Must be able to work flexible days and hours

Flameblow
Flameblow

must be able to work flexible days and hours
must be able to stand up at all times and provide excellent customer service
must have reliable transportation vehicle
$9.00/hr
20 hours a week

Tell me this isn't modern day slavery.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct1Moeaa-W8
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/business/dealbook/when-you-dial-911-and-wall-street-answers.html?_r=0
http://www.wsj.com/articles/lynn-tiltons-firm-says-transcare-probe-is-improper-and-abusive-1465938227
Nojokur
Nojokur

@Flameblow
This isn't modern day slavery.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Flameblow
especially when a job pays 11.25/hr and requires 2 years of experience. might as well kill myself at that point.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Flameblow
It makes going to college a hell of a lot easier. People literally throw monies at you.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Flameblow
Dream big

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nude_Bikergirl
Canada? kek

FastChef
FastChef

learn programming as a hobby in high school
know a business consultant who introduces you to small businesses and other consultants
make $30/hr starting out as a freelance web/app developer with no degree
planning to advance to $50/hr by the end of the year
Get on my level, which is really not all that impressive of a level because web development is easy as shit. Only real obstacle is finding clients.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Flameblow
I just got a stable job (50k/year) doing exactly what I want to do, but, I had to basically sink all of my wealth (80%) into a home (no rental joints out in the bush). It may end up costing me in the end, but, eh, if I stick around for 10 years and get a few raises, it will be worth it. I still have 50 grand and my wife got a job making about 30 a year, but, I hate sinking that much into a fuckin home, I feel they're just too volatile and uncertain. But you know, it's not really an investment, it's a place to live and not have to put up with gay landlords or something.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@FastChef

i make $30/hr
i work 5 hours a week

Methnerd
Methnerd

@FastChef
What did you have in your portfolio?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Flameblow
not required to work from sun up to sun down every day of the week all year long
qualifications needed: ability to stand up and smile
you also have to get yourself here like every adult in the world
make 18% more than the MEDIAN Chinese income and 34x the median income of a citizen of Burundi
Pay no income taxes on the money
It's not modern day slavery.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@AwesomeTucker

some people have it worse so its okay that you are getting fucked because the dick is smaller
muh business owner has all the risk so he deserves a ferrari even though he was born into money and just manages not to completely self destruct his business = success

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@FastChef

Sounds good, do your clients usually accept straight away or what. Like what do you say to them, "having a website will give your company a place in 2016". That type of thing?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat
even though HE was born into money
How do you know that
A) the /biz/ness owner is male
and
B) That they were born into money

Supergrass
Supergrass

@GoogleCat
muh business owner has all the risk so he deserves a ferrari even though he was born into money and just manages not to completely self destruct his business = success

How else would you have it?

The government telling people how to run their businesses?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nojokur
Because all business owners are evil WHITE, CIS, MEN.

#OcuppyWallst
#FeelTheBern

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Nojokur

small loan of 1 million dollars

@Supergrass

a livable minimum wage would be a cool start

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Anything under $12hr is literally unliveable in 2016.

Raise the min wage already.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nude_Bikergirl
a livable minimum wage would be a cool start

What do you define a livable wage?

And what happens if when businesses are forced to pay this higher wage, they instead hire less employees and lay a lot of people off?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Garbage Can Lid
Raise the min wage already.

What if I told you that raising the minimum wage is actually harmful to the most vulnerable people of the workforce, the Minimum wage workers (and thus the "lower class")?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Garbage Can Lid

$12/hr is godly here. you need a bachelors to get anything more than $10-11

(min wage $7.25)

happy_sad
happy_sad

@MPmaster

i would tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about and your beliefs are rooted in classist pseudo science and hatred for the lower class

"there is no way that rich people could be less rich thats fucking impossible enjoy your scraps faggot"

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Soft_member
$24k/yr is godly

No you unskilled loser, you can easily make more than that with a job in a warehouse or as a server.

@happy_sad
i would tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about and your beliefs are rooted in classist pseudo science and hatred for the lower class

Hatred
It has nothing to do with hatred, you just don't understand economics.(quite clear why you're poor the more you post)

Watch this simply video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct1Moeaa-W8

takes2long
takes2long

@Lord_Tryzalot

less employees making more money > more employees making less money

upper class would rather see millions of immigrants and poor fucks shitting in the streets for $3/hr than someone that can pay their bills

massdebater
massdebater

@cum2soon

warehouse -> $8-9/hr tops

server -> good luck if you don't have tits/even if you have tits you are probably only getting scheduled ~20hrs a week

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot

Liveable means a person can afford the most basic elements of life in that particular society.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
Guess I just got lucky because I've gotten paid more than that while saving for college and I had no remarkable skills.

less employees making more money > more employees making less money

What? How is fewer employees making a bit more money make up for higher unemployment? Watch the video I linked you retarded poorfag. It's like 4 minutes long, don't be as lazy as you are in your regular life and watch it

@idontknow
Liveable means a person can afford the most basic elements of life in that particular society.

How much should it be?

$15/hr for mcdonalds workers who flip burgers like those black people were protesting about a while back I recall?

Techpill
Techpill

free to choose if you want to take said job or not
somehow that's slavery

Methshot
Methshot

@Techpill
Not having the latest iPhone when it comes is LITERALLY slavery

The minimum wage should be raised to at least $50/hr, those rich wallstreet bourgeois scum can pay for it, they're making millions in bonuses or something

Methnerd
Methnerd

@hairygrape

god the fucking strawman is so fucking strong

he said minimum wage should go up so he means fast food is worth $15/hr

how the fuck someone digging fucking ditches or unloading trucks in 100 degree heat for $8/hr asking for $10/hr always turns into "them smelly lazy niggers want $15/hr for fastfood"

its not just fastfood. EVERYTHING is underpaid. 9/10 of my friends with bachelors degrees are making fucking ~$30,000/yr and without one you are worth $20,000 at best.

and from a little fuck boy who lives with his parents and is "saving for school" too. come back in a few years when you move out of your mommies basement

globalization was a fucking failure and has destroyed the value on labor in the united states

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Techpill

starve and be homeless or get underpaid for your time

"choices"

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@idontknow
the irony is that most people are well aware that minimum wage is much more than enough (in america) because nearly all careers start there, or at least we've worked min wage in high school/college.

why do poorfags believe they are fooling anyone when they say shit like this?

guess what happens to your quality of life every time we raised wage? you buy some trivial consumable or a slightly nicer car, and do fuck all with your life again.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Methnerd
EVERYTHING is underpaid

Things can't be underpaid. The market decided that is how much their labor is worth.

9/10 of my friends with bachelors degrees are making fucking ~$30,000/yr and without one you are worth $20,000 at best.

What school, what degree, what GPA, did they network whatsoever? Did any of them do a single internship during all 4 years of college?
inb4 no

come back in a few years when you move out of your mommies basement

I am going to college right now and working a job, pretty comfy actually. Making a lot more than you or your friends and in comfier conditions too. Stay poor

globalization was a fucking failure and has destroyed the value on labor in the united states
Only if you're easily replaceable.

If "Pajeet" or an illegal immigrant if replacing you i think the issue might be within you being so worthless you can get replaced by someone like that.

how the fuck someone digging fucking ditches or unloading trucks in 100 degree heat

Oh yeah maybe you should have built some sort of skillset instead of digging ditches or unloading trucks. That's a job for an illegal immigrant from a poor shithole who can't even speak the language. In all likelihood your family has been here for at least two generations and you're STILL poor?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@SniperGod

everyone is either going to be a bigshot buidness man like me or die in the street with pajeet

yeah all the unpaid internships my friends did really paid off... they totally weren't scams at all... totally nailed them high paying jobs right out of school (nope)

im saving for school
im actually in school

get your story straight boy

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Carnalpleasure
get underpaid

How do you expect to be paid more than you make for the company? Why even hire you in the first place?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@CouchChiller

holy fucking shit i make 100 fold what the company pays me.

nigger felon tyrone has been on smoke breaks all night and gets paid the same shit.

if i ask for a pay raise you will fire me and hire another nigger who will steal from you and cause you a massive loss in productivity but you don't care because you suck at running a business and just seek to drive labor costs down even at a loss in productivity.

no matter how poorly you manage the shit though you still show a profit because of how hard you rape the employees and your boss gives you another raise and a parking spot closer to the building.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BlogWobbles
im saving for school
im actually in school
get your story straight boy

I said WHEN I was saving for school(not too long ago), you retarded poorfag. PAST-TENSE, I guess the correlation between low intelligence and being poor really is true...

I'm sorry but Bernie is out of the race, it's not going to change. Your communist revolution has been stopped in its tracks with his endorsement of hillary clinton.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@CouchChiller
There's both supply and demand. When supply is high we say the price of something is "cheap" so I can relate that to being "underpaid". At some point it's so low it's not worth it to supply the product. You can't have such an oversupply of labor and expect people to still work.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@JunkTop
Keeps using racial slurs

It's quite clear you're from /pol/, try going back there. This isn't a board for racist losers

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx

Of course, that's how markets work.

There's a reason McDonalds workers don't get paid nearly as much as say, a garbage man.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Fuzzy_Logic

i know how markets work

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Ignoramus

Keep "slaving" away senpai

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Dreamworx

tell me more about how you are gonna get your own apartment after your trump coins are worth $3000

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Fried_Sushi
That's more likely to be you or people who share your viewpoint

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Fried_Sushi
implying

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Flameblow
Boy you guys sure are reaping the benefits of competeing with Mexicans and punjabs for wages.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TreeEater
How subhuman do you have to be to get outcompeted by someone who can't even speak the language nor has even lived in the country for over a year?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater

dont worry user those jobs they took and devalued were things you wouldnt have wanted to do anyways

enjoy working at starbucks for $9/hr its a really good job!

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Burnblaze
This is a board for business and finance, no one here works those kinds of jobs. You might be looking for /pol/ or /r9k/.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure

live 20 deep in a house together
work for $5/hr

its pretty easy for them to outcompete us user

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Snarelure
You don't have to speak the language to press buttons on a machine or dig a ditch you facetious moron.
Them lowering the pay on said jobs erodes your bargaining power at other jobs - now you can't go and dig ditches for $20/hr so why would Starbucks offer you more to ensure they're your best option? They won't.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@SniperGod
its pretty easy for them to outcompete us user

But why don't you have any skills?

@SniperWish
This is why you develop a skillset, go to college or start a business.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Emberfire

people here work

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SniperWish

and the guy digging the ditch is making 50% less but somehow the price to dig the ditch stays the same...

capitalism is great

TechHater
TechHater

@BlogWobbles

i wanna open a restaurant. im a really good chef.

wanna loan me $5 million dollars?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@CouchChiller
If you hate capitalism why are you even here?

go flip burgers and cry about "niggers and jews" on pol or something

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TechHater
if you were any good right now is probably the easiest time in history to get money for a business

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Flameblow
"The requirements for this job do not fit me at all."
"Hey, I have an idea. Im going to tell them I am not interested, and apply to a different job!"

FastChef
FastChef

@BlogWobbles

get a STEM degree
lose your job to a pajeet willing to work for nothing

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@FastChef
That doesn't happen you retarded fuck

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

work as an EMT
operate an emergency vehicle
make life or death medical decisions
deal with human garbage on a daily basis
get attacked by drug addicts
get spit on/pissed on/shat on by drunks
carry joe or jane fatass down 4 flights of stairs
paid $11.60 an hour

firefightsers in my city make $71,000 a year starting
there have been 4 fires so far this year

EMS is paid poorly because its a transitory industry, just a stepping stone for people to get their start. But its a transitory industry because its paid poorly. I'm trying to move over to the police myself, talk about a catch-22.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BinaryMan

the restaurant i work at right now took a group of 10 upper class guys to leverage everything they owned on like 8 million dollars worth of loans to buy/develop an existing property downtown

easy to do

poor people don't get million dollar loans user

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Fuzzy_Logic

$11.60 /hr? fucking overpaid we need more mexican EMTs

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@New_Cliche
poor people
good at cooking
don't make me laugh. anyway, the last thing you would want to do as a poor fucking idiot who is clearly worthless to the world is to own a big restaurant suddenly with a massive debt. fuck you. go learn under someone who is actually good at cooking and make something of yourself first.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@New_Cliche
This is the average trump supporter

top kek

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Dreamworx

you dont know much about the restaurant biz user

almost everyone i work with went to culinary school and accumulated tens of thousands of dollars of debt for a $10-12/hr job

kitchen managers work 70-80 hours a week for like 35,000/yr and have been doing it for decades

also historically poor people are the best cooks because they actually have to cook food instead of paying schmucks to do it for them

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Nude_Bikergirl
Going to culinary school

There's the first mistake.

What the fuck do they teach you there? How to saute some onions?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@whereismyname
what frustrates me is that there people I work with who talk shit about the fast food workers pushing for a $15 wage saying why do they think they deserve that money when we do so much more than them.

Yes we do more than them, and yes we deserve to be paid more than we currently are but why does that mean other workers should be paid less? Point your anger at the people who control the whole pie rather than those who have a couple more crumbs than you.

Besides even if I put my personal feelings on the matter aside, they were out on the streets campaigning for this for YEARS. So far be it from me as a fellow member of labor to say they don't deserve anything they were able to wring from management.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Garbage Can Lid

yes user thats all there is to learn about cooking

were your chicken tendies good tonight? did mommy cook them right? i hope she didnt try to make you eat those yucky vegetables again

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Crazy_Nice

its pretty easy for the elites to get the lower class fighting amongst themselves instead of looking at the bigger issues and coming together

#BLM

girlDog
girlDog

@takes2long
@massdebater
What country do you live in that you can't get gov. assistance on a min wage salary?

farquit
farquit

@Nude_Bikergirl
i work with some losers, therefore i know everything about this business
poor people best in biz how irony is that!

my point said nothing about every cook on the planet making millions of dollars. i said if you were good, people would hand you cash right now to open a place up in any number of growing cities. good doesn't mean you went to school, dummy, it means you have auctioned off dinners or presented at shows and had big shots love your shit consistently. if you want to circumvent this shit, go back to school to become a "good" businessman, work a real job so that you're not poor anymore, and then open up your restaurant.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@girlDog

i dont make min wage. i make just enough to pay my bills and take a vacation once a year like a good goy.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@farquit

you have no clue what you are talking about

99% of chefs dont make shit. they are a disposable piece of the machine that is the kitchen run by some faggot that sits at home and counts his money.

the only ones that do make money its off their image moreso than their talent and they are just pseudo celebrities

takes2long
takes2long

@Sharpcharm
the same people who complain about minimum wage are the same people who don't live with roommates, have a smartphone with a major mobile service (at&t, t-mobile, etc), have cable tv, and buy other useless shit that drains their paychecks.

i know someone who just bought the new nexus phone and complained about the price. Meanwhile I told him about metropcs being way cheaper ($35 a month), only catch is texts dont go through sometimes and no galaxy/iphone as an option at teh store. He goes "nah, i need my texts"

you need food, you need running water. You even need phonecalls for job interviews and such. "something that requires you to only use 2 thumbs is not important" - forgot which comedian said that

askme
askme

@takes2long
nice anecdote, but your friend being a dumbshit does not mean minimum wage should not be raised

iluvmen
iluvmen

@takes2long

be happy with your dirty water flynt michigan
you are lucky you even have running water
the fatcats need their raises again

idontknow
idontknow

@cum2soon
every restaurant owner just sits at home counting money
don't forget smoking cigars at the playboy mansion while jetskiing on a helicopter twice a week.

chefs don't make shit if they are shit. but it is definitely a career driven by passion more than financial reward.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@idontknow

the worst owners ive seen are the ones that try to micro manage the buisness

the best are the ones that just sit at home and count their money

either way they would be more successful/make more if they actually valued their employees, paid to keep good cooks and didnt try to grind them into the dirt

its insane the turnover rate/inefficiency every kitchen deals with instead of just paying people a couple more bucks an hour. they could pay employees more and still make more money but instead they try to minimize labor costs and end up pissing some guy off that walks out the door with $300 worth of meat burning on the grill

Methshot
Methshot

@Sir_Gallonhead
You don't need to spend money on culinary school to know how to cook

It's as simple as literally following a recipe online

TreeEater
TreeEater

@askme
but it does mean the protesters are making false claims and simply whining about things that ultimately make no difference to them. the whole joke is that a company, not a real cause, is the reason people are just rambling in the streets about the entire fucking government and economy of a country, rather than solving a problem of one industry/market or another if one exists.

people like this @iluvmen
are just consumers of media and a statistic for ad agencies. they will bounce between one subject and another always fantasizing about oppression and privilege in a context that does as much as telling your friends the features of the new iphone.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TreeEater

oppression and privilege are fantasy

whew

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Poker_Star
inefficiency
every kitchen
i'm really struggling with the idea that every poor kid who just got out of school thinks they have a better business strategy than everyone in their field, but just doesn't have the opportunity to execute it.

especially since there are national and global competitions and recruitment efforts just for people in that situation that generally don't turn up much.

you're not a good cook and if you don't like the culture in your industry, fuck off.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
I see oppression and privilige every time I step outside of the door.

That's why I stay indoors, on Veeky Forums, all day long.

Evilember
Evilember

@Carnalpleasure
people can't fantasize about something that exists
#triggered because his entire life of telling people to wake up and check their privilege has been trivialized

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Poker_Star
that's not unique to restaurants unfortunately, its a frustration in a lot of businesses. I'm the EMS guy from before and I see it constantly in my job. I work for a private agency that does the 911 response in the cities immediately north of NYC. Almost everyone who works for my company (including me) has applied to work as an EMT with the FDNY which does 911s in the city. For me, and for most others, we prefer working in the smaller communities outside of the city as most of us live up here, its significantly more relaxed, and for lack of a better word comfier. But going into the city would be approximately a $4/hr pay increase, and a massive step up in terms of benefits for what is only a slightly harder job.

There's a 2 year waitlist on that job, so every three months when the FDNY has another academy class we lose more of our experienced guys, replaced with raw rookies. If they paid just a few dollars more the amount of defections would drop like a rock, and the level of patient care would skyrocket.

But no, that would cut into my boss' yacht money. His fucking Jag's license plate is out2sea.

SniperGod
SniperGod

YEAH! $15/HR MINIMUM, NO $30. FUCK IT WHY NOT JUST PAY EVERYONE ONE-HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR?

Those fatcat billionaires can definitely afford to pay for it

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Flameblow
must have reliable transportation vehicle
This is discrimination

SniperWish
SniperWish

@askme
it should be abolished. if you don't like the wage, then don't fucking work there pleb

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sharpcharm

it doesnt help when the management is a bunch of white color fuck boys who act like you

instead of taking any kind of constructive criticism they act like they already know the answer in a field they have absolutely no experience in/couldnt perform the job of an employee making a fraction of their salary

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Flameblow
if they paid a few dollars more, the fellows in the city would do the same most likely if it made a difference to get those experienced cucks. stick to what you know, little guy.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Garbage Can Lid
lol

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat

god forbid that happened. gotta keep those plebs in their fucking place. gonna get all uppity and shit when they got a little pocket money.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TreeEater
No I'm not sure I agree with that, I think the reason its become a government issue is because of inaction from management of those businesses. Its only a matter of time until labor action of that magnitude is going to attract the attention of left leaning politicians who either are genuinely pro-labor or like my governor Andrew Cuomo (excuse my cynicism) see an opportunity to jump in and make a name for themselves once the issue has already been established by the hard work of community organizers and labor leaders.

I'm a pretty pro-labor guy if you couldn't tell, but not exclusively so. I know that jobs only exist when labor management and capital all work together. So now that $15 min/wage is coming to NYC I'll be interested to see what effects it really has, positive and negative. If it does turn out to have been a mistake and many businesses are forced to close I wont be too proud to admit it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

mfw

JunkTop
JunkTop

@RavySnake
constructive criticism
PAY ME MORE IM GOOD WAAAAAA YOU JUST COUNT MONEY ALL DAY WAA REEEEEEEE I HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN YOU!

if the management is shit then the restaurant is shit. go find a decent one or genuinely talk with your management about making shit better. your behavior is exactly the reason you're being paid and treated like a dog, not the other way around.

it's not about white collar fuckbois, it's about the unfortunate vast majority of people who are assholes, with or without money. if you want respect and a good wage, earn it you fucking dick. it might not be fair but you have a whole lifetime to do something with yourself beyond complaining. if people acted like me and knew what you thought, you wouldn't even have a job.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TurtleCat
if you had a point to make I didn't get it

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime

labor costs are ~10% for most businesses

god forbid the stockholders took a 1% hit so the employees could pay rent though. better to give the manager a $10,000 bonus to tell Jim to clock out 15 minutes earlier every night and save the company $2.50

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@JunkTop

even with shit management they print money. enjoy your $11 glass of wine bigboy.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@JunkTop
constructive criticism
PAY ME MORE IM GOOD WAAAAAA YOU JUST COUNT MONEY ALL DAY WAA REEEEEEEE I HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN YOU!
when you strawman this hard no one is going to bother reading what you wrote afterwards, I know I didn't

can you talk like an adult please?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@JunkTop

yeah thats not how shit works man...

work harder
get paid the same
get expected to do more work/leave the latest

bitch the loudest
get paid the same
get to go home early

Supergrass
Supergrass

pls stop your micro aggressions I'm posting from a safe space

MPmaster
MPmaster

@LuckyDusty
#starvingafricans

@StonedTime
i'm all for the min wage to be reevaluated periodically and openly discussed to be honest. and i think the experiments will go well and lead to higher wages. it's pretty lame that instead of being more flexible and innovative, we just lure immigrants in to take the jobs and/or convince people to make unnecessary sacrifices.

but it won't change their lives much if at all. you shouldn't be an adult working minimum wage in the first place, whether that means you are being undervalued or you are just abusing yourself deliberately.

the people that politicians target and can influence are a small handful compared to campaigns from the companies and organizations looking for a profit on stirring shit up or getting their members higher wages. some politicians just repeat what some of these movement leaders say to seem relevant, but most of the time they are worlds away from these issues.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fuzzy_Logic
his exhaustive list of points were exactly those things:
i'm good and deserve more money
all restaurants are inefficient
managers (i think he means owners) just sit and count money all day

is this constructive?

@Stupidasole
working hard
doesn't mean anything.

bitch the loudest
doesn't mean anything

if you can't even have a conversation with somebody in your industry, how the fuck do you imagine you deserve your own business in it?

5mileys
5mileys

@Evil_kitten

oh i can totally have a conversation. they tell me how great of an employee i am and thank me for the input then they close their door and blow it out their ass and giggle.

next week rolls around and we have the same preventable problems again and we lost another couple employees because everyone is treated like cattle.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evil_kitten
working hard not meaning anything

Just jumping in randomly, but what the fuck? That's literally the crux of American values and entrepreneurship. Telling someone their hard work doesn't mean shit is blasphemous and fucked up. That's exactly why we have fucking NEETs more than ever in history.

We're dealing with a generation where their hard work isn't being accounted for. Hard workers deserve better pay and better benefits; slow workers deserve the set minimum; average workers deserve average pay and benefits.

How are you going to sit there and tell someone their hard wok doesn't matter or count? That's fucked up.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@MPmaster
I was actually discussing this point with my father the other day as we were driving through the Bronx. He raised the issue that when he was my age the area we were in used to have tons of factories that employed mainly first generation immigrants from the west indies, and paid only slightly above minimum wage.

Those unskilled labor jobs are all gone, they've been shipped off to third world countries and they're never coming back. The same types of people who used to work those unskilled jobs now work in fast food.

askme
askme

@cum2soon

he is management material. probably make it really far with his "stick it to the little guy" attitude and they will let him drive some company into the dirt and bail out with a severance package right before bankruptcy

likme
likme

@eGremlin
I don't hate capitalism as such but I feel local workers should be protected from foreign competition via tariffs, strict border control and such.

Methshot
Methshot

@likme

"free trade" and "globalism" were designed to destroy the middle class. they actually have brainwashed people spouting memes about how removing the minimum wage would actually be good for the country.

they have you all to busy arguing about stupid shit while they make your schools worse, water down higher education and pit the lower class and middle class against each other.

return to feudalism within our lifetime.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@5mileys
is treated like cattle
continues to be a good little employee instead of solving anything

@cum2soon
your assumption is that hard work = fast, accurate, reliable work. everyone should be working hard at a certain standard, my point is that working harder doesn't mean that the business suddenly thrives and reinvents the wheel in the industry and needs to pay you in gold mansions to keep you there. most of the time people saying they work hard(er) are just doing needless extra shit or barely maintaining the standard because they are incompetent in the first place.

america relies on resilience and sweat, but i'm talking about an individual who feels entitled to more money and suggesting how he gets to that point. especially in food service and creative fields like it, relationships mean far more than just quantifying your effort into following instructions to your success.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TreeEater

food service a good employee directly correlates to profitability

less fuck ups, less food waste, less mess, less cleaning time, faster/better quality of service that nets repeat customers

you wont ever see an extra penny for it though and just expect to do more/harder work for the same pay

my only other work experience was 6 years in the army. don't even get me started... 90% of those fuckers were brain damaged mouth breathers constantly faking injuries and trying to get medical retirements while 10% of people did everyones work for the same pay

the "everyone gets the same" mentality of employers is fucking baffling.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Carnalpleasure
the "everyone gets the same" mentality of employers is fucking baffling.
Its basically like local socialism. Socialism implemented on a small scale by legislative fiat. Paying better employees more would be discrimination, after all.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Burnblaze

i dont understand why my employees are disgruntled, lazy and suck at life
i also dont incentivize good employees
maybe i should just employee more even lower paid employees to do the same job

the whole management philosophy in america is beyond retarded

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Firespawn
It's Fordism.

You make the standards so low so that you can always meet your standard with whatever yahoo you throw in.

This happens literally everywhere because they believe employees are fungible.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Carnalpleasure
paying people with the same responsibilities the same is baffling
choosing to do a job clearly meant for brain damaged mouth breathers is not baffling

you sound like a little kid crying for his dads attention. the quality of service and profit at a (real) restaurant depends on the whole team, everybody has very critical tasks and whether you do more than what you are expected to do or not, it's not up to you to decide what you're worth. if your place treats you like shit, and the next one, and the next one, then you are fucking DOG SHIT

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TurtleCat

everyone has the same responsibilities

they put the retarded kid on salads. if he fucks up it costs them a few pennies.

they put the hard worker on the fucking grill sweating dick. if he fucks up it costs them hundreds of dollars.

both get paid the same
you are fucking dog shit
murica

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@VisualMaster
literally using the grass is greener argument
be retarded then, so you can just toss your bosses salad all day.

sounds like you have no fucking clue man.

FastChef
FastChef

@BinaryMan

you just nailed the army experience for sure my man

just act retarded so you don't have to do as much work

JunkTop
JunkTop

@FastChef
couldn't expect more from a cook in the army

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@JunkTop

i packed antiquated ww2 parachutes for ~$5/hr

Nojokur
Nojokur

@StrangeWizard
imo the biggest issue I have with the raising of min wages, is that it shafts small business. They usually have smaller margins, big companies are usually the ones that don't treat their employees as well. I could be wrong though

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Fuzzy_Logic
holy fuck. A kid washing dishes makes more than an EMT? fucking no way man.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spazyfool
Yep, and I work in a union shop too. We do get annual pay increases and decent benefits but its still fucking nothing. I'm with a private EMS agency, but even municipal agencies pay like shit.

In new york city the FDNY pays its firefighters $76,775 as its starting salary, but it only pays its EMTs $33,649. Funny, I don't really feel like I do less than half the work they do.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sir_Gallonhead

gunshot wound
call ambulance
receive treatment and ride to hospital
$1500 bill
EMT makes $9 dollars

"You see user the market decided that EMTs are only worth $11/hr. This is very simple if you don't agree you are just an angry ignorant child communist"

idontknow
idontknow

@Evil_kitten
realistically your bill would probably only be around $500 for the ambulance ride, and as long as you have insurance it should be covered, have fun with the hospital bill though.

According to my bosses 911 EMS is surprisingly difficult to make much of a profit on because we pick up so many lowlifes who just don't pay, and don't really give a fuck if it fucks their credit. You can't exactly repossess medical care. Much easier to make money on medical transports, like transporting some old lady from the hospital back to her nursing home, because they have to be pre-approved by the insurance so its guaranteed money.

The more I've worked this job the more I've realized that 911 EMS should not be privatized. There was a really good article about it in the nytimes a couple weeks ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/business/dealbook/when-you-dial-911-and-wall-street-answers.html?_r=0

its become a bit of an issue since one of the agencies here in the NY metro area that did 911s for a number of municipalities declared bankruptcy very suddenly, taking dozens of ambulances off the streets with 0 warning or contingency. People died because of it, and the former employees have still not been paid for the last 3 weeks or so of work.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@idontknow

i bet the guy that pulled that stunt got a raise

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
woman actually, Lynn Tilton is the former president of that company. She's a billionaire who is frequently called one of the she-wolves of wall street.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/lynn-tiltons-firm-says-transcare-probe-is-improper-and-abusive-1465938227

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Nojokur
In my experience working with a lot of small businesses in Europe, if they can't handle a minimum wage increase they were going to fail anyway.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Sir_Gallonhead
Unions are a fucking joke. A double edged sword really. You get some benefits, raises, and job security out of it, but in exchange you get union dues up the fucking ass, none of your employees can be fired unless they commit a criminal act, and you get the same raises as everybody else regardless of how hard you work. Most industry unions are like this, I'm sure about yours though.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@BlogWobbles
*Not sure about yours though*

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@takes2long
something that requires you to only use 2 thumbs is not important
Clearly, you've never stimulated your prostate.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Garbage Can Lid
Ba-Dum Psssh

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Skullbone

speaks volumes of how fucked up we are that being a "wolf" is a good thing and standing up for the poor/working class is laughable/shameful

couldn't imagine having billions of dollars and waking up and deciding to kill some dumb plebs to raise my profit margins on ambulance services

takes2long
takes2long

@viagrandad
These are people who believe they worked harder and deserve everything more than anyone else does. It's impossible for them to even consider they caught a lucky break or 3 to get where they are. Hence everyone else should have worked as hard as them but didn't,they're too lazy to be successful

Inmate
Inmate

@takes2long

sitting in a fancy air conditioned office and deciding who to kill or fire right before retirement

sounds like really easy work. guess you would have to surround yourself with really nice things and ass kissers to blind yourself to what a soulless cunt you are though

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Inmate
A lot of the time they have a total disconnect with reality.

A lot of people who have terrible managers do their best to avoid becoming them and send up working freelance just to avoid that sort of bullshit. Working relationships between freelancers working for each other are leaps and bounds better than interdepartmental politics and relationships.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

you can always tells who those (for lack of a better term) temporarily embarrassed millionaires are. they are angry defending the people they aren't . which is weird desu.

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