/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Sweet Child of Kos, returned to the ocean: /vg/thread/165225921#p165225921

A google doc with basic information. If you're new to Bloodborne and /bbg/ READ THIS FIRST BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sItpr6PHpoEiFbtFIBtPO4UNeNEpxuztHteANTJRHDU/edit#heading=h.od90ylbez0rz

Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html

Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
Note: If the eye isn't showing up, go to: Settings > Playstation Network/Account Management > Restore Licenses

Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
Official PvP Chalice: hizzngr3 (Pthumeru Root)
/bbg/ Fight Club:
Pthumeru - n6rc9jh8
Loran - jjpkdcgd
Isz - 9v8qndas
(every Saturday 6pm EST, general rules:http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)

Resources Pastebin - Planners, Calculators, Spreadsheets, Stats Info, Where to go next in BB, Guide Scans & Wikis
http://pastebin.com/aNR8TXUr

Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv

Media Pastebin - OSTs, Concept Art & Screenshots
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj

Beasthood & Claws Info
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX

Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101 & other Misc. Info
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com

Bloodborne Damage Calculations and Formulas
http://pastebin.com/YnRRZPMp

All urls found in this thread:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sItpr6PHpoEiFbtFIBtPO4UNeNEpxuztHteANTJRHDU/edit#heading=h.od90ylbez0rz
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
http://www.bloodbell.com/
http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)
http://pastebin.com/aNR8TXUr
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com
http://pastebin.com/YnRRZPMp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72essOdKJIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA614N3IHD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnEIczhY0QM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC3OuLU5XCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZOIpjW69s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Cb9BSp6Hk
SomethingNew
SomethingNew

/vg/thread/165225921#p165319619
FCs and FRCs

Plus it's fun if you like fighting the boss you're farming.

idontknow
idontknow

Reminder

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
what do the prefixes lost and uncanny mean?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Carnalpleasure
Different gem slots

5mileys
5mileys

@Carnalpleasure
Different gem slots.

/vg/thread/165225921#p165319991
And don't forget Rom for that nourishing radial, what a tedious piece of shit
Eh, fuck Rom. She drops 19.5%s. Gargoyles drop 19.3%s. Why even bother?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

/vg/thread/165225921#p165319615
Sure. I've never spelunked with anyone before, so I'm game.

Evilember
Evilember

@5mileys
15 flat Phys VS 8.

It's worth it.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evilember
Says you. I wouldn't do that.

What's 15 unmodified damage against anything? About the same as 8 Id wager: 1.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@BunnyJinx
Pool's open.

Lower Loran FRC
glyph: bb7d9hzd
pass: 216

Hope it's a good one.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SniperGod
bb7d9hzd
Fuck it's actually bb7d9hzb

Snarelure
Snarelure

Anyone have the speedrun image? Just made a nee character and wanna rush to the DLC but forgot everything. All I remember is to get Saw Spear.

Evilember
Evilember

@SniperGod
you ringing?

Inmate
Inmate

@Evilember
Yessir

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

srrc takes forever goddamn.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

When do I find the fun weapons? I just beat the Bloodstarved beast, I'm playing a STR build and the only weapon I like so far is the Hunter's Axe. Kirkhammer is ok but I see no reason to use it over the axe

viagrandad
viagrandad

@CouchChiller
the dlc

Methnerd
Methnerd

What level should you start the dlc at? I'm 51 currently but having trouble with the the one reborn and don't have anything else to do

SniperGod
SniperGod

@SniperGod
Beast (3) in Layer 1 pre-Lamp bonus room.

@Poker_Star
You gonna SRRC for the whole thing or run it in tandem?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@CouchChiller
Kirkhammer is great for the satisfying smashing and the feel of the attacks connecting on your transform attacks. It has real impact to it. If you want other good STR weapons, the Ludwig's Holy Blade and Whirligig are both good. You can get the LHB after the door to the Healing Church Workshop opens up. Pizza Cutter is DLC but worth. The Beast Cutter is also good fun, but again, DLC. If you don't mind pumping BLT, the Bloodletter is one of the most satisfying weapons in the game.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Should I summon you? Im ringing.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SniperGod
Tandem. Already ringing.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@ZeroReborn
However you wanna do it. If you just wanna pull the lever a solo Keeper I'll meet you on Layer 2, or if you wanna summon me and explore each Layer in your game too I'm down for that.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Methnerd
60-65+
You can give it a try, but expect to struggle a bit, particularly if you're currently being walled by One Reborn. Hopefully you've got a +9 weapon.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Methnerd
I went in at around 70. Got my ass handed to me at first before I decided to git gud.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RavySnake
And you can get beasthunter saif, Amygdalan arm, beastcutter, boom hammer, and pizza cutter without beating Ludwig.

Lunatick
Lunatick

...

Dang it,

Playboyize
Playboyize

Why is Beast Cutter so shit, /bbg/?
How do I make it not shit (inb4 abyssals)?
It looked so fun, but it's so weak and slow.

Nojokur
Nojokur

do you get any kind of reward for destroying the shadowy nightmare over Kos' dead body after you kill the Orphan? I kind of want to not slay the nightmare, because I like the sky better when there is that neat sun in the background

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Nojokur
You don't get any kind of reward if you don't.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Playboyize
it's serrated and every single attack it does is blunt damage, meaning you can get +32% gems for it

In tricked mode it is slow as hell but it is great because of the range. The tricked R2 attack has extreme range and will flatten just about anyone, especially on the second R2 in a row.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RavySnake
I expected tricked mode to have much higher stagger property, but it turns out it has about the same stagger as, say, Kirk sword mode R1.
And only the second R2 has flattening property, so you need to be able to land two R2 attacks in a row before the enemy reaches you/dodges. And the first R2 stagger is also pretty shit.
And every attack in any mode costs a fuckton of stamina too.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Playboyize
beast cutter
shit
Get a Heavy Abyssal and two 32% blunts. Proceed to annihilate everything.

King_Martha
King_Martha

since when was /bbg/ raided by fucking useless redditards
where's the speedrun image faggots

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@King_Martha
read the OP newfag

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TalkBomber
Not the chalice one you stupid newfaggot.
go back to ledit and kill yourself

Evilember
Evilember

goddamn teleporting beast.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Should I pay for PS+? Will you do dungeon crawling with me, /bbg/?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@King_Martha
@Burnblaze
Christ user who pissed in your cereal

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Playboyize
Beast Cutter
Shit
Sensible_Chuckle.gif

Evilember
Evilember

@LuckyDusty
pvp

Evilember
Evilember

@LuckyDusty
pvp
lag
waifu hunter
playing against another shitter
thinks theyre good

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@LuckyDusty
172 damage on a staggered enemy
How is that not shit?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

About the Rakuyo... do you rike it?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Is 40 SKL/40 BLT even remotely viable in that pvp of yours? Built a twink to mess with Chikagay/Rakuyo after whirligig-sawing hoonter.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@ZeroReborn
yesh

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evilember
I don't "think I'm good", but I do think the Beast Cutter is good.
dat fast untricked R1 chain
dat hitstun
dat tricked R2 knockdown
dat xform attack
dat AR
@Burnblaze
That's all the HP he had left.

WebTool
WebTool

suggestions for
str/arc
dex/arc
str/blud
dex/blud

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lunatick
98
i dont play on reddit meme metas sorry

Spamalot
Spamalot

bb7d9hzb

Beast (3) on Layer 1
Lost Tonitrus on Layer 2
Camerabeast on Layer 3

Got a couple nice gems out of it. Nice hunting with you, user

Evilember
Evilember

@Spamalot
You too user.

Inmate
Inmate

Wheel bros, I'm having a crisis of faith here.

At 36/22, shooting for 50/25 then eventually 50/50 after I do chalices my wheel fucking sucks. I got the mensis arcane gem, I took it to plus 9, and it doesn't do that good. My HMLS does comparable damage at +7 with all phys gems and my tonitrus with a couple +12% gems and the 16% arc gem outdoes the damage of the +9 wheel at +6, and it has only a slightly worse moveset.

Even going pure phys makes it seem a bit... underwhelming. Any tips? I was gonna go for nourishing gems and farm like hell eventually, does it fix the lackluster damage?

RumChicken
RumChicken

So what is the acceptable level range for the fight club?

Evilember
Evilember

@RumChicken
98-117

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Inmate
I'm not a Wheel guy but the Wheel when tricked gets a 30% reduction to its physical damage and big bonuses to its Arc damage. If you're using it tricked 36/22 is pretty terrible for it, whereas HMLS is mostly Phys in both forms with no bonuses or penalties, so at 36/22 it's right at home.

If you intend to use the Wheel tricked I suggest you stop leveling Str cold turkey and punt Arc to 50.

@RumChicken
Peaple say 80-120 but showing up at 80 is suicide and showing up at 120 will get you ridiculed.

The meta here is 98. People show up from 95-110ish.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@RumChicken
If you're gonna go too far past 98, don't come fully gemmed. 117 is where people start telling you to fuck off.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Evilember
reddit meme metas
can you fucking stop, your shit failed for all dark souls and it failed here, fuck off
hurr lets try to force a meta at weird numbers so we can say you HAVE to make sacrifices even though theres literally 6 stats and you're not gonna use them all

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Gigastrength
will get you ridiculed

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

want to go for a Bloodtinge build
the only good weapons are Chikage and Bloodletter
Both are late in the game
God damnit from

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Stupidasole
But you can get to Cainhurst and the DLC relatively early in the game. Cainhurst is empty as fuck too, you can just literally run through it in a few minutes.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stupidasole
If you don't want the umbilical cord from iosefka, which is as easy as just saving arianna, you can get to cainhurst right after the Amelia.

Bloodletter is pretty late but with some skill you can get past Ludwig and the failures with patience and Maria is a joke with strength weapons, which you'll be using a bit of if you're going the letter route.

That bastard brador is parry bait anyways.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Stupidasole
not spending 10 minutes whipping simon through the door for his bowblade

@VisualMaster
you don't even need to lose iosefka's cord, the cainhurst summons aren't in a place that'll trigger her aggro and you can just go back to talking to her through the door afterwards

Methnerd
Methnerd

What's a fun weapon that's not the Saw Cleaver? It's my first time through BB (played every Souls game though).

The Saw Cleaver seems...a little too good to me, it feels cheesy/almost like easy mode. Other than that I've been using Ludwig's Holy Blade (think that's what it's called), but that's also getting a bit boring.

Build so far (just got to One Reborn) is
VIT 25
END 20
STR 22
SKL 25
BT 10
ARC 6

build is OK, right? I haven't fucked up horribly?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Stupidasole
the real tragedy of blt builds is that there's nothing that deals phys/blt damage at the same time like there is for phys/arc

and that if you wanna have an even split the only weapons that are good for it are the bowblade, reiter, and spear, of which only the bowblade is really good since bloodletter and chikage don't get any benefit from skill/str when tricked

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Methnerd
Anything is more fun than the Saw Cleaver.
LHB has good scaling in everything but bloodtinge.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I want to brush the hair of doll!

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stupidasole
Gascan>Old Yharnam>Hemwick>Amelia>Cainhurst>Kill Loggo with a +6 Saw

Flameblow
Flameblow

@whereismyname
Yeah, LHB seems fine, i'm more looking for some new weapon that still fits my build. Suggestions?

Skullbone
Skullbone

have you ever effectively used the messengers' gift? it seems fun but probably too cheesy to ever work

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

The domain bloodborne-wiki.com is no longer parked by GoDaddy.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@LuckyDusty
Beast Cutter is average, there are better all-rounded weapons

Soft_member
Soft_member

@GoogleCat
not using the fextralife wiki

girlDog
girlDog

@Stark_Naked
I want to engage in completely non-sexual snuggling with the doll!

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Soft_member
using fextralife over literally any other available wiki
Kys yourself.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Soft_member
@GoogleCat
I like wikidot the best, it loads quickly by not running so much goddamn CSS on my toaster.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

In case anyone wanna outmeme memelash, pass is bbg in front of his door.
Warning: ng+10, so any hit is a one-shot unless youre bl300 or higher.
Also its not very fun, but maybe Ill find some poor masochistic bastard willing to share my struggles

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
whats the deal buddy

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@King_Martha
fextra regularly has wrong info, is badly moderated, and the site owner uses it to push his shitty guides and let's plays.

5mileys
5mileys

Is pile bunker good at 50/50 str/skl? How does it compare to LHB? Any other lategame weapons?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Need_TLC
meme meme meme hahaha xD isnt it fun to spew the word meme over and over like some fucking asberger reddit degenerate?
kill yourself

idontknow
idontknow

@VisualMaster
grow up.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@idontknow
you first kid

happy_sad
happy_sad

@idontknow
Replying

Methnerd
Methnerd

@VisualMaster
Did someone shit in your fuckin cereal today

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Why does everyone think that it's you who turns into a slug in the Childhood's Beginning?

Just because the Dolls mentions you when she holds the slug, doesn't necessarily mean it IS you.

What if it's just your progeny?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SomethingNew
Childhood's Beginning
You became an infant Great One, lifting humanity into its next childhood.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Will I get good damage out of the HMS with base STR/SKL if I have 70 ARC and appropriate gems?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SomethingNew
She specifically calls the squid kid good hunter, Bloodborne is a Splatoon prequel

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

When's an appropriate time to do Cainhurst/Upper Ward/Nightmare Frontier?

TechHater
TechHater

@Flameblow
Logarius, Reiterpallasch and Chikage are fun

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

what is 25/50 str/arc good for apart from memewheel?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TechHater
Reiterpallasch just seemed like generic souls rapier to me when I tried it.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@PurpleCharger
Holy Moonlight Blade

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TechHater
chikage
fun
pick one
i enjoy it though, unzipping is fun even though its extremely predictable in pvp

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@BinaryMan
isnt that better at 50/25 though?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@eGremlin
dude
it has a gun in it

Bidwell
Bidwell

@DeathDog
bro
I have a gun in my left hand

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Bidwell
bruh
I have something else in my left hand right now ;)

its a shield

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Bidwell
two guns
shoot two niggas at once
shoot one nigga twice
use it with a flamer or cannon or shield or something

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
Tonitrus

Methshot
Methshot

@GoogleCat
parry with shield then give them the cum with the cannon while theyre down

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

What's the definitive Powder keg set? Ashen Hunter or Charred Hunter?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methshot
parry with reiter i mean
tfw 10 hours straight playing bloodborne has messed up my brain

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BlogWobbles
Wouldn't it be Old Hunter set? Guys using Boomhammers wear that. Otherwise I'd say Charred.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

whats the longest youve played bloodborne in one go?

about 24 hours straight near when i first got it, i even forgot to eat and drink

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@ZeroReborn
also had a girlfriend at the time (wernt living together) and id ignored all the texts she'd sent during those 24 hours aswell

JunkTop
JunkTop

@ZeroReborn
Something like 15, I think. I rarely skip on sleep, but I do play for an entire day sometimes.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@JunkTop
no better than a beast

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@ZeroReborn
any game ever was probably near 18 hours, just estimating
bloodborne probably near 12 hours

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@JunkTop
@LuckyDusty
less than 20 hours
casuals

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

daily reminder that djura is the good guy and if you killed him youre a heartless cunt

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StrangeWizard
he's misguided and a fool, he feels that as beasts came from humans they should be treated as such, ignoring that any humanity was snuffed out long ago

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@iluvmen
evem if that was the case why is it wrong and why should we distrburb what he's doing if the place is abandoned?
im talking lore wise, killing him to get his clothes doesnt count here

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
I need to get somewhere
the only way is through this beast-infested part of the town
beasts attack me, cause they're beasts
defend myself
Djura gets triggered and shoots at me with a fucking machinegun

I get his motivations and he probably resents hunters after all he's been through, but I'm not gonna spare him just like he wasn't gonna spare me.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Spamalot
he left a note, okay?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Friendly reminder that anyone that stomps a vermin upon defeating someone in pvp is an edgy vilecuck that deserves to be smashed.
Only acceptable gesture is praying for the sad blooddrunk hunter like an honorable executioner

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@LuckyDusty
How does this webm prove its not shit?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Spamalot
Vermin
Vileblood
Pick one you braindead tool.

farquit
farquit

@BinaryMan
I was pvping as an honorabu executioner in mergo and this one crowsteel vileblood stomped a vermin on me. I think vilecucks farm vermin obly to have an edgy gesture to use, typical

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@farquit
I think you have a victim complex

Emberfire
Emberfire

@farquit
I was pvping as exec
some crowsteel fag stomped vermin on me ;_;
better make a post about stupid vilebloods, that'll show them wahahaha

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Methshot
@Harmless_Venom
can't run cannon+reiter effectively because you're investing 30 str to wield the cannon and reiter is a skill wep

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Garbage Can Lid
So what? Just put points in both. It's not like you can ever run out of blood echoes.
inb4 muh pvp meta autism

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@New_Cliche
You can run violent past and get a build with 50/15/30/50 at level 108 anyway.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
try not to lose next time

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@BinaryMan
@Harmless_Venom
weren't people freaking out "omg so OP" about reiter + cannon like a year ago? Did that get nerfed or something because I never see it

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@BunnyJinx
Cannon costs more bullets now, but nothing else has changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72essOdKJIU

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Crazy_Nice
Lvl 55-65
don't quote me on that

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Poker_Star
@BunnyJinx
wow what the fuck i did this shit first around launch
great i probably mopped the floor with EpicMiscarageBaby and he stole my style

Evilember
Evilember

@CouchChiller
HE STREAMS VIDEO GAMES FOR A LIVING AND GAVE UP ON THE OLD HUNTER DLC AGAIN

Fuck this retarded faggot, his streams are unwatchable because he sucks off every fucking sub which happens every 20 seconds.

I mean, good for him but goddamn its impossible to watch.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@CouchChiller
great i probably mopped the floor with EpicMiscarageBaby and he stole my style

You're a fucking idiot.

That video isn't ENB's, it's just using his explanation. Plus ENB never said it was his idea, some guy writing the guide named N'war (or something) was the "first" to find it (I'm sure From knew how it worked) and he fucking loved the cannon. Hence why "you just got N'warred" became the saying.

It's not exactly a unique idea, as soon as you learn that staggered enemies take x2 damage its only natural to find the highest single attack in the game.

Techpill
Techpill

@DeathDog
Is cannon the highest single attack? I always thought tricked threaded cane with 50 skl visceral was the biggest damage

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
I know that specific video isn't ENB's, but he was in it detailing the setup.
God learn to fucking read kid, quit whining someone doesn't like your shit e-cleb.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Techpill
I thought the weapon doesn't have any effect on the visceral damage, just level and skill.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@MPmaster
I believe how much skill scaling the weapon has affects the visceral damage, and tricked cane has the highest scaling

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Techpill
It's boy the highest single attack, but it's a very high attack that comes out quick enough to use (Stake Chsrged R2 is useless on staggered opponents) and is also ranged which makes it easier. Plus except for 30 STR and 13 SKL there's no investment.

@Raving_Cute
No shit, that's exactly what I said.

If you really think you beat ENB in PVP using a tactic and then he made an explanation claiming it was his idea then you are an arogant asshole.

That tactic was well known by everyone who worked on the guide, it's even explained in there. Other people probably found it as well, since as I said hitting an enemy with the cannon when they are most vunrable is not exactly obscure or hidden technique.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@PurpleCharger
SKL scaling is irrelevent. What does affect it are bonuses.

When tricked Threaded Cane effectively gets a 15 SKL scaling gem added onto it, this adds onto Viscerals as well because that's just how weapon buffs work. The Canes base skill scaling has no effect.

Best visceral possible would be a +6 or tricked Cane using three 12% + 27% Poorman gems and all these visceral runes

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Ever noticed that Logarius uses the Drake Sword in the left hand?
What do lore experts have to say on this?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sir_Gallonhead
If you really think you beat ENB in PVP using a tactic and then he made an explanation claiming it was his idea then you are an arogant asshole.
Or maybe I'm right and you're just some random mad faggot from reddit? if credit is such an important thing on who did what first, then maybe they actually should give credit to the person that did it first? while everyone was running around with Rifle Spears I was doing every possible combo
get fucked retard

TechHater
TechHater

@Harmless_Venom
that he's a shitter

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Are Skill Gems worthless? Yeah the letter changes from A to S scaling but the damage still sucks shit.

Evilember
Evilember

@Emberfire
What are even saying?

I'm not the one obsessed with credit, you are. You are claiming that Rieter + Cannon is *your* technique, I'm saying its basic game mechanics that no doubt 1000s of people thought of independently after being told or figuring out how parries work.

The first person ever to do it was likely a dev. Other than that it would have had to be people writing the guide since they got the game earlier than everyone and it's explained as a tactic in the guide.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@PurpleCharger
Letters are vague approximations. Scaling is actually a number. S means it's 1.00 or above.

The only scaling gems that are ever worth it are +65 STR scaling and ARC scaling.

WebTool
WebTool

@Evilember
Nobody figured out said mechanics until months later, don't try to de-facto this faggot.
If this was already discovered by a dev, why was it left in if it was so broken? Dumb faggot learn to speak and write.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

are there good tinge builds that don't focus on chikage/blood letter?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@kizzmybutt
Can you ever get enough scaling to make going above 50 worth it?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@haveahappyday
are there good tinge builds
No.

askme
askme

@Methnerd
Saw spear

Don't get a LHB. It's boring as fuck after awhile

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@askme
It's boring as fuck after awhile
As opposed to what, the fucking saw spear?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Gigastrength
If you not on this list, don't post your vid

On every DS3 article. People would post a 3min vid showing a weapon moveset or a speed run to item but no it's a timestamp to 3hr YouTube let's play vid of "fed & cas play DS3".

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Poker_Star
cannon is notorious for being able to one-shot people
nerf its bullet cost
can still one-shot people
just nigh useless in pve now
gg from

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Emberfire
@WebTool
the reiterpallasch is a trick weapon with a gun that can parry, the cannon is a firearm that can't parry, putting the two together is not some stroke of fucking genius.

There are 14 trick weapons and 8 guns in the game. Nothing is your secret technique.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BinaryMan
the fextra ds3 wiki is way better than the bloodborne one, at least.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Crazy_Nice
It really depends on how did you distributed your points. On my build where I only dumped points to skill/vitality with blade of mercy I finished Cainhurst on level 40 with ease but only because I had vit/skill on 30ish and knew the area and the boss well.
But I think level 60 is safe to try cainhurst or just look what they say on wiki

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Ahh majestic!

Supergrass
Supergrass

Need some opinions here, currently doing an arc build and right now i have 25/12/16/12/5/45 and i am using a LHB +6 with fire gems from watchdog and the waning one from cathedral ward.

Just killed shadows and now i will be going to cainhurst for the gloves and then continue the game normaly, do i keep using the LHB or is there any other weapon that is worth the upgrade?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SniperGod
reddit meta
Reddit shitters go 120-150 bud.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

If I went all the way up to 117, is that too far? Should I just delete my character?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Supergrass
Tonitrus for enemies resistant to fire. Otherwise there's no reason not to use LHB. Unless you just want a weapon with a different moveset.
The latter can be said about pretty much any build really. Just use whichever weapon you like the most.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@DeathDog
Did I accidentally step into a fucking CS:GO general? Get the fucking stick out of your ass or get the fuck out of here with your cancerous sperg rage. You sound like an autistic child with all your garbage authoritarian angry shitposting. Fuck.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

How do I do a wheel build at 98?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Boy_vs_Girl
Not sure where to subtract points from here
All the weapons I wanna use hog a lot of stamina too

Techpill
Techpill

are maria and laurence supposed to be a joke or is the pizza cutter just op as fuck? I melted them both on my first go

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Allegedly leaked concept art for DS3 dlc

hairygrape
hairygrape

playing through again after a while, what's the optimum level for co-op?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@LuckyDusty
Wrong general m8.

@Techpill
Maria yes. Laurence can be an ass.

@hairygrape
Bl98 of course.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TreeEater
danke

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Boy_vs_Girl
Just to clarify, this build is with clock 2/clock 3/anti-clock 3 setup.

@hairygrape
50 for the most options, 98 for most /bbg/ stuff.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Illusionz
41 vit
This seems suicidal.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperWish
Sorta, but an alternative would be to knock 3 off of END and put them in VIT.
Running 3 clocks could help too, but I just feel like having at least 100 stamina is a must for the wheel.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BinaryMan
But you just dash in, dash r1 and dash out with arc wheel.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BinaryMan
How much would I gain from sticking to 98 over 110 anyway?
And why does the build in the OP have 10 blt?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Is there any real reason to level arc above 50?

askme
askme

@Boy_vs_Girl
110 puts you in range of the reddit 150s. I would recommend going 108, as it puts your summon range just under 150 (149, actually). You can avoid the 150s and still summon down to 67.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@JunkTop
Tools scale all the way to 99, otherwise no.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@askme
Alright, good to know.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@askme
150s
Why? You will be able to do almost anything with a build.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Illusionz
This is reddit we're talking about, they're bigger shitters than we are. Someone at 149 maximum is probably a random who just kept leveling and the occasional guy from reddit on his way to 150.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz
For pvp, it's garbage. I have a 150 (175 actually) and no fight has been particularly interesting. For PvE it's alright, gets boring after a while (say 2 NG+s).

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Illusionz
reddit insists on pumping at least 40 endurance

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@ZeroReborn
Okay, I didn't know that one. That's patently absurd, 18-20 with runes has been fine for me, and people here will probably say that's a little high.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Would you cosplay in Bb gear?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Illusionz
No I'm fat and ugly

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BunnyJinx
Honestly, 15 will be just fine for pretty much any build except pizza cutter where you might push it to 20. Hell, builds using fast weapons would still work with base END.

It's really just a low reward stat, as going from 8-15 END giving 12 stamina makes that perfectly clear.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Fuzzy_Logic
you can go as this guy

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Illusionz
I wouldn't cosplay ever.
But if for some reason I absolutely had to, I would pick BB, sure.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Redpill me on the Pthumerians, who are they and why do they look so spooky?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperWish
Like three of my builds have 41 vit and it's just fine. Pushing 50 vit is honestly kind of dumb since you could put some of those levels into other stats, like getting yourself to a softcap. 45 and 50 vit are functionally the same, and 41 vit is only a little worse than 45.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Crazy_Nice
I seen this picture over a year ago lol

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Illusionz
The Hunter's coat with top hat is lowkey though. It's just a long overcoat

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Need_TLC

Yeah, you'd just look like a fedora tipper, or in this case, a top hat tipper.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Garbage Can Lid
Even in curse dungeons, the difference between 45 and 50 (turns to 712 and 750, unless I'm mistaken) isn't a huge difference. Maybe I should start tuning to 45.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nude_Bikergirl
A race prehuman supermen, basically. Lived in the Labyrinths under Yharnam, were the first to make contact with the Great Ones, seemed to have powers of undeath and fire. Possible nods towards Dark Souls. We don't know what exactly killed them off and left only undead creatures, Elders and Descendants, but it's possible undeath is their beasthood, along with vampiric bloodlickers and gargoyles. Maybe all the actual Pthumerians are long gone and only their undead experiments are left roaming around.

The Pthumerian race is basically the start of everything.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
Why is bl98 optimum for co-op? Is that the highest you can go with being downscaled hard?

Inmate
Inmate

@Crazy_Nice
But Logarius is Pthumerian, isn't he? I presumed some Pthumerians did survive by leaving the Labyrinth and mingling with the new folk. Maria looks not entirely human too.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Crazy_Nice
So there might be some connection between the Vilebloods and the Pthumerians? Vilebloods too, have the theme of undeath along with vampirism and obsession with blood.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Should I bother running the chalices? Are the bosses good?

I finished my first run ignoring them because I heard they suck, but then I found out there's unique bosses down there.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@haveahappyday
The main purpose was to avoid the reddit 150s, but it's possible to go higher, and still avoid them. Split the difference between the 98s and 117s, go for 108. It's low enough that you can dodge the 150s (highest goes to 149), but can get as low as 67.
@Lunatick
Yes, the old blood mentioned is likely Pthumerian blood, what was strictly forbidden. Some others also go into aspects of Cainhurst gargoyles only appearing in Pthumerian dungeons, connections between the two queens, but the majority of that is speculation. More than anything, they share blood the same blood, Cainhurst "borrowed" it.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BinaryMan
This is what Master Willem figured out? "Fear the old blood."? This is probably why they had an aversion towards blood in Byrgenwerth and why they wanted to know more through other means.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TreeEater
Yes.

idontknow
idontknow

@TreeEater
There's more than one unique boss dummy. Also unique enemies, weapons, items, etc.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate
There is a pretty big chance Logarius is a Pthumerian, the Church isn't above dragging them up to use them as guards and shit. All those tall white church guys with staves and guns? Pthumerians. Logarius carries Pthumerian items and his boss theme is shared with Queen Yharnam. I think he's a Pthumerian.

@Lunatick
Absolutely. I think the scholar who stole blood from Byrgenwerth and fled back to Cainhurst took Pthumerian blood, which I assume was already pretty powerful. My theory is they essentially wanted to be Pthumerians, or rival their power, seeing as they were the old royalty of a forgotten civilization. Probably saw it as their birthright or something. Only Pthumerians and people connected to Cainhurst have fire abilities, Maria being one of them, as well as Bloodlickers and Gargoyles only showing up in the Labyrinths and Cainhurst - those are Pthumerian beasts (Hunter's Nightmare, too, but that's probably because Cainhurst people attended Byrgenwerth back in the day and we only have all this eldritch nonsense because of the Pthumerians). The Vilebloods, groomed on Pthumerian blood, didn't turn into wolves like normal humans.

Inmate
Inmate

@TreeEater
They're obligatory if you actually intend on doing serious builds.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BinaryMan
reddit 150s
Why? more people to play with.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate
Don't like how BB handled pvp so I don't think I'll be building anything very serious

Is bloodtinge fun? Might do my 2nd run as tinge, get to Cainhurst early.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA614N3IHD4

iluvmen
iluvmen

cainhurst knight set
maria hunter cap

Name a better outfit

You can't

RumChicken
RumChicken

@iluvmen
for girls, nothing better

cum2soon
cum2soon

@RumChicken
Same for guys

The best looking getup in all of souls

Evilember
Evilember

@iluvmen
@RumChicken
@cum2soon
Hunter Garb (b) is better

eGremlin
eGremlin

@cum2soon
No. Charred set with Yamamura hat for guys, for that ultimate hunter look.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@iluvmen
Cainhurst set + Crown + prettyboi = vileblood prince = most aesthetically pleasing character design.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@eGremlin
wanting to look like a peasant hunter rather than a proper noble Cainhurstian

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Evilember
How about you actually come to FC you prick

I'm not letting a bunch of edgy cunts who disrespect FCs when it's an integral part of /bbg/ culture

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
There is a pretty big chance Logarius is a Pthumerian, the Church isn't above dragging them up to use them as guards and shit. All those tall white church guys with staves and guns? Pthumerians. Logarius carries Pthumerian items and his boss theme is shared with Queen Yharnam. I think he's a Pthumerian.

Loranon is back guys

Evilember
Evilember

@Snarelure
wanting to look like a faggot
but it's not the current year in Bloodborne

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Evilember
he doesn't like the most based era of fashion in history

Granted there's a lot of 1500s in it too, but not enough to ruin that tasty set

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I know this might be kind of old news to some if you but, it's new to me so I figured I'd ask anyway. A German Spy (who worked on the official guide) says the Moon Presence is actually Flora.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnEIczhY0QM
46:20

He says it pretty confidently, like he knows something we don't, but he does nothing to elaborate or explain his position. Is there any reason believe or disbelieve what he is saying?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Raving_Cute
Iirc its made clear in the jap translation.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@eGremlin
seriously. ignore the turboautists and their one true meta. bloodborne matchmaking is dire enough without actively trying to avoid swaths of players.

WebTool
WebTool

the worst thing about Laurence is the fucking walk to get to him. It feels like fucking Groundhog Day; I keep doing the same shit over and over and it's driving me mad.

Why does he have to do so much counter damage? I feel like he does 2x damage to open foes and every other enemy does 1.5x. It is like I am better off not dodging because it is just too risky for my health if I mistime it

eGremlin
eGremlin

Nostalgia aside, is BB the best soulsborne game?

askme
askme

@eGremlin
Yes.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@eGremlin
For me, yes but I always loved the Victorian Lovecraft theme more than the medieval knight stuff from demon souls/dark souls.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Need_TLC
this kills the headcanon

Prove otherwise, user. I mean, I've provided plenty of evidence for my theory, what about you? I never said he WAS, it's just what I think because of all the stuff around it. What evidence is there against him being Pthumerian? Or are you content to sit smug with no argument of your own?

Inmate
Inmate

@w8t4u
lol can you disprove my unfounded assertion? what evidence do you have AGAINST this thing I made up?
you're a really good argyouer

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Need_TLC
How else you you explain why Logarius is 12 feet tall with inhumanly long limbs and claws? Do you think he's a filthy beasts?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

"You're sure to be in a fine haze about now, but don't think too hard about all of this. Just go out and kill a few beasts. It's for your own good. You know, it's just what hunters do!"

I love this piece of dialogue, because it's semi-meta while also being very in character for Gehrman, because this is how the vast majority of people play the game. They just kill shit and don't really pay attention to the story or worldbuilding.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Does the boss of the area have to be alive for the bellringer to appear? What about Nightmare Frontier and the other pvp areas?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Inmate
Wow you sure showed me with those hot facts, I will never post again despite all my points you just don't like, good job

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SomethingNew
M8 we discussed this Shit 10000 times already. Someone should just screenshot the reply debunking this rubbish and post it every time it's brought up.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SomethingNew
Don't feed the faggot goalpost-shifter.

TechHater
TechHater

@Garbage Can Lid
how about you do it if you get so rustled by the discussion

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Illusionz
If you give me high quality garments and weapons for free yes

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

is there any good place to get lots of kawaii doll fan art?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

i only have 12 skill am i just handicapping myself by using the cane

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Gigastrength
Why would anybody use that flimsy feeling piece of shit
It's the only weapon I've never bothered with because it's moveset just feels so powerless.
Fuck that thing, you want a whip use the beast cutter

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@CodeBuns
i cant get close to the cane dudes outside the cathedral ward so i use the whip form and hit them from far

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Dreamworx
they have a parry window the size of your moms asshole just press l2

happy_sad
happy_sad

chalices are so boring
i just want my beast claws

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SniperGod
i know idiot but im not wasting fucking bullets whe i can kill them just as easily

w8t4u
w8t4u

@WebTool
His left-right-left-right swipe attacks are deceptively slow at winding up. He usually kills me in one counter hit with one of those.

I find him to be much easier to fight if you get in really close, then disable lock on so you can walk behind him easily, then just go nuts on his legs until you're out of stamina. You need to take him down fast because the longer you fight him the more chances he has to kill you; he's kinda like Darkbeast in that regard. Also he will get stunned like darkbeast if you keep hitting his legs and head. He is easily 10 times more dangerous at mid range than he is at point blank.

Once he is in his second form I think he is actually easier to deal with. Don't worry too much about the lava he leaks from his ass, just stick to him point blank on his right side (your left) and watch out for his arms. There is one one real attack he can easily hit you with from this position: a horizontal arm swipe. The red lava he barfs out is dangerous though

StonedTime
StonedTime

@SomethingNew
wasting bullets
Nigga there is no other use for bullets until later in the game. The fuck do you have to save them for? By the time they're at their highest use you can buy them with excess echoes.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CodeBuns
I love it. It's stylish and it's damage output is fine, especially when you need serration.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Gigastrength
The cane has lower damage, but it's scaling gets better with more upgrades. You should have some bloodstone shards from Central Yharnan, upgrade your cane a bit.

The cane makes up for lower damage with its range and speed.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@w8t4u
wait people try to fight laurence locked on?

wait people try to fight cleric beast locked on?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StonedTime
saving them for scarier enemies?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@kizzmybutt
I go back and forth all the time. I sometimes lock on when I start swinging, just to make sure the hit connects

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Firespawn
You do know that Reddit cancer push for below 120 for retard reasons while the other reddit shitters go up to 150 for stupidly overpowered shit
oh right you're a self loathing redditard

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

So is the building you explore in Byrgenwerth just Willem's private residence? It's way too small to be a "college".
In that case is the Lecture Hall the actual Byrgenwerth college?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Firespawn
@Nojokur
120 is the meta. There's no specific reason that bloodborne meta should be above or below 120, as compared to dark souls. Lower than 120 is just the exact same builds as 120 except without hitting softcaps, higher than 120 is just 120 builds + vitgouge. 120 is life.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@iluvmen
I never get why Reddit retard push for below 120 "meta"
S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-so y-y-y-you can make sacrifices and still have everything you need!!!!
why exactly?
t-t-t-to avoid t-t-t-the reddit meta at 150!
120 doesn't go to 150, also we have passwords for a reason, though since the same reddit cancers that push for the 98 meta also browse reddit and tell them everything /bbg/ is doing, then you created the problem by not shutting the fuck up

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Stark_Naked
What the fuck do you even get at 120 you don't get at 98?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BunnyJinx
What do you get at 98 you don't get at 120?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Who wants to go though fishing hamlet with me?

WebTool
WebTool

@TalkBomber
Someone here said before that Byrgenwerth might not necessarily be a huge institution, or the rest of Byrgenwerth is collapsed and lost or sucked into the Nightmare. The Byrgenwerth we visit might just be the deanery where Willem lives. Honestly, who knows, but there's gotta be a reason for Byrgenwerth being such a small area in-universe.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Supergrass
just ignore the idiot

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@WebTool
@TalkBomber
Or it may be cut content.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@AwesomeTucker
Sure m8, I could use a break from Dark Souls 2

What's the pass? First lamp?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Pass is salmon
Yea first lamp

Bidwell
Bidwell

@cum2soon
@MPmaster
forgot to reply oops

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Need_TLC
redditard cant disprove post
just continues to be a self-loathing redditard and tells other to go to reddit
everytime

RavySnake
RavySnake

@BunnyJinx
The same as you get in every souls game. 120 lets you hit every softcap you need, or gives you the flexibility to do something unconventional. 100 gives you just enough to make a build work, with no flexibility. Neither require you to make "sacrifices" really.

98 is just salty nonsense.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@MPmaster
@Bidwell
Sorry for the wait! Ringing now!

TreeEater
TreeEater

@RavySnake
in every souls games
100 gives you just enough to make a build work
Wrong

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Spazyfool
well that was gay of me
ill rering

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@RavySnake
You can hit every softcap you need at 98.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Sir_Gallonhead
@RavySnake
sorry but 98 has been the meta here for a long time and its what all our FCs are at, go to reddit FCs if you dont like it here. You're not gonna change it here.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Sir_Gallonhead
It's okay sweety, it's okay.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@StonedTime
Methinks we've got a third co-operator, I haven't been summoned yet, still waiting

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@eGremlin
I don't give a shit about fight clubs.

farquit
farquit

@eGremlin
i've been yelling for the longest to push my reddit meme meta on Veeky Forums and i just got it able to go through dont ruin this for meeee!!
sorry faggot, you can take your rejected retard meta back to whence it came

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@farquit
Oh you're just being a faggot without any real reason, got it. Everyone report and hide.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Boy_vs_Girl
announcing reports
Typical dumb reddit newfags.
Reminder that 120 makes literally everything viable and has always been the series standard, even the beatcutter because you're not at a specific autistic number like 98 like a stupid faggot

likme
likme

Just bought Bloodborne, played a few hours. Unsure on weapons. Any objectively shit tier that wouldn't be worth using? Using the saw spear right now.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

All the 98 meta does is reinforce Skill as the only viable build because it requires the fewest stats.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@likme
Don't EVER use
Threaded GAYne
Reiterpallasch
ChikaGAY HAHA

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Boy_vs_Girl
He's been here since last night too. Fucking sad.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Playboyize
i cant believe we did that first try!
thanks dudes

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@likme
Don't EVER listen to GAY retards like this faggot @Emberburn
He'll probably also tell you that 98 is the actual meta, you'll only be gimping yourself.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@likme
Nope. Every single weapon in Bloodborne is serviceable. Some are better than others, but every one is "viable".

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@PackManBrainlure
@Boy_vs_Girl
Why is this redditard talking to themselves?

Techpill
Techpill

@likme
Unlike Dark Souls, each Bloodborne weapon is unique and equally viable with the right set up. Some are easier to use or build for than others, the Saw Spear is a fantastic weapon with a very good moveset, it's very much a utility weapon. It can carry you through the game no problem. It's the Skill version of the Saw Cleaver, which is more Strength-leaning.

There's a bunch of weapons to play around with, if you go 50str/25skl or vice versa, you'll have access to most weapons laying around and be able to use them all very decently.

One tip: do chalices interspersed with the main game. The gems you find in them will boost your damage greatly, they're an almost integral part of gameplay.

askme
askme

@CouchChiller
Glad to help!

Glad to see Hibiki's back, too, that sly fox.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@GoogleCat
Sorry you can't take a joke, my main build is bl350 and I honestly think bl98 is fucking idiotic so fuck off

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Redditretard
Loranon
One faggot who said he doesn't like chalices

iluvmen
iluvmen

Anyone want to go spelunking? Thinking of making a new FRC Isz.

Techpill
Techpill

looking on mugenmonkey, there are 68 pages of 120 builds, 57 pages of 100 builds, 29 pages of 110 builds, 16 pages of 150 builds, and 14 pages of 98 builds.

98 "meta"

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@ZeroReborn
shitting on lorefags
Lore discussions are fun

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Techpill
Half the 98 pages are Luci

idontknow
idontknow

parry enemy
dash up to riposte
phase through it

King_Martha
King_Martha

@whereismyname
Like what?

farquit
farquit

parry enemy
accidentally hit backstep
panic and immediately dash forward
he recovers
he fucks my TIGHT LITTLE ASS with his BIG BLACK MONSTER COCK

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Alright gun to your head you have to get one item or weapon from bloodborne tattooed on a viable part of your body.

which do you pick?
why?

Simons Bowblade
Looks like a classical dagger tattoo and is a fun ass weapon to use against some of the shittier bosses

Bonus question:
which Rune?

Hunter or Deep Sea

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Carnalpleasure
are you fucking retarded?
tfw replying to a post several hours old

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@farquit
fuck up
get out of the situation with style kinda

@CodeBuns
Kill yourself m8.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CodeBuns
The wheel and Moon

King_Martha
King_Martha

@eGremlin
without a doubt yes.
probably because its the only one ive played :^)

likme
likme

@CouchChiller
curtsy
wtf that looked so cute now i want to new game but with female character insted

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Carnalpleasure
bellringer appears when you ring a sinsister or beckoning bell, except in frontier and mensis where she spawns whenever you do

girlDog
girlDog

this thread
wtf i hate bloodborne now

takes2long
takes2long

@CodeBuns
Clockwise Metamorphosis and be mistaken for a Nazi

Bidwell
Bidwell

@likme
fuck caring about what weaposn to use. enjoy the game for what it is before buying into all this gay meta and "[insert weapon name here] is shit". just level how you want and use what you want. if you enjoy it and want to meme in pvp/co-op then you can make a SL98 build if you want to do the bbg fightclubs or 120 or whatever. dont force anything about what weapons are best that people say here on yourself because its all personal opinion. go and hunt some beasts and may the good blood guide your way

Methshot
Methshot

@lostmypassword
kek
@CodeBuns
hunters mark/symbol thing obviously
@girlDog
get out then fucko

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

so the beast people things, forgot what theyre called, in old yharnam can climb ladders. lets say for a minute this is within lore, wouldn't that mean they still have some trace of humanity left?

massdebater
massdebater

@Methshot
How am I wrong?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Fuzzy_Logic
your mom can climb my ladder fucking idiot

farquit
farquit

@massdebater
what is arcane
what is bloodtinge
what is pure strength

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@BlogWobbles
getting upset over a question

askme
askme

hunters swept through old yharnam after the flames to kill the beasts that remained
they didnt do a very fucking good job

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Fuzzy_Logic
Their technical name is "Beast Patients," and yes, they would have humanity left. Some of it is shown when the uncloaked ones are confronted with a torch, they throw up their "hands" and turn away in fear.

Flameblow
Flameblow

so then why do people get mad over the fact djura protects them if they still have some humanity left

hairygrape
hairygrape

@farquit
All of those are inferior to Skill at 98.
Strength has no visceral damage without 25 skill so it's shit.
Arc and Blt have to gimp Vit, on top of having weak viscerals.

idontknow
idontknow

@Fuzzy_Logic
Yes, but it's just a memory. They'll lose this eventually.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@hairygrape
git gud then. if you struggle with those which im guessing you do seeing as youre crying about it and you need great viscerals then you probably shouldnt be playing the game ;^)

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@King_Martha
you're retarded

Skullbone
Skullbone

@hairygrape
Not that user, but have you ever actually made any of those builds at 98? You can easily reach 50/25 str/skl at 98, and neither arc nor tinge need to gimp vit.

Even disregarding that, you seem to be putting an awful lot of value in viscerals, which you definitely don't need to get kills. Sure, skill is probably the easiest build to make, possibly even the best seeing as it has the Saif and the Saw Spear, but to say that it's the only viable build at 98 is just wrong.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fuzzy_Logic
You there,Hunter!

Didn't you see the warning? Turn back at once,Old Yharnam, burned and abandoned by men, is now home only to beasts. They are of no harm to those above. Turn back, or the hunter will face the hunt.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@BunnyJinx
oh no i cant think of any counter points, may aswell revert to my autistic tendencies and just say "you're retarded"

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

literally nobody rings the small bell but me in Pthumeru
am I overleveled or underleveled?
Ringan at the three fat fucks in the Lower Pthumeru, BL52, no pass.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Skullbone
You can easily reach 50/25 str/skl at 98
I mean, if by "easily" you mean "only just".

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Garbage Can Lid
That shit doesn't work with no pass because nobody can get in via srrc.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Snarelure
this build is objectively advantaged at this level
lol git gud scrub
you're retarded

5mileys
5mileys

Does the short root chalice only put you in random co-op root chalices or does it include story chalices?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
if you mean only just
but it can still be done you dumbass

Techpill
Techpill

@Garbage Can Lid
because nobody can get in via srrc
Why not?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
Ignoring endurance, starting as Military Veteran allows you to hit 45 vit with 50/25 and still have a handful of levels to put into whatever else you want. There's not a ton of wiggle room, but you can still make it, and even if it's "only just," it still works, so why does it matter?

askme
askme

@Spamalot
There's only one meta build anyway, might as well pick the level where the mirror matches between the meta builds are the best.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Spamalot
the fuck are you on about you silly meme.please switch off your autism.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Techpill
Because we will get 2 million other faggots that ring without pass but not you.

askme
askme

having issues with internet so my PS4 is offline
try to play bloodborne (which I own on disk) because it's mostly an offline game
boot up the game
hit play offline
get a message saying "Unable to locate Bloodborne: The Old Hunters DLC. This saves data cannot be used until the DLC is downloaded again."
The fuck?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@SniperWish
Yeah and then that's pretty much it. Your build is a 50 strength 25 skill build, and there's absolutely nothing else to it.

That's basically the point. 98 allows you to put together a handful of cookie cutter builds and nothing more.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@haveahappyday
2 million
But online in BB is dead. I've been ringing there for ten minutes already, and nobody came.
Oh well, I've changed it to "bbg". Hopefully you replying to me implies you actually wanted to help.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@iluvmen
So what? A 120 build doesn't have any more options than a 98 build, and overleveling doesn't change the fact that the Saif and Saw Spear are the only weapons that matter in PvP.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Poker_Star
Filename related. Maybe some weener will join you. If not just play through the dlc or maingame and come back later.

happy_sad
happy_sad

is there a recurring riff or something in the game because I swear there's parts of Living Failure's theme that sound similar to Ludwig's

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BunnyJinx
I can solo it, but I just find being locked in a tiny room with three fat pthumerian molesters a bit discomforting.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BlogWobbles
Saif and Saw Spear are the only weapons that matter in PvP
wat?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Okay, Im on the verge of dropping this shitty fucking game

how in the god damn mother of christ fuck am I supposed to beat this Byrgenwerth Hunter cunt? I just got done facing a boss, why do I have to put up with this cheap bullshit so soon after? also, parrying is a scam. it NEVER works against her

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Bidwell
@Poker_Star
It is done, thanks for the help. Goodnight, /bbg/.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Lord_Tryzalot
If you wear a church set like Papa G and use the Pray gesture she becomes friendly. Need to equip one of the church chestpieces before entering the mansion

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Lord_Tryzalot
Oh I can't wait until you fight the actually hard hunter NPCs... hee hee...

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nude_Bikergirl
well memed

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Lord_Tryzalot
Stay to her sides, back off when she creates the mist, stay away from the tentacles, disengage and run like hell if she summons dozens of little white orbs of light. Try summoning Damian if you can, right near the big door. Don't fish for parries, you won't be able to get the timing.
If you're having this much trouble with Yurie...see you soon, when you visit Crowsteel, or the three amigos in Yahar'gul.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Lord_Tryzalot
Qait for her to use AoE and dogde to the side/ diagonally and give her a few attacks. I also liked blunderbuss against other hoonters.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Supergrass
Rude.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

How alive is the game in terms of random PvE and PvP right now?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Nude_Bikergirl
@Booteefool
@Emberburn
@BlogWobbles

well, I beat her thanks to Damian. Now Im ready to do some exploring... hopefully I dont have to deal with another boss fight soon...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sharpcharm
Oh boy, are you in for fun.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Sharpcharm
Have fun down in that lake! Do you like spiders?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Gigastrength
It got a good amount of new blood during the holidays.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BunnyJinx
What if I'm the new blood myself?
What about PvP hotspots? Current BL meta? I remember visiting these threads a while ago and people were all up for bl98 stuff, but now things seem to have changed. Is there maybe some midgame medium-level bracket where I could still get some player action, be it peeveepee or peveeee?

idontknow
idontknow

@Stark_Naked
43 for twinking in the forest
around 50 60 for nightmare frontier
anything between 98 and 117 for fightclubs and normal pvp

Soft_member
Soft_member

Bloodborne more like badborne

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Soft_member
Fucking savage

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Soft_member
I'm deleting my saves and selling my PS4 now.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Oh sweet I just beat Gehrman on NG++ using fists (kos parasite w/o milkweed; 360 AR arcane dmg)

I knocked his old ass out

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Soft_member
tfw Brad Bourne

hairygrape
hairygrape

Bloodborne more like bloodborne

TechHater
TechHater

@kizzmybutt
I knew a dude that had bourne as his surname

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@kizzmybutt
Bad Japanese English translations are fucking hilarious

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@kizzmybutt
Tfw you hunted

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@hairygrape
tfw bloodbourne

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Soft_member
:[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@kizzmybutt
I'm going to make a generic Hunter build with this name using the default cover outfit

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Crazy_Nice
With a Saw Cleaver and Blunderbuss.

farquit
farquit

@TreeEater
wrong general

I was it was acceptable to post about DS3 online stuff here because no one in /dsg/ owns a damn ps4

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@farquit
How does ds3 concept art have anything to do with ps4.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@whereismyname
The scarier enemies that can't be parried or the scarier enemies that will push your shit in because you haven't been practicing the parry mechanics?

Methshot
Methshot

@Lord_Tryzalot
this mad over Yurie
Sell the game before you break it in half over what's to come. Yurie isn't difficult at all compared to what comes next.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@farquit
there's a bunch of peps with ps4s on dsg, just ask lad

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Nude_Bikergirl
I love people like you
only because I've been meme'd before and I found it funny

StonedTime
StonedTime

@farquit
better go back the way you came boy :^)

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methshot
tfw your gun is so OP it has exhaust pipes

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

can never get the "searching for chime of resonant bell" message to pop up past the initial ring

Does this mean my online is fucked? ivd already restarted my ps4 like 3 times

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
Are you part of the League? iirc if you have the covenant rune equipped it wont show the message but it still searches

RavySnake
RavySnake

those 3 hunters in unseen village make me want to kill myself desu

hardest thing in the game for me so far. im level 50-- am i just too weak? going to this area seemed like the natural progression in the story (dont know where else to go)

ive tried cheesing them, etc. even managed to nearly kill one 'legit', but they all rushed/stunlocked me and i quit. what do.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@RavySnake
Pass?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
Sounds like you're too weak or approaching them badly. I haven't had a problem with them since first playthrough.

Did you go through Hypogeon Gaol, and open the side doors, before you killed Rom?

If you did, you the side doors to go around the building and come up from underneath. You can get a free backstab on the Hunter waiting on the stairs, and can possibly kill him before the other two even get there to help.

After that, retreating down the hallway usually either gets them stuck on eachother, or they'll leash and be unable to follow.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RavySnake
They don't respawn, so you can kill them one after another. Maybe you missed some optional areas that could give you some echoes or equipment. Maybe you just need to gitgud.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I think I'm stuck on the Queen Yharnam. I chain back stabbed her and she went out of bounds during her death animation. But it still says she's alive.

No matter how many times I attack the wall, she won't die. She's probably taken an extra 10k damage already.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Burnblaze
@kizzmybutt
also known as Brad Vaughan

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BinaryMan
Bold Hunters Mark

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@FastChef
Oh yea I am in the league, I guess I've never used beckoning in it before. I managed to get summoned through a resonant in another area so I guess I'll just ring more

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Soooo I beat that Undead Guardian Fire Dog in the first Phtemulu Chalice Dungeon. Does that mean Im done with that dungeon?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RavySnake
you can cheese them really easily on the stairs going down to the jail cells. They will all be aggro'd at you but they will only be able to come at you in almost a single file line. Just let them walk into your charged R2s. Sometimes the ones in the back will get stuck momentarily, or try going around the other side of the staircase, which gives you an opportunity to stunlock and kill one of them with a flurry of R1 attacks.

Alternatively, you can just race them out the front door of the church and go left to the shortcut elevator, and they will all fall down the elevator shaft as you smugly ride it up to the the main Yahar'Gul lamp

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BlogWobbles
yes. You might have missed some chests that contained ritual materials but you should be fine to go to the next chalice.

Methshot
Methshot

@PurpleCharger
Okay...

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

anyone wanna help me give chalice rom the business? Pass is bbg

RavySnake
RavySnake

Hey guys I've been playing through my first playthrough of bloodborne and feel like I've spread my stats to thin pls help me out guys
Starting class was lone survivor
Level 95
Vit 35
End 25
Strg 38
Skl 20
bld 20
Arc 7
I just started dlc been using a +9 saw cleaver and a +10 Lhb. I have ok gems that I've gotten from chalice dungeons so far but I'm bout to start lower pthmeru labyrinth if anyone would like too help. I'm trying to open more chalices to be able to farm blood chunks and good bloodgems

Also would it be possible to use the holy moonlight sword with this character or would it just be lackluster with my stats

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@VisualMaster
this is my first playthrough. and yeah i usually start off by backstabbing the guy on the stairs, but it barely does any significant health, there's no way i can quickly kill him before he calls the others (guessing this indicates im too weak in comparison)
@New_Cliche
yeah i figure from fighting the other hunters, been trying to focus one down solely. in regards to equipment-- im still using the base starting wep, albeit upgraded (+7 cleaver now), is this a 'bad' thing? are some weapons just straight up more powerful? i figure given that each weapon is unique (ie you dont have a cleaver that's better than another cleaver), that they'd all be equally damaged...
@Soft_member
thanks. gonna try a few more times properly, but if i do resort to the elevator cheese, will i be able to pick up anything they drop (if they do drop anything?)

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@RavySnake
your build is messed up so just try to enjoy the game and know that you can be more optimal with the next character you make

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@StrangeWizard
Got you

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TalkBomber
No saw cleaver is good. If you get stomped by the hunters either your build is bad or you just have to get faster and more precise.

Evilember
Evilember

Which jump is more bullshit?

Mensis elevator to Brain
DS2 Ruin Sentinels shortcut

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

SRRCing
Get summoned by a guy who needs help with that room with 1000 spiders in ailing loran before the BSB
Host just has a seat and expects me to wade through the spiders that have been piling up for 20 minutes before I showed up
Lead all the spiders to where he is and he dies
Get summoned by him again, this time we go to the boss
Walk around punching the boss with my fists for 5 minutes while he sits again
Get blanked
Summoned again
This time I lead BSB to him and he gets gibbed because he's stuck in the sitting animation
Receive this

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RavySnake
It's not entirely doomed; the strength/skill distribution is halfway decent for something that scales well with both, like the weapons you're using now, and the 35 Vit and 25 End should probably last you the rest of the playthrough. However, leveling Bloodtinge was a mistake on your part, unless you're going to be using guns heavily or blood-based weapons. The HMS would be rather difficult, seeing how low your Arc is.

farquit
farquit

@Fuzzy_Logic
Last message from him says "And you don't understand that. Fuck yourself"

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Fuzzy_Logic
Kek he deserved it

WebTool
WebTool

@StrangeWizard
Kek what a clusterfuck

Firespawn
Firespawn

@AwesomeTucker
Heroic Spider Chases Down Criminal on the Run

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@AwesomeTucker
Kek what the fuck

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fuzzy_Logic
I GOT HIM AGAIN AND HE TURNED OFF HIS CONSOLE. DIDN'T EVEN BLANK ME JUST HIT THE POWER BUTTON

I'm just going to the dungeon to fuck with him now

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Convince me to switch to the spear

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evilember
to be honest that elevator has been hanging before Micolash room and picking my attention, I was pissed when I went downstairs and there was nothing there but messages. Dropping brain was other story, but again, checking every elevator for hidden passages is natural. Sentinels were marked with info.

WebTool
WebTool

@Evil_kitten
i don't care what you do you're supposed to be an adult and take your own decisions

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@AwesomeTucker
To the ends of the Earth, I tell you

Nojokur
Nojokur

@WebTool
?
Everyone praises the spear
I want to know why
Don't know what you're on about

5mileys
5mileys

@Emberfire
there's fanart of this fucker
it's pretty badass

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@happy_sad
Toss Shiny Coins around him while imminent death approaches.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RavySnake

Polish off your strength to 50, get skill to 25, and you've got a good strength-leaning quality build; good for your saw, also great for hunter axe, beast cutter and whirligig. You can then go for 40+ vit. Maybe get tinge to 25 after that and you can use gatling/cannon for funsies.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

3rd times the charm, thanks oh I've got spurs that jingle jangle

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SomethingNew
Anytime

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys
Crowsteel is the strongest NPC enemy in all Souls games, of course he has loads of fanart. Especially if you consider his psh nothing personnel teleporting and Katana.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Illusionz
What amazes me is that they never let him gesture after killing you. Then again, I think people would be even more ass-blasted over him if they did.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Fuzzy_Logic
Should have saved a vid and made a WebM

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Nude_Bikergirl
I can only imagine the anal anguish if he randomly cycled between Brush Off Dust, Shake Off Cape and Approval.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Need_TLC
Even better, Respect. Bringing him down past half health yields Respect, anything above half is Shake Off Cape.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Illusionz
You don't gesture when you stomp a bug though. You're just not worth it.

Inmate
Inmate

can a fellow hunter help me with ludwig, please? BL 66 im ringing right in front of the boss arena. i have the league rune etched.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Inmate
I'm guessing you're new. You're gonna need to use a passcode in network options to get anyone from here to connect to you.

Bidwell
Bidwell

you can instafuck ludwig in 30 seconds with +10 cleaver, bbp and paper

you learn so much from watching speedruns huh

TreeEater
TreeEater

@ZeroReborn
i got him solo. its cool

TechHater
TechHater

@TreeEater
You could have brought Valtr along for the ride, with that League rune of yours. He's an absolute tank, the strongest summon in the game, and up there across all the games.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Nojokur
Serrated in both forms
Has a thrust attack

Flameblow
Flameblow

@cum2soon
Best set in Souls is the Fluted Armour Set from DeS. No matter my build I always go enough END up fast roll in it because it just looks so cool.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Flameblow
Well, well, how did a /dsg/ user get here. Ahh, it's no matter. What brings you to /bbg/?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@AwesomeTucker
des
dsg
oh please

takes2long
takes2long

@New_Cliche
I don't give a shit about FC's

Then why do you care even the slightest about the 98 meta. It's used exclusively for FC's, coop range is gigantic and passwords exist so if you arnt pvping no one here will care if you go to 120, it will only make a difference because you'll get downscaled more often when cooping in main-game or early Chalice's.

Considering we have absolute madmen asking for help on Defiled Watchdog at bl10 and not warning anyone, that's not really an issue either.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@takes2long
Is 108 considered acceptable for the FC's? I've usually played at 110 and gotten summons. It seems close enough to 98 to not make much of a difference.

5mileys
5mileys

What does it mean if I get summoned by SRRC into the lantern room but neither door is open?

5mileys
5mileys

@5mileys
The host is fucking off somewhere in the pre-dungeon bonus area. Unless it's an FRC dungeon, you might as well just blank out, maybe go pull the lever if you're feeling nice.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Playboyize
even the beatcutter

That's probably the worst example you could have chosen. It's a Pure STR weapon. A Beastcutter build is 50 VIT, 50 STR and as much END as you want.

I have a bl100 build (98 triggers the autism) with 50/16/50/14/10/10 and I have a positive win ratio using the Beast Cutter. I could be just as effective by culling points from BLT, ARC and SKL.

Where would I even go at 120? 25 SKL to make a jack of all trades build even jackier of all tradesier? Still 9 points left? 18 ARC for Augur Backstabs and other tools? One extra point in END?

Everything past 100 is a luxury on any build that's not a Moonlight Sword build.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Whats a fun thing to do in Bloodborne when you are drunk?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@hairygrape
How often do you visceral in PVP?

And even so Heavy Abyysal gems add STR scaling to Viscerals, so even at 14 SKL I can hit over 2k on a party (against an enemy, a player is less)

@BunnyJinx
108 is fine, people go to 117 and we tolerate them.

cum2soon
cum2soon

if you get summoned for micolash, can you ruin the bossfight completely for the host by making mico run away from the boss room?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@whereismyname
Playing it

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

try using a variety of weapons
keep coming back to Hunters Axe

man, I just love the one-handed mode too tucking much. Also, what the fuck does skill even do? I dumped some points into it thinking it would make my LHB stronger

WebTool
WebTool

@whereismyname
Character creation, if you can navigate it. Also dungeons.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Evil_kitten
people go to 117 and we tolerate them
we
Speak for yourself faggot, many people in theFCs have been 120s at some point,stop forcing ur shit reddit 98 meta already

takes2long
takes2long

@Lord_Tryzalot
Skill is just dexterity by another name, stuff like the threaded cane, saif, and Reiter scale off of it rather than strength

Methshot
Methshot

what BL does nightmare frontier pvp typically happen? I figure I should enjoy it some before I kill amy for the chalice

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@5mileys
I'm not surprised he has fanart, what surprises me is the quality of some of his fanart

People really seem to like crowsteel, he's like BB's version of the Legend

Skullbone
Skullbone

@whereismyname
DUDE ALCOHOL LMAO

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@BlogWobbles
You mean when everything has been discussed to death already?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Crazy_Nice
Legend
one is a meme forced by PCucks who had no idea what the meta was like for dark souls, the other is a legit tough npc fight, learn the difference fag

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Spamalot
98
reddit
Your new is showing

SniperWish
SniperWish

Queen Annalise will never be a hidden bossfight
You will never get her dress and helmet for killing her

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SniperWish
More than anything, I just want to see what's under that helmet. Whatever it is, it can't be fully human.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Nude_Bikergirl
Replying to him
Fucking kill yourself newfag

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Crazy_Nice
The Legend only worked against newer players. Crowsteel stomps all players equally, just some more than others.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

doing arc build
using saw spear until i get 50 arc and proper gems for wheel
just started dlc at bl80
ludwig time, expect to get shit on
pop bbp and fire paper and prepare my anus
end up killing ludwig in 30 seconds without getting hit

Is there any point in using ANYTHING but the memesaw? This thing is broken as fuck no matter what build.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

crowsteel tanks my swing and pegs me with a shot to the head
fuck

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Firespawn
But user, we know what she looks like under the mask

idontknow
idontknow

@Emberburn
replying to him
him
Don't you mean "me" :^)

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CodeBuns
we shouldn't, not cause he's right but because he is in fact harmless if he's confined to old yharn honesty thought the fucker blindsides you with a goddamn MG turret and his butt buddy down below

massdebater
massdebater

@TurtleCat
not silver hair
ruined

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TurtleCat
I know. I just wanted something a little more extravagant.

massdebater
massdebater

@Lord_Tryzalot
parrying is a scam
literally how I beat her, git good
also burn through your stockpile of poison knives, let the DoT do it's job

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

tfw just beat Darkeast Paarl on my first try

uhhhh was this an optional boss? I was just fucking around and he came out of nowhere. also, am I shitter if I call those AI Hunters? i figure they are there, so I might as well use them

girlDog
girlDog

Pls level 97 here need help with bloodletting beast if anyone wants to help lemme know you can set your password to "hyperlens"

Not his maggot form

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Was there a sale or something? This thread has been especially toxic, even by the new post-reddit-event toxicity starndard.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Ignoramus
You're not. Summons just add an element. And you can now talk to Djura, run to his tower from the Darkbeast lamp without harming any enemies, Paarl was optional.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Ignoramus
paarl is either max bullshit or max ez with like no inbetween
honestly one of the worst bosses in soulsborne

Illusionz
Illusionz

Valtr can totally tank Ludwig, it's just insane.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@girlDog
omw

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TalkBomber
I've read and watched all lore info under the sun and still find it fun. BB's lore is obscure as fuck and people have a lot of different ideas. Even if they're not viable and easily disprove I still enjoy hearing those.

Sure beats faggots arguing about what the best BL is.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Booteefool
Ok code Is hyperlen

Nojokur
Nojokur

got grabbed three times by brainsuckers
Fucking hate these things

hairygrape
hairygrape

Pardon the shitty pic.

Am I already too far gone to go after an Arcane Tonitrus build? Im at Rom now.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@hairygrape
You're never gonna get it to fit in a 98, no.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@hairygrape
Yes
Just start over, rom is nothing

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@iluvmen
Still ringing?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Why do people here care so much about BL?

Bidwell
Bidwell

What is the reason for the meta staying at 98? Why not 100 or something?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Poker_Star
Just beat him. Bout to head over to Ludwig probably tho

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Bidwell
Because most builds are done by 98 (@Lunatick
)

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@w8t4u
it's just one user throwing a shit fit

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Bidwell
With everyone arguing between 98 and 117, I decided to split the difference at 108. It leaves room for two 50s, and dodges the 150+ shitters.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I really want to use the HLMGS on my arcane build but do i need the 25 str?

Also is it worth to go past 50 arcane for the tools? I mainly do co-op and don´t care much about pvp, how is co-op at bl 117?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

If I want to be a fag with the blue elixir are there any clothes that make it less visible than it already is?

What's the best way to one hit someone by surprise?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Bidwell
@SniperGod

Can i make a new character while still being at the same point in a game?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@w8t4u
Everyone wants to feel smugly superior in some way. Just ignore them as best you can.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@StonedTime
No.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@StonedTime
No but now that you know what you're doing you can beat the game in like 3 hours

hairygrape
hairygrape

Why does the saif do half my health in damage? Is this just a some cheese build that everyone exploits or is the saif just OP

TechHater
TechHater

@New_Cliche
@Methnerd

fuck me... what % of the game am I through at Byrgenwerth? Are there any good ARC weapons I can use until I get the Tony? Really dont want to start over

RumChicken
RumChicken

@hairygrape
Both

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TechHater
Halfway if you don't count the optional areas. You can get to burgertown by sprinting through to Gherman>Amelia>Shadows and you're there providing you can kill the bosses efficiently

TechHater
TechHater

Anybody want to help me with the story version of Lower Pthumeru depth 3? Glyph jjph pass bbg. Ringing at first lantern depth 3.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TechHater
Ring a ding at the lamp

@RumChicken
Any reliable counters?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@New_Cliche
Not Gherman, Gascoigne

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fuzzy_Logic
Gun parry if you think you can manage it. If they're using the short form (incredibly fast), stay at a distance to pick at them, but the dash R1 on that form can close the distance in a snap. Keep them away, and if you get hit by the first swipe, you'll probably be locked into the next four or five.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@New_Cliche
You forget you need to do either cleric or BSB

WebTool
WebTool

@New_Cliche

Is a full Arcane build ever worth it? I dont really care about PVP. I know the Tonitrus has awful durability, but I love how fast and powerful it is.

Are there any good early ARC weapons?

TechHater
TechHater

@TurtleCat
what happens if you don't? I've never actually skipped them

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TechHater
You can't access Amelia. You need BSB for the elevator and Cleric for the Mark

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fuzzy_Logic
Are you ringing?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@hairygrape
@TechHater
If you're this worried about builds on first playthrough (and most people will tell you you ought not be), don't level up scaling stats past their requisites to use the weapon you want to use. You'll get more benefit from upgrading the weapon and putting those levels into a "nonperishable" stat like Vit.

@WebTool
Is a full Arcane build ever worth it?
Yes. 50Arcane is one of the most versatile builds in the game, and the Hunter Tools are pretty good.

Are there any good early ARC weapons?
Tonitrus.

FastChef
FastChef

@WebTool
That is the good early arc weapon. It's probably the most varied lategame because you can use anything you want with gems and you get all the rad spells but earlygame mage builds in from games eat dick until midgame when they become awesome

@Evil_kitten
Yes pass bbg on 3rd floor lower pthu right at the lamp

SniperWish
SniperWish

@DeathDog
oh right, forgot about that gate

King_Martha
King_Martha

Is 80 arcane an okay stopping point? Any further and it's going to cut into my HP. Yes, I'm using tools.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Dreamworx
If you want high level coop stop at 136 or 137 so you can play with 98 memers and have loads of stamina

TreeEater
TreeEater

@King_Martha
70 is a softcap for tiny tony and acb, 80 is for the smaller ones I think

Methnerd
Methnerd

@FastChef
It doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I'm new to the whole chalice thing.

5mileys
5mileys

@Methnerd
Switch password to "bbg1" and set your connection to worldwide. Are you sure you're in the room with the crossroad and the mini-rom spider?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@5mileys
I switched the pass.

I'm not in that room at all. When you go down the elevator into layer 3 there's a lantern right away. I'm there.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Bidwell
Oh theres your problem go to the second one I can't meet you at the first one. Pass is still bbg1

Skullbone
Skullbone

@CouchChiller
Wait jk there is no first one. What boss did you JUST beat?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@iluvmen
@FastChef

What stats should I be bumping up first then as I level up? And which weapon should I use til I get the Tonitrus?

Sorry I have a lot of questions, but if Im going to start over I want to have as much info as possible, since I had immense issues with Gascoigne and Amelia.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Skullbone
I just beat undead giant. He had chains for the first time.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@PackManBrainlure
The saw is your best bet to speedrun, abuse the transform attacks. And as for leveling just get health/arc and just enough str/skl to use whichever weapons you want. Str/arc has more options so you'd probably want to lean toward str.

@TurtleCat
Are you ringing the beckoning bell?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Gigastrength
Yep.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PackManBrainlure
I generally get to 30Vit ASAP and ignore everything else. If I'm planning on using Kirkhammer or HMLS I may get to 16/12 Str/Skl as I level Vit. After that I get End where I want it; usually 15. Then I finish Vit as I pump the rest of the important scaling stat(s) to 50.

Any starter weapon you like is fine, but Saw Spear and Saw Cleaver are objectively the best.

You can get Tonitrus immediately after killing BSB, so it isn't like you need to plan a lot.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Gigastrength
This isn't working. Thanks for trying though, bud.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx

Dumb fucking question... but if Im aiming towards ARC then that would be considered my inportant scaling stat? Arent I going to do piss-weak damage if I just pump shit into VIT as well? Thanks for answering btw.

likme
likme

So I'm working on a str/arc build. My str is at 26(went one over by accident but not broken up about it) now I'm gonna focus on arc. So should I put my only current fire gem into my hammer, or am I better off using lots of fire paper?

I've been told that the fire paper stacks arc/fire damage onto my weapon, but a gem will just convert it entirely too arc/fire therefore wasting all my strength points... is that correct?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fuzzy_Logic
Yep just expect to suck til the tonitrus, the vit will keep you alive so the fights will be longer but you'll be fine

@likme
Yep thats why you go for base stats. Str arc is for the Moonsword

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Fuzzy_Logic
Like I mentioned, you're gonna get more AR by upgrading the Tonitrus than by putting a couple points into Str and Arc.

If you want to then obviously there's no reason you can't level them all in tandem. Do +2-5/1/1 per level up or something if you like. You do you.

On the way to +10 scaling won't be great, and you won't have great gems to capitalize on the damage, so Vit, to me, is a better investment, at least until 30 or your weapon is +6.

Your next question might be "Where do I stop leveling?"

My adice is Cruel Fate: 41/15/25/12(in case you want to use HMLS or another weapon. If you're sure you won't, ignore it)/5/50

Soft_member
Soft_member

I'm hoping to have better luck with somebody else.

Lower Pthumerian Labyrinth level 3, story chalice, ringing directly before Rom. Pass is bbg. Glyph is jjph

Please send help

FastChef
FastChef

@happy_sad
Yep just expect to suck til the tonitru
He only has to kill two bosses, the first of whick is impossible to overprep for making "suck" a moot point, and the other can be vaporized in 30 seconds by Beastblood Pellets and Fire Paper on any buikd.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Deadlyinx

What stats are those Cruel Fate numbers? Im really leaning towards starting over, but I want to be 100% sure. Thank you again so much for answering mate

girlDog
girlDog

@Lunatick
Here ya go.

If you don't care about being BL98 just pump Vit to 45 or 50. Much more survivability in late game for just a couple levels.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@girlDog

Thank you so much dude. Im gonna do it. LAST fucking question-- what weapon should I be aiming for after the Tony?

Hope I dont look like too much of a loser for starting over halfway through my first playthrough -_- thanks again everyone for dealing with my newfaggotry

eGremlin
eGremlin

@CouchChiller
Not the other user, but the Holy Moonlight Sword and the Logarius Wheel are good otions, also the Kos Parasyte, but thats pretty late in.
The Holy Moonlight is probably the best one I found myself using.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@FastChef
still need halp?
or did hibiki swoop in and save the day like he/she always does :^)
i love you hibiki

massdebater
massdebater

@CouchChiller
At 25/12/50 you're set to use Logarius' Wheel, Holy Moonlight Sword, Tonitrus, and almost any convertible weapon you want. I think the only few you can't use with 12 Skl are Church Pick, Rakuyo, and possibly Stake Driver.

Hope I dont look like too much of a loser for starting over halfway through my first playthrough -_-
Bloodborne isn't the kind of game you play through once. Many of us have restarted for the same reason, or wholly trivial ones, like minute character appearance changes.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@eGremlin

HLMS is a DLC weapon

time to kill myself

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@massdebater
isnt 25/50 worse than 50/25 though on hlms?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Skullbone
Dude... the DLC is amazing, you owe it to yourself to get it. It brings so many amazing weapons, tools, areas, bosses, and even more Lore! You owe it to yourself man, get the DLC, you will not be disappointed.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@BunnyJinx
Uh, no?

HMLS deals primarily physical damage in both forms, yes. However, its main draw, the thing that makes it not LHB, are its beam attacks, which draw from Arc and have big modifiers.

If you were going to use the HMLS untricked and R2 everything, yeah, 50/25 is better. If you want to use both forms and especially the beams, 25/50 is a fair compromise. The untricked form is still godly anyway.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche

Does it flow into the maingame seamlessly?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Anybody down for chalice Rom?

bbg at the fog/ SRRC

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nude_Bikergirl
Perfectly

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Crazy_Nice
I thought Loran and Isz were both older than Pthumeria.

RavySnake
RavySnake

what would be a good background for gif related

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BinaryMan
Yes, the old blood mentioned is likely Pthumerian blood, what was strictly forbidden. Some others also go into aspects of Cainhurst gargoyles only appearing in Pthumerian dungeons, connections between the two queens, but the majority of that is speculation. More than anything, they share blood the same blood, Cainhurst "borrowed" it.
I could swear I read item text stating that they're offshoots of Pthumeria and Willem proved it.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@RavySnake
Your life

SniperGod
SniperGod

@iluvmen
;^)

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Nude_Bikergirl
Storywise, yeah it clears up a lot of stuff.

Gameplay wise it's basically a side path that you can do any time after Amelia, but it's balanced to be done near the end of the playthrough. It's ideal to do it after Micolash.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@eGremlin
Yes.
If we include nostalgia, DeS is best.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@happy_sad
Alfred specifically mentions that a scholar brought the blood from the tombs to Cainhurst Castle, creating the Vilebloods. They're a result of the Pthumerians and their blood, not direct descendants. There might be certain item text, but I remember this from Alfred's lore bits.

Emberfire
Emberfire

VILEKEKS

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@likme
There are some weapons that are far better at PvP than PvE.
In my experience, threaded cane, beasthunter saif, and Chikage are those weapons.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Garbage Can Lid
threaded cane
imo its one of the best pve weapons, but thats just me. especially when it gives the best visceral damage in the game when its in its tricked form

eGremlin
eGremlin

@PurpleCharger
@Crazy_Nice
What's the legend? Haveldad + bass cannon?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Evilember
DS2 Ruin Sentinels shortcut
I had no idea that could be legitimately jumped, always thought it was a troll.
So I guess that answers the question.

Methshot
Methshot

DeS
DaS
into old yharnam it goes

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@eGremlin
Are you new? The Legend (or Giantdad) was basically the ultimate shitter in the souls games, a shitter strategy of such unmatched shitterness that it became part of the games very lore.

Basically, mask of the father + giant set + chaos Zweihander + black flame pyromancy + grass crest shield on back

And don't forget ring of favour and havels, wat r u? Casul?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Lord_Tryzalot
Also, what the fuck does skill even do? I dumped some points into it thinking it would make my LHB stronger
LHB is quality, right? It should scale off STR and SKL in roughly equalish amounts.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Boy_vs_Girl
Pthumeru I'm pretty sure is the oldest, Isz I think is a part of the Pthumerian civilization, Isz is mentioned as being its own land, it has the biggest concentration eldritch fuckery. It has undeads and stuff, whereas Loran has beasts. Pthumerians seem to become Bloodlickers and Gargoyles via the blood, whereas humans become werewolves, which by this logic would make Loran younger since Pthumerians are pre-human. But then again, Bloodletting beast appears in Pthumerian chalices. Its weird, to be honest, but that's just how it comes off to mw.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Dreamworx
Are you new?
Played Soulsborne since 2010, never paid attention to the community.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

would you have joined the hunt /bbg/?

FastChef
FastChef

I just finished the pthumeru story chalices. What now? Can I go for decent gems yet?

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
i bet you felt super fucking cool typing all that out.

girlDog
girlDog

How does weapon AR/gems affect visceral attacks? And if i'm going for big viscerals on a weapon, say threaded cane, I would just slot 27.2%s?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Burnblaze
Which hunt?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@GoogleCat
the beast hunt

Skullbone
Skullbone

How to farm quick insight? I need them chunks.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@GoogleCat
The only one that matters

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Skullbone
Low-level dungeons and the bosses in them. At higher levels, you'd have to wade through more enemies than you'd like to get to the floor boss, should be faster this way. If you want someone to come with you, you could summon me, if you want.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Fried_Sushi
Sure! How do you recommend we go about it?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Dreamworx
tfw it became such big meme that typing "he's back" into Google makes Giantdad video the first result.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Illusionz
Do whatever root dungeon you want, send it to me, and set a password. With the two of us, you could go for higher-level dungeons, but don't waste too many materials. Hopefully we have more connection luck than others have been having.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Emberfire
not him, but have there been know connection issues as of late?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Raving_Cute
Some people earlier in the thread were trying to connect, but it may be the connection on their end. I haven't personally seen any.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Emberfire
6ez66h8u pass is bbg

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@GoogleCat
No whiches, just beasts

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
Same guy, make a root dungeon and send me the glyph (little letter/number combination in the bottom right corner). We can try for voice chat, if you think that would help. I haven't fully prepared my Tomb Prospector cosplay, but I'll bring the closest thing I have.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@hairygrape
Brooks? Ring by the first lamp, Kozak of Loran if this went the way it's supposed to.

farquit
farquit

@hairygrape
Kozak again, ring in the corridor outside of the first lamp, make sure your settings are worldwide.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@DeathDog
Yes and I'm ringing as close to the entrance as its letting me

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TreeEater
Yeah, I think I saw your outline. Still nothing.

WebTool
WebTool

@Illusionz
I'm getting fogwalls

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@girlDog
Weapon has no effect on Viscerals* but buffs applied to the weapon do.

Viscerals are unconvertable thrust damage, so when using an elemental weapon you still deal physical (thrust) damage on Viscerals. This means that any effect that boosts generic physical or specifically thrust damage works on Viscerals. 27% Temperings work, 32.6% Thrust gems work, 9% + 27% at low HP gems work (when on low hp), Besst/Kin gems work on relevent enemies. You get the idea. Blunt gems and fire/bolt/arcane do nothing. Beast Blood Pellets also work.

Viscerals have S+ scaling in SKL, no scaling in any other stat. Scaling gems work, Heavy Gems add STR scaling and Sharp gems add SKL scaling. Warm and Cold gems technically work, but since it's Thrust damage even with S arcane scaling you are still multiplying bY 0 base elemental damage.

*weapons base stats (including scaling) don't mean anything, but weapon buffs do. For example Wheel and Toni get incressed ARC scaling when tricked, this technically adds it to Viscerals as well but as previously mentioned it does nothing. Threaded Cane adds 0.15 SKL scaling when tricked, this includes Viscerals and is why it's the best weapon for Viscerals. It's basically a free Sharp gem. Wheel has -30% physical damage when tricked, I havnt actually tested it but I assume that affects Viscerals.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@WebTool
I'm going to light the first lamp, leave, and ring there. Maybe something will change. You also light it.

farquit
farquit

@Fried_Sushi
Ok

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
so would the best gems be the 32.6% thrust gems then?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@farquit
Well, something isn't right. Do I need to beat the dungeon first, maybe? I'll open one of mine and bring you.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fried_Sushi
I'm not sure if you were the person trying to help me with layer 3 earlier but I haven't been able to connect to anyone this evening. I don't think this is going to work. I appreciate your attempt though. It must be something with the servers.

girlDog
girlDog

@eGremlin
parasyte
That was a fantastic manga and the anime was great too

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@DeathDog
No that wasn't me. Good try, though.

FastChef
FastChef

If anyone needs help with anything other than the dungeons, please do not hesitate to tell me. I'm currently trying to bring my new hunter up to speed, but it wouldn't hurt to use the old ones.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TechHater
For reliable use, yeah.

You can get better by using ATK up at low HP gems, but it's obviously super situational. Only really relevent if you are specifically doing a speed kill, not playing normally.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@w8t4u
yeah that was semi my intention was to make a character and go for massive viscerals hence why im looking into this sort of stuff, thank you for being super helpful

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@FastChef
If you want to run through NG+2 Research Hall with me, I'd certainly enjoy the company. Pass will be REEE if you're interested.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Spazyfool
Can I get to different NGs if I'm not at that specific NG?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Ignoramus
NG cycle doesn't matter as far as online is concerned. You'll be able to connect.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Illusionz
One second, just need to clear this dungeon floor.

Methshot
Methshot

@Spazyfool
Same guy. Done and on my way. First floor or second floor?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spazyfool
Oh, wait, I'm stupid. On my way, ringing at first lantern.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Evil_kitten
Embarrassing

Ringing again. Sorry about that.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
I don't blame you. The same thing happened to me many a time.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Poker_Star
Old man with the gatling gun. Sorry.

MPmaster
MPmaster

What exactly are blood echoes?

I remember someone saying that in japanese they were called something like "last dying will of the blood" or something like that, but blood echoes makes too much sense with Oedon existing only in voice and his medium being blood and all.

Any input would be appreciated.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TurtleCat
Taking the elevator back to the lantern, bell's still ringing.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Finally get the balls to delete my save and create a new file for my ARC build
drunk
realize I always spend at least an hour in Character Customization

looks like Ill make my blonde qt tomorrow lads

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@MPmaster
I always figured they were something to do with Oedon and the whole voice existing as a sound deal.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Soft_member
And there we go again. Naked patient. Sorry.

takes2long
takes2long

@Soft_member
If you still want me around, just say so.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@New_Cliche
that picture

What kind of head is that qt sucking insight out of?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@haveahappyday
If it makes you feel better, I got my ass kicked by crawling patients like two seconds later.

FastChef
FastChef

@Firespawn
Such things tend to happen. Still need me, or would you prefer someone else? I can go back to my new fish, he needs the help.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Tell me about Annalise why does she wear the mask?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Firespawn
She's shy

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@FastChef
All that's left is Living Failures, which I'm sure I could handle on my own but would appreciate the company nonetheless.

TechHater
TechHater

@Harmless_Venom
Start without me, I'll be there soon.

massdebater
massdebater

Has anyone made the perfect plain doll character creation yet

Methshot
Methshot

Is there a torrent for the official Artbook yet?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Firespawn
Lotta loyalty for a hired blood

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Firespawn
It's because you're not worthy to gaze upon her face.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methshot
yes.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@whereismyname
her facial expressions

SniperGod
SniperGod

If the arc twink that just lightning the shit out of gascoigne with me is here dude add me I love you.

King_Martha
King_Martha

tfw no dab gesture in Bloodborne

please god, its all I want. i would pay $4.99 just for it alone

massdebater
massdebater

is Bloodborn the most 'complete' From Software game?

Every Souls-type game they've put out always seems to be rushed or unfinished in some regard. I'm still fairly new to this game, but considering it's a new IP, it feels fairly fleshed out and the worst areas in the game are still decent. How much is know about cut content, is there a lot of it?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Anyone watching Taboo? It's sort of got that Bloodborne vibe, especially the doctor scene and the spooky spirit scenes.

Evilember
Evilember

@massdebater
They literally made an enormous fucking modular dungeon system from all the cut content.

Inmate
Inmate

@whereismyname
brainsucker presentation.webm

girlDog
girlDog

@King_Martha
You're the reason this community is dying.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@massdebater
DeS, for missing an entire world, feels complete. Every area that made the final cut is complete with no obvious budgeting.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the whole "second half of DaS is shit" meme either though. And DaS2, for being as fucking horrible of a game as it was, also showed no signs of budget cuts or rushed areas.
Or 3, for that matter.

I mean, really, the only evidence of cut content or bad budgeting is the inert world stone in DeS, the copypasted enemies in one area in DaS, arguably the locked areas of Anor Londo in DaS3, and the garbage PS3 port and lack of a lighting engine in DaS2.

But DeS could be argued that the worldstone was purposefully left inert; DaS could be argued that Izalith was purposefully done as it was and just a bad area; DaS2 is shit all-around and Tanimura has a fucking terrible eye for art design anyway; and 3 was also an overall weak game.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@happy_sad
It's sort of got that Bloodborne vibe
Stop.
Its BB that has a 19th century england vibe.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Snarelure
I mean, really, the only evidence of cut content
Without datamining* obviously.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@LuckyDusty
19th century England with a horror tint, so a Bloodborne vibe.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberburn
No, user. Bloodborne came after 19th century horror.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Snarelure
also showed no signs of budget cuts or rushed areas.
Not the shortcuts right next to fires, the faceless giants, and the overall boringness of the world?
DS2 didn't cut content, it cut the entire art direction and level design departments.

WebTool
WebTool

alright

which one of you is obobobo lol?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@WebTool
me

Techpill
Techpill

@Snarelure
A lot of DaS content was cut and/or simplified, New Londo was supposed to be bigger and so was Izalith.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Need_TLC
The butthole faces of the giants is an art design choice. I'm sure it has some kind of cultural meaning that you'd have to be Japanese to understand. No face/ no soul, no face/ no humanity. Something like that.

RumChicken
RumChicken

If I'm making a Cainhurst outcast hunter, what attire would best look the part?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RumChicken
Anything other than Cainhurst gear?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@RumChicken
Bloody Crow?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Ignoramus
The last director, who was given two months to turn the shambles that DS2 was at the time into something playable, hated the previous director's giants and elected simply to cut them out for time reasons.

takes2long
takes2long

@kizzmybutt
If any Cainhurst gear (female Knight set) mixes well with any hunter sets.
@Deadlyinx
Outcast, not poster child.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@CouchChiller
hated the previous director's giants' faces

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@CouchChiller
DaS2 was going to be good. Bamco didn't want good; they wanted a fast cash grab and to beat BB to market.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@CouchChiller
Honestly I hate that face too.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Snarelure
I always found it odd that in DeS Bolataria had 4 full levels each with a boss, but Stonefang, Latria, Shrine of Storms and Valley of Defilment only had two levels and the third was basically just a boss room.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Does any headless bloodletting beast encountered as the final boss of a FRC Ithyll dungeon have the same chance of dropping a Heavy Abyssal gem? Or do I have to fight specific HBLBs at the end of specific glyph dungeons?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@DeathDog
Any final layer Bloodletting beast in any depth 5 chalice can drop a heavy abyssal, even non FRC ones (non-FRC abyssal's will have inferior stats to FRC abyssal's of course)

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

2what would be better for pvp with the hlms: 25/50 or 50/25 str/arc?
im thinking itll be the 25/50 but i have no idea really

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sharpcharm
50/25

Techpill
Techpill

@Gigastrength
Foetid and Rotted have no effect on boss drops.

A Cursed gem is a cursed gem, some enemies drop cursed gems regardless and thier stats don't change in FRC dungeons compared to no rites at all.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Sharpcharm
They both have their merits. 50/25 has a stronger untricked moveset, which means crazy strong R2s, 25/50 has comically powerful moonbeams and trick attacks.

If you just want to cheese wins as much as possible, you want to build for physical, but I think arc Moonlight Sword is much more fun.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@DeathDog
alright thanks for the input

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Anyone actually really like the Living Failures OST?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Y/N?

Techpill
Techpill

@w8t4u
bloodtinge
Alfred, get the wheel.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@w8t4u
reiterpallasch
15 SKL

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Techpill
Hold the Wheel, it's an innocent HoH. Could be an asset in hunting the Vilebloods.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@w8t4u
Urging for a purging

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

bloodletting beast is so fucking easy when he doesn't kill me from full HP in one hit. 948 HP with 320 phys dmg reduction / 313 blunt, gone in one retard-strength ground pound or punch

farquit
farquit

tfw no one will help you do main dungeons

I know they aren't as rewarding but co-op is still fun and makes things less boring

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@farquit
Which one are you on?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@farquit
Damn nigger are you still on Lower Pthumeru?

I'll help you with Defiled Pthu and :Loran and Isz, but I an't doing regular Pthumerus ever again if I can help it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@w8t4u
98

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Raving_Cute
@SomethingNew
Yeah I'm still in lower Pthumeru. I just need to kill BLB then I'll be on my way to Loran. I just want to get them over with as fast as possible. If you guys wanna help I'll be ringing before BLB at Lower Pthumeru. Pass is bbg

askme
askme

@farquit
@Raving_Cute
again, if you still need help when I'm back at my ps4, I'm more than happy to run everything with you.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Do enemies do higher than normal counter-damage in FRC dungeons? It really seems like every time I get hit while rolling or dodging, I take *double* damage, not ~40% more (like usual). It's starting to make me not even attempt dodges a lot of the time now, and just rely only on spacing and circling. Counter dmg makes it too risky.

I heard normal physical damage is reduced for cursed dungeons to make it so people don't get one-shot killed so often. Does it have anything to do with that?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

daily reminder that if you feel the need to go above 98 then youre shit at the game

TreeEater
TreeEater

@askme
Yeah that'd be great. I want to do this all in one sitting so it might take a few hours.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Supergrass
thinking 98 is bad
no better than a beast

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Need_TLC
@Sharpcharm
What could I get at 98 that I couldn't get between that and 108? I'm still dodging the 150s at 108.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Sharpcharm
anything above 30vit is scrub teir tbqh

tfw playing BB in bed on vita

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

can people stop making blooborne analysis videos? they're still coming out...

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

How much damage does a bone ash cannon do?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TalkBomber
Enough

Methshot
Methshot

@Evil_kitten
can people stop making videos that are guaranteed views
yeah... no

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Evil_kitten
Example?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Playboyize
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC3OuLU5XCw
8 Nov 2016

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
No, people keep buying the game after launch and every youtube faggot thinks that everyone wants to hear their shitty opinions or thoughts about everything.

girlDog
girlDog

@kizzmybutt
vaati's opinion is the only opinion that matters :^)

was that a good meme? :^)

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@girlDog
I don't understand, why do people hate Vaati?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TreeEater
Where are you now?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Should I start as Noble Scion if I'm doing a Bloodtinge build?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Can someone help with chalice Rom? Stupid spiders spawn around me after the teleport in this tiny room and block me in.

ringing at boss fog with bbg

girlDog
girlDog

@CodeBuns
copied other peoples theories or used things theyd researched without credit [citation needed]

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Stupidasole
Before BLB at Lower Pthumeru layer 4.

Pass is bbg

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Sir_Gallonhead
no, use lone survivor

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@CodeBuns
all soulsborne lore is just nonsense padding for gameplay anyway

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

beat memelash on first try
nani

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Gigastrength
youre nonsense padding

Flameblow
Flameblow

@cum2soon
Ringing now.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@cum2soon
I've been ringing for like 20 minutes my dude. Is your shit set to Open and stuff? No little grey x over the Beckoning Bell's icon on your HUD, right?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Gigastrength
We'll I enjoy it

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@haveahappyday
If You haven't yet killed her, I can help.

Techpill
Techpill

@GoogleCat
what the HECK where is this guy

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Raving_Cute
Be very appreciative. Been stuck all day which is a first.

5mileys
5mileys

@Techpill
He's probably fucking standing right in the doorway with his Beckoning Bell disabled.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@5mileys
Uhm, or i already helped him.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Flameblow
Thanks, I just need to get one fucking tier 4 ritual blood for Loran

@GoogleCat
Yeah I was ringing but no one showed up. I'm sorry, maybe it'll work in Loran

WebTool
WebTool

@Snarelure
You did set the chalice to open, right?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
That's how I started my Bloodtinge build, and it turned out fairly well.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@WebTool
Had someone just help, was it you?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Poker_Star
For Rom? It was @SomethingNew
@GoogleCat

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BunnyJinx
noble scion on a blt build
toppest of keks

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Crazy_Nice
I keep seeing this stupid video in the recommended links on every video game related youtube video I watch.

farquit
farquit

@Poker_Star
Nope. Dang.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Raving_Cute
lol Me too.

@farquit
Sorry bro. This why everyone in /bbg/ shouldn't use 'bbg' for a password.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Raving_Cute
me too. i think its because i watched a vaati vid and since then youtubes decided i need to see that video

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Raving_Cute
@Dreamworx
@SomethingNew
kek, anyone else?
tfw this becomes a new meme

Emberburn
Emberburn

Healing Church Is Genius, And Here's Why

Evilember
Evilember

My PS+ trial runs out today. Should I pay for online? Will you play with me, /bbg/?

Also, where do I farm +Blunt% gems?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Evilember
I'll play with you :^)
:^)

askme
askme

uniornically using lock-on in melee combat

JunkTop
JunkTop

you will never get to spend some time with the chapel dweller when the hunt is over

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@askme
tfw locking on for camerabeast

massdebater
massdebater

What level did you guys start the dlc at?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@massdebater
60

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

tfw you went through central yharnam for the first time ever
mfw

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Flameblow
@GoogleCat
I'm finally in Loran. If you guys still want to help, I'll be ringing at the layer 1 lamp.

Evilember
Evilember

From soft developing game for Nintendo switch
yfw bloodborne 2 or spiritual sequel Nintendo exclusive

King_Martha
King_Martha

@askme
Rolling instead of quickstepping

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Evilember
Nintendo exclusive

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Evilember
id still play it

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@King_Martha
roll is better than quickstep

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Illusionz
atleast there wouldnt be people spamming lore vids seeing as nintendo feels memed when people do things with their shit

Inmate
Inmate

@Methnerd
Yup, I have no idea why YouTube really wants me to watch it. I've obviously watched a lot of BB stuff but never that guys channel. It's always in recommended videos.

iluvmen
iluvmen

/bbg/ Is Genius, And Here's Why

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methnerd
yes but it's because I'm subbed to hbomb

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Emberfire
no better than a beast

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

New blood here: can I make a good STR+ARC build using Amy's Arm? If so, how would the ideal stat distribution look like?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Dreamworx
dont go for arc with amy arm

MPmaster
MPmaster

Who are bbg approved YouTube channels?

the guy who made the 12 days of Kosmas song doesn't count

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Illusionz
Search your feelings, you know it to be true

game forces you to use waggle controls to swing sword

desu I'm more expecting it to be an armored core title than a soulslike, although I believe this will be the first nonsouls game they've done in a while

Moonlight great sword, coming to Nintendo switch

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@MPmaster
pewdiepie, jacksepticeye, markiplier

cum2soon
cum2soon

@MPmaster
joseph andersons critique is pretty in depth and good, folding ideas commentary on the endings of bb was okaaayyy.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@MPmaster
Cr1TiKaL just for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZOIpjW69s

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Deadlyinx
but i wanted to cast shpells and I heard slappic arc scaling gems like cold abyssals fixes all problems and allows you to deal respectable amounts of damage ;_;

Playboyize
Playboyize

@massdebater
I'm still pretty new so went in at lvl 30 and grabbed most of the weapons and gear in the first area, then I came back at lvl 73 and took it seriously

TreeEater
TreeEater

@CouchChiller
PewDiePie

I know you're shitposting but his Bloodborne PVP video was actually kinda funny. Or at least I thought so :~(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Cb9BSp6Hk

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TreeEater
I mean, by all means go ahead and try it. You're new so enjoy the game, don't listen to the faggots (including me) who tell you how you should play the game and all that other shit like metas. If you wanna try out that then fuck it, why not

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@iluvmen
That video convinced me to buy the game

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TreeEater

mebbe

You're not really going to get much damage out of your arc on the arm, but 50/25 str/arc is a perfectly good build anyway and fits easily around BL100 so you might as well just slap it on, no harm no foul. Use your bullets for spells, and you can also use Wheel (make sure you get enough skill) and the Boomhammer. Very solid all around.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TreeEater
pewdiepie, over the past year and a half maybe has actually become less of a fag and is actually bring out some decent content

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TreeEater
You use gems to convert physical weapons to elemental.

Amy arm is split-damage so it can't be converted and it's base arcane is so low it's useless. If you go 50 STR and 50 ARC for a maximum power Wheel then Amy Arm would have a nice little bonus, but it's never worth leveling arcane for.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CouchChiller
Don't forget the tonitrus

With a 50/25 build and nourishing gems that thing could put out some seriously scary damage

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Sir_Gallonhead
I should make you wash your mouth
nah, I'm happy that he's trying to improve and become an honest or even "genuine" youtuber instead of a meme for 12yr olds

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@MPmaster
兄者弟者

viagrandad
viagrandad

@RumChicken
atleast he's letting the bro-tier side of himself come out in almost saying nigga in a video and getting some people on fiverr to write death to all jews in a message

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

tfw always had an affinity for the moon and love moon themed stuff
A-am I destined to become a trap? I don't think I'd look very good as a lady.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

tfw bloodborne fixed pewdiepie
tfw pewdiepie probably browses /bbg/

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Sharpcharm
A trap or an eyeball-maggot. Pick your poison.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Sharpcharm
you might become one of those planet-kin delusional tumblr people
bodies of water captcha
tfw captcha is a bulwark guarding my sleep

Bidwell
Bidwell

@haveahappyday
Plip Plop Splish Splash

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Crazy_Nice
No-no-no, I've been there with previous souls games, I don't wanna end up sucking major cock before I get the hang of things. It's only after you've become autistically proficient you should be allowed to gimp yourself on purpose, in my opinion and I did rank up level 3 aura in DaS2 using nothing but shields in under a week.
I just legitimately saw people saying that slapping cold abyssals on weapons with some innate ARC scaling allows you to do okay amounts of damage (maybe a bit lower than flat out going str, I dunno) while still being able to utilize spells, but it seems I was wrong.
@CouchChiller
@Snarelure
Thanks, Tony/Wheel sounds nice, I guess I'll aim for that now. What would be a good side arm for this build? A flamethrower? A cannon? The cannon/church cannon seem to have certain requirements I'm not sure I'm willing to commit to. Are flamethrower or rosmarinus good enough?
@Sharpcharm
always had an affinity for the moon and love moon themed stuff
A-am I destined to become a trap?
I know /bbg/ probably hates this game with a passion, but it doesn't have to be this way.
There's always the other way!

Bidwell
Bidwell

@kizzmybutt
if you want funs like that, use the boomhammer

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Bidwell
The boomhammer may not have the best moveset, but it's made up the the fact that it's a fucking rocket-powered hammer.

It's just too damn fun.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@kizzmybutt
The game was shit, but Pontiff was one of the best things about it to the point where I believe the story could have been infinitely better if he was the primary antagonist and final or are least near final boss instead of an inbetweener. His lore, OST, and boss fight were all top-tier.

farquit
farquit

Where's the best area to farm blood echoes?
fuck its hard not to type souls accidentally

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Lord_Tryzalot
fuck the moveset, as you say its a hammer that makes explosions. anyone who cant appreciate the brutal simplicity in it is no better than the beasts we hunt

TreeEater
TreeEater

@kizzmybutt

Sure are. Might want to keep a pistol or blunderbuss handy for viscerals though.

Also, you're not getting cold abyssals until you're almost done with the game, so don't build around having those.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
loran gives you meme amounts of echoes
@TreeEater
i dont get that image

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Lord_Tryzalot
@Bidwell

It's not as bad as it could be. They're slow but they are horizontal broad swings, the best kind, and the hammer's not too short.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@farquit
the pigs at mergo's loft

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

damn, the recommended glpyh dungeon for farming +65 ARC scaling radial abyssals ( kkvk8gsj ) is hard as FUCK.

There is a pthumerian descendant in the bonus area before Layer 3, and another one guarding the lever in actual layer 3. Also there are fucking hemwick witches and their summons everywhere, lots of the time blocking your way. And red spider bell maidens. Rolling guy is guarding one lever. The only tough enemies I didn't see were madmen and Undead Giants

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TreeEater
whats the water can got to do with eileen and whats it all got to do with a teddy bear

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
@Bidwell

I guess he quit playing, or that character went away.

Anyway, you can call Rosmarinus a watering can because it spritzes holy water in order to attack.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Bidwell
I'll pick it up once I reach the DLC, thanks. Or I'll just dive right in, die a bunch of times, grab the hammer and finish it later.
@CodeBuns
I believe the story could have been infinitely better if he was the primary antagonist and final or are least near final boss instead of an inbetweener
Word.
I really wish he was one of the talking bosses like Oceiros or Memecolash, he seems like he could've easily even dropped a couple cheesy monsoon-tier one-liners during the fight like "ur excommunicated" and the such. Stuff like that always makes the fight more memorable.
But oh well. At least BB had a handful of those.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

do the lamps have any place in the lore are are they just a mechanic?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

What types of damage doesPthumetian Elder do, primarily? Is it mostly fire damage, or is it arcane, or is it physical? Thrust?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Bidwell
@Lord_Tryzalot
@Bidwell
More like Funhammer, am I right?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TurtleCat
Hey if you're scumming kkvk I want in please. I need one last radial CA.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TreeEater
he could've easily even dropped a couple cheesy monsoon-tier one-liners during the fight like "ur excommunicated" and the such.

I really don't think that would fit in a Souls game.

But I do love cheesy boss lines, if you care here's a concept for a boss in a game I never actually finished making.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TreeEater
Fucker is responsible for almost every bad thing that happened in the game (lorewise that is) and is one of the few Souls characters that could be considered truly, 100% evil.

I just don't get why they made him such a throw away boss.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Anybody spelunking/want help?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Playboyize
Fat
Hoverchair
ruined eye
weapons Manufactorer

Was it intentionally a wholesale ripoff?

Some of those lines are pretty clever though.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@kizzmybutt
I just don't get why they made him such a throw away boss.
The crowned guy we fight was supposed to be a throwaway boss called Old Monarch that was the previous kang of Irithyll, and the Pontiff was supposed to be the slude thing wearing Gwynny as a cocksleeve. I'm not sure about how that supposed to work with Aldrich, saint of the Deep, but he might have actually been the boss in the Cathedral. Either that, or Pontiff and Aldrich used to be the same thing in the alpha.
But honestly? I prefer the way it turned out to be in the end, in terms of design. The edgiest person in souls universe deserves to be dual-wielding differently coloured greatswords, have a personal Stand and fly on 2hu flandere-like twig wings.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@haveahappyday
ok but I just got PS+ and I don't really understand Souls multiplayer

I rang the beckoning bell outside the boss room and put the password as "bbg"

Inmate
Inmate

@kizzmybutt
that could be considered truly, 100% evil.
But he's from the painted world, where the world gets burned so the other one can take it's place. He just wanted to apply the same rules to the outside reality. Did nothing wrong, nothing at all!

farquit
farquit

@SniperWish
That does make a lot more sense story wise but like you said, design wise Pontiff being the double sword guy makes a lot of sense especially considering his swords are supposed to represent the sun and the moon. I mean Sulyvahn is an extremely conceit man who's end goal is to hold the entire world in his hand, the swords being his way of saying "I killed the gods of the sun and the moon, now I am the sun and the moon"

God damn, Sulyvahn was truly wasted on a game as mediocre as DaS3.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Spamalot
fuuuuck my bad

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Inmate
But he didn't burn the old world, he tortured and mutilated it until it was deformed monster that existed only to serve his bidding.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Spamalot
Oh awesome that was you.

Did you set up a save to reload if he drops a bad gem?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I'm almost done with my first playthrough and I want to try some fun co-op/pvp build. I was thinking SKL/something with Saif and Rakyuo. Any tips for build? Go with tools or Evelyn? Also rolling: evens male chara, odds hunter waifu

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Poker_Star
I did

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@PurpleCharger
Awesome. You wanna wait for me to SRRC, or run the dungeon and ring from the same layer?

Evilember
Evilember

@Deadlyinx
Rakuyo and Evelyn on the same build
The ultimate form of cancer

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

people fawning over hypothetical "lost potential" (which was never there to begin with) of fucking Sulyvahn
a generic saturday morning cartoon villain
not an actually interesting character like Yhorm

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Sir_Gallonhead
is that something revealed in the DLC cause I don't remember the pontiff being much besides a servant to aldrich and just continuously bought him a bunch of people to eat

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Sir_Gallonhead
Sulyvahn was born and raised inside the painting, yet had little use for his frigid homeland, since he had not yet experienced loss.
Then I guess he was just afraid of getting burned with the fucking painting, which makes sense.

askme
askme

@Evilember
needs to go 50/50 on both skill and tinge
cancer

???

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Gigastrength
I'm not sure, I guess ring from the same layer? I fucked up and got combo'd by him

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@DeathDog
It's a little laggy. Alright I'll run the dungeon right quick.

If you need a second one I can set up a save too afterward.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@DeathDog
@Gigastrength
Why the hell would you NOT just SRRC right away? You're guaranteed to connect with the password anyway, AND that would help the host to clear out the level.

askme
askme

@Deadlyinx
Tools, 15-18 Arc with 25/50 Str/Skl.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Evilember
I aim for Rakuyo and I'm curious what would be the most fun to pair it with that won't bore me to death. I've been running with LHB ever since I unlocked it on this playthrough.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Playboyize
From the Dancers set:
The mirage-like aurora veil is said to be an article of the old gods, permitted only for direct descendants of the old royal family.
The black eyes of the Pontiff eventually transformed the Dancer into a beastly creature, her gauntlets fusing with her own hide.

From the Dancers soul:
The Pontiff Sulyvahn bestowed a double-slashing sword upon a distant daughter of the formal royal family, ordering her to serve first as a dancer, and then as an outrider knight, the equivalent to exile.

From Irithyll straight sword:
Every Outrider Knight one day devolves into a beast, constantly hounded by Pontiff Sulyvahn's black eyes.

From Pontiff's left eye, obtain from the soul of vordt
Bewitched ring that Pontiff Sulyvahn bestowed upon his knights.
Knights who peer into the black orb are lured into battles of death, transformed into frenzied beasts. No wonder the Pontiff only provides these rings to those dispatched to foreign lands.

From Soul of pontiff:
Pontiff Sulyvahn of Irithyll imprisoned a god of the old royalty (Gwendolin) in the abandoned cathedral, to be fed to the devourer (Aldrich)

And we know that Sulyvahn trapped Yorshka in the tower from her dialogue, wrongfully proclaiming himself Pontiff when the entire royal family was out of the way.

The Pontiff killed, corrupted, or imprisoned every remaining member of Gywn's family, using both aldrich and the royal family to do his bidding now.

Hell, if you look really deep into it there's even the implication that he's somehow responsible for the current state of the twin princess considering his minions are all over the place at Lothric castle and that the statue in the courtyard with the winged fatty shows the profaned great sword, and considering he's basically using Aldrich to do his bidding there's a chance he has some command over the deacons of the deep.

Dude has his hands on everything.

massdebater
massdebater

@Deadlyinx

Add 25 str for saif and burial blade. Or get Blades of Mercy, get 15 arc for bone, and then pile on the stamina so you can teleport forever.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Soft_member
I said I don't really know how souls MP works. I've never used the SRRC

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Fuzzy_Logic
Yeah, but the other user did, so I can't understand why he even asked that, when he could've just told you to keep ringing and SRRC'd in.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@DeathDog
Sorry man I got hung up on B-PS. Ringing from the boss stairs.

@Soft_member
He's already on Layer 3 and SRRCing takes longer than ringing from the same layer.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Harmless_Venom
and SRRCing takes longer than ringing from the same layer
That's just a myth, and if it was true it wouldn't take more than half a minute longer.
And co-oping through a dungeons is definitely faster than each of you having to solo the first two layers.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Harmless_Venom
Noice I got an abyssal with +12.7 phys attack and atk vs kin down 5%

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberfire
That's just a myth
Not in my experience.

And co-oping through a dungeons is definitely faster than each of you having to solo the first two layers.
No fucking shit Sherlock but he was already on layer 3 when he started talking about the dungeon.

Methshot
Methshot

@TalkBomber
he was already on layer 3
Even more reasons to use the SRRC.

massdebater
massdebater

@Harmless_Venom
@cum2soon
I guess if you made a save beforehand then, I can help you with him? Ringing small resonant bell near the boss stairs

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methshot
Not if this shit takes more than a couple tries.

I've been doing this shit for over a year and this is how everybody does it.

@massdebater
Got a decent Abyssal from yours? I don't need the help but if you want another I'll scum til you get one.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@iluvmen
yeah I got a good one, here @cum2soon

I dont need another but thanks for the help! Hope you got something good

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@eGremlin
Ah nice. Cheers.

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