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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Duel Links General #119

The Heart of the Mediocre Man! Edition

Last Thread: /vg/thread/190179375#p190179375

Latest News
The Duel Tower event is live now. After each duel, your life points don't reset. Rev up those Reshef of Destruction repressed memories.
GX world will be going live September 28th. Trailer [YouTube] 遊戯王デュエルリンクス PV GXワールド開放! (embed)
Bonz will be available to unlock in October
new full box out, too soon to tell if it changes the meta
Duelist Kingdom will be returning late October, and after that, a new playable GX Legendary Duelist will arrive.

Useless (Duel) Links
sites with good info on LDs, skills, deck lists, beginner guides, etc. (VERY OUTDATED)
http://duellinks.gamea.co/
http://www.duellinksmeta.com/

android emulators
https://www.bignox.com/
http://www.bluestacks.com/

A few tips for bad players
Create and link a Konami ID to play on multiple devices and save your progress in case of a crash
Turn your battery/power usage bar up to max in the settings menu for a smoother experience
when sending Vagabonds, always choose the 1 card challenge because it's gives the most XP
using the modded APK to farm will result in a ban eventually
Decide on what deck you want to build before spending gems. If you're are really unsure about what to buy, Dawn of Destiny is a solid choice because it contains the components for Naturia and Phoenix decks which are both KoG tier. On top of that, it's a minibox so it's easy to clear.
Level up Mai and Keith first to unlock Windstorm of Etaqua and Metalmorph

All urls found in this thread:
http://duellinks.gamea.co/
http://www.duellinksmeta.com/
https://www.bignox.com/
http://www.bluestacks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOsSI8OhNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSVgmOL08I
https://www.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/71kt99/psa_dd_tower_tipstricks_heads_up_and_other_things/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjoFTonQ6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOsSI8OhNo
https://ygorganization.com/duel-links-additional-update-gx-world/
https://youtu.be/0Cd86Hy8iuI
https://youtu.be/E43zpORLi5w
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZdCFqmgnli/?taken-by=studio_dice
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Litmus_Doom_Swordsman
http://www.duellinksmeta.com/mcs2.html
https://ygoprodeck.com/history-of-the-meta-part-1-beatdown/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI3ZBuc924U&index=1&list=PLyyIspWf8XA10314TlWRKS6JKUyxNupc6
https://my.mixtape.moe/mvfufy.MOV
Nojokur
Nojokur

@ZeroReborn
"Advice" about staying less than stage 39 finally removed
I like this new OP

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You know what would be a great addition to this game? Some more dragon support

Techpill
Techpill

@Sharpcharm
Haha! yes my friend! A new Dragon Structure deck would be most welcoming!

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

WHEN

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Fuzzy_Logic
Post yfw Sartorius gets Luck on your Side and all the Arcana cards

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
You have to do some crazy shenanigans to be able to summon this while there are 2 monsters on your side of the field and even then it's a %50 chance
kinda lame..

Inmate
Inmate

@ZeroReborn
Next time add " Buy one pack at a time for increased luck"

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fuzzy_Logic
they make the world a skill
Any time you use it in the japanese version Sartorius Yells ZA WARUDO

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@DeathDog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOsSI8OhNo

Methnerd
Methnerd

Suggestions? Trying to get 1 more Dust Knight and TttD.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

How viable is XYZ in this?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Carnalpleasure
It's the thinking man's deck.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PackManBrainlure
How so? I always liked the psuedo-fusion aspect. Is De-fusion in this too? What do decks usually look like besides 3 of each component and Frontline Base/Roll out?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TalkBomber
You gotta plan out every action individually. When to Fusion, what Fusion is the best in the current situation, stalling well enough until you can get your pieces out since 2/3rds of the archetype are below 1700 attack normally.

Most decks usually are based on
3x Machina Peacekeepers
3x X Heads
3x Z Tanks
1-2x Y Dragons
1x Frontline Base
1x Double Summon
and glue cards like Roll out and basic meta cards like E-Con and SRH sprinkled in at your leisure.

Y Dragon's and their fusions are the least useful, so they tend not to have the full 3 copies in an XYZ deck. Machina Peacekeeper protects you Fusions and gets back any pieces that you had to sack beforehand. XZ is generally the best Fusion and what you'll be using the majority of the time since it matches Red-Eyes in attack and has one of the more useful abilities.

Very rarely will you be able to get out the entire XYZ Dragon Cannon out because of the fast-paced nature of Duel Links and needing all the combo pieces on the field.

Throwing in stuff like Fusion Weapon, Machine Assembly Line, Heavy Mech Support Armor, and other cards can give the deck some fun support options.

De-Fusion was added in the last box a few days ago. I don't believe it would work with a XYZ deck since it requires the cards to be in the Graveyard, doesn't it? When the XYZ pieces are banished after Fusion.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Konami will fear the samurai

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

mfw game just randomly updated for me feelsgood

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BinaryMan
Ah. I forgot peacekeeper and double summon were a thing. I guess this version wouldn't be very reliable then

5mileys
5mileys

holy shit, some guy actually used worms in Legend

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Bonz might actually come with zombie world skill or have it as a lvl reward
KONAMI PLZ

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@viagrandad
Looks a bit too slow and bricky, yeah. Machina is great because it somewhat circumvents the weakness of the XYZ pieces and pulls them right back whenever they knocked down, which for a Fusion deck relying on weak monsters to be on the field is a life saver.

Having two Frontlines and Assembly Lines is probably not a great idea either. You generally don't want to throw down Y's or Z's unless you have an X already on the field, which isn't classified as a Union monster itself. 1 Frontline is generally enough so you don't brick too many times, while Double Summon is better used as a second alternative since it doesn't stay on the field and take up S/T spaces and can be used for X Heads too.
In my opinion, Assembly Line just plain ain't worth it. The attack boost is too low to matter with how weak the monsters are, it's too slow to return your fallen pieces, and I'd generally rather have a different card entirely in my hand over Assembly Line in most cases. If you absolutely want to use it, keep it at 1.

Like I said before, most Y Dragons are generally kept at 2 max in most decks. It's too unlikely to be able to summon the full XYZ, and its fusion with X and Z aren't as good as XZ. Not to mention you can choose instead to put something in the space where your third Dragon would be instead, like an ECon or Machina Peacekeeper.

Roll Out is okay. I prefer Peacekeeper, but it's a perfectly good alternative. Luminous Spark is actually really fun. The boost from it is actually quite useful compared to Assembly Lines. I keep one in my XYZ, but two would probably brick too often.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

so you guys got all the points from the tower event?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@New_Cliche
Reminder that Z can still union with Y if it has to so it's not like they're dead together without X. I've already

idontknow
idontknow

@BlogWobbles
*I've already won a surprising amount of ranked matches and gotten to floor 27 by Frontline ZY then drawing into X and dumping my hand for field destruction. I concede your point though and will revamp this asap

massdebater
massdebater

Sound this Takahasi ever give a good reason as to why he created this fucking shit kid?

Methshot
Methshot

@massdebater
*So did

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methnerd
CV
Nice meme you meme loving faggot

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Don't let the thread die now guys

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fried_Sushi
even then it's a %50 chance
Not if Sartorius gets a skill that makes it 100%.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@ZeroReborn
and after that, a new playable GX Legendary Duelist will arrive

"Teach" It's Crowler, also in the japanse notifications says: "nyohohoho and naanone!"
He's the only character that talk like that.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

/vg/thread/190179375#p190412686
best girl is anime filler

Sad.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@massdebater
getting cucked by a baby

God, Yugi's pathetic.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm
GX in 3 days. I want to try and minimize any possible information so we don't get more shit like Super Kaiba or Grandpa Yugi OPs. If he's not a part of the introductory GX cast, the next OP can add in Crowler as the LD with no problems from me.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Firespawn
Goddamn, do I need sleep. I meant that I want to minimize any possible misinformation until we have conclusive, airtight proof. I'll put Crowler in the next OP as the LD if he isn't part of the GX cast from the get-go.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

How can I make this deck better? I keep switching things up, but no way seems or feels right. I keep getting fucked. What am I doing wrong?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sharpcharm
ANTIKU GEAH GOLEMU?!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@AwesomeTucker
It is simple a weak concept.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Tell me a good reptile build please

Evilember
Evilember

@Playboyize
GX cast from the get-go.
I think we'll only get Jaden, Chazz, Alexis and Aster this Wednesday.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Gigastrength
WORMS

askme
askme

@TalkBomber
TAPE WORMS?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Evilember
Those were the ones officially announced and datamined so far, but we'll see for certain in 3 days.

WebTool
WebTool

@Crazy_Nice
Pepperoni

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evilember
@Emberfire
Aren't you guys forgetting someone?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@AwesomeTucker
use the new fire beasts bro

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Evilember
What about Bastion? You think Konami make an event for him, lol?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

wow cerberus decks fucking suck

fucking regret buying this shitty card

Booteefool
Booteefool

How the fuck does Ojama king work in speed Duels?!

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@kizzmybutt
Nope, those are the only characters announced

@CouchChiller
What about Bastion?
Literally who?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Booteefool
it won't
people are expecting to run ojamas and be KoG instantly, but they will get BTFO instantly

iluvmen
iluvmen

@CouchChiller
@kizzmybutt
Bastion is weird. They kept him at the end to make a joke about how he got shafted and forgotten about compared to the rest of the cast, but Water Dragon does have an animation so he's going to be in the game. Crowler also was in the trailer as well, but if the LD coming in October is him, the other GX LD's not the 4 announced might be LD's as well. We don't know how it's gonna work yet.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Ignoramus
not using lp beta or gamma to insta fusion summon ojama king with cyberstein turn 1

TechHater
TechHater

@iluvmen
*Might be event LD's as well

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

we are not getting cyberdragon anytime soon right?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TurtleCat
I hope not. Chimeratech Fortress Dragon would be cool though.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@BlogWobbles
You mean from the new box, right? Opening another big box just for Caninetaur or something? Ehh, idk. I just opened fucking 97 packs for 2 Crystal Seers and an Aegis of Gaia for a 3SD DM deck I've been working on. All I need is 2 more CV's, and I can't tell if all of this is worth it. I really hope so, even though I had to spend those gems before they expired anyway. So, I really just put together that Fire deck because I opened other packs, but I actually wanna try to make it be a decent deck. What should I add / remove?

Techpill
Techpill

@Nude_Bikergirl
Forgot pic.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TurtleCat
If Kaiser/Zane isn't in the launch roster we'll have him by the end of the year, so soon

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Techpill
Looks like a decent deck to stay in Gold forever.

TechHater
TechHater

I'm addicted to switching from box to box in order to get some random niche c ard to make meme decks

Currently going back to UR for another two copies of excellion

help me

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

should I complete the stage 59 missions? I'm only left with the apophis, blast held by a tribute and summon the moth to complete it

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Sharpcharm
No reason not to do it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Nude_Bikergirl
3SD DM
Why not Destiny Draw-Mausoleum-Dark Magician? Lower LP cost and you could trigger destiny draw by summoning DM.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Nude_Bikergirl
I thought of doing the same deck, but I wasn't able to get the drops from Tea and Yugi.

@Sharpcharm
3SD into Dark Magician. Play Sage whatever to summon Dark Magician. Use the dark Magician magical cards. It would be great.

massdebater
massdebater

@Methnerd
Add in Fragrance Storm. Went up against some fag using this and it combos with Sunflower slut pretty good

girlDog
girlDog

@Evilember
It's gonna be weird if the gate only has 5 duelists

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@PackManBrainlure
3SD into Dark Magician
This was only viable like 3 months ago when 3SD cost is 2000 LP. Now you could do this with Mausoleum of the Emperor. You'll only need 1000 LP to summon DMG and 2000 LP to summon DM. Most people runs Invader of Darkness with Mausoleum though.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@girlDog
@Evilember
I honestly can't imagine Syrus not being available from the start.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sir_Gallonhead
He's not in the datamine or the trailer.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TurtleCat
Then what is even the pont of GX? Gimme cyber dragons

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stupidasole
too OP for this shitty format, forget it

w8t4u
w8t4u

pulled a five headed dragon
this is shit

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Need_TLC
I meant Dark Magician Girl. And then Sage for DM.
It is still a card you don't have to draw or even put in the deck.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@w8t4u
Not liking the BIGGEST DRAGON

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SniperWish
if we had dragon's mirror MAYBE we could use it + magical merchant
currently, there is no way to realistically use it save for a shitty meme deck

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Welp they fixed Kaiba AI. Now he will use twister to destroy dimension gate if he has econ or DD warrior. He also will attack directly if he has 2 DD warrior on the field. RIP farming.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@kizzmybutt
latefags farming Kaiba
you deserve it

Firespawn
Firespawn

Extra Gate
Sorry Ojama Kang

massdebater
massdebater

this game isn't fun for me anymore but I still wanna play because I like the card art
what do

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I want to lewd Alexis, is that normal?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@GoogleCat
Going by what I've seen around the internet, it sure looks like it.

askme
askme

tfw to intelligent too complete the event

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Gigastrength
Or he's a roaming duelist that we can't unlock but his skill is zombie world to make it hard.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@GoogleCat
Yes.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Stupidasole
Fusions you dork. You think they just happened to put out king of the swamp before GX by accident?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@askme
I, to, am to intelligent to clear the event.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@GoogleCat
No, she is a being of nothing but purity

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Supergrass
There's 4 Zombie themed skills in the datamine though

King_Martha
King_Martha

@SomethingNew
But that one particular skill seems way fucking better than the others. Why even add wastelands when zombie world exists?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Man, the ai REALLY doesn't know how to properly use Dragon's Rebirth.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@King_Martha
Wasteland is probably something you can start with while Zombie World has a condition you need to fulfill, I'm guessing

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@DeathDog
It can't use fire island either. It will use island summon the phoenix and the level 4 fire king and then use another island and destroy everything for the phoenix to come back and destroy it again.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Spazyfool
I guess that wouldn't be too bad. Honestly it could also finally force people to run some magic destruction.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Spazyfool
Most likely, especially since Jaden's Skyscraper skill requires him to be under 1000 LP it seems.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
These are lame, cyber dragons or gtfo

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Spazyfool
Cyber dragon has always been boring baby shit. In this game it would be even worse. No reason to run Fiend Megacyber because of him. He is half of someones life points. Auto include in a 20 card deck. I think you just want broken cards because you might be bad. Might as well ask for necrovally if we want broken shit.

w8t4u
w8t4u

So with GX world around the corner, you guys think that we cannot use DM duelist in GX? So, no unhappy, elements unite and labyrinth

likme
likme

@w8t4u
Nah, in the teaser there's a clip of Judai/Jaden dueling Atem at the gate

5mileys
5mileys

@likme
I hope that Jaden and other GX characters have voice clips for certain DM characters.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@likme
I thought the same thing, Atem was using some shitty monsters, but that may be a PVP duel also

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Need_TLC
So, did I just waste lots of gems opening packs trying to make this deck?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Crazy_Nice
Time's not wasted if you had fun!

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Boy_vs_Girl
Fiend megacyber hasn't been a monster you'd justify running since a while back in gold, many decks today can run "half of lp" monsters like you can just have guard counter and magical something with field or special summon red-eyes so that means nothing. But since I don't find them cool, that leaves cyber dragons

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

people actually thought Bonz would be unlockable

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nojokur
Those monsters with the exception of red eyes get normal summoned. With Cyber dragon you can special summon him and then normal summon those 2k beaters. We also already know REBD people would just run him too to just fucking give it to people even harder.

Methnerd
Methnerd

not preparing for the cloudian meta

You guys disgust me.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Will GX world come with a new pack or should I just waste mine on the latest one?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Stark_Naked
Just wait 2 days. The pack will still be there unless you really need something from it today. Im sure they wont release the next mini box that fast but if you are unsure why not. You will also be able to check their level up rewards and legendary drops to see what you want for the future.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Stark_Naked
Small pack maybe
But most GX cards will come from LD/event/Lv up rewards
But dont waste your gems in that useless you really love reptiles

5mileys
5mileys

@5mileys
There wouldn't be that many really
Jaden and Syrus with the Paradox Brothers
Jaden and Yugi
Crowler and Pegasus

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BunnyJinx
implying he won't be
Maybe not this event, but every roamer thus far has or is leaked to become a playable LD

DeathDog
DeathDog

What should i use this SR ticket on? I was thinking either a 3rd Chief, 2nd Priestess, or a 2nd Supremacy Berry since Tea wont drop jack shit for me

Soft_member
Soft_member

@DeathDog
Things you can't farm for like insight or anteatereatingant

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

How the fuck do I farm Kaiba?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@DeathDog
Wait till the end of the season and see if GX increases the card choices. You can spend last months ticket on the next months cards

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Soft_member
Might as well drink a gallon of tritium if you want to exchange for insight.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Need_TLC
You can't get them anymore. Those other cards you listed are easy to get.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Soft_member
Things you can't farm for like insight
Why people always say Insight, when you can't use without fucking Spirit?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

tfw win against Red Eyes Balance deck but lose against 30 card shitter sorcerer structure deck.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

read the new bug report
never even knew you can swap decks like that
FUCK

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Garbage Can Lid
You chop your dick and give it to his Blue-Eyes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BunnyJinx
I'd rather give it to the Maiden tbqh

Flameblow
Flameblow

@GoogleCat
Arkana isn't nor has any files indicating it'll be, though? :^)

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@whereismyname
Because you had 2 chances to get spirit and 1 chance to get insight. If you didn't get either I suggested the Anteatingant. Hes decent with things like big bang shot.

WebTool
WebTool

duelist kingdom again only a month after

WHERE THE FUCK IS PEGASUS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Flameblow
He's been playable at Jump events

askme
askme

@WebTool
Right? What the fuck.
I missed on Bakura too. Joined right on the fucking last day.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@GoogleCat
I want to lewd her cute sweaty pits after a duel.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Season almost over
95 wins
I don't think I'm gonna make it

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spamalot
5 wins is nothing man. Just fucking take them with an all or nothing deck like naturia.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spamalot
Season almost over
295 wins
I really need these 30 gems

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Spamalot
Wait, why? Does it end today? I thought it was at the end of the month?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Is Mill shit in Platinum?
I'm like 10 wins away from my 2nd SR ticket.
PvP is more boring than grinding LDs.
This game lowkey sucks.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Flameblow
Brainlet

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BinaryMan
Cyber Blader seems like it could be pretty good

massdebater
massdebater

@Ignoramus
why are you even playing if you don't enjoy pvp

Techpill
Techpill

@massdebater
I wanna collect cute cards like Amazoness Tiger and later on @w8t4u

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Techpill
then buy (and own) physical copies? why are you collecting virtual cards this is incredibly stupid

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Techpill
Also, I started the game wanting to have fun in PvP with neat cards, but realized it gets boring fast.
I'm in too deep now after spending 32 dollars total since Feb.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Ignoramus
Mill is good. It was one of everyones decks in worlds.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Nojokur
Physical cards are even worse, since I can't play with anybody as easily.
Plus, Toon Kingdom is 30 bucks a pop irl.
I want to PvP a few times a month, but hate it at the same time.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@BunnyJinx
@BunnyJinx

Why do you people never give a straight fucking answer

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Ignoramus
They're 5 bucks in Japanese.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@haveahappyday
Because you need to stop treating this thread as google

girlDog
girlDog

@Stupidasole
Might as well buy the Chinese counterfeit cards if I wanna do that.
Don't patronize me.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@girlDog
still likes Yu-Gi-Oh!
doesn't know Japanese

なに? www

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz
I forgot how to read hiragana and have no regrets.
Japan's population is going down, why bother desu.
I outgrew being a weeb back in high school.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Illusionz
Who gives a shit about Japan's population, I just want to play weeb games and read manga.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Firespawn
implying I didn't google

All I got is some outdated reddit shit

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Illusionz
Why bother? English is the only language that matters

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Poker_Star
you'd probably get actual answers if you ask reddit, or even yahoo answers if they're still around

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Poker_Star
@haveahappyday
You can't farm Kaiba. His most reliable method, Labyrinth Builder, was just "fixed" meaning it's completely useless. If you want his rewards you either have to be one lucky motherfucker or use the coupons you get from ranked on his cards.

WebTool
WebTool

@whereismyname
Wait, are you serious? Kaiba actually attacks your dimension gated labyrinth wall now?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I'm only missing the mission of summoning the Moth, but I don't have a single fucking Cocoon of evolution, what do I do?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@whereismyname
Thanks. I did use my SR tickets to get 3x Econ, but I wanted his other cards too.

His white keys are exclusive to him, at the very least

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Garbage Can Lid
Get one

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Garbage Can Lid
farm or tickets

Methshot
Methshot

@whereismyname
Fuck... Oh, wait already own all of his shit

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Garbage Can Lid
one of the roaming duelists uses a stall insect deck, try to use exchange to get his coocoon in order to summon your own Moth

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@WebTool
He Twister's your Dimension gate now and will summon to DD Warriors to attack your LP.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@whereismyname
Really? At least I can stop feeling like shit for not having a Kaiba-working farm deck any more. I can start feeling shit for being late.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@AwesomeTucker
What if you bait him into using all his twisters on useless cards prior to dimension gate?

TechHater
TechHater

@Snarelure
I think someone mentioned that if he has 2 DD warriors he’ll use them to attack and banish labyrinth gate

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TechHater
And there's no way to neutralize that?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@JunkTop
I'm sure you could use floodgate trap hole ;)

whereismyname
whereismyname

@ZeroReborn
Konami strikes again

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Help a non-card player like me out. I don't seem to GET Ice Barrier or Genex. Could someone lay out those archetypes for me in this game and help me understand what you're supposed to do with them?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Nude_Bikergirl
Genex doesn't know what the fuck it wants to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSVgmOL08I

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nude_Bikergirl
Ice Barrier is a potential OTK, you need the Balance skill and at least 2 Morays of Greed to pull it off
its a high risk deck, if you can't pull off your victory the moment you swarm the field you are fucked, as you have no spells/traps to help you

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Nude_Bikergirl
For Ice barrier you usually just abouse the skill Balance, you started hand will alwais be 3 ice barriers and the spell than let you special summon one while destroying your oponent

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Nude_Bikergirl
Ice Barriers revolve around using Magic Triangle of the Ice Barrier, which lets you destroy a card on the field and then special summon any ice barrier monster. The usual combo is to use triangle, then special summon General Grunard (2800/1000), then use his effect to have a free normal summon for any ice barrier monster. Then you can also use your regular normal summon to get a third monster out. Dance Princess is also very good because she can send their spells/traps back to the hand, meaning you'll often OTK them.

Genex is gutter trash tho lol

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Bidwell
@Fuzzy_Logic
a single sphere kuriboh can fuck you with this deck

Methshot
Methshot

Oh wow didn't even see Triangle. Yeah I guess that's some to build a deck around

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Asking a similar question to the last dude. Perfect Machine King looks rad as hell but I can't figure out a good way to A)get him out quickly or b) use his effect to the fullest. Is he just trash in this format?

5mileys
5mileys

@Sir_Gallonhead
Not only is it trash, but it'll be outclassed by Ancient Gear Golem when we get it.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@5mileys
Whelp. Considering how many Electric packs I just got I guess I'm playing XYZ then. I see VW is in the latest pack but I don't see vwxyz in the catalog. What gives?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@BlogWobbles
VWXYZ will probably be a level up reward for Chazz.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fuzzy_Logic
@Illusionz
Is Genex good in the full game? Or at minimum coherent?

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
You can summon him from the deck with BOXer but that's pointless since you're better off summoning buster blader destruction swordmaster for warrior memetheme cred. So its basically a piece of poo since pic related and this @5mileys
are right around the corner

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
Literally can't wait. Guess I'll grind out more packs for Machina Peacekeeper

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Harmless_Venom
No, it's even shittier there.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Harmless_Venom
Is Genex good in the full game?
Kek

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Raving_Cute
I didn't say Ice Barriers was good

@Harmless_Venom
It's a youtube deck at best. Stay far away

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Snarelure
trash
as expected

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Can you use multiple Double Summons a turn?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Stark_Naked
Nah, doesn't work like that

takes2long
takes2long

@Stark_Naked
Yes

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Stark_Naked
You can conduct 2 Normal Summons/Sets this turn, not just 1.
no matter how many you activate you can still only perform 2 summons

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stark_Naked
Maybe.

likme
likme

Are you anons ready for HIM?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@GoogleCat
Guess I ain't running 3 then

viagrandad
viagrandad

So.... after all these days, can we all agree that the new box is the must buy one?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
Why? I'm new as of today. I used my gems on the wizard deck

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@viagrandad
Only if you're playing Elemental HEROes.

takes2long
takes2long

@viagrandad
Nope. DoD is still the go to box for new players. Phoenix is falling off but it's still very competent.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Emberburn
Silent magician is literally worse horus senpai
@ZeroReborn
Yeah, seems like we will only see that box full potential when GX comes

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Skullbone
He meant the Spellcaster structure deck, which isn't any better, but still.

girlDog
girlDog

CHILLIN OUT WITH THE _________ IN THE ________

Bidwell
Bidwell

@girlDog
FAGGOTS
YARD

likme
likme

@Nude_Bikergirl
Just use the 1800s and tribute them into Army.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@takes2long
Phoenix is pretty much dead user, no one runs it in legend anymore and it can't compete with higher tier decks. newer players should chill until the meta shakes up again

JunkTop
JunkTop

tfw you beat a phoenixfag with your shitty, incomplete fish deck

Emberburn
Emberburn

@girlDog
It was the TOUGHEST of TIMES

It was the HARDEST of CLIMBS

askme
askme

@JunkTop
two exmeta decks of old seasons battling
cute
@Emberfire
Is there anything other than Red-eyes and Toon barrel dragon in the meta anyway?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@askme
3SD Ninjas and Psychics are also top tier right now

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

How did you guys do the tower missions were you are up against Ninjas? These Windstorms and SKs wreck my shit so hard.

WebTool
WebTool

@BinaryMan
des counterblow deck made to farm Kaiba could actually pull off the victories

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@BinaryMan
Naturia

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BinaryMan
labyrinth builder + Dimension gate

massdebater
massdebater

@BinaryMan
https://www.reddit.com/r/DuelLinks/comments/71kt99/psa_dd_tower_tipstricks_heads_up_and_other_things/
use the leddit guide at this point, you've only got a day left to do everything

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BinaryMan
crashed my auto duel ice barrier deck straight into it until i got lucky enough to not lose

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BinaryMan
playing this shit event with shit rewards against top tier 1 ninja deck

Not worth it senpai

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BinaryMan
Easy. I didn't do the missions

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
Wildheart beatdown with skyscraper

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

What's objectively the best shekelstein deck? I wanna use Arcana Knight Joker

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Nude_Bikergirl
naturia

MPmaster
MPmaster

watching GX anime again
ONE (1) briefcase of rare cards requires a full naval escort + about 10 helicopters of air support

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@MPmaster
I'm about to rewatch too user, do I watch the dub and relive nostalgia or the sub?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@MPmaster
Crowler keeps all the cards
Gives the strongest ones to Chazz with the sole purpose of defeating Jaden.
Still Loses
Poor Manjoume

SniperWish
SniperWish

@MPmaster
Hey, most cards in the GX anime have soul and could destroy the world

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Stark_Naked
Dub. This is too silly to take seriously

@SniperWish
These ones didn't

StonedTime
StonedTime

@RumChicken
Fuck the first 3 minutes make me realize I was born in the wrong universe

ywn go to school to learn how to play Duel Monsters
ywn get laid for your skills in a card game

I want off this ride bros

TechHater
TechHater

@StonedTime
ywn be able to see duel spirits and ruthlessly fuck the cute girl ones

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TechHater
ITS NOT FAIR

Booteefool
Booteefool

@LuckyDusty
Least intelligent post I have ever read. Congratulations

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Booteefool
I assumed you wanted the cheapest deck so you could save up for Arcana, sorry for trying to help :(

likme
likme

I just learned I missed Archfiend Queen and a second Palabrynth from an event. Is MAXIMUM OVERSKULL still viable without?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Who is ready for Venus interaction with this card?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@likme
It's not viable at all so

massdebater
massdebater

@Booteefool
coming from someone that doesn't know stein can't be used with Arcana

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PackManBrainlure
Just use Cosmic Compass. Venus is for Normal Monster exploitation, LP maneuvering, and putting Light/Fairy in the grave.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@massdebater
No shit, we can even play as Arcana yet

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@PackManBrainlure
Do you think they will put in Dogma? He seems like he would be either 2op or underpowered to all shit because he requires 3 monsters.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@w8t4u
My KC Cup finals rank says differently. You might say you'd be LIGHTNING STRUCK by my results

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

AI still puts cards into defense if it thinks it has lethal
still skips summon if it thinks it has lethal
still refuses to set SRH if opponent has a face up card
oh come on, there's no excuse for the first two

idontknow
idontknow

A reminder that pic related will forever be known as the LAST proper Yugioh game ever. Announced on Jump Festa 2015 for July 2016 and said to be released worldwide due to it being an anniversary game celebrating the 20 years of Yugioh. Fast forward to mid-2017 and the game STILL isn't out of Japan. Not only it has the same assets as Duel Links but also the same fucking SD. Because od Duel Links being such a hit, Konami decided to not release this. FUCK MY LIFE

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methnerd
KC cup
That was like in March my guy

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Lunatick
Psychic
I'll believe it when they beat me

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@idontknow
Nobody cares. Handheld game development is a waste of resources when mobile gaming is completely overtaking that market

Emberfire
Emberfire

@GoogleCat
Maybe, but compass sometimes fail in giving you the 3th monster
@CouchChiller
Is harder to summon than Plasma and his effect dont seems that broken, specially without selfprotection

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@massdebater
Except it can you cock gobbling retard

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Need_TLC
Amen

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Lost twice to Ninja spheres... Yeah, I'm done with this shitty event.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Spazyfool
The FIRE cards from the new box are way better than the ones from the event anyway

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nude_Bikergirl
If you really want some fire just put in my mixtape

Inmate
Inmate

What were they thinking when they handed Alexis her outfit? She has the shortest skirt of all the girls and her shirt is like 3 sizes too small. Its like the Duel Academy heads wanted her to be the cocklust of all the male duelists of the island.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TreeEater
I've been away for a while....

Evilember
Evilember

@whereismyname
Who else got fixed? I haven't tried my Joey D Gate deck on him in a while

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TechHater
Give me one good reason why I can't cum in the dark magician girl, ONE

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Gigastrength
honestly, they aren't THAT good on their own. What makes psychics good it combos really well with NMCR, and they completely cuck phoenix and red eyes, + any other deck that relies on the GY. They kinda struggle against other decks that don't need the GY (Ninjas, TBD, etc)

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

FINDING ________ NEVER _________
TOO HARD

Nojokur
Nojokur

Literally one day until GX
Who you fuckers leveling first and why isn't it THUNDER?

girlDog
girlDog

@Inmate
handed
She is the one who chose that uniform

@Harmless_Venom
You wouldn't want any wizardlets running around. After all, if you want to see a wizard you can look in the mirror

WebTool
WebTool

What Roamer/Duel-A-Thon is up next?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@WebTool
Set Sail is coming back soon, and Bonz will be the roaming duelist. Velen is the next unlockable LD at the end of October.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nojokur
one day
It's two

@WebTool
Newspost said duel a thon next week. Probably no roamer since GX would take the spotlight away from them

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@girlDog
After all, if you want to see a wizard you can look in the mirror

eGremlin
eGremlin

Post your brick of the day

FastChef
FastChef

Is there a game that will fully immerse me in the world of yu-gi-oh so I can pretend I live there? Reshef of Destruction did it for me, but I beat it. Is there any others with that much depth?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Crazy_Nice
It's two
I mean, technically, it's 1 day and like 5 hours from right now

Lunatick
Lunatick

@JunkTop
It really isn't though, all of tomorrow, all of the next day, then maintainence

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

mfw sartorius gets released with arcana force cards & a skill that lets you choose your coin flips

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Harmless_Venom
She is a pure girl! She has NO time for lewd things!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Lunatick
It's coming on the 27th though, as in tomorrow nights midnight maintainance

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Lunatick
GX comes the 27th so it's most likely after the maintenance of the shitty tower.

Read the notifications and learn to use the clock

Spamalot
Spamalot

Just give me GX, Konami

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Starter Deck/lvlup rewards/Drops:

Jaden
--Starter Deck--
WINGED KURIBOH
ELEMENTAL HERO BURSTINATRIX
ELEMENTAL HERO AVIAN
ELEMENTAL HERO NEOS
--DROPS--
ELEMENTAL HERO THUNDER GIANT
THE FLUTE OF SUMMONING KURIBOH
ELEMENTAL HERO SPARKMAN
ELEMENTAL HERO TEMPEST
CARD EJECTOR
SPARK BLASTER
--Level UP Reward--
ELEMENTAL HERO NECROSHADE
ELEMENTAL HERO FLAME WINGMAN
ELEMENTAL HERO BUBBLEMAN
ELEMENTAL HERO WILDHEART
------------------------------------
Aster
--Starter Deck--
Krokodilus
DESTINY HERO - PLASMA
--DROPS--
DESTINY HERO - DIAMOND DUDE
DESTINY HERO - DASHER
DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS
DESTINY HERO - DOOM LORD
DESTINY HERO - DEPARTED
DESTINY HERO - FEAR MONGER
DESTINY HERO - DOUBLE DUDE
GUARD PENALTY
DESTINY SIGNAL
D - SPIRIT
DESTRUCTION OF DESTINY
--Level up Reward--
DESTINY HERO - DASHER
DESTINY HERO - BLADER MASTER
DESTINY HERO - CAPTAIN TENACIOUS
------------------------------------
CHAZZ
--Level up Reward--
ARMED DRAGON LV7
ARMED DRAGON LV5
ARMED DRAGON LV3
--Starter Deck/Drops--
OJAMA KING
DESPAIR FROM THE DARK
OJAMA BLUE
OJAMA DELTA HURRICANE!!
OJAMA KNIGHT
GEMINI IMPS
REBORN ZOMBIE
CHTHONIAN POLYMER
OVER CAPACITY
------------------------------------
Alexis
--Starter Deck--
CYBER TUTU
CYBER BLADER
ETOILE CYBER
BLADE SKATER
--Level up Reward--
CYBER ANGEL BENTEN
CYBER ANGEL IDATEN
CYBER ANGEL DAKINI
CYBER PRIMA
CYBER GYMNAST
ETOILE CYBER
--DROPS--
WHITE KNIGHT QUEEN
MACHINE ANGEL ABSOLUTE RITUAL
CYBER PRIMA
PERFORMANCE OF SWORD
MACHINE ANGEL RITUAL
COMMENCEMENT DANCE
A RIVAL APPEARS!
------------------------------------
Bastion
--Starter Deck--
WATER DRAGON
HYDROGEDDON
OXYGEDDON
--Level up Reward--
HYDROGEDDON
OXYGEDDON
HYOZANRYU
DNA TRANSPLANT
--DROPS--
HOMUNCULUS THE ALCHEMIC BEING
D.D. SURVIVOR
CURSED SEAL OF THE FORBIDDEN SPELL
HYOZANRYU
D.D. SCOUT PLANE
BONDING - H2O
SPIRIT BARRIER
CREVICE INTO THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

girlDog
girlDog

Why did the decide to not use Bastion, he was set up to be the rival to Jaden early on, seems like wasted potential, and rewatching this makes him seem like an actual cool character.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@girlDog
He became a furry

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Dreamworx
MODS

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
Sauce?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Dreamworx
Fake. I don't see VWXYZ on that table

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Dreamworx
Jaden
Aster
CHAZZ
Tits
???
You forgot somebody's name

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@cum2soon
something something discord something

Methshot
Methshot

@Dreamworx
No Pikeru in Bastions deck

Disgusting.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@cum2soon
@Lord_Tryzalot
Copy pasta from Dkayed Discord

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Supergrass
Fake. I don't see VWXYZ on that table

Do you know why? Because its Black jacket Chazz and not academy chazz. Chazz used VWXYZ initially when he was going to be demoted.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sharpcharm
I too enjoy the may mays

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@w8t4u
It could always be worse

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Dreamworx
NEOS and no neo-spacians.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Dreamworx
No SST-8 on Alexis level up
At least make your fake news not so easy to disprove

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@haveahappyday
Until I corrupt her with evil magic

eGremlin
eGremlin

@SomethingNew
@Methnerd
There isn't a maintenance notice though, nice try

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@eGremlin
The event is expiring tomorrow, it's a given that there will be maintenance

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@SomethingNew
GX comes the 27th
I thought it was on thursday?

Bidwell
Bidwell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjoFTonQ6w

this game is nothing but a cruel joke

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Carnalpleasure
No it expires on the 27

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I want to fuck Alexis' two friends while she watches. I'll be sure to remind her she isn't allow to join because she isn't pretty enough

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Dreamworx
no destiny hero defender
but the rest of the team, d signal and d spirit
ojama delta hurricane
ojama king/knight
chthonian polymer
hydro and oxygeddon
armed dragons
the patch is gonna be some weird shit

askme
askme

@eGremlin
all 3 different DMs
muh autism

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@eGremlin
You can't be this retarded, pretty sure in about 2 hours there will be a notification about the maintenance, you'll see

Lunatick
Lunatick

@iluvmen
Sep 26 22:00

really makes you think

Firespawn
Firespawn

Now that everyone has 3 econs, would be the perfect time to limit to 1 per deck.

The card is really broken in th

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Ignoramus
It's partially fake news

likme
likme

@Dreamworx
hydrogeddon has 1900 attack and oxygeddon has 2000 attack in dinosaur kingdom
rex raptor will now have access to a big fuckoff monster in the form of water dragon
i thought i was done seeing that faggot

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Lunatick
That depends on the timezone you're in, mine is 27 00:00

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
September 27, 14:00 JST

Methnerd
Methnerd

I am convinced Jadens starter deck will be filled with either neo-spacians or the first wave of e-heroes with the fusions as level ups. It would be a good way for new players to have a somewhat good deck starting out since its harder to catch up.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@eGremlin
latefags will never know this feel

askme
askme

@hairygrape
@BinaryMan
You're missing the point. The point is that GX is coming in tomorrow's maintenance, not the day after tomorrow like that retarded user was saying

girlDog
girlDog

@likme
Wouldn't oxygeddon be 2100 since he is 1800?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@askme
Yep, that

StonedTime
StonedTime

@askme
Id rather 3 different arts over 2 same and 1 different

King_Martha
King_Martha

@girlDog
user, be more confident in urself

TechHater
TechHater

Opponent starts with Paracite on top of their deck
Insta-surrenders
Some next level pathos right there

massdebater
massdebater

@TechHater
weevilfag uses whistle to put parasite on top of my deck
Attacks my Crystal Seer
send Parasite to bottom
he surrenders

massdebater
massdebater

@massdebater
Use seer effect
afterwards, the next card on my deck is parasite

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

brainlets who don't know how calendars work think GX is tomorrow night
lmao

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BinaryMan
It's tomorrow night you absolute nugget

Booteefool
Booteefool

Ok guys enough
which day is today?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Booteefool
It's the 25th right now. About to be the 26th in a little under an hour.

idontknow
idontknow

@Booteefool
Y-yes

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Booteefool
knowing what day it is
fucking faggots

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Booteefool
Today is September 25th, 2017. It is 9:23 PM PST. The Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links expansion "GX" will be released in approximately 27 hours and 7 minutes.

Do not argue with this post or I will be forced to call the Cyber Police. Thanks in advance for understanding.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Are we sure that it's not just a typo? I mean, the actual event, video and all say the 28th.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@SomethingNew
Because it's launching on the 28th in Japan. They're ahead of us, so it'll be the 27th for us

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

But the Earth is Flat

TechHater
TechHater

@Crazy_Nice
Just like Dark Magician Girl

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

It is currently 2:40pm on Tuesday the 26 of September 2017 and you're a fucking faggot if you think otherwise

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@TechHater
In America

massdebater
massdebater

@Poker_Star
2017
Oh my god
I just myself

MPmaster
MPmaster

Any ideas on how to make great dezard/Richie viable? Its almost impossible to keep him alive and destroy 2 monsters to activate his stupid effect, your opponent has to be literally retarded to give you the chance to make this work.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@MPmaster
Convert

RumChicken
RumChicken

Any decent f2p Fairy decks?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Honest soon!

MPmaster
MPmaster

@MPmaster
ANOTHER card that gets cucked by a lack of main phase 2
fukken lmao

likme
likme

@RumChicken
f2p
Thats a funny way of calling yourself a latefag

MPmaster
MPmaster

@MPmaster
Having no Main Phase 2 hurt quick-spells a tiny bit desu

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@RumChicken
Replace dunames with hysteric fairy. There you go

JunkTop
JunkTop

2017 september 26
oh shit

SniperGod
SniperGod

@JunkTop
Only 2 more days until GX world

Flameblow
Flameblow

tower extended a day
How do all you retards feel being wrong? Two days till GX just like I said

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Flameblow
laughing real hard at this
it's like they knew

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@MPmaster
If the meta was much slower, I can see this getting "SOME" play

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Flameblow
Fuck. Konami delaying GX

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Lunatick
no it's not, it's still the same time

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Hello I come from the future just after Zexal world was released and I came to tell you all that GX world gets delayed by 3 days due to server complications. However they do give out 1000 apologems and a free prismatic Neos, which I spent on Gen Next and got 2 nobleman eater bugs iirc which becomes meta for a few months after mokuba is released with a skill which lets you set 5 star monsters without tributing. Also the Halloween event is nightshroud who brings infernal fire blast, red eyes retro dragon and keeper of the shrine to the game as well as original art red eyes

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

all those posts arguing about time
the alleged retards were the ones who were right
Max jej

idontknow
idontknow

What the fuck? This makes no sense. It literally says "The World and Characters from Yugioh GX will be released on Sep 27". Guess what? If you add them during the Sep 27 maintenance, then the actual release date is Sep 28 because it doesn't end until 12:30 AM of the next day.

If it was actually being released on the 27th, it needs to be added with tomorrow's maintenance. What the fuck is this konami

Techpill
Techpill

@Fried_Sushi
You were doing so good till the end. It's so obvious the October duelist is Bonz, further supported by file cards and the leaked skills

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fried_Sushi
Also the Halloween event is nightshroud who brings infernal fire blast, red eyes retro dragon and keeper of the shrine to the game as well as original art red eyes

I guess its a shame the card is called Inferno Fire Blast then huh?

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow
The trailer said the 28th

FastChef
FastChef

@FastChef
Because Japan is ahead of the US, dingus. It's the 28th for them, it would be 27th for us, just like it says in the news

Spamalot
Spamalot

wlil this pop up someday

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperWish
Whatever it's called then. Sorry nobody really used it after they limited red eyes insight to 1. Although they just made it unlimited again and they're releasing pic related and Archfiend Black Skull Dragon in the next set so we'll see if red eyes becomes relevant again

takes2long
takes2long

@BinaryMan
nigger card

God Xyz'zz'z'zz'z is cancer.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@PackManBrainlure
you better run a cyberstein deck to meme with it

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BinaryMan
God I used to troll my opponents with this little shit so much. Some tried to chain many effects thinking it would only burn once. Those poor souls...

girlDog
girlDog

@DeathDog
Cyberstein doesn't work with it unfortunately. It does for Arcana Knight though

Nojokur
Nojokur

@girlDog
forgot cyberstein's summon doesn't count as fusion, my b

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Bidwell
W H E N

askme
askme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOsSI8OhNo

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@askme
Jojo references
Did you get lost on your way to Reddit?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Dreamworx
Gonna need a sauce on that. Why would Bonding H2O not be in the Starter Deck if you can't summon Water Dragon without it?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TalkBomber
It's not real. The data mine showed cards that were level up rewards that aren't on that list.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

LMAO FAMM

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@ZeroReborn
dammit konami gibe gx already

cum2soon
cum2soon

decide to play ranked for a few of the LP potions
proceed to lose to fucking 30deck kaibas and yugis left and right
even get bopped by fucking radiant mirror force once
i don't know why i even fucking bother, the same shit always happens
i'll probably just crack and curbstomp my way to the top with naturia or red eyes eventually but what's the fun in that? then again i'll lose to the same 30card shitskins because HURR FUCKING DURR HEART OF THE FUCKING CARDS GGEZ goddamnit
why can't dinos be good?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@cum2soon
You sound like a shitter m8

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@PackManBrainlure
considering i started about a month ago and the closest thing to staples i have is metalmorph, a SRH and riryoku field, yeah probably
i'm mainly mad about 30card players getting the perfect topdecks without fail.
my deck is weak yes, it loses to things like mako fishspam and naturia quite easily, but i'd think it'd be enough to slap the shit of anyone who doesn't even read cards and slaps whatever they find in their deck
fucking lost to one just now that topdecked a vanguard, blue eyes and stamping destruction to slap away my dino field. even if i SRH'd him i lost anyway unless i topdecked my metalmorph which, surprise, didn't happen

maybe i should wait another month before trying to climb through gold, should have better cards by then

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Lord_Tryzalot
You don't even have the cards needed to make a half-way decent meme deck, you need to stay in Silver. Gold is full of shitters, yes, but usually shitters that have gotten decent cards, copied meta decks without knowing how to use and without having all the needed pieces, and absolute memers who just want to have fun.

Also, level up my Mai.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TalkBomber
i figured as much, but i don't feel confident going for cards like mirror wall if they're one of maybe 3 cards total in the pack worth getting. should i just go for triple SRH or that half-counter trap instead?
how are dinos and mako fishspam anyway? are they able to compete well higher up in the ranks? i wasn't able to get anything from roaming rex unfortunately.

been levelling mai for etaqua, currently 23. wanted to get underdog from joey first for them draws since i've got mostly normals to work with

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Lord_Tryzalot
Go for three SRH if you really need a meta Glue card to defend yourself with. It's in a small box that's cheap to go through.
Dino's haven't been KoG worthy for a long time. Fishdecks, however, have been as like the motions of the oceans. Early on they were pretty good, KoG worthy, then time took it's tool and they were Tier 2. Then tons of support cards came in like Hammer Shark, Tuna Princess, Umitaruos, etc, and it's back to being KoG again. Not the best deck by any means, but it's decent.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Boy_vs_Girl
well i've wasted my time with rex then, at least i can use him to get extra gems at this point
i already have a hammer shark and uminotaurus so there's a start, would you recommend ALO? cant help but notice that i could easily get that new gagagigo tribute monster to go with it, and even without ALO it'd still be a single tribute massive monster

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spamalot
LO is decent. I use it for my BIG Fish deck, it's fun. Can also let you special summon stuff like Uminotaurus and other Hammer Sharks too if you have them. If you're gonna run it, run only 1 unless you plan to make the deck entire centered around BIG Water monsters.

girlDog
girlDog

GX Delayed
No Apologems
Thanks jewnami

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@girlDog
tfw you were retroactively made correct
Feels good

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What the fuck is this? Pretty sure he doesn't activate any effect this turn. Is this a bug?

SniperWish
SniperWish

is it normal that playing duel links too much on my phone burns a faint image of the life points counter on my phone screen? Must be my shitty LG phone right?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Carnalpleasure
record a replay

King_Martha
King_Martha

Is there some secret tech I'm not seeing with XyZ? It's been mentioned alot but it just seems like subpar slow shit

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SniperWish
Oh shit senpai,it happened to my phone also.
Not just duel linkes but if I keep an app open a faint image will be printed on the phone (however the image disappear after one hour of inactivity)
Maybe both our phones are shit (my phone is Xiaomi Redmi note 4)
Can anybody with a good phone confirm or deny this?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Illusionz
RN3P here, never noticed any burn in even after hours if the same screen on display.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@King_Martha
That's because it is subpar slow shit.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@King_Martha
It is subpar slow shit
Is almost imposible to get the boss monster in most of the time and beaters arent that strong
And you autolose to anyone with good backrow removal
But people here like to use meme decks and shit on meta decks

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@SniperGod
You mean having FUN?

Inmate
Inmate

Is Marik's skill Shadow Game damage considered damage effect?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@girlDog
delayed
when they clearly stated that it would be released on the 28th
lol

JunkTop
JunkTop

SECRET POTION PHOENIX SPAM
FUCK THIS SHIT

Snarelure
Snarelure

Is Cestus of Dagla still at the card trader or was it removed?

idontknow
idontknow

It's time to get your LAME on!

whereismyname
whereismyname

Grinding through Gold with a gimmick deck, deadset on making it Play
Gold5 promotion match
Seeing PairofSocks. Expect 3DS
He draws from his 30! Card deck and plays two Banners of Courage followed by Neo
I'm being Punk'd, right?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
Nah, gold is filled with shitters, so is legend now.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Which red-eyes card is harder to get, the insight or the trap?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Tfw you have to wait until the last week of every season to play your favorite deck
Gravekeepers meta when?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Looks like we're getting a HERO Structure Deck with the GX update
https://ygorganization.com/duel-links-additional-update-gx-world/

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StonedTime
with GOOD heros or subpar shit?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@CodeBuns
I think we are getting the OG heroes + neos

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@CodeBuns
We'll probably get Blazeman, but I highly doubt we'll get the Omni-Heroes or Shadow Mist.

massdebater
massdebater

@BlogWobbles
This deck looks like it bricks a lot

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BlogWobbles
why would you do this to gk
just run treeborn

likme
likme

Hey, heroes were one of my favorite decks growing up so I want to get into duel links. Do we know how to get Jaden? If I start now will it be possible to even get him?

FastChef
FastChef

I'm new, what deck should I focus on building if I'm just starting out?

askme
askme

@FastChef
Pick Kaiba and buy the Dragon structure deck at the start.

idontknow
idontknow

@FastChef
Buy Dawn of Destiniy and go for a Naturia or Phoenix deck. Naturia especially is cheap as fuck to build and should at least get you to Platinum.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@FastChef

Take the Dragon Structure deck and try to get econ and srh since they are both literally in every single relevant deck and probably not going away any time soon.

viagrandad
viagrandad

4000 gems
should I wait for gx world?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

How did this man get to Plat?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@viagrandad
Yes

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Carnalpleasure
Because plat isn't an achievement

Methshot
Methshot

GX delayed
No apologems

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Carnalpleasure
t. XYZ player

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

So how broken do you think red-eyes will be when they add in Atticus?

Techpill
Techpill

@likme
I hate you and him

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@kizzmybutt
I XY'd his banner and he quit. Guess he knew the secret prostrat

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@massdebater
Not really. At least, no more bricky than your standard GK deck. If anything it's less bricky due to Angmarl + SE also being a viable hand.

Priestess is shit btw.

@Fuzzy_Logic
Because GK's are fun. Also recruiter helps thin the deck and Oracle is obviously helpful.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

loaner deck reward is gems
it is complete garbage

farquit
farquit

can someone please tell me how to complete this shit.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

just went up against an Odion using an all trap deck
Props for trying

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
I think you need to inflict 2000 damage with a single effect activation against Level 40 Seto Kaiba as Yami

Snarelure
Snarelure

@farquit
Activate 4 copies of Hinotama at the same time

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@farquit
Kickfire you shit

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@farquit
gravekeepers vasal

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@New_Cliche
i think i tried with kickfire a month back and i didnt count

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@farquit
I dgated bewd until I could vassal combo, but I guess that's not possible anymore LMAO

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Crazy_Nice
Inferno Fire Blast

Soft_member
Soft_member

@farquit
Use a banish deck with Graverobber's Retribution, he give you 200 for free when using D.D.

Techpill
Techpill

@Soft_member
he will just twister it before it add up to 2000

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Techpill
Your supposed to not use it until the last turn

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Guess which UR i wanted out of this Box.

DeathDog
DeathDog

No icon for playing three 7s

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evil_kitten
Kill yourself.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Evil_kitten
3 packs left
only enough gems for two
This can only go in one way

TechHater
TechHater

@Evil_kitten
They're rubles, aren't they user?

massdebater
massdebater

@Nojokur
Thanks, I was going to anyways.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I need a brainstorm. With VW in the newest pack, VWXYZ will probably be a Chazz reward tomorrow. Is there a way to make a full VWXYZ deck work in this format? Even 1/4 of the time? I want it bad bros.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@New_Cliche
fucking finally

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Fuzzy_Logic
tomorrow

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Done with every event mission
What do I even do with these fire cards familia

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Sharpcharm
Wonder why you lost so much time getting cards that are completely shit. Then go in ranked and start spamming econ and srh.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Sharpcharm
Play Silver matches

Illusionz
Illusionz

i hove GX has the same VA's for the english ver.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@happy_sad
shitposting aside. I had some of my best duels in silver like my plant meme dick against some extra extra meme dick

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Illusionz
*hope. I miss Matthew Charles.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime
HERO structure deck at fucking launch
They're already jewing us with HEROs and they're not even released yet

Techpill
Techpill

@AwesomeTucker
Implying I care about how bad they are
Gotta catch 'em all, user

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

never click props anymore because of the nerf
never do loaner decks anymore because 30 card abominations are impossible to win with
you win, konami

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Illusionz
I'm worried about The Chazz. His first voice was just so much better.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@GoogleCat
Whenever. I get double summon and frontier base for quickplays but how do I fit a draw engine in there?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Playboyize
Honestly, I am rewatching the dub, and I can barely tell the difference, so it really doesn't matter.

TreeEater
TreeEater

latefag as fuck here.. so do the ranked rewards reset every season as in, can i get 3 sr tickets every time?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TreeEater
Yes

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Playboyize
i think the VAs that are confirmed coming back is Alexis', Syrus', Chazz, and Jaden

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I want Shadyvox Jaden

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CouchChiller

not believing in the heart of the cards

The owners of tose loaner decks put their heart and soul into their cards, user

Nojokur
Nojokur

@SomethingNew
Neck yourself

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Reminder that Seto Kaiba beat Trueman before Jaden did. GX a shit

Skullbone
Skullbone

@CodeBuns
I LIKE THING

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Crazy_Nice
Alexis
Bruh

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@ZeroReborn
used to the dub names, even though I watched the sub twice

Nojokur
Nojokur

I forget how lighthearted the first season of GX is, its pretty refreshing when everything nowadays has to be fucking grim and depressing

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Poker_Star
That wasn't my point, there is a zero percent chance her literally who VA is going to return

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TreeEater
her (2nd) VA from GX is doing the arc V dub right now though
https://youtu.be/0Cd86Hy8iuI

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Flameblow
2nd
Thus not original

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Firespawn
well ok then

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Flameblow
She sounds almost exactly the same tbqh

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spamalot
3 hammer sharks
3 starboys
2 blue breakers
2 Umitaurus
1 Beautunaful princess
all f2p used under Mythic Depths and then the magic and traps should be your best shit. E-cons, SRH, Half counter, metal morph, Turnabout. That should get you to legends with good draws and play. All f2p shit. SRH is the rarest card I listed.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I can't fuckin wait for GX tonight, I even took off a day of work so I can boost early.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Emberfire
They are both equally hard because they are both SR drops from the same roaming duelist.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Stupidasole
tonight

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@CodeBuns
That hero is too good to exist. Wtf is wrong with you people.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Evil_kitten
Tbqh 2 Star Boy and 3 LBB. LBB is your spell removal

Methshot
Methshot

came to event super late i.e. yesterday
Throw my first 5 points in the D.D box.
Neato

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Emberfire
They're both rewards for SR tickets, easy as fuck

RavySnake
RavySnake

@likme
Everyone gets him on the 28 you should start now to collect gems. Don't spend them on anything, collect gems. Unlock Jaden on the 28 and then spend gems looking for the E-hero or support cards you want after looking at his level up rewards and legendary duelist drops.

likme
likme

Marc Thompson is Chazz's 2nd VA in GX. He voices a few characters in Arc V so...
https://youtu.be/E43zpORLi5w

FastChef
FastChef

@Methshot
Forgot pic. I'm bad at making salt

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stark_Naked
Honestly you can't go wrong. I just preferred starboys so I can kamikaze Redeyes more often if I need to.

FastChef
FastChef

@Stupidasole
tonight
They delayed it for "tomorrow"

JunkTop
JunkTop

Tell me about the Dark Blade. Why does he ride the dragons? He shows up in a bunch of card art and has a more support than most 4 star beaters. What's his gimmick? Can a 20 card be made around him and succeed?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@FastChef
I should be angry but now I just feel empty

Emberfire
Emberfire

@SomethingNew
kys furfag

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@JunkTop
what do you mean by succeed?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@ZeroReborn
He's even better if you have this guy.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Methnerd
Yeah I ran the deck. He is too good. You can just fucking fuse AZ into another AZ to fucking raigeki them. He shouldn't exist.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Evil_kitten
which one Pajeet?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

And the Japanese version of this event’s announcement makes it extremely clear who the first Event Legend Duelist of GX will be: Professor Vellian Crowler of Obelisk Blue.

It's funny how the English version tries to keep the new character a mystery while the Japanese one just straight up says its Crowler

Illusionz
Illusionz

It just occurred to me. Do you guys think Crystal Abundance will be a Skill for Jesse since we only have 3 zones?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Harmless_Venom
It "makes it clear" by ending the sentence with Crowler's verbal tic. In the English dub he doesn't have a verbal tic, so it can't really be replicated.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Illusionz
Who knows. Either way, Jesse is kind of screwed because Crystal Beats are virtually unplayable in the DL format. 2/5 of the effects of Ancient City - Rainbow Ruins are unusable so it wouldn't surprise me if we don't even get it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Methnerd
@GoogleCat
@GoogleCat
Explain the existence of Ojama King to me then

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Soft_member
It makes us play Tttd

Emberburn
Emberburn

@GoogleCat
What if we get Advanced Dark instead of Ancient City? It would also make summoning Rainbow Dragon easier.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TurtleCat
Great. More meta centralization

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Soft_member
Ojama King is literally going to bend the meta around it. There will be more removal S/T rather than position changing or monster buffing as we have now (i.e. more Tribute to the Doomed, Eliminating the League, etc). Ojama King says "up to" as the icing on the cake, so Floodgate and Mask of Accursed can cover anything trying to squeeze through.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CodeBuns
Isn't that fucking terrible though? From a balancing perspective?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BinaryMan
You can also use eliminating the league but both are 2 for 1 but they wasted like 4 cards for that king so its fair.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Emberfire
The balance is that the Ojama player has to run a bunch of shitty normal monsters and deplete all of his resources to summon King assuming he even draws them all.
Unless we get Ojamagic, then it might become a problem.

askme
askme

@Emberfire
On the one hand, it makes Chazz's cards a legitimate threat since they can shine on Duel Links. On the other, you need to throw in your 3 Ojamas and a fusion spell to get it out, at which point you have to rely on the stall game to draw your monsters that bite. It becomes a race of drawing the S/T Ojama King killer vs. drawing the monsters that can attack or Ojama Country.

It's bad for balance in the sense that anyone who doesn't adapt to the meta that comes with GX will be left dead in the water. But it's not unhealthy yet I'd say, at least until we get shit that can turbo it like Ojamagic.

massdebater
massdebater

@Evil_kitten
Ojamagic
It was in the leaks

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Evil_kitten
Unless we get Ojamagic
Nigga do you think we're getting Manjoume/Chazz and the Ojamas and not Ojamagic

askme
askme

@CodeBuns
lmao no. you need to run 3 shitty monsters, then hope you can poly them before you get destroyed. tier 1 decks can fuck you within 2-3 turns if you're playing ojama, and even then, how often does your opponent ever not have ANY monster on the field? tier 1 decks can easily get at least 1 monster out at almost anytime

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@TurtleCat
no one will seriously use ojamas so no
and it'd be eliminating the league because spells are too easy to counter

Booteefool
Booteefool

@askme
Tell me, do you consider Toon, Mill, and Burn to be Tier 1 decks?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@massdebater
It was in the leaks
What leaks?

TechHater
TechHater

@TurtleCat
no one will seriously use ojamas
You have no idea how many people are going to try.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Booteefool
Nope, tier 2-3 at best

massdebater
massdebater

Someone please tell me why the final Tower Boss can just throw his Flame Tiger in the graveyard for no reason. I read all the card effects used on that turn, and there was no reason why he should be able to just instantly send it from his deck to the graveyard on his second turn.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@New_Cliche
Then it doesn't matter if Tier 1 decks can still beat Ojama, because those 3 decks do shape the meta and according to you don't make the cut to be Tier 1. Toon doesn't have to give consistent wins to end up spammed on the ladder, because non-interactive decks are still always valued when their win condition is doable.

Techpill
Techpill

Chicken is falling from the meta, we need the real fire king now than power creep has come

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@GoogleCat
Toons, mill, and burn don't shape the meta though. No one techs in spell removal for TK, no one techs in supremacy berry for burn, and no one plays more than 20 cards to counter mill. They're irrelevant, just like ojama will be

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Techpill
It'll never see duel links, way too OP with current phoenix decks

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Burnblaze
That's a really out of touch statement. Why do you think Phoenix is one of the most dominant decks at the moment? De-Spell and Burning Land and Magic Deflector are teched in a lot of decks, as I've fought against many of them. Supremacy Berry is featured in certain decks, but the main out to burn is XZH, since Burning Land typically occupies a S/T zone. I've played people who run Jar of Avarice and flip effect bounce effects to clear the way for how passive mill and burn are. I ran Gale Lizard myself to open up fields. These cards also can double as generic outs. So saying shit like 'why isn't anyone running Shadow of Eyes?' would of course be met with derision since you want to account for cards while being as multi-faceted as possible, since you can end up drawing your tech when you don't need it and not drawing your tech when actually matched against the deck.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Illusionz
Why do you think Phoenix is one of the most dominant decks at the moment?
Phoenix is Tier 2 at best, and falling fast.

De-Spell and Burning Land and Magic Deflector are teched in a lot of decks, as I've fought against many of them.
I've played people who run Jar of Avarice

No offense, but this sounds like you're in Gold or Plat. I didn't see a single one of these cards in any of my duels this season.

Toon, burn, and mill are completely irrelevant in the top meta

massdebater
massdebater

@ZeroReborn
I got to KOG using a toon deck and I played vs a few toon decks on the way that used magic reflector. I don't play it though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sharpcharm
Raging flame sprite handless balance

askme
askme

@ZeroReborn
I'm the guy you actually replied to (just to clarify) and I already made KOG for the month. Phoenix isn't falling at all. High Tide Phoenix were some of my toughest games if they actually drew the High Tides. And just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't being played. Toon is still prevalent given Toon Barrel Dragon setups, Burn comes in varying forms, and Mill is most notably with Extra, Extra.

Lunatick
Lunatick

What GX character do you guys think is the perfect representation of this general?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Lunatick
Crowler.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sir_Gallonhead
Ojama black

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Lunatick
Dmitri, the net-decking scrub and DM nostalgiafag.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Lunatick
Manjoume/Chazz
Originally had high hopes and aspirations but slowly degenerated to a point where he just wanted to fug Asuka/Alexis

likme
likme

@Lunatick
Irrelevant people who over-analize everything but nobody knows we exist and even if they did nobody would care.

likme
likme

@likme
Wasn't his best monster a Math Teacher?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@likme
tfw I used to have 6 decks because I thought Bastion was cool
tfw I also faded into obscurity

I miss those decks so much bros.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@likme
You mean this card? I hope we get it

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@likme
nobody will even run bastions cards in his deck
everyone is gonna stuff hydro/oxygeddon into rex raptor decks and be even more fucking cancerous with water dragon and cluster water dragon

askme
askme

@ZeroReborn
fuck you, he is one of the best Hero cards, reason why they should give it away instead of the crappy vanilla shit we will get

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Raving_Cute
What is econ and srh?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@likme
@Burnblaze
I used to like Bastion until
A) He went and got all pathetic and begged to be in the Society of Light
B) He never revealed the Fire Dragon deck nor the rest of his decks, I was so mad, I wanted to see them

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Burnblaze
No shit. Everyone's going to run magnet warriors with him because he's going to have a heaps good skill that makes them top meta

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@SniperGod
Enemy Controller and Super Rush Headlong

TechHater
TechHater

It seems that Judai and company from GX are competing in DUEL LINKS! Fans are realizing their dream matchups!

As for me I, of course, cannot afford to lose with the OG team no matter what so I think I’ll do my best- with Yugi and Kaiba!

Judai: Senpai! Go easy on me…!!
Yami Yugi: Right! Lookin’ forward to this!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZdCFqmgnli/?taken-by=studio_dice

5mileys
5mileys

@askme
I agree he is one of the best heroes in the game and thats his issue. We dont want the best we want runner ups.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
We got to see his Water, Earth and Light decks, and some of his Dark if Dark was his Vorse Raider deck. I too was also butthurt we never got to see Fire Dragon. I bet his wind deck was some cancer LP gain using those fairies that give you 1000 based on their position.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stupidasole
No. It was some red mage looking asshole. Maybe with aDomino mask

Methshot
Methshot

@Nojokur
They also never released Litmus Doom Swordsman or any of his Magnet Warriors.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Booteefool
This guy
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Litmus_Doom_Swordsman

Like @Methshot
said, it was never released.

massdebater
massdebater

@viagrandad

I run a Machine deck similar to this, with a few pretty notable differences.

Only 1 Y-Dragon Head. Liklihood you'll get all three to bring out XYZ? low anyway. I replaced those 2 slots with 2x Sgt. Electro. XYZs, especially the fusions, are essentially control decks. Sgt. Electro is a staple in that field.

I felt that the deck ran weird, I was always getting a copy of Frontline Base or Machine Assembly Line when I didn't need it, and Front Line is reeeaally only useful first turn. I only use 1 copy of Machine Assembly Line, no Frontline Base, instead subbing in a few defense spells and traps like Mirror Wall, Windstorm of Etaqua.

On the topic of defensive cards, Half Shut is perfect for my Sleight of Hand version of this deck, as it and Mirror Wall allow me to take just enough controlled damage to get my 7 Completed. That 7 Completed can also give you a free discard for Eliminating the League or Rising Energy.

Rising Energy is another great card for machine decks, especially for Victory Viper XX03 which is probably outside the scope of your deck. It's probably my favorite card in the game right now, so I run it when I can. The attack boost from Rising Energy also applies to the token it can summon, giving you a second ridiculous attack.

Also, my machine nigga, GET A COPY OF GRAVITY BLASTER.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@w8t4u

How best good we break the meta with this? I'm thinking Twin Swords of Flashing Light +SRH/Rising Energy+ something that keeps her attack off the fucking floor.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@likme
I hope we get his Manga Zombie cards like Mezuki and Gozuki as drops.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@massdebater
gravity blaster a shit, metalmorph is better

Methshot
Methshot

@DeathDog
How best good we break the meta with this?

? ? ? ? ?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@DeathDog
lol no
its shit

cum2soon
cum2soon

@whereismyname
Gozuki as drops.

Never gonna happen. Why not spend some gems on Crimson Kingdom PacksTM?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Would anyone be interested in seeing my old decks? Just for some nostalgia and maybe ideas? This game is making me feel things guys.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@CouchChiller
No

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CouchChiller
Sure. Here's one of my first decks to start it off

eGremlin
eGremlin

Lose due to time loss on opponent's turn
Damn I sure did deserve to lose that one

FastChef
FastChef

@Firespawn
Nice, its a shame equips aren't as good as they once were, what made you choose DM over Blue eyes? To keep with the dark theme?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

mfw the wasteland skill is actually for Bastion to support his dinosaurs, zombies and magnets

Inmate
Inmate

@Techpill
Next mini box pls

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@farquit
play field spell + judgement of anubis

massdebater
massdebater

Go on a win streak of literally any capacity
Disconnect loss to Jap player
Epic game jewnami

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@massdebater
I feel so fortunate, haven't DC'd since Plat, made KOG just the other day. It was so bad for me the season before last I couldn't break out of Plat since virtually every other game would be a DC.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TurtleCat

Yfw metalmorph is face-up, destroyed, boost is gone.
Yfw no boost on your fucking opponent's turn.
Yfw Enemy monster's effect activates taking you with it.
Yfw you have to wait a turn after metalmorph is down to activate it
Yfw you don't have a face because your opponent blew it off because you used fucking metalmorph.

I ran Metalmorph. Now I don't. Grav blaster out paces it over the same period of turns. Metalmorph works offensively, but is defensively useless. Your opponent doesn't get to have flip effects. Only things that trigger are effects once already in the GV, i.e. exploder dragon and Yomi Ship. Does take a lot of bullshit off the table though.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Need_TLC
doesn't that miss timing? i thought the monsters left the field THEN the monster was summoned

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@FastChef
Pretty much, I didn't even have Dark Magic Attack or Sage's Stone or anything back then. Funny thing is, this deck actually did okay in the ladder way back. Wonder Balloons and Grarl were a lot more powerful since the meta was still in 1600-1900 ATK range, and S/T removal was actually really rare.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@BlogWobbles
Negating flip effects doesn't happen often, and it's not a big deal. If it worked like Baou's, Gravity Blaster would be good. Other than that, it's a flat attack boost which is shit now that there's so much s/t that destroy monsters. Metalmorph is at least a trap and can be activated defensively and will help attack over nearly everything the moment you use it. Rare Metalmorph is better than Gravity Blaster too. Flat attack increase is incredibly pointless.

farquit
farquit

@Methshot
Maybe some day. We just recently got Cyber Angels

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Is there even a point in trying to make the newer GX decks 'competitive' when the older decks like Red-Eyes and Toons are Turn 1 cancer turboing? Pretty sure Horus turbo will join them eventually, since it's another Turn 1 cucker deck too if built right.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@AwesomeTucker
Nope, until something dethrones red eyes/ninja, why waste your gems?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TreeEater
Yeah you right how about the gates though you can do the Dimension Gate to use it twice

Inmate
Inmate

@TurtleCat
I just feel like Konami isn't going to do shit about the meta until the KC Report for the upcoming KC tournament comes out, which is probably why they're hosting it in the first place. But still, that's so long that we'd have to deal with this nonsense.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@AwesomeTucker
not running cyber dragons with cv
not using dna surgery to fuse your opponent's toon barrel dragon into a chimeratech
CYBER STYLE

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Ignoramus
yfw Zane just gets Cyber Phoenix, Cyber Kirin, Proto-Cyber Dragon, Laser, and Barrier

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Ignoramus
when dna surgery, cyber dragons and chimeratech are soon

Inmate
Inmate

Still getting new Ns and Rs 80 packs into a box
What a great system

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Duel Links World Championships was determined by who can abuse Toon Kingdom first
Both players abilties are about maybe getting it in your Hand with Restart or Balance
No one thinks to run the Toon World ability on Pegasus and to activate Kingdom over it if they do end up drawing it so they don't brick
Am I missing something?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Dreamworx
If Toon World is destroyed, all of your toon monsters would be destroyed along with it, even if you had TK up.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Dreamworx
They prioritize Kingdom over being able to get Toons out since it doesn't matter if you put out Skull Turn 1 if it just gets SRH'd or Econ'd the next turn. Then you're down a monster, and Toons need to manage their cards carefully.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@cum2soon
They might give him zwei instead. Or it might be dark Zane and we get the cyber darks instead of all of the good stuff.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

8 HOURS TILL TOUGH TIMES

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Dreamworx
activate spell removal on unprotected TW
all your toons get destroyed

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BinaryMan
Sorry GX friend, it's been delayed to tomorrow. Roughly 31 hours from now

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BinaryMan
@MPmaster
SAD TIMES

King_Martha
King_Martha

@MPmaster
Why does everyone keep saying GX is delayed? Wasn't it always set for the 28th?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fuzzy_Logic
WAR CRIMES

SniperWish
SniperWish

@King_Martha
Yeah, but they cannot into time zones

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Gigastrength
THIGH HIGHS

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Spazyfool
GAY GUYS

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Spazyfool
THIGH HIGHS
MUH DICK

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spazyfool
@New_Cliche
Card games are my maiden.

5mileys
5mileys

@AwesomeTucker
Pretty sure Horus turbo will join them eventually
LMAO

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@5mileys
LMAO
LOOO-OOO-OOO-OOOL
See how that works?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Ignoramus
Horus is one of those cards that work as a shitter detector. If you think it's anywhere near the level of Red-Eyes and TBD I have bad news for you.

King_Martha
King_Martha

On the episode where Chazz is dueling Jaden for North Academy. Why does North Academy suck, and is Chazz actually the best duelist? He literally beat 50 people with a deck of random cards.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BinaryMan
Horus definitely isn't tier 1 right now, but it can actually beat red eyes fairly consistently if you play right.

If you can get Horus Lv8 on the field, they're done. What can they do? Their best option is to use beatdown with two REZ and crash, but that's why you have metalmorph and mirror wall. Literally all you have to do is just chill until you get a 1-3 card guard counters on Horus Lv8, then start attacking.
All their econ, SRH, AMA, are completely useless. At best, they'll have to hope you ram carelessly into a mirror wall (Which won't matter because of card guard)

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Harmless_Venom
I mean not lose 20 straight

JunkTop
JunkTop

@King_Martha
@SniperWish
The in game notifications said 27th, then today they announce the extended end date for the tower event, and changes the notification for GX to the 28th, that why people thought that

Skullbone
Skullbone

@King_Martha
Most of Duel Academia's students suck too, pretty much every single student that's not part of the main cast is at the best average at dueling (excluding select characters like Mokeo/Belowski)
There's an episode in season 2 where Alexis/Asuka's two friends can't win a 2v1 duel but then she steps in and curb stomps their opponent

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Garbage Can Lid
yeah you can definitely get 1 out of 20 wins with it. You can summon him and then roll out a 2k beater and just hit em.

FastChef
FastChef

Oh...

eGremlin
eGremlin

@LuckyDusty
Not much else though? I don't see alot of synergy besides his unions and warrior support

StonedTime
StonedTime

@King_Martha
You have to change your thinking to their universe. There are multiple educational institutions specifically for dueling. Playing the game isn't something you can pick up in a day in universe, it takes years of study to even be admitted as a slifer slacker

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@FastChef
Rev up them flip effects

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@StonedTime
Playing the game isn't something you can pick up in a day in universe, it takes years of study to even be admitted as a slifer slacker

Joey got to duelist kingdom finals literally picking it up as he went along

they just need more TIME ROULETTE GO in their decks.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@eGremlin
Yeah i mean thats all there is. You can sac the 2k beater to make him attack directly.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Need_TLC
Nah dude, it's not about playing right, it's about Horus literally getting cucked by basic shit like Floodgate. While you're "chilling" trying to set up Mirror Wall and Card Guards (lmao) they already went in on you with 3 REZD.

All their econ, SRH, AMA
Kek, Red-Eyes (and TBD, Ninjas, Phoenix...) doesn't even play econ/SRH, occasionally 1-of at most. The only deck that gets shut down by Horus' spell denial is Psychics.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Can this guy be used to destroy face down spell/trap with it's effect? Any help?

Evilember
Evilember

@Fuzzy_Logic
joey made it to duelist kingdom finals because he's one cheating and lucky son on a bitch. he always pulled time wizard out of his ass and even then time wizards effect was completely bullshit. also that one episode of joey vs rex, joey puts time wizard in the spell/trap zone and nobody called him out on it not even the dueling computer.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Fuzzy_Logic
Joey barely won his duels, and he wouldn't have won at all if it wasn't for Time Wizard, which he got from Yugi. So imagine all the other joey-level players who DIDN'T have a friend who happened to have access to his grandpa's card shop, they'd get cucked in the first duels.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Why isn't amazoness swordswoman available for an SR ticket?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Bidwell
It was added as a drop in an update, none of the update cards are there as SR ticket rewards for some reason

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Fuzzy_Logic
@Evilember
Joey made it to the finals because he practiced with Yugi daily. He trained with the fucking King of games. He beat the 2nd place world champ. He isn't bad he just loses to the fucking best of the best.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Harmless_Venom
Kek, Red-Eyes (and TBD, Ninjas, Phoenix...) doesn't even play econ/SRH, occasionally 1-of at most. The only deck that gets shut down by Horus' spell denial is Psychics.
So you're saying we need Jinzo

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@FastChef
UR

Supergrass
Supergrass

@iluvmen
Yes it doesn't say face down does it?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Harmless_Venom
A single Jinzo wouldn't hurt.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fuzzy_Logic
@Evilember
@Spazyfool

Joey is actually confirmed to be the best duelist in Yu-Gi-Oh. Kazuki has even confirmed this. He was the only duelist who won without having magic or the ability to own all the most powerful cards in existence. He made it to the semi finals of battle city and actually would have beat Marik if it wasn't for "muh shadow games" and Marik had the fucking Winged Dragon of Ra, which was supposed to be the strongest god card.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@iluvmen
it only specifies that they have to be S/T, any card in the S/T zones are treated as S/T when face down

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Supergrass
I'm not very good with understanding yugioh cards. I would assume it can do both face down and face up? Honestly not 100% sure

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@RumChicken
no, joey is just completely lucky. his first duel with mai he pulls out time wizard. his second duel with rex he pulls out time wizard. his duel with bonez he bullshit pulls sword and shield. his duel with yugi, yami was going soft on him because he was his friend.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Burnblaze
It's a precaution in case they ever add any variation of Morphing Jar.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Harmless_Venom
This is such a delusional post. Hey Einstein, anyone can drop a Floodgate and say the other deck is shit. Tracing back the replies, the point was turboing Horus out. You turbo Red-Eyes out with CV backup, you're set. You turbo out TK and a Toon, you're set. You turbo out Horus Lv 8, you're set. How the fuck are they going to go in on you when you still have access to your SRH and any other protective shit you want?

The only deck that gets shut down by Horus' spell denial is Psychics.
Now I know you're either a dumbfuck or trolling for whatever reason. SRH and Econ are staples and make up most of the protection in Control. Red-Eyes has Insight. Toon has Kingdom. Phoenix has Island. SM has Level Up. Invader has Mauso. Relinquished has its Ritual Spell. Ninja is probably the only deck that doesn't have to rely on any Spells.

askme
askme

@Sharpcharm
and why the fuck would they ever do that? mill is already pretty damn strong without them

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Nude_Bikergirl
Yugi actually uses probability manipulation to get the cards he always wants
Yeah Joey's luck sure is bullshit broken right?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SomethingNew
Luck
Best duelist
oh, okay

Inmate
Inmate

@SomethingNew
joey is the worst duelist, he just has the highest luck stat in the entire series. if joey ran a toon barrel dragon deck he would be king of games.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@ZeroReborn
Luck is more fair than actual magic. And Joey doesn't always win on his luck, unlike yugi who always top decks because of magic.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@askme
Well in a weird way they're kind of fun

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Inmate
@ZeroReborn

muh luck

His finest duels had little to no reliance on luck. Him getting ready to kick the shit out of Marik was done entirely without it unless you count Quiz, but that was using Marik's Helpoemer against him.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Sharpcharm
@Sir_Gallonhead
joey still can't build a deck for shit so his relies on his asspull anime luck to win

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Nude_Bikergirl
Joey fucking made it to the battle city semi finals. He is good at the game. He almost beat a fucking God card using fucker but he made it into a shadow game. He passed out from being hurt when he was going to win.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@AwesomeTucker
He builds decks based off of what he can afford, he is literally poor as shit. He spent a majority of his prize money on fixing his sisters eyes, and he is the soul provider of his family since his dad is a worthless drunk piece of shit.
And as the series progresses his deck actually becomes more cohesive because he is getting better.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@AwesomeTucker

Makes you wonder what the fuck did he have at the beginning of duelist kingdom that made people wanna trade sweet shit like Kunai with Chain and Salamandra to him

askme
askme

@ZeroReborn
joey won like a million dollars from duelist kingdom, he had more than enough money after his sisters operation to buy some cards. he even knew yugi's grandpa who could have gave him a deal at his shop.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@AwesomeTucker

It's not luck user, It's the heart of the cards and his friends supporting him.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@viagrandad
he probably had some rare as shit cards but because he sucked ass he traded them away for kunai and chain

Nojokur
Nojokur

@askme
And at battle city it showed. His deck was better. Good enough to beat Marik if it was a normal duel. Good enough to get mother fucking JINZO from a cheating piece of shit. Gearfried mother fucking 4 star 1800.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Garbage Can Lid
being this much of a shitter
Jesus Christ. You're probably still in Gold, so I'll go easy on you.

anyone can drop a Floodgate and say the other deck is shit
Two things:

1. Horus is played as a 1-of. If they Floodgate your Horus you're fucked.
2. If someone Floodgates a REZD, for example, they still have the other two, not to mention they can tribute it to another REZD and they're instantly back on the game.

Horus is particularly vulnerable to Floodgate, while the same can't be said about Red-Eyes.

You turbo Red-Eyes out with CV backup, you're set. You turbo out TK and a Toon, you're set.
No, user, you Insight into Red-Eyes and you 3SD into TBD. Both are much easier to do them waiting for Card Guards to level up Horus (seriously, lmao).

SRH and Econ are staples and make up most of the protection in Control
Control
Yeah, tier 2 decks do. Find me "all the econ/SRH/AMA" here and tell what deck runs those cards:

http://www.duellinksmeta.com/mcs2.html

I'll wait.

Red-Eyes has Insight. Toon has Kingdom. Phoenix has Island.
All of which are literally played on the first turn. You're retarded if you think Horus could ever come out before that.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BinaryMan

Joey probably opened his dueling career by trading away an early meta defining card

What even was yugioh meta right off the bat like?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@ZeroReborn
he builds
Wrong. Keith called him out for just having a stack of cards. It wasn't even a deck

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TreeEater
BEWD or other big as fucking monsters because there were no sacrificing.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TreeEater
If you meant real life 4 star 1800 beaters, Summon Skulls, and equips.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@askme
Did you not see how many rare cards he added to his deck after duelist kingdom? As @TurtleCat
mentions, his DK deck was literally just 40 random cards with very little synergy. On top of that, most of them were commons in universe. His BC deck was much more coherent and had more in universe rares

@TreeEater
Summon big monster and attack

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize

There's no way Joey would have anything REAL BIG to trade away for a trap

If anything maybe he had meteor dragon. Or maybe a single thunder dragon and fusion material fodder

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
Summoned Skull as a boss monster
La Jinn the Mystical Genie of The Lamp as first turn monster

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@TreeEater
This card was the strongest beater at the start. If you want I can show you the best deck at the start of the game.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Stark_Naked
I'm the original user (not the user you just replied to) that originally said horus wasn't tier 1, but could beat red eyes. I still stand by that, because if you can get horus lv8 out, you pretty much win. And card guard is actually a great tech for horus, there's literally no way for most rez decks to beat lv8 with 1-2 guard counters. It's still tier 2-3 deck at best though, since you're kinda fucked if lv8 dies.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TreeEater
@TurtleCat

What in-universe rare cards did he even have? I know Gearfried probably fit the bill, but before he won battle city prizes off everyone else. I can't even remember if his deck was even that consistent.

I mean, motherfucker used alligator sword and baby dragon all the time. He had what, maybe one or two warrior support?

I think Joey's most consistent shtick was comeback traps like grave robber and magical arm shield instead of warriors

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@King_Martha
Skull & Graceful Dice. I always used to wonder why joey had so many weak monsters, but then I saw that those dice cards need weak monsters to work

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PurpleCharger
there's literally no way for most rez decks to beat lv8 with 1-2 guard counters
There's also literally no way you can pull that off consistently and fast enough to overpower them.

Think about it, you're talking about playing 5-6 cards just to bring Horus and protect him, while a simple Red-Eyes Balance just needs Insight and CV.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SomethingNew

Hit me up fampai, I need to feel ancient.

farquit
farquit

@haveahappyday
You may like this user:

https://ygoprodeck.com/history-of-the-meta-part-1-beatdown/

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Stark_Naked
Jesus Christ. You're probably still in Gold, so I'll go easy on you.
Nice meme, I've made KOG 4 times already, including this season.

Your "two things" completely ignore my point about being turbo'd out. Not to mention, if Floodgate is that much of a fear mid-game, the player would have simple solutions like Nobleman of Extermination and gee I dunno a second Horus Lv 8. Bizarre idea, I know.

No, user, you Insight into Red-Eyes and you 3SD into TBD. Both are much easier to do them waiting for Card Guards to level up Horus (seriously, lmao).
And you can 3SD a Horus Lv 6 and Level Up right away to go in. Insight and TBD both waste a turn being passive anyway so it's not like waiting for an Electro Sergeant or Mirage Dragon or Trap hate to be live is so laughable.

That's cute, you're basing a tiering system on one tournament rather than what shows up on the actual fucking ladder. It's like if I asked you to point out the Red-Eyes deck in Worlds and if you couldn't it's a garbage Tier 4 deck.

All of which are literally played on the first turn. You're retarded if you think Horus could ever come out before that.
3SD into Horus Lv 6, Level Up. Shit wait no that's too retarded........ darn.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@King_Martha
The dice, Gilford

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@farquit
Kek

WebTool
WebTool

If Odion almost fairly beat Joey does that mean the real 3rd best duelist is living in some tomb in Egypt and thus didn't get acknowledgment?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Red eyes/Psychic=Rock
Phoenix=Scissor
TBD/Ninja=Paper
This is fact.

Techpill
Techpill

@Fried_Sushi
It's not just about horus lv8 though. I've been running a horus deck in kog and it does better than you'd think against red eyes. 3x mw and 3x metalmorph means it's easy to level horus up, and even having horus lv6 is enough. If horus lv6 is up, what can they do? Risk an attack and hit mw or metalmorph? I'm not saying it's as reliable as red eyes, but it's not a useless meme deck like some people are saying.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Is duel links actually a good game? Should I even bother playing it?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Firespawn
No to both

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Do you think we will finally get Red-Eyes Fusion with Fubuki Tenjoin?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Firespawn
Leave, leave now before it's too late user

RumChicken
RumChicken

@VisualMaster
I'm just hoping we get him period. He's far from the surest thing, especially if they have to create a specific event for him.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Firespawn
Nope

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Crazy_Nice
@AwesomeTucker
@Fuzzy_Logic
any other good mobile games to play then?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@LuckyDusty
Schmoogioh Schmool Schinks is pretty good

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Emberburn
simple solutions like Nobleman of Extermination and gee I dunno a second Horus Lv 8
The more cards you add to your deck the less consistent and prone to bricking it becomes. You should know that by now if you really got KOG 4 times.

That's cute, you're basing a tiering system on one tournament rather than what shows up on the actual fucking ladder. It's like if I asked you to point out the Red-Eyes deck in Worlds and if you couldn't it's a garbage Tier 4 deck.
Kek the ladder is full of random shit decks that don't prove anything, and pointing to metas from months ago doesn't help your case at all. Tournaments like that one are your best option to see what is really meta and what isn't.

3SD into Horus Lv 6, Level Up
auto-loses if doesn't go first or bricks
what is consistency?
All of your arguments are theoretical and based on best case scenarios, which is pretty much the trademark of a shitter who doesn't have practical experience with the game.

But hey, don't take my word for it, try it out next season if you're so confident and see what happens.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Im gonna do it you guys!

tfw still no salamander

Evilember
Evilember

@WebTool
All 8 battle city finalists are probably in all the duel history books. That tournament as spoken as one of the biggest and most influential ones ever held

hairygrape
hairygrape

@haveahappyday
Here is the best deck possible out of volume 1 of vugioh. This deck was meta for a whole 15 days of the games inception until the starter deck came out. Shockingly the game was pretty balanced around volume/booster 4 with each type having its own beater.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Nojokur
All of your arguments are theoretical and based on best case scenarios, which is pretty much the trademark of a shitter who doesn't have practical experience with the game.

Not the user you replied to, but I'm literally running Dkayed's Horus deck and it's holding it's own in KoG against top tier meta decks. It's not all about Lv8, just having Lv6 on the field is enough to put pressure on them.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@hairygrape
Sparks was in a top meta deck
Pinch me, I'm dreaming

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@kizzmybutt
running Dkayed's Horus deck
post d*ck pls

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nojokur
He's better in the manga with the Yokai Type.dek

Hopefully the GX World will give us more nostalgia support in the next OCG packs.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@hairygrape
So it was a battle ofseeing who used up all their black holes before they used all their dark magicians?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Techpill
@kizzmybutt
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's useless. But it's definitely below the meta decks we have now. Tier 2 at best.

I wouldn't really too much on KOG testing either. Try climbing with it during the first week of the next season to have a better idea of how viable it actually is.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Evil_kitten
Pretty much, this style of play didn't last as long, once poly was released int the starter deck you would run flame swordsman and darkfire dragon. Blue Eyes was also in that set, but dragon capture jar was a hard counter to dragons. You would replace the shitty 700s with 1100 and 1300 hundreds of the type you liekd the most and adjusted the equips and field spells accordingly. OH also Raigeki was in that set lol. So Monster destruction was crazy prevalent.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@hairygrape
Reminder that this user is talking about OCG.

TechHater
TechHater

@Spazyfool
Here you go user. Optimized version would be
-1 Enemy Controller
+1 Floodgate Trap Hole

You could also add a 3rd card guard and take out a Lv6 horus, but I prefer having 2.

@GoogleCat
Yeah, tier 2 sounds about right.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@eGremlin
Yeah I forgot to say that. But I find the ocg meta pretty interesting compared to the tcg where it instantly dropped into summoned skull beat.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI3ZBuc924U&index=1&list=PLyyIspWf8XA10314TlWRKS6JKUyxNupc6

For those people who care here is a video series about the meta of the tcg from 2002-2004. idk if anyone cares but this is extremely interesting to me.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Boy_vs_Girl
Thanks for this user, I love this shit. How many vids?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Nojokur
The more cards you add to your deck the less consistent and prone to bricking it becomes. You should know that by now if you really got KOG 4 times.
Wow it's almost like you can't brick with your decks of 3 REBD/REZD and 3 Insights and 3 Spirits and any other draw that's not a means to put out a monster.

Kek the ladder is full of random shit decks that don't prove anything, and pointing to metas from months ago doesn't help your case at all. Tournaments like that one are your best option to see what is really meta and what isn't.
Kek yeah I better focus on the random shit decks rather than the decks that had the consistency and forethought to push to KOG. It does help my point exponentially actually since tournaments old and new highlight how high anti-meta can go. Mill, NMCR Psychics, etc are just reactions to the top decks that demonstrate how sniping matchups in a small pool of candidates can get you ahead. On their own or pitted against a wider expanse of decks, they don't perform as consistently as the meta decks they try to cover.

All of your arguments are theoretical and based on best case scenarios, which is pretty much the trademark of a shitter who doesn't have practical experience with the game.
It's like you don't play the current game or pay attention to the conversation. Because that's literally what fucking happens now anyway and why Red-Eyes and Toons were the fucking examples used in the beginning. Red-Eyes vs. Toons do this on so many occasions. Toons win the coin flip, they win by getting Kingdom Barrel out. Red-Eyes wins the coin flip, they win by CVing the Kingdom/Barrel.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CouchChiller
Around 5 videos all of which made me appreciate the game a lot more.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@CouchChiller
No they don't?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sir_Gallonhead
Roll a six-sided die and select 1 monster with 500 or less ATK. Multiply its ATK by the number rolled.

This is graceful dices' anime effect.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Boy_vs_Girl
Now i realised than i had a tier 1 deck as a kid
Well cool, too bad that my mom didnt let me use those card much outside of home, they werent cheap

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
March 18th, 1999, Celtic Guardian was released. At this point it was the most powerful monster in the game.

So that's why it was a Super Rare back then? Huh

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Booteefool
But youre forgetting that Graceful Dice has a dice on it while Graceful Chairty does not have a dice on it

Inmate
Inmate

@viagrandad
If you want to see something interesting, almost every card in Kaiba and Yugis deck in the first series consist of the strongest cards of their respective meta.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

So. How is the GX event going to work? Will I need to spend gems?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@VisualMaster
Wow it's almost like you can't brick with your decks of 3 REBD/REZD and 3 Insights and 3 Spirits and any other draw that's not a means to put out a monster.
You can, but the likelihood of bricking with Red-Eyes is minimal compared to the deck you're proposing.

This kind of comparison only makes you look like you don't know shit about those decks.

consistency and forethought to push to KOG
Reaching KOG means far less than you think. The fact that someone with your knowledge of the game apparently could reach it 4 times shows that.

reactions to the top decks
Literally how metas are defined, user. Going through trash while climbing the ladder doesn't change the fact that those decks perform well both at the higher ranks and tournaments. It's not like you can't switch decks either.

Toons win the coin flip, they win by getting Kingdom Barrel out. Red-Eyes wins the coin flip, they win by CVing the Kingdom/Barrel.
The difference is that they still have good chances of winning even if they lose the coin flip, because not only are they much more consistent but also don't depend on going first.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Stupidasole
no axe of despair
You can't unga without one of those

Playboyize
Playboyize

@New_Cliche
Some people say than there will be a new HERO structure deck, so maybe

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Playboyize
Well I just started today and have almost 4000 gems, so I guess I could buy the structure deck and then spend the rest on ultimate rising to get sphere kuribohs

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stupidasole
Including Heart of the Underdog
Heh

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@SniperWish
I started two days ago and now have 6000 gems. Won't use any until I'm unable to defeat the SD

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Nojokur
I had a comic shop near my house that sold commons for 20 cents each. So I built a top tier beater deck with all the reprints from back then

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@New_Cliche
It's going to be a new world, no gem spending needed
The most you might need is to be at a certain stage level in Duel Monsters world, but we don't know for sure yet

WebTool
WebTool

@SniperWish
3500 is only 70 packs, which isn't even half of a main box. Odds are against you getting Sphere Kuriboh in that amount, and virtually everything else in there is trash you'll never use.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TechHater
For anyone interested in playing Horus, here's an example duel against a REZ deck that I just had in KoG.

https://my.mixtape.moe/mvfufy.MOV

I think this might be my new favorite deck to play. It's not entirely consistent yet, but Electro lockdown, Card Guard protection, and Floodgate for bigger threats is really working well.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Here was my zombie deck around the time of magic ruler.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@WebTool
So just keep saving forever then?@Flameblow

RumChicken
RumChicken

@BinaryMan
Fuck I used to do this too. I'm not sure why I was blessed with slightly better deck building skills, but my 40 card deck of Battle Ox and Axe of Despair reprints absolutely trounced all the other kids who have massive stack decks filled with rares that didn't work together

Soft_member
Soft_member

@SniperWish
Yeah better dont do that
Ultimate rising isnt good and the meta will change soon, and the only deck than actually run sphere kurboh and is falling from the meta already
If you want something decent try the more recent boxes, or just wait two weeks for someone to tell you what will be meta next season

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Soft_member
Well alright. I was thinking of building Heroes or Ojamas anyways, cause I've got a case of GX nostalgia

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Dreamworx
Triple Axe of Despair
I can't wait till it gets released and every 30 card loaner deck has 3 of it

idontknow
idontknow

@SomethingNew
I'm not saying that, but I'm preparing you for the inevitable defeat at the hands of Konami's RNG and the dreaded Desire Sensor.

I'd argue that it'd be better for you to focus on getting the core of a deck you want to build and then using that to grind for the gems to get your hands on staples.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Dreamworx
magic ruler
I remember when that pack came out, it was the first one with rituals for the TCG. Should have seen the reactions from the other kids when I showed them those hot new blue cards no one had ever seen before

DeathDog
DeathDog

@MPmaster
if it makes you feel better, allegedly theres a booster coming out for HEROes so you can spend 500 gems on it and likely get some useful shit for jaden
eventually you should build a deck to farm jaden/aster for more elemental/destiny heroes

my advice is to look over packs, see if new ones are coming out and just buy as many as you can with cards you like

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@VisualMaster
Trading rituals was how I got all my magic jammers lol. Kids didn't give a shit about spells/traps so I took advantage of that reallll hard.

Evilember
Evilember

Check rulings
You CAN use Level Up! on Horus lv6 to go into lv8
What the fuck I've been making these games so much harder on myself

takes2long
takes2long

have 5 characters not 40 (30-39)
tfw didn't make it in time for all 40s before GX came out

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Evilember
Yup, Level Up is a cost, so it can work on Lv6. Also, try mystic box on lv6 :^)

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog
I've got the dragon structure deck so far. Maybe that's enough.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@DeathDog
Don't worry, I know about Mystic Box
I've memed with it using Legendary Fisherman in the past

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@takes2long
You still have a day user! Gogogogogo!

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sharpcharm
You can, but the likelihood of bricking with Red-Eyes is minimal compared to the deck you're proposing.
This kind of comparison only makes you look like you don't know shit about those decks.
Oh of course you're right, because the likelihood you calculated from your ass would naturally make it out to be a poor comparison. I'd better hope I get that Insight Turn 1!

Reaching KOG means far less than you think. The fact that someone with your knowledge of the game apparently could reach it 4 times shows that.
And winning a tournament means a lot, by comparison, I take it? I hope you're not insinuating that after Worlds Finals. They were better off rolling dice to determine the winner. And if you're going to bring up the Dkayed tournament again, you're severely missing the point of this conversation. You can have all the outs you want but it's not only about drawing those outs but being able to position them in time, which is why Turn 1 cancer is what's manifested by Red-Eyes, Toon, and is what Horus can bring to the table.

Literally how metas are defined, user. Going through trash while climbing the ladder doesn't change the fact that those decks perform well both at the higher ranks and tournaments. It's not like you can't switch decks either.
They're only 'trash' in the eyes of the utmost top decks, yet are on the same level as the anti-meta decks or beyond them. But the point was that you're using a tournament where anti-meta thrives as a hallmark for determining what's acceptable to be run. Attack on GHQ is a garbage card but it could see more play than say SRH because of the functionality of the Mill deck in that environment -- it doesn't diminish the effectiveness of SRH.

The difference is that they still have good chances of winning even if they lose the coin flip, because not only are they much more consistent but also don't depend on going first.
No, that's literally not true at all. Same chances as Horus drawing a tech at best.

Inmate
Inmate

@takes2long
Yeah, looks like my Marik's gonna stay at level 30-something for a while
Hopefully Lord Poison never becomes useful

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@takes2long
have most characters around 30s
Latefag without Bakura, Marik, Pegasus

Im really really fucked

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Inmate
Plants are actually decent user. I'd go for lord poison

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Inmate
you can only get 1 Lord Poison and it's rare
They need to add some method to get certain level up rewards more than once. Or let you get them all and make a proper limit list.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Raving_Cute
He's like 6 levels away and I'm gonna gun for Chazz/Manjoume's level up rewards when GX drops.
I'd have to go through Land of the Titans more for more Dust Knights and Talayas, anyway

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

spend a good amount of gems and over 2 months building a 3SD DM deck, only need 2 more CV's, but lost most interest in it now.

Welp. Now what?

Also, how can I use Fenghuang? Idk why I got him.

Nojokur
Nojokur

so been some time since box release.. card guard still hype or meh?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Gigastrength
how can I use Fenghuang?
Only deck that does use it is as a one-of in Mausoleum+Invader

w8t4u
w8t4u

ive been using a dragon deck with kaiba as a crutch
mfw im gonna need to suffer with aster to get destiny heroes and then again with crowler to get ancient gears
this is also in between farming level 40 variants for shit like gear golem and probably fucking defender/dasher
mfw we're gonna get 3DS next year if this update schedule is any indication
why the fuck am i bothering again?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Uh guys? What did I do?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Gigastrength
That happened to me a lot at the beginning. Now that I've played a lot, I have a fuckton of cards and can make most decks (at least budget versions) because of how many boxes I've opened.

Fenghuang is best paired with destiny draw or treeborn.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StonedTime
Lost

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@LuckyDusty
@Crazy_Nice
Eh, true, I have a fair amount of cards now but I don't really know how to make good decks with what I have, or it seems that I can't because I'm dumb I guess.

Could I use Fenghuang with Mausoleum and Mystic Box? Would I still need Destiny Draw?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@cum2soon
I'd better hope I get that Insight Turn 1!
That's the good thing about Red-Eyes, you don't need to hope. Most of the time you'll have a good hand because the deck is by far the most consistent you can build right now. Can't say the same about a deck that has hands full of Card Guards, Level Ups, and Noblemen of Extermination.

Keep embarrassing yourself with the stupid comparisons, though.

And winning a tournament means a lot, by comparison, I take it?
It does. We didn't see any of those trash decks topping the finals or his tournament, and we would never see no matter how many coins were flipped.

They're only 'trash' in the eyes of the utmost top decks, yet are on the same level as the anti-meta decks or beyond them
You have no idea what "meta" means if you think KOG decks provide a better sample than this kind of event.

You can have all the outs you want but it's not only about drawing those outs but being able to position them in time, which is why Turn 1 cancer is what's manifested by Red-Eyes, Toon
Absolutely.

and is what Horus can bring to the table.
Absolutely not. Again, Horus doesn't have nearly the same level of consistency as those decks.

No, that's literally not true at all. Same chances as Horus drawing a tech at best.
Look, I won't waste more time trying to convince you of something that's obvious to anyone who isn't an absolute shitter. Do what I said, go test it next season and see how well it performs. You can screencap me and if I'm wrong, and Horus turns out to be top tier with Red-Eyes, I'll gladly admit my mistake.

WebTool
WebTool

anti red eyes fags are actually this retarded
Lmao

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Ignoramus
You can screencap me and if I'm wrong, and Horus turns out to be top tier with Red-Eyes, I'll gladly admit my mistake.

Done, I'll see you next month. And just for the record, I wasn't the one who mentioned Card Guard.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Ignoramus
@Spamalot

I wasn't the one who mentioned Card Guard.
I was the one who did, it's good in horus decks.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Are you guys ready for the cloudian meta?

SniperGod
SniperGod

I have over 6000 gems. Would it be wise to spend 500 on every pack?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Poker_Star
Mauso's unreliable without DD. And healing becomes a double positive with DD since it allows you to keep triggering it as well as gaining LP. You won't reliably pull the piece you nees often enough without DD.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Skullbone
Don't have to be since it's not coming

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SniperGod
That's one of the worst ways you could possibly spend your gems, you'll just get a pile of Ns and Rs and maybe luck out with one or two SRs/URs
At this point hold your gems to see if GX has a significant impact on the meta

King_Martha
King_Martha

who's your go to duel character /dlg/?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@King_Martha
Alexis when GX update comes

RavySnake
RavySnake

@King_Martha
Yo momma

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fuzzy_Logic
Alright, I'll try to get DD then.

TechHater
TechHater

@King_Martha
Ask me again in a few days.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

TOUGH CLIMBS

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@King_Martha
Tea. And not for burn/mill.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Ignoramus
HARD TIMES

Lunatick
Lunatick

@King_Martha
call me when aster comes out

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

New

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/vg/thread/190585983#p190585983
/vg/thread/190585983#p190585983

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Lunatick
Aster? More like Lamester lmao

likme
likme

@Lunatick
He comes out with GX

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@King_Martha
For DM Yugi once I unlock him in October. And for GX Jaden of course. In fact, I would even say he is probably my favorite Yugioh character next to Yugi.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

GX blows ass

SniperGod
SniperGod

@likme
Then I guess you know when to make the call then huh?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TurtleCat
favoriting MCs
what is wrong with you

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Skullbone
Keep memeing and the konami guy will tell them Americans love cloudians and they will release a fucking useless fusion in Legend Duelist 3.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Snarelure
He is swell

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@King_Martha

I Only duel with the most skillful duelist of them all.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@CouchChiller
He sux tho

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@LuckyDusty
This

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CouchChiller
bugs, midget bugboy
Disgusting.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@CouchChiller
w-what do you think her bussy smells like

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@LuckyDusty
@Evil_kitten
@Spazyfool

Stop hating on weevil.

@PurpleCharger

I wonder.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Spamalot
I could see this being at 1 somehow

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