Google spent billions of dollars investing in China

whereismyname
whereismyname

Google spent billions of dollars investing in China
pulled out after getting BTFO by Baidu
Uber spent billions of dollars investing in China, bragging that they would conquer the country
got BTFO by Didi Chuxing in less than a year
Amazon spent billions of dollars investing in China
got BTFO by Alibaba
Apple spent billions of dollars investing in China
currently getting BTFO by Huawei and Xiaomi

meanwhile, revenue of Chinese companies in Western markets grows by leaps and bounds every year
most blockbuster Hollywood movies are co-produced by Chinese studios

Is the West, dare I say it, finished?

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/china-now-the-largest-installer-of-clean-energy/article28237771/?service=mobile
https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2015/11/17/chinese-ghost-cities-come-to-life/
Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@whereismyname

No, a lot of chinese production is based on the success of western companies

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Evil_kitten
lol

Emberfire
Emberfire

@whereismyname
China is just very unscrupulous and willing to do whatever it takes to win. If you look at their country its basically a nightmare goggles world, almost nothing is pure, everything is polluted and corrupted.

However to be fair, China did blow us the fuck out and I will admit that. What we do better is make movies and they have been rescuing our film industry by actually paying for our shit. So we sorta BTFO them there.

Trump tried to warn us.

Essentially, China's culture glorifies money and success and in the West, these things are passe' even evil. We'll see how they survive either dying en masse from disease or the inevitable environmental movement that kills their economy.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberfire
Essentially, China's culture glorifies money and success and in the West, these things are passe' even evil.
ebin

or the inevitable environmental movement that kills their economy
You are now aware the that Chinese government has already earmarked $2.5tn over the next decade for clean energy investments.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

You guys are blind. During the Japanese boom, like 17 companies of the top 20 companies in the world was Japanese origin. Shit crashed so fast with one strike in their core system. Fundamentally speaking, America has far more safety net in the economy compared to any other countries in the world. Dollar currency, University system, Super consumption tendency, Immigration infow, massive information accumulation rate, etc. China doesn't have the hard and soft infrastructure to overcome the burden on their social structure.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberfire
China's culture glorifies money and success and in the West, these things are passe' even evil
Umm... Wealth is glorified beyond belief in USA.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Emberfire

in 2 words: True capitalism
while US shifting to socialism (EU already there)

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

It's understandable that Western companies fail to succeed in China. The business culture is hostile and so is the government.

Western Negotiation: "Your position is A, my position is C, so lets meet at B."
Chinese Negotiation: "My position is C. You do C or go home."

Western Government: "You want to start a business here? We'll tax you at X."
Chinese Government: "You want to start a business here? We demand a X% stake and X% of your supply chain must be in China and [blah blah blah]

t. guy who knows someone who works in China

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

brb learning mandarin

No seriously, Europe is already fucked and the US is running towards the cliff getting ever closer to irreversible free fall. At some point in the future I might have to emigrate from Western Europe to China, and that is pretty fuckin sad.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

China steals from us with their government subsidized copy cat companies
America btfo

Chinese are dirty fraud fucks. Rampant cheating and backwards dealing goes on in that country and they've rotted to the core. They have empty cities lol

They're never really going to catch up because that would entail giving up the two things that keep them in the race. Extreme corruption and dirt cheap labor

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Harmless_Venom
It's called negotiating from a position of strength. Every superpower in history has done it because it's perfectly rational. Only stupid cucks leave money on the table.

@Boy_vs_Girl
being so astronomically assdevastated that you're reduced to spouting stale talking points from 2003
wew

idontknow
idontknow

@Boy_vs_Girl
Cope.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Bidwell
Cope.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Emberfire
China might not be capitalist by governmental design, but their culture very much is. Only through hard work and sharp wit can you compete with the billion other people wanting to get of squalor with you.

The US' cultural attitude would change, too, if instead of having the a poor underclass that can swing the vote constantly voting for the party that ensures benefits, welfare was completely abolished and people were left to die in the streets.

Oh, you'd see a very sharp increase in small fortunes amassed through corruption and brutality from both the poorest and richest, and it would only ooze its way into the already weak middle class and everything would become terrible.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Burnblaze
Oh, you'd see a very sharp increase in small fortunes amassed through corruption and brutality from both the poorest and richest, and it would only ooze its way into the already weak middle class and everything would become terrible.

Doesn't China have a growing middle class?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@whereismyname
Chinafag here
Beijing master race

The Chinese actually do not like taking risks, and prefer to do things that have been tried and true (i.e. rip off intellectual property). Many lower-class Chinese are quite healthy, relying on traditional medicine and a good diet to live well past the age of 90. All that wealth accumulation eventually goes to their grandchildren. Since the one-child law was in effect in the late 20th century, many Chinese yuppies are the sole inheritors of the wealth of four grandparents.

Also, the Chinese love American culture.

"America" in Chinese is "Mei Guo", literally "Beautiful Kingdom", and many Chinese try really hard to understand and duplicate American culture

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Boy_vs_Girl
Chinafag here

I've lived in an "empty city" before. These boom towns were built by provincial governments, possibly with subsidies by the central government. They're quite dangerous, because a lot of new vehicle owners (farmers who decided to try and make it in a city) don't know the traffic laws and there are no traffic lights. I've seen a five way intersection with no traffic lights

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BlogWobbles
You are now aware the that Chinese government has already earmarked $2.5tn over the next decade for clean energy investments.

china
clean energy

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberfire
Chinafag here

People only see what the media portrays, and American newscasters rarely go to the sprawling countryside of China, where there are Bamboo forests as far as the eye can see, and river valleys studded with dinosaur fossils in the sedimentary banks.

It's just that some parts are so crowded that pollution is inevitable. I lived in Portland, OR, where pollution is just starting to become a problem with all the homeless people moving there. I've also lived in Shanghai, which by population is 24 times the size of Portland. Obviously it was much dirtier, but you don't see any homeless people because there is a tight family structure in China. If you're not doing well, you go live with a cousin, not on the streets.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@GoogleCat
true dis

wolf of wallstreet
all those other movies about bankers

literally every kid wants to be an "entrepreneur" and make the big bux so he can buy a lambo and a penthouse

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stark_Naked
come join us in 2016 sometime
China was the largest developer of renewable energy projects in 2015, accounting for almost 40 per cent of all the wind, solar, biopower and small hydro installations around the world.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/china-now-the-largest-installer-of-clean-energy/article28237771/?service=mobile

DeathDog
DeathDog

So chinks take your money then copy your idea?

That's all I can see. How many times have you seen innovation from China? I mean real innovation, not just blowing existing things up or doing the same thing but more?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@ZeroReborn
This

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@DeathDog
Best, fastest magnetic railroads. Make America's outdated subway systems look foolish

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
The Art of War.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

it's not a sustainable business model for them if we nut up and do something about it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

All of the people talking about China taking over the world have either never been to China or are nationalistic Chinese.

Go over there sometime. The idea of their companies being anything more than propped up by corruption and collusion in a very large market is laughable. Their country has swaths that are more or less uninhabitable, and their inability to get anything done due to corruption is a fucking joke. If you think that China is taking over anything unless the West is stupid enough to keep playing ball ad infinitum then you have a surprise coming.

Now when Chinese money moves out of China in liquid form, it may become competitive outside of that environment.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Gonna need some statistics, graphs, citations you fucking faggot

viagrandad
viagrandad

@whereismyname
hopefully the chink overlords will exterminate niggers and all the coal burners.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stark_Naked

Yes, mostly they're disorganized as fuck in many professional environments and usually need Western leadership, are generally oblivious to their surroundings, and are robots. There is also a lot of nepotism, but that's more of a cultural thing. But they've been educating their kids abroad (i.e. in our countries), and are already making the shift to a more service-based economy. They are also smart enough to successfully invest in our countries.

Also, what's with this bullshit about corruption? Do you think it's any different in Western nations? At the highest level, almost everybody is colluding, and/or corrupt to some degree. You would be, too, in their position.

On another note, they pay well, and your purchasing power is higher over there. Not to mention they usually provide you with accommodation. China is where we all should be.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Stark_Naked
hahahaah I am retarded hahaha lmao

likme
likme

@Harmless_Venom
Western Government: "You want to start a business here? We'll tax you at X."

If you are actually saying that Western governments don't jew everyone on pointless regulations and sourcing requirements, you are either a shill or an idiot.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BinaryMan

Also, what's with this bullshit about corruption? Do you think it's any different in Western nations?

Confirmed for deeply naive or Chinese if you think that, say, American corruption on a day to basis even comes close to the level of corruption in China.

@Bidwell

thinking China is clean

Their smog reaches LA sometimes.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Emberfire
The biggest in the world

@StrangeWizard
That's because they aren't finished.

https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2015/11/17/chinese-ghost-cities-come-to-life/

Methshot
Methshot

@Stark_Naked
The idea of their companies being anything more than propped up by corruption and collusion in a very large market is laughable.

Ahh yes surely $3.5 trillion in exports is just "corruption and collusion".

What are all those foreign buyers doing? Don't they realize that China is just "corruption and collusion"? Why do they buy from obviously horrible and evil people?

It's impossible that Chinese actually make things worth buying. Absurd!

TreeEater
TreeEater

@hairygrape
reading comprehension

Nowhere did I state that or imply that.

Your shitpost@Stark_Naked
is proven wrong@Booteefool

Now go scurry off /b/tard.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Bidwell
@likme
@Gigastrength
@Methshot

detected

Snarelure
Snarelure

@eGremlin
China is Middle Kingdom but you probably took that to heart already

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evil_kitten
KEK
look at this guy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Lord_Tryzalot
learning mandarin

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Fuzzy_Logic
I base my opinions upon greentext stories on Veeky Forums

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Fuzzy_Logic
Brb going full Donald.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@RavySnake
I cope with no basis whatsoever

This guy.

Methshot
Methshot

@RavySnake
Man nah, Chinese are scum. Go on aliexpress and try not to get fucked. They outright lie about half the time and are intentionally misleading at all times.

order some herb powder
wrong colour, wrong taste, clearly something completely fucking different AND 2/3s of the weight amount advertised.

order 16gb class 10 sd card (yes I knew they would fuck me and did a charge back)
adulterated 2gb card with horrendous speeds

These are two examples of which there are many. Sometimes you can actually get a good deal from China though. It seems to kind of work out that in the end you pay about the same as in the West after averaging bargains and scams.

You need to make sure you have some leverage on them and be happy to use it though. PayPal or some charge back facility. I don't what you use for $50,000 steel deals but you need something because otherwise you can forget it, you will get screwed.

Any way, not to be racist or anything but I would say it's best when dealing with Chinese to act with the assumption that they are not human and are out to fuck you whenever you're not looking or can't do anything about it. Don't believe their shit when you confront them, they know they are screwing you and will just prey on your western humanity if you give them the benefit of the doubt.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Harmless_Venom
Western Negotiation: "Your position is A, my position is C, so lets meet at B."
Chinese Negotiation: "My position is C. You do C or go home

every time. and everything they do is for their advantage and you own them that favor.

now I am dealing with vietnam and india instead.

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