Why can't America make a sports car

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Why is it that America can't build a basic affordable sports car when literally every other country can?

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Illusionz
Illusionz

What about this?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Illusionz
Pretty sure that was ridiculously over priced.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Illusionz
automatic
heavy
slow
expensive as hell for what it is

why do I even browse Veeky Forums these days

takes2long
takes2long

market is saturated

nothing about americana screams roadster

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Poker_Star
But those were good. So good infact that the Saturn reskin was also sold in Europe as an Opel/Vauxhall.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@takes2long
market is saturated

So is every other car segment

@hairygrape

it's the other way around, opels were reskinned as saturns

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@hairygrape
So good infact that the Saturn reskin was also sold in Europe as an Opel/Vauxhall.
just an Opel. It wasn't sold as a Vauxhall because the Delaware plant wasn't equipped to build RHD cars.
But Vauxhall got the VXR8 that Opel didn't get so I guess it's even.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater
it's the other way around, opels were reskinned as saturns
Not in the case of the Saturn Sky. The Saturn Sky, Opel GT, and Daewoo G2X were all built in the Delaware plant in America and then exported to whichever country.
The Opel GT is a rebadged Saturn Sky, not the other way around.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Burnblaze
@PackManBrainlure
@hairygrape
@TreeEater

America wants a sports car
the best they could do was rebadge a Dae-Woo with a Saturn emblem

yikes

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Poker_Star
because no one will buy it

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Literally mustang.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Poker_Star
Because GM let Pontiac die, when affordable sports cars was Pontiac's forte.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Ignoramus
4000lb
$35,000

affordable sports car

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Supergrass
@Supergrass
affordable sports cars was Pontiac's forte.

Techpill
Techpill

@Supergrass
Pontiac's forte
The Forte isn't exactly a sports car...

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Stark_Naked
It might not be your ideal sports car but it still is one. Also closer to 3500lbs.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Stark_Naked

So what are those affordable sports cars for Germany, GB, France, and japan.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Carnalpleasure
1300lb heavier than a Miata

@TurtleCat
Germany: can't think of any
Britain: tons of tiny operation sports cars available
France: Peugeot RCZ, various Renaultsports cars that are stripped out and not just dressed up econoboxes
Japan: Miata, BRZ/GT86

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
the best they could do was rebadge a Dae-Woo with a Saturn emblem
The Daewoo G2X wasn't added until mid-2008, so it was only around for 1 and a half model years and late in the production life. badging it as a Daewoo for South Korea only was a literal afterthought.
It was designed as a Saturn first and foremost. The Kappa cars use the rear suspension from the Sigma platform Cadillac CTS and the transmissions (with different gear ratios) from the Chevrolet Colorado and Hummer H3 trucks. Daewoo never had access to any of those to develop anything and the Kappa platform's development predates GM buying Daewoo in 2002.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
I think it's because the U.S got spoiled by having companies like MG, Triumph, and, Porsche export to it early on

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Carnalpleasure
Also closer to 3500lbs.
no it isn't. The Mustang GT is around 3800 lbs. Which last I checked was closer to 4000 lbs than to 3500 lbs.

massdebater
massdebater

@BunnyJinx

japan: Two cars that get gapped by base model mustang and camaro.

France:
Fwd
Sport car
pick one.

Britain: tons that you can't name, most likely all fwd.

Methshot
Methshot

@BunnyJinx
Germany: can't think of any
France: Peugeot RCZ
If you're gonna count the RCZ, you'd have to count the Audi TT.
Which you don't.

The RCZ isn't a sports car, it's a somewhat sporty coupe on a FWD econobox platform.

""""""""""""""""Hot"""""""""""""""" hatches aren't sports cars either.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Because no one in America wants a cramped, slow as shit, uncomfortable as fuck, minimalist wannabe race car.

So we invented the pony car. Compact, fast, great handling, with enough power and speed to eat your average pro-am euro spec race car on American streets and at the race track.

Speaking of which, we don't have tiny cobble stone streets made for horse carriages and shopping trolleys. So we can actually have some road to spare and since our gas and insurance is cheaper we don't need to fill up our sub-liter diesels and lust after something that has enough power to get out of it's own way.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Sir_Gallonhead
What is the Fiero, the G8, the Solstice, and every single Banshee concept that Pontiac tried to make over five decades that was shitcanned by GM because they knew it would be better than the Corvette?

Everything boils down to GM is a bunch of assholes.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Poker_Star
Literally faster than a Miata of similar vintage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nV12oMIm4

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Poker_Star
corvette??? I mean its like double the price of a miata but still

cum2soon
cum2soon

@massdebater
@massdebater
Britain: tons that you can't name, most likely all fwd.

Are you dense?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methshot
""""""""""""""""Hot"""""""""""""""" hatches aren't sports cars either.

If this isn't a sports car, then there aren't any sports cars

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TreeEater
Because no one in America wants...

Yet USA has been gobbling up Japanese and British sports cars since day 1

Evilember
Evilember

@Flameblow
What is the Fiero

MR2 wannabe, mostly caught on fire

G8

rebadged Holden/Vauxhall, not even a sportscar anyway

Solstice

1 car

Banshee concept

are you kidding m8

SniperWish
SniperWish

@GoogleCat
Corvette ain't a sports car

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sharpcharm
Exactly, this is why there are so many sports cars on the market right now... Oh wait....

TechHater
TechHater

@Evilember
MR2 wannabe,
except it was in development before Toyota decided to go with the MR2
mostly caught on fire
No. Only early build 1984 4 cylinder. The problem was fixed by 1985 and never reached the V6 cars anyways.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evilember
MR2 wannabe
The second generation of that wannabe car beat the pants off the Corvette with a V6 with DOHC stuck on the heads of what used to be a OHV engine

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

really makes you think

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TurtleCat
People just buy Miatas and 86s because nothing else is available. That doesn't mean people wouldn't buy other things if they were available. But this might be too complicated for you to understand.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BinaryMan
The second generation of that wannabe car beat the pants off the Corvette

One wannabe beats another overrated car.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Evilember
are you kidding m8
the first generation banshee concept was literally rebadged into the third generation corvette

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Supergrass
Did you miss that the fiero predates the MR2 or are you choosing to be retarded

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Ignoramus
You don't think the market reflects the demand?

If there were a larger merket for such cars the market segment would be much larger. no manufacturer is going to leave money on the table if there is demand in a segment. You're too stupid to understand this.

Small sports cars are few and far between because the demand is very low.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Crazy_Nice
you're bringing up concept cars to support the claim that Pontiac is known for its sports cars

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TreeEater
That is a shitbox, sir.

WebTool
WebTool

@haveahappyday
@Evilember
@TechHater
Toyota starts designing MR2 in 1976
GM starts designing Fiero in 1978

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Poker_Star
What, like a Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Charger, or Corvette?

I don't know. America is weird.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@WebTool
Pontiac pitched the Fiero to GM brass in 1975.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Fried_Sushi
So it's an X1/9 ripoff, then.

farquit
farquit

@cum2soon
You said that the base pony cars are too expensive and you post this?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Flameblow
@Evilember
The Banshee was killed because GM wanted to punish Delorean for the GTO and because they hated sports cars. The C3 was supposed to be MR and release in 67, but GM wanted it dead. After a ton of complaining the best compromise they could make was the Banshee styling would be repurposed on a rebodied C2 to keep the Corvette alive and the Pontiac could keep producing the GTO.

The Fiero takes a ton of development from the mid engine C4 that was being developed in the 70s. When GM killed it to make an FR car to compete against the 924. That is when Delorean took his chance to get a MR car to Pontiac. Chevy had the Turbo C4 and C4 GTO were production ready and emission compliant, but GM refused to put it into production because the Corvette is not allow to be a race car. The gen 2 Fiero was killed the same time the MR C5 was killed. Sadly the Fiero was taken out back and shot right there. The Corvette got to live on as the C4 for six years longer than it was supposed to. The C5 we got in 97 was made in secret with no money and no GM approval.

Basically yeah GM is a bunch of assholes.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Poker_Star
Why produce what other foreign comapnies already produce and produce very well? That's the entire point of globalized capitalism. Only nationalist retards would think that America not making a light sports car is bad because some other country is making it.

We do big muscle cars and trucks. We should stick with what we're known for.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Lunatick
but faster, safer, and more reliable.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SniperWish
Then what kind of car is it? I'm being serious, don't give me some stupid smartass remark.
2 seats
high power and torque
around 3300lbs
RWD

cum2soon
cum2soon

@StonedTime
Literally none of those are sports cars

Inmate
Inmate

@cum2soon
@DeathDog
A Corvette is a sports car

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@farquit
That Caterham brand new costs the equivalent of $19K US in UK rupees. It's even less if you opt to put it together yourself

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Sharpcharm

Yup. And we also see only one type of car sold in America continuously for the past 50 years. How did the Fairlady 800 do in the States? Before it was canceled and came back with a MUCH bigger car with a straight six most Americans ripped out and swapped with a small block chevy called the Scarab.

How about the NSX? The Supra with it's Corolla roots?

We won't even mention Sprites and MGs because no one could keep them on the road long enough to enjoy them.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Lunatick

"Nobody could have possibly come up with an idea in America, especially Pontiac, of a rear wheel drive rear engine manual car"

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Methnerd
I actually saw an original MG when putting around Michigan a few months ago. Pretty neat.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@lostmypassword
and when you go to the US Caterham website, the cheapest kit is $33,900.
cheap and cheerful my ass. And that's without an engine.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BunnyJinx
Or a roof! Damn Brits are so cheap, they make the Jews look generous

Supergrass
Supergrass

(trigger warning not on anyone's side)
These threads are always autistic as fuck. people make a thread saying "Why doesn't "X" do "Y" then give no fucking definition of what "Y" is and when people try to post cars meeting whatever definition given for "Y" it either leads to retarded benchracing or a new goalpost that wasn't previously mentioned or other people post cars that contradict their own definition.

It reminds me of the "Super Car" thread which was also made without any real agree'able definition and when one was given and some actual considerable examples were posted the goalpost just became "Well super cars have to be iconic and well known like lambo" and it ended there.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@BunnyJinx
yes a low volume car imported in small numbers to the US costs quite a bit more due to various shitty laws

that doesn't change the fact that it exists

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Inmate
it's a grand touring car

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperGod
except it's imported under kit car regulations. A $5000 price hike is reasonable. But not a $15k price hike. Especially since the dealer for Caterhams in the USA is Superformance, the go-to leaders for accurate Shelby Cobra, Shelby Daytona, Ford GT40, and Corvette C2 Gran Sport replica kits

girlDog
girlDog

@Poker_Star
Only nationalist retards would think that America not making a light sports car is bad because some other country is making it.

...or we want more choice. I mean no one says the Corvette needs to get killed off because Porsche already makes the 911

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@DeathDog
Grand touring coupe, Mustangs+Camaros are pony cars

cum2soon
cum2soon

@girlDog
More choice is fine. But to say it's objectively bad is wrong.

idontknow
idontknow

@FastChef
. A $5000 price hike is reasonable

Why? Is it because you're a statist?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@FastChef
a child defending federal regulations on what cars you can buy

wow it's like I'm really on reddit.net

Methnerd
Methnerd

@cum2soon
Who said anything about objectively wrong? The OP says

Why can't America make a sports car

American can make SUVs, electric cars, supercars, and everything in-between

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Poker_Star
noone wants a roadster in the US because they want muscle cars which in fairness have bigger numbers ON PAPER

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@BunnyJinx
RCZ
1.6L engine
turbo not available outside yurop
nah

WebTool
WebTool

tfw no GXP

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperWish
You are a retard

King_Martha
King_Martha

corvette

Bidwell
Bidwell

https://youtu.be/nqh7yAWpOWI

Techpill
Techpill

@Poker_Star
Why is it that America can't build a basic affordable sports car when literally every other country can?
The v6 Mustang is the best selling sports coupe in the world. What more do you want Europe?

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