/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

Techpill
Techpill

Did not stake the Warmth Idols:
/vg/thread/165260853#p165260853

Character Planner
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DARK SOULS 3
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DARK SOULS 2
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DARK SOULS
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DEMON'S SOULS
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BLOODBORNE
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KING'S FIELD
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happy_sad
happy_sad

tfw lose interest in creating a character once I hit Undead Settlement
Going through the game is so boring.

TechHater
TechHater

/vg/thread/165260853#p165307476
You're fucking kidding, right?
less AR than Greatsword
worse scaling than Greatsword, is completely inferior with Refined infusion
same fucking moveset

Its only selling point is its strike damage, which matters worth jack shit except maybe in PVE. And that it looks sexy.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@happy_sad
Why though? I can see why someone would hate going through that area again but it's not like it takes that long to rush through. Unless you dislike the areas after it as well.

FastChef
FastChef

Why did Miyazaki just throw in the towel and decide that every piece of loot in III needs to have a thrall or slime fall on you when you pick it up?

I think more crystal lizards that ran into enemy hordes would've been better.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I fucking hated DaS2 and Das3 so I have virtually no reason to be here, but I miss DeS and DaS so fucking much. I miss talking about them here and playing them with folks from here.
Feels bad, man.

When's DeS coming to PS4?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Carnalpleasure
never
But you can be like me and make DeS cosplays in DS1 and 2

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@FastChef
Don't forget how literally every other chest in the second half of the game is a Mimic.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@FastChef
normal blobs are annoying and tedious
figure out fire kills them quickly so nbd
get to smouldering lake
fire blobs everywhere
thanks miyazaki

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Carnalpleasure
When's DeS coming to PS4?

Ask Sony.

Miyazaki said that if they did remaster DeS, From would have literally no involvement, it would be purely up to Sony. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-director-talks-franchises-legacy-poss/1100-6441636/

Meanwhile, the Sony Team (SIE) says that they rae focusing on "ambitious projects" and PS4 hardware specific games (aka, PSVR). So don't get your hopes up. http://www.4gamer.net/games/000/G000000/20161208073/ (there's a translated Dualshockers version of this but I can't be fucked to dig it up, just use google translate.)

massdebater
massdebater

@Flameblow
thanks memehacksucky

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Fried_Sushi
focusing on "ambitious projects" and PS4 hardware specific games (aka, PSVR)

viagrandad
viagrandad

/vg/thread/165260853#p165307970
I personally don't feel like DeS really aged that terribly. And I'm saying that without having played it first, or even second.
Looking at the mechanics of these games, things like PvE combat, equip load, blocking and rolling, buffs, spells, and the multiplayer aspect have stayed pretty much the same since they were introduced in DeS. The majority of characters that appear in the following games even have their roots in it.
Sure these things have been expanded, but the basics are all there.

Obviously the series has improved when it comes to varieties of weapons and different movesets, having more builds available, and bosses being less silly and all over the place. Multiplayer also has covenants in later games too, which helps make things a little more interesting.

Despite that though, I ended up enjoying it a good deal and I can't attribute it to nostalgia since I didn't play it till after 1 and 2 and I can't attribute it to console shit since I play most games on PC.
Just personal opinion, though, plenty of people would agree with you and say it's aged.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@FastChef
One day I'll gather the autism needed to count the percentage of "trapped" pieces of loot in this game.
I'd be willing to bet it's a higher percentage than in 1, but I'd want to know by how much.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

you lads saw the leaks?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Harmless_Venom

The only trapped loot I can remember in one are the items guarded by the rotting dragon in the valley of the drakes and the painted world.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@haveahappyday

For what?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@haveahappyday
no

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evil_kitten
Large Divine Ember

Evilember
Evilember

@Evil_kitten
There's a lot of pieces of loot in the Catacombs that could be considered "trapped", considering that moving to pick it up will spawn skeletons around it.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

always forget how vital poise is in DaS1
everytime I get invaded I get stunlocked and die in one combo

I mean, I would definitely lose anyway, but fuck is that a major reminder

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@viagrandad
Half those mechanics were around before DeS anyway.

What makes the games age is subtleties like control responsiveness, movement acceleration, graphics, etc. that all contribute to a sense of "clunkines". These are all things that get better across all video games with time as they become more sophisticated. DeS and DaS are both dog-shit ancient in terms of that kind of subtlety (worse than most of From Soft's PS2 games even). But DS2/DS3/BB have significantly improved in those ways.

It's little things like how in DaS your character basically instantly turns whenever you change direction, instead of having a progressive movement and animation to the turn, or how everything (rolling, attacking, etc.) is either "on" or "off" with no middle ground, all stagger animations are the same, there's only 3 different roll animations, etc. DS2 added a lot of wind-up animations, making movement speed progressive instead of completely based on benchmarks, and more subtlety to make it feel less arcade-y and more like you were actually controlling/moving along with the character. BB excels at this, along with DS3 as a result of sharing its engine.

In a way, that makes DeS seem incredibly dated, but like an arcade game, it's sort of dated enough that you really feel that mid-2000s RPG clunkiness. DeS and DaS is about on-par with the original Kingdom Hearts in terms of how smoothly or awkwardly user input is translated into action, and that's what dates it.

Both DaS and DeS have dramatically reduced complexity in basic movement compared to most other From Soft games, and that's probably due to Miyazaki. The games he touches usually have the least complex player feedback, despite being better in most other ways.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@haveahappyday
If it's not for DeS and Dragon's Dogma on PS4 I don't care.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Sharpcharm
DaS is about on-par with the original Kingdom Hearts
But DS2 ... significantly improved in those ways
You're full of shit here but somehow most of the rest of your post makes sense.

girlDog
girlDog

Anyone feel like getting a Sun medalian? im outside Lothric, The Younger

PC
password:dsg

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@girlDog
Sure, I've got a minute. Be right there

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

A fucking invader helped me kill Soul of Cinder. I love this new feature

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@eGremlin
it's because you didn't read context.

KH1 to KH2 clunkiness is shockingly similar to DS1 to DS2 clunkiness. It has to do with adding animations between attacks, creating legitimate combos, adding wind-up and cooldown animation transitions, giving characters momentum when moving, tightening hitboxes, and making a shitton of mechanics progressive (% based) instead of analog (on/off).

You could say the same about comparing MGS3 and MGS4, though that's like comparing DeS with BB in how much of a leap was made.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Boy_vs_Girl
just post when you have it down so i can tell you if i dont see it

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Sharpcharm
there's only 3 different roll animations
DS1 has four and all the other games in the series only have two. Have you even played these games?

askme
askme

@lostmypassword
Sign's down. Eira is the character's name

Skullbone
Skullbone

So where do I go after Gravelord Nito?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Gigastrength
By legitimate combos I mean slight variations in animations, windup/cooldown, and stamina consumption done when chaining one attack into another. DaS just has you repeat the same 2 attacks over and over, but DS2 changes up your animations, wind up, cooldown, and consumption even when repeating the moveset, so that certain weapons have

I'm not comparing KH to DS on quality, just clunkiness. And when it comes to clunkiness in 3rd person melee RPGs, they're fairly similar.

If it's any consolation, something like FFXV (which takes a lot of inspiration from KH's mechanics) is super clunky compared to BB. Games that do this best are shit like Bayonetta, where everything flows subtlety and never feels analog or like they forgot to refine or add animations.

But this is all also because smoothness and refinement of combat is the number one priority in hack and slash games, but in RPGs it's not at all, because game experience isn't a dependent on it.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

R8 this fashoin

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Skullbone
Seath's Party Palace

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BlogWobbles
I'm not counting the ninja flip.

The dodges in DS2/3/BB vary progressively instead of just swapping one animation out for another. They might look the same but the fact that speeds, distance, and wind up times vary a lot more makes them different mechanically, that's my point.

DS1: Animation 1 or 2 or 3
DS2+: Animations 1, 1.001, 1.002... 1.998, 1.999,2

Booteefool
Booteefool

@SniperWish
I already killed him.

Techpill
Techpill

How do I get across here? It doesn't seem like a jump will make it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Booteefool
Chaos Tentacle Dungeon or Edgeville

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Let down by dumb swamp magic

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

yfw they announce DLC2 tomorrow as a Switch timed exclusive

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@lostmypassword
helmet on that dress

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz
Kek Edgeville? Where's that? I already did Demon Ruins and Izalith.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@lostmypassword
fuckable/10

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Skullbone
Seath
Nito
Four Kings (new londo)
Bed of Chaos (Quelaag's Domain / Demon ruins)

Then go back to the lordvessel.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@askme
thanks, dude

idontknow
idontknow

@Techpill

You can

Techpill
Techpill

@Techpill
See that small sliver of platform on the left? You need to try to hit that.

Pretty sure the reward isn't worth it though.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@GoogleCat
Oh shit, done all of those. Thanks man.

I'm sure ready to be the fuck out of Tomb of the Giants.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sharpcharm
I'm aware of those mechanics being around for years, I think I just confused the whole 'dated' aspect with 'having archaic ideas in the gameplay'. Obviously that's not the issue.

I'll be honest, and it's completely personal opinion, but arcade-style animations or lack of fluidity detract so little from games for me that I rarely even give them a second thought.
But that shit dates games like crazy, so I don't know why I didn't assume that was the issue to begin with.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Techpill
It's a fucking hard jump and I think the item in the chest is a consummable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9X2MsmQe5M&feature=youtu.be

12:00

The chest is just souls and crimson water. Not worth killing yourself over and over again for, unless you have the spare effigy's and want to be a completionist.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Crazy_Nice
I'm not eager to give from $15 more for another 2 hour item expansion.

@Methnerd
Down from Firelink. Make sure you have Artorias' purity ring or you'll get fucked by D A R K N E S S.
Do the DLC before killing Sif for delicious angst.

massdebater
massdebater

@idontknow
@Techpill
@RumChicken
Alright, I won't bother with it then. Thanks!

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Skullbone
Going back and playing the PS1 armored core games after being used to the later PS2 titles is mind-blowingly frustrating, especially since they don't have analog support.

Playing For Answer after Verdict Day, too, is like stepping 15 years back in time with how clunky it is.

I get the same feeling with DeS/DaS. They brought AC1 back to the PS store because it feels so arcade-y that it's almost a novelty in how clunky it is now.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

What are some good weapons for a faith build in III? Dex or Str, doesn't matter. I just want something that does high damage and is viable.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Techpill

Jump and hope you won't get a babyjump.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Gigastrength
Viable for what?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Soft_member

PvP and PvE, but I put a priority over PvE

farquit
farquit

@Spazyfool
a fourth unique roll tier with its own animation and different frames/distance/speed doesn't count because DS1 is bad game because I don't like it
differences in roll distance (the only thing that changes with equip load outside of the breakpoints) each count as their own unique animation because the later games are good and I like them
Fuck outta here, man. You're completely full of shit.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Gigastrength

Saint's Bidet with Darkmoon Blade.

Soft_member
Soft_member

What is the most satisfying move to land?

I fucking jizz myself every time I hit with DS2 Fume UGS's 2H L2.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Soft_member
Sacred Flame

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I never played armored core are they comparable to zone of the enders?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@farquit
sees a post about small mechanical differences between the two games
immediately gets triggered and starts making wild implications about hating DS1 and how it's not even about mechanics

I didn't count ninja flip because it's a different animation, not a variation on the basic roll. I'm not saying "DS1 is bad because it has fewer variety in its rolls" because that would be dumb. I'm just saying that DS1 rolls were clunky and analog because they were just static animations, while later games smoothed it out and made it more progressive. Because technology gets better with time.

farquit
farquit

@Soft_member
DS3 Black Knight Great Axe 2H R2 when you fling someone into the air

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Gigastrength
Wolnir's. It was already pretty good after it got Faith scaling, I'm pretty sure the other greatsword buffs have been kind to it as well.

idontknow
idontknow

@Soft_member
Propaned charged R2, or BKGA charged R2 SCOOPS HAGEN DAS

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Gigastrength
Lightning Astora Greatsword

girlDog
girlDog

@Spamalot
le ds2 is so complicated meme

Don't jump with less than half stamina you absolute fucking kike.

5mileys
5mileys

@Nude_Bikergirl
I never played armored core are they comparable to zone of the enders?

HAHAHAHAH

HAHA

ha

No, but try /acg/

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Techpill
64 lifegem
Now I remember why people didn't like DS2

Spamalot
Spamalot

@MPmaster
I never played anything older than AC3, so I can't personally relate. I would assume all the older games are a bit of a novelty at this point, though, regardless of how they control.

I think in the end this is just something that by all rights should feel very archaic to me, but I have never minded for whatever reason. I have no doubts that the PS1 AC games would get me to feel differently, though.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Soft_member
flattening shit with a DS2 greathammer 2HR2

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@CouchChiller
They really don't heal all that much

It's the Radiant ones you want, but good fucking luck finding those

Either way, they heal so slowly that it basically doesn't matter

WebTool
WebTool

@Soft_member
DSGA WA

idontknow
idontknow

@girlDog

I don't know what causes it... I've heard people saying camera angle and stamina but it seems to be random.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

She is literally asking me to ravage her asshole without any lube or enema with those words

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@FastChef
thralls are a decent enemy.

@Carnalpleasure
Funny, I think that DaS3 shits all over DeS in pretty much everything except level design. In fact, I'd call DaS3 DeS 2.0 while BB is DaS1 2.0 .

@viagrandad
DeS aged like milk and the framerate is absolute garbo and unacceptable in [current year]
I mean, people say shit about Bloodborne framerates but slowdows don't outright fucking kill the game unlike DeS.

It has a unique atmosphere, good consistency in level design and some of the music tracks are pure orgasm, but it suffers from technical issues, grass spam, shit armor variety, dumb mechanics like item burden that doesn't even meaningfully contribute to the game the way Stalker's item burden contributed to the stamina management, it's just a hard limit after which you can't carry more stuff lol and gender specific clothing.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Soft_member
I really enjoy hitting with Morne's WA

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sir_Gallonhead
IIRC lifegems healed for about 500, which is 1/4 of a lategame character's HP
Early game that's half your health bar there, easily

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Soft_member

Black Knight Greatsword fully charged 2HR2

massdebater
massdebater

@idontknow
It's stamina.

It's fucking stamina.

Just kidding, it's FUCKING STAMINA

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Has anyone ever seen the steel case elite knight image without the "Dark Souls" text on it? I gave up looking for it around the time Dark Souls 2 came out and I never got back to looking for it.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Gigastrength
Thought the same thing. Imagining her masturbating to cucking the world out of an Age of Fire makes me think she's a cutie.

Shame she picked the game with Yuria in it to compete.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Spamalot
@MPmaster

Zone of the Enders plays like a gun-only Kingdom Hearts, with flight.
press X or O to do everything, game decides which attack to use for you
camera keeps track of your opponent
swap between special overpowered weapons
near infinite healing as long as you keep up the combos
On rails story with single main whiny protagonist

Armored Core plays like a gun-only Dark Souls, with flight
super awkward (but entirely customizable) controls until you get it right, then you're fucking God taking down impossible enemies
all the lore is in the item descriptions
complex armor/weapon customization, gameplay depends entirely on your stats and equipment
can be easy or hard depending on what you use

ZoE 1 or 2 is piss-easy compared to most AC games. They're both great mech games, but for totally different reasons. Do not go into AC expecting it to play like ZoE.

The closest AC game to ZoE is Armored Core For Answer. It's also the simplest and easiest in the series, you can pretty much just hop in and blow up everything without really thinking.

Armored Core 3 is probably the best in the series for beginners. Armored Core Last Raven is the best if you want to git gud, as it's probably the intentionally hardest From game ever made.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@massdebater

I'm not saying you're wrong but two or so years ago when I last played DaS2 no one knew what caused it.

WebTool
WebTool

@Fried_Sushi
Gyrm Great Hammer.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

AotA: We weren't planing on releasing dlc because we believe a game should be released in full content but we did it anyway. It was originally part of the main game but everything's pretty through and detailed.
Lost Crowns: This was part of the game but we had a lot of fun with it so it expands on some parts of the lore and a bit of the main story. You didn't get the chance to find out small bits of confusing lore in the game so here's the opportunity to get a bigger story.
The Old Hunters: We have a bigger budget this time and decided to put the last piece of Bloodborne so I really hope you guys enjoy it this time! We also added new transformations that weren't in the main game plus clues to all the mad shags that got you guys mind boggling so this should clear up how hunters came to be.
AoA: The dlc this time is strictly unrelated with the main story which is done btw. We're only using this for testing grounds of things we got the chance to do so I hope you enjoy the scraps.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@BunnyJinx
This was part of the game but we had a lot of fun with it so it expands on some parts of the lore and a bit of the main story
It was the main game user

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Soft_member
EGS spin slash

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

DaS stopped working for so I'm planning to reinstall it so my question is, do I need to back up my saves or are there in the steam cloud? If the former, where do i find them and under what extension?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Does Sir Vilhelm use any spells? I'm making a sl 80~ build to boss invade Friede. For great justice.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad

Vow of Silence and Great Heal

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Dreamworx

DS1 has Steamcloud

And for some reason the next two games don't

Just From Software things

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Fuzzy_Logic
Okay, I'll reinstall it then. Thanks, user.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What's the difference between magic weapons and enchanted weapons, in DS1?

girlDog
girlDog

When the fuck are they going to announce DLC 2
Just get it over with so From can move onto games they actually care about making

takes2long
takes2long

@BunnyJinx
I think it's more likely that 3 was made on pressure/contract obligation from Bamco than FROM wanting money.
Say what you want about Miyazaki, I don't think he actually wants to make sequels. If he did, he probably would've tried to direct 2.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I like this game, guys

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@takes2long
Say what you want about Miyazaki, I don't think he actually wants to make sequels
I'm almost 100% sure I read it from an interview of him specifically saying just that. DS3 is proof that he's burnt out or absolutely appalled on the idea of churning out sequels.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SniperWish
I quite enjoy all of the souls games, and most of what Fromsoftware has put out over the years.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Skullbone
@5mileys

That might be more my style then, ZoE was kinda boring for me, thanks

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Raving_Cute

Enchanted has higher scaling but lower base damage. Magic is the opposite.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SniperWish
Most of us do. We're just disappointed that it wasn't the sequel we were promised or expecting.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@LuckyDusty
#1 is still the best to me. I can't explain the feeling, I just get the feeling when I play it.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Raving_Cute
Enchanted is just a more intense version of Magic. It puts even more scaling on Int than Str/Dex and gives it even more magic damage. It's only better if you are a pure mage with absolutely no str/dex

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Emberburn
Was it your first? If so, then there's your explanation.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Post yfw the first time getting to Anor Londo DS1

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Sleepy as fuck.

Thanks for joining.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@New_Cliche

Doesn't enchanted give physical damage based on int?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Fuzzy_Logic
I played demon's souls first but I don't have the same commitment to it. I don't feel like if I played #2 or #3 first I would like it irrationally in the same way.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Need_TLC
Thanks host

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Soft_member
Golf-swinging the greatsword to knock Maldron the Assassin off Brume Tower

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@happy_sad
In DS2, not DS1.

Methshot
Methshot

@happy_sad
@eGremlin
Also add the fact that he occasionally uses dark hand attack. Good luck user
@Emberburn
Personally I feel like almost every inch of each area was touched on so in a way it feels expansive or maybe the interconnected world makes me feel like, instead of moving a person via controller, I am the character I play as and the controller is the brain choosing in where I go or what I choose to do with my limbs. That sounded too creepy as I was typing this. S-sorry.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@ZeroReborn
I had the same feeling with 3 the whole way through, though maybe for different reasons.
If you think about how 3 pans out, the overwhelming majority of people, places, and groups from other games are either dead, never mentioned, or falling apart. The things that people loved got fucked from beginning to end.
I honestly think it was intended to get veterans to feel like there is absolutely nothing left to save. That the only choice that makes sense is to let the world die.
I don't know if I'm thinking too hard about this or if it's too meta, but I genuinely believe the game is telling you to let it be finished. The Corvian guy in the DLC even says something to that effect.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Fried_Sushi
I would love to, but this is a SFW board.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@CouchChiller
255 everywhere

Not even subtle, kill yourself.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Methshot
Personally I feel like almost every inch of each area was touched on so in a way it feels expansive

Except for maybe Blighttown, Abyss, Tomb of Giants, and Demon Ruins.

DS1 does have the most egregious rip-offs of real life locations though, in a good way. I feel like DS1 is where Miyazaki dumped all of his best area ideas from movies/books/anime.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CouchChiller
all those 0s and 255s
I don't even have to try to make this to know that this is a ruse.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Fried_Sushi
I wasn't impressed. Some dumb sun effects don't even look very good compared to other earlier areas

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I just finished my first Souls game (Demon's Souls) and it feels so fucking great!

What game should i play next?
Dark Souls 1, 2 or Bloodborne? (I dont have Dark Souls 3)

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Methshot
One final question on Vilhelm: what talisman is he using?

idontknow
idontknow

@Stark_Naked
Is the face creator like DaS1 then where going to any extreme will permanently fuck up the face mesh you're working with?

TreeEater
TreeEater

I just finished Dark Souls 3 with a natural playthrough
Its pretty good

I was going to start a new game with a new build and do the Usurping ending

Any ideas for a build?

I was thinking straight swords, high int and faith focusing on dark magic/pyromancies/miracles

Any ideas for starting class, armor, weapons or leveling?
What would a "Lord of Hollows" be like?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Need_TLC
Play DaS, then DaS2, then i would encourage you to play DaS3 before Bloodborne

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@idontknow
Yes.

Techpill
Techpill

@Need_TLC
Play DS1 > DS2 > DS3 > BB

Don't play BB before DS3 or it will make you disappointed in DS3.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Soft_member
Profaned R2 because the flames make me feel like I'm playing Bloodborne where they have the blue shine and a ding to indicate a fully charged attack

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TreeEater
focusing on dark magic/miracles
Ok go ahead

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Need_TLC
Continue onto Dark Souls 1, then 2. Worry about Bloodborne later, as it's a different beast. If you tried fitting Bloodborne in the middle of anything else it'd mess with your flow.

farquit
farquit

get invaded in Iron Keep
Guy is blasting spells like no tomorrow
I've never even seen some of these

I don't know if I just haven't seen some legit spells, or if he was one of those hackers

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Dark Souls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoP5NGLsWR0
Dark Souls II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkg-BZI-WRA
Bloodborne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f3j4okhb8o

Dark Souls III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8
What did they mean by this?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@farquit
Probably hacker. Someone post Thor webm

askme
askme

@farquit
He could have been swapping for hexes, but there's some high (65 int) level spells that are almost never used in PvP and are nowhere in the main game.

eGremlin
eGremlin

What's the best upgrade path for a longbow?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Poker_Star
The marketing department doesn't know how to sell their game without resorting to pop songs and memes

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PurpleCharger
@Techpill
@Crazy_Nice

Thanks Anons :)

i played a little of Bloodborne already and i defeated the Cleric Beast and Father Gasgoigne with help but the Blood Starved Beast rekt me everytime, the game is too fast for me right now.

Magic is good in Dark Souls 2?

Flameblow
Flameblow

can't beat aldrich
grind my ass off so I can become a pyro and buy Chaos Vestiges
some how fuck up and realize I must have sold my Demon King soul
Decide maybe I can dump stuff into a new weapon to switch things up
upgrade a katana
Still don't have any chunks so it's not better than my broadsword
can't find chunks for some reason

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Harmless_Venom
I meant the huge leap between BB and DS3

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

When's the best time to take a walk in Oolacile?
After Dusk

w8t4u
w8t4u

Anyone here interested in co-oping Sen's Fortress?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Poker_Star
They meant nothing. Bandai US chooses the music and makes the ads, not From.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@w8t4u
Yes, what SL?
steamID for DSCM?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@CouchChiller
Currently 43, steam ID aramblingvoice.

Not looking to rush it, planning on exploring for all items, looking for a friendly to join in jolly cooperation!

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

What's the point of being embered in DaS3?
In DaS2 you can be invaded hollow or not, and being hollowed also took a % of your total HP so one wanted to avoid that. In DaS you got a lot of bonuses for stacking humanity and being hollowed prevented the player from kindling a bonfire.
In DaS3 there's literally no downside for dying, no actual need to use embers (unless you are a faggot who needs summons). I'm missing something here?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Sir_Gallonhead
i played a little of Bloodborne already and i defeated the Cleric Beast and Father Gasgoigne with help but the Blood Starved Beast rekt me everytime

I pretty much just completed my first run.
Blood Starved Beast isn't even necessary to beat at that point of the game but you can do him if you insist.

I beat BSB as my second boss and it was kind of a pain honestly. Work on the timing of your gun parries and use rally as your primary tool of getting back health to save vials for the second phase.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Sir_Gallonhead
What's the point of being embered in DaS3?
You mean what's the point of being unembered. When you're not embered, you're missing 30% free HP.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat
I have the perfect co-opfu for you. My sign will be at the entrance.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Sir_Gallonhead
30% hp

Methnerd
Methnerd

Top 5 hardest Boss fights in the entire series? We'll even include Bloodborne for fun.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fried_Sushi
I didn't even think it looked that amazing, but knowing full well what it was and the visual difference between it and the places you had been through to get there made me smile.
On the other hand, opening the door to Gywnevere and hearing that absurdly dramatic music made me grin like an idiot. The best kind of cheese.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Orbeck leaves and dies if you buy all of his spells

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK WHY DOES EVERYONE DIE

WebTool
WebTool

@Sir_Gallonhead
@PackManBrainlure
Interrupting BSB

Making shit way harder on yourselves than you need to.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Sir_Gallonhead
no downside to dying
-30% health when not embered

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Stark_Naked
Fuck off jojo faggot.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methnerd
Phalanx

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@w8t4u
@GoogleCat

Fug I'll put my sign down for you guys if you'd still like

TreeEater
TreeEater

How should I infuse my uchigatana?
Doing a dex build, I just got the giants coal
Currently have a sharp gem on it.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
Infusions depend almost entirely on your stats. If you're a DEX build, sharp is almost always best.

idontknow
idontknow

@Methnerd
For me it's
lmao2cat
Raime
Beast-Possessed Soul
Fume Knight
Orphan of Kos

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@w8t4u
@GoogleCat
I'm 1 SL out of range

StonedTime
StonedTime

@RavySnake
Don't buy all of his spells and he won't, nerd.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@haveahappyday
Thanks, are there any better dex weapons before Aldrich?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Is there anyway to mess with your leveling in ds3 like the the soul vessel in ds2?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@CouchChiller
Yes, google the NPC Rosaria

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Stupidasole
There are very few weapons better for pure DEX than quality, but nearly anything that isn't a pure STR weapon like a club will do well sharp. Dagger, Whip, Chaos Blade, and Sellsword Twinblades come to mind.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@ZeroReborn
Easily one of the most fun bosses in the game.
Then again, bosses were the only thing in that game.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Methnerd
1. Manus
2. Nameless King
3. Allant
4. Sir Alonne
5. reserved for BB.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Crazy_Nice
1. Manus

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fuzzy_Logic
@Illusionz
@BlogWobbles

start the game unembered
deal with the tutorial without issues, get embered
die sometime later
30% of a little is a little
almost no difference
keep playing

I guess it might be useful in NG+, early game 30% HP is next to nothing, everything hits you for double of that amount.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TalkBomber
Quality?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Sen's Fortress bros.... was getting a weird double rolling rock glitch... I'll summon you guys at entrance if you wanna keep on?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@DeathDog
Gaius and Phalanx scared the shit out of me

Evilember
Evilember

@Poker_Star

Wasn't there a trailer for DS2 with Jethro Tool?

DS2 wins yet again

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Harmless_Venom
You don't really need to human in DeS amd 2 unless you want to free a rong slot either, but people do., it's a free boost after every boss kill even

idontknow
idontknow

@Spamalot
STR/DEX hybrid build.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@CouchChiller
How did they improve the visuals so little (not at all) from DeS?

Oh, yeah, Tanimura.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evilember
don't remember this
look up the trailer
player character is fatrolling everywhere

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Poker_Star

To be fair, Faux Fix's "True Colours" sounds nothing like Cyndi Lauper, and I thought it was a good fit.

A much better fit than I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I DIED anyway.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Playboyize
The one that scared me the most was Dirge.
Having him chase you down with only his eyes visible above the sands was creepy as fuck.
I can see why Gaius would be terrifying though, seeing how he rises out of the ground with that massive sword and everything.

WebTool
WebTool

@Evilember

There was also a DaS2 trailer with Nitzer Ebb.

Supergrass
Supergrass

with dark souls 2 dlc do I get the scholar version or the 3 crown dlc's? video games these days are so fucked up and convoluted

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Spazyfool
Only 10 of these look good

FastChef
FastChef

@Sir_Gallonhead
unless you are a faggot who needs summons
If you have at least 12 Faith you can just use Seek Guidance and summon without needing an Ember.

farquit
farquit

@Supergrass
Scholar on PC/PS4/XBO comes with the DLCs but also scrambles the main game in a big way. Changes enemy placements and adds a few characters/invaders

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Supergrass
Scholar

@FastChef
Allows you to see summoning signs, but you cannot summon White Soapstone phantoms unless you are in Ember Form.
So just NPCs?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Crazy_Nice
Sir Alonne
Harder than Fume Knight Raime
Seriously?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PurpleCharger
To be fair, Sir Alonne is a lot faster than Fume Knight, has a grab that boosts his attack power, and also has the same "stop everything and use a stupidly powerful attack on the guy who's slowly chugging Estus" mechanic. He just doesn't hit nearly as hard, but they sorta cancel out.

He's also at the end of a pretty long gauntlet of bullshit that there's little way to skip outside of summoning phantoms to tank for you. At least with Fume Knight, there's a bonfire right outside his boss room and you can walk along the inner perimeter to avoid the flaming armpit enemies.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PurpleCharger
I would have to agree with Raime being easier.
Raime may hit like a truck and leave few places to heal, but his attacks are slow and telegraphed pretty clearly. He also has a massive blind spot directly behind him that is easily taken advantage of.
I would say Alonne gives even fewer opportunities to heal while being much faster and a little harder to gauge.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@farquit
@RumChicken
scholar it is

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Burnblaze
The thing with Gaius and Phalanx is that you feel so small in front of them

massdebater
massdebater

@SniperGod
I also agree, but Alonne has the fatal flaw of largely being trivialized by a decent shield. Factoring in the boss run as well, he's definitely the harder boss by though anyway.

Evilember
Evilember

Anyone know of a good pyro PvE build that uses greatswords and medium armor? I want to play through NG+ as the soul of cinder

massdebater
massdebater

@TreeEater
Go for anri sword luck hollow build

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Dark Souls 2 is better on PS3 or PS4?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Poker_Star
It's unplayable on PS3.

And there's no 'actual' SotFS edition, if that interests you.

TechHater
TechHater

@Poker_Star
pc
4

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Is there any point to bleed in DS2? Comparing Flamberge + AWS to Claymore + SS, It seems like I would lose more than 200 damage per hit just to focus on bleed... so I can't think of any situation where bleeding the opponent does more damage than just going for the same moveset with no bleed.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@hairygrape
C u t e !
I still can't believe that despite how dogshit the character creator is, some people are capable of making characters that don't look atrocious

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@haveahappyday
That's definitely true, even in a game about colossi they completely dwarf you. I think only Malus is comparable in size.
Admittedly, it's been a while.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@massdebater
That actually sounds really cool. Any hard numbers for that?

5mileys
5mileys

@Poker_Star

PS4 runs better but you can't play the OG version, it's Softs instead.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater
That's true, while Fume Knight certainly doesn't allow for the shield option at all. I admit I didn't think about that.

takes2long
takes2long

Any spots where I can have a decent chance of being summoned as a Blue Phantom in III?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@takes2long
You can be summoned anywhere in the world, at any time. Doesn't matter where you are.
The problem lies in your level and how summoning as a blue actually works.
I've heard low levels have slightly better luck getting summoned.
I don't know the specifics behind how the game chooses which blues to summon, but I do know that some people have no trouble getting summoned and other people will never get summoned, ever. I've heard people say it's tied to account age, but I have no idea if that's true or not.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Methnerd
My personal list that kicks my ass is
Dancer
Ocerios
Pontiff Sully
Artorias
Dragonslayer Armor

I suspect my problems stems from a deep rooted lack of patience. O+S is a close 6th but I think my NG+7 run got some discipline in my system.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methnerd
in no particular order
2cat
freide (i havent fought her enough to learn anything yet)
nameless king
pontiff
manus

Inmate
Inmate

@kizzmybutt
Is 30-40 low level enough? Or are we talking 20 and below? I also assume most people will have +3 weapon around SL 30.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@takes2long
depends on the day. I had the best luck on weekends as I just played the game.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Hey guys I just got a PS4 but all I have so far is Skyrim. Thinking about getting Dark Souls 3 or No Man's Sky. What do you recommend?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

outside iron golem some1 summon me pls (ps3)

hairygrape
hairygrape

@AwesomeTucker
Dancer
Only took me two tries with my main, who has this strength barbarian thing going on that wields a heavy Millwood Battle Axe +7 when i first encountered her

Ocerios
Havnt been to him yet, im in the garden now

Pontiff Sullyvahn
I have so much regret because i just ganked him. I feel like i missed out on one of the best boss fights in the game

Artorias
Kicked my ass. One of my proudest moments when i finally defeated him though

Dragonslayer Armor
Same thing with Dancer. I jest kept rolling and got hits in when i could. Worked out fine for me

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Playboyize
You'll be disappointed either way.

If you haven't played Dark Souls 1 or 2, get Bloodborne instead. Get Dark Souls 3 after playing 1, maybe 2 (SOTFS) also.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Playboyize
dark souls 2,3,fetusborne, and witcher3 is p good

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Playboyize
No Man's Sky

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Lord_Tryzalot
this

farquit
farquit

@Lord_Tryzalot
@Spamalot
@SniperGod
replying to obvious bait

Methshot
Methshot

@Inmate
You will probably still be ok at 30-40. After that is where there's less likely to be WoB users.
Even with that, though, the game may still end up never summoning you for whatever reason. It's how things are working at this point, unfortunately.

idontknow
idontknow

What's the best build for Demon's Greataxe for DaS1?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

guy gonna jump and try to plunge attack
he didn't jump remotely far enough out, won't even be close
just get smashed into the ground and lose half my life, the weapon came nowhere near making contact with me, watched it all happen

What the fuck is wrong with plunges in this game? I mean he was literally 3-4 body lengths away, and I still get hit by it.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Playboyize
Don't get no mans sky unless you dont mind mining then selling the mining then selling. I suggest bloodborne or ds3

girlDog
girlDog

@Fried_Sushi
I was the farthest out of my friends so I felt pretty cool

RumChicken
RumChicken

@PurpleCharger
I'm not sure, but they are indeed supremely fucked in 3, even moreso than the others.

Take a katana, jump off a 2 foot ledge, and plunge in into the ground 20 feet away from someone standing still and they'll still take the hit as long as you are locked on them.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PurpleCharger
bandits knife
jump off the fallen tower in arena
dude is literally like 2-3 body lengths away
plunge attack lands, and he was standing there watching because he thought there was no way it would come close

This has happened more times than I can count. Plunges are so fucking shit in this game, its hilarious.

Its like my bandits knife just turned into a fucking washing pole to reach this nigga.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Fried_Sushi
Time for pillaging!

happy_sad
happy_sad

invading in farron keep
been chasing host for a while now, he is clearly fucked
begins just running past every mob to the fog gate
hes got low health and probably out of estus, he'll be dead for sure if he tries to open that door and go through that fog
is invincible when opening the door so I can't backstab him
okay fine i expected that, he'd be retarded if he tries to go through the fog wall th-
rolls straight through the fog wall without doing any special animation
what the fuck game
explain this
at least he's most likely dead anyways, but still

idontknow
idontknow

tfw can't find host
couldn't find him after webm related

Spamalot
Spamalot

What happens if I pump over 40 for str or dex in a quality build?

Methshot
Methshot

@happy_sad
Abyss Watchers don't have a fog wall if you encounter them the first time. Same for Vordt, Wolnir, Dancer, Princes, and Lord of Cinder. I sure I missed some others though.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@happy_sad
I don't think there's a fog wall for the host the first time they enter the Abyss Watchers fight under any circumstances.
Phantoms (allied or not) will still see it, but it flat out doesn't exist for the host.
I think this is the case at Greatwood, too.

Supergrass
Supergrass

4v1 in lothric
They've got exploding DLC arrows
I'm level 10

yeah you sure showed me

girlDog
girlDog

@Methshot
@Flameblow
Man that is shit. How do you even counter something like that? He literally just ran past every single mob, like from the second bonfire to the third candle, then back through the back area with the basilisks, right around through the big door where he fought me for a little bit before deciding to run off again past the darkwraiths who aggro'd on him and everyone else. I was also just shy of catching up to him because of the fucking swamp and enemies in my way.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Supergrass
'Points Down'

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BunnyJinx
Bleed fucking sucks in DaS2. Even if you go for a full bleed build (Shadow Gauntlets, Crest of Blood, +10 bleed-infused), the bleed damage you deal just doesn't make up for the raw damage you lose. Bleed isn't even all that impressive either, it's just flat HP damage along with a temporary stamina debuff (which doesn't work in PVE).

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Supergrass
I've stopped bothering to invade in there or undead settlement as it's chocked filled with scaled down phantoms with crazy gear and hosts that are clearly cheating as they have tons more health and more estus flasks than the game would allow at that point, plus other consumable items they shouldn't even have access to yet

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@girlDog
If a host is just sprinting through the level, the only things you can really do are try to find a way to cut them off (easier in some places than others) or annoy them with something ranged and pray it causes them to get fucked by a mob or make some kind of mistake.
Just sprinting after them almost never allows for a hit, since rolling will slow them down far less than your attacking will slow you down.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CodeBuns
1
Unfortunately the path to the fog door was fairly straight and my only option was a greatbow which at the time I felt was far too slow to get positioned and ready in time to shoot him before he was completely untouchable, no matter what kind of damage I would do.

Emberfire
Emberfire

If we don't get a flail in DLC2 i'm going to PERSONALLY egg hackazakis house

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Emberfire
Even if they did add one in, it would be whip-tier bad

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Emberfire
Wouldn't it just be a whip but slower and with strike damage? Would it also have longer reach than a mace?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Fried_Sushi
/gif/thread/9913487#p9914894

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@lostmypassword
story time
invading in settlement, near hodrick
see host with a single phantom, whip out binoculars
see the scaled down sign and items appearing on the ground
open up ce and make myself invisible
run behind them and make myself visible again
kill the phantom with a hornet greatax bs
grab everything i can (a couple +2 rings, twinswords, and yurias robes)
give myself a stack of dung pies, drop them around the host then bc out
get 2 friend requests a few minutes later

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Deadlyinx
i refuse to believe you weren't instantly softbanned for that

Playboyize
Playboyize

@hairygrape
No, the physics are different. Mechanically yes but with more damage and maybe some HA
It better have.
I'm really disappointed none of the whips has a disarm

Emberburn
Emberburn

Pontiff on Xbone

Just looking at him drops frames on my console.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@w8t4u
you can do a bunch of dumb shit and not get banned

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Emberburn
Console
I've maxed my settings and added shaders on top

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Harmless_Venom
splooge on your enemies
demoralize them with sticky white goodness

Skullbone
Skullbone

@w8t4u
They ban you for relatively harmless shit like spawning in slabs, but can't do fuckall about something like invisibility or godmode

massdebater
massdebater

@Harmless_Venom
Kek. Got more? Post more

TechHater
TechHater

@Dreamworx
tfw initially played on a toaster pc because hey das2 sotfs ran 60fps on it max settings so I should be able to at LEAST run this 30fps on minimum
no
pontiff was silky smooth 15fps whenever I looked at him
entire dragonslayer armor fight was 10fps
dragonslayer armor was the hardest fight in the game for me at the time, it was fucking horrible
I legit thought pontiff was impossible after failing miserably on my first attempt, then I killed him on my second right after
@Skullbone
client side health was a mistake

askme
askme

post yfw

make it to blighttown first time ever
fall halfway through it missing 10+ items

not even mad fuck that place and 30fps

WebTool
WebTool

@massdebater
no
xsplit started not saving my recordings a while ago, so most of the shit i was going to convert is gone
have a recording someone else made of me being a fat bastard as recompense

idontknow
idontknow

@askme
Just use the shortcut from firelink shrine next time

whereismyname
whereismyname

@idontknow
pretty noobie to ds1ptd. just making my way downtown

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Carnalpleasure
DeS not coming to PS4
PS4 gets never ever'd by sony

Is this cruel irony

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
Well, for reference, you can go downstairs in firelink shrine, take the elevator and when you reach new londo go right into another tower where you'll find a door you can unlock if you chose the master key as your starting gift. That doot unlocks a passage through valley of the drakes into the upper levels of blighttown.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@farquit
yah nowhere near that lv yet. im having a tough ass time with this game, way harder than ds2 or ds3.

downstairs at firelink u mean through the catacombs ? havent ventured that way

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
No, there's a set of stairs that go down right next to the bonfire and if you follow them you'll find a platform that'll take you to new londo ruins

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@SniperGod
huh, ill check it out. what lv should i be at ?

King_Martha
King_Martha

holy shit just got raped by this guy using some flaming fists attack, what weapon is that?

Techpill
Techpill

@Stark_Naked
Well, you won't be venturing into new londo yet so I think 40-50 is fine for blighttown iirc

DeathDog
DeathDog

@King_Martha
demon fists

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@DeathDog
whats with the demon fists anyway
i posted my build using them a few days ago and both the responses i got were that it was bad
i stuck with it and got to archives where i found out its entire wa is parriable thanks to to mage cunt that drops the crystal staff
whats with all the posts about it recently

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Techpill
coolio. could you give me a reference i could follow? im at lv 36 right now but i feel really weak, using claymore+2

just feel underpowered as hell compared to ds2/ds3

the last boss i killed was the dragon in the depths. thanks yo

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@DeathDog
oh i skipped smouldering lake

Booteefool
Booteefool

Is there any boss in any of these games that somehow goes from easy in NG to a challenge in NG+?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@GoogleCat
That claymore can carry though the entire game easily so don't be afraid to upgrade it. If you're already at blighttown you can go back to firelink shrine through a set of elevators to the right of the bonfire. A lot of people at that SL farm souls at darkroot forest if you bought artorias' crest. Be mindful that you might be invaded if you're human as it's a PVP hotspot.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Booteefool
Lost Sinner I guess

Evilember
Evilember

@GoogleCat
your weapon should be +4/+5, farm the balder knights in parish for shards or buy them from andre
if you havent gotten the large ember in the depths go back up and get it
once you get to the swamp in blighttown you can farm the leeches for large shards to get your weapon even stronger, you need 9 shards to go from +5 to +10
the leeches drop green shards too so you can make your claymore elemental if you want

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Techpill
40-50
blighttown
Top casual
@GoogleCat
Weapons in ds1 go up to +15 and you should really make it a point to upgrade as much as you can whenever you can. I usually enter blighttown with a +6. Also, once you reach the bottom, you should go human after touching the bonfire. Get some free humanities and a f*n str weapon

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Post your favorite side Character

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Gigastrength
@Evilember
@Ignoramus
cool thanks for the replies guys. really enjoying DSIPTD, moreso than my first playthroughs of 2 and 3. fuck its tough tho

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Need_TLC
he died like a bitch tho

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Flameblow
kys

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Gigastrength
and yeah i used claymore through ds2 til ultra greatsword, same as ds3 lol. beautiful swords

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Would putting dark damage on my partizan be a stupid idea? I'm only at cathedral atm.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Lord_Tryzalot
at least siegward kills yhorm, a fucking lord of cinder

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Need_TLC
I feel so fucking bad about killing him just for his armor that I'm never going to wear

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I played through all the games but not a single DLC. Am I missing out?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Spazyfool
Yes, some of the most memorable bossfights in the series are mostly all in the DLC for each game

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Emberburn
Fuck I have to dig up my old xbox now

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

post high scores

i don't even know what happened that let me kill this guy, he was lagging like a motherfucker and using sorcery on top of that

DeathDog
DeathDog

Does this at least look passable or should I head over to old rosy for a makeover?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Deadlyinx
Dark souls isn't hard, it's punishing. The game always gives you the tools you need to overcome something before you face it. Almost all of your deaths are because you fucked up, except for the rare engine issue (less rare if you use dsfix to completely uncap the framerare) and one particular forced death. In case you haven't already, download dsfix, dsmfix if you want to use a mouse, dscm and PvP watchdog. Links in the pastebin.
Lastly, Google "dark souls beginner tips" and get the fuck out of here until you beat the final boss. When you do, come back and ask whatever you want.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Poker_Star
@Poker_Star
No one uses dark damage?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@DeathDog
Jesus christ what are you even attempting with these stats, just a buffed straightsword?

darkmoon bow

You're already a sorcerer, why? What's the point? Simple infusion is also completely worthless. Trust me, I've tried to give my mage 2 simple rapiers and the regen was still such trash that I could only cast one flashsword every 15 seconds. You also need 5-10 more INT if you want spells to do any significant damage, especially at 120 where everybody is a fucking super saiyan with endless stamina.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Carnalpleasure
I have a tryhard sorcerer already. I wanted a swag sorcerer with gold stuff.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Garbage Can Lid

I don't think it's possible to get higher than this as an invader.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberburn
stop being an elitest fag, literally hang yourself

girlDog
girlDog

@Poker_Star
@Spamalot
I am going to assume das2, and if so, put dark damage infusion on it if you're going with a dark build otherwise just use Dark Resin.

If das3 no idea.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@whereismyname
what part of that is elitist, you mong?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@whereismyname
using literally meaningless words like "elitist"
fuck off, plebbitor

farquit
farquit

@Garbage Can Lid
@BinaryMan
Nice try faglords

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@girlDog
Why would you assume das2? Das3 is the newest one and I do mean that one.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

OK so if I wanted to invade over and over in DS2, the only reliable way to do that would be to join the brotherhood of blood covenant and farm red eye orbs by winning duels correct?

Techpill
Techpill

@Fried_Sushi
Because no one uses dark builds on das3

Flameblow
Flameblow

@farquit

That's not even possible... What do you think his SL was?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Gigastrength
Yup.

Have fun with chinese on vpns all over the arena now.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Techpill
That's what I was asking; if dark was viable in das3. Apparently not. I want to stick fire on my partizan but I wasted the one fire gem I currently have access to on a shitty halberd I'm never touching again. Those workers in the undead settlement drop them? How insanely rare are they? I'm only at cathedral so I can't get lightning on my weapon anytime soon.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Flameblow
He probably used CE to set his SL to 1,000 or something instead of just putting his stats at 99 across the board.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Make new character for Demon's Greataxe
Rush forest and join cat
Rush to blighttown via drake valley
Accidentally slip and press R1 and aggrod shiva as I died
Go back to wellwhatisitman to absolve sins
Don't know how to get down to swamp safely via that path so I take a detour through depths
Finally make it to swamp after multiple deaths
Realize Shiva isn't even fucking there
Now I need to go back to the forest and talk to him again
Then I need to go back to the fucking swamp because no lordvessel

fuck FUCK

FUCKKKKKKKKKKK

5mileys
5mileys

@Ignoramus
@Garbage Can Lid
GET OFF MY PRIVATE FORUM GENERAL UNTIL YOU BEAT THE LAST BOSS ECKS DE

Flameblow
Flameblow

Anyone else think the Sandworm should've been an actual boss?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@5mileys
Going into the game blind results in a much better experience compared to getting your hand held through it all.

Methshot
Methshot

@LuckyDusty
I mean if you go deep infusion as a crutch for now its probably not horrible, but if i had to wager, none scaling infusions are shit on spears.

Now that I reflect on it, I think maybe dark builds arent used in Das 3 because it requires too much that investment, which wasnt a problem in 2.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@5mileys
are you retarded? do you want him to get spoiled? the point is to experience the world on your own. how autistic are you?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@5mileys
Fuck off from my private property (this thread) or you will get shot. this is the final warning

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Flameblow
No, then I wouldn't be able to hide behind a rock and spam arrows like a pleb.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Methshot
What should I be putting on here? Lightning?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Garbage Can Lid
killing it yourself
not just letting the giant avelyn kill it for you

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@w8t4u
Whatever your highest stat helps it i guess.

Or no infusion, you really dont need that much damage on your ng run.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Thoughts on this build I'm close to completing?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Harmless_Venom
IT'S TREASON THEN

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@LuckyDusty
SL 120
1k hp unembered
25 fucking end
LIGHTNING CLUTCH

I swear to god I've never seen a unique 120 build that was even remotely viable.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

What just happened?

first playthrough of Das3
Road of Sacrifices swamp
suddenly a phantom called "host of embers", looks like a regular player
didn't see any invasion message (but was tabbed out checking the wiki so might have missed it)
two blue sentinels show up
we kill the giant crabs and Crystal Sage
afterwards it says something like "dark spirit was sent back to its world"

So I did some research and apparently there is the untrue dark ring that lets you appear like a regular player when you invade and I'm in the way of the blue covenant so it makes sense blue phantoms showed up. But why was the invader apparently friendly? Or was he just playing it cool when the blue phantoms came hoping they didn't know about the ring either?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@LuckyDusty
@TalkBomber
Forgot to add
divine pillars of pleasebackstabme
sacred fucking oath
The simple caestus really completes the picture.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Poker_Star

There's a glitch that allows you to do invsions like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZ7zPPbiOA

askme
askme

@LuckyDusty
knight would save you 3 points
SO and DPoL suck unless you want them just to look cool. i'd recommend getting DMB (or LB if you're strictly lightning) or just remove those 3 att slots completely and get more hp
get faith to 60 or 40 and replace clutch with morne's
lastly, DSS is a dex weapon, not fai

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@askme
Should I drops five levels from faith and an attunement slot for more dex or hp?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Need_TLC
here's what i'd suggest. not fully optimized but true to the heart of the build. dmb is better btw.
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/134494
that or ditch dss completely, keep raw ass or dsa at base stats, buff with lightning at 60 faith and maybe add a lightning storm

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Spazyfool
what changes occur progressively to rolls in BB?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

So Anri summons me to help with Aldrich, but can I summon anyone to help when I need to fight him?

likme
likme

Haven't played in a while, what's the current tryhard meta?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Anyone else ever experienced this bug with Dark Souls 3 where sometimes pressing A to advance an NPC conversation will make your character attack?

5mileys
5mileys

@StonedTime
sup, ribbit

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Poker_Star
first playthrough of Das3
but was tabbed out checking the wiki
KILL
YOURSELF
STOP RUINING THE GAME FOR YOURSELF

Lunatick
Lunatick

NEW MEMEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu3i__EwnQQ

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
Do people really read about the game as they're playing it? Are they that desperate to spoil it for themselves?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Lunatick
/r/catalog#s=abbit

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Lord_Tryzalot
What are they ruining for themselves? Where all the rewarding locations of souls and titanite shards in the asscracks of a trees are somewhere?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Did I miss out on much by playing DaS3 pretty much 100% offline?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Soft_member
it used to be the DS2 UGS 2handed sprinting attack. I really miss the launch

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@AwesomeTucker
Don't forget to do the DLC. How to is in the OP pastebin.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Flameblow
They are weak against sorcery.
Figured that out the other day thankfully

TechHater
TechHater

@DeathDog
Whats a weapon with magic damage thats easy to wield for this?

cum2soon
cum2soon

Have you been spreading Nito's love through Gravelording then invading to be alongside BP mobs recently /dsg/?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@cum2soon
I really wish gravelorded enemies showed up before NG+

happy_sad
happy_sad

FUCK
buy the dlc and figure il play pyro for a change since i havent done that in ds3
use my last respec for it and realise afterwards that ive got no decent weapons that can be used with 14 dex and 15 str
can any kind soul drop me an moonlight sword or an onyx blade so i can be of edge?
i dont want to start doing the dlc with only pyromancies

SniperWish
SniperWish

like scythes
Even with buff, the damage isn't that great

Anyone recommend a good build for a Scythe or spear that MAY go over 400 AR?

For SL 99

FastChef
FastChef

@cum2soon
Wait, how is that possible? Doesn't your gravelord sign, and with that BP enemies in other worlds, disappear when you invade?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@FastChef
Time flow is convoluted in Lordran
If you have a direct connection to the Gravelorded, you can make your way over to see your BPs in action via being summoned by them or invading them. You're not Gravelording in your own world, but you're in the world of the person whose under your Gravelord effect. Gravelording really wears off if you die, move to a new area, and go offline. You're still online and alive in the same area, so the curse doesn't really wear off. There's a sort of timer on this indirect Gravelording, like around 10-15 minutes. Once that timer runs out, the curse-I mean love is lifted, or if you're a really lucky one, you're perma-gravelorded.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

In DS3 is the bonus damage from resins/bundles and spell buffs a static number or based on your casting item's spell power and totally free from weapon speeds?

Also, is Dancer super hard? I've fought her as a phantom at least 20 times and maybe got her to phase 2 twice.

TreeEater
TreeEater

any tips for Oceiros?

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
Also, is Dancer super hard? I've fought her as a phantom at least 20 times and maybe got her to phase 2 twice.

Let me guess, your sign is at Vordt's door.
Dragoncrest shield simplifies that fight a lot during first phase, have that and the only thing to look for her reaching out and grabbing you.

Also her ass is really distracting.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Methshot
People who summon you to fight the Dancer, when you put your sign at Vordt's door are generally fucking horrible at the game. If they're trying to get to Lothric castle early, they're doing a shit job at it, if they have to resort to summoning phantoms from Vordt's door.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I haven't played since the DLC, is PVP fun now?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Garbage Can Lid
Dark Souls 3 pvp is designed solely around the idea that no one should have any fun playing it. Except maybe glitching moundmakers.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methshot
Let me guess, your sign is at Vordt's door.
Probably half of my attempts as a phantom were, yes. I like farming that little area and now that I'm 50-something I put the sign near Dancer as I don't think I can help near Vordt.

I got pretty good fire resist, but the shield is a good point. I do much better surviving than I did, but that grab is nasty and I don't always see it.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Reminder that DS2 will always have the best PvP

Not counting glitch invasions, that is.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
helmet and weapon do not even remotely fit

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@RumChicken
grab is nasty and I don't always see it.
She has an audio cue before she does that, pay attention to that, if you're admiring her ass when she does it, it's easier to notice than the animation, as from behind it's virtually indistinguishable from the backhand.

Also don't rely on the shield in second phase, not only does she deal magic damage aswell as fire damage, she also breaks trough shields easilly, so just keep distance to her when she's winding up to dance.

After that, it's up to the host not to die, if they do, it's not your fault.

askme
askme

@StrangeWizard
well, shit
see you when dlc 2 drops then

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TreeEater

Try Bleeding.

Inmate
Inmate

@Flameblow
I've bled on him enough already.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TreeEater
Try Lightning

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@LuckyDusty
Just saw the second stage well, yeah, blocking isn't so hot. Is the new sword Dark or Magic damage?

Is she weak to any particular attack type?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Boy_vs_Girl
DaS2's invasions are such a rare occurrence than when they do happen I think they're a glitch.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@ZeroReborn
she's weak to dark.

Dark Hand absolutely reks her.

Also her second sword is magic, damage, stupidly enough the tooltip on her swords says it's dark magic, but it's just straight up damage.

I used a bug pellet to take the edge off her second phase, and it worked really well, since I managed to beat her with 10 vigor.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@ZeroReborn
I really like Dorthy's Gnaw. Hit her 2 - 3 and the bleed procs. Hold your distance and watch out for those looooooooong sword attacks. Also goes for Sullyvan. Really triviallyzes the fight.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@kizzmybutt
I just find it stupid that people actually prefer backstab souls or unbalanced chugchug resummoning phantoms souls when it comes to PvP

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Evil_kitten
I find it stupid that people actually prefer OHKO GRS lag spam or unbalanced infinite buffs souls with glitches when it comes to PvP.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TreeEater
@Inmate
Try hitting it till its death

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evil_kitten
none of these games have good PVP.

PVP is solely there as another mechanic to make you wary of your surroundings and die, it's not about being balanced combat, or a test of skill, it's not, it really can't even be.

Arena pvp and red soapstone are just token additions to give the air of some balance or skill based contest, but the problem is, the weapons and skills are really difficult to balance and pointless to balance for a game that is basically an RPG with a gimmick.

In DS3, the problem is that the invasions are stupidly skewed in host's advantage, when it should be the other way around, because the point is to ruin the day for someone who is just trying to advance in the game. That is the only point.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Evil_kitten
I would rather drink piss than play dark souls 2.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@VisualMaster
balanced combat
test of skill
ruin someone's day
I don't care about any of these stupid things. PVP is about fun.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Booteefool
What do you find fun in Dark Souls pvp?

Getting fucked by invaders, getting fucked by hosts, the whole point is to be the one doing the fucking, but the game isn't balanced towards that.

So, the chances of you doing the fucking isn't fairly balanced, it's unfun for hosts with a fuckton of phantoms, it's unfun for invader who has to deal with all the phantoms, and in a lot of cases renewing supply of phantoms.

Sure, beating the odds is fun, but it doesn't happen often. Because the game is balanced first and foremost around pvp being done to fuck with pve and secondly around weapons and skills.

Inmate
Inmate

Is he 'our guy'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMTpJRXtwt8

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Inmate
start vid
screeching
/fit/ dsp
close

Booteefool
Booteefool

Wait, doesn't droprolling do anything in DS3?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Inmate
No. He's an autistic screeching goomba and by far the shittiest of the already shitty streamers.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TreeEater
He's weak to attacks.

askme
askme

Are we in the Golden Age yet?

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
What do you find fun in Dark Souls pvp?
The mechanics of the game are intrinsically fun to play against other humans with?

Durr balance balance balance. It's like a fucking mantra with you people.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Techpill
How about you clarify what you like about mechanics?

You just say it's fun fun fun, but you never actually explain why you find it fun.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Poker_Star
I like the part where I press a button and it makes my character go into an animation where he swings his weapon at my opponent in an attempt to hit him and do damage. I enjoy attempting to hit him many times over and over again while he tries to do the same and we press the dodge button to roll away from eachothers attacks.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Poker_Star
Not him, but I enjoy the very high amount of freedom in it. In other games where you pvp you're usually thrown into an arena or something, but in these souls games you can do whatever. You can try to fight, then run away and be a faggot when you start losing. You can hide in the level and throw actual shit at people. You can pretend to help people then betray them.
There's also things like ganks, gank spanking, and DS3 especially has a lot of skirmish situations where you're essentially 3v3 just fighting wildly, that shit is pretty fun.

For the same reasons I enjoy PvP in games like WoW, world pvp that is, even though the mechanics are kind of trash for it. Not to say Souls combat mechanics are as trash as WoW, but they're not perfect for PvP either.

You're a huge fucking autist for asking people to explain why they find something fun, you know that? If it didn't have some sort of appeal, there wouldn't be this many people doing it.

farquit
farquit

I hate begging and this is my first time doing it but i have no other chance...can someone please gift or lend me Crow Quills weapon? (on PC)(Its found in DLC thats why i cant have it)

SniperWish
SniperWish

@farquit
Can you even use the DLC weapon without the DLC?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SniperWish
Yes

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@RavySnake
So you enjoy being another obstacle to people who're just playing the game. It's literally all you are. Except because of balancing the mechanics, in DS3, you're not the hunter, you're the prey.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Get a job

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Nude_Bikergirl
Yes, I do enjoy that.

What's your point?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Blackflame Freide literally cannot be beaten.

Flameblow
Flameblow

What are some good weapons for a pyro build in DS3? Raw ASS is boring

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@eGremlin
Nothing, you're not pretending the pvp in this game is anything but what it is.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@farquit
I can get one for ya quick, put a red sign at high wall with the password quill

Evilember
Evilember

@BunnyJinx
Seems legit.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TurtleCat
Well I mean, that's just what I enjoy. Other people get their rocks off queuing up for the arena 24/7 and fighting people in meaningless 1v1 matches that are the same shit each time

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

What's the best dex weapon in DS3?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TurtleCat
stop enjoying things!

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Evilember
i'm already there and ready to drop it desu

5mileys
5mileys

@farquit
Can't, at work right now. I would love to get rid of that trash, tho.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Sharpcharm
No no, that's what the invaders should be doing.
Making people stop enjoying things.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TurtleCat
nobody was pretending anything, shit for brains.

we've all heard this spiel a thousand times "souls PVP isn't BALANCED" "it's not TRULY SKILL BASED" yeah great, whatever.

the only people who ever discuss souls PVP in those terms are people who are complaining about it.

massdebater
massdebater

@Gigastrength
Fume Ultra Greatsword

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@farquit

he plays a game he enjoys
he goes to threads dedicated to discussing that game to talk about it
but somehow he doesn't have €12,50 for a decent DLC that has items that he wants

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Methnerd
waaaahhhh invaders!
Didn't know this general was full of whiny casuals, good thing I don't frequent it.

And for the record yes I loved bottomless box twink invasions in the Burg, most fun I've had in DS :^)

King_Martha
King_Martha

@SomethingNew
kys tard

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@SomethingNew
And for the record yes I loved bottomless box twink invasions in the Burg, most fun I've had in DS :^)
all burg twinks did was make people never want to go human form, so good job directly reducing the invadable player count I guess.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Fuzzy_Logic
Also reducing the number of casuals using summons. Mission accomplished.

massdebater
massdebater

@SomethingNew
You fucking idiot, I've been saying from the goddamn start that Invaders need to have the upper hand in DS3.

The whole point of invasions is to add another layer of challenge in the game, but nope, it's imbalanced in host's favour. Which in turn trivializes the one thing that sets Dark Souls apart from other RPGs.

Which is why balance is important, not weapon or build balance, but balance in the core goddamn mechanics of the game.

Or do you think the system in DS3 is properly balanced, with the ability to summon fucktons of phantoms and having an entire covenant of bodyguards just plopping out.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BunnyJinx
Ahh im sorry a friend sent some messages to me so i kinda forgot. Are you still there?

@Fried_Sushi

Its more expensive on my country + i dont have any money left for some time

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Guys is AoA really that short? It's almost a cold Undead Settlement.

5mileys
5mileys

@Flameblow
O N Y X B L A D E

Snarelure
Snarelure

@PurpleCharger
I'm still there
just had to run and grab it through the DLC
make sure quill is all lowercase

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@5mileys
need to spend points on int

no thanks

JunkTop
JunkTop

What build do i use pontiff curved sword on? Dex or quality?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BunnyJinx
pyro build
no points in int
Ummm?!?!?!?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BunnyJinx
Pyromancer without int?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BunnyJinx
not leveling int
pyro build
? ? ?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BunnyJinx
fuck off, tard

girlDog
girlDog

@JunkTop
Quality

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Snarelure

THANK YOU!

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spazyfool
It's longer than AotA actually.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
np bro
have fun with those quills

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

So what's the general concensus here? /v/ is trash and hates all the Souls games, personally 2 was my favorite, then 3. I started on 1.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Sharpcharm
Fuck off.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@massdebater
The whole point of invasions is to add another layer of challenge in the game, but nope, it's imbalanced in host's favour. Which in turn trivializes the one thing that sets Dark Souls apart from other RPGs.

No, the point of a fucking invader is that it deters people from summoning all of the time and encourages only going human when necessary for a very hard boss fight. The system accomplishes that. You LITERALLY want it to be possible for a fucking invader who is STRONGER THAN YOU AND HAS THE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU to come into your game and randomly fucking kill you? That's fucking retarded.

Invaders already have myriad advantages:
*choosing the area to invade, therefore knowing the area much better than the host, especially if he hasn't been through it before

*having a build specifically set up for PvP whereas everyone you are invading has a PvE build

*having equipment upgraded to a higher level than the invaded target's equipment

*being able to go through NG++ and have higher tier rings and 15 estus flasks at +10

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

An invasion isn't just successful if you go and kill the host outright. A successful invasion is any invasion where you manage to annoy the host and burn down his estus reserves so that the boss fight is more challenging. Think of yourself as the area's most challenging enemy. You can't expect to win a 1v2 but if you take away 5 estus from the host or manage to kill the phantom, you've done your job.

Like why do you want Reds to jump into a world and instantly kill every host with all their super advantages? You realize that's not fucking balanced either, don't you?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sharpcharm
the general concencus is ds2 is shit in every single way because it's a meme to hate it
but each have things that each stand out better than the other games

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

build PvE character
Never intended to use DS's PvP because it's my least favorite part of the game
Get invaded
Invader has a build specifically for PvP
Can't compete with it because my loadout isn't compatible with the PvP meta and is more meant to take out multiple enemies when I'm surounded
Loose all my souls, 30% of my health, and my progress

Yea, I think invasions should be stacked in the Host's favor

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Fried_Sushi
No, the point of a fucking invader is that it deters people from summoning all of the time and encourages only going human when necessary for a very hard boss fight. The system accomplishes that. You LITERALLY want it to be possible for a fucking invader who is STRONGER THAN YOU AND HAS THE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU to come into your game and randomly fucking kill you? That's fucking retarded.

Instead now, shitty hosts run around with a group of phantom buttbuddies watching his ass.

So yeah, mission not successful.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@New_Cliche
Devil Hitler and Gay Retard. Unstoppable combo right here.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@JunkTop
don't discuss DS in the DS General, memes and waifuposting only
People like you are why generals die

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

We should get Chalice Dungeons for the next dlc, those are neat.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Illusionz
what valid discussion does telling people /v/ hates souls games and then listing what your favorite ones are?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Sharpcharm
I like all of them

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I just killed this guy in the wolnir fight, I don't understand what he is saying

FastChef
FastChef

@Sharpcharm
~God tier~
Dark Souls
Bloodborne
Demon's Souls

~Amazing tier~
Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 3

Flameblow
Flameblow

So do you HAVE to use miracles to do the invasion glitch? can you do it with sorceries or pyromancies?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@New_Cliche
Asking what Souls games the fucking Souls general likes? Since bringing it up on /v/ just gets you "lol fucking Soulsfag babby's first rpg >muh ebin difficulty prepare to die"

Illusionz
Illusionz

@King_Martha
Why the fuck bring up what /v/ says on Veeky Forums it's not relevant.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Illusionz
Why make a big deal about nothing?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@whereismyname
That's only some hosts though
I personally don't run around embered though, so I've only been invaded once
So I'm sure you do get the players that are embered, because they probably embered specifically to get a sunbro's help or to lure in invaders to gank them

Inmate
Inmate

lmao fags go play some real rpg like witcher 3

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Inmate
(You)

whereismyname
whereismyname

have to kill Selen to acquire the Dull Gold set

Methnerd
Methnerd

@whereismyname
who

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Flameblow
seems to work with Fire Surge at least

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Poker_Star
It shows you aren't after discussing the games

Methshot
Methshot

@Methnerd
I will shank you

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot
seriously literally who

Firespawn
Firespawn

If the next DLC isn't good.... oh wait there are other things I'm still interested in.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Need_TLC
I stomped some guy in arena the other day and he invited me to "git gud casul". I don't think some people are capable of using their brains.

massdebater
massdebater

@Ignoramus
You've never heard of Selen Vinland? Never wielded Blind? Never fought her brother? You're missing out.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@massdebater
I doubt i'm missing out on playing a shit game lmao

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CodeBuns
reeeeeeeee how dare you

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Can somebody explain to me what just happened in the road of sacrifices?
I just went through it normally and the butcher knife was just lying there. I did not fight the girl and I do not recall getting souls for her death either.

MPmaster
MPmaster

How do I make a cute waifu in Dark Souls 2?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CodeBuns
She died somehow
her drop defaulted to her spawn point

StonedTime
StonedTime

@CodeBuns

haha lol

w8t4u
w8t4u

concept art for DS3 dlc, allegedly

Skullbone
Skullbone

@w8t4u
all of those are dated back to august
but i will be happy as fuck if we're really going there

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Skullbone
just found out about them, looks neat as fuck

Evilember
Evilember

@Stupidasole
if we're really going to londor then those arts fit REALLY well to what we can expect from a gothic city based around a dark church

TreeEater
TreeEater

@whereismyname
no you don't

you can find her entire set on a slug

a single slug ate her, how pathetic

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Playboyize
I wonder if this is a "Deep" guy, can't think of any other heavy water theme.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Evilember
I hope we don't get Londor or anything else that has been mentioned in the game. I want something completely brand new to tie up the Dark souls series.

askme
askme

@Raving_Cute
I'd rather they tie up loose ends myself. Some great revelation to tie stuff up.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Raving_Cute
But Lord of Cinder tied it up, there's nothing left there.
The only important piece of lore and dare I say it, plot, that needs to be addressed are the Serpents, nothing else matters.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Raving_Cute
Everything that is really left is Angels and Dark Soul itself and Londor can tie both of them at once.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Burnblaze
@askme
muh lore
I want a new story. Tie up was the wrong word, I want the last taste of the series to be something new. Muh serpents or muh londor or muh velka or whatever lorefags want isn't the best way to go.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Burnblaze
plot, that needs to be addressed are the Serpents

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Evil_kitten
Better to be left a mystery.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@askme
From Soft ever explaining something fully

Have you not been around for the last 15 years?

You will never get an explanation, that's the point. Literally every game they make has an ambiguous ending / lore on purpose.

Techpill
Techpill

Watchdogs are honorless cowards.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Lunatick
You'll get that with the next "spiritual sequel" like Dark Souls or Bloodborne was. But in the meantime, the whole Kaathe and Frampt thing REALLY needs some closure considering how they were playing both sides from the beginning.

w8t4u
w8t4u

I only own DS1. Is it still worth leveling a char to 100 to try and get into the PvP?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@w8t4u
which platform

takes2long
takes2long

@w8t4u
are you the kind of a player who is ready to actually improve your play or just cry and bitch about people using effective tactics against you

askme
askme

Do axes just not have any hyperarmor? Losing poise trades with people in artorias armor using greatswords when I have ~32 poise

massdebater
massdebater

@Burnblaze
No, their score was settled. They propagate the cycle and don't allow a third choice.

I would prefer a DLC with more questions than answers.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@w8t4u
The most fun PvP is probably around SL 55 or SL80, but if your'e going to level up past that, go to SL125.

Get PvP Watchdog and Dark Souls Connectivity Mod, and yes, it will be worth it. Without those mods? No.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@askme

WA and WA R2 have HA.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys
quills
trash

With 40 dex they have as much AR as a twohanded 40/40 estoc, alongside a bigger crit modifier and a better moveset putting aside the fact that estoc has more reach. They're one of the best weapons in the game. Arguably the best for mid level invasions.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SniperWish
PC
@BlogWobbles
Already got the mods. I'll try some different SLs.
I take it 55 is for invading AL folks who wanna summon Solaire, 80 is for any of the lategame areas?

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
I'm not using an axe with warcry if that's what you mean

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Illusionz
Arguably the best for mid level invasions.
They are good but for midlevel invasions millwood axe is even better. Chasing people down, dealing with multiple opponents at once, absolutely raping them in 3 swings, seriously, that thing is even more of a monster.

5mileys
5mileys

Holy shit, whats with the difficulty spike when you reach Irithyll of the Boreal Valley?
Everything was piss easy untill here

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Carnalpleasure
55 for invading AL, Sen's, etc.

80 for anything post-anor londo, or if you're doing high level cat covenant.

125 is mostly the township or invading cat covenant.

Beyond 135 is just darkmoon.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@askme
Axes are in a weird spot right now. They are slower than swords and lack the hyperarmor of hammers.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Booteefool
55 for invading AL, Sen's, etc.
too high for both
sen's is 35-40
al is 40-50

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@WebTool

What are you using?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@BunnyJinx
Eleanor

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@CouchChiller
Poor child. Please stop hurting yourself.

RumChicken
RumChicken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmpweHdeAc

this track that rivals DS3 and BB in quality is just hidden somewhere in DS2

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Burnblaze
closure
no explanation they give will be satisfying

people who engage with the lore of these games as if it's some expansive unfolding chronicle and not just mood-enhancing flavor are really clueless.

Inmate
Inmate

@w8t4u
Ds1 pvp has depth but no width to it. You need to make good reads on your opponent, but you're really only making them on one front, backstabs, which makes the pvp go stale quicker than it would in more competitive games. The amount of practice vs the amount of enjoyment you'll get is a sketchy tradeoff. Don't get into the pvp unless you ALSO like running through the game and memeing around, otherwise it won't seem like enough. Had I just been handed an ideal DS1 pvp build from square one the way you just start off with characters in most pvp-only games, and done only pvp, I'dve dropped DS1 like a brick because it just can't compare when you measure it by those characteristics exclusively. So if you're asking "is this a fighting game?" the answer is no. I consider pvp to be the real endgame as far as longevity goes, but I still wouldn't treat it like I would an actual pvp game.

Methshot
Methshot

@CouchChiller

Is that the one with the bell? A fully charged R2 might have HA (the butcher knife has this) but don't quote me on this one.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TurtleCat
Why? It goes well with my Earthseeker that I use in the other slot

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Stupidasole
I can't wait until this DLC explains literally nothing and they all realize they wasted their lives.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TreeEater
no damage
slower than other axes
no hyperarmor
useless WA

5mileys
5mileys

@Methshot
Yeah I mean most fully charges R2 attacks have good hyper armor, the problem is that you can't trade with fully charged R2 attacks unless the other guy is a retard and literally walks into it

Evilember
Evilember

@w8t4u
Faraam set

Techpill
Techpill

@Lord_Tryzalot
It seems to do damage, I've definitely hit people with it before and it did do damage

The WA also isn't useless, it makes a nice sound and is stylish

Source on it being slower than other axes and having no hyperarmor as opposed to other axes?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@RumChicken

Where do you hear that? Here's my favourite from DaS2 and most people will never hear all of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaYBPlHiu8

Emberburn
Emberburn

@StonedTime
both of these are from credits i think

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Nude_Bikergirl
I haven't any experience with millwood, but as far as "axes that hit like a fucking truck" go I've used raw dsa with lightning resin so I think I get the gist of it. Unless i'm under-rating the reach, you can space it with straightsword R2 pokes. Even while twinking, if I see a good antitwink with raw ass, I switch off my axe and use raw astora for the moveset in spite of the fact that I'm doing like double damage with the axe.

The axe does have the advantage of a twohander bonus since it's pure str, meaning you can invest even less, but twohanding means you're putting your parry tool on your back, and even if you are running a minimalist 26 str build, you're just getting closer and loser to raw ass range. I've used the butcher knife (which is trash compared to the mill, this was pre-dlc) and dsa with friends, the guy with the SS always has an easier time even if he can't win trades.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
Entire DS2 ost is a rush job and this boring track is not an exception. I'm amazed that it was done by the same people who did osts in later souls games. Maybe a lack of theme and direction is at fault, dunno.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Evilember
Faraam is a badass set, completely wasted in DS2 with no proper npc with it, one of many shitty mistakes in that game.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@w8t4u
faraam with straightsword
it's my twink, holy shit

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Have I missed out on meeting Carhillion in DS2? I've already made it to Lost Bastille.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@MPmaster
Entire DS2 ost is a rush job and this boring track is not an exception

didn't listen to any dlc tracks

I'm amazed that it was done by the same people who did osts in later souls games.

it wasn't

you're bad

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Emberburn

Isn't "Longing" the credits song? Queen of Drangleic is heard during the Nashandra fight but it will quickly fade to another one.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Flameblow
you can space it with straightsword R2 pokes
good luck spacing that shit because will literally be in your face 90% of the time and there's nothing you can do to stop it

Inmate
Inmate

do arena
load in, buff
other guy throws fire bombs at me with hilariously bad aim, doesn't hit me
demonstratively drink estus without even trying to dodge
keeps missing
bow at him
he keeps missing
hit him with my greataxe while he tries to spam farron greatsword spin attacks, do this until he's at 20%
he unequips all his gear and gets ready to let the match time out by running through the arena
throw two firebombs at him and he's dead
That was the single most pathetic fight I've ever had in the arena. Are these people mentally impaired or something?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BunnyJinx
Search the docks at No Man's Wharf more carefully.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Techpill
I can do more damage with heavy millwood battle axe with only 30str than you will do with Eleanora with 40/40 quality build.
Axes don't have hyperamor, period. The only thing with poise health is warcry which gives 30 of it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@massdebater
You got that with Aoa

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Fuzzy_Logic
didn't listen to any dlc tracks
I did and it's the same shit. Especially Fume's theme, that thing is abhorrently bad.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Inmate
great blog, really awesome stuff user, where can I subscribe to see more of your work

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Sharpcharm
good luck trying to backpedal in dark souls 3
come on user

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TurtleCat
@Firespawn
@Evilember
Faraam with a straight sword is the default sock DS2 character that they have been using for size comparison when doing concept art since DS2's dev cycle. Oscar was the same for DS1

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat
my nigga, you got taste

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SomethingNew
backpedalling is one of the easiest ways to get fucked by millwood

Techpill
Techpill

@Sharpcharm
he's two handing a straight sword and his name is geralt. so you killed a noob. axes suck.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Stupidasole
faggot, how is this bad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4WAbp6sXPU
dat intro

what is better then?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Techpill
he's two handing a straight sword
check your fucking eyes before replying to someone's post

Booteefool
Booteefool

@lostmypassword
The docks, cheers m8

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Flameblow
there are people who never fought Burnt Ivory King
Sad!

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Sharpcharm
can't you just L2R2 with an SS clean through the flinch aoe from the millwood charge for counterhit damage?

likme
likme

@Flameblow
It is absolutely the same shit that lacks direction and theme as virtually all DS2 tracks with the exception of maybe Vendrick's room theme.
what is better then?
Listen the ToH ost and you will never look back at DS2 ost ever again.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Damn, this is pretty stylish.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf5Ymjn3z4w

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TurtleCat
I dunno if you realize this but if I was looking for the highest amount of damage I could do, I wouldn't be using the Eleonora

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Stark_Naked
the post said straightsword and I haven't played das3 in a while.

still, that geralt obviously didn't know what he was doing.

girlDog
girlDog

@Playboyize
go back to twitter, donald

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Are Warden Twinblades any __fun__? For some absurd reason I managed to get a pair off of the first Grave Warden I killed at Cathedral.

takes2long
takes2long

@SniperGod
nice wrist
DDDDRILLLLLLL

Snarelure
Snarelure

@likme
i think you're just wrong dude like objectively so ok and i couldn't google search your shit so whatever

5mileys
5mileys

@TurtleCat
Neat track, first time fighting him I actually thought ds2 was pulling some bullshit difficulty and making you fight an invisible boss.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Does regular titanite upgrade the sorceror's catalyat magic damage? Any point upgrading or should I wait for Faintstone?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@haveahappyday
great for speedkilling bosses

arguably inferior to 2kat/sellsword TB for pvp/invasions

not super fun unless you like mashing buttons and seeing boss healthbars drain absurdly fast

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Flameblow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8

now imagine you're swordfighting a horse

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Spamalot
Don't worry, one day you'll be able to free aim and hit firebombs too

Firespawn
Firespawn

@LuckyDusty
This will only win you initial trade but will bring axe user right in your face. And he has like 100 AR more on that thing than any of your longswords and usually more flat defence/hp too.

farquit
farquit

@Bidwell
It's not really a fair comparison, Sony dished out top dollar for several composers and a real orchestra.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Bidwell
comparing with same developer
BB/old hunters is 100% real orchestral

please

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Bidwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV7JPSJR06A
When people will start posting actual soundtrack cd rips instead of this shit
@farquit
I can post virtually any DS3 boss theme and it will still fucking win compared to the entirety of DS2 ost.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@hairygrape
Yes it will increase damage and you can do both, so there's literally no reason not to upgrade it fully.

Each titanite upgrade will do ~10% more damage. Faintstone will add ~10-15% more damage plus more scaling.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@viagrandad
I can post virtually any DS3 boss theme and it will still fucking win compared to the entirety of DS2 ost.

no

girlDog
girlDog

@JunkTop
this is way too good to be a fair comparison, please list something shittier so ds2 looks a little better in comparison

WebTool
WebTool

people who gesture after getting hit by 2 greathammer r1 attacks like they mean to say "oh no, I fucked up, how could I get hit by such a slow weapon?"
wonder how he felt when he immediately ate another combo and died because he's a complete retard trying to trade with a morne GH

Why is it that people treat greathammers like a joke weapon in this game?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@New_Cliche
Yes.
Just compare the themes of Dragonrider and Vord and you will already see the enormous difference in OST quality of DS2/3.

Inmate
Inmate

@takes2long
Never question Miyazaki's best men.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Firespawn
initial trade
It's not really a trade since you hit him before he R1s.

but will bring axe user right in your face
To do what? R1? I'll just roll backwards once he does. Then he either has to use the WA to get in my face again, which gets met with L2R2, or he'll try to walk up and R1, which gets spaced with an R2 poke like any other axe.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@viagrandad
When people will start posting actual soundtrack cd rips instead of this shit
it's youtube compressed audio quality anyway dude, that one is just louder.

Soft_member
Soft_member

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFDSKyX-TxI
tfw they will never buff Vordt to make him actually worthy of this theme

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Playboyize
It's not really a trade since you hit him before he R1s.
since the SS user hits the axe user with the L2R2 before the axe user R1s, I mean

ambiguous pronouns

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Techpill
Is it worth playing Dark Souls 1? I had a save probably around 70% done but somehow it corrupted a few years back and I lost my progress. Now my DS fix and all that shit is all fucked up and I want to use a mouse and keyboard. Idk if it is worth doing. I do sort of want to beat it though before I consider buying the second game.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Bidwell
Having never played ToH, that song just sounds like a dark and edgy clone of Alonne with the same repeating chant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY

askme
askme

there are people defending DaS3 ost
[email protected]
No, really DaS3 OST is just a cacophony repeating the same thing for it's entire duration. Le epik choirs with occasional strings and other shit thrown in resulting in barely any semblance of melody.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BunnyJinx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmpweHdeAc
is just much better than
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIX_-AMuAhY

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Soft_member
stick your head in his ass
he literally can't do anything

but why from

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

How do I get the earthseeker WA to actually hit people? It seems fairly useless cause it doesn't seem to actually seek out your target like it does when the enemy uses it.

Does it just not do that or am I using it wrong? I am locked on

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Flameblow
They need to give him Oceiros treatment so staying beneath him would be a suicide.
Also buff his HP a little.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@eGremlin
Not that guy and I love DS2 but it's not even close my dude, Bb soundtrack is just in a league of its own.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@LuckyDusty
Is it worth playing the best game?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Soft_member
the vocals just sound stupid. ah oh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hohohohohoho

demon's souls tower knight theme levels of ahoho

Illusionz
Illusionz

@hairygrape
unused track so boring it wasn't used anywhere
being even remotely comparable to Vordt's hype as fuck theme
Even unused tracks of DS3 are better than unused tracks of DS2.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StonedTime
You're fighting a crazy ice beast who jumps around while still holding his hammer.
Laughing vocals suit this track perfectly.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Illusionz
Ah yes

jumps around 3 times
stands still for such a long time you can destroy all his hp left for a highly telegraphed attack even with unupgraded weapons

Supergrass
Supergrass

@eGremlin
the bloodborne track actually has a distinct melody. I can whistle it.

I can't whistle any of these dark souls 2 tracks.

askme
askme

@Illusionz
Even unused tracks of DS3

?

hairygrape
hairygrape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susg9a_G3Sk

FastChef
FastChef

@eGremlin
Alonne's theme is the biggest joke ever.
I can't belive there are still people who think it has lyrics

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StonedTime
Its just Vordt ogasming because you stick it in too deep

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@askme
hey people like that O&S theme
let's just take it and turn it up to 11
give that """""hype""""" music to all the bosses

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
you say you don't like hype music, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4JP-NxfN8

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Supergrass
@eGremlin
@Bidwell

If we're going to compare BB's soundtrack to anything in DS, might as well compare it to every other OST ever made. From has almost not influence on soundtracks on their own games, much less games made by SIE.

And what's the point of comparing soundtracks anyway? Just to find another reason to bitch / like DS2?

Music is even more subjective than video games, who the fuck cares if someone disagrees with your "OBJECTIVE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT CORRECT EVIDENT PROVEN PERFECT" opinion on what souls games have the 'best' music.

idontknow
idontknow

@hairygrape

this and all other ds3 tracks were made on just a computer with samples, and the occasional solo instrument/voice is Yuka

i just don't believe it, baffles me every time

is there any more information or interviews how it was done? surely they had several producers, not just Yuka Kitamura doing it all completely alone?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@GoogleCat
You see DeS and first DaS had a good balance between calmer, slower pieces and the hype ones. DaS3 is only capable of doing le epik hype and even then it does it fucking poorly, mashing hundred of sounds at the same time making it an inaudible garbage.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@idontknow
Ask her on twitter.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@New_Cliche
blame this guy @RumChicken

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@viagrandad
you're either trolling or just deaf

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@viagrandad
mashing hundred of sounds at the same time making it an inaudible garbage
That's actually DS2 ost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig0G32Ng2lM

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx7IqT2Ocx8
that sudden second phase theme completely changing the atmosphere of a fight

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@PurpleCharger
No, the blame is entirely on this guy:
@MPmaster

First poster was saying "Hey, I found this cool track I didn't know existed, I think it's just as good as the other games"

the second guy got triggered "DS2 IS SHIT IT WAS A RUSHED JOB EVERYTHING THEY DID WAS AWFUL SONIC 06 IS BETTER THAN DS2"

SniperWish
SniperWish

@GoogleCat
if you can't pick out all the instruments there and actually hear it properly you either have abysmal quality equipment or actually deaf and should visit doctor

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@GoogleCat

I love how minimal and percussion oriented the DeS soundtrack is. It's sad to see how many can't appreciate it.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@GoogleCat
Which is funny because it's composed by the same people who later did DaS3 ost and they're both trash

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
You're not allowed to praise dark souls 2 here.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@LuckyDusty

but das2 dlc is some of the finest gaming there is

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CodeBuns
Dark Souls 3 OST is the second best in the series, right below Bloodborne. Your taste is horrible, user.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@BinaryMan
Nah man, gotta make people deaf with sampled choirs that don't make any sense in every single song for them epic feelings.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Playboyize
Nah man, gotta make people deaf with sampled choirs that don't make any sense

do you realize that this is actually intended and many times even real orchestras and choirs make up their own words/languages?

it's a musical ~thing~

if you're uneducated don't shittalk

cum2soon
cum2soon

@LuckyDusty
Funny you say that because I see a lot of posts praising Dark Souls 2 and shitting in Dark Souls 3 since what you're supposed to do is hate the latest entry on the series. People only hated on Dark Souls 2 that bad over here when it was first released.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@New_Cliche
@PurpleCharger
@Burnblaze
yeah who wants to talk about music? let's go back to talking about carthus curved swords.

@viagrandad
demon's souls doesn't have a single "hype" track. it's all weird low key discordant warbling. well, that and astraea.

MPmaster
MPmaster

EVERYONE SHUTUP

BEST BOSS THEME COMING UP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvFOdMy7ZcA

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BinaryMan
I like it too but dirty colossus is just a farting tuba.

takes2long
takes2long

man eater's harp theme was fucking dope. i do agree the more tumultuous piece of DeS soundtrack aren't quite up to par, but neither was anything else about it. save for level design and best hub waifu

Techpill
Techpill

@MPmaster

Aldia comes back in DLC2

what are the chances?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Techpill
that would be hilarious but no.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Poker_Star
Armor Spider, fuck even Phalanx fits.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Techpill
(0) zero

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Nojokur

halfway into dlc2, 4 bosses killed and 10 hours later
see bonfire
nice, time to
Aldia explodes up from it

SUP

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@New_Cliche
Are you talking about the boss or the theme?

You have far less of this in the sequels, there are many good tracks that don't fit bosses at all.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@New_Cliche

It's pretty good as far as fart music goes, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glp-zr6--DQ

And Wim Mertens is a respected minimalist composer.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@iluvmen
armor spider theme is some weird frank zappa meltdown. not hype.

girlDog
girlDog

@BunnyJinx
dlc2
10 hours
stopped reading there

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stupidasole
what the fuck is this garbage

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Evil_kitten
I mean yes you're right that dirty colussus is a pathetic boss and has an equally pathetic themesong, but I'm not sure that's really a good thing.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@BinaryMan
it's art sir

hairygrape
hairygrape

all this discussion about soulsborne music

Most soulsborne music is absolute garbage overreliant on OOOH HAAH HAAAA HAAA HAAA HA AHAA. If you like that style of boss music, your opinion is literally worthless. Somebody could fart in a mic while some chorus makes fake latin sounds and you'd think it's totally epic.

There's very few exceptions, like Gwyn's theme.

It's sad that the fucking "epic chorus" meme even ruins otherwise good themes. Listen to the dragonrider theme and tell me if it wouldn't be much better without the constant OOOH OOOOH OOOH.

This isn't to say that chorus can't be good, either. Chorus is absolutely good if it's done right. It's just that laying OOOH OOOH OOOH over the music for the sake of having a chorus is absolute dogshit and whoever came up with the meme should shoot themselves in the head immediately.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Poker_Star
Talking about music isn't the same as trying to make every topic about shitting on DS2. You can compare tracks without making it about which game is best and which game shouldn't be played.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@hairygrape
Dark Souls 2 does not relies on OOH OOH OOH

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spazyfool
I just dislike grand and unfitting themes for bosses that don't deserve it. One of the best Dark souls 2 themes belongs to 3 random NPCs and is better than either final boss theme.

I'd rather have fitting themes with weak sounding ones belonging to weak bosses than everything trying to seem epic.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@hairygrape
Also for a fun little experiment so you can convince yourself of how overreliant souls music is on HOOO HAAAHH HOOOOOHHHHH go to youtube

Look for any old boss theme. Listen to it for like 5 seconds until the first HOOOOOOOOOOHHHH HAH! kicks in. Click on a random one in the related videos, repeat.

If you do this and you still think there's nothing wrong with the garbo chorus, you're deaf

Here, if you're lazy. Literally did that and picked random themes, a bunch in a row. Open them all, listen in for a sec, open the next one. Literally same shit because of the chorus. Again, if you think this is cherrypicked, do it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh7nTM6D-GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0IqQQY5p88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0vmbmdexw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UXX-TL1bxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrbZc-J0-Z4

@AwesomeTucker
It does, as you can plainly hear above. All of the games do.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Gigastrength
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the chorus. It enhances the OST.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@hairygrape

t. jealous uneducated composer

Soft_member
Soft_member

@hairygrape
stop liking what i don't like it's wrong: the post

farquit
farquit

@hairygrape
I actually think Miyazaki is the one who likes the "ooh haaah haaa haa" music or something ,because it only shows up in the games he directs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ykiK88vi00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_M_JYbvf8M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlEzM2rAhrA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFr7AyT17sI

Inmate
Inmate

@Soft_member
I think having a chorus on every track gets really old, too. It makes every song give off the exact same feeling.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

bloodborne and demon's souls don't have chorus on every track.

Techpill
Techpill

@Inmate
@Gigastrength
@hairygrape

thank fuck you're not in charge of anything

Emberburn
Emberburn

Is DS1 multiplayer still alive on PC?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Snarelure
@Ignoramus
@Soft_member
You can like chorus. I don't give a shit.
What you can't do is deny that it literally bogs down the music and makes it all sound the same.
enter bossfight
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

Never notice how the themes that stick the most are the ones with the least amount of chorus, if any?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sur4qN_4Oi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIrG8SEKvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnoZG6iCbjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u04gmzXTIMU

And of course, exceptions confirm the rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmsh7_vgW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XREf55X9E

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Gigastrength
I never realised how much I like the skeletons lords theme until now.

Firespawn
Firespawn

DS2 question:

Maybe someone has done the number crunching. How good/bad is Santier's Spear infused with lightning? I'm currently using it Raw but since I'm doing a Faith build I'm wondering if it'd be better. How much Faith would I need to break even?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@farquit
It's in 2 as well, no doubt because they used the same composer.
He might have more to do with it than Miyazaki for once.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Is DS2 really that bad?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Soft_member
The poise cast lightning strike + sacred flame combo. I go into arena just to spam it.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TreeEater
yes

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Stupid demon with his meta build.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Harmless_Venom
You are clueless my dude. I don't really know how to explain it to you, you are like a baby.

Also you are cherrypicking examples, as nearly half of ds2 and ds3 tracks don't have "epic hooohs" as you describe it

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater

We've been over this hundreds of times already, jesus christ.

No Souls game is bad by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close. It's just that DaSII is significantly worse than the high standard of the other games in the series.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Emberburn
I'm officially inviting you to find me a single DS3 soundtrack without epic HOOOHS right off the bat and throughout the entire thing.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@haveahappyday
Yeah because DS2 where half of the boss fights are gank bosses and there are shitty rehashes like not-Queelag or not-Ornstein is so good.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Harmless_Venom
really, seath's theme?

FastChef
FastChef

@TreeEater
It's different. It's not objectively better or worse overall.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Evil_kitten
You dont like seath's theme? I didn't know such a person exists

Evilember
Evilember

@haveahappyday
no, dark souls 2 is bad.

dark souls 2 is like what people who don't like souls games feel when playing a good souls game.

can't imagine how those people feel when playing dark souls 2.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
crystal sage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgIcULEEpgE

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Which Souls game has best PvP?

Inmate
Inmate

@Crazy_Nice
Don't know why, but whenever I tried that the mimic it's crushed, badly.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Stark_Naked
ds3

takes2long
takes2long

@Stark_Naked
they're all equally bad in different ways

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater
I remember Sages and Greatwood having no chorus at all.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Stark_Naked
Best feel: Dark Souls 3
Best balance: Dark Souls 2
Most depth: Dark Souls 1

Pick your poison.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
o well looks like I lost

Still, you can't deny that the majority of boss tracks in every game are heavy on chorus. I think Crystal Sage is actually the only one in DS3 without any, and I think Friede might be light on the chorus too.

DS2 probably did the best job with unique boss tracks in the entire series, with and without ebin chorus. I forgot about the DLC, but I think those were relatively unique too.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@AwesomeTucker
2 does it way less. Usually even if there is vocal it's single voice and not AAAH OOOH in your face, but something coherent in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1_3az6Hgs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKPTYYl3sA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbjIFx4Hxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em5gtDJcFqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAVCkVclNR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNhqsri8Mdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckGyYWowMgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf5Ymjn3z4w
Also Alonne's theme is chorus done right.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Inmate
Depends on Mimic AI, if he does kicks and throws punches instead of using grab attack then he will win. On this webm he pretty much stomped the demon until he unzipped his second phase and stunlocked the mimic. If Mimic AI didn't goof out and attacked once instead of trying to grab demon's dick he would kill him.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Stark_Naked
Soulcalibur

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Harmless_Venom

completely missing the point of "boss music"
"i don't like it so it's objectively bad"

this is why Yuka and others were hired and not you, and the ds3 music is considered some of the best vidya game music made, surely just a coincidence...

also listen to Oceiros theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGlTiXXJ4Sc

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I pirated DS1 is it worth it to buy original for the multiplayer?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Playboyize
ds3 music is considered some of the best vidya game music made
by who exactly?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Playboyize
the ds3 music is considered some of the best vidya game music made
by who?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Playboyize
This. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the chorus. Some of my favorite tracks have it, and it's well used by the game, like in Pontiff Sullivahn's and Vordt's theme.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Playboyize
this is why Yuka and others were hired and not you,
No, I'm pretty sure that's because I'm not a composer. Is that your attempt at a clever retort? "you're not a composer"? Wow, grande fucking observation there.

and the ds3 music is considered some of the best vidya game music made,
By who? Even WoW had better boss music desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dedMP7eda2E

girlDog
girlDog

@BunnyJinx
I belive, no. It's not that active and arguably there are a lot of gimmicks that might make it annoying, see any DeS PvP video but with less bullshit.

farquit
farquit

@girlDog
@Lord_Tryzalot
more people playing DaS1 than SotFS
not that active
ok

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Carnalpleasure
Even WoW had better boss music desu

yeah now i know it's safe to just ignore you

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
Your taste is so damn poor I really can't believe it.

Even Tower Knight's theme, the one that has the most epic chanting in the series, is extremely good.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@farquit
@girlDog

I've heard there is some bug with first DS1 where you can barely find any players but there is a mod that fixes it. Darkroot Garden and Ollacile are still full ov PvPers.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Stupidasole
Have you ever considered the possibility that you're drawn to the epic chorus for the sake of wanting epic boss music?

Imagine if boss music did more than just throw epic fanfares and fake chorus at you to tell you HEY, YOU'RE FIGHTING A BOSS!
Imagine if boss music actually fit the theme of the boss and gave it a specific feeling.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Stupidasole
tower knight's theme is comical.

Inmate
Inmate

@Evilember
literally just few more guys

kek DS1 ded gaem

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Guys do choose greatsword of judgement or profaned greatsword? I wanna try them for pvp at some point

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Inmate
both games are dead, dude.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Playboyize
Imagine if boss music did more than just throw epic fanfares and fit the theme

just like every ds3 track does, and many in ds2. you might not hear it in-game, but ripped from the game you can hear their full, listen @Playboyize

boss music is supposed to be like this, and ds3 did it best with second phase being intense version.

you can't have every track be, just piano or strings or whatever it's you're after, that would be dull and ruin any boss fight that would best have such a track, it wouldn't stand out. why did Gwyn's theme have such an impact you think ?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

cockblocking hosts from beating SoC with babysitters
helping lone, cooperative hosts beat SoC
There is no better feeling.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@LuckyDusty
How they are dead if they have players you dumb nigger?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@CodeBuns
Judgement is only useful if you're leveling INT. Both of them are really good, but GoJ is more limited in terms of builds.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Playboyize
So the thing I noticed, especially in 3, is that the bosses are all very much trying to be as epic as possible.
What with the flashy attacks, powerups, phase changes, and combos.

Yeah, the epic music gets old and I've never been a fan of vocals at all with a few exceptions, but I don't think there's actually a point where the music straight-up doesn't fit with the fight or the boss itself.
Which ones do you think are out of place?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evilember
@Inmate

PC players/community

wow it's fucking nothing

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evilember
tfw if they didn't split servers DaS2 would still be in top hundred.
@LuckyDusty
2.5k is a pretty good amount of people, even considering that most of them are doing PvE solo. Probably most of them.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@MPmaster

The entire DS2 ost has more life than the UUUAAHHH and OOOOHHHHHS of III.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Playboyize
I like the feeling that the "epic" boss music gives me. When Vordt enters his second phase and starts changing around as the music gets faster and more epic is a very memorable experience. This is one of the reasons I consider Vordt to be one of the best earlygame bosses From has ever done, coupled with his awesome visual design.

I see literally nothing wrong with the chorus and the epic boss music. I feel like it does a lot for the gameplay, and the themes are different enough that it doesn't get samey.

This also makes bosses that don't have epic soundtracks stick out more, like Gwyn in Dark Souls 1 or Maiden Astraea. If all bosses had similar tracks then it wouldn't be so memorable.

takes2long
takes2long

@Snarelure
yeah it's fucking nothing DS3 has 12k+ every day while ps3 has what 3k? 4k maybe?

massdebater
massdebater

@Snarelure
What kind of retarded argument is that?

hurr if no one plays a game on my shitbox then you should forget about all the guys who play it on your platform of choice!

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Snarelure
Well, show us PSN or xbox players, you dumbass.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

had DS 1 on my PS3
didn't even have my console plugged to the internet, only played some Killzone 3 on multiplayer later on
play DS1 on PC
also offline

am I missing out? I don't need coop because NPC phantoms are good enough at distracting the bosses, I don't need messages because I already finished the game twice so I know where to go and from YT videos PVP in this game doesn't seem that enjoyable because people tryhard with bulds like Havelmom or just roll around each other fishing for backstabs.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evilember
As someone who generally likes things like Armored Core more than Souls, Dark souls 2 is infinitely more fun to me than Dark Souls 1 or 3 was.

Dark Souls 2 is ~80% of the refinement but with twice the gameplay customization and opportunities to optimize. DS1 is way too heavily reliant on reaction time and whatever stat you chose to use, and DS3 is way too reliant on the weapon you chose and having to practice that moveset, plus roll spamming. DS2 offers the most flexibility on a single playthrough in terms of changing up the gameplay experience and figuring out new ways to optimize and get better without repeating the same techniques over and over again.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@King_Martha
my point isn't you need emotional piano strings. That's just Gwyn.
I also listed Pinwheel, which for an example has absolutely no piano in it.

The rotten also hardly is just piano or strings.

@Fuzzy_Logic
I'm not trying to say they're out of place. Some fit quite well, like Vordt's, even though they have the epic chorus problem.
I'm not even saying chorus is inherently bad or something, it's just that the music is way too heavy with it. If it had less chorus, the impact of chorus would be heightened.

There are some examples of the chorus not fitting with the boss you fight though. Executioner's Chariot is fucking dumb. You're running along a race track killing skellies and necromancers while the chariot makes its rounds and all the while you're hearing chorus and really hyped up epic music. It's most noticable when you're literally just at the lever waiting for the chariot to crash into it and it goes
HHAA AHAAA OHOHOHO AHAHAH OGHOHOHOOHOH AHHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

And yes, the overly-epic thing is why I like pinwheel as a boss so much. No overhyped fight, but instead it's a boss you have to approach strategically (most people don't know this because they go to the catacombs really late and twoshot pinwheel) and the music enhances that. It fits really well.

takes2long
takes2long

@Crazy_Nice
You're missing out on not having played the game online back when it was active.

You're not going to get much out of playing it online these days.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@kizzmybutt
action RPG is reliant on reaction time
it's a bad thing

I wonder how would you play a pure action game like Devil May Cry.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Crazy_Nice

Seeing all the creatures in Carthus come together to kill those demonic abominations made me happy.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@takes2long
As if online back in 2012/2013 was any good lmao

messages telling yout o jump off the cliff
PvP sucked

that only leaves coop

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@AwesomeTucker
DEMONIC SHITS GET OUT OF MY CATACOMBS
DO N O T DEFILE THE SANCTITY OF THE HIGH LORD'S TOMB AND THE RESTING PLACE OF HIS SACRIFICES
WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL
A WALL BETWEEN CARTHUS AND IZALITH

askme
askme

How do i bleed build dsg ?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

DS1 is the most atmospheric when you play solo.

Prove me wrong faggots.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Hey I wanna make a Souls ripoff but more focused on PvP, what do and what don't

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@askme
Quality build with bleed weapons buffed with Carthus Rouge, sadly. Hollow infusion builds give you higher bleed but it's not that much of a difference because of how much bleed Carthus Rouge adds, so it's up to you if you want to spend extra stats for it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What is the optimal level and weapon upgrade for pre-pontiff/post-pontiff area?
I slammed my way through everything with SL35 +4 weapon, but that's too low now, right?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@CodeBuns
Well shit, thanks user

Skullbone
Skullbone

@askme
Lvl up luck+blood infuse weapon+glitch buff with rouge

WebTool
WebTool

Is using Zweihander on a pure STR build a waste? I love the moveset but C scaling is kinda off puting.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@JunkTop
you're the guy that wants every boss theme to be like demon kings and crystal sages?

jesus christ what a shitshow that would have been

what else are you expecting? orchestral boss theme music WITHOUT choirs? it would sound like an american action blockbuster soundtrack

also you're overdoing it with your "HO AH HO AH AHHHHH", no track in ds3 does that except vordt but it's good there.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@JunkTop
I don't get why everyone's getting so annoyed with you. I like the chorus but you're definitely not wrong in that it's a little over used and some tracks would benefit without it.

While I don't think I've ever listened to a boss track and gone "woah the chorus on this sucks ass I wish they got rid of it," the number of boss tracks I *have* listened to and gone "woah the chorus really makes this" isn't high (only Vordt and Tower Knight come to mind immediately).

Techpill
Techpill

@lostmypassword

When it comes to atmosphere the Dark Souls games have absolutely nothing on Bloodborne and Demon's Souls. Not even close.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Techpill
Demon's Souls doesn't seem that atmospheric from the gameplays I've seen.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Techpill
Really fucking want to play Bloodboner
No PS4
Don't really want to splash out the cash on a PS4 when there's only like 1 or 2 games I want to play on it
Don't want to have to then pay even more for online
M-mustards winning again

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fried_Sushi
you're the guy that wants every boss theme to be like demon kings and crystal sages?
You're the guy who doesn't read conversation, butts in with strawmen and then makes fun of the point you just made up on the spot?

What a shitshow your brain must be

no track in ds3 does that except vordt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrbZc-J0-Z4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy2OCRmxVAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke3HWo8fTpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4cdfRrRWf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XREf55X9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3xQga-2LX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajq6MFS_ysM

bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWae6r7Blw
That's right friend, even the main menu theme in DS3 is epic chorus.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Techpill
Bloodborne's atmosphere is extremely overrated. With the exception of the DLC, Upper Cathedral Ward (where your screenshot is from) and Cainhurst, the entire game looks the same and has the same feel. While that atmosphere is really, really well done, it ends up overstaying its welcome.

It needed more color, instead of making everything the same washed out shit. Some washed out levels are fine, but making the entire game like that is just boring. We needed more things like this pre-release screenshot.

Demon's Souls is leagues above Bloodborne in terms of atmosphere, because it manages to have different kinds of atmosphere and feel between its different worlds and areas within those worlds, instead of sticking to one for the entire game.

farquit
farquit

@JunkTop
When I read
Imagine if boss music actually fit the theme of the boss
I assumed you meant that the music felt out of place. Never mind.

I've always preferred the more reserved themes too; my favorite track in the series will probably always be Astraea's. I think it's pretty clear that they're not going in that direction right now, though.

I don't think it's that often that the vocals add anything to the songs in the game. The two exceptions I usually think of are Gwyndolin's theme and the theme for Ash Lake. Pinwheel works, too, but that's probably because it's just vocals in the background, not a chorus.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@RavySnake
Well, you would need to make every weapon/build have more options than they do in souls games. Like, in a fighting game characters have like a couple dozens attacks that they can use at all times and several mobility options. You might want to do something like forward+r1 - different attack, r1+l1 - different attack, r1+r2 - different attack and so on (well, if you decide to keep general control scheme that is).
You might also want to speed things up. Most attacks in fighting games are completely unreactable, and for a reason. At least you want to have a universal quick attack option for close range interruption.
Also a good idea would probably be a viable block that you wouldn't have to sacrifice anything for. It should be an always available universal option, i think, and have 100% reduction, or at least 90%. Shields would upgrade it, but they shouldn't be necessary to use it. Might also add something like an instant block, which would be sort of easy parry with lower reward.

massdebater
massdebater

If Dark Souls games are dead why is this thread alive?

Checkmate.

SniperWish
SniperWish

be innovator of the series
early PS3 title, big leap from previous projects that devs had done
plebeians treat you unfairly compared to later games that rehash you relentlessly

DeS had a hard life.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@AwesomeTucker
I thought that Souls's slower attacks in PvP was what made it unique and accessible

Booteefool
Booteefool

@SniperGod
is reliant =/= too reliant

Armored Core can be more reliant on reaction time than dark souls but it balances it out with other forms of player agency like much more in depth customization, preparation, etc.

Dark Souls isn't Devil May Cry. It's not a hack and slash, and if it was, it would be a terrible one. The appeal in dark souls is more than just the reaction-based rolling and attacking, it's also in the customization of the gameplay experience through the combination of items and stats.

I'm complaining about things like how rolls, infusions/buffs, and backstabs trivialize most of the tweaking and optimization possibilities in Dark Souls 1 and 3, it's always better to practice rolling, backstabbing, and use the best buffs than it is to experiment, in those games.

But in Dark Souls 2 they tend to complement the customization instead of overwhelming it. Things like AGL, separating stamina max from stamina recov, fact that all stats (int/fth/str/dex) have the same payoffs for infusions, that any weapon can be dual wielded, etc. these are all mechanics you can use to your advantage and reaction-time based mechanics are never so overwhelmingly powerful that they make them pointless to optimize for the others.

It's definitely a flawed game, and probably worse than DS1 or DS3 for its time (and definitely worse on release) but there are things it does that make it a much more fun experience for me, and I imagine other people.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@massdebater
See
/vg/thread/165292210#p165292210
/vg/thread/165220321#p165220321
Souls games aren't dead, but that's a bad argument.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@SniperWish
Yeah man I loved that giant swamp level you could only walk through and grinding my dick off to make builds

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

PvP in Souls games is dog shit.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Raving_Cute

linking the superior versions here which have both phases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2hIOyLrc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQ9w4QPl9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuYcP6ivon8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imFCGYXipck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg8uiG_nJSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZBaOSG8pE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5LADdnmTu8

you're cherrypicking and still wrong :) notice how none of them have "HOOOOHH AHHHHH" which you're going batshit crazy about, and that they're well mixed and do not overpower other instruments at all

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spazyfool
This is how that area looks like in game, notice how the design got noticeably worse with washed out colors.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Gigastrength
remastered

Are those in the game? Who remastered those?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sir_Gallonhead
Absolutely true. Invasions are the only proper souls pvp because it's mostly fucking over a host while he's fighting mobs.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Hey LADS when is the next DLC supposed to be RELEASED?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@lostmypassword
they are ripped from the game and pasted together where they fade out and in

they still haven't released the full soundtrack with endings sadly

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

no PS4 to play Bloodborne
PC too toaster to run DS3

should I play DS2 or just stick to first DS?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Hello people of /dsg/.
I just started DaS2 and I was wondering what build I should go?

I finished DeS and DaS on a melee build, DeS was sword & shield while DaS was a single sword.

I thought of spicing it up a bit and adding some magic.

What are some good Melee / Magic builds in DaS2

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@massdebater
@Bidwell
crying forever over dead games

ac6 when

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Spazyfool
I'd argue that the Nightmare levels (even outside of the DLC) have a different feel and do not look the same as the other places you visit.
I remember the lighting changing over time as well, there's evening, sunset, and night if I remember, which at least kind of helps lower the washed out feeling.
I'm by no means arguing that Old/Central Yharnam and Cathedral Ward don't feel very similar, though.

takes2long
takes2long

@Dreamworx
I dunno about accessibility, but that it certainly does it makes turtling the best style of combat.
Also you should make block a bad choice in most situations. Like, if you block you get disadvantage in frames, and if you keep blocking you either get guard broken or miss an unblockable or something. Roll should also be not that good, probably like 92 agi 50% DaS2 roll, but with more recovery.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Gigastrength
you're cherrypicking and still wrong :)
I literally linked over half the boss themes in the game. That's a majority.
By definition, if you link me anything else, YOU'RE cherrypicking.

You're also trying to make a point by showing me tracks that aren't even in the game.

How desperate are you, you retarded faggot?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Illusionz
Half
Opinion discarded

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evil_kitten
Dueling is my favorite thing to do in Souls games. There's something special about theorycrafting your build, running it through the game and then testing it against other people in a fair 1v1 situation.

People complain about unbalance and bad netcode but they do not tarnish the overall experience. Souls game PvP is really unique in its perspective, and how both your build and your skill determines the victory.

I have enjoyed PvP in all Souls games to date, though Bloodborne's was my least favorite.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@takes2long
I was thinking about adding the ability being able to crouch, that's how fighting games balance their blocking at least

Firespawn
Firespawn

@GoogleCat
are you actually this retarded? i linked exactly what you linked, but instead with full phase tracks how they are played in-game. all of them are used.

just get out already and go listen to your fart music @Stupidasole

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Spazyfool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bari52wUhjc

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Anyone wanna do Oceiros with me?

PC
Passphrase: dsg

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@New_Cliche
What are some good Melee / Magic builds in DaS2
Pure caster (60 att 50 int 30 fai) that challenges himself not to rely on spells that fly in straight line and hit. Because all other spells are essentially melee spells.
Unfortunately you need quite a bit of expertise in magic and DaS2 to properly do it, but it still can be fun. Just look up magic vendors.
If you don't want to challenge yourself just go 50 att 50 int and infuse whatever weapon you want with magic. Use both pyro and sorcery.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@girlDog
This, except instead of "friends" it was "everyone online"

The bloodstains were appearing in Sen's Funhouse, but Anor Londo was pristine. It felt like I was walking through fresh virgin snow.

Figuring out how to get into the cathedral was a bitch, though, and then I got stuck in the fucking painted world, Guts build on a blind playthrough in that place fucking sucked. Couldn't block wheel skeletons without a shield, exploding assholes that chew up your health every time you hit them (no ranged except 2 fireballs and a shitty crossbow) -- it was brutal.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Gigastrength
In a souls game that would probably look pretty retarded.

FastChef
FastChef

@Ignoramus
Figuring out how to get into the cathedral was a bitch

I played Dark Souls 1 blind but I had to look up how to progress in Anor Londo in a guide. I didn't notice the way to the rafters and I got stuck for a while.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Is Zweihander a STR or quality weapon?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

How does matchmaking work in the arena? (ds3)

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Sharpcharm
DS2 actually runs better on toaster than DS1.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx
Which game?
In DS1 and DS2 it can be both, doesn't matter too much. Though it's distinctly better as a quality weapon in both.
In DS3 you're gonna be at a really shitty low AR if you want to use it pure str.

It does work on a str build, just not very well and it's usually outperformed by similiar weapons.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@New_Cliche
Any of the magic paths (Fire, Lightning, Magic, Dark) are viable in dark souls 2, and you can use infusions to make any weapon scale with those stats. Dark Souls 2 is the best game to do magic, even if you are pure melee.

Fire is average of Int+Fth
Magic is Int, and can scale physical damage through enchanted path
Faith is Fth, and gets the best damage type (Lightning) for PvE
Dark is the lowest of Int+Fth

In terms of a gameplay style that is really unique to DS2, making a hex and melee build would be something you couldn't really do in DS1 or DS3 as effectively.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Fuzzy_Logic
coming

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Carnalpleasure
not very well
implying that +40 damage from DEX scaling would make much difference

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Carnalpleasure
Pure str zwei is pretty good as it weighs so little. The added poise and defense from armor and vit are pretty sweet too. I unironcally do better with a pure str zwei than with yhorms machete.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Evil_kitten
Really? Whenever I invade in ds3, it's always a host, surrounded by 2 sunfags, waiting for me at the bonfire and refusing to move from the bonfire.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperGod
It's actually 100 AR in DS3. Heavy Zweihander has like 500 AR, quality refined Zweihander has almost exactly 600.

@MPmaster
Well, those are entirely different weapons. Try a cathedral knight UGS, its moveset is a little different but it's also very good

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@whereismyname
@BlogWobbles
Thanks guys, This is the part I hate the most about DaS, you need to do a ton of research before going in and it kinda kills the game, since you can't reroll shit and just wing it.

I guess I'll choose a spell path and just follow it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

New
/vg/thread/165358801#p165358801
/vg/thread/165358801#p165358801
/vg/thread/165358801#p165358801

cum2soon
cum2soon

Any recommendations for an SL 90 pyro or even pyro mixed with the dlc weapons? SL 120 would work too I'm just too lazy to get out of ng and start looking for all those fucking rings

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Ignoramus
using cathedral
when fume and black knight exist
yeah no

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@cum2soon
http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/364/3645742/2762296-4017673061-ighcb.gif

Too big for Veeky Forums

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methnerd
These are both insanely heavy, which plays into the post I'm responding to. Try reading

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Carnalpleasure
@Dreamworx

It's effectively strength in DS2. You gain ~35 damage from 40 points of dex but you gain ~100 points from the same in strength. Dex is only worthwhile if you hit the first softcap for strength.

Quality in DS2 just means "level up strength to 40 before you put points into dex" instead of "level up strength to 50+ and then maybe put points into dex".

Inmate
Inmate

@RumChicken
Might as well use greatswords if he wants them to be light.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@haveahappyday
25th Jan IIRC

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Crazy_Nice
You don't even know what he was looking at you nigger. What if he was checking out the stats for a weapon he just got?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

got invaded in Horsefuck Valley
Seed of Giant
mfw

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot
Not him but I'm SL 30 and put my sign in front of dancer's door, and get summoned very quickly but all of her moves kill me in 1-2 hits so its a bit of a bitch.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberfire
I'm at 17 vigor and she oneshots me with anything, and if not that then its goodbye to 90% of my health. I'm wearing the black dress and knight leggings/arms no helm though. How much damage does the bug pellet take off?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@whereismyname
I hear the way damage reduction is done in DS3 leaving a slot empty has serious negative effects

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Techpill
contest between two or more people
well who gives a fuck about balance?

So are you saying that it'd be cool if you were fighting someone and they had a sword that hit you when it was swung, no matter from how far away? What if that sword also stole levels and killed in one shot, no matter how much health or protection you had on? What if your only weapon was a dagger, and you had to hit this guy hundreds of times to do the same thing he could do to you in a much more easy to land single hit. Would you still there and think that balance is meaningless?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@JunkTop
Really? Well, I am taking absurd damage but I had blamed that on my low defense and their high damage. I'll fill up that head slot then if fucks me like that.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Nude_Bikergirl
I didn't understand the reasoning or methodology (though I'm pretty newbish and shit) but the clear implication was that you're better off with, say a "light" set of gloves and hat, than a "medium" gloves and no hat, due to how things were calculated.

SniperWish
SniperWish

says he runs STR build
uses Lighting Zweihander

no wonder DS is considered a hard game if players are too retarded to understand something as simple as weapon scaling. Mark my words one day the only stat weapons will have in action RPGs will be damage.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TalkBomber
I would upgrade a similary strong sword and use it if someone pulled similar shit against me.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Why use anything other than Claymore?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Poker_Star
first time playing DaS1 last weekend
no really
been watching Pat coach Woolie through his first time too, so it's like we're playing together
want drake sword too because I only have so much time for gaming and want to experience as much as possible without wasting time
kill dragon (after getting meme sword) with arrows from under far side of bridge while on phone with wife
get off phone, run back up to bridge to get items
Claymore
Is everything I've heard about the Claymore in DaS1 true?

Also, get mad at me for cheesing my way through the game for the first time. Fuck having le ebin virgin experience, ain't nobody got time for that.

Pic is me at far side bonfire before parish. Don't have praise yet so shrug is the best I could do tee bee aych.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Best and worst world of Demon's Souls?

Best
Boletarian Palace

Worst
I hate 4-2 but the entire Valley Of Defilement feels like a waste of time

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@New_Cliche
@Poker_Star

If you want to have good time, use the Claymore.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SomethingNew
Okay cool. Redpill me on reinforcing/ascending in DaS1, I want the memeiest Claymore ever.

farquit
farquit

@Snarelure
If you want the most stereotypical claymore experience then you simply go +15 with it and use a 27/40 or 40/40 quality build (first one for twohanding second if you want to use it mostly with one hand)

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Crazy_Nice
Stonefang tunnel is shit.
cramped corridors
shit fps
eye-searing lava
boring enemies
Dragon God

Methshot
Methshot

@farquit
Okay this is still my first time playing, though. So +5 with shards, then ascend? What's raw?

27/40 refers to strength/dexterity, yes? So how much endurance do I want? Because I thought that was the best stat, and should get it to 40 first.

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