Is there any dynasty more retarded than the Bourbons >Produce literally ONE good king. Admittedly he was one hell of a king, but he was alone. >His two successors sit back doing FUCKING NOTHING. An age of rapid social change and they just sit on their asses, changing nothing about the political or legal structure. >After Bastille, Louis XVI could've led the Revolution in a direction favorable to him (it was not directly opposed to the monarchy yet). Instead he chose to betray the entire nation. >One revolution later, the reactionary and militant coalition restores the Bourbons >Liberal concessions are made to please republicans and bonapartists alike >Everything is well... until Charles X repeals all liberal changes >He gets dethroned, but citizen-king Louis Phillippe is here to save the day >Except he's literally retarded and it falls upon the shoulders of a Bonaparte to once again do what the Bourbons could not >One Franco-Prussian war later and the Bourbons are offered the throne once again >The Comte de Chambord refuses over A FUCKING FLAG
The brilliance of Louis XIV does not weigh up against the sheer retardation of the rest of the dynasty.
no, they actually are the worst thing to happen to European nobility.
Ian Gray
The bourbons are one of the worst dynasties ever when compared to other well known houses
Brandon Hall
>The Bourbons manage to be worse than the literal inbreed retards that were the Habsburgs
Absolutely no sympathy
Colton Ross
And that's why monarchy is a suboptimal system.
>Is there any dynasty more retarded The Japanese one gets a pass for being ceremonial up until the Meiji period. Emperor Meiji is 5/5 bretty good, then he produces this literal retard.
>His two older siblings had died in infancy, and he too was born sickly >Prince Yoshihito contracted cerebral meningitis within three weeks of his birth, leaving him in poor health.[2] (It has also been rumoured that he suffered from lead poisoning, supposedly contracted from the lead-based makeup his wet nurse used.) >Prince Yoshihito moved to the Aoyama Detached Palace, where he was tutored in the mornings on reading, writing, arithmetic, and morals, but progress was slow due to his poor health and frequent fevers >In September 1887 Yoshihito entered the elementary department of the Gakushūin, but due to his health problems he was often unable to continue his studies. >He spent much of his youth by the sea at the Imperial villas at Hayama and Numazu for health reasons. Although the prince showed skill in some areas, such as horse riding, he proved to be poor in areas requiring higher-level thought. He was finally withdrawn from Gakushuin before finishing the middle school course in 1894 >On 10 May 1900, Crown Prince Yoshihito married the then 15-year-old Kujō Sadako (the future Empress Teimei). She had been carefully selected by Emperor Meiji for her intelligence, articulation, and pleasant disposition and dignity – to complement Prince Yoshihito in the areas where he was lacking.
Colton Hernandez
henri IV and Louis XIII wasn't this bad
Brayden Martin
Monarchy is pretty optimal, though, because you can actually get shit down without being bogged down by bureaucracy.
The problem is, and always has been, the issue of arbitrary succession.
Monarchies always devolve into dynastic clusterfucks, even the elected ones.
Noah Barnes
>The new emperor was kept out of view of the public as much as possible. Having suffered from various neurological problems throughout his life, by the late 1910s, these maladies made it increasingly impossible for him to carry out public functions. On one of the rare occasions he was seen in public, the 1913 opening of the Diet of Japan, he is famously reported to have rolled his prepared speech into a cylinder and stared at the assembly through it, as if through a spyglass.[11] Although rumors attributed this to poor mental condition, others, including those who knew him well, believed that he may have been checking to make sure the speech was rolled up properly, as his manual dexterity was also handicapped.[12]
>His lack of articulation and charisma (as opposed to Emperor Meiji), his disabilities and his eccentricities led to an increase in incidents of lèse majesté. As his condition deteriorated, he had less and less interest in daily political affairs, and the ability of the genrō, Keeper of the Privy Seal, and Imperial Household Minister to manipulate his decisions came to be a matter of common knowledge.[13]
>After 1918, he no longer was able to attend Army or Navy maneuvers, appear at the graduation ceremonies of the military academies, perform the annual Shinto ritual ceremonies, or even attend the official opening of sessions of the Diet of Japan.[14] >After 1919, he undertook no official duties, and Crown Prince Hirohito was named prince regent (sesshō) on 25 November 1921
His successors were better but they are all dwarves.
Matthew Clark
Its a shame because the first capetians were pretty based
Philip iv did nothing wrong
Mason Brown
The Carolingians produced some real stinkers near the end.
Leo Adams
>Monarchy I do believe you mean monarchy as the base meaning as being rule by one instead of the more commonly understood definition of rule by one [dynasty]. Dynastic succession of a leader is a recipe for degeneracy.
The Capetians in general are probably the greatest European Dynasty, this includes the Bourbons.
Josiah Ross
At least they made good whiskey
Hudson Campbell
>sit back doing FUCKING NOTHING. An age of rapid social change and they just sit on their asses, changing nothing about the political or legal structure.
To his credit, Louis XVI tried to change a hell of a lot. Key word, of course, being try.
Some of his earliest attempts at reform were to completely do away with the current tax system, as well as laws which required the poor to work on noble land, and implement a tax system based on your wealth. But his mistake was to bring back the Paris Parlement before trying these reforms... the Parlement was theoretically supposed to be checks and balances to keep the king from being tyrannical but in practice supported only the wealthy nobles and wealthy clergy. The Parlement naturally opposed this reformed and went on a smear campaign to the public (ironically calling the king a tyrant for wanting to push through the reforms), which ended up with some minor rioting and a dip in Louis XVI's popularity, so he backed off.
He did manage some reforms, mostly those that didn't negatively affect the nobles, including requiring hospitals which received government funding to treat and provide medical care to the poor for free, regulations for prisons, etc.
Most of the earliest reforms of the revolution are actually ones Louis XVI put forth decades before. The primary "problems" he had with the revolution was the increasing hostility towards the Catholic Church and religion in general, as well as laws which forfeited people's property if they wouldn't swear certain oaths, and the increasing restriction on the power of the king and the general lack of enforcing laws regarding freedom of movement and personal liberty, which included him and his family being physically threatened anytime he didn't do what the Assembly wanted.
Dominic Torres
Hapsburg got you covered.
>Ferdinand was the eldest son of Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor and Maria Theresa of Naples and Sicily. As a result of his parents' genetic closeness (they were double first cousins), Ferdinand suffered from epilepsy, hydrocephalus, neurological problems, and a speech impediment. Upon his marriage to Maria Anna of Savoy, the court physician considered it unlikely that he would be able to consummate the marriage.
>Ferdinand has been depicted as feeble-minded and incapable of ruling, but although he had epilepsy, he kept a coherent and legible diary and has even been said to have had a sharp wit. Having as many as twenty seizures per day, however, severely restricted his ability to rule with any effectiveness.
>Though he was not declared incapacitated, a regent's council (Archduke Louis, Count Kolowrat, and Prince Metternich) steered the government. His marriage to Princess Maria Anna of Sardinia (1803–1884) was probably never consummated, nor is he believed to have had any other liaisons. When he tried to consummate the marriage, he had five seizures. He is best remembered for his one coherent command, to his cook when told he could not have apricot dumplings (Marillenknödel) because apricots were out of season. He said "I am the Emperor, and I want dumplings!" (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und ich will Knödel!).
>As the revolutionaries of 1848 were marching on the palace, he is supposed to have asked Metternich for an explanation. When Metternich answered that they were making a revolution, Ferdinand is supposed to have said “But are they allowed to do that?” (Viennese German: Ja, dürfen's denn des?) He was convinced by Felix zu Schwarzenberg to abdicate in favour of his nephew, Franz Joseph, who would occupy the Austrian throne for the next sixty-eight years.
Thank god for the Revolutions of 1848.
Gavin Rivera
Jacques De Molay would disagree
Landon Watson
>Luis "XX" Alfonso Jaime Marcelino Manuel Víctor María de Borbón-Segovia y Martínez-Bordiú >born in Madrid >like 1/16 part French >His mother is the next Duchess of Franco >Louis Alphonse's parents divorced in 1982. The religious marriage was annulled in 1986. His mother has since remarried civilly twice >Louis Alphonse refused to attend his mother's third wedding because he disagrees with her way of life as a celebrity >married the daughter of a Venezuelan banker >None of the members of the Spanish Royal Family attended the wedding. >moved to Venezuela to work at his father-in-law's bank, then Miami, back to Madrid
What a cucked dynasty.
Justin Hill
Faggot had it coming.
Aaron Perez
What exactly is the problem here? Which part of your post is supposed to be negative?
Logan Roberts
Not him, but probably the following: >Not French >Probably barely speaks French >Spawned by a bunch of degenerates >Working for the financial jew
Robert Carter
Henri IV was an amazing king, he basically conquered his kingdom village by village and managed to pacify it. Louis XIII is overshadowed by Richelieu bu also was a good king. Louis XV was just bad. Louis XVI was fucked up as soon as his reign started. People often say the french revolution was a bourgeois revolution. It's false. The nobles and the parlements were the first to go against the crown; If anything, Louis XVI was too brave.He could have accepted the revolution (not sure if he would have controlled it) but was too proud anc couldn't accept what the revolution was doing with the clergy. He basically died for his courage. It's sad he's often portrayed as weak, I don't think that was the case at all. Louis XVIII was intelligent at least, Charles X was retarded. Louis Philippe was ok.
Owen Howard
>betray the entire nation
Parisian rabble =/= entire nation?
Jonathan Cox
The entire Bourbon line pales in comparison to the damage Mr "Crown from the gutter" did to the human race by denying Germany the chance to become a constitutional monarchy.
Blake Scott
>>Not French that's a silly thing to say
1. he is the direct male descendant of hugh capet, he is as french as it gets 2. he is mixed with spaniards, a people not very different from the french, it's not like he's a mulatto
>Spawned by a bunch of degenerates yes well he is a bourbon after all
Colton Howard
>Louis XVI >Louis XVIII >think hey you added an extra I, that should be Louis XVII-- >then I remember
Wyatt Peterson
>french history >not being driven by parisian rabble
Bentley Campbell
>After Bastille, Louis XVI could've led the Revolution in a direction favorable to him
There was no way he could have led the Revolution favorable towards him. He was of decent devotion to the Catholic Church, and the anti-clerical elements of the Revolution were becoming ever more adamant and ever more radical.
Furthermore, we have no idea whether or not Louis XVI would have been able to steer the Revolution in any direction that would have resulted in him keeping his head. The Revolutionaries themselves endeavored to try and keep their heads atop their bodies, and nearly all of them failed.
