Abarth 124

hairygrape
hairygrape

2400lbs/1080kg
207whp/214wtrq with a tune (no trace when removed for warranty work)
cheaper than a Miata, at least in my country
better suspension than a Miata
looks and sounds great
luggage problem fixed with a boot bag
#1 cheapest new sports car to insure
can trick normies into thinking I'm a heterosexual who drives an Italian sports car when I'm actually a gay hairdresser in a Miata
Convince me not to buy one as a DD

All urls found in this thread:
https://jalopnik.com/the-2017-fiat-124-spider-really-is-better-than-the-miat-1781392740
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Used+Cars/Porsche/Boxster?listingTypes=used&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=BOXSTE&makeCodeList=POR&trimCodeList=BOXSTE%7CS&searchRadius=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Boxster/Cayman#Boxster_986_model_history
https://www.motor.es/noticias/fiat-abarth-124-gt-fotos-espia-201742352.html
CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@hairygrape
I prefer the ND, but that's a damn nice car.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@hairygrape
If it came with a hardtop, I would be all over it. Convertibles just kind of fuck up the lines of a car imo.

Also, how is it the cheapest new sports car to insure? Wouldn't the ND be cheaper, or hell, even the base 124? They both have less power and are cheaper iirc.

I'm assuming the hood isn't carbon fiber, which really activates my almonds. If there is some sort of aftermarket selection for a carbon fiber replacement hood, that would be fantastic. Then again, I'm sure you can go through the dealer to get one without the painted hood.

If you have the money, go for it. I would only be worried about the reliability, but it shouldn't be all that bad, as a shit load of components are sourced from Mazda, which has been doing much better reliability-wise.

pic related, color I think looks much better than the white in OP's post; I can even tolerate the painted hood in this color

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Nude_Bikergirl
some countries tax/insure based more on displacement or lack of 4 doors than power figure

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nude_Bikergirl
hardtop
see /o/thread/18498290#p18498290

Soft_member
Soft_member

@hairygrape

Again with the shitposting mjet?

Isn't one thread enough for today?

takes2long
takes2long

stock powerband is really awful, all peak with no build or top end. if you like that, great.
a tune fixes it though
as far as i know it can't be "truly" flashed because the ECU hasn't been cracked yet so you're limited in your control

turbo swaps are ultra easy though, it's like on top of the engine in full view, also the bay's a good size so a better intake and exhaust will be ez

i actually like the matte hood and trunk and it'd probably last longer than some plastidip, but nobody is buying them that way and dealers don't stock them like that

they're also holding their value freakishly well for a fiat

iluvmen
iluvmen

@hairygrape
So did these come with the Miata's transmission? Cause if that's the case, that means one could probably work an adaptor kit for the older Miata trans, and NA/NB owners can have an Italian powered Miata

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Soft_member
I'm not mjet, I wouldn't buy a Fiat unless it was actually a Mazda made in Japan with a Fiat badge on it. I doubt he could afford this either.
@Nude_Bikergirl
ND and 124 are about the same. Average insurance quote in the US (I'm not in the US but I couldn't find figures for my country) is about 1200/yr for both of them. In comparison, the 370Z/WRX/Mustang GT/Camaro SS are all in the 1800/yr range and the BRZ/86 is about 1400. That's a lot of savings.

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
NC transmission, so not really

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methshot
So then swap the NC trans and get a 1.4t from a wrecking yard, it won't be plug and play obviously but it's realistic with minor fabrication

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Emberfire
much more annoying will be getting the ECU to play nice

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Playboyize

Fucking buy the Mazda. It's pretty well established already the Mazda is the fucking all around better car.

You people with your fucking italian shitposting are becoming annoying.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TurtleCat
Standalone, and wire it into the main module, time consuming and the standalone isn't cheap, but we knew this going in, I said it wasn't impossible I never said it would be cheap

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
but they want the tractor idle sound, old transmission, and turbo lag. can't argue with that logic

King_Martha
King_Martha

@hairygrape
Legitimately considering selling my Boxster for one. Any 986 owner want a black hardtop?

Methshot
Methshot

@King_Martha

You cannot be just retarded. You have to be advanced retarded.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methshot
I enjoyed it for the last 5 years but at the end of the day it's just a 20 year old 986

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@hairygrape
Retards that like the Mazda will talk shit despite it being the better car and not looking ugly as hell.

Other than that I'd say go for it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberfire

It's a Porsche. What does the age mean?

By your logic a 964 911 is shit.

I'd punch you in the face if you happened to be right next to me right now.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@eGremlin
Fucking Porsche fanboys lmao

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TurtleCat

Theres a literal consensus in the automotive world about the Mazda being better.

calls others retards

You people...

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BunnyJinx

I could answer seriously and say that it has nothing to do with with being a fanboy but much more as even considering to compare a Porsche to a fucking joke of a Fiat.

But in the end, judging by your answer, you'd be to stupid to comprehend anything past two lines.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@New_Cliche
well save for the Italian fans and the contrarians

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Spazyfool

yeah, same with that joke of a Giulia

Marchione wanted at least 170.000 cars sold

hasn't even sold 90000

critics are rampant about problems, electrical, mechanical, interiors you name it

the engine offers are a joke for the interior market

Yet you come on Veeky Forums and the fucktards like mjet still ravage about it.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@eGremlin
Calm down it's the slowest Boxster ever made. A water cooled turd most people would call it

cum2soon
cum2soon

@King_Martha

Still better than a Fiat.

idontknow
idontknow

@New_Cliche
It's really not, unless you're a soyboy or a homo.

@Illusionz
I'm not even the guy that owns it. But acting like old Porsches are something special (especially the fucking 986) is laughable.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@idontknow
Get a trip so I can filter you

RavySnake
RavySnake

So you guys can stop telling me
dude get the Miata
Here you go

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
what country is this? I got my ND for $25K US

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
Being Canadian is suffering

JunkTop
JunkTop

@VisualMaster
Just for lols
Mustang GT
39k
Miata RF
41k
Thanks Mazda

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TreeEater
Soyboy

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@JunkTop
It's weird because the 100k USD LC500 only costs us like 80k USD

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Would rather take a Miata but would prefer to not own either.

askme
askme

@Stupidasole
import routes usually. I'd bet the Fiata goes through the US before Canada and then LC500 is straight from nippon

likme
likme

@hairygrape
Gayer than a miata considering there's now an RF model

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

You can get a 15-20 year old 986 for like 10k and it'll have more hp (and hp to weight ratio) than heavily modified, turbo-turd fiata. Not to mention better suspension.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PurpleCharger
200hp
2800lbs
How would that give you a better power to weight ratio than
200hp with a mild tune
2400lbs

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Spamalot

18 year old Boxster S is 250 hp stock

stock fiata costs more, then you'll dump 3-5k on suspension just to match Boxster's, and another few grand just to reach 200 hp. Good luck selling your car afterwards.

WebTool
WebTool

@Skullbone
The 124 Abarth has great suspension though, it doesn't need replacement.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Skullbone
200whp is probably around 230-240 hp with rwd and a manual. For a few thousand you will be making 260whp with a turbo upgrade. Boxster can't compete.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@AwesomeTucker
Only one of the two cars breaks gearboxes though, it also happens to be the slower of the two which does.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@hairygrape
better suspension
Yeah gonna need some sauce on that

Techpill
Techpill

turbo 1.4 to match the power of an NA 2.0
Why didn't they just turbo the 2.0 and make an all around faster car that would btfo basically anything else close to it?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Nude_Bikergirl
Hardtop is coming soon (TM).

The hood isn't carbon fiber, but painted black to refr back to the original 124 Spider rallycars, which had a matte black hood to cut down glare. It's an option, and 95% of all user-orederd cars are coming without one. Pic related is the patrician choice.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Nude_Bikergirl
It's not just made with parts from Mazda, it's made BY Mazda in Japan. The only thing FCA is the 1.4T which is dead reliable, even with a tune. it even comes with the more reliable NC gearbox, which isn't made out of glass like early ND units.

Originally it would have been an Alfa (pic related), but then Marchionne stated that all Alfa's should be made in Italy, which Mazda of course would not accept. Also, this would have had a 1.75T, making it significantly more powerful than the ND, and I don't think mazda would have accepted that either. It could have been good competition for the 4C, Cayman and A110 with ~250hp.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@takes2long
stock powerband is really awful, all peak with no build or top end.
Lolno. The 124's powerband is literally twice as long as the 2.0 ND. It appears sluggish by comparison because the ND has no torque and no powerband, and you have to wring it out. In practise, it's faster even without a tune.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@AwesomeTucker
It's pretty well established already the Mazda is the fucking all around better car.

More power
More torque
More gains
More powerband
Faster
Looks better
The turbo Miata everybody was asking for
The 124 is the hero you don't deserve.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@New_Cliche
Theres a literal consensus in the automotive world about the Mazda being better.
No.
https://jalopnik.com/the-2017-fiat-124-spider-really-is-better-than-the-miat-1781392740

inb4 >Jalopnik

@Booteefool
And yet the Giulia wins prizes all over for handling, chassis balance and the QV's engine. It's only a joke in terms of sales and reliability, but that's par for the course for any Alfa.

@Techpill
Because they would have been better off putting a 300+hp 2.3 DISI turbo in there if they wanted to dominate.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Booteefool
it's not like m3/m5 wont be riddled with issues it's just that alfa handles better and is quicker

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@AwesomeTucker
Because they would have been better off putting a 300+hp 2.3 DISI turbo in there if they wanted to dominate.
That would be on a whole nother price point tho.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Need_TLC
The ND starts at 25K MSRP, add a 7K crate motor to that and you're at 32K, add some suspension, gearbox and brake bits and you're probably somewhere around 40K. Porsche would shit themselves over that kind of numbers. Ford sells a 310hp 2.3 Totally-not-a-DISI-turbo crate motor for 7K, so i think it's not unreasonable to say that a 2.3 turbo ND from the factory could be built for 40K.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@RumChicken
i'm talking about feel though, torque curve
the ND's is very linear
the 124's is one giant peak

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TalkBomber

the 124's is one giant peak

You know where else there's a peak? Down in my pants when I drive a 20 year old boxster S, that cost 8k and I don't need to rice/turbo/shit nothing on it.

takes2long
takes2long

@Boy_vs_Girl
Accept your forgetting costs of production into that and the fact Mazda would like to make some money off of it, probably more like $48k/unit

hairygrape
hairygrape

@hairygrape
no hardtop coupe

Flameblow
Flameblow

@hairygrape
It's coming this year.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@hairygrape
I'm in fucking Italy and the 124 costs 2K more than the ND (base trims). No wonder nobody buys it here.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@hairygrape
207whp/214wtrq
it should have had that from the the factory hell it should have had 300+

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
I added 8K for all the other bits you need for production. The 2.3 crate motor has an MSRP of 7K but can be had for 6K if you shop around, and that's already got a profit margin for the factory included in it. Lastly, Mazda already has a margin on the 25K base Miata, and not installing all of the regular parts saves money, too.

Even then, it'd be a good value proposition at ~325hp, 1100kg and 45K USD.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Flameblow
say who? some faggot ass website no one ever heard of? not a single other reputable car news source has mentioned it.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@idontknow
You make some good points, but there's no way in hell they would supply Mazda with an engine they know would turn their little Miata into a firebreathing monster capable of embarrassing even a GT350R

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Playboyize
You do realise that the 2.3 Ecoboost is a direct descendant of the 2.3 DISI Turbo made by Mazda, right? Same base block, same bore and stroke, same pretty much everything, except their state of tune. Remember the Mazdaspeed 3? It was basically a Focus RS in drag with a 2.3 DISI. The Focus RS meanwhile had a 2.5L I5 turbo Duratec (TM) - which was a Volvo B5254 with a different engine cover, basically.

Mazda doesn't need Ford to build them the engines when it's their own engine.

WebTool
WebTool

@Flameblow
Source? And how much will it be? Close to 40k for an Abarth I bet.

At that point, I would rather buy something else, like a gently used Cayman

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Spamalot
@WebTool
source is some no name website.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Firespawn
They look great.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TalkBomber
Except that the MZR turbo is no longer in production, and the current 2.5 T in the CX-9 is based off the Duratec 25
My point is that IF Mazda would consider putting a 2.3 turbo motor, IN A LONGITUDINAL PLATFORM, they would have to request the Ecoboost 2.3 in order to make it work, it's not economically feasible to put the MZR back into production when they're focus since 2012 has been efficiency

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Nude_Bikergirl
anti glare hood
or at least it should be mat black

cum2soon
cum2soon

@JunkTop
and the current 2.5 T in the CX-9 is based off the Duratec 25
No, the Skyactiv-G 2.5 is a developement of the 2.5 L-series or L5. The L5 was also used by Ford as a Duratec 2.5, true, but the Duratec name is not a step in it's development cycle.

The Skyactiv series is a continued development of the Mazda L and Z series. Since the 2.3 DISI, as a part of the L series, was easily adapted to longitudinal layout in the Mustang, I have no doubt that a 2.5T Skyactiv would also be as easily adapted into the Miata. It is, after all an uplifted L series.

Also, look at how easily Fiat converted the 1.4T to longitudinal layout. Unlike Mazda/Ford, they had never done that before.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@JunkTop
Is the mustang better than the miata though

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BinaryMan

Stang certainly requires a neck with more defined hue of red color

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Skullbone
You're not getting a Boxster S for $10k

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BinaryMan
I don't think either of them is "better." They're both very good, but take nearly opposite approaches. I'd like to drive both back to back to see which experience I like more.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Skullbone
You know both the Boxster and Fiata use OE spec Bilstein shocks, right? Only difference is the Fiata's shocks are all new instead of 20 years old

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@BinaryMan
well the mustang is certainly faster

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Carnalpleasure

You're not getting a Boxster S for $10k

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Used+Cars/Porsche/Boxster?listingTypes=used&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=BOXSTE&makeCodeList=POR&trimCodeList=BOXSTE%7CS&searchRadius=0

@BlogWobbles

It's not just shocks, its steering, weight distribution and frankly engineering.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Would take the cars in this order
Cayman>Boxster>Miata>Fiat

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@PurpleCharger
1999 Boxster S
Doesn't exist, Boxster S was introduced in 2000
3.5L engine
Again wrong, god damn 911s at the time only had 3.4L engines
That's one scummy dealership

You really don't know anything about Boxsters, do you?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TurtleCat

If you're so smart, go correct the wiki page -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Boxster/Cayman#Boxster_986_model_history

and it's 3.2L @ 250HP

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@StrangeWizard
and you still think an 18 year old car is going to be in amazing condition and has suffered no wear and tear? I wanna know what you're smoking

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@StrangeWizard
he think production year is the same as the model year

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Boy_vs_Girl

Want a new car? Go buy a new car. All i'm arguing is for the same $$$, you get a better roadster by buying used boxster than a new fiata.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@hairygrape
If 20 year old Boxsters are so much better than new Fiata then why is this guy trading his in? @King_Martha

Fucking bus riders I swear

RavySnake
RavySnake

@PackManBrainlure

No clue. But he'll probably want the boxster back after spending 1-2 years with fiata.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@RavySnake
What makes you think that? Have you lived with both cars for several years?
Of course not, you've been riding the bust the entire time

farquit
farquit

@Ignoramus

Yea your moms bust, the entire time!

Just think about the costs/engineering efforts involved into design and production of both cars. Is Fiata great? Damn right, it's an awesome roadsters, way more fun than a corola for daily.

Boxster is just a higher class of a roadster and no fiata can touch that.

askme
askme

@farquit
Maybe a new one, but not one from 20 years ago
Why is this so hard for you to understand?

idontknow
idontknow

@farquit
So well engineered that Porsche has a class action lawsuit against them because those engine kept grenading themselves without warning

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RavySnake
he might want to swap the fiata in for a 981 once they can be had at a lower price, but going back to a 986 or 987.1? nah.

Methshot
Methshot

@kizzmybutt
Stop talking sense

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Ignoramus
Have you lived with either car?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Boy_vs_Girl
Answer the question

happy_sad
happy_sad

@kizzmybutt

That makes sense if fiata is kept stock. Doubt you get a good trade for a molested one

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Boxster is just a higher class of a roadster and no fiata can touch that.
and where's that higher class?
maybe the engine? oh wait, ims
in the suspension? fiata uses way more superior multilink front and rear compared to macphersons on porsche

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Spamalot
I'm a different user turning your question around on you since you seem to place value on the fact that his being able to make an argument depends on having spent time with both.
In short, I'm assuming you haven't and so your argument is invalid if his is.

Evilember
Evilember

@Boy_vs_Girl
@Spamalot

One doesn't have to taste shit to know shit.

I've driven and compared 124 and ND extensively and neither strike me as superior to a well maintained 986. But to each his own, I also like to work/maintain my own cars.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@iluvmen
We're talking Fiat and Porsche here, wake up user. Fiat isn't known to be a high tier manufacturer in any sense.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Firespawn
Good thing it's actually a Mazda

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TreeEater
He's the one making accusations as if he knows both cars

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Firespawn
Mazda > VAG

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@hairygrape
with a tune

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@AwesomeTucker
So you haven't driven either?

TechHater
TechHater

@Nojokur
Porsche is literally the best German made vehicle brand
Mazda is a tier-2 Japanese brand
Mazda isn't even in the same class

5mileys
5mileys

@VisualMaster
I've driven the ND and prefer it over the 986. New cars are better than old cars, deal with it

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@WebTool
@hairygrape

Source is: we spotted the test mule in Torino.

Also --> https://www.motor.es/noticias/fiat-abarth-124-gt-fotos-espia-201742352.html

Bidwell
Bidwell

Expect something like the 124 Rally

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

:'(

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@hairygrape
BUT CASH IS KING AND NEW CARS SUCK XDDD

TechHater
TechHater

@VisualMaster
implying I can't buy a new car in cash

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
the miata get crazy bodyroll because muh its a roadster the 124 dont.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TechHater
spending all that money in cash when you can finance instead and invest the cash you actually have
Fucking kids

Bidwell
Bidwell

@viagrandad
More accurately it has the same Bilsteins that the Miata Club car has

SniperGod
SniperGod

OP, on the off chance you are still around, I actually own one if you have questions

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SniperGod
If you got the time
how easy and safe does it feel to drive fast, outside of a track environment? would you be comfortable driving at, say, 8/10ths?
what kind of attention does it get and from what kinds of people? police, boomers, girls, guys, milfs, etc
what is it like on the highway? is it miserable and droney or could you go in a straight line for a few hours comfortably?
does it soak up bumps well, or does rough pavement upset the car?
how big are those pockets behind the seats?
any problems with it?
Thanks as always LPG

Bidwell
Bidwell

@cum2soon
absolute state of porsche cucks
muh 20 year old shitbox is better than a new car that is better than it in every way because muh badge
Literally Mercedes owner level of retardation.

likme
likme

@hairygrape
read this word with me

F.I.A.T

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SniperGod
How does it compare to a 986 Boxster?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@likme
FiAt is Souuuu beadd

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Skullbone
boxster has macpherson struts
fiata is double wishbone front and multilink rear

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TechHater
Porsche is a part of VAG, and is therefore shit., They even started by making better Beetles, and whatever performance cred they had left after building sportscars for decades is gone after building the Cayenne, Macan and Panamera - just rebadged Audis.

Mercedes and BMW are the GOAT German brands, anything else is denial.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@likme
Made in Japan by Mazda
Your point?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Sir_Gallonhead
The VW SUVs are just to make more money so they can make better sports cars that have fuck all to do with VW

BMW
GOAT
Now those are actual trash cars that fall apart once the warranty is over

Emberburn
Emberburn

@King_Martha
Fix It Again Takumi

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Sharpcharm
No, they're to make laods of money at the expense of a once-good brand name. Porsche has the highest profit margins in the entire VAG group: the SUV's certainly aren't there to fund the 911/Cayman, but to grab even more cash.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CodeBuns
I'm guessing you're too young to remember the financial situation Porsche was in before the Cayenne

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Evil_kitten

The point of a used 986 is it's at lowest point on depreciation curve.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Booteefool
I thought that 5 years ago, yet it's still sinking lower and lower
Once 994s reach meme status and skyrocket in value 986s will tank even harder

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BunnyJinx

That's great. I'll have like 2 donor cars for all my future parts needs.

DeathDog
DeathDog

people are actually defending my car
Lol

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@viagrandad

Miata had more body roll for street use, more mechanical grip, and make it more fun.

Body roll isnt necessarily bad in all situations but yea if you wanna race boi get some aftermarket stuff.

Also

ND Club > abarth spider > GT ND > Base ND > Base Spider

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Lord_Tryzalot
Pretty sure even the base 124 uses the ND Club's suspension

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