Discussion about poker, sports betting, sports trading and any +EV gambling

w8t4u
w8t4u

Discussion about poker, sports betting, sports trading and any +EV gambling. Discuss statistical mechanics, bankroll management, strategy etc..

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TreeEater
TreeEater

Does anybody have experience with smarkets? Will they close accounts that are too succesful or will they just leave them as they take the 2% commision off every profit anyway?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
I really wish I had bet on Brexit when it was 8/1 against, unfortunately I was piss poor at the time. As a value bet it was well worth it though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TreeEater
Exchanges don't close accounts, some levy increased charges on high volume traders.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Emberfire
Yeah, these kind of markets interest me as they're mainly driven by recreational gamblers, so when the bookies balance it you can get distorted prices so good value to be had, I remember it opening early on BF with closer prices around 3.5-4 for leave so it was a hard one to read.

MPmaster
MPmaster

flop quads
go all in
snap called
runner runner royal gets there

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@MPmaster
You do realize at a casino this is considered a jackpot hand right? Depending on the casino you could have won tens of thousands.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Evil_kitten
it wasn't in a fucking cash game
it was an online tourney near the bubble

Illusionz
Illusionz

I live in Vegas and I'm a pretty dang good player. I want to make poker my primary source of income but my bankroll management sucks. How many max buyins should I have before trying to grind cash games for a living?

Here's a small tourney I won last night lel.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Illusionz
Though I'm not a cash player I would suggest each buy-in be 2-5% of your bankroll

Techpill
Techpill

@Illusionz
Cash game 50buy-ins
Tourney 300 buy-ins

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz

Depends where you want to play in Vegas.

Play $1/$2 at a Shithole like Stratosphere - Like $2k will be fine.

Want to play $1/$3 at a hoodie wearer's paradise like Aria? Like 25 buyins+

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@iluvmen
@Techpill
Thanks

@Methnerd
Would like to start at 1/2 and 1/3 then work my way up from there. I never really have the intention of making huge huge money with poker, just enough to make a healthy living.

idontknow
idontknow

@TreeEater
@Dreamworx
not true

it isn't about being successful but rather the manner in which you trade, they're a smaller exchange and don't have the liquidity of betfair etc.. they also seem to provide liquidity to the exchange themselves ergo if you do things that affect the profitability of them doing that (i.e. you cause their liquidity providing operation to take a loss) you might well end up in them telling you to stop or banning you

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Emberfire
the interesting thing there is how open it was to manipulation - the volume of bets at bookies etc.. were mostly skewed towards 'leave' however the size of the remain bets were larger./.. some large remain bets kept the odds skewed towards favouring 'remain'....

now what is interesting is that the FX markets etc.. were all looking towards betting odds as a proxy for assessing the probability of brexit... if you really wanted to manipulate things then placing large bets for remain then going long GBP (before the polls closed) would have been a nice bet - obviously banks can't just go placing bets and for most funds it isn't in their investor docs etc.. either - some prop traders could though

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

tfw you donk bet the flop

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Spazyfool
tfw you flop 20 sets in a row and get paid off on a couple of them

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Illusionz

I'm a pretty dang good player
my bankroll management sucks.

Pick one, and only one.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I wanted to put some $ on Trump winning the general election. Thouhgt odds were great, but now that hillary got away with the server shit (wtf amerifats???), im doubting the odds are still in my favor.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Ignoramus

I got 5:1 on Trump. I also had 21:1 on Jeb lol.

TechHater
TechHater

AA
flop a set
only lose if a nigger gets a straight on the river
all in
lose to the straight

last time I played poker

iluvmen
iluvmen

what type of winrate do you think is possible at 25nl zoom bovada? What about 100nl? They have no rakeback so wonder how profitable it could really be.

back in the day people thought 10bb/100 was standard but when tracking sites started it turned out only like 5 guys won at 8bb/100 at each stake over 50k hand samples and it's probably safe to assume they ran above expectation.

problem is when you plug in 5bb/100 winrates into variance calculators you realize you're due 20 buyin downswings like once every 100k hands and I can't imagine playing through that. Around the 18th buyin I'd assume the site is rigged and withdraw for sure.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TechHater
Bad beats don't matter, only long-term winnings count. For this you need perseverance and proper bankroll management.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sharpcharm

yeah so just have aspergers when you play and grind 18 hours a day to profit on a dying, ever increasing in learning curve game thats banned online in america for the next 5 years minimum

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Ignoramus
when you bet on trump at 500:1

Such a fucking sick bet.

@TechHater
Seems like you got it in either on the flop or the turn, which is okay. Sometimes, niggers win. It happens. Just know, more often than not, they lose.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@iluvmen
i wouldn't fuck with bovada. they have more bots than any other site due to the anonymity. get on WPN, or their major skin, ACR, and you can get like 25% rakeback. if you're pretty good at poker, or pretty good at hosting, you should try to host a poker stream on twitch. you'll get subs and dono's to hedge against tourney buy ins, and then possible recognition to the point of a sponsorship.

you also have to remember that when the sites came out, everyone was multitabling for rakeback pro status. (a losing play in more than one way) when people multitable, their win rate goes down. just playing one table, it's not going to be unheard of having a winrate of 20bb/100.

@RavySnake
the poker boom is coming back. there's more money on live tables and more money coming in online, as well. legalization is coming as well, as it's been in a few states already. though, while the game is getting further solved, don't expect 90% of players to actually understand any of it.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire

If you're going to be thinking of whatifs, you should have bet on Leicester City...

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RavySnake
poker is coming back
proofs???

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Fun zone.

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.13, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 3.90, Hands: 194)
MP: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 41.75, PFR: 36.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 108)
CO: 181 BB (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 60)
BTN: 117 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 26)
SB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BB): 103 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Qd
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop : (16.5 BB, 2 players) 7c 8s 4h
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Turn : (38.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
Hero checks, BTN bets 21 BB, Hero calls 21 BB

River : (80.5 BB, 2 players) 3h
Hero checks, BTN bets 38 BB, Hero calls 38 BB

BTN shows Tc Jc (High Card, Jack)
(Pre 40%, Flop 40%, Turn 27%)

Hero shows Ac Qd (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 60%, Flop 60%, Turn 73%)

Hero wins 149 BB

@eGremlin
the increase in legalization? have you seen twitch poker?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Which poker variant would you say has the least amount of luck to it?

FastChef
FastChef

@Skullbone
Omaha Hi/Lo or O8. The kind of edge you can achieve is bigger. Variance remains huge in all games. Less action and interest means less money though.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I want to start playing poker to btfo my local casino.
Any guide on learning or strategy? I don't know if being an hugely autistic mathfag helps or not.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
Harrington on Holdem is a good read

MPmaster
MPmaster

@whereismyname
There's tons of resources out there, only a google away. Start with a book on nlhe cash, then brush up on latest concepts and theory, finally find forums or a discussion group.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@FastChef
Lol

least amount of luck
highest variance game

you are right that you "can" achieve a bigger edge if you find a table of people who are uninformed, but luck is biggest in Omaha H/L over a small-medium sample size.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberfire

Where can Americans legally bet on events like Brexit or election outcomes?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RumChicken
No where. Only places I've been able to gamble that seem non sketchy are cryptocoin sites oddly enough.
It sucks. I have no clue why gambling is so heavily restricted here in the states.

t. frustrated gambler in a state with no casinos

Nojokur
Nojokur

@w8t4u
A friend of mine said he is writing a computer program of 60k lines of code to gamble on sports matches.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StrangeWizard
Bovada and 5dimes are names my yank cousins have mentioned. You can set up an agent fairly easily though and use any bookmaker you want.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Emberburn
Where u get those odds, or was it after he announced?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@FastChef
Omaha hilo obliterates donk bankrolls. Getting it in bad at o8 is way worse than getting it in bad at nlhe.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@RumChicken
you can't... unless you use financial markets as a proxy

you're able to bet on GBP for example

I don't quite understand how 'gambling' is illegal over there when bets are essentially just derivatives - as far as they work at UK bookies they're essentially just binary options on particular events

TechHater
TechHater

I'm not crazy enough to try to live off it, but my lifetime blackjack returns are like 1500% with legit buy-ins. It's been a while but I keep thinking of rolling up with some larger hands since I've made off so well in the past.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@King_Martha
what? is online gambling illegal in murrica?

Evilember
Evilember

@Dreamworx

since the last time i was interested in poker 2 years ago, how many states have legalized? how many platforms allow americans to play at all? any movements? i get the feeling the shit is in the same exact spot as it was two years ago: nevada and new jersey separate pools on one site

we're still looking at like 5+ years for legalization again, if ever because of casino lobbying

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evilember

not that i care anyway because poker is really really time consuming, and really testing on patience. if you can find poker enjoyable to grind in you could find anything fun, including much more profitable things that don't have killer learning curves

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@whereismyname
They have too much freedom

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TalkBomber

like what? give me one example of easy money like poker was in 2007

Spamalot
Spamalot

@MPmaster

well if youve got a time machine back to 2007 then you could do a lot of things

takes2long
takes2long

@MPmaster
not nowadays though, 2007 poker was ridiculous.

farquit
farquit

@takes2long
poker
still not easy money

You just have to be a freak of nature, that's all. Know your current meta theory very well while being able to accurately describe equity situations and gauge player styles and be extremely self aware of yourself. That's all.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@farquit
it's still easy money if you are rain man
rely meks u think

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Flameblow
i have lost every hand in two days. WHAT THE FUCK.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

UTG: 8.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 6.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 55.31 BB (VPIP: 34.04, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 47)
CO: 3.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 24.75 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
SB: 10.89 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 30)
Hero (BB): 13.41 BB

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has Ac As
UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 13.31 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 7.65 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 5.79 BB and is all-in

Flop : (31.92 BB, 3 players) 9s 3h 5c

Turn : (31.92 BB, 3 players) 4h

River : (31.92 BB, 3 players) Kh

UTG shows Ah Qh (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [27.65 BB]: (Pre 12%, Flop 5%, Turn 21%)

SB shows 6c 6d (One Pair, Sixes)

Main Pot [27.65 BB]: (Pre 20%, Flop 13%, Turn 17%)
Side Pot [4.27 BB]: (Pre 22%, Flop 14%, Turn 24%)

Hero shows Ac As (One Pair, Aces)

Main Pot [27.65 BB]: (Pre 68%, Flop 82%, Turn 62%)
Side Pot [4.27 BB]: (Pre 78%, Flop 86%, Turn 76%)

UTG wins 27.65 BB
Hero wins 4.27 BB

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HATE

TOURNEYS

Supergrass
Supergrass

Give this a little bump. What have people been playing? How's this month gone?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@MPmaster
@MPmaster
give me one example of easy money like poker was in 2007

I used to torrent tons of poker training vids. The early card runners stuff was like 2008 and you'd have a pro playing 5/10 with multiple limpers. It was just loose passive fish with occasional tilting aggrotards everywhere. If you could fold 1 pair hands to a turn raise, you'd print money.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Supergrass
im up like 3 bi sadly enough
need to get some rakeback volume in

@Soft_member
this happens a lot in live games

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Snarelure
CO: 102 BB (VPIP: 17.91, PFR: 13.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 140)
Hero (BTN): 120 BB
SB: 75.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 22.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
BB: 79 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5c Ac
CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, BB calls 4 BB, CO calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, SB calls 10 BB, BB calls 10 BB, fold

Flop : (50 BB, 3 players) Js 7c 4c
SB checks, BB bets 15.5 BB, Hero raises to 105 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 48.5 BB and is all-in

Turn : (178 BB, 2 players) 6d

River : (178 BB, 2 players) 2s

Hero shows 5c Ac (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 67%, Flop 47%, Turn 41%)

BB shows 2h 7s (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
(Pre 33%, Flop 53%, Turn 59%)

BB wins 169.5 BB

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@CouchChiller
Lol holy shit you are so bad.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BinaryMan
Yeah dude, I'm so bad calling down with 72o. Okay, guy.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PurpleCharger
I didn't say he wasnt bad. He sucks and you still managed to play worse.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@BunnyJinx
Yeah, cause the guys range is literally any two cards, if you hadn't noticed.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StrangeWizard
It appears that so is yours. You 4bet with ace rag (lmao).

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@whereismyname
guy to my right is a tight player, and when he called, i can take the lead because his range is capped and i block his aces. i was wanting to originally 3bet him but i usually reserve that for non suited blockers

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@CouchChiller
Wow that was a great call. He had you down cold from start to finish. You might as well have just shown him your hole cards, that's how accurately he had you read. I would love to have seen the hands that lead up to this one. Brilliant play.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Lord_Tryzalot
i actually got him in the end with the same hand

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 159)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 340 BB (VPIP: 53.16, PFR: 26.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 79)
UTG: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 91.30, PFR: 81.82, 3Bet Preflop: 57.14, Hands: 26)
MP: 123.5 BB (VPIP: 18.15, PFR: 15.28, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 299)
CO: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 12.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 110)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac 5c
UTG raises to 27.5 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 27 BB, fold

Flop : (56 BB, 2 players) 9c Jh Kh

Turn : (56 BB, 2 players) Kc

River : (56 BB, 2 players) 5d

Hero shows Ac 5c (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 67%, Flop 75%, Turn 89%)

UTG shows 4s Qh (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 33%, Flop 25%, Turn 11%)

Hero wins 228.5 BB

farquit
farquit

@King_Martha
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac 5c
UTG raises to 27.5 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 27 BB, fold
Hero calls 27 BB
Hero calls 27 BB
Hero wins 228.5 BB
LolWot? Naw. You need to stop making up stories.

takes2long
takes2long

@farquit
nah i busted him with at
he had just punted off a 5bi stack with some bullshit

askme
askme

@takes2long
Naw lol. He started the hand with 127bb. You called an AI (or went AI yourself) preflop with ace rag. Thats just reckless poker. No wonder you get slammed by variance. You are a luckbox at best.

Inmate
Inmate

@askme
no im saying he had just punted off a couple hands before
he had only 25bb left really in the hand i was just fucking around
but my sd is like 85 which is kinda below avg

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Inmate
Lol k.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@CouchChiller
what is this? NL2 or facebook poker?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Soft_member
"No money in poker, everyone's solid" was already a meme on 2+2 in 2009, as far as I remember.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

BB: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 250.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
Hero (MP): 100.5 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 10.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 68)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.22, PFR: 20.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 234)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ts Th
fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3 BB

Flop : (8.5 BB, 2 players) 8s 8d 6d
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Turn : (18.5 BB, 2 players) 9c
BB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BB raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River : (54.5 BB, 2 players) 7h
BB bets 32.5 BB, Hero calls 32.5 BB

BB shows 6c 6s (Full House, Sixes full of Eights)
(Pre 19%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)

Hero shows Ts Th (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 81%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)

BB wins 114 BB

Nojokur
Nojokur

UTG: 75.5 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 101 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (CO): 112 BB
BTN: 120 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 27)
BB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 25.13, PFR: 20.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 195)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2s 2c
UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Flop : (12 BB, 6 players) 2d 3h 5d
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB, fold, fold

Turn : (52 BB, 4 players) Qh
SB checks, MP bets 35 BB, Hero calls 35 BB, BTN calls 35 BB, fold

River : (157 BB, 3 players) 9h
MP bets 54 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 54 BB, fold

MP shows 4s As (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 50%, Flop 64%, Turn 77%)

Hero shows 2s 2c (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 50%, Flop 36%, Turn 23%)

MP wins 252 BB

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

this dude was an absolute fucking drooler

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 58)
UTG: 42 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (CO): 101.5 BB
BTN: 120 BB (VPIP: 47.83, PFR: 30.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 23)
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad 9s
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 9c Js 6c
SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB, fold

Turn : (22 BB, 2 players) 8s
Hero bets 10.5 BB, BTN raises to 23 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

River : (68 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero checks, BTN bets 43 BB, Hero calls 43 BB

Hero shows Ad 9s (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 59%, Flop 52%, Turn 59%)

BTN shows Tc 4c (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 48%, Turn 41%)

BTN wins 146.5 BB

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
@Nojokur
@Spazyfool
Holy shit why are you posting these hands? What do you expect us to say, "ouch those are bad beats"? Honestly these types of hands are what seperates pro players from mediocre ones. You seem like the guy who can't seem to fold no matter what is happening on the board. I can tell by the way you play that you are unable to consider what the other player might have and you only think of whats in your own hand.

b-but I can't fold my set
b-but I can't fold my overpair

I don't even know what the fuck was going through your head with the A9. You could only really beat a total bluff. Learn to fold sometimes, fucking hell.

girlDog
girlDog

@Stupidasole
dude this is awful. he minraises you on the turn and ok some good players maybe would call here every now and then if they have a read on their opponent. But then he bets 2/3 pot on the river such an obvious value bet after the aggression on the turn.

Put yourself in his shoes, you bet on the flop. you bet-called the turn. If he bets the river, is he really expecting you to fold when the only hands the river helps are already threatened by the flop? No, thus he bets because he thinks you'll call and he has the best hand. He probably put you on 3 8s or JJ-AA and knew he could milk you doing exactly what he did.

learn from this.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Nojokur
This is the one where you maybe played the best. A good player could get away from this, but good players would do the same as you sometimes, depends on how the other players are playing.

Some advice I would give though is: people aren't bluffing every time they bet. more often than not they are trying to extract value from you.

@Spazyfool
fine up until the turn then you just suck. you c-bet and the button called you, so now you have someone calling you down who's in position and you have middle pair. time to let go and check fold on the turn. WHEN HE RAISES ON THE TURN WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CALL? SEE THE ABOVE ADVICE. WHEN HE FUCKING BETS 2/3 POT ON THE RIVER AND YOU HAVE 3rd PAIR WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU FUCKING CALL YOU FUCK?

Dude people aren't on these sites thinking they'll just bluff their ass off and get rich. Most players are competent and it takes a lot of work and analysis to beat them consistently. Put some work into reevaluating your decisions in these hands.

Get it together bro. I'm sick of this shit.

askme
askme

@viagrandad
Agree with all of this. I will add a little extra though. A good player would absolutely have been able to get away from the first hand because a good player would have reraised on the flop. Why just call a set when there is obvious straight draws and flush draws on the board? Once he reraised and was called there was really only 2 hands his opponent could have. A flush draw or a straight. He could have figured it out by observing how the other guy bet after the flop.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@askme
this
is the perfect response to that flop and preceding action.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@MPmaster
holy shit why are you posting poker hands in a poker thread what the fuck is wrong with you seriously?
why can't you fold when you're given the right price to call, what do you hate burning money or something and want people to exploit a high fold tendency?
im obviously a pro here you're such a fucking fish dude only pros snap fold this like it's their job, cause it literally is
i put my opponent on only two cards instead of a range based on their play pattern and tendencies

@girlDog
yes, on the turn, im getting a 3-1 price to call here. on the river, it's like 2.7-1. did you happen to see the other hand in this thread where i call down the same spot with ace high and got paid off?

@Dreamworx

stay scrub kid

@viagrandad
the button has a high float bet frequency. what you suggest, folding 2nd pair every time oop, is extremely exploitable.

though, did you happen to see how I was still ahead on the turn? when I correctly called? I should fold when I'm ahead? Okay, that's what pros do. Learn how to read bet sizing patterns. the higher the bet size, the more bluffs are in there. his line makes no sense, if he hit a straight on the turn, he'd call my bet and let me bluff into him on the river. if he had a set, he would've raised me on the flop. if he had overpair, he'd raise pre. if he had TPTK, he'd just call all the way down, maybe folding on the river.

try to game theory, bruh.

@askme
im actually having a hard time trying to understand your post. which reraise are you talking about in the 22 hand? the dude raise pre from the hijack, and you think you can only put him only a4 and one combo of some other hand?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
to exploit a high fold tendency
What you don't seem to understand is that it is much easier to exploit a high call tendency than a high fold tendency. It's ok to let go of a hand when you are beat. If you are aggressing all throughout the hand and he reraises you then you have to entertain the possibility that 1.he puts you on a good hand and 2.he can beat that hand. Learn to spot those situations instead of assuming that your opponent is always making a move on you.

see the other hand in this thread where i call down the same spot with ace high and got paid off
Wow one of your bluff catchers actually worked. Bravo. It's bound to happen when you are incapable of folding.

the dude raise pre from the hijack, and you think you can only put him only a4 and one combo of some other hand?
If he is not a total fish, then yes. The only hands he is just going to call you with is a straight or flush draw in that situation. Any other hand he is either folding or coming over the top. He might have even come over the top with his straight if he thought you had the flush draw, but the majority of the time he is only calling there, not wanting to scare you away.

SniperGod
SniperGod

What do I have to read in order to become a pro gambler.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Playboyize
I get the mathematical argument for the turn maybe, but for @Stupidasole
this hand, you're getting 1.68:1 to call the river. If you think you'll have the best hand there 60%+ of the time then it's fine, but I think you'll be calling with a worse hand 40-50% of the time (or worse). you lose to better straight, pocket 6s, pocket 9s, pocket 7s, 86, 89, 87, and with his aggression I think you'll see him show up with one of those hands more than 40% of the time making this a -ev play by you.
I KNOW ABOUT POT ODDS GUYS
ONLY GOOD PLAYERS KNOW ABOUT POT ODDS

also on the turn you have a fucking pair of tens. you're gonna bleed money away just calling every minraise because "he might be bluffing and the odds are good" maybe he made the odds good because he's got a good read on your hand or he's not scared of being beat at all.

For your comment about @Spazyfool
this hand, preflop you're fine, flop you're fine (would've preferred a check-call especially if youre c-betting all the time, but that's my style), but on the turn disregarding the argument about 2barreling, when he reraises you, why do you call? because you think you have the best hand? I know what you're thinking dude, you're thinking "Fuck, I c-bet all the fucking time and this guy doesn't believe me so he's bluffing, I'm not gonna let him bluff me I actually have a pair."
And that call on the river is garbage, you'll never meet a poker player in your life who has anything redeeming in the world to say about that river call. might as well have shoved if you're planning on calling 43, at least you could've folded out some worse hands. but no you actually thought you had showdown value with 3rd pair after a reraise on the turn and a large bet on the river.

These are my opinions and more power to you if you think you can play better.

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/fulltiltpoker/boomtowns/poker/results/17507E40652241BBB8F150D373F6F891.html?t=2
that's me btw so clearly off my game for a while.

FastChef
FastChef

@Nojokur
Question: why didn't you reraise on the flop here like the other user suggested. With so many draws and 4 people in the hand you were begging to get sucked out on. If you didn't reraise because you thought there was more than a 50% chance someone had a straight, then why did you call off your whole stack on the turn and river? Nothing you did here made sense.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@FastChef
I'm starting to think it's b8 dude. No one that bad would even know what hand histories are.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Skullbone
i have a high aggressive frequency. players love trying to either play more aggressively or trying to float me. its my image.

the chances that he's making a move outweigh the chances he's not. if he were a much tighter player, i'd be able to put him on aj+, but thats the thing, he would've already been raising pre to let me know hes strong. i was right to call the turn bluff. if anything, i should've shoved and realized my fold equity.

thinking that having bluff catchers in your range means you have a low fold frequency

if you put him on a4, you'd justifiably put him on a2 all the way up. his range is so wide that it's insane to fold. not to mention all the pocket pairs as well. he could easily have AA trying to see the turn making sure it either completes the straight draw or doesn't complete the flush draw.

@StonedTime
32.5 + 54.5 = 87 / 32.5 = 2.67
but then again that's actually not the correct way to calculate pot odds as i forget to include my bet
so it's
87 + 32.5 = 119.5 / 32.5 = 3.67

i know about pot odds
not realizing that the money you put into the pot no longer belongs to you and that the final pot youre winning includes it

I also block draws on the turn.

I called because the price.

32.5 + 23 + 12.5 = 68 / 12.5 = 5.44

If he's trying to extract value, he's leaving massive amounts of money on the table and I'm going to be able to exploit the living fuck out of him.

you would've snap folded at the sight of any draw 100% of the time. LOL.

dude, youre fucking stats are PATHETIC. 5k in a YEAR? IN 2008? LMAO. I MAKE 10K+ A MONTH PLAYING LIVE
HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU LITERALLY TRYING TO FUCKING

B R A G

ABOUT 5K A FUCKING YEAR?! LUCKBOXING A FUCKING TOURNEY?! I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY KEKKED AT A POST IN A LONG TIME BUDDY HOLY KEK

@FastChef
if the guy has an overpair, he might think i hit the q calling there and stack off on the river. im trying to get his entire stack, not scare him off of it. that's not how set mining works.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Garbage Can Lid
if the guy has an overpair, he might think i hit the q calling there and stack off on the river. im trying to get his entire stack, not scare him off of it.
Guy? What guy? I see 4 people in the pot. I still don't get the point of not reraising with a set. If it was a dry board, then yeah, slowplay it all the way. It wasn't though. There was multiple straight and flush draws out there. I don't know anyone that knows the game that would have played it like you did. It was just odd that you didn't reraise and decided to just call off your whole stack there. Would he really have pushed all in to a multiway pot with anything less than a straight, knowing a bluff wouldn't work since you were pot commited on the turn? I just don't see your reasoning there, sorry. Maybe you should at least consider the thought that it might have been a really bad play.

happy_sad
happy_sad

just started playing a week ago

this is a strategy i use at microstakes tables (.5/1)

if everyone just checks/small bets on turn and river, i go all in

everybody folds by default (they would have bet/raised otherwise)

i'm playing noobs. turned $20 into $80 by grinding like this though

w8t4u
w8t4u

@PurpleCharger
Yea, it has to be a troll. I thought he was serious until he says he makes $10k/month. That's really not possible with the way he plays.

massdebater
massdebater

@Soft_member
the one with the lead aka minraiser
plus, it puts sets in my check/call range which becomes difficult to play against
if he minraised with a4, he's probably a little looser than only getting it in with the nuts
not everyone knows that bluffing wouldn't work on the turn. there are a lot of people, even in this thread, who think it's wise to fold when you're either getting an auto-profit price or that you're pot committed.

if i reraise, what am i reraising with? remember, i called. it would most likely put on almost entirely on straights, but is that guy good enough to fold a straight? most likely not.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Garbage Can Lid
lol that's not how you calc pot odd bro. you were right I forgot to include his bet, but you would phrase it I'm calling 32.5 to win 87 or 2.67:1
seriously lol at
but then again that's actually not the correct way to calculate pot odds as i forget to include my bet
so it's
87 + 32.5 = 119.5 / 32.5 = 3.67

we're going in circles, but if the board is AhKhQhTh2c and you have 3d4d and are getting 1,000,000:1 on a call, do you make the call? the point is if you only use odds to make your decision you can be exploited.

Whatever though bro I'm sure you're winning a ton of money and that's why you're on Veeky Forums posting those golden hh. And yeah man 2008 was my freshmen year and when school got serious I laid off because I took my career seriously. Poker wasn't for me which was why I posted that to show you I'm talking shit but haven't played really in 7 years and was never that good. And as bad as I was, I know not to do what you're doing.

GL HF but you don't need luck, you've got skill :^)

Playboyize
Playboyize

@happy_sad
You're fucked when someone builds up notes on you pal, which would be relativley quick unless your playing zoom or rush or w.e

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@iluvmen
I put in a wrong formula to get you to look at your incorrect math.

Depending on the player, if I know they only play T+, then I know my equity there is 0% on the river. If I've seen him play 43 before, then I have to call 100% of the time.

Do you know about expected value? You use a range to calculate it. Let's say the pot is 1m and I have to call 1 on your board. Villain has literally any two cards in his range. my equity is about .2%. 199900.2 is the amount I expect to win if he plays all hands.

You played in 2008, and it's been what, eight years since? The game has changed entirely.

But as far as posting on Veeky Forums, you do know that martin shkreli has a trip on here? why would he do that if he has millions?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

who /tinder/ here?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Am I welcome here? I run a paid tipping page but fellow NEET's can have 25% off. Just let me know you're from Veeky Forums.
tipstertube.com/profile/basi-booms/

Firespawn
Firespawn

CANNOT stop matching and falling in love with South American ballerinas

Flameblow
Flameblow

We tinder now?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Firespawn
Please post her snapchat
@Flameblow
Throwing up desu

StonedTime
StonedTime

Biz janny such a fag.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SniperWish
standard of matches is down this week I will admit

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Literally CANNOT stop getting matches zzzzz

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sharpcharm
Yes you can but these /bet/ style posts will just get deleted.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@CouchChiller
only half decent match I've had all week after all those norwegisn worldies earlier in the month

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Would you? She's 18.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Firespawn
Need to get a flight to South America. Peter selling the idea too
https://youtu.be/oty8W2w49ro

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Ashamed by my tinder performance this week desu

Nojokur
Nojokur

Inbetweeners film on c4 lids, first one
@SniperWish
Any bets tonight?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Best that I've approached this week.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

LOVE the lack of toothpaste flags. Feel at home here.

Thanks Veeky Forums.

@ZeroReborn
/bet/ style posts
Tinderposting is only a small part of /bet/ desu. /bet/ is at an all time low though, must say the quality of discussion here is a lot better.
@JunkTop
Haven't had a match since before yesterday pmsl

Was /outshagging/ last night too, and this girl I was talking to rejected me when she found out I was just a 21 year old greasy student
Well she SAID it was my age

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Spazyfool
cropping
gonna report you to this lass
@Fried_Sushi
how old was she Hass?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Anyone used tinder social?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Nojokur
Yes friend. Loads on tonight
@StrangeWizard
NOICE
O
I
C
E
@Spazyfool
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HER EYES LID

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Need Euan to come here and post some 1/10's, both betting wise and tinder wise. That's all he's capable of I think. pmsl

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Raving_Cute
WhatsApp profile lid, she's busty as hell. Approached her on the train.

Also that is horrific.
@Garbage Can Lid
P-please she's cute irl

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

absentmindedly swipING right as I I check the rugby schedule
match with some kind of he'll spawn
SEND HELP
@Lunatick
only for threesomes lid

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Raving_Cute
27. Hate student nights desu, much better atmopshere at these other clubs/bars like Infernos and a few smaller places like in Clapham Common but the crowd is a lot older. Got a bit of baby face on me too since I prefer being clean shaven.
@Harmless_Venom
Approached her on the train
Did NOT realise people did this.
She looks Somalian desu.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Crazy_Nice
Pmsl. My trip has a global ban until the end of the month for doxxing the Jew. Don't have anything worth sharing. Tried using the line "what will we call our children?" but didn't work as well as I hoped.

girlDog
girlDog

@MPmaster
Tanzanian lid. Approaching girls in public so SO world. Plus I work in a sales job atm so no shortage of girls.
@Spamalot
Hnng

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spamalot
MY NAME IS LILEH IM SMOHL BUT MITEH

farquit
farquit

@Spamalot
NEED to move down to glasgow asap

viagrandad
viagrandad

@MPmaster
Infernos so dece

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@farquit
Not London for the exotic girls

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@girlDog
Stay away from Tanzanian women liddo. I was just there not too long ago and the country is riddled with HIV.

Like up to 70% infection rates in some villages

tfw long term gf so no tinder

5mileys
5mileys

@Spamalot
Should've gone with.. 'Wanna go halves on a bastard?'

Need to go /outshagging/ soon. Balls ACHING

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SomethingNew
Want to smash this particular one SO badly. Body so amazing. Cute face too.
@5mileys
Nice

takes2long
takes2long

@haveahappyday
racemixing

Liebermann wants a word

askme
askme

@haveahappyday
they're not exotic if you see them everyday lid

Bidwell
Bidwell

@takes2long
Who said I was white ;)

Literally frothing at the mouth to get back to uni. So many cute European girls need to get SMASHED. Particular Italian on my course with THE fattest ass.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Half cokes on me when you do

not sure if this was a rejection or a proposal

Inmate
Inmate

Rude

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

faerie/sprite
@iluvmen
kek'd

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Inmate
calls other people ugly
tits like a child's pencil case

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Inbetweeners SO good
SO ill conversation died

Playboyize
Playboyize

Tfw don't drink
Tfw clubbing is horrific

Techpill
Techpill

@Playboyize
The state of this

TreeEater
TreeEater

@lostmypassword
Really not a big fan of some of these pal

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Techpill
Pick up on HARD mode. Have to use charm.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Playboyize
Just lost so much respect for you

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Raving_Cute
Trading standards

giggling

Emberburn
Emberburn

Old /bet/ was completely anti-clubbing and anti-student, how times have changed..

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TreeEater
said earlier that my matches were substandard this week lid
@Snarelure
finally someone gets it
@Playboyize
haram for you lid?

Evilember
Evilember

@Sharpcharm
Not religious reasons m8.
@Emberburn
I'm anti clubbing.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evilember
I clocked that

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberfire
Feel so SO ill seeing your matches this week m8. Please pay attention next time. Nah just don't like the feeling of being drunk.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Emberburn
Every shrewdie was a student

WebTool
WebTool

@SniperWish
Not true.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

What is the correct way to swipe here lads? God will be watching.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
no reason to get drunk lid, don't go to clubs myself, do like to go for a couple drinks with my friends though.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BlogWobbles
/2 +7.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@BlogWobbles
Mind in pieces.
@VisualMaster
Works for me.
@RumChicken
Yeah, prefer actually taking girls on dates rather than meeting them at clubs etc.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Skullbone
posting worldies like this and I don't even have a funny match to post

KILL ME

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Found the moon emoji pmsl

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

what the fuck is going on in this thread?

did one of you really get THAT assblasted?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

And last one. Managed to get 1 (ONE) match today. And super liked someone by mistake.
Doing tinder so so wrong.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PurpleCharger
Looks like she'd rape you and then say see you again next week same time.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@ZeroReborn
Soz lid, no idea how I've got so many matches recently tbqhwy. About 50 in the last week. Think my tinder is broken pmsl

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Fuzzy_Logic
Just want to find someone to talk to desu
Is that all it takes lads? I can be that someone new

whereismyname
whereismyname

biz ban again lids, nice tinder posting, hoping my luck improves next week

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

5k on the roulette table, nothing fancy, just picking red or black -- straight 50 percent chance.

No, back and forth winning and losing, just one gamble, going in there at peace if you just lose it all at once.

Is this scenario so bad if you want to one day just risk a small stash at a casino?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Before I get banned, I want to remind the Veeky Forums fans that /sp/'s /bet/ will always be superior to /biz/'s "I lost a poker, here is my blog/

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

All the Tinder posters in this thread, you've been reported. Enjoy your bans! At Veeky Forums we don't tolerate this degenerate behaviour!

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

where is your edge?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Fried_Sushi
i bet on sports hurr durr

Always a -EV game.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Crazy_Nice
TEARS

Spamalot
Spamalot

@MPmaster
getting swindled by literal jews

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What can i play poker on and bet real money?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Carnalpleasure
REEEEE

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 42)
Hero (SB): 101.5 BB
BB: 70.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 191.5 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 13)
MP: 44 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 110 BB (VPIP: 22.09, PFR: 15.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 86)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qs As
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 70.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.5 BB

Flop : (141 BB, 2 players) 7d Kc 9d

Turn : (141 BB, 2 players) Js

River : (141 BB, 2 players) 5c

Hero shows Qs As (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 66%, Flop 24%, Turn 23%)

BB shows 6c 9s (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 34%, Flop 76%, Turn 77%)

BB wins 134 BB

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@SniperWish
Everything is okay.

SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.91, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 122 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 94.12, 3Bet Preflop: 80.00, Hands: 18)
MP: 202 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 18)
CO: 51.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BTN: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 94)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7s 7d
UTG raises to 122 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 99 BB and is all-in

Flop : (200.5 BB, 2 players) 2d Kh Qs

Turn : (200.5 BB, 2 players) 5c

River : (200.5 BB, 2 players) 2c

Hero shows 7s 7d (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
(Pre 70%, Flop 85%, Turn 89%)

UTG shows 9s 5h (Two Pair, Fives and Twos)
(Pre 30%, Flop 15%, Turn 11%)

Hero wins 190.5 BB

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Carnalpleasure
outside of US: Poker stars
inside US: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/where-can-us-players-play-first-post-updated-jul-16-a-1238038/

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperWish
@TurtleCat
You sure you're not playing zynga facebook poker?

takes2long
takes2long

@Garbage Can Lid
poker tracker cant track zynga

Bidwell
Bidwell

@takes2long
You sure you're not playing super micro stakes then?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Bidwell
ive seen play like this up to 500nl

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Illusionz
http://www.ultimaratioregum.co.uk/game/2014/09/07/a-story-about-losing/
good read if you wanna be a poker pro.

Ultimately you've gotta make your own choices.

Regarding % of bankroll, you might not be able to keep it possibly because you need a certain minimum buy-in to meet your income requirements.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Firespawn
Telling lies again fish? I would really like to see a poker profile with stats on you because you play like a total donkey.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty
Young guns with lots of drug money. They don't care if they lose. They play a very different form of poker using equity concepts I'm sure you've never heard of. Too bad for them that they fried their brains dipping in their product.

TechHater
TechHater

@SniperWish
@TurtleCat
What the hell is this??? What site do you play on where people don't even raise the blinds and just shove preflop? I never saw this that much even when I used to play microstakes. This isn't poker it's bingo. Go make a bingo thread or something.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TechHater
getting it in good is bingo

Nah, it's just dumbasses during fishy hour.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@AwesomeTucker
What are you even doing in this thread? Seriously.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
shitposting
trying to get some people maybe interest in a game of money

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Crazy_Nice
I'm just saying I think his range is a lot tighter than you think based on his actions. If you had a great read on him being a loose aggressive player then you're actions are fine. I know I haven't played in a while that's why I shared that with you to let you know you don't have to get upset I think you played poorly.

That river call is just not great and the fact that you say you have to call 100% if you've seen him bluff with air before is bad.

you're not martin shkreli
bro this one millionaire sucks dicks so sucking dicks isn't gay

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CouchChiller
what is literal math and expectations
"hurr im redardeedddd"

BB: 119 BB (VPIP: 15.61, PFR: 13.10, 3Bet Preflop: 11.40, Hands: 523)
Hero (UTG): 186.5 BB
MP: 93 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 104 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 34)
BTN: 106 BB (VPIP: 18.86, PFR: 12.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.65, Hands: 620)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 17.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.09, Hands: 640)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Ks
Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, BB raises to 16 BB, Hero raises to 41 BB, fold, BB calls 25 BB

Flop : (86.5 BB, 2 players) 7s 4c 6d
BB bets 41 BB, Hero raises to 145.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 37 BB and is all-in

Turn : (242.5 BB, 2 players) 5h

River : (242.5 BB, 2 players) 8s

BB shows Kh Ah (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 14%, Turn 16%)

Hero shows Kc Ks (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 66%, Flop 86%, Turn 84%)

BB wins 115 BB
Hero wins 115.5 BB

Evilember
Evilember

yer so bad
A FISH
"he bluff catches with a high"

Tiltlords, everyone.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Is betting on boxing or MMA more or less profitable than betting on more mainstream sports such as soccer or basketball?

WebTool
WebTool

@RavySnake
if you can guess how the fight is fixed, then it's plus ev

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Evilember
When people asked you if you are playing microstakes why didn't you say yes? The terrible hands make more sense at that really low level. It explains why you play incredibly loose.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@PurpleCharger
20/18 is incredibly loose

playing microstakes

Biggest I play online on non legal sites is 25nl. black friday wasn't fun for me when i had rolls on ps and ft. plus, the biggest withdrawal i can make on most sites is 500 so when shit hits the fan, im not getting screwed cause of that.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Nude_Bikergirl
Sorry dude but calling an AI preflop with 77 is pretty damn loose. It just makes more sense now.

Techpill
Techpill

@Poker_Star
snap calling a donk shoving literally any two cards with a pocket pair is bad is loose over tens of thousands of hands

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Techpill
Like I said it makes sense at that really low level of play. At a higher stakes that call is really really bad. Best case scenario you have a coin flip. Worst case scenario you are dominated by an overpair. When you post hands you really should state that you are playing at .5/.10 microstakes. It puts the questionable plays into perspective.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SniperGod
I've played with people like this at 500nl as well. You'd be surprised at how many idiots come in with their big wads of cash thinking they can just bully the table around with their "intentional equity".

I'm not sure if you understand what literally shoving literally any two cards means. He folded one time in position because a tight player raised. It's called playing the player, not the cards. You play against there range.

And why the fuck do you always have a different ID?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RavySnake
Wouldn't say boxing or mma aren't mainstream. However you are more likely to get prices for obscure "soccer" games than random fights of boxers you've researched but that isn't a main card.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@DeathDog
I've played with people like this at 500nl as well.
I play a ton of online poker on multiple different sites and people dont shove all in 100bb into a pot with a couple blinds in it unless you are playing really low stakes. Even if it does happen at 500nl in super rare occurances it is an even more questionable call because even if it is an ultra aggressive player you are risking 500 on a mid pp. If you don't understand that its a loose call then I can't really help you. You will figure it out eventually on your own.

And why the fuck do you always have a different ID?
My phone changes IPs because I am on the train and traveling through different service areas.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fried_Sushi
ive played a ton online
this is the same thing as live play
i know everyone in the world and it's literally impossible for someone to play like that
i dont understand what EV is or how to do math

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Raving_Cute
This happens even less frequently in live games than online. Rarely ever will you see anyone play that bad in a casino. Maybe you are playing house games? I don't even consider most house games really poker.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Garbage Can Lid
Yes. Mostly invite only games. Mostly rake free, as well.

i dont consider house games poker

It's where you can find extreme win rates occurring more than normal.

he doesn't fat tail

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname
Gambling on election outcomes and votes is illegal. For the most part, you can gamble on websites, but that is more of a state law.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@RumChicken
If somebody made an Ethereum smart contract or something that bets on the outcome of the 2016 election, that would revolutionize betting and make millionaires overnight (assuming they don't pull a DAO)

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@VisualMaster
I thought your country was all about freedom..

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Stupidasole
exactly
its a more free society when money isn't influencing the elections

Illusionz
Illusionz

dumb card playing pussies...come play draft fantasy sports

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Illusionz
omg brah
did you see that tackle
that was SO BRAHHH

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@whereismyname
If you can find any political election in the history of mankind that isn't influenced by money then I would like to hear about it.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Supergrass

actually used to hate sports but fantasy golf and nascar has made me bank..highest payout 1250 dollars for understand track position

Bidwell
Bidwell

@whereismyname
Lol that yanky rationalization.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Bidwell
when the tilt hits ya hard

UTG: 331.5 BB (VPIP: 61.29, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: 77.5 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 123.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8h 5d 9c 7h
fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (7.5 BB, 2 players) As 7d 6c
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 22.5 BB, BTN calls 15 BB

Turn : (52.5 BB, 2 players) Jh
Hero bets 25 BB, BTN calls 25 BB

River : (102.5 BB, 2 players) Ad
Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows 8h 5d 9c 7h (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 53%, Flop 78%, Turn 48%)

BTN shows 2s Kc 3s Js (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 47%, Flop 22%, Turn 53%)

BTN wins 97.5 BB

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evilember

What does it even prove? That's 1Kh, litterally anything can happen in that short of a sample.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Are poker bots worth looking into?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@happy_sad

Probably yes, but you need extensive knowledge in both poker and programing.

You don't want to be playing to high or you'll be spotted and/or exploited and you need to carefuly chose the website you're playing on.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@happy_sad
No, you'll get banned eventualy and it's a scummy thing to do.

Inmate
Inmate

Bamp.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Playboyize
At least you played it right. Lady luck gonna take hers.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@whereismyname
Learn pot odds, learn what types of boards are good to bluff on, learn ranges, and learn the 4 main styles of play (LAG,TAG,Loose-Passive,Tight-Passive) and you'll be good to go.

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