Making Money Online

Emberfire
Emberfire

ITT we talk about making money online
I have some specific-ish questions, but general discussion is encouraged because its all useful, or at least interesting

If possible I'd like to make a full living this way, but for now money on the side is good too.

Specifically, what I would / wouldn't be interested in:
would be:
any form of content creation (images, videos, music, reviews, articles, etc)
creating / hosting a website
freelance / contracting work IF I can learn the subject in less than a few months, and can be done entirely online
open to any other ideas

wouldn't be:
buying and reselling items
gambling
extremely risky investments. I'd love to hear them because they're interesting, but just a heads up I'm likely to go with something less risky
(I'm not saying I don't want any risk, obviously everything has some risk. I just don't want to throw my money against the wall)

I'm interested in stuff like the stock market and maybe crypto-currencies, but would rather not get into that stuff in this thread
(unless you have something particularly groundbreaking, cus there are plenty of threads for stocks / CCs)

Questions:

what are some examples reliable ways to make money online (I know anything I pursue has some risk)

any sites like YouTube, where content creators take a cut of the ad revenue.
Preferably with a reasonable amount of users

alternative ways to make money online? eg: patreon or kickstarting a successful product, etc

general tips - what to do / not to do - common mistakes - etc

If you don't have any answers to my questions, just discuss shit with others idrc

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Emberfire
yeah dailymotion is doing alright atm
dont know anyone who watches their videos but im sure if you marketed your stuff well itd make some money

but then again the same goes for utube, why not just do that?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
Apparently YouTube has started seriously cutting down the CPMs of their content creators
so not only will I be competing with millions of other wannabe pewdiepies and vloggers and prank channels
(don't want to do any of that shit, just saying it'll be hard to wade through the shite)
the revenue will actually be going down over time

So I'd rather find some site thats growing somewhat quickly and jump onto that wave

Speaking of which, anyone know of any sites that show the fastest growing sites / apps?

Booteefool
Booteefool

I have a site or 3
It's really hard to make money and get a consistent flow of traffic. The moment I stop advertising it, the moment the traffic stops.
It's really saturated. Takes years to built enough content to get a decent traffic flow. Unless you program some sort of new app or program that advertises itself, but that's really hard and good idea's are rare, and then you need to know a lot about programming to make it. And then you find out someone else has done it already before you.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Booteefool
If I may ask what sites are they?

I'd like to check them out, and if you want I'll give you some unbiased feedback

Also,
when you advertised were you actually growing your user-base?
were you generating a profit from the users when you advertised, or were you losing money?
do you have a mobile site / app for your websites?
how high are the costs (aside from marketing) of running a website (or 3) on the side

Evilember
Evilember

@hairygrape
I'm not going to post my sites on this mongorian chinese making forum

I own 1 article copy plagiarnism site, 1 forum and a few for shits and giggls

My forum is the most serious, that's were I put most of my time in. It will take another 2/3 years of work before it'll pay off tho.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@hairygrape
Costs are 50 bucks a year total but might have to make that 100 to 200 when my forum grows and switch to vpn.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@hairygrape
do you have a mobile site / app for your websites?
no but they're all adapted to mobile layouts.

I never paid for advertising, I'm talking about shilling it on social media, yt, other forums, etc.

WebTool
WebTool

@hairygrape
I can give you 1 tip, start 1 site and NO more, and continu with that site and put all your time into it.

I made the mistake at first to start 10 or so and it got completely chaotic, efforts spread and zero profit, now I tuned it down to 3 and no more.

StonedTime
StonedTime

By the way do not use facebook for shilling, they banned me 4 times now, total waste. They'll even ban you for making a page dedicated to your site and posting news articles on that page referring to your site, total bs. I use twitter & pinterest for shilling now

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@StonedTime
I was wondering about making fake FB profiles with pics of hot women, befriending random people and using these profiles to shill some website to make it popular. Would I get in trouble?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BinaryMan
kek, welcome to club friend
thousands have gone down the path before you, and thousands will go down after you
I give you 3 days max before they'll throw you off the ship

you have to be more original, use your imagination.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

What about writing SEO articles? I know practically nothing about that, but heard that some people manage to make decent money from that. Could some anons provide more info on this? For example, what skills are needed/how much time does it take to get started?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

my adsense earnings last month

JUST

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

checked
@Evilember
yeah fair enough, I doubt many people on Veeky Forums would be dickheads like the guys on /b/ , but there'd be a few
how are the sites doing in terms of revenue / profit?

@Firespawn
shit those costs seem like nothing, surely you're making a healthy income or at least good side revenue

@SniperGod
maybe sponsor some smaller / niche youtubers that are related in some way to your sites
( a lot of the smaller channels would be happy with $50 to $100 because they're making so little )

@WebTool
alright will do, Im pretty sure I have a couple of golden egg ideas but i guess everyone thinks that

@StonedTime
are you sure you didn't breach some rule?
thats like the whole point of facebook for companies, getting the name out?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@GoogleCat
This is not 2008 anymore m8

article writing is automated and done by AI

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@StrangeWizard
wow that looks unbearably low
assuming thats when you're not advertising

maybe your website lacks personality / community?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Ignoramus
Maybe it applies only for English? Because I'm from a non-English speaking country, and I often see ads where SEO writers are wanted.

Also, what about copywriting?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Dreamworx
have you made sure the UI / interface is:
quick and easy to use
unique looking somehow

and im assuming you dont have too many ads given that revenue

Something you could do is find a few small - medium sized celebrities (who are relevant to your topic) and agree to share yearly revenue in exchange for their sponsorship, cus it gives them a reason to promote your site)

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Lunatick
I think you mean this guy kek
@StrangeWizard
@Ignoramus

massdebater
massdebater

@Ignoramus
I did the math based on that table
calculator says you're making an average of 0.56 euros a day / 204 yearly
is that an accurate estimate of what you're actually getting yearly?

how much more do you make when you post about your site online

in your opinion is it a worthwhile investment?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Emberfire
Join stackthatmoney.com and take it from there

Trust me.

t. veteran

Snarelure
Snarelure

@massdebater
Dunno because I only really started 4 months ago

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

bump

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I've made all my money online since I was 14. 28 now. AMA.

likme
likme

@Garbage Can Lid
ok a few questions for you

what specifically did you do to make this money?

was it a reliable source of income or did you have to do other work on the side as well?

is it as good as it sounds?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Garbage Can Lid
How?

Techpill
Techpill

@likme
what specifically did you do to make this money?

Switched to laptop btw. Tons of different things though. Started with building out websites and monetizing with Adsense/affiliate products, had a site that did content creation (writing SEO content) back when this was first blowing up, had multiple ebooks/software programs I peddled, list goes on and on. I now mostly focus on my app business though which is 99% passive. I rarely work these days.

was it a reliable source of income or did you have to do other work on the side as well?

At first no, it's really hard to get consistent traffic/$ depending on what you're doing or thinking of doing.

is it as good as it sounds?

I'm 28, never had a real job in my life and I basically don't work at all. Spend most days chilling/at the gym/swimming, so yeah it's cool.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Techpill
noticed your ID is different but Im assuming you just switched to your phone / tablet / laptop so whatever

god damn that sounds like a great life
if you don't mind Im curious about a few other things

what sort of income are you making at this point in time?

what are the expenses of all that stuff?
I heard running a website costs almost nothing so Im thinking of doing that

would I require any degree / extensive knowledge / real skill to do that?
I've been reading a lot about app design, online monetization and business psychology, but nothing that broad
I'm actually 18 atm and havent chosen my course yet
(don't really want to go to uni but I will if I have to)

which one of those methods made the most money?
Im assuming the SEO phase has ended, so apart from that

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I have an app in the Android market that doesn't actually do anything that I have admob ads on. Is there any way to "game" the system to actually start bringing in some money?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@LuckyDusty
you could pay some company with a few hundred / thousand workers to repeatedly open / unopen the app loading the ads every day
if your app does LITERALLY nothing though, then you'll probably be suspected by google eventually

why dont you just make something stupidly simple, but fun and put ads in that?

TechHater
TechHater

@TalkBomber
noticed your ID is different but Im assuming you just switched to your phone / tablet / laptop so whatever

Yeah, was on my phone before.

what sort of income are you making at this point in time?

Depends on the year but I make in the range of what an engineer or STEM fag makes, probably more though based on my friend's salaries who are all STEM.

what are the expenses of all that stuff?

These days only like $100-$400 a month I pay my programmer to fix bugs/update SDKs. Websites though are cheap, just need to pay domain + hosting cost really, depending on what you want to do.

would I require any degree / extensive knowledge / real skill to do that?

No, I'm self taught in everything. I went to college for shits and giggles though and so I would have a backup in case business didn't work out. Huge waste of time/money, literally the only mistake I regret in life since it's the only mistake I didn't learn anything from.

which one of those methods made the most money?

Tie between apps and a few SEO'd adult oriented properties I had.

FastChef
FastChef

@CouchChiller

Well, it doesn't literally do nothing. It's just really simple, stupid, and pointless. It's been up for a while, but I've done nothing to promote it, so I only have a few monthly downloads and they usually uninstall it immediately.

How would I go about finding a company that does this kind of thing?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TechHater
@FastChef

ok so if websites are cheap, would that be the best way to go?
I do have a relatively simple app idea that could be fairly cheap to make
would it be a better idea to learn how to make it, or just pay so someone else can make it?
(I can spare $10-$20k atm)

or I was thinking a niche porn site, or would that require expensive servers to host all the videos?

and fantastic, I'd much rather convince the rents to give me the money to invest rather than spend it on uni

also I was wondering what you get paid on websites / apps per ad view / click?
surely if you were passing by a computer at a library or something you could just get on your website
and click on a few ads every now and then?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Illusionz
surely if you were passing by a computer at a library or something you could just get on your website

Don't do this. My brother had a very successful blog and he fucked himself over with adsense by doing this. I don't know how they figured out that he was clicking on his own ads on different computers, but they did.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Illusionz

Make an app. The future is mobile.

would it be a better idea to learn how to make it, or just pay so someone else can make it?

Always hire someone, the learning curve/time investment to learn quality coding is not worth it.

surely if you were passing by a computer at a library or something you could just get on your website
and click on a few ads every now and then?

It doesn't work this way.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Dreamworx
oh shit I meant to reply to your one
(hence the @FastChef
)

ok you can basically just google
"buy active app users"
you can pay them just to download the app, or they can come back every day and earn ad money

most of them are chinese / asian,

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

not just slowly acquiring more and more passive income streams

blog.objectiveforex.com/p/passiveincome.html

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Dreamworx
really? thats fucking scary, how could they know that

so even if you went to a library / internet cafe, and browsed the site like completely normal
(maybe clicking on 1 ad, or just viewing them)
making sure to leave ABSOLUTELY no evidence that the creator of the site is the one doing it
they could still catch you?
how tho

@Need_TLC
I was certain you were gonna say: "learn it yourself man its waaayyy better value" but colour me surprised

ok cool

what types of apps make the most money for you?
I hear free apps that have microtransactions / ads are all the rave,
but my app is a simple utility app, surely there'd be a market for $2 upfront useful apps?

@Lunatick
by the way, I have to warn you that they are on the lookout for this stuff
a better way would be to advertise it normally,
but if the app doesnt serve an actual purpose that wouldnt be worth it

@Lord_Tryzalot
how viable is bitcoin mining?
is the shit I need to start expensive at all?

what other passive income streams are there, other than the obvious stuff
(rent, websites, stock dividends, etc)

Spamalot
Spamalot

@King_Martha
what types of apps make the most money for you?

Utilities/productivity.

I hear free apps that have microtransactions / ads are all the rave,

This.

but my app is a simple utility app, surely there'd be a market for $2 upfront useful apps?

Correct.

takes2long
takes2long

Guys I also have an app idea
(who woulda guessed amirite)
but it involves a floating on/off button that you can bring inside other apps.
Its imilar to how FB messenger has the chat bubbles, (pic related)
Im concerned that I wont be able to release it on iOS because FB messengers bubbles arent allowed, so is there something in iOS that prevents one app being controlled / interacted with while in another app?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@takes2long
ok that pic is NOT related
fucking hell
this is the one I meant

askme
askme

@takes2long
so is there something in iOS that prevents one app being controlled / interacted with while in another app?

Yes.

Lunatick
Lunatick

self bump

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

guys I'm a freelance web developer. anyone interested in learning stuff or getting your ideas up and running can catch me at [email protected]

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SniperGod
How do you shill it without being seen as spam?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Deadlyinx
Go home pajeet

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Jeezos christ they´ve completely fucked up the layout of Adsense again

whereismyname
whereismyname

@haveahappyday
RULE 1. SPAM IS SUBJECTIVE.
Target the right user group, those are interested in that topic won't see it as spam, those who aren't will experience it as spam.

Methshot
Methshot

@whereismyname
Yeah but do you say "hey check out my website" or go "Holy shit this is a cool website I just found!"

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Methshot
Neither, I just post my articles

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Dreamworx
it took google 3 years to catch me. i was making 100 dollars a month doing that

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Nojokur
i was making 100 dollars a month doing that

Absolute mad man.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

HOLY FUCK DON'T CLICK ON YOUR OWN ADS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Raving_Cute
you can do it on other computers
or tell your friends to click your ads every day

5mileys
5mileys

@Boy_vs_Girl
Bad mentality, you'll never get rich like that or a good passive income flow. If you want a quick buck then consider sucking cocks.

askme
askme

Anyone have any experience with amazon affiliate review/blog sites? I have a couple of domains that could be used this way, not sure if it's still a viable option.

I was thinking of designing the site with bootstrap so it looks nice and then buying good copy.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@askme

Yeah, can make money doing this but only if you have good quality traffic and are selling high ticket items. I've pushed tens of thousands of pretty well vetted clicks through associate links and not made much (few $100).

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Emberfire
I am an SEO and a Marketer. I've been in IM for some time now, never full time as I don't put all my eggs in one basket. Currently in some big projects.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Burnblaze

What SEO shit do you do? Are you peddling in BST forums or are you SEOing your own properties? I quit fucking with SEO ages ago when they rolled out ambiguous penalties, must have been 5 years ago or so. Ironically I have a sort of "authority" site now that does very well when it comes to rankings, didn't SEO it at all but it got a lot of press, so great backlinks.

likme
likme

I am in the number one on the internet Revshare Company, This company's advertising & sharing plans were carefully thought through to provide a mutually beneficial experience over the long term.

With such plans you can't go wrong, because the quality of advertising services you're paying for out-weigh the price. Advertising purchases are delivered fast, and withdrawals are processed within 24 hours.

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This really is good and quality advertising. Give this one some real attention.

Perfect for promoting new releases, and your other opportunities.

You can use the traffic exchange for free, so there's no reason not to try this one out!

Methshot
Methshot

SEO is way too overrated. It doesn't even worth the effort.
I mean, yeah, sure put quality content on your site, which helps in the rankings, but everyone is so focused on SEO, while they are afraid to use adwords/facebook ads because they "cost money".

Generally speaking paid traffic > free traffic.

Also, if you want to make money with a website, you better have a product that you are promoting on it, because by itself it won't bring in shit.

You could go about becoming a freelance copywriter/content creator/whatever, but to do so, you should choose 1-2 niches, which you can specialize in (as in logo creator for local restaurants, or w/e). Then you can try freelance sites like fiverr and upwork(or whatever its name is now) to get your customers, or you can use facebook to get in groups that your target audience would join, and you could try getting clients there(not by spamming like a retard though), and you could use LinkedIn as well.

You could do online coaching as well. You only have to be a bit better than someone in an area of their life to be able to coach - and thus help - them. You can do 1-on-1 consultations or group coaching as well.

As it was mentioned before you could be an affiliate on amazon, or clickbank or whatever.

Also, you want to find the parts what you really like doing, and focus on that, while paying someone else to do the stuff that you don't enjoy/not competent enough, as for example learning to write commercially acceptable apps would take fucking long, during which time you could be making more money anyways, while not having to deal with shit like coding, if you don't even like it

Snarelure
Snarelure

@BinaryMan
Probably not.
But whatever you do, don't try to troll the horndogs that try to message you, even if it's tempting. Getting word out for your website is all well and good until someone demands more pictures of a fake person.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Methnerd
It does seem like a lot of work for very little (if any) pay off. Do you mind me asking if you've had any other successes making money online?

I've gotten some freelance graphic design work and I'm trying to generate passive design income. I was hoping the amazon affiliate would provide a backup income stream.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Carnalpleasure
It´s a lot of work for 2 to 5 years, see it as a hobby, after that good chances you´ll have a good passive income flow.

Supergrass
Supergrass

I have an idea for a gambling site
but is gambling fun when money isn't involved whatsoever?

(you would win something else people want instead, but you don't put down or receive money)

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nude_Bikergirl
If you are speaking of german or swedish, forget it. Japanese or chinese maybe bt probably not.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Carnalpleasure

Click my ID you idiot. Lol.

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