Cognitive Training App Question

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I've developed an app that can increase your IQ by 10 points in 12 weeks for 15 minutes a day.

Does other good stuff like increase memory, attention, focus and inhibition-control as well. May also help with addiction, brain damage, dementia, ADD/ADHD and other neurological conditions.

Needless to say, it is a panacea for the mind and this is all backed up by 70 years of peer reviewed scientific studies.

Question is, how much would you be willing to spend on this app? $1, $2, $5, $10, more?

Willing to give away promo codes if anyone is interested.

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.redprincegames.com/p/tappy-memo.html
http://www.livescience.com/52100-brain-training-games-appear-less-effective-than-exercise.html
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RedPrinceGames.TappyMemo
https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/3422659?hl=en-AU
https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/3422659?hl=en-AU
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RedPrinceGames.TappyMemo
http://www.redprincegames.com/p/tappy-memo.html
Techpill
Techpill

Kneepasd

Firespawn
Firespawn

@AwesomeTucker
Does other good stuff like increase memory, attention, focus and inhibition-control as well. May also help with addiction, brain damage, dementia, ADD/ADHD and other neurological conditions.

Cool story bro.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Firespawn

Peer reviewed studies available. Read the research.

http://www.redprincegames.com/p/tappy-memo.html

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@AwesomeTucker
I'm interested, is it going to be the same kind as the Dr.Kawashima series on Nintendo DS?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@AwesomeTucker
No.
http://www.livescience.com/52100-brain-training-games-appear-less-effective-than-exercise.html

TechHater
TechHater

@AwesomeTucker
Nice first troll kiddo.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TurtleCat

These are not backed up by science and are not hard cognitive training systems. They may confer small benefits, but it is no where near the benefit the N-back system confers on users.

@Emberburn

The 'Brain training' most apps offer is a scam. They are not based on cognitive science.

My app is backed by hard science, peer review and exhaustive studies.

@TechHater

I should have added the link in the OP.

Here it is for anyone that is interested.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RedPrinceGames.TappyMemo

SniperWish
SniperWish

@AwesomeTucker

The answer depends on the gameplay. Show me your gameplay otherwise I will buy an established n-back app

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperWish

I'm working on some videos. Thank you for your input.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@kizzmybutt
My app is backed by hard science, peer review and exhaustive studies.
If a reputable set of universities peer reviewed your app - or something close to it - you're likely treading into IP issues by going off on your own and developing it without giving them a kickback.

(And I find it implausible that you'd have people do fucking peer review and yet not do a survey of non-4chan people to figure out how much they'd pay)

eGremlin
eGremlin

Actual scientist here
I'm sure that you can con quite a few people into this but this is full of shit.
This game is NOT peer reviewed, and at best is only supported by studies. I highly doubt its efficacy however.
Your appeal to authority is baseless.

Not that I'm against doing anything to improve the populace, they all just lay around watching tv for the most part which is depressing. But if this did what you claim you could sell it as medical treatment for a lot more money

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@AwesomeTucker

pay $3.49
I'm fucking Jewish. I might actually buy it though, if my stocks perform better.

Also, did you major in Cog Sci? Thinking of making the switch. I am interested in AI and UX with mobile phones, so I figured Cog Sci is a better option that Ling/CS. Though Ling/CS offers more programming classes. Thoughts?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@eGremlin

OP, look at this. Your game may attempt to implement the N-back system or whatever, but have you had it reviewed and found that it successfully implements the principles and has the effects of the system?

5mileys
5mileys

I would like a promo code

askme
askme

i would be willing to pay $2 for it

also, what about them promo codes

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@AwesomeTucker
I'd pay about 10-15 USD if it was good and I could try a demo. But I'd like a promo code.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@DeathDog

I was referring to studies about N-back. They are peer reviewed, my app is not.

I did however get an organisational Psychologist to have a look at it and he said it worked better than traditional N-back.

@eGremlin

That is what I mean't. Supported by peer reviewed studies.

@lostmypassword

I majored in Management and Communications. I stumbled onto Cognitive Science when I was a Naval Officer. It helped me get through bridge training.

It doesn't matter what you study, as long as you enjoy it and get a good grade point average. I started out in Computer Science and I'm now working in the field of Cognitive Science. Very few people get into the field they studied for.

@Evil_kitten

It's better than traditional N-back. I had it reviewed by an organisational psychologist who sells N-back systems to government.

The difference is my Tappy Memo system requires the subject to both indicate when the stimulus has changed and when it hasn't. This increases memory loading and difficulty of the task. If you can get up to 10 back in N-back, you will barely manage 5 back in Tappy Memo.

@5mileys
@askme
@Need_TLC

Thank you for your input.

Here are some codes

PZVTL1HXTSJG6G4T3JMPY6C
ARAL48BA95LXDKRVBE1JWAB
MRUGUPEB0T2DNY7RZFDPW8A
E18DRT2Q3FHPN8R7WVMFABJ
HW01UM6SZ00FRJWZWZNG6U7
1DZ9G8BPBF8BF4JY0RRDL3M

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@SniperWish

how do i input the code?

takes2long
takes2long

@Stupidasole

https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/3422659?hl=en-AU

hairygrape
hairygrape

@takes2long
https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/3422659?hl=en-AU

danke, komerade

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
Zero. I'm too lazy to spend 15 minutes a day playing an app.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Raving_Cute

Lack of motivation can be a difficult thing to diagnose. Diet, hormonal levels, physical and mental activity all play a part.

I can only recommend seeking professional help. A blood analysis is often a good way to start, that will tell you how your body is doing. The rest is just eliminating one possible cause after another until you find the answer.

That being said, if your lack of motivation is caused by depression, my app may be able to help in that regard.

There are peer reviewed studies that show playing N-back can alleviate symptoms of depression.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@AwesomeTucker
Dude, dude, this guy just called.
He said he Dr Kawashima or some shit.
Said he lend you his Nintendo DS and some Sudoku games back in 2006 or some shit.
Said you can keep it you don't steal his business idea.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@kizzmybutt
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RedPrinceGames.TappyMemo
installs 1-5
kek

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

op your game sucks.

the tutorial is like ancient heiroglyphics and the font is infuriating.

i played a couple games and i had no idea what you wanted. first it was literally just tapping the same number that just popped, then i got some variation of simon says? i don't know, like i said, the "tutorial" was pure garbage.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche

Level 0 is zero steps back. You literally just tap the number you see.

Level 1 is one step back. You tap the number one step back, or the X if the stimulus is not the same.

Level 2 is two steps back. You tap the number two steps back, or X if the number is not the same.

Level 0 to 2 is just diagnostic. Most people in their 60s will have trouble with 2 back.

Level 3 to 4 is adequate challenge for students and people from 20s to 30s.

The sequence is a constant randomly generated number series.

For example:

1 5 3 6 5 7 3 1 6 7 3 6 4 3
---
Is one back.

1 5 3 6 5 7 3 1 6 7 3 6 4 3
------
Is two back.

1 5 3 6 5 7 3 1 6 7 3 6 4 3
---------
Is three back.

And so on.

Another way to visualise it is in chunks.

For 3 back.

1 4 6
X
1 4 7 <- new sequence
X X
2 4 8 <- new sequence
X X
2 5 7

And so on.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Spamalot

Edit: Veeky Forums doesn't read ticks. I'll use O for correct.

Another way to visualise it is in chunks.
For 3 back.
1 4 6
O O X
1 4 7 <- new sequence
X O X
2 4 8 <- new sequence
O X X
2 5 7

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Spamalot

yes, i'm familiar with n-back games. i already have one on my phone. until yours is comprehensible, i'm just going to stick with the one that works.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@cum2soon

If it is not too much trouble could you please indicate which other N-back game you use?

Also, what do you think would be a better way to show people how to play them game?

Thanks.

Playboyize
Playboyize

why should i pay for your app instead of searching the google play store for N-back and download one for free?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@AwesomeTucker
implying you can raise your IQ

massdebater
massdebater

@Playboyize

Mine is more efficient and more difficult. It also trains multiple types of working memory at once, where as other N-back apps only focus on one type of working memory.

The reason I created it was because other N-back apps on the app market didn't do what I needed them to do, so I made my own.

@TalkBomber

You can.

Education, age and training can all increase IQ.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@SniperWish
Thx for the gift code mang. Interestingly enough it didn't ask for any permissions. Is the gift code forever btw, and can you see who installed the app?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SniperWish
btw the ui is stylish but a bit hard to read, and looks a bit dated now that everything uses flat design.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@AwesomeTucker

Your claim that it can improve iq is not proven. Luminosity has to pay 500million because of the same claim

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

How is level 2 supposed to work? I thought I read the tutorial properly but I guess not

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Spamalot

Oh, right, nevermind, i'll give that a go

JunkTop
JunkTop

@iluvmen

Promo code is forever. It didn't ask for permissions because the app doesn't access anything on the phone. I wanted to make it as clean as possible. No adds. No permissions.

@Gigastrength

Thanks. I rethinking a way to design it now and make it more modern based on what other anons said.

@Skullbone

N-back is proven in various studies. Luminosity misrepresented its products.

N-back is the real deal when it comes to cognitive training and is used by many government and professional organisations. N-back is also much more difficult than 'brain games' offered by other companies... hence why so many anons have complained about the gameplay in this thread.

N-back is not easy. When I first started I could hardly do 3-back. I wouldn't expect untrained people to do more than traditional single 4-back. I can personally do 16-back on traditional n-back and up to 7-back on Tappy Memo.

Tappy Memo is MUCH harder than traditional n-back because it has higher memory loading - which is a unique feature I developed myself and you won't find on any other N-back app.

If you would like to read about the science of N-back I've written extensively about it here
http://www.redprincegames.com/p/tappy-memo.html

@LuckyDusty

I need to apologise. I tried really hard to make an easy to understand tutorial, but based on the difficulty of the game I think nothing less than a video will suffice.

I will continue to work on the app and improve it.

Based on feedback from this thread and my own research I have decided to re-design Tappy Memo to be a free app with in-game purchases for duel-, triple-, quad- and quint- back. It will take a few weeks to redesign and implement, but I thank you all for your input.

If anyone else wants codes just ask.

I personally truly believe in the efficacy of N-back and I use it myself every day. I have no doubt that it has improved my cognitive abilities. But remember, cognitive training is like going to the gym, you don't fit after one session.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@JunkTop

I think your earlier explanation is alright, but it seems a bit odd it uses sequences of three at a time to explain the level, even when in the actual game it only changes by 1 number at a time.

I started with 374 and had the following inputs which were: 3, x, 4, 3, x, x, 3, x (wrong), 4 (wrong), 3, 7, x, x, x,

as far as I'm aware, 3 was always the 3rd number back but that must be a misunderstanding

Also, I'm sure ingame purchases work for those gacha games but im not sure how it'll fly with people interested in self-improvement

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@happy_sad

The actual explanation for N-back is like pic related.

It's just a long sequence like this where you remember x numbers back.

1 4 6 3 6 3 2 5 7 3 1 5 6 8 2 4 7 8 3 5 7 1 4 7

This works fine for 2 or 3 back. But once you get to 12 back it is inefficient to think of it in those terms. I abandoned this method once I started going up to 6 back.

Hence why I've created a system that skips a step and chunks the numbers together for the player.

For example:

6 back

Memory Sequence
1 4 3 6 7 4

Beginning of N-back sequence (where o is a number match and x is not a match)
1 4 5 3 7 5
o o x x o x

Previous sequence is new memory sequence
2 4 5 7 7 3
x o o x o x

So the sequence actually looks like this:
1 4 3 6 7 4 | 1 4 5 3 7 5 | 2 4 5 7 7 3

But my app has pre-sorted the chunks so instead of remember x numbers back you are remembering a chunk and comparing it to the next chunk. Different method, same result.

This is the recommended method for conscious n-back, but there are other strategies.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@happy_sad

I should also add, there are multiple strategies you can use.

Tappy Memo has multiple stiimuli, spatial, colour, sound, number, geometric.

If you have particularly high musical intelligence (or wish to develop your auditory memory) just ignore the numbers and listen to the sounds. I can manage up to 5 back on sound alone. I create a tune in my mind and update it on each chunk.

Another strategy is colour. Memorize the colour positions, they are based on the hue system so the warmest colours are on the top and the coldest on the bottom. (I can't do this, but with training it is possible)

Another strategy is using spatial positions. Remember the positions of the stimuli like pieces on a chessboard and update as necessary.

A personal strategy I have developed recently is geometric pattern storage. I gather stimuli into chunks of three and create a triangle. This works for all n-back with factors of 3. 3, 6, 9 and so on. All I need to remember is the spatial position of a triangle and update it as necessary. You can mix this strategy with others. Like a triangle with a tune, or triangle with a number (in the case of 4 back - triangle 6 - triangle 2) and so on.

The final and most difficult strategy is unconscious N-back. For this method you clear your mind and just watch the numbers. Let your unconscious guide your choices to develop an intuitive working memory. This is what I train currently and which gives best long term results. Delegating to the subconscious gives your conscious more working space and requires less concentration.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CodeBuns

Cool man, you should definitely put this info in the app. Get rid of the odd techy fonts, and the shadows which make the buttons look inset. Use a flat design and clean fonts and icons, clean up the tut and that'd be awesome as hell

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@JunkTop
So in other words, just a ripoff of N back.

N back can be found for free on the app store as it is.

Your only way to make money on this is through marketing as there is a free option available.

Inmate
Inmate

@AwesomeTucker
Your App looks like shit, there is no way i'd ever pay anything for it.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@GoogleCat
Implying innovation is not just ripping off old ideas

eGremlin
eGremlin

@kizzmybutt
autistic-tier
wouldn't use even if it was free

JunkTop
JunkTop

@takes2long
Fucking saved

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I've been working on a re-design.

This is a mock-up of the new menu. There is some back-end stuff I still need to do, but it should be done soon. I'm also adding a new memory game called Intensio, which is a derivative of Concentration.

I'll drop a re-design of the game later as well, for comparison.

Thank you for your criticism and advice.

StonedTime
StonedTime

And this is the redesign of the N-back game view.

I'm planning on having single-back as free to play, with customisation options (background, buttons, stimulus, etc.) for 0.99c in app purchase.

Also planning on adding a derivative of duel, triple, quad and quint back as in app purchase options each for 0.99c.

Intensio will be a similar model with the base game free to play and more advanced options and harder difficulties for in app purchase.

I will create a video tutorial based on feedback that will, hopefully, be easier to understand.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@AwesomeTucker
There's a free app for that.
It's called Luminosity.
I would never pay for your app when I can get it for free.

In-app purchases. Do it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Illusionz
@Skullbone
@JunkTop
God why does everyone call Lumosity Luminosity? REEEEEEEE

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stark_Naked
name an app that's easily mistakable
somehow it's the user's fault

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Illusionz

Lumosity games are pathetic and will do nothing for your cognitive abilities.

As another user pointed out, Lumosity has been fined multiple times for misleading advertising and misrepresenting their products. Their games do not work, because they are not based on cognitive science.

The Lumosity version of N-Back is useless for anyone under the age of 30.

My app uses a unique derivative of N-back which I developed myself which is harder and more efficient at cognitive training.

You won't find it anywhere else.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

To add.

I will have a new version out by next week.

Until then, here are some more promo codes.

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