Why are you still browsing this shit board?

Is it bad that I dont care about history at all and come here only for the humanities?

I like to challenge the lies that are spread about National Socialism.

I've almost given up on it. I only browse it occasionally and casually now. It's certainly a massive disappointment.

same, i got fed up of rampant hitler dindu shitposting

>implying this place isn't the vanguard of respectful and intelligent historical discussion

Because it's better than other boards. Your picture doesn't really fit Veeky Forums.

I use filters and go straight to interesting topics in the catalog.

Veeky Forums is an utter shithole. It's easily one of the most retarded boards on Veeky Forums.

explain

>Pro-Soviet sentiments
>Anti-US
>Not the most fedora thing ever

There's little to explain. The people here have no idea what they're talking about. Like Veeky Forums, which is a board browsed by people who "like" science but don't really know much about it due to being mostly still in high school, it's a board browsed by people who "like" history - the problem here being that the entry hurdle is even lower since people who like science at least often have a basic understanding of maths and aren't completely retarded but might become competent at some point.

Because I've lost control of my life.

you'd have to change some stuff for this to fit Veeky Forums

He got embarrassed in an argument here and is now trying to save face by discrediting the entire board.

I've witnessed too much BTFO to write off the population of this board. SOME people know what the heck they're talking about and are happy to show that to people who pretend like they do.

what would you consider examples of what you describe?

>that pic

Veeky Forums is the closest board to Veeky Forums.

I'm sorry but Veeky Forums doesn't really compare to shit boards like /v/, /x/, /tv/ and /pol/

It's also not as great as boards like Veeky Forums, /n/ or /out/

I'm not a communist, but I'd rather have conversations about communism with someone who doesn't think the USSR was communist.

As someone with actual qualifications in history I have to agree with this guy.

Even the threads that some of you think are "good" are still 99% made up of retards pulling shit out of their ass.

The problem is that even the posters that are trying to be serious don't even know enough to know they don't know have a clue what they are talking about. A bit like me deciding I know all about nuclear physics and popping up on Veeky Forums to discuss it.

Literally any thread about historical arms and armour is filled with more ignorance than you'd find on /v/.

Because i must defeat the jews and save the western civilization

Veeky Forums is the closest board to /pol/, or possibly to /int/

Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums couldn't be further apart

you're not browsing Veeky Forums enough to know that underneath all of the bait and shitposting the board is full of people who actually know their shit

Veeky Forums not as much but it still applies.

I bet you browsed Veeky Forums for a couple hours, couldn't understand the memes and the shitposting, and are now mad

Maybe /r/askhistorians is more up your alley

Veeky Forums is literally /int/ without flags.

>Literally every thread about Hitler or the Holocaust shits on the Nazis
How is this /pol/?

>As someone with actual qualifications in history

I do the same. I don't see much humanities threads anymore, mostly just history now.

We're having a million threads about them every literal day and they're usually divided 50/50.

The only reason why they're not completely /pol/ yet is because the /pol/lacks are busy shitposting on /pol/ and can't bother yet.

>divided
Not really. Usually it's just /pol/ getting BTFO.

I think that's wishful thinking on your side.

Nice quads m8

>Every other Veeky Forums thread is "Tell me about X" or "When will this meme die?"
>Veeky Forums should be given a medal because every other thread isn't "Red pill me about Hitler" or "When will this meme die?"

Quads of truth, /pol/ confirmed for BTFO

/pol/ stuff is on the rise with Veeky Forums, it's getting progressively worse
I remember we were much better off on the first day
nice quads too

>/pol/ stuff is on the rise with Veeky Forums
It's only going to get worse after the elections when /pol/ calms down again and has more time to shitpost elsewhere.

moot was right.

>moot was right.
truer words never spoken in regards to Veeky Forums
why didn't we listen

How do we distinguish between /pol/ and Veeky Forums without going full SJW?

People should be allowed to disagree with liberals.

Nah, see Of all the boards on Veeky Forums, we're also the ones who know enough history to call /pol/ out on their lies.

The board is good desu, you just get so many shitty /int/ threads, that rarely get serious replies, and mostly get shitty oneliners.
Also, 25 year rule. The board needs more moderation.

Good board, it's just disappointing that every theological thread or someone placing doubt in the existence of god is bombarded by Christians spouting their old fedora meme and in general are very rude when someone has serious questions or issues. Ironically the Christians I talk to irl are genarlly good well rounded people compared to the ones on here that just masturbate to pictures of the Virgin Mary and spout deus valt. Shame their generals are never enough to contain them ah well.

Wow, moot truly was a prophet. He even predicted the /int/ country vs. country shitposting, the other cancer of Veeky Forums, as well.

I really wouldn't mind more stringent moderation. At least obvious /pol/ ("Why does anyone shit believe in the HOLOHOAX fucking kikes") and /int/ ("France/Britain/Germany is irrelevant shit lewl aren't I cool and edgy") threads should be deleted

He was prophetic if what you meant to say was shitposting about countries instead of country vs country shitposting.

>Why are you still browsing this shit board?
I have my reasons.

>mfw we are browsing an abomination that was never intended by its creator

Or having 3 concurrent threads about the Yugoslav wars that are obvious bait to get Croats and Serbs to fight on a board with no flags.

I come here exclusively to shitpost.

The problem is that then there's hardly anything left that doesn't fit on other boards as well. Philosophy can be discussed on Veeky Forums, historical weaponry can be discussed on /k/ and anything that actually touches history is severely biased by the various nationalist views held by the participants in the discussion.

Case by case basis. Look for /pol/'s tired old meme arguments. If the poster is using their own language, then they're good.

It's really not that hard, anyone with half a brain can do it

Or are you afraid of your own flag?

>If the poster is using their own language, then they're good.
Language policing is exactly what SJWs do.

Just disregard the post that contains the word "cuck"

t. cuck

/x/ is a brilliant board.

Not that the unenlightened sheeple of Veeky Forums (who probably aren't even aware that aliens have visited Earth) could appreciate it.

/x/ is a mixed bag
it has some bottom of the barrel garbage, like creepypasta shit
but it has some interesting stuff like the esoteric threads and some of the conspiracies
it has some hot memes too

>it's an everyone hates Veeky Forums even though they'll post on it day in day out ...forever episode

/int/ is much too highbrow for the level of shitposting that can happen on Veeky Forums.

Which is saying something.

>anything that actually touches history is severely biased by the various nationalist views held by the participants in the discussion.
Well there is a difference between posters having some nationalist bias but still discussing relevant topics (like an actual evidence-based discussion of the Versailles treaty) and obvious /int/ shitposts claiming some country has never won a war ever or what have you

Creepypasta threads aren't all bad, they're just very hit or miss. Mostly miss.

Sadly.

>Like Veeky Forums, which is a board browsed by people who "like" science but don't really know much about it
While that may be what we're pestered with throughout the greater parts of thread, there remains that there's usually a lone user who's knowledgeable enough on the matter to school us. There might not be everyone here for whom history is more than simply than a hobby, but I wouldn't bar that dwelling among us are people tactile enough on their own fields to not let bullshit be constantly regurgigated on here. So yeah, 99% of this board might be nearing on retardation, but there are usually the remaining 1% to redeem it, and better our knowledge whenever revealing themselves.

Barring that we might we be flooded by newfriends or /pol/tards soon enough, I genuinely think that this can one of the few boards that is destined to only change for the better, with each of us having history seat a more important place in our lives.

Me for example, I'm that "history" guy you might've known in school, who'd read on the subject whenever he hand the chance, but mostly rested on his laurels of having his reputation as the "history kid" already. But now this board has opened up me to how retarded my vision of history once was, and I now have some real history books piled on my shelf to shuffle through when I can.

If this happens to each of us, and we each swallow our pride by relearning what we thought he once knew, then this board can actually become awesome.

there's a line between self-deprecation and self-awareness, we're walking trough it

>mfw I love both Burzum AND the Evangelion OST

Should I just shoot myself? Also, any Tannhauser reccs?

>an actual evidence-based discussion of the Versailles treaty
Sounds like a /pol/ euphemism to me; something akin to how racists tend to call themselves "race realists" nowadays. An "evidence-based" discussion of the Versailles treaty means shitposts between butthurt French on one side and Wehraboos/Reichaboos/Prussiaboos on the other, throwing Wikipedia articles at each other as well as well as a bunch of numbers from severely biased sources which often are impossible to verify because nobody else but the one who posts them has the source at hand.

All this falls perfectly in line with .

The most civil and enjoyable threads on Veeky Forums are imagedumps on historical weaponry, and that's probably because they're mostly visited by the good folks from Veeky Forums or /k/ who know that bringing politics into a thread instantly ruins them.

Recognizing when someone trots out the same old shitposts and debunked arguments is what everyone does.

No ones stopping them from doing it, you just get an idea of someone's agenda very easily once you see what they're doing.

>it's the anti-/pol/ scapegoating thread where everyone feels intellectually superior

waiting for Hiro to remove & humanities

>An "evidence-based" discussion of the Versailles treaty means shitposts between butthurt French on one side and Wehraboos/Reichaboos/Prussiaboos on the other, throwing Wikipedia articles at each other as well as well as a bunch of numbers from severely biased sources which often are impossible to verify because nobody else but the one who posts them has the source at hand.
Well yes, that is what it is usually like on Veeky Forums now, but I have on occasion seen anons actually bring in real evidence as in real academic history books and articles.

I think it is pretty sad if we can't ever discuss any historical issues that are actually controversial, so the only "good" threads are boring (IMO, and that of many others) imagedumps

>you just get an idea of someone's agenda very easily once you see what they're doing
This is exactly the SJW line of reasoning. You don't read what people have to say but you look for triggering words and flag people in your mind as enemies if they happen to use them. You're supposed to treat people based on their actual arguments not based on "hidden agendas" which you believe they might be having (which could as well be only present inside your head).

>Atheism
>believes in the dark ages
>watches youtube videos of Dawkins instead of John Green

this is the complete opposite of Veeky Forums

>actual arguments
Calling people cucks and posting unsourced infographics are not actual arguments tho

jokes on you

I believe that the fall of Rome was beneficial to western history AND that the dark ages was a shit period

and though I think there was historical good that comes from religion I still don't believe in said religion (fiction and myths have their own virtues after all).

Oh look it's the daily redditcuck neckbeards whining about le /pol/ boogeyman thread

sage

>bring in real evidence as in real academic history books and articles.
And what keeps those from being severely biased? History is a highly political discipline, it should be neutral but it's not. The views of people also depend on the sources they had at hand and certain archives weren't opened yet or otherwise available to them then their picture is incomplete. Yet you still find plenty of people cite from biased or outdated sources if it suits their agenda.

The problem with the imageboard environment is that it's about fast and ephemeral discussion. It's not really suited for making an actual academic argument or refuting one within the short-lived time of a thread. In the end it's people throwing unverifiable "facts" at each other that back their respective points.

>the only "good" threads are boring (IMO, and that of many others) imagedumps
In my opinion an imageboard is more suited for that kind of thing.

How many holocaust denial and "dude, SJWs lmao" threads do we need a day?

This. And I am qualified to judge cause I teach history as part of my PhD program. Would love some "nerdy" discussion about obscure aspect of history but most people here have a very superficial education and/or got most of they knowledge online. From Wiki at best and at worst from shitty racist blogs. In literally every holocaust discussion I see the same /pol/-macros created by people who don't even speak German instead of arguments and "high level of discourse".
>Why are you still browsing this shit board?
I don't I need something to do while ripping CDs or loading Civ.

I am hungover as fuck tho. Fuck my spelling.

You can always hide the threads that trigger you. Go to the catalog and press SHIFT and left click

>And what keeps those from being severely biased? History is a highly political discipline, it should be neutral but it's not. The views of people also depend on the sources they had at hand and certain archives weren't opened yet or otherwise available to them then their picture is incomplete. Yet you still find plenty of people cite from biased or outdated sources if it suits their agenda.
Obviously, but that is my point. All sources are in some sense biased. Just because something is political, doesn't mean you can't have a good discussion about it. Veeky Forums manages to have decent discussions about controversial issues despite being an imageboard, why can't Veeky Forums?

>Why are you still browsing this shit board?

Because there is still so much to discuss about the Jewish role during the German Revolution.

One of the very first steps of any form or source criticism is asking who is writing and for what purpose and audience is he doing so.

problem is following this you would have to respond to every "WHY DID THE HOLOHOAX NEVER HAPPENED?" or "HITLER DINDUNUFFIN" thread that pops up

and you end up with a catalog full of nothing but shitposting because how easy it is to get people to reply

I learn something new from this board atleast 4 times a week. Just Wikipedia everything you don't know.

Veeky Forums is slower and has a "boring" title. It does not attract the same kinds of people a history board does.

>you don't read what they say
No, you read what they say, recognize its similarities to what you've encountered before and personally, it may inform you on what that person will say and likely thinks. I remain open, but unsurprised if conversation descends into shitposts, holocaust denial, moral judgements on scarcely post-iron age Arabian people and phrenology.

You're thinking I just shut off discussion and yell
No, it's a short hand based off experience that serves your debate rather than ending it.

I'm not disregarding arguments when they begin with a meme arrow, are accompanied by a Pepe, and assert factually incorrect ideas and misconceptions passed around on /pol/.

Yeah cause you retards and are not able to derail any threads or open thinly disguised holocaust denial threads. Just have /hol/ general and keep you retardation contained and I will gladly hide that thread.

Both your examples are fairly straightforward with no hidden agenda. I'm not talking about those, I'm talking about someone wanting to discuss Schopenhauer and tumblrinas freaking out over misogyny for example.

>In literally every holocaust discussion I see the same /pol/-macros created by people who don't even speak German instead of arguments and "high level of discourse".
Like this one. It's a forged macro (I claim it never was on wiki in that form cause it objectively wrong) and really doesn't make any sense if you know the difference between the German revolution and the Spartacist uprising.

Moot's vision for Veeky Forums was a place that isn't an echo chamber and develops a board culture resistant to trolling. You can't have the freedom to scrutinize mainstream views without allowing others to abuse this freedom, that is the sacrifice you make.

There are only a few controversial topics. Maybe Veeky Forums could make some infographics about each one to nip /pol/posting in the bud or at least advance the conversation.