Gambling General

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Donk Bet Edition

Previous thread:
/biz/thread/1359030#p1359030

Only pros incorporate a flop donk betting range into their game.

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TalkBomber
HU 4 ROLLZ?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@CouchChiller
I'll only play with you if you prove you know how to triple-range merge.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Dude, why would you open a new thread about this?

It's impossible to make a live out of gambling, except for poker. But still, making poker your main income can be stressful as shit and you have to be really good at it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Garbage Can Lid
living*

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Poker is dead until America stop being faggots and legalize it again. Other countries are too frugal and care too much about their money.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Garbage Can Lid
not really good..

you just have to be good and find rich enough average players to milk from time to time.

playing good among other good players is same as playing roulette, since poker de facto is a game of chance, except when someone doesn't quite know all the perks of the game.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Only pros indeed

UTG: 86.5 BB (VPIP: 48.65, PFR: 5.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.35, Hands: 1,146)
Hero (CO): 247.72 BB
BTN: 108.16 BB (VPIP: 92.31, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 26)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.57, PFR: 17.20, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 162)
BB: 295.42 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 75)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Td Ks
UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, BB calls 9 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (25.5 BB, 2 players) 4h 7h Jh
BB bets 23.8 BB, BTN calls 23.8 BB

Turn : (73.1 BB, 2 players) 5d
BB bets 51.18 BB, BTN raises to 74.36 BB and is all-in, BB calls 23.18 BB

River : (221.82 BB, 2 players) 4d

BB shows 9c Qd (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 65%, Flop 63%, Turn 0%)

BTN shows 6d 8s (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 37%, Turn 100%)

BTN wins 215.82 BB

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

not quadruple range merging
baka desu fampai

Evilember
Evilember

@Garbage Can Lid
Honestly it's more interesting than 80% of the crap on here every day. My only suggestion is if you're going to make it about poker, call it poker general. If it's about roulette or blackjack or some shit, call it gambling.

Either way, it's not really Veeky Forums but whatever.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Snarelure
Wow too bad the 95+ vpip guy is directly to your left but still.
What limits?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Firespawn

Yeah, I don't mind that muchto be honest, as long as he is at the table. Its 100NL

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Evilember
True that. It was the only thread that made me come on Veeky Forums the last few days

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod

Just a precision btw, although most players aren't really good, its kind of an exception to have such a good table.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RumChicken
How many tbls you play?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat

Depends on the stakes I play. At 100NL where I am confortable, between 12/15. At 200NL around 6/8

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nojokur
Amazing its still profitable. Thought online wouldve dried up by now.
Wanna disclose the site you play on?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I'm waiting for the world series of cribbage to become a thing. Already have a semi regular game with some guys at the local moose club, make some petty cash for it.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Stark_Naked

Tbh, at the 100NL I know most regulars ( small pool of players) and regfish/fish are usually not too difficult to exploit. Factor the RB in and it becomes quite profitable indeed.

At 200NL it's more difficult because there isnt much action upwards 400NL and unfortunately so some players move down, I understood the hard way that they are able to exploit me much more if I don't pay attention.

I don't mind saying, I play on a partypoker skin, player pool is weak af and I have a good RB deal with them. I am on a regulated EU market though, which is a pain in the ass.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

pmsl

w8t4u
w8t4u

TEARS at state of this thread.

iluvmen
iluvmen

pmsl if you don't cold raise while UTG

idontknow
idontknow

@Garbage Can Lid
You can make a living out of sports betting, so you are wrong there, clearly dunno what you're talking about.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@cum2soon
Cool
Back in the day party had terrible rakeback compared even to Stars iirc. Guess they improved in that aspect. Anyhoo, gl w/ the grind :)

FastChef
FastChef

@w8t4u
Kill yourself

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Snarelure
not coming over the top preflop to that 95 vpip drooler

@Evilember
money isn't concerned in Veeky Forums

@cum2soon
oh, you're a rakeback pro?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@kizzmybutt

Its still utter shit compared to stars but I like my comfort, with my affiliate and top status I am getting a decent enough %.

@Fried_Sushi

Coming over the top = raising ?

I profit from RB yes, if that's a RB pro then I guess I am, doesnt prevent me from making money at the tables though

farquit
farquit

@BinaryMan
the thing is is that you make your money through rb, not through making good decisions on the table

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

What is RB?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I live near a casino but am afraid of going

Video poker seems like a pretty decent way to kill time and possibly make a few bucks
thoughts?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Need_TLC

Isn't video poker like black jack? You don't even get to play strategies or anything.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Need_TLC
DON'T GAMBLE!

DeathDog
DeathDog

@New_Cliche
rake back
for every hand of poker you play, theres a rake taken out of the pot
sites thought it would be a good idea to give back some of that rack (at the cost of an even higher rake) to generate more traffic
rakeback pros literally are paid to grind out on as many tables as possible, filling in seats and generating more rake for the company.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Methnerd
Video poker is shit.
Electronic Poker is fine. It's just like real poker only played with a touchscreen and the cards are digital.

Basically it's just a faster way of playing. The house takes a larger rake, obviously, but you're paying table fees anyway unless you're in a tournament.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PurpleCharger
house takes a larger rake
while getting in more hands per hour

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Burnblaze
so like
start at 20 bucks
can put it at a quarter per hand
likelihood of getting 4 of a kind isn't terribly bad, which would net a profit of like 6 bucks lol

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit

The thing is...

I don't remember disclosing what proportion of my income is coming from RB, funny how you seem to assert your opinion as facts.

Know it alls never do well in poker, I am assuming this is why you are so butthurt. I don't see you providing any kind of insightful comment in here, just spewing frustration.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@PurpleCharger
Can we define our terms here?

Video poker is a slot machine. Electronic poker is nothing. Internet poker is real poker that you play online with other real people.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
what is your ROI and then your rake * rakeback?
this is actual math here, buddy.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@TreeEater

Playing cash games
What is your ROI

Try again donkament player

TechHater
TechHater

I thought there were accusations of fixing in electronic poker

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TalkBomber
okay, take your bb/100 fucking dumbass

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TechHater

There are accusations of fixing in online/live/electronic whatever form of poker you can think of you'll find retards to believe its rigged to make them lose.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@New_Cliche

Well you're are the one being condescendent in the first place, forgive me for pointing out your mistakes, not really something an experienced player would do.

Anyway, I don't have my full database on hand, but I run around 3bb/100, RB depends on my volume obviously but I get 20% on the gross.

I play around 100Kh/month so the math is 3K income from the table and 2K from RB ( rake is insane where I play but I don't have the choice)

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@whereismyname
Well I know it isn't as popular as it had been about five years ago but I remember that one of the bigger sites was being investigated for fixing games
And I assumed the game's rapid decline in popularity was related to that investigation

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@SomethingNew

Well there was the Ultimate bet scandal but I am confident this is not the norm, at least at the stakes I play.

Decline in popularity was mainly due to the fact that people realised it isnt that easy to win money and the whole black friday story which started with the FBI wanting to control money landering and ended up discovering a ponzi like skim at FT poker ( a website ran by degenerates who lended themselves huge amount of money).

The risk isnt so much in superusers and such but more website closing down and keeping your money because debts. Lost 4K that way

viagrandad
viagrandad

Anyone go vic, empire or hippodrome?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad

I don't live in England anymore but I went to the Grosvenor a few times for fun, mainly played 1/2 and 2/4. Was pretty nice compared to Aspers which is the worst shithole I ever set foot in

idontknow
idontknow

@SomethingNew
playing good among other good players is same as playing roulette

This to some extent. Unless you can get some kind of advantage over another good player you are essentially wasting time at that table.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
Do you know how many card rooms there are in this country?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
Yeah vics good, defo recommend empire the most though especialy on weekends, attracts all sorts of clueless people.

RavySnake
RavySnake

anyone know a bitcoin gambling site with an affiliate program?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberfire

I'll try the Empire next time I am around, cheers.

@RavySnake

Most websites don't advertise affiliates, if you found them, they don't need one. You should look the other way around, ask your current network or affiliate for tips.

FastChef
FastChef

Haven't played any poker in a minute so I'm definitely rusty.

Been working on horses recently and slowly making progress.

tfw imagining doing nothing else but occasionally sports betting and living the good life

Any other sports bettors?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@FastChef
Was, never did it full time. Can literaly get £5 on most bookies max nowadays, so just play poker now. Do you have a model for the horses? Cover flats of jumps?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Evil_kitten
Ah, that sucks. At least there's poker.
I've been working on a model. Just flats seeing as that's the more popular style here in the US. Also only thoroughbreds as well.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

fucking card playing losers....go to draftkings and get wrecked in fantasy sports so you can at least lose your money with dignity

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Burnblaze

Didnt work out for you huh? Try again, your luck is about to turn, you're seem like a clever dude, variance has been a bitch that's all.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Burnblaze
fantasy sports
dignity

Here's your (You)

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TalkBomber
I played some blackjack and slots this weekend. Came out with 800 bucks.
probably getting fucked in the long run for doing this recreationally and am now addicted to the casino. I go at least once a month.

5mileys
5mileys

@Burnblaze
fantasy sports

HolyFuckingShit.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Just bet 500 dollars on Ethereum. Am I doing it right?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

cashgame is dead anyway.. husng is where its at, made 11k in january, still chasing that high

anyone think sportsbetting can be longterm profitable?

WebTool
WebTool

put in 100 in slots
up 250
loose it all

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@5mileys

ive played fan duel for the last 3 years and have ~65% win rate with steady betting and profits all three years

only gamble NFL. can't wait for next season.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@PurpleCharger
Might as well just hook up with a bookie and get some real action down.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Fried_Sushi
anyone think sportsbetting can be longterm profitable?

It can but you better be 100 percent dedicated to it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@VisualMaster

legal vs illegal

ill stick with the legal

i bet some money with coworkers (nothing big that would cause drama at work) but im not dealing with some shady fucker for big bets

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
Or just set up an automated exchange bot and cherry pick prices

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Illusionz
some shady fucker

Every bookie i've ever known outside Nevada was on the level. You just need to be hooked up with the right people to avoid the trash.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Sir_Gallonhead
Before black friday were there highstreet bookmakers like there are in normal countries?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Playboyize
I grew up in a couple of places where bookies are part of the local social fabric. Guarantee you that just about anywhere in the US there is someone who will have things going on a local level and is set to take your action. If you can't find them you are in over your head to begin with.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Oh nice the compulsive liar made a new thread

hey guys poker pro here
ugh they ALWAYS have it when you have QQ amirite?
AHHHH I got it in 60% to win and LOST, this fucking game man
meet me at the 2 cent table

Nobody in this thread is a profitable poker player at any limit (aside from me), and nobody will prove otherwise

massdebater
massdebater

@TalkBomber
Only pros incorporate a flop donk betting range into their game.
I've flop donked like it was nothing and I'm an amateur. Might as well donk when betting on the flop since it's too frequently a crapshoot.

Inmate
Inmate

@Fried_Sushi
this projection
dodges 2 cent tables cause he's literally a welfare neet that's not allowed to spend "his" "money" on what he wants

I lost 66% of my pocket QQ, KK, and AA tonight. Absolute BULLSHIT.

"yeah, i think i can call a 32bb shove with my 40bb stack near the bubble with T8o oop and flop two pair"

This fucking game, man.

Techpill
Techpill

@massdebater
Might as well donk when betting on the flop since it's too frequently a crapshoot.

Are you fucking kidding?

You might as well hand your wallet over and leave.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Fried_Sushi
I'm up $160 on over 10'000 $1 sng 6 max

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@PurpleCharger
quit your day job for sure

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@New_Cliche
When I move up and can table more than 4 hopefully I will

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fried_Sushi

HUSNG has been dead for years and you're probably lying your ass off or just went on an insane heater.

Traffic above 100 is disgusting and competition important, there are cartels that will do everything to keep you from moving up every step of the way...

Graph or did not happen, also volume and stakes, ROI ?

happy_sad
happy_sad

So far i've made more money out of political/sports gambling than I have off the lottery.

I fully expect it to go horribly wrong however.

askme
askme

@Techpill
you could at least try explaining why mathematically its a bad idea
otherwise youre just a jealous troll

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fried_Sushi
what limit you play?

I jump into 25nl on ACR from time to time. I think I'm breakeven or slightly losing because I spew when tilted against the russian bots. I mostly just try to run good so I can slowroll the regs I hate.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgM314J0I9k

I been watching this guys videos lately. He isn't very good at poker and in this video he hired a craigslist hooker to do twitch commentary with him. lmfao senpai

askme
askme

@Boy_vs_Girl
only 1k views from last year

this guy doesn't stream anymore, i can bet on that

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

What /v/idya do poker players play?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TalkBomber
Story time.

So I get sent another $50 matchplay in the mail by the casino. This is like the 4th one they have sent me this month. I put it down with my $80 bucks on a hand of blackjack. Lose it. Shit lmfao. I am beginning to hate matchplays and hate blackjack. They also give me $10 free slot play. I play 10 spins of $1 dollar slots and end up hitting $150 and cash out. Sweeeet.

take the $150 and bet the whole thing on RED in roulette. (Why the hell would I listen to Welsey Snipes when he got caught for tax evasion, went bankrupt and went to prison?)
hit the $150
pocket it and go to eat my free buffet from a voucher I got
get a free walking dead t-shirt and swag from a walking dead promotion. they are advertising a new walking dead slot machine
was planning on going home with my winnings but get the poker itch

Cont.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Fried_Sushi

decide to play NLHE
about 20 hands in
on the button
have 10c 5c
players raises to 4x bb
5 callers
I call behind
flop 10d 7d 5d
everyone checks
think about betting but dont want to get reraised from someone representing flush and have to make a decision
turn comes out 5s
everyone checks
I make a value bet, just small enough that if someone has a large diamond they should call
the thinking behind this is if I have a boat I would have checked and let them catch their flush. I don't want them to put me on a boat, I want them to put me on trips, so I bet it
I also want to get some value out of my hand in case no diamond comes out on the river
I get 2 callers. nice!
river comes out 2d
fuckyea.jpg
I can see player to my left watching me out of the corner of my eye. LOL. I visibly make a small grimace when I see the diamond to try to further sell my trips, not looking at him the whole time
thats good enough for him. he makes a large overbet
player to my right thinks about it for about a minute then calls
I know I can't sell my trips anymore if I call or raise but I try anyways. It makes it even harder that there is 2 people I am trying to convince instead of 1
I count out enough chips to make a call. luckily it's more than half my stack. only an idiot would call or raise here with just trips. I push the whole stack in.
"All in". I say it a little louder than normal and try to project confidence and strength while looking at both of them in the eye.
this works. player to my left snap calls
player to my right is a little smarter. he thinks about it for a minute then folds (later find out he had Kd). lol fucker.
player to my left shows Ad after I show him my boat.
he's laughing. Its probably as he thinks back about how he thought he had a solid tell on me on the river

After all of that it turned out to be a $650 hand. I win about $200 more over the next 2 hours then call it a day.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Soft_member
Good story. I love it when a huge hand works out.

FastChef
FastChef

@Soft_member
be me
go to local card room
poker is illegal in my state so its one of "those" types of rooms
sit down with 100 at a 1/3 game
sit to the right of two guys i beast on
beast on them for the first two hours that im there
stack is about 400 at this point
get pocket aces in the big blind
utg+1 is an extreme LAG
he raises to some amount like 5x or something
theres a couple of callers
i put in a reraise
lag reraises me
i look to see who's folded, asking the guy to my right if he folded, he says yeah
i look at lag and shove
lag snap calls
guy to my right snap calls
"what the fuck? you told me you didn't have cards"
call the floor over
tell them that this player, whom i suspect yet say nothing about of being a house player, just angle shot me saying he mucked his cards when he didn't
they don't disqualify his hand and the house came around to watch this 1200 pot
flop comes out KQx
lag has the straight draw
guy to my right has a flush draw
x
the look on the faces of the guys standing around watching as i begin to suspect the LAG is also a house player
house tries to offer me insurance, which i deny, since they come out in the long run
x
the look of disbelief as i dodge the world
take down a few more pots
say i gotta party to go to so im gonna cash out
never went back

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Playboyize
Yea it doesn't always work like that haha. Since I told a story about how I won I should tell the story about how I lost I guess...

same table
kh 9d
on the button again
player raises to 4x bb
3bet by loose aggressive player to 12bb
I call (normally I wouldn't with that specific hand but I feel like its going to be HU with an aggressive player who is oop)
flop comes 2h 9s 9c
perfect flop for me
he donk bets 1/2 the pot
I just call, hoping he puts me on overcards with no pp
turn is jd
he donks 1/2 the pot again
I reraise just in case he has something call-able like AA, KK, or something silly like Q10. want to get maximum value out of him
he calls me. I can tell by the way he calls its a smooth call and he thinks he probably has the best hand
if he is putting me on a J (which he probably is) it means he most likely has AA, KK or QQ
I don't put him on a 9 or boat because with the way this guy plays he would never play such a strong hand so lightly
river comes out Qd
he overbets the pot
fuck lol. with that player, with that bet, I know he just hit the river, hard.
I almost muck my hand within the first 5 seconds but then like an idiot try to convince myself that my trips are still good
there was no way I was putting him on a straight at that point but I felt strongly like he had QQ
"yeah, but what are the odds of that? hey man, do you have pocket QQs?"
he looks at me blankly, giving away nothing lol
so I call just because I am curious and a dummy
he turns over QQ, of course

Sometimes I just need to learn to trust my instincts. He took me for like $200 that pot. It messed up what would have been an otherwise decent day.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@FastChef
Yea man I hate those angle plays. It's happened to me at least a few times in live games within the last year or so. Its one of those things that casinos rarely crack down on unless it is a big tourney. Oh, so last week I had a game where a guy is actually taking chips off the table while his cards are still live and putting the chips in his pocket. Wtf lmao. Or how about the guy a month ago who is heads up and checks the cold nuts to his buddy before telling him not to bet. Theres some shady characters in this game.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@AwesomeTucker
wait
so dude opens up
then homeboy 3bets
you call
dude donk bets?
then what does homeboy do?
though, showing that you will call down with trips is better than showing you would fold on the river with how much you've already put in. i mean, aren't you pot committed by the river?

@New_Cliche
if someone is taking chips off the table, and you're in an actual casino, call the floor over. accuse him of bringing in chips instead.

and im not sure if the rule applies universally that you can't check the nuts on the river when youre last to act. i mean, you might want to check to see the opponents cards, but then theres the collusion aspect. not too sure what to think of the rule

JunkTop
JunkTop

You guys seen this Bitcoin themed card game?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Raving_Cute
I've been wondering about this. Seems that a lot of bookies make it really hard to scrape data for that reason.
I would be interested in trying to get an arbitrage system going.
:(

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@haveahappyday
well actually Pinnacle has an API so you can just use them as they have some of the lowest margins which means some of the truest prices.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@AwesomeTucker

Micros reference? If so, mahnigga.jpg

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@ZeroReborn
though, showing that you will call down with trips is better than showing you would fold on the river with how much you've already put in. i mean, aren't you pot committed by the river?
No, I agree. I was kinda pot committed by the river. I don't really think it was a bad call, it was just that there was no way he was bluffing that amount with a marginal hand on the river. With that bet, he is hoping I have a 9. If he had AA or KK, he honestly probably would have checked on the river after my reraise on the turn or put out a value bet at most. He was an aggressive player but he wasn't a bad player. It's why he didn't come over the top on the turn. If he puts me on a J and he reraises then I fold and he doesn't get any more value. If he puts me on a 9 and he reraises then that's a dumb move. There really was nothing else he could have had there but QQ. I was able to sniff it out but just couldnt let go of my trips.

if someone is taking chips off the table, and you're in an actual casino, call the floor over. accuse him of bringing in chips instead.
I wasn't in the hand anymore but I pointed it out to the other players who were oblivious lol. The floor came over and he played stupid so they let him slide.

and im not sure if the rule applies universally that you can't check the nuts on the river
I'm not too sure either. In tourneys it absolutely applies but cash games are a little bit looser with the rules. It was more the fact that he told his buddy not to bet first. That's absolutely collusion. I had to tell him he couldn't do that. His response was "oh I didn't see I had the nuts...". Fucking liar lmao.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Burnblaze
oh if theres a player telling another player how to play, call the floor over. like you said, it's absolute collusion. if they dont' do anything, just say you don't feel comfortable playing at this establishment anymore and will take your businesses elsewhere.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Oh wow, that's awesome. I'm assuming I'd still need to scrape other sites for differing odds? Also being in the US kind of limits me.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Spazyfool
No just get pinny prices, then set the bot to check for any prices on the exchange that are like 20% + more than on pinny, then have the bot lay that price. It's kinda complicated to do though, requires knowledge in many fields. If US you'd probably have to use a BF and Pinnacle agent unfortunatley.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Ignoramus
What do you mean by pinny and BF? Not following the terminology, sorry.

Pretty sure I have the knowledge to build the system. Seems like an interesting project to mess with.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@RumChicken
Pinny = pinnacle
Bf = betfair

idontknow
idontknow

@Evilember
It's not really Veeky Forums

No it isn't but I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's a hellova lot more Veeky Forums than anything else. Trying to convince the MMA fighters in /asp/ and the sweat stinking dice rolling RPGers in /tg/ about the value of playing poker for money is more doomed to fail than preaching zionism in /pol/

farquit
farquit

@askme
Nigga please.

To you it's a crapshoot solely because you don't know how to size up a table and make moves when you have to.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@AwesomeTucker
This post just shows me that I am not as good at poker as I think I am. I don't know how players are able to put other players on exact hands. I still don't know how you were able to put him on pocket queens. That is an insane read if you are telling the truth.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
this shitposting

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@CodeBuns
Yea honestly that was a rare occurence though. The only reason I was able to put him on a hand was the type of player he was. Loose aggressive players usually like to bet when they have something, bet harder when they don't, and bet even harder when they have the nuts. Against most players the best you can hope for is to put them on a range and then try to figure out what part of their range makes the most sense.

The fact that he 3bet preflop as a loose aggressive player doesn't mean anything. He could have 27 off just as easily as AA. That's the only reason I called with my k9 in position. Then the fact that he bet 1/2 the pot on the flop meant he most likely had a hand but didnt want to get too committed if I have a 9 and reraised him. If he had AK or air he probably would have overbet the flop to try to take it down. If he had a 9 he probably would have bet it the same way knowing that I might think he is bluffing and commit myself. Or if he has a 9 he would just check. Beware of the aggressive player that checks on the flop after 3betting preflop. It usually means he has close to the nuts. Loose aggressive players will make the continuation bet even if they don't have anything 9 out of 10 times. But... he had no reason to put me on a 9 and he had a hand so he value bet it.

Cont.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@BinaryMan
Same thing on the turn. Nothing changed and he is still a little cautious about the 9 but not too worried so he value bets it, thinking he still has the best hand. When I reraise him this changes everything. For the first time in the hand he gets a little information out of me. I give him this information because it helps me to figure out what he has. The reraise is whats called a feeler bet. It is meant to draw a reaction out of him at the same time get more value out of him. By the time I make the feeler bet I figure he has a decent hand and I have a better one but I won't know for sure unless I test the strength of his hand. The fact that he calls and doesn't raise me back confirms what I thought before. He has a high pocket pair. Ironically, if he had AJ he would have bet it stronger. Sometimes the weaker the hand, the stronger the bet.

Then the river comes out and not only does he not check, he makes a large bet. There was nothing he could really have there but the nuts. He isn't putting me on a failed straight draw. He is putting me on a 9 or J. The thing that bugged me and should have let me get away from the hand is if he had bet so lightly on the flop and turn because of the possibility of trips, why all the sudden did he not seem worried about it on the river? It should have been an easy fold by me but like another poster noted, I was already pot committed and just curious enough for a call.

askme
askme

@BinaryMan
@AwesomeTucker
you realize we have ID's, right?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@askme
Huh? I thought it was pretty obvious I am the same guy even though my ID changed.....

Why would I respond to a post directed to someone else like it was me if it wasn't me????? You're weird lol

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CodeBuns

They are not, if you have half a brain you play against a range. This guy cold calls a 3bet from and aggressive player with K9, this is just money down the drain, no matter this specific outcome, this is just retarded.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Evil_kitten
Poker isn't as cut and dry as you think it is. One day you will learn that everything is situational. There are some players I wouldn't even call a 2 bet from without a fully premium hand. Then there are players like this who make 3bets almost every other hand. If you see him make 3bets with 4 8 offsuit as often as qj hearts do you still think this was a bad call? Poker is all about making the right move given all of the information presented. That hand he just happened to have QQ but with his hand history it was way more likely he didn't. I called knowing that it was going to be easy to spot a bluff after the flop and that I could (most likely) outplay him. It didn't even really matter what my cards were at that point. Loose aggressive players are usually really predictable.

Cont.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Let me give you an example. (Be aware that I do this sparingly and only in certain situations)

playing online a couple days ago
loose aggressive player raises preflop
I have 7d 8d
I call
flop comes kc 4s 2h
I check
the board is pretty dry so he makes the continuation bet and fires a barrel at me on the flop
I call
stupid play right? I didn't connect with anything. It would seem like that but given the hand history and his bet size I am almost 100% sure about 2 things. He didnt connect. I can make a play on him later.
because I am a tight player he thinks I hit a piece of the board but he doesnt know what piece.
turn comes kd
he fires an even larger barrel at me
this bet makes it even more likely that he doesn't actually have a K. He is trying desperately to represent a strong K but the size of his bet shows he wants me to fold and give gives away his weak hand. If he really did have it he wouldnt be trying to push me off the pot.
I call
river comes out 8c
this is a great card for me. now that I actually have a pair, I don't even need to reraise if he makes a bet. I am almost positive I have the best hand and can just call
he decides not to fire a 3rd barrel and basically gives up
I make a decent value bet
he folds

I almost want to check on the river and show him my hand. There are pros and cons to both. If I do show him, he is not going to try to 3 barrel bluff me again. Since I don't show him my hand he is still putting me on a K and I can possibly make more moves on him later.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Supergrass

Yes it is situational indeed, and in this situation, against this profile you're bleeding money.

Against a 11/1/1 I may understand you taking your chances because vilain is pretty much face up, here its very different.

You say it yourself, vilain is loose aggro, he has hands in his 3bet range that will crush yours KT+ A9+ 99+, you're not doing so well against the rest either and on top of that he is going to be bluffing a ton of hands.

You find yourself hoping to catch a hand or that vilain will slow down at some point and let you bluff, just like in your example @Fried_Sushi

Even worst in the K9 hand, vilain is 3betting OR that you completely take out of the equation but is likely to come back on top...

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@LuckyDusty
You say it yourself, vilain is loose aggro, he has hands in his 3bet range that will crush yours KT+ A9+ 99+, you're not doing so well against the rest either and on top of that he is going to be bluffing a ton of hands.
Honestly at that point I am not even too worried about what I might have. If I really thought it was likely that he had QQ I would have obviously never called. I chose that spot to challenge him because he is barrelling all over the place and I wanted to contest him to send a message. I had position on him so it was the perfect time to do so. I probably would have done it even with a 7 10 offsuit. At that point I am only trying to outplay him. It just happened that I caught trips on the flop but I wasn't depending on that. I knew right away with the way he bet the flop that he actually had a hand. Like I said, loose aggessive players are usually pretty predictable.

You find yourself hoping to catch a hand or that vilain will slow down at some point and let you bluff, just like in your example
Not exactly. Even if villain hadn't slowed down that other hand I still would have bluffed at it because I had a pretty good idea where he stood the entire hand. What you don't understand is that you don't always necessarily need to have the hand, especially in HU play. I spend a lot of time building a tight table image just so I can exploit it in these types of situations.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evil_kitten
pretty much this
he's giving his hand away preflop
he doesn't know how to play range v range, either

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fried_Sushi
makes the continuation bet and fires a barrel at me on the flop

This should tell everyone you have no idea what you're talking about.

WebTool
WebTool

@Spazyfool

You can't have a good idea where vilain stands if he is loose aggro, this itself pretty much means that his range is large and he is going to be aggressive whether he hits or not. In the end if you plan on bluffing 100% or close, you make him fold stuff that you have probably beat already, that's about it.

Also, you talk about perceived range but that's a very long shot, you often don't have the image you think you do or vilain doesnt give a shit.

You say HU play but you happen to find yourself lucky and HU, hands starts with vilain 3beting other players, blinds still have to talk.

Anyway, if you feel that this is good, I am not going to argue with you, just letting you know I make most of my money against guys like you who think they can outplay the maths with their "reading" skills. GL

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@lostmypassword
Wot.

@Gigastrength
Wot.

@WebTool
anyway, if you feel that this is good, I am not going to argue with you, just letting you know I make most of my money against guys like you who think they can outplay the maths with their "reading" skills. GL
Lmao. I play the math the majority of the time. What's supremely ironic is that I probably play much, much tighter than you do. You are getting on me for a move that admittingly I "use sparingly" against players that are super aggressive. Trust me, you don't make any money against me or "guys like me". If I make a move like this towards you it means your play is entirely too predictable and you should not be playing poker professionally.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Need_TLC

You can laugh as much as you want mate, I don't care how much you do that, its a loosing play whatever way you take it because the reasoning behind it is fucking retarded.

I've been nice so far because, desu, I don't really give a shit, there are dedicated forums to talk about strategy that you obviously never visited or were laughed out off. I happen to be a pro and you're the reason I gave up coaching; you would not believe the number of retards that try and justify their orrendous plays with "yes but, you don't understand... In this situation... I don't do it often... ".

You don't actually back up any point you make with any solid or mathematic arguments, its pretty much your feeling.

Well I hope you keep on playing and I have you on my tables at some point.

Btw, I don't play "tight", I am 29/25/10, I just don't play retarded.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@w8t4u
29
not 35 minimum

Breh, you better start believing in nits, cause you're in one

WebTool
WebTool

@Playboyize

So loose aggro is what ? 45/35, I call that a fish my friend.

Anyway, as usual, you got nothing worthwile to contribute, shows how much of a thinker you are, enjoy masturbating to you reflect in the mirror

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@w8t4u
I am laughing because everyone is a poker pro or a poker coach. I really don't need to prove myself to you because you are one of those players that will never understand that poker is more than math. I have been playing poker professionally (successfully) for about a decade and a half. I don't even browse 2x2 forums or other forums because frankly, they are full of "poker experts" that think that there is some universal poker handbook that shouldn't be deviated from. You ever want to see how full of it people are, just visit the comments section of youtube videos from the top pros in the world playing.

what an idiot! how did that guy call that hand!

...umm, dude. That idiot is Phil Ivey and you have absolutely no clue what pre-empted him to make that specific call. You don't know the hand history. It may look like a bad call but there are reasons why he did it. What you are looking at is a small window of play and trying to make a judgement on that play when there is thousands of other variables at hand that you as a spectator are not privy to. His career winning speak for themself.

I personally, am no Phil Ivey, but I do alright. This discussion is silly to me.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@WebTool
you sure you're replying to the person you think you are?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@CodeBuns

My bad I was not ^^ Still curious to know what non nit is for you, I play 100NL/200NL online, I don't know much winning players with a 35 VPIP

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@VisualMaster

Yeah I think it pbbly goes down to the livetards/online debate, I know I won't convince you and desu, I am not sure I want to.

It used to work for you when everyone was full retard, don't change, we all know this game is not about introspection and adaptation.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Stupidasole
non nit is like 15+
i was just shitposting

askme
askme

@Dreamworx
Actually, I have only started to incorporate that play within the last couple of years, and to be honest with you, it works beautifully. The reason it works is because players get stuck in specific patterns that they never deviate from because it is the only way they know how to play. They always alter their bet size in a consistent (predictable) manner postflop according to hand strength. The majority of other players do not pick up on these types of patterns but when I personally do, I am going to exploit it any chance I get. Usually I wait for a premium hand to expoit it, but sometimes I don't always have that luxury or that amount of time so if I have marginal hand or even sometimes less than marginal hand HU in position, I am going to take it and look for an opportunity. There really is not much risk involved. It's really not as crazy a play as you think it is. Do you really think I would play solid poker most of the time and then every once in a while randomly give up chips? If it wasn't working consistently then I wouldn't do it...

idontknow
idontknow

@askme

You're still in a guessing game post, for that specific hand at least. I much rather col4dbetting if he is so large and incorporate middle value hands I can shove or call a shove with.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@idontknow
I am absolutely in a guessing game post, but it is an easy guessing game because of the predictability of his play. I wouldn't do it if I don't think I can sniff him out very quickly on the flop according to hand history. Plus, if you think it is a guessing game for me, it is much more a guessing game for him.

incorporate middle value hands I can shove or call a shove with
That's you. Do your thing. I am not even telling you that you are wrong here, just that there are multiple ways to play it in this situation.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Flameblow
That's you. Do your thing. I am not even telling you that you are wrong here, just that there are multiple ways to play it in this situation.

I'll give you that no worries. I am off gn

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

go into casino
put in 100
get to 250
I'll get out (x) man I swear
loose it all

Everytime

girlDog
girlDog

Post tinder qts lads

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Got 2 birds on the go atm lids. In love with both. How do I play it?

viagrandad
viagrandad

SHAKING. Finally unbanned here. /sp/ janny such a cunt.

Met this slag at the gym. She gave me her kik FFS.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@viagrandad

kik

pmsl

ask for her sc

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@happy_sad
Was staggered when she said kik. My fault desu. I said let's keep in contact, what can I keep in touch with you with

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

got some worldies

5mileys
5mileys

bbm pin
Absolute danger

takes2long
takes2long

@5mileys
BBM
2009 called

askme
askme

@takes2long
Nottingham trent
Stopped reading there anyway lid

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@5mileys

Nottingham Trent

Another red flag

Techpill
Techpill

Lmao u slugs, these girls are all literal garbage bins

TreeEater
TreeEater

Got down to 30 chips HU vs 1470 and came back, unreal scenes. Flipped about 7 winners on the trot, wondering how my Brazilian opponent must be feeling desu..

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I hope the janitor doesnt appear :^)

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Techpill
we can't all be sophisticated gents like you lid

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@PackManBrainlure
time to show you how to talk to girls lid

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Carnalpleasure

is every girl on tinder a whore? this girl seems nice but why is she on tinder desu

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

SLAGS
L
A
G
S

Emberfire
Emberfire

bet the janitor is looking at this thread SEETHING probably frantically messaging his Veeky Forums counterpart pmsl

Evilember
Evilember

@Snarelure
Tinder is just a normie thing. Most girls have it for validation not for sex

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Snarelure
I wouldn't say they're all whores. Some do just use it for chat. girl in picture is probaby looking to fuck some guys on holiday and I'm happy to be her fling before she heads home

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

JANNY ON SUICIDE WATCH. HE KNOWS HE BANNED ME BUT HE CAN'T STOP ME POSTING. Cackling in my 1 bedroom apartment.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Firespawn
I make no apologies for this kind of stuff. It works

WebTool
WebTool

@Burnblaze
Christ.

O/U on dicks sucked is 60.5

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Evilember
@Firespawn

is it possible to find a non-whore gf on there?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Sharpcharm
tez keyboard

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Very cheeky

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@WebTool
Is that a table cloth?

Please someone explain to me what on God's green Earth is 'swedge'

DeathDog
DeathDog

@WebTool
O/U on your total matches is 4.5

eGremlin
eGremlin

what did she mean by this

FastChef
FastChef

@VisualMaster
Might vary from place to place but here it will be eccies.

@DeathDog
Special on overs.

@eGremlin
She watches Big Brother.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Such a master of women

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@eGremlin
has she put glitter spray all over her face?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

You are invited to our wedding btw

Nojokur
Nojokur

@New_Cliche
White girl. Black dick. I fancy.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@StrangeWizard
Glitter is very hot desu.

@New_Cliche
Probably exactly how I'd imagine your other half

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Nojokur
reposting old slams
pmsl
@New_Cliche
NEED to see the other pictures

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Need_TLC
Pick a number between 2 and 6.

@Dreamworx
tell me you want to choke me in sign language
Probably exactly how I'd imagine your other half
Not sure what you think of me

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Need_TLC
Yeah I posted her last time. Too good to not post again.

Imagine Euans type to be pic related with a beige trench coat and some steel toed boots.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Garbage Can Lid
5.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@MPmaster

@Sir_Gallonhead
I'm too ugly to have a type pal. I take what I can get

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Soft_member
not bad desu but you could do better
@Sir_Gallonhead
NEED to move down to London to match with more girls like this

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Soft_member

shes not bad looking but shes prob insane

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Soft_member
That girl is slamming. Would smash her into oblivion. This probably sounds like a meme but I'd class myself as a 6/10 on a good day. There's more important things.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Final post in this series.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@lostmypassword
Nice lid. Go for the kill now. Set a time and place.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@lostmypassword

likes being choked in your bio

for what purpose?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Playboyize
Not that I like being choked, I'm not a freak. It says I'm looking for a girl who likes being choked

Methshot
Methshot

@Deadlyinx
nothing wrong with liking being choked lid. feels great when you're Cumming.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Methshot
trusting some random slag not to kill you and steal your bet365
pmsl ok pal

Snarelure
Snarelure

Why cant I make a Tinder account and just put "paying £££ for bet365 accounts" and get loads of accounts that way?

i BET this is what Hass does

WebTool
WebTool

@Snarelure
Has uses grindr. So much easier to get accounts if you're willing to get down on your hands and knees.
@Carnalpleasure
never thought about it like that lid, too shrewd for me

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SomethingNew
doesn't know what de facto means

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Flameblow
there are multiple ways to play that situation

you can actually put some info in about the hand for some programs and find out the best line to take considering the very specific hand and the players in it.
this type of calculator is kinda new and it can take some times to do the calculations.

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