very good in Edinburgh and Aberdeen actually

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Illusionz
Marketing and sales are pretty important 'exports' in a sense. A lot of the time marketing an sales allow our tech industries to market their products and services worldwide, which brings in foreign investment.

Anything that helps British business be more competitive is highly valued. Demonstrating value is a huge part of this and that is why marketing and sales are fairly large operators in the economy.

HR exists because companies are massive and administration is a massive task which requires a lot of man hours.

The best way to make money in the UK is to hold land or property. It's a completely ridiculous situation. Marketing and sales departments don't do a lot but they are a whole lot more productive than some cunt who just sits on a stack of housing and makes money for doing literally nothing.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@RavySnake

Clearly you dont live in London.

The only houses being built right now are high rise apartments, but nearly all of them are advertised towards 'professionals', so you're paying £300,000 for a 2 bedroom flat, with a shitty kitchenette.

This also leads to gentrification, all the broke people move out (Most new homes are being built in inner city nigger areas) and then becomes even more expensive.

Also fun fact, the majority of new houses in London are bought up by chinks and arabs who visit London 2 weeks out of the year.

Emberfire
Emberfire

The tendency to be attracted to London and only London is a strange one.

Unless you do a job that you can only do in London, and I mean exclusively in London, then there's no point in going there as a graduate as the meager increase in salary will not cover the astronomical living costs.

Think about all the people you know that live in London. Now think about how many of them have to be there.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

my cuck brother moved to the UK
posted a fucking picture of a public CC camera and said how happy he is to sacrifice his privacy for safety
someone points out that police still cannot magically appear to save you
he admits that it only helps them catch criminals later
you know, sometimes, like when they don't change their appearance or something
now he complains that he can't find a job
next he'll be complaining about getting stabbed by immigrants

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Need_TLC
actually being retarded enough to think CCTV prevents crime

Nigga, i worked in a area where there was multiple shop robberies/heists on jewellery stores and CCTV does FUCK ALL in terms of actually finding these people.

Keep in mind this is also in Central London.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Nojokur
Could be worse; you could be American. High taxes, none of which pays for healthcare. No social mobility, infinite amounts of shit credit screwing the economy up.

Learn to deal.

TechHater
TechHater

@Spamalot
That's because niggers all look the same so having a picture of one committing a crime is literally useless.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@New_Cliche

That's quite accurate. Europe is, currently, no place if someone wants to rise above.

t. Alberto Barbosa

girlDog
girlDog

All these privileged first wolders complaining about their lives.

Come live in Brazil, cowards.

You must be really retarded if you don't do well, specially USA. All the retarded hues that go to USA are living dream lives with houses, cars, vacations.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@girlDog
I agree.
All these entitled, spoiled western eurocucks are bitching about "low salaries" and "lack of opportunities", as if they know anything about low salaries. I would like to see, how would they like to work for 500 euros a month with a master degree, in Eastern European shithole, while having same tax rates (incl. the VAT) + ridiculously low purchasing power. And USfags have NO FUCKING RIGHT to complain whatsoever. Zero. Null. Nada.

Methshot
Methshot

@w8t4u
No social mobility

Speak for yourself, loser.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@girlDog
@cum2soon

An American cosigning this.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nojokur
Welcome to life in the slowly decaying West, OP.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
Only immigrants have it well in the US.

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