Was Lancia too good for this world?

Truly the GOAT manufacturer.

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desu I'd much rather have the Fulvia than some poo in loo shit

>tfw the best car companies are the ones that go out of business

just END my LIFE

>pssht... nothing personnel kid

>E-type Jaguar
>poo in loo shit
why are you on this board again?

They havent made a decent car since the 90’s and have never made a reliable car

too rusty and fragile for this world

As if you care about Rust when your shitbox looks this good.

>looks this good
if I were made of money and had the time and patience to let the carpets and door panels dry out yes
it might just be cheeper to move to where I can find them in scrap yards to pick over parts

passion - as in martyrdom
fire - of the electrical loom
soul - draining

Trust me if I had one there'd be no casual about my driving.

You know the Stratos was a fair bit quicker than the 246 right?

Fiat will never let Lancia be what it was meant to be.

An E-type was about $5500 in 61, the HF which was an homologation was about $4700 in 69. I get that's still expensive but that's the way shit rolls when it comes to limited runs and homologations though, you're never going to lose your money on one though.

One's a Ferrari and the other is from a washed up brand that liked to play in the dirt.

Is what I'd say if I was baiting people, but yeah this user's right. But IMO pic related is best Dino powered car. It's like a tiny GT car.

If I was gonna blow money on a semi rare 60's car, the Dino coupe would be it.
Ferrari or not it's also worth less than a Stratos.

So fucking sexy

It's not like this.

Lancia has literally zero appeal outside Italy and I'm speaking of normal cars not enthusiast cars and rally derived models which nobody gives a fuck about today since the whole industry is full of normies.

As of today Lancia is going to release the new generation of the ypsilon (sigh...) BUT according to their business plan a specialty car like the 4C is on its way.

A new stratos?

Lancia never really built normal cars though user, even their regular family cars were weird, they made the first mass production V6, the Flavia which was a "normie" car had a boxer FF setup in the 60's, they used V4 engines, they were early adopters of disc brakes, 5 speed gearboxes, De Dion axle arrangements, transaxles, inboard rear brakes etc etc

tl;dr, they never really made normal cars and always pushed boundaries.

Nigga the Dinos are almost as expensive as the Stratoses. Them being like 3/4ths the price does mean they're worth less, but considering how many more were built not too bad man.

Stratos is a fair bit quicker because it's made out of fucking plastic and on a wheelbase shorter than my mom's Aygo's.

With "normal" I was talking of the most recent models such as the Thema (not the Chrysler shit).

Superb car, the 8.32 probably was the pinnacle of the luxury sedans at that time, but a "normal" car in the eye of the customers.

If Lancia would create an iso bmw 3 series model while more luxurious (iso Lexus?) normies wouldn't give a shit trust me...because they don't know Lancia.

FCA gambled on Alfa Romeo for that.

I like classy cars, my dude.

FCA gamled on Alfa Romeo because AR has a more sportier image, regardless of Lancia's rally past. Something that would compete more directly with a C- or an E-Class Merc would suit Lancia much better (like the new Thema)

my grandpa drives a 1985 Lancia Thema Ferrari

>Nigga the Dinos are almost as expensive as the Stratoses
But they aren't as expensive, despite being more expensive new
>Stratos is a fair bit quicker because it's made out of fucking plastic and on a wheelbase shorter than my mom's Aygo's.
Like many sportscars of it's day, what exactly does this change about the stratos being quicker?

Other anons point was FIAT hasn't and won't let Lancia be Lancia which isn't arguable, it's history. Selling rebaged Chryslers/FIATs as Lancias is a straight bean counters move and anyone with some decency would have let the brand die.

>But they aren't as expensive, despite being more expensive new

500 Stratoses vs over 3500 Dinos, doesn't matter if the Dino sold for even twice as much.

>Like many sportscars of it's day, what exactly does this change about the stratos being quicker?

Yes but it was only a homologation racer, the Dino wasn't made to race. The Dino is a much better as a car and only like a tenth or two tenths slower to 60. (Stratos 0-100kph 6.8s and Dino 0-60mph 6.9s) And the Stratos even has a lower top speed.

>cars like this don't exist anymore

So what exactly is your point user? The Stratos is worth more, rarer and an all round quicker car but the 246 is a better GT, yet if you were going to buy a GT why wouldn't you buy a 365 GT which is worth less than the 246 whilst being a better GT.

Pretty sure there's more 206's and 246's than Statos' which also helps, plus rally tax on the stratos. Which helps boost the price as well.

That said nice to see someone else who'd go for the Fiat.

more like too rusty for this world

Rally the fuck out of it

>yet if you were going to buy a GT why wouldn't you buy a 365 GT which is worth less than the 246 whilst being a better GT.

but you see, the Dino is worth something. But why? Five times more of them than the Stratos? Slower than the Stratos? Why are they like a 100k cheaper than the Stratos only?

My point is that the Dinos are great cars too and regardless of the rally meme and only 500 build Stratoses they're still expensive because they're good, collectible cars. Much more expensive than the 911s of the day they were meant to compete with.

They are good collectible cars but if you are collecting then investment is generally a prime motive and for the purposes of investment the Stratos is a better buy, their value has increased at a much higher rate than the Dino and given their comparative rarity and competition history will continue to do so.

If you simply want a car which will increase in value but provide you with a weekend touring car which you can comfortably drive then the 365 is arguably a better option than the 246.
As far as your 911 comment, the Dino cost a fair bit more than a 911 RS which are worth far more than a Dino today.

Stratos is a meme. I can't understand why do people claim this car is such a legend while it's just a weirdly looking poor-handling snap-oversteer machine

>As far as your 911 comment, the Dino cost a fair bit more than a 911 RS which are worth far more than a Dino today.

Where do you get these numbers? The Dino was like 200 pound more expensive than a 911S it competed with and the RSes were more expensive.

thats why i love it
it has soul

Apparently there is a new Ypsilon on the way and another 5 models planned. They'll all be badge engineered, fugly 'luxury' Fiats nobody outside italy ever buys, BUT WHAT IF one of them is not shit?

Fiat doesn't have a Golf-segment car except for the aging giulietta, maybe we'll get a somewhat boxy mk4 Delta? Probably not

roll out and laugh at lesser cars

Shame they never got around to make pic related. Doesn't even need any fancy engineering, just a short wheelbase variant of a Fiat FWD platform.

Imho they could just take the 2003 concept and put it in production right now.

Yeap my bad, think it was me reading pounds and dollars without realising, RS seems to be about 30% more expensive than the Dino in pounds.

What exactly made it poor handling?

>snap-oversteer machine
u wut
low top speed

wrong
>what are import duties?

Does it? When the average person thinks of Lancia they think of Deltas and Stratoses, when the average person thinks of Alfa they think of pretty econoboxes that break down a lot.

Lancia was a miracle of the universe.

;_;

One day I'll buy and build a replica kit car. All of the no wheelbase fun and Gandini styling with none of the pricelessness.

They could've made an Alfa-Miata
They could've made a Lancia-Miata
Instead they did a Fiata.

Whats so special about Lancias? Rally? Why would I care though? Its not like people buy quattro just because it has rich rally history. It was another failure company that went bankrupt. Design is REALLY questionable for normie tier cars. They could implement design for exotic models, but they had none.

Lancia isn't bankrupt nor a failure.
Fiat is just strangling them slowly.

Lancia's were never normie tier, fiat tried to make them normie which is what didn't work.
They used to be a company that had models be coachbuild by Touring, Pininfarina and Zagato TOGETHER
Lancia contributed an insane amount to the car world.

Take the Lambda for one.
>It was the first car to feature a load-bearing unitary body, (but without a stressed roof) and it also pioneered the use of an independent suspension (the front sliding pillar with coil springs).

I've been a passenger in a Lambda, got photos of my kids in the back seat while we were driving, hell of a lot of fun.

Maybe in the US but Alfa is as similarly sporting as Lancia in its Australian history, plenty of racing history from the 105 series cars, 3 box things like the Guilietta and Berlina making more grunt from 2l 4cyl engines than local big sixes, with 5 gears and disc brakes. Then of course there's the Alfetta based cars and both the 105 and Alfettas are only raced more often today by Escorts and Minis and the Montreal which needs to be heard in person, hard to get your head around the size of that engine.

All of that is ignoring the factory racing history.