Redpill me on the weimar republic...

Weimar Republic was culturally, scientifically and economically the best germany has ever been compared to the world at the time.

It was doing great post hyper inflation, IMO, the government let the mark hyperinflate as an excuse to delay reparation repayments.

Up until great depression in 1929, Weimar republic was doing really well, socially, economically and scientifically

Germany was hit hardest by the great depression due to its reliance on foreign loans, such as the Dawes plan. America was pumping shit tons into Germany, when the depression came around, all the americans and other foreign investors pulled their loans from Germany. This gave rise to extreme parties on both the left and right side, yadayada NSDAP etc

They were patricians. Top-tier art all round - but of course the fucking Nazis had to ruin it because muh jewish degenerates xddd

By 1933 the worst effects of the great depression were already going away. Hitler just had to ride the current and support it with unsustainable spending.

The chancellor in 1932 was from the Catholic Centre, nice try though.

This pretty much

Well, people living there chose rather a fucking Adolf Hitler.

The Weimar Republic gets shit for having the most chaotic clusterfuck of a political system of all time. There were several dozens of parties, of which several were usually included in the parliament at the same time. There were the SPD, USPD, ASPD, DDP, DVP, DNVP, BP, NSDAP, KPD, Zentrum and a ton of others. No laws could usually be passed with this system, but luckily there were Enabling Acts which allowed the chancellor to pass laws in spite of what the parliament said. At times, the chancellor had no members of his own party in the cabinet.

Put it this way: it's better than anarchy.

However, despite it being a government, a lot of the population felt that it was illegitimate and a sort of substitute state following ww1. Was it good? That's a matter of personal opinion, but to a lot of Germans it felt rushed, forgettable and ultimately illegitimate.

They didn't. Hindenburg chose Hitler because he assumed that the coalition the Nazis formed wasn't stable enough to let him actually do anything of note.

Then Hitler burned down the Reichstag and got "emergency" powers to send everyone who opposed him to Dachau.

People forget that by the time Hitler was appointed the Nazis were just beginning to decline in popularity.

The old elites destroyed Weimar Republic. It was too good for Germans.

>republic

That's the problem right there

>/pol/ is mostly left-wing
Wtf am I reading. /pol/ memes about Hitler doing nothing wrong but they're as right wing as it gets.

This

I've been on /pol/ for 5 years now. Believe it or not they used sympathize even harder with the nazis. Libertarianism is now a competing ideology on there.

The Nazis were pretty degenerate.

What is more degenerate than genocide anyway.

> What is more degenerate than genocide anyway
being a cuck :^)

It was more that the lack of a strong Liberal wing destroyed a lot of the European countries that became Communists or Fascists in the Interwar period. There still being a strong liberal tradition in Britain and the US is what kept things from going too wild

Weimar Germany was pretty legit until the Great Depression happened and France kept calling in the war reparations. A pretty high point for German art, architecture, music, productivity, etc. that the Nazis ended up exploiting and then halting

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>/pol/ is left wing
>the very board that whines about leftists, started the alt right internet movement and espouses outdated information used by right wingers and white nationalists to voice their opinion.

Hitler didn't burn the Reichstag, it was recently proved that Marinus did it. The Nazis, being the schemy jews they were, took advantage of it.

It was paradise for the Jews, but hell for everyone else.

zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-02/reason-hyperinflation-phobia

>“The collapse of money and the collapse of morals became identical,” writes Taylor. Flesh was for sale as is depicted in “Cabaret” and not just with traditional prostitutes but “the newly dispossessed daughters (and sons) of the educated middle class, who had now also taken to the sex trade, were endlessly available at a price–preferably in cigarettes, precious metals or hard currency rather than paper marks.”

>With the inflation wiping out the savings of the middle class, it meant young women had no dowries to offer. “When the money became worthless,” wrote one woman, “it destroyed the whole system for getting married, and so it destroyed the whole idea of remaining chaste until marriage.”

>The author cites a story from Russian writer Ilya Ehrenburg about a night out with friends from Berlin’s foreign colony. he writes that they ended up at a “thoroughly respectable bourgeois apartment.” They were offered lemonade with a little alcohol in it and then the two daughters of the house entered, in an unclothed state, and began to dance. The mother looked hopefully at the foreign guests: Perhaps her daughters would please them and would pay well, in dollars, of course. “And this is what we call life,” the mother sighed. “Actually it’s purely and simply the end of the world.”

Weimar wasn't that bad and part of the reason Nazis had the vigor to fight such a successful war alone must have been Weimar Republic did OK in governing the German people.

Weimar was destroyed because the people that cared for Weimar became a minority.

Neither the Nazis, nor the Commies cared, while only SPD and the like did.

The leftists there should and could have organized a national front sort of thing to stop it from happening with popular support, though hitler did have the rich on his side.

I personally identify Weimar with high school and the people and the teacher i learnt about Weimar with.

It was comfy, and I miss those people, though they probably don't remember me at all.

I legitimately will always look at Weimar through rose-tinted glasses.

Germany has never had a tradition of liberty. Ever since at least the French Revolution they'd always been enemies of liberty.

You know how America keeps fucking up the Middle East by just plopping down a democracy, leaving, and expecting barely literate Shariafags to run a modern democracy? Weimar was the precursor to that. The Germans had no experience with democracy, suddenly had a democracy pushed into their hands, it failed, and the people drifted to totalitarian ideologies. Because strongmen is what they were used to. Even by the standards of the Ancien Regime, Prussian rulers were strongmen. Willy had an entire inferiority complex due to his fucked-up arm because the Prussians expected their king to be a great and strong warrior (therefore physically sound).

Hitler never achieved a majority in the Reichstag. Even when he became a dictator it depended upon the support of other parties

Hyperinflation was contained by 1925 and after that was one of the strongest economies in Europe, even with the hit it took during the great depression - Ironically enough, the Nazi party's 'economic miracle' was produced by meme-tier economic policies built on piles of debt and the flawed ideals of muh autarky that would probably have fucked them over by the 1940s had it not been for the second world war.

>its a "leftypol pretends the Weimar Republic was a perfect utopia simply because /pol/ says it was a dystopian nightmare" thread

That doesn't make them left wing you stupid pathetic faggot

Ever heard of the Vormärz? Your comparison stinks, starting at the "barely literate" bit. Reducing German politics to Prussian strongmen is horseshit, too. The Hanseatic cities have been run by senates for centuries for instance. But yeah, knowledge of several stereotypes makes you an expert I guess.

It had its flaws, like many democracies do and some very bad flaws as well.
Yet, regarding the fact that a shit ton of European nations ended up in authoritarian and totalitarian regimes shows, that it was not solely the fault of post-war German democracy, that the nation went fascist.

>Vormärz
Massive censorship and police state.
>reducing German politics to Prussian strongmen is horseshit, too
But it's not. There is a reason why 1948 revolution failed in German countries.

1848 revolution*

Look at the amount of countries turning towards dictatorships in the interwar years.
Clearly, this was not just a German thing

>almost all of them are new countries or countries that never experienced democracy before
Really makes you think.

It was pretty bad, sadly I am at work so I don't have access to my sources.

Portugal, Italy, (somewhat Spain), Germany, Greece where constitutional monarchies, some of them parlamentary constitutional monarchies. That is as democratic as Britains parlamentary constitutional monarchy.

Spain had a civil war, so it should be pink desu

It was shit. Weimar was a barely stable state. There was a cultural revolution but it was more like a starving African kid wearing a plate in his mouth.

The only people who say it wasn't are communist revisionists.

>Hitler never achieved a majority in the Reichstag
Hitler never achieved a COALITION majority in the Reichstag. There were more seats for the NSDAP than any other party in 1933.

>The only people who say it wasn't are communist revisionists.
I'm pretty sure commies are not big fans of Weimar either

I never meant to say it did. I just find it interesting that as much as /pol/ cops shit for being nazi's now they were REALLY nazi's 5 years ago.

Interesting I had no idea

A lot of communists worship Weimar for some reason even though the faults of Weimar had nothing to do with communism.

>That is as democratic as Britains parlamentary constitutional monarchy
No. The constitution was completely different giving all the power to the Emperor, chancellor and the army. Reichstag was nearly powerless.

Weimar was a perfectly stable state between the end of hyperinflation and the Great Depression.

>Reichstag was nearly powerless
Except it pushed Bismarck to let through laws regarding social-democratic laws in fear of a social democratic majority in the Reichstag

>tfw you're a homosexual Jew considered to be the top literary academic pushing the views of another homosexual Jew while pretending you're the face of neo-Germanic culture abroad when in fact you're destroying German culture.

>good standards of living and quality of life
>communists would have continued this unlike every other time in history.
Loving Every Laugh

It was a democratic with an independent foreign policy. This is more than Germany will ever be again.

When it comes to the power ranking of German countries throughout history, it's

Weimar Republic > German Democratic Republic > Bismarck Reich > German Federal Republic > Prussia

Also, /pol/ is evidently dumb as trash, so don't even consider their opinion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Socialist_Laws
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf

>Bismarck was intent on maintaining royal supremacy by ending the budget deadlock in the King's favour, even if he had to use extralegal means to do so. Under the Constitution, the budget could be passed only after the king and legislature agreed on its terms. Bismarck contended that since the Constitution did not provide for cases in which legislators failed to approve a budget, there was a "legal loophole" in the Constitution and so he could apply the previous year's budget to keep the government running. Thus, on the basis of the 1861 budget, tax collection continued for four years.[23]
>Following the Alvensleben Convention of 1863, the House of Deputies resolved that it could no longer come to terms with Bismarck; in response, the King dissolved the Diet, accusing it of trying to obtain unconstitutional control over the ministry—which, under the Constitution, was responsible solely to the king. Bismarck then issued an edict restricting the freedom of the press, an edict that even gained the public opposition of the Crown Prince.
It was far from a real democracy.

>I like my nations weak militarily, full of discord, infighting, coups, and cultural degradation.

Not even 2/10 I replied b8 m8.

>weak militarily
Versailles.
>full of discord
Not after 1924.
>infighting
Not after 1924.
>coups
Not after 1924.
>cultural degradation
Weimar Republic is the highest point in German culture.

>yeah it was BUT only up to this specific time

Its so tiresome user.

>highest point of German culture

Just kill yourself already. Musically, philosophically, it had nothing compared to previous eras.

>Its so tiresome user.
It's true, so? It was a fully functioning democratic country with a very high standard of living, especially for the workers.

>Musically, philosophically, it had nothing compared to previous eras.
It's actually much better.

Back to /pol/, brainlet.

>deriding the Weimar Republic as a failure makes me a Nazi

Anime.

I don't care what you consider yourself, just shut your brainlet mouth.

Any good academic books on the Weimar era?

>Brainlet is now just 'cuck' for leftist pseudo-intellectuals

An interesting development.

It's not only about the Weimar era, but it's good.

amazon.com/Germany-Long-Road-West-v/dp/0199265976

Sounds leftwing

Yes it does.

Weimar Germany: Promise and Tragedy
bookzz.org/md5/AAFC652A3F8ACEE2B7BF7E41FD712398

Also check this out too:
isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic793411.files/Wk 11_Nov 12th/Berman_1997_Weimar_Civil_Society.pdf

>PDF deleted

My bad, wrong one
en.bookfi.net/md5/AAFC652A3F8ACEE2B7BF7E41FD712398

Thanks my dudes.

What makes you a brainlet is earnestly replying to a false flagger. unless of course you were roleplaying which seems a pretty common thing for /pol/lacks to do. Either option, the shoe fits.

>alt right internet movement
>posting pictures of frogs in blue shirts is a movement

>his has such bad traffic they didnt even bother to include it

Weimar had the same problems that any German government had in the past, which was that the constitution was not very clear and even rushed.

The German Empire before was a bit like the Russian Empire in terms of government, though if there was a sliding scale of autocracy-modernity, they would be at the opposite poles since Russian Empire was anything but modern while the German Empire had the advantage of being advanced in many respects.

In the German Empire there wasn't really any sort of clear who is on top, supposedly it was the Kaiser, but since its inception to Bismarck getting fired, it was the Chancellor, and that was clear to all the other nations when Wilhelm I died and his liberal son became Emperor, yet Bismarck stayed.

When Bismarck was fired by Wilhelm II, the Kaiser DID become the one in power for a short time, and so came all of the foreign policy blunders that lead to Germany being somewhat alienated from Europe right before World War I. The Kaiser did not keep the absolute power over the country by some point early in the 20th century, and so absolute power was exercised more by his various ministers.

When the war broke out, the power shifted entirely to the military, all policy basically resting on them as they engaged in what was becoming a total war.

At the end of the war, the new Weimar Germany was created under the duress of trying to be recognized before the communists, and so there was a degree of rushing with the constitution, which was not that different from the Imperial one, just with figures and offices renamed and made to be elected or appointed instead of hereditary. A notable thing it did was have fully universal suffrage (women too) just like how Bismarck's German Constitution gave universal male suffrage.

>Veeky Forums
>literally shitposting about drivetrains and lap times
>has a resident furfag who consistently nukes the board for lulz
>"intelligent"
How outdated is this?
Don't think Veeky Forums existed at the time

There was no European nation with a more entrenched tradition of liberties than Germany during the Holy Roman Empire. There were free imperial cities, peasant republics, even "sovereign individuals" (the Imperial Knights).

Yes, it was an aristocratic form of liberty, but so was English liberty, that ended up influencing the United States. What the French Revolution introduced in Germany was nationalism and the centralization of power, which led to unification by Prussia and the end of German liberties, so that today most people think Germany has always been an authoritarian shithole.