How was were the National-Socialists so successful on the economic plan?

w8t4u
w8t4u

How was were the National-Socialists so successful on the economic plan?

Can such an economic plan work today?

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Evilember
Evilember

@w8t4u
It was short-term success dependent on continued conquests to sustain a militarized economy.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@w8t4u
How was were the National-Socialists so successful on the economic plan?

They weren't really successful.

They turned a crumbling country into a war economy, it wasn't sustainable in the slightest

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember
@Firespawn
nuhzis were built on a war economy meme

I expected more from Veeky Forums.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@SniperWish
hitler was a good statesman meme
I suppose I shouldn't have expected better from /pol/.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

1474407
1474408

if the holocaust had been real we wouldn't have to deal with jewposters like these

Supergrass
Supergrass

@SniperWish
How is it not a war economy to funnel everything into preparing for war?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Supergrass
I don't think the Autobahn was used to drive tanks on

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TurtleCat
hitler was bad bcoz hitler lolzz xD

@Supergrass
[citation needed]

likme
likme

@Lord_Tryzalot
hitler was bad bcoz hitler lolzz xD

You're just making a strawman now, no one said hitler was bad, you're just looking for something to get offended and "correct" people about by asking a purposely controversial question

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lord_Tryzalot
Hitler was bad because he created an unsustainable war economy and dragged his fragile country into perpetual warfare against enemies that could not be defeated.
Then when it all came crumbling down around him he blamed the German people even though it was he who failed them.

Methshot
Methshot

@kizzmybutt
hitler was bad
unsustainable economy
war economy
fragile country
dragged it into war
could not be defeated
blamed the german people
hitler failed them

God-tier memes.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Supergrass
I didn't know that the Volkswagen was a war machine.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Methshot
You can't just respond to things by calling them memes and posting more pictures of Hitler.

it seems like you don't actually want a discussion

Emberburn
Emberburn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_29yvYpf4w

At least it's an ethos

Evilember
Evilember

@likme
@kizzmybutt
You don't have to like Hitler to accept the fact that Hjalmar Schacht and the nazi party turned the german economy around long before the war

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evilember
long before the war

yes... by preparing FOR a war.

What jobs do you think Hitler created to stimulate the economy of pre-war Germany? What kind of jobs might those have been?

WebTool
WebTool

@Evilember
Yes, the Nazi Party revitalized the German economy in preparation for wars that they were planning.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Flameblow
I already gave an example of the autobahn, the unemployment went from like 30% to everyone having a job

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@WebTool
And that economy did a pretty good job since they took over a decent chunk of europe when deciding to invade

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@VisualMaster
a highway system has no value for war
a high employment rate has no value for war
Are you kidding me?

In 1936, military spending in Germany exceeded 10% of GNP, higher than any other European country at the time, after years of limitations imposed by the Versailles Treaty.
Hitler called for Germany to have the world's "first army" in terms of fighting power within the next four years and that "the extent of the military development of our resources cannot be too large, nor its pace too swift" [italics in the original] and the role of the economy was simply to support "Germany's self-assertion and the extension of her Lebensraum".[44][45] Hitler went on to write that given the magnitude of the coming struggle that the concerns expressed by members of the "free market" faction like Schacht and Goerdeler that the current level of military spending was bankrupting Germany were irrelevant. Hitler wrote that: "However well balanced the general pattern of a nation's life ought to be, there must at particular times be certain disturbances of the balance at the expense of other less vital tasks. If we do not succeed in bringing the German army as rapidly as possible to the rank of premier army in the world...then Germany will be lost!"[46]

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
Sure. No one's disputing that the German war machine was pretty good at Blitzkrieg.
They didn't have a chance against the Soviets, though.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@New_Cliche
Are you retarded?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PurpleCharger
Germans weren't living in poverty anymore while spending everything on the millitary, they had lots of cash to spend
Also if you did a bit of reasearch the autobahn was used very little for millitary purposes

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Fried_Sushi
However, nationalization and a cutting off of trade meant rationing in key resources like poultry, fruit, and clothing for many Germans.[3]
But yes, the economy was improved. You need a healthy economy to wage an industrial war.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@w8t4u
weapons of war are not productive assets. If you spend 1000$ building a bomb, once you drop that bomb you have nothing economically to show for it. Not every form of military spending has this character(for example infrastructure improvements to support troop movement, may have lasting value) but generally speaking war is actually awful for the lomg term health of the economy.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
No, but the Kubelwagen was.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Crazy_Nice
They're productive if they win you land which can be worked.

takes2long
takes2long

@cum2soon
It's usually cheaper to just buy land.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Crazy_Nice
If you spend 1000$ building a bomb, once you drop that bomb you have nothing economically to show for it.

Unless that bomb wins you resources, you know those things people have fought over since the dawn of time.

If you say, buy a bunch of tanks and take over Poland and France, you have something to show for the costs of those tanks.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Bidwell
But for how long and at what benefit?
Occupation is fucking expensive. That's why the British dissolved most of their empire, especially the uppity parts.

The Nazis bit off far more than they could chew.

idontknow
idontknow

@Bidwell
But then not if you try to attack the Soviet Union like a retard and get completely BTFO and cucked into oblivion

likme
likme

@takes2long
The Louisiana purchase cost a quarter billion dollars in 2016 dollars.

One air strike costs around 2.5 Million.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

The book 'hitlers revolution' by richard tedor is the definitive title on his economics and policies, if you are interested its one hell of read. ignore shitposters ITT

Playboyize
Playboyize

@w8t4u
German national socialism only worked because it socialism done entirely with Germans.

If you take a people who are not as hard working, efficient, and proud it will not work. You would never get the same results with Italians, Africans, or really any other ethnic group.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Crazy_Nice
If I buy a gun and rob someone its unethical but still an investment. Most recent wars have been influenced by oil which you pull from the land you occupy

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@likme
so, Louisiana or a hundred air strikes. I know what I would choose.

[spoiler]give me those airstrikes faaaam[/spoiler]

TreeEater
TreeEater

@likme
So an airstrike costs 1% of the Louisiana Purchase.
That means if you make 100 airstrikes in a war and capture land equal to or less than the amount of land obtained in the Louisiana Purchase (something like a quarter of the third-largest country on Earth), you are losing money.
This also doesn't take into account the costs of occupation, which can stretch out for years after the war (decades, if you want to keep the land) and will likely require additional military force.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Playboyize
If you take a people who are not as hard working, efficient, and proud it will not work.

Huh, Germans are naturally hardworking? I guess that is why hitler needed to discipline "work-shy" people.

Hitler had no economic policy. He said so himself.

Skullbone
Skullbone

They offered people jobs in exchange for political power - we could create the same environment, but it's completely unnecessary given that we aren't being punished with debt

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@iluvmen
That's why the British dissolved most of their empire, especially the uppity parts.

No. The will of the British people changed and it was seen as morally wrong to enslave people. Occupation can be profitable beyond imagine, look at Spain's occupation in South America.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TreeEater
third-largest country on Earth
Fourth-largest, my bad.

@Burnblaze
can be

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
Occupation can turn into conquest. China is doing this in Tibet right now bu moving in more Chinese than there are Tibetans.

It's the same strategy the Russians had in Crimea. Once the land is inhabited by mostly your countries citizens it's yours provided you can defend it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RumChicken
Sure, but it's fucking expensive. You'll see returns but it can take decades.

provided you can defend it.
That was Hitler's problem, though.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@New_Cliche
The Soviets could have been utterly crushed if the Germans didn't spend so much time trying to take Stalingrad and diverted so much troops on empty endless steppes. The Soviets lost like ten times more men in the battlefield and their technology was way behind. They also received a shitton of resources from the Allies in form of military equipment, grain and intelligence. Still even with the defeat after Stalingrad if the Nazis didn't fight in so many fronts and just in the East they could have hold the Soviet zombie-horde at least way past the Germans had the not-so-meme wunderwaffen (missiles, nuclear weapons, reaction engines, combat helicopters, laser technology, etc.), they were like at 1 year to mass producing them, the Me 262 for example, started using jet engines in 1944 but in really few numbers and by then the war was already over, other weapons like the assault rifles MP43/44 and the stg44/45 were introduced mid 1943 and weren't mass produced until much later and the latest models like the stg45 weren't introduced until 1945. So don't fall for the "Soviets were invincible meme", they just had the luck they had so many poor souls to send to the German meat grinder and hold till the attrition of fighting on so many fronts and the lack of natural resources started affecting the Germans including some of their poor strategic decisions in search of the oil fields.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@VisualMaster
Sure, but it's fucking expensive. You'll see returns but it can take decades.

So what?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Illusionz
So the money and manpower you spent capturing it is money and manpower you could've spent growing your economy.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Check out this Infromational Video about Financial Savings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4TV7PZuc_k

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Need_TLC
The cost/benefit is going to vary depending on the situation.

What point are you trying to make? The above is a given, there is no point in even mentioning it except to hear yourself speak.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@w8t4u
I think this conversation fell off the rails.
My original point was that creating a functioning wartime economy in preparation for a massive war (what Hitler did, in his own words) isn't the same as creating a stable, growing civilian economy that will ensure long-term prosperity.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@VisualMaster
1-2 examples of modest employment project totally trumps millions of people "employed" by the military and its industrial complex

no war economy indeed. stop trying to be edgy and accept the fact that hitler used his people far worse than any assertions one has about jews controlling the world

inb4 jew shill detected because i have the argumentative capacity of a mere faggot on 4chins

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@CodeBuns
If France didn't fuck up, Germany would have lost.

I can talk hypotheticals too

Snarelure
Snarelure

@iluvmen
Do you come here just to point out the painfully obvious just in case anyone with a learning disability missed it?

Thank you for your community service.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Snarelure
How else would people like OP understand?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Methnerd
Don't think you realize how bad the great depression and hyperinflation crisis was and how well they turned it around
I'm not saying hitler was a good guy just stating the facts that he improved the ecconomy, not edgy at all

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Lmao, just because you have a hard-on for nazis doesn't mean they were successful. Nazism only survived for a little over a decade. Conversely, ancient Egypt, a funeral based economy that spent all its surplus wealth on mystic nonsense while leaving most of its people in miserable poverty, survived over 200 times longer. So in what sense did Germany "succeed?" It managed to accumulate and squander a lot of resources, again if that's the heuristic for success, then the Pharoah system seems to be the ideal form of government. Just think what phallic nonsense we can erect with a 12 trillion dollars budget and post industrial construction methods. If you seriously espouse Nazi Germany as an economic model to be emulated, you don't know shit about economics.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@w8t4u
Dont listen to these educated fools.

Look it up yourself and the truth will set you free, or it will make you consider suiciding.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

1933-1945

Some sample size there OP.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TreeEater
@Deadlyinx

2015 GDP of the territory purchased. 1,791,774M
Purchase price of territory in todays dollars 250M

ROI 7,167,096%

Thomas Jefferson for most Successful investor of all Time.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Adolf Hitler managed to make his people see tax-paying and blood loyalty as a good thing. The solidarity between germans in the third reich was astounding, so of course it can "work", but the question is if it's desirable or not.

DeathDog
DeathDog

How high is SKLN gonna go? Would it be smart to buy in at .20?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It ran on debt.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Playboyize
African is an ethnic group
Italian is an ethnic group

m8, you might want to do some research

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