Daytrading

hairygrape
hairygrape

How big returns can you realistically get in daytrading if you know what you're doing?

If you can't get more then 12 % or so, why would you not just invest in a low cost index fund?

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/EU_investing
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/volume/24-hour/
RavySnake
RavySnake

@hairygrape
Noob faggot here. Where do I invest in a low cost index fund?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RavySnake
What country do you live in?
I'm a swefag, here we use Avanza and Nordnet, who offer free indexfunds.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@eGremlin
I'm from czech republic

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

crypto cuck here, i constantly get 1% to 5% per day with trading memes.

If you can't get more then 12 % or so, why would you not just invest in a low cost index fund?

12% per year is granny tier in my books

Lunatick
Lunatick

@New_Cliche
1 to 5% per day compounded over a ear means that if you stsrted with like 100 dollars tou would have a trillion dollars by years end

The entire crypto market cap wouldnt support your gains at that level after like 2 and half months

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Lunatick
Maybe he means 5% of his original capital

Booteefool
Booteefool

@New_Cliche
How do you identify pump and dumps before they happen?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Lunatick

you have to understand my friend.. Im trading with just a few thousand dollars here, and Im not a millionair.. I use the profits to fund my lifestyle of not being a wage slave. so i have constant expenses. do you expect me to live off eating mud and worms, while i let my money sit around?

I constantly post my meagre profits on this board to show anons that 5% daily is quite normal for someone with a bit of trading knowhow to make legit money.

I started off with a few hundred dollars and now im in the thousands.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Lunatick
your point stands, but 5.4 billon is hardly a trillion. you're off by 3 orders of magnitude.
100*1.05^365=5,421,184,158

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Booteefool
to be quite honest, i miss 99% of the pumps,, I make most of my profits, buying dips and selling the rebounds. I dont have a crystal ball to tell which coin will pump or not. I just look at the chart.. sometimes you can tell when a coin has been stagnant for a while, and you just buy it and wait for a pump. High volume pumps are my favorite, like XMR because you can always catch the news on Reddit and Veeky Forums

I trade safely so i can even make profits on a downtrend. Not gambling like some of you assume

takes2long
takes2long

@CodeBuns
You need to google your local interwebs. You definitely have investor message boards/forums of some sort.
In my tiny country it's usually done through regular consumer banks who also have a brokerage service. There are also international companies who offer these services to EU citizens.
Compare fees of various brokers and pick something that makes sense for your situation. If you have a large amount, you want to find something with fixed trading fees. If you have a small amount, you want percentage based fees.
You don't usually have index funds available in EU, but there is a large supply of ETFs which are essentially the same thing in your case. Find some world index etf with a small expense ratio and stick everything you have into it and leave it be.

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/EU_investing

massdebater
massdebater

@Lord_Tryzalot
You don't make 5% over a longer period of time. You might post your profits but what about your losses?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@massdebater
i barely make losses since i seldom margin trade. The loss threads you see are from anons who trade on margin and lose all their money.

its very hard to lose money if you dont margin trade, since you can profit even on a downtrend. I only margin trade when i feel super confident. and i dont make a constant 5%.. sometimes i only make 1%.. but losing money is rare for me since im immune from dumps, since i seldom margin trade.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@kizzmybutt
let's say you average about 2% a day. I could give you the 100 Bucks you are clearly missing because of your 'expenses', and in a year it would be 137k. You can even keep half! ;)

You don't make a constant 2% over a longer period of time.

Evilember
Evilember

@Snarelure

let's say you average about 2% a day

doesnt work that way, it has become harder for me to increase my coins over time.

When all i had was 0.3 BTC, i constantly got 20% per day.. It was easy to ride the low volume pumps to 100% profit.

Now, with several bitcoins, i am having a hard time even getting 5% per day.
I think Diminishing Returns is taking effect. It is not exponential. only to a certain point.

once you reach a dozen or more BTC, the only way to make more money is to ride the high volume pumps, which dont happen often Thus, diminishing your returns.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CodeBuns
BrokerJetGo, transfers between the account are free if you have an account from Ceska Sporitelna

RavySnake
RavySnake

@viagrandad
Would there be anything to look for in the order books? Any irregularities whatsoever that would serve as a giveaway?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@RavySnake
higher than average buy orders usually mean a pump.. but alot are also fake, and they get pulled away fast without buying anything. Alot of whales like to troll and play on peoples FOMO. Dont get too excited, but its definately worth checking out.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
also dont think about buying pumps all the time.. even if youre late to the party you can always short a pump (if available) and make profit

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TurtleCat
Ok thanks for the advice user

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@hairygrape
I day-trade forex.

Made an average of about 10% a day over the last week.

Every now and then I take a 30% hit though.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@DeathDog

incase you have alot of BTC you can try pumping

ive inadvertently pumped several shitcoins before, if you have just 20BTC, you can pump on your own, without waiting for one

Its fairly common knowledge, but heres how: Buy several thousand worthless coins like PINK, NOBL, or some other stagnant low volume coin.

Place a big buy wall to induce FOMO. And sell your shitcoins after it pumps.

There are risks involved with pumping tho.. If another whale with alot of surplus coins can see your buy wall, you could get dumped on.. Be sure to have your buy wall far behind the actual price, and try to make your wall look natural. Not jagged and lumpy

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Booteefool
Be the one doing the pumping

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Lord_Tryzalot
It's in BTC

Why? How do you even know how much money 0.00000323242135346002040 BTC is unless you use a online converter every 5 seconds?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Lord_Tryzalot
i can tell how many dollars its worth just from experience.

you get used to converting decimals to dollars after a while

Snarelure
Snarelure

@New_Cliche

OP here. How do you learn daytrading?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@eGremlin
Nej nej nej, håll dig borta från Avanza Zero. Didner & Gerge Aktiefond / Spiltan Investmentbolag är bättre. Och investera inte 100% Sverige heller, >vad är riskspridning

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Snarelure
from trial and error.. i lost alot of money before i could get a hang of it. im not even that good. just making tiny profits here and there.

I didnt do any research before getting into cryptos.. Just learned the hard way

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@hairygrape
12% from an index fund
impossible in this economy

@Lunatick
1% a day every day isn't even 5x a year.

Also crypto liquidity is shit so you can only make a hundred bucks a year.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty
explain how is liquidity shit, when i can cash out any time i want

Its just like Forex, but with imaginary coins

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@VisualMaster
With penny stocks or any crypto there is a certain daily liquidity of people actually trading. Most retail traders won't see it outside of penny stocks.

You must have buyers and sellers. If you try to buy or sell too much at a time there simply aren't enough other people to meet you at that price.

You might be able to sell 1 buttcoin a day at $4, but if you try to sell 20000 buttocoins at once you're not going to have more than one buyer at $4 and will have to sell the other coins at a cheaper price.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@New_Cliche
cryptos have higher volumes compared to penny stocks. For Example: BTC has 9 Billion dollar, Ethereum has 1 Billion dollar, Monero has $100 million dollar market cap respectively.. its easy to sell them. you will never run out of buyers. They are very liquid. Heck I even have some DOGE and I can convert them into USD in a few minutes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Harmless_Venom
I dont know where you get the 9 billion daily usd numbers but the volume and liquidity for cryptos, even for btc is ridiculously low for any kind of serious trading

https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/volume/24-hour/

Heck I even have some DOGE a
kek'd

iluvmen
iluvmen

@LuckyDusty
1% a day every day isn't even 5x a year.
Your math is truly awful.

Methshot
Methshot

@hairygrape
12% a year
0.03% per day
why don't people just buy index funds?
Lol Veeky Forums

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@happy_sad
market cap is different from volume. Market cap is in the billions, but daily volume is in the millions.

I only trade a few hundreds to thousands of dollars worth daily. It doesnt affect the volume.

I doubt you can affect it either.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Gentlemen, I recruit for the official biz chatroom.
we help eachother make money in the stock market. (as well as non stock investing)

anyone looking to join?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TalkBomber
Is it discord? Is it private?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@ZeroReborn
Yes,
and yes.
not the public shit hole one.
the organized layered one.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@AwesomeTucker
What about Skype group?
Skype looks more convenient

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Dreamworx
we're talking around 60 people, all in different channels.
at the moment, our format is as clean as it gets

discord has a mass voice chat as well

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@AwesomeTucker
I'm in the public shithole one currently. I just lurk and watch the charts to try to learn what's going on.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@viagrandad
Could i be so frank as to ask you what times you are trading? I have a 9/5 job Eurozone times, whilst also trying to get into some midday trades/power hour on NYSE. Starting to orient myself towards crypto since its my understanding trading occurs 24/7

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Lord_Tryzalot
these are two trades anyone could have grabbed onto. its really hard to get any profit when things slow down or when a whale decides to dump.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Say you get 2% a day by trading your whole stack, you'd get +80% in a month. However, if you lose big, -10%, five of those thirty days, you are below where you started. In crypto you can get 20% swings and lots of weirdness. That's a lot of small trades to get ahead. If you don't have a mechanical way of deciding your trades that you can practice or test you are really up there gambling.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Nude_Bikergirl
i dont have a routine.. i treat it as a hobby.. i trade when i feel like it.

@TurtleCat
yeah anyone could do these trades, i love when a whale dumps, more dips to buy

@BinaryMan
you only lose big on margin trading (you win big too). Its very hard for me to lose 10% since i usually wait and buy the dips.. a coin needs to really crash to almost worthless, for me to lose money. doesnt happen

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BunnyJinx
for me to lose money. doesnt happen
Veeky Forums, everyone.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad
thats cute, user.. heres another $20 i made

at least im posting proofs..

Inmate
Inmate

@w8t4u
$20 i made
Glad those kneepads are working out.

idontknow
idontknow

@Inmate
thats $20 per trade. I do many trades every day

Stay cucked, my friend

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@idontknow
thats $20 per trade
You'll be a millionaire in no time.
Slurp away, famalam.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@lostmypassword
haha salty as ever.. a profit is a profit, you mong

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@kizzmybutt
its very hard to lose money if you dont margin trade, since you can profit even on a downtrend

You just fucked up. Profiting on a down trend is through short selling on margin alone. You don't know what you're talking about.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
doesnt know how to buy dips and sell the dead cat bounces

While i do agree about shorting, its not the only way

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Emberfire
doesnt know how to buy dips and sell the dead cat bounces

I suppose you don't earn money with writing

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@SniperWish
I shorted XMR a while ago.. im not about to short it at 150k sats. Just Buying dips and selling the bounces for now. At least i post proofs

TechHater
TechHater

@w8t4u
Show us your balance, you faggot.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TechHater
like i said earlier. i only have a few bitcoin.. i never said i made millions off this thing.

just a few dollars here and there.

why dont you post your trades, user

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@lostmypassword

it beats being a wagecuck

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@lostmypassword

nice quads btw

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Lord_Tryzalot
dicksclips
Kneepading much?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@SomethingNew
dont doubt the power of Kneepads

idontknow
idontknow

it is possible to make 20-100% per day trading futures but once you start trading too many contracts you will probably have to expand to other markets. at the start though it's pretty ridiculous. good brokers offer 400-1k margins and you can easily make 200+ in 1 trade per day, once you know what you're doing of course.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TalkBomber
I am looking to join.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@TalkBomber
@AwesomeTucker
@Nude_Bikergirl
I'm fortunate you're the only one using "gentlemen," it made finding your posts easier.

Do you have room for one more? I've been hopping around chat groups since 2015 and I've yet to find one with any seriousness.

takes2long
takes2long

@TalkBomber
@AwesomeTucker
@Nude_Bikergirl
You can reach me at my throwaway: [email protected]

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@PurpleCharger
beats being a wagecuck
Yeah, that must suck.
You have my sympathy, user (assuming that's your lot).

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PurpleCharger
not really

you should trade crypto's alongside a job.. sure you'll miss out on dumb shitcoin PnD's btu that isn't the way to make longterm money in crypto anyway.

It's best to have a lot of money in coins that have a future and hold on to them long term.

These coins are:

ETH, XMR, AMP(maybe).

Just need to keep up to date on news for shit like DAO hacks etc lolol

Evilember
Evilember

@Snarelure
You read books or articles that are introductory ans then after that you go out and do it yourself just like any hobby or applicable skill, but now you can lose money so don't fuck it up asshole.
Also if you can't beat the market just hire someone else to do it that can, you might have to pay a fee but it's probably the amount that you wouldn't have made anyways and use the time that you save to study some more and practise some more, if you really suck ass then do something else, it is not for you.

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