Job in Cancer City

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Just got a job in Beijing, China for nearly 2x the pay of my current employer.

I've heard some bad, and some worse stories about working over there.

Should I do it?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-names-china-as-country-with-most-deaths-caused-by-outdoor-air-pollution-2016-09-27

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-names-china-as-country-with-most-deaths-caused-by-outdoor-air-pollution-2016-09-27
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-01/pollution-controls-bring-blue-skies-to-beijing
Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TalkBomber
you will die twice as fast so your spending can basically go up 4x!

idontknow
idontknow

@TalkBomber
The short answer is, no.
It isn't worth the money. I personally wouldn't live there long term, even for a million dollars a year.

China doesn't have the integrity of business, government stability, healthcare, social standards etc. that more developed nations have. The people are rude and the pollution is quite bad.

The scenarios in @FastChef
are believable.
Simply put, during the Cultural Revolution, China became a very dog-eat-dog culture. People got reported and purged, so of course individuals placed their survival above all others. The same self-serving attitude is still widespread there today. People will certainly lie and cheat to get ahead.

I was born in America to Taiwanese expat parents, so I know enough Chinese to talk to the Chinese students at my university, who emigrated when they were about 14 years old. Even the Shanghai rich kids admit that there is a much higher standard of living/integrity of behavior here. Some even seem intent on staying in America for some time after graduation.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TalkBomber
If you're white, do it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Methnerd
Not even if he's white. The Chinese will just take advantage of guilao OP because he's unfamiliar with the business environment. You'll also be gawked at everywhere you go.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Methnerd
why?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TalkBomber

Not sure anything would be worth breathing in heavy smog every single day.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

don't listen to everyone in this thread OP. You're better off going to /trv/ or /int/ rather than listening to a bunch of people who've never even been to China and know nothing about it other than the western propaganda clickbait headlines about the country.

Beijing is a great city. Lots of expats communities. The air does suck sometimes, but when it's beautiful, it's amazing.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TalkBomber
I don't even buy food from China.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TalkBomber
Beijing's air pollution has fallen 60%, and it is getting even better.

Furthermore, Beijing was never as bad as the memes. New Delhi and Shanghai are way worse.

Take the job.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@idontknow
Simply put, during the Cultural Revolution, China became a very dog-eat-dog culture.

t. Ignorant

China has always been a dog-eat-dog culture. Look at the war of the three kingdoms.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Need_TLC

i thought it was a people eat dog culture...

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Raving_Cute
People have eaten dogs all around the world for millenia. Including in Europe.

Only in the last century did Western people start seeing dogs as more human and deserving of love than other people.

@TalkBomber
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-01/pollution-controls-bring-blue-skies-to-beijing

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@FastChef

All these fucks heading procurement departments who have never heard the phrase, "You get what you pay for." Why do these mooks even have jobs? They should go to the breadline.

I don't buy anything made in china. At best it's going to break on you, at worst it will give you lead poisoning or literal cancer.

OP: Ask yourself what your health and happiness are worth.

@Garbage Can Lid
The air does suck sometimes

So yeah sometimes on Arrakis you get these sand worms that eat your men and machines and fuck everything up, but when it's a nice day it's amazing.

@Nojokur
New Delhi and Shanghai are way worse.

So yeah Detroit is pretty shitty, but Cape Town and Syria are way worse. Detroit being a crime ridden povertous falling apart shithole is just a meme. :^)

RumChicken
RumChicken

@FastChef
Sounds like typical stupid expats. Some Chinese are conservative(doctors, business people) and they don't like foreigners. Doctors don't really give a fuck since they get paid very little compared to the US unless of course you go to private clinics. Young people are generally OK.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Read this thread

/k/thread/31488152#p31488152

RavySnake
RavySnake

Research as hard as you can and make sure the agency or company that "hired" you isn't some kind of scam. Scamming stranded white "employees" is currently a big industry in China.

takes2long
takes2long

@Garbage Can Lid

you've obviously never spent a significant period of time in the city.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I spent a month in Beijing and I can confirm most of @FastChef

Im not a businessman but the chinese are dirty as fuck, I've seen countless people shitting in the middle of the street, spitting everywhere (even inside airports , train stations, food malls, supermarkets...), people passed out in bushes, etc
the polution was unbearable on some days. you could feel it in your lungs in each breath. at least 1/2 chinese wear a mask like they make you wear at the hospital

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@FastChef
if pay a low price for something you'll get scrap
This is translated incorrectly.

even if it's suppposed to adhere to a strict standard
This was added in.

The correct translation is: you get what you paid for.

5mileys
5mileys

@w8t4u
Wow its true. Autists fail to grasp humor

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TalkBomber
if they haven't already offered it you should demand hazard pay in addition to what they're offering you

It's actually become a critical problem for chinese companies that they have a lot of trouble recruiting foreign professionals because they demand exorbitant hazard pay and premiums for being away from their family since they refuse to relocate them to a place with so much smog it should be renamed Morrowind.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Skullbone
You'll also be gawked at everywhere you go.
that's not really true in Beijing and Shanghai, they're used to westerners. Everywhere else though yeah people like to stare. It's not a threatening thing though, there's just no social norm against it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Garbage Can Lid
New Delhi, Shanghai, Detroit, Cape Town

Chinese cities have the advantage of being safe. In Beijing or Shanghai you could literally walk around for hours and hours in the middle of the night without the slightest risk of being mugged or raped or whatever.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TalkBomber
it depends man..is money more important than health? i wouldnt feel comfortable living in a city that all you breathe is toxic fumes day in day out

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@FastChef
why Russian?

whereismyname
whereismyname

My friends mom was literally being beat up by her boyfriend and she had her buisness destroyed since he would come there everyday and make a mess. The police can't do shit besides put him in jail for one night.

She's going to hire someone to stab him. That's how fucked China is.

takes2long
takes2long

@whereismyname
le bad thing happened
Right, because everyone will have the same experience you had, got it.

takes2long
takes2long

@takes2long
It's an example of the police force you autismo.

Gr8 job taking things at face value.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TalkBomber
Do it dont listen to these retards

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Hi, I a former Chinese whose Dad work at a senior manager position in Sinosteel. A semi-state owned steel mill big in Chinese northeast. Apparently most business require a Chinese translator because alot of Chinese have shit accents English speakers can't understand, but English speakers graduated from classes that have STANDARDS and thus far are more competent in language translation. HOWEVER, this should plant a huge red flag into what Chinese culture says about their business industries. There is a nonexistent standard, everything will depend on the niceties of connections, and for god's sake never trust a person's word. I always, ALWAYS, check the goods and contracts. Chinese believe that slipping one past the customer is being 'smart' and it is the fault of the buyer, when caught, they're all "it was a bro joke", even at the cost of 2m USD in business on the line. Liability is not a Chinese thing in business, it's sad I know. You actively have to make them liable. Also they will actively employ you OUTSIDE of your contracts do to shortage, and sometimes will slip by these ADDITIONAL hours and not pay you, should you stir a fuss, they will threaten to revoke your VISA. ALWAYS ALWAYS, make sure there is a clause somewhere in the contract, ALWAYS ask about it. IF you don't have leverage somewhere on paper, YOU WILL be taken advantage of. It's cultural, and they will place blame on YOU for being stupid, which is insane. It's something I have never understood about cultural studies classes on Chinese culture, why do they not put this shit in? This is why most Chinese have utmost respect for white people in China, because they cannot not trust their own as far as they can throw them. It's like the stock market man, it's very easy to make 200kUSD and live like a king if you are smart, but if you assume for a second they can be dealt on a mutual basis or respect you will be a wage slave, cuck, and pepewithnolife all rolled into one.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Sorry for the broken English. I hate my Chinese teacher for it, but it's very hard to unlearn the bull and learn proper sentence structure and syntax.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

BTW I love this country, but. The food sucks, and driving around is a pain in the ass. Nightlife is nonexistant, Texas driving is scary af.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Bump

FastChef
FastChef

@Fried_Sushi

This isn't the first time i've heard this advice.

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