How? For example if a company needs 6 staff members to operate theyll still...

StonedTime
StonedTime

Raising minimum wage will raise unemployment!!! Socialism!!!
How? For example if a company needs 6 staff members to operate theyll still need 6 regardless if they make $9/h or $10. If they could operate with 5 employees the owner wouldnt be wasting his money on employee 6.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@StonedTime
If he can no longer afford 6 employees the company will close.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@StonedTime
Money is finite. If a company has 100,000 minimum wage employees at 10 per hour (8 million per work day) but they're generating 10 million of value, the company employs them. If the same company needs to pay 15 per hour it is no longer profitable to employ them, plus anyone making between 10-15 per hour wants a raise now too. The business adjusts with layoffs and automation or it fails.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Nojokur
so basically let the government pick up the tab for the other 5 dollars aka socialism.

because thats what goes on in the USA.

raising the minimum wage will raise the standards of living for everyone once everything settles down.

Also the government could spend less on welfare and put that money to use in creating jobs through saving your infrastructure which is completely rooted at this point in time.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Sir_Gallonhead
Raising the minimum wage will increase the standard of living.

No, people in cities won't benefit from the income increase. Cost of living depending on where you live impacts the effectiveness of increased wages.

Gov. could spend less on welfare

The government has a fixed amount of it's budget dedicated to welfare, the spending won't decrease. This also ignores the massive amounts of Americans who are using disability benefits.

Creating jobs through saving infrastructure

Why does the gov. need to raise min. wage to accomplish this.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@StonedTime
This is untrue. At the grocery store I worked at, they decided to do away with box people and instead hired a couple more stock clerks to both stock the shelves and help out at the front end.

So basically they innovated into making fewer people do twice the work. Thanks you entitled wagecucks.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sir_Gallonhead
raise the standards of living.

No. If bread costs $3 a loaf at $10 an hour, it will go up to $4.50 or more at $15 an hour.

If people make more, they can spend more.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StonedTime
we can live without a cleaner, each employer will clean after himself
we can live without a full time electrician, someone else will change that lightbulb
we can live without person a, person b can cover for him although he will achieve only the bare essentials
we can live without a guard, just hope nothing bad happens
we can live without Mr Shekelstein, i will take over economics although i don't know much about it, how hard can it be, hehe
we can live without...

Yeah, i wonder how one could cut back jobs...

DeathDog
DeathDog

@BinaryMan
that would be erroneous even if 100% of the population saw a 50% raise. Were talking about the 4% of people who earn minimum wage here. The difference would be negligible

JunkTop
JunkTop

Labor Unions:
Pay our arbitrarily high labor prices, our unsustainable pension funds, and our union benefits or else WE SILL STRIKE!!!

Jeff Bezos:
LLLLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOOLOLLOOLOLLOLOLO

:middlefinger:

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@JunkTop

Can't wait until the day American fast casual restaurants adopt payment machines instead of illiterate, self entitled, snotty ass niggers who will spit in your food.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StrangeWizard
yeah, I remember when the self-checkout lanes opened up in retail stores and put all the human cashiers out of work.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@whereismyname

yes, these are the exact same use cases.

Automation will never replace the highly skilled, highly trained cashiers.

It's not like japan has been doing this for decades.

I'm sure you'll be able to cling to your McDonalds cashier job for another 20 years.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@whereismyname

Well...not yet. But those areas are expanding. not getting smaller. So you can imagine.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
Just FYI McDonalds is not considered "fast casual".

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Supergrass
I'm saying there's a reason we still have cashiers even though self-checkout was invented over a decade ago.

and that reason isn't because they're highly skilled.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@StonedTime
They could have been doing a task that is no longer cost effective to be doing at a higher minimum wage. Also you're assuming labor markets are perfect.

You must be 12 and never have worked.

King_Martha
King_Martha

stop making threads about this

girlDog
girlDog

@Supergrass
I remember when the cotton gin came along and ruined the american economy

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StonedTime
The real answer is raising minimum wage AND lowering immigration/job outsourcing/welfare

But the types of Bernouts wanting increased minimum wage also don't realize that means large businesses will just outsource and small ones won't hire as much.

5mileys
5mileys

@DeathDog
everyone will benefit
prices wont increase
only 4% of the population will see the increase
businesses won't be hurt

wew lad, shit why haven't we done this earlier?

takes2long
takes2long

@haveahappyday
in the US at least there's a number of jobs americans simply won't apply for.

most would rather panhandle than scrub toilets or work construction or harvest crops.

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
a lot of people would do those jobs, just not at the wage level they are being offered

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@idontknow
two of those three pay considerably more than minimum wage. One of them averages near $15/hour and the other averages well above that.

so raising minimum wage won't necessarily entice americans to do that work, it already pays that much or more.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@5mileys
We have. Minimum wage increased drastically in the fifties and the only group ill affected were teenagers
only 4%
Ya thats the amount of people living on min wage now. You faggots act like prices will double but the difference to mass consumer markets would be negligible

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@takes2long
rather panhandle than work
Thats a very small percentage of lazy shitters. Leave your moms basement and youll see the homeless problem is a lot more complex than
lazy bums need to work
Most have mental illnesses or crippling addictions and have no support systems in place to make progress even for those who are able and willing. But thats a different issue than giving a small bump to minimum wage

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@girlDog
I remember when the cotton gin came along and ruined the american economy

That's my point. Automation has been happening since the dawn of man.

Unskilled labor trying to artificially inflate their wages so they can cling to age old inefficient processes are bound to be replaced.

$15 minimum wage just makes this transition to automation much, much faster than those lazy mcdonalds fucks expected, which is why they're now crying louder and more frequently in the news

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fried_Sushi
If thats your point youre the dumbest person in this thread

iluvmen
iluvmen

@takes2long
@kizzmybutt
scrub toilets or work construction or harvest crops
You buy into too much propaganda.
If they were willing to train construction workers there'd be plenty.
And people already harvest crops and scrub toilets, you get more by raising the pay for it.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@DeathDog
But the industry that supplies food (grocery stores, farms, and manufacturing facilities) would have to hike their wages for the majority of their employees. Plus, their "higher end" employees (ones that already make about $20 an hour) will demand a relative increase. This isnt theoretical, my cousin works in a unionized massive chain grocery store and this is actually going to cause a strike.

Sure, most of the population doesnt make minimum wage, but where we buy food and other consumer goods mostly PAY minimum wage. So they'll either have to lay people off or pass the cost of sales off to the consumer.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@GoogleCat
for the majority of their employees
less than 20% of them make minimum wage
my cousin in the stockboy union will shutdown the stores nationwide
lol

Dude face it a small bump for 1.5 million workers isnt going to cost the mass consumer any more money. Even if that fantasy grocery store your cousin worked at shut down theyd just build a walmart over it

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@StonedTime
Look at Seattle. Companies either leave or cut back as much as possible. Kids are both cashier and fry cook at McDonalds

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Fuzzy_Logic
ya seattles economy is growing dumbass

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