Be me

sorry, from where I'm sitting it looks like
you're just repeating what I said back to me while pretending I didn't say it.

not a real promising sign, son.

18yo "entrepreneur" here

You literally don't need a degree to be one. sure, it'll help if anything happens, to make money, but If you have a good enough idea, with some money, You'll flourish. but GO TO SHCOOL. even if its a community college, like what i'm doing.

If that's the message I sent then I'm sorry, didn't mean it. All I'm saying is that I kinda see BA as not a good degree, as I'd rather learn something practical like CS (where you get to learn how to code) abd research Business Adm stuff in my free time and learn that on my own as it seems to me a more simple subject than learning a practical skill.
I want your guys opinion on what would be the best way to increase my chances, if you could choose any degree.

That's real nice, what kind of business did you create for yourself?

OP, from what it looks like, you are daydreaming, romanticising the idea of being an entrepenuer,

i say this because you don't seem to have a 100% defined idea/plan. i also say this because i felt the exact same way in HS until right about now (19 right now)

basically what i learned from this thread is "if it doesn't make money now, if it doesn't make money if you try it instead of dreaming it, then it isn't going to make money ever."

1. You don't need a degree to be an entrepreneur. I know kids that went to school for "entrepreneurship" or some other dumb course (the course is literally called that). It teaches you nothing.
2. Finance won't teach you much. Finance is about cash flows and deciding which is the best investment.
3. If you want to make your own products and want them to be tech based I would go with CS or Engineering simply because it will teach you how to be logical and lots of other stuff like communication skills and good interpersonal shit. I know it sounds stupid because engineers are typically autistic losers, but, when I was in my first year they had a massive emphasis on teaching how to work with a team and other stuff like that. It's like a toastmasters for teamwork.
4. What the fuck kind of business do you want to own/create? Just saying you want to own assets and sell products isn't helping. No point in getting a CS degree or Aerospace engineering degree if you want to be a clothing manufacturing. If anything, you will probably just need to budget correctly once you saved up a few tens of thousands and get a loan from the bank

How am I romanticising the idea of being an entrepreneur? As I said in the original post, I've always had the plan of becoming a finance major and becoming a finance analyst or something related. All I asked was a recomendation, fully knowing that you don't need any degree to be an entrepeneur, to increase my skills in a meaningful way in order to have more chances at being a sucessful entrepreneur. I want your opinion guys.

Strategy is the most important, but thats MBA level, and theres a reason for that.

You don't need a degree to start a company though, there are a shitton of examples of people starting from scratch and no serious education. Also, you can just read the textbooks yourself to learn the material, you don't need to pay 15k/year. You can save the 60k and put it towards your business instead

You won't though

Step 1. Have a product or service that people will want to give you money in exchange for
Step 2. Exchange the money

What's so fucking hard about that?

>current car culture faces threats from BOTH electric vehicles AND autonomous carsharing
>buying gas stations

KEK.

If you were set on a degree, you'd probably want something that develops skills to help you put a project to market. So, STEM meme, presumably.

First of all, thank you for the answer.
Secondly, sorry I didn't make it too cleae, I am looking to create internet services related with banking, crowdfunding, and money in general without going too much in detail about my ideas. I've always loved investing and business related things, thats why my initial plan was to be a finance graduate. But then something made me change my mind, and that was the fact that learning finance wont help me at all at improving my value, should I create a business of any kind. That's why I came here, to ask for your guys' opinion as I feel Veeky Forums guys think alike.

Well right now, I run a online clothing store..its pretty idle atm, I need to redo a few designs and I literally dont have a sale, I also have to get business cards and samples up too. But I do have other Ideas I have planned for the very near future.

If you're going to create any service that involves "banking" or generally managing other peoples' money *besides* money they're paying to you, I strongly recommend you consult some lawyers before you do something extraordinarily reckless.

That's great, the fucking problem is getting money to start your shit at 18.
Kek yeah, I've thought about that, I could get into serious trouble if i'm not careful. Also, yeah I guess my only viable choice is the STEM meme.

i believe you're romanticising because you're saying everything i said when i was 18.

but, i do hope your business suceeds, that's why i'm questioning you.

You're right, Don't have a part time job for the summer?

Well, Veeky Forums guys think alike. If what I'm saying is romaticising, then what should I be saying? Also what have you done since you were 18 (without getting too personal)? I'm interested since if you made any mistakes (they happen for everyone), maybe you could share them with us so we don't repeat them? Keep in mind I do not intend to sound pretentuous or anything, I am genuinely curious.

Unemployment is very high where I live (southern europe) and the minimum wage is low as fuck. Also, it's kinda late now to get a summer job, summer is ending. I should have gotten on the bandwagon sooner but hey, at least i wont make the same mistake next year.

Entrepreneurship?

No but honestly stay away from CS, within ten years any low educated person will understsnd computer science, and you're going to have idiots that have no idea what to do flooding to CS because >muh cumpooters

>If what I'm saying is romaticising, then what should I be saying?
it's not what you're saying, it's what you're doing. test out your product/service before you invest dicks of money into the final product. basically the only flaw in your plan is you haven't tested it out numerous of times before taking the big serious leap of making it into a real business.

>Also what have you done since you were 18
i've been trying to learn how people think and what they think. in over a year i got it down pretty good, i do this because i want to understand the easiest and laziest way to make someone addicted to me/my product/my affiliates.

>I'm interested if you made any mistakes
i think the biggest mistake i made was that i always thought i had to be like the people who were in charge of me. my bosses are cucks, i always thought i had to give up a certain standard of self respect to get to their position but it isn't like that at all.

Yeah, a Hardware and Software Engineer is sounding more and more like the best degree for me. It could open me the gates for the Tech company world, which is something I like a lot.

Thanks for the answer.
First of all, my projects are all in the "idea" phase. I havent invested a single penny into any of my ideas yet. I have pitched to my teachers and family of my ideas though and though some don't work, I have gotten a couple of exceptional ideas, that could work. Obviously, this doesnt mean shit as if I do nothing, everything is in vain.
>been trying to understand how people think so I could sell my products more easily
That's quite smart, but did you stop your studies/ jobs to spend an entire year learning that or are you doing something meanwhile?

>First of all, my projects are all in the "idea" phase. I havent invested a single penny into any of my ideas yet
oooh, not even a little bit of money? is there anyway (u dont gotta get specific with the answer) that u could test ur ideas out into real life?

>That's quite smart, but did you stop your studies/ jobs to spend an entire year learning that or are you doing something meanwhile?
i study people where i work, i first worked as a server, to understand the customer, then i worked at mcdonalds as a cook, to understand the workers and the management, and now i work as a dishwasher only part time, trying to understand what the boss is thinking, which is actually really fucking hard to do because he is old as fuck and will not let himself let up for anything.

>is there anyway you can test your ideas in real life?
Yes, there is, I could easily do a survey for example to see if there is demand for it. I could also check for trends to see if anything matches. Since my ideas are mostly "service" based, the only way to test them out since they don't exist would be to start them and see what would happen. If demand matched the service and people showed that they want it, then it would be proven. As I said, it's all in my head (and my notebook) and I havent actually done anything.

Also, I dobt think that thing of studying people is going to help you much as people vary a lot and the way your boss behaves is one of a billion possible ways a person can behave, as you cannot stereotipise your boss for all bosses.

oh i see, so is there businesses or is it customers that would need your service?

>Also, I dobt think that thing of studying people is going to help you much as people vary a lot and the way your boss behaves is one of a billion possible ways a person can behave, as you cannot stereotipise your boss for all bosses.

from what i've learned, there are three types of people. from multiple tests i've realized this theory is true. it's not hard to read people, especially when everything in life has its order.

MBA's and General Business degree's are good for working at someone else's business and making decisions for them.

It's a service anyone could use, be it companies or individuals. What are you trying to get from this?
Also
>only 3 types of people
Are you talking about the Passive/Assertive/Competitive thing?

And what is the best for someone working for himself?

> What are you trying to get from this?
i'm trying to help you in any way that i can cause i remember wanting to be an entrepenuer too

>Are you talking about the Passive/Assertive/Competitive thing?

HOLY SHIT. YES. how did you find out about that? i didn't even know that was a thing

The 3 personality theory is nothing new. It's basic psycology. Kek I think I learned about these terms in english class 3 years ago or something, we read a text about psycology and it talked in depth about that theory.

thank you for telling me this, i really appreciate it because i was only 99% sure i was right about what i researched in real life.

A trade, engineering or experience.

Kek you're welcome, i guess.
Its not like you discovered something new. Kek why didnt you google your theory before calling it your own? Anyways, we're going off topic. It's 6 am where i fucking live, have to go to sleep soon, the name is DonLow, if you catch me on the Veeky Forums discord say hi. Probably gonna stop answering for now, if the thread is still alive or some shit tomorrow, ill come back to this and we'll continue. If not ill create a follow up thread.

you're right, i should have searched it up lol

Software Engineering.
Hands down best option.

You can learn the languages and all the other shit in your own time, but, if your business doesn't work out, you will still have a good portfolio of stuff you've made that you can show Software companies as well as the qualification necessary to work for software companies.

Also, with you wanting to work in the finance world. Maybe minor in finance or double degree SoftE+Finance.

E.g. If you were making a superannuation model as one of your products. You would need to speak to someone working as a financial advisor that specialises in the super as they would know all the ifs, buts and loopholes etc when it comes to super because you sure as hell are going to get stuff wrong and the internet isn't always right on this, alot of it is outdated believe it or not and different websites even have different tax brackets.

I've written a code for a finance place before and I had to constantly ask them about the specifics of process I was automating because I didn't understand it. btw, I'm CompE that just knows a few languages.

tldr; softE, but, setting up softE with a niche will be tricky as you will have to understand the intricate little details of what you are actually programming unless you have people from finance willing the help you out.

You're dumb as fuck and couldn't run a lemonade stand if your mommy helped you.

Would Entrepreneurs ever have the time to travel or is it just work 24/7?

google the last iceman.
Depends.
If you mean the guy that sits around thinking of ideas to pitch to VC's, no. Most of them are broke and will stay broke.

If you mean the guy that owns a small business cleaning carpets or doing landscaping, they're probably retired comfortably with a couple million in assets and a six figure salary. They travel.

To be honest if I decide I want to become one, id never want to stop working. Retirement sounds a little boring if you ask me.

>Retirement sounds a little boring if you ask me.
It can be.

if you've got money in your pocket you can find things to do though. Travel for instance.

either way it beats cleaning carpets or mowing lawns or hanging drywall or whatever you did to get retired.

Ill retire once I get my own wiki page.

>people falling for the "entrepreneur" meme

Isn't the "reality" of the matter that the vast majority of successful new businesses are started by people who've already had a great deal of experience in their industry?

Yes. You usually work in your chosen industry for several years so you understand it, then go to management so you get the business side and the connections.

Then maybe you'll start your own company or buy your boss out or some such thing. Even then I think most business owners fail pretty quickly.

It's risky and most people don't have the stomach for it. You wake up each day and bet everything you own that you're not an idiot. It's not a great bet.

What would be the best major for someone wanting to start a business?

you could, you know, major in business.

It's no substitute for work experience, but it can't hurt.

All right guys, I'm back.
Let's just finish this shit. Best degrees for entrepeneurs and people wanting to build their own business. What is the veredict?

If you're smart, than a combination of the following.

Stem degree & Economics, Marketing, or Business Administration.

I did Math & CS major and stayed another year to do a Economcs major. I think marketing or businesses are better but I wouldn't have been able to finish in an extra year.

Now I own 1/3 of a business that cleared 450K profit last year and on track to earn 600K+ this year. I'm 29, and started the business 6 years ago.

> implying that the take away from that was meant to be "go and buy a gas station"
> Not knowing what an example is

Autism confirmed

We do IT consulting btw.

Do you thing an Hardware and Software minor degree + a Finance Major would be a good idea?

No, just because Finance implies you want to work for a fund of some sort or start your own.

Unless you want to do that, don't get a degree in Finance. Also, don't go for finance if you don't go to a top school for the major. For example, it you aren't going to at least Indiana University or Michigan or better, do not major in Finance (unless you really like it but then you shouldn't have a problem transferring to those school after Freshman year).

Always to some technical stuff before getting any degree in business.

Hate to break it to you user, but as a restaurantfag, going from server to cook to dishwasher is like going backwards. The successful entrepreneur would get promoted. Others would recognize his talent, drive, and leadership and give him more responsibility. Eventually after years of hard work he might have enough experience and connections to go out on his own and "start a buisness". The skills required to be a successful wagecuck aren't that different from entrepreneur skills.

>he thinks those will significantly affect "car culture"

Stick to shitposting on Veeky Forums pal

Hey user, I was thinking of doing stats and computers. Is that a good combo? Also, is CS better than an IT degree?

>The successful entrepreneur would get promoted
nah man, the succesful entrepenuer wouldnt have anyone above him to promote him

> Others would recognize his talent, drive, and leadership and give him more responsibility.
i noticed if you try and prove you're a hard worker, people will use you instead of letting you get ahead of them, it's harsh, i don't want to be someone's dog

you're right, though, i took steps back, i'm earning less. it doesn't make sense how less money would be more benificial to me but the less money i get from others the more i start to value it and nowadays i'm getting a good idea what the value of money is.

>the succesful entrepenuer wouldnt have anyone above him to promote him
pic related.
hanging in my home office.

that sounds like bullshit, what exactly is it trying to say? that making your own business isn't an actual job?

>Thinking you need a correct degree to be an entrepreneur

Go read a book or something.

What kind of product do you want to sell? How do you want to sell it? Is it something only you can do? How big is your market? Can you capture the market? How big can you grow before competition and inefficiency kicks in? What is your exit plan, sell or keep?

If you don't have any answer now, you probably won't no matter which course you take.

nah man, the succesful entrepenuer wouldnt have anyone above him to promote him.

Get rekt by bank and/or VC because muh sucessful entrepreneur need no funding. Stay family prop shop.

>Engineering
What about a boiler engineer?

Bump because great thread.

So If I want to be a entreprenuer i really shouldnt take finance / accounting?

>Thinking you need a correct degree to be an entrepreneur
Nope, just looking out there to see what degree would benefit a guy looking to be an entrepreneur.

>What kind of product do you want to sell?

Not looking to sell products, but to sell services. Internet based would be the the best in my opinion.

>How do you want to sell it?

Through the internet, more especifically through a website I'd have to create. The big problem is I don't know how to code, only how to make shitty wordpress sites, with shitty URLs.

>How big is your market?

I would market towards future business creators and other entrepreneurs, and people who want to make shit happen ("do"ers, not talkers).

>Can you capture the market?

If I manage to somehow create my website, get rid of possible law related stuff that gets in the way (because it would have to do with people's money), I believe I could very well catch the atenttion of a lot of people.

>How big can you grow before competition and inefficiency kicks in?
>What is your exit plan, sell or keep?

I think if I could pull this off, the business could grow exponentially and since it's money related, I believe I could easily liquidate it when I was done with it, since from the research I've done, no one has done this, and the demand for it would be relatively high. Obviously, this is all speculation.

Nope, I guess it's all a bad meme. School teaches us that if you have good grades and are an intelligent guy, you should work for the big companies a live a "safe" life aka a life of mediocrity, stuck to a job which you don't own nor have a word on what to do next. They format us to be wagecucks and jobcucks, and that's why only few have the balls to start shit and become entrepreneurs. They teach us to think their way, not to think outside of the box. Once you realize that all the fags in your class are losers, that most people don't live, but survive, that the only way to be free is to be the driver of your own life, you notice that the few who freed themselves from everything were entrepreneurs.

>all these posts

You should study philosophy, history, and literature. Entrepreneurship is already a renegade/cavalier type of path in life, you need to think outside of the box.

I don't really care whether you get a degree in one of these things, just take the damn classes.

Kek troll spotted.
If I'm going to have debt, i'd rather spend that debt in useful stuff, not literature or any of those things ffs. We need people trained in STEM and business, not in liberal arts.
Go back to Veeky Forums fag

>implying you know anything

You're just a stupid fucking kid. I don't think that I'll be giving you any more advice-- it's wasted on you.

I'm sorry to inform you, but most people in Veeky Forums do not think the way a Veeky Forums fag thinks, that's just the way it is. We want to discuss life and money making, not literature (except Veeky Forums approved books) and history. This is not the place for you. Now, move on, Veeky Forumsfag.

kek bruh do u even realize that books makes you rich? do you know what being rich is? stfu and go finish ur gaylord MBA and be replaced by pajeet in the near future plz thank u
The Veeky Forums community
ps try r9k faggit

I just turned 19. Made 1000 in the past 2 weeks from starting my online business, best birthday present ever. I haven't even started uni, still in college. The most important part is knowing and befriending likeminded people who will help you with ideas that can make shekels.

>Made 1000 in the past 2 weeks from starting my online business
nigga wat, teach me.

And how do you find likeminded people in HS, when all they do is smoke weed and sleep?

Just look at the opportunities around you. I made it from pokemon go. Levelling people, catching pokemons, etc. Used bots and sniper to do them. Just fap and browse the internet for the free shekels. The popularity is going down now though. Built up my reputation by jewing the shit out of them but made them think that they got the best deal. Most became repeat customers.

My best friend in high school was very very likeminded to me. He introduced me to Veeky Forums. Anyways, I try to plan raids in /b/ to get people with potential and lulz. About 1 our of 100 actually has skills that matters. They also brought me connections in many other fields.

>paying someone to catch pokemon for you
all of my why

There is a market for literally everything m8. Our job is to exploit and profit from it.

oooh nice

>Made my money by playing pokemon for other people.
I'm sorry but I have a very hard time believing anyone would pay for such a "useless" service. How would a person benefit of paying you for doing your thing, instead of themselves doing it? Also, who the fuck would "lend" their phone to a stranger?

I would recommend getting a degree so you have something to fall back on if things don't work out.

Look at the job market and get an idea of what you want to earn and what interests you. If I was 18 again I would look into becoming a business analyst or IT consultant.

You can be successful without qualifications but some industries will be effectively closed off to you. And you will have to work extremely hard, possibly dealing with multiple businesses failing before one takes off.

As someone else said, gaining experience brings you a knowledge base and contacts. It makes it easier to spot the niche and provide a solution to the problems in your industry.

lmao

>I would recommend getting a degree so you have something to fall back on if things don't work out.
That sounds like a good plan but the only problem is that, even though I don't see myself as someone that gives up easily, if I get a degree that I enjoy (Finance for example), I'm afraid of getting comfy with the job and not moving my ass, because that happens with a lot of people. They have great ideas, then get a job and get comfy with it, stalling all their entrepreneurial plans because of the fear of receiving less money than when they were in a job. Also, there's the problem that being a finance major won't help me at running a business (except keeping things afloat, but anyone can do that without a degree). Now the argument that you could use is "No degree will help you" in which I have to reply to you that there are degrees that give you physical on top of theorical advantage for you business (learning to code from majoring in CS for example).
>And you will have to work extremely hard, possibly dealing with multiple businesses failing before one takes off.
Fine by me, the more we fail, the more we learn.

lmao no fuck you and kill yourself

at the average wage of a gas station attendant, it would take 97 years of pay, before taxes and living expenses, to be able to afford to open and run a gas station for 1 year

What is the business? Teach us.

if you can't make manager in less than 97 years you shouldn't even be thinking of running a business.

I've never had a job where I didn't make management in less than a year. If this isn't you, it's time to consider other career options.

Are you from a well-off family? I ask because your post might delude some poorfag into thinking he can raise the capital for a business using his mom's disability checks and an original holographic Charizard card as collateral for a loan.

Entrepreneur here as well, this is correct.

I think he was being sarcastic.

What you guys and most other people don't understand is that once you figure out how to run one business successfully, you kind of figure out how to apply it to other industries. Every entrepreneur that I know irl either has a few businesses in different industries or flips them.

>what are business loans

Do you really think people just fucking build brick and mortars with liquid cash?

>implying degrees have any value at all right now
May as well go buy one for 100k and save yourself 6 years of your life. Degrees are fucking worthless. Talent has value.

So you have an online store (aka website), and some clothes, but no customers or sales? That isn't a business, that's a warehouse.