/dsg/ - Demons/Dark Souls General

RavySnake
RavySnake

Joined the 93%
/vg/thread/192085206#p192085206

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Character Planner
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DARK SOULS 3
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u8Mak1goSv4g73g16XsWV4sJelDQUatWkP2kcO6GVAA/pub
Full Soundtrack
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Useful PvP data
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DARK SOULS 2
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DARK SOULS
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DEMON'S SOULS
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BLOODBORNE
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sItpr6PHpoEiFbtFIBtPO4UNeNEpxuztHteANTJRHDU
Bloodborne discussion is welcome here, but you'll get more help in their general: /vg/catalog#s=bbg

KING'S FIELD
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COMMUNITY
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Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Reminder that if you use quickstep you're a wuss.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

/vg/thread/192085206#p192145995
it's supposed to be hard even though the only reason it's hard is because they through tons of shit at you at once in a game with the slowest combat and most sluggish controls

you should be having fun REEEEEEE souls is about difficulty REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Playboyize
Playboyize

Reminder that DaS2 is a shit game and DaS2 fanboys deserve Zykon B Team.

TechHater
TechHater

How many points of int/fth sould i put in a lvl 60 pyro?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Playboyize
Reminder that Veeky Forums is not a hivemind and that one sperging tard is not representative of an entire fanbase.

RavySnake
RavySnake

eat almost 2 pounds of spicy chicken
spend 1 hour on the toilet having my insides turn outside for all the world to see

thanks b team

massdebater
massdebater

Anyone unironically miss GFWL? It was a shit platform, but it was so goddamn easy to send/receive hatemail. I've never received hatemail via steam in any of the games, not that I'd even know how to check

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

/vg/thread/192085206#p192141807 #
Yah that tends to happen sometimes. I don't go out of the way to kill some reds but they get greedy and walk into my R1s and I'm not going to stop killing a host just because you walk into my r1s.
/vg/thread/192085206#p192141873 #
It's really annoying to constantly look and see who's who in anything more than 3 players. Instead of focusing on my spacing and timing I have to waste processing on analysing who's red and who's not.
/vg/thread/192085206#p192142057 #
It's nice to get hate mail from reds too. one of the benefits.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@RavySnake
Givr me a good level 55 Invasion Build Bois

girlDog
girlDog

@RavySnake
eat almost 99 pounds of lifegems
spend 40 hours in DaS2 having my insides turn outside for all the world to see

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TechHater
25/25 is tolerable for that level, provided that you have proper investment in Vigor, Endurance and Attunement.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@massdebater
no i prefer a system that doesn't intrude on my video games over a system that lets me get epic upvote messages from angry children

Spamalot
Spamalot

@massdebater
You have to set your profile comments to public, so that people don't have to add you to post comments. And then you do asshole-ish things to people.

likme
likme

@PurpleCharger
Pretty persistent tard because he also pops in every single souls thread on /v/ no matter what. I have a hard time believing it's just one guy.

@girlDog
tfw I could easily buy milk and vegetables from the grocery store, but this would cost me money and add up to my total Money Memory, and so instead I spend an entire season farming crops and raising cattle on my farm to get vegetables and milk without having to increase my Money Memory so long as I keep on my lucky ring at all times

Playboyize
Playboyize

Make a single comment
Trigger multiple spergs at once

This is sad, lets try not to have any of that gay shit this time, just talk about the shit you like if it bothers you so

Emberburn
Emberburn

reminder that all souls games are shit in different ways
DeS aged like milk
DaS has shit second half with lagstab giant dad havel mom PvP
DaS2 looks ugly as fuck and sucks until you level ADP
Bloodborne runs at 24 FPS and has shit connectivity issues. also story chalices sucks
DaS3 is just average with Ashes of Ariandel being the worst DLC in the series

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@CouchChiller
That looks more doable,thanks my dude.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Which bosses / things in Souls you have changed opinion on over time /dsg/ ?
I used to think fairly negatively about Friede as a boss and especially the 3 phase bullshit but after gitting gud with her and learning the fight I've come to appreciate her fight a bit more. I still don't really agree with Father Ariandel being around for more than 1 "cycle" and there are issues with camera in the second phase but I've been warming up to the Friede fight more as I've learned to battle the third phase more effectively.

So what are the Souls things you changed opinion on after time?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Spamalot
have to set profile to public
nope.avi, I guess that explains why I don't get anything. Is it so much to ask to be able to shit talk and receive messages from random scrubs without having to participate in some social media bullshit?

@TechHater
My SL60 pyro has 30/30, but I also have pretty much baseline health (ie, "none") so the choice is yours.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberburn
DaS2 looks ugly as fuck and sucks until you level ADP
on this note, how high should you get adp to start with and how does weight affect it

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

/vg/thread/192085206#p192146683
its still a popular game
smaller online player count than dark souls 1

huh really makes me think

@Playboyize
Make a single comment
Trigger multiple spergs at once
multiple people come btfo my shitty opinion
REEEE stop disliking my favorite game you spergs ;_;

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fried_Sushi
friede not veiled like a proper sister

cover that shit up you fucking slut

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@RavySnake
How much poise do I need for an UGS to tank an r1 from a Vordt or another UGS r1 if I'm at 80 poise?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fried_Sushi
I used to hate Horsecock Valley, but after going through it a couple times I find it tolerable.

I used to think Abyss Watchers was a hard fight until I learned that they could be staggered and parried.

@BlogWobbles
Look up the poise breakpoints table in the OP.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fuzzy_Logic
he's still mad
c'mon user, i know you can o better than this

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@StrangeWizard
Not affected by weight. Get agility to 100 for the game to be tolerable and to prevent spontaneous monitor-smashing from getting damage on attacks that you clearly should've dodged. Agility is affected mostly by Adaptability but also slightly from Attunement. If you're doing a pure melee build with something like Bandit, IIRC it takes like 26-28 adaptability

@Playboyize
t. triggered DS2babby who can't stand the fact that everyone else doesn't want to circlejerk the Dark Souls gaiden game or scholar of the season pass romhack

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

oh wait this ds2 shitposter is the shitposter from /bbg/, i recognize this faggot's posting style. that explains why /bbg/ is still right now

Lunatick
Lunatick

@RavySnake
Ps4
Pass dsg
Sl 40

Does anyone want to help me kill demon prince? I'll wait 5mins then summon lapp and do it solo.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Fuzzy_Logic
nobody did BTFO him though, just wined instead of actually giving any examples or counterpoints.

It's pretty sad you let this get to yo so badly.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@hairygrape
Friede
a sister
She was a snake-worshipping harlot who lacked the conviction to see her duty through. Then she became a pretend nun to fool the denizens of Ariandel into worshipping her and rotting slowly to death.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Snarelure
him

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

/vg/thread/192085206#p192147474
I'm sometimes using a dark-infused follower javelin on my pyro build too. It's really satisfying when a javelin throw KOs something trying to back off for a sippy

massdebater
massdebater

@lostmypassword
Well shit, that's a lotta attunement or a bunch of attunement and some agility. Thanks.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@lostmypassword
Que?
I'm saying try not to devolve into shit-flinging, what are you on about?

takes2long
takes2long

@Snarelure
nobody did BTFO him though, just wined instead of actually giving any examples or counterpoints.
lmao ds3 is a ripoff and sux ds2 was much more fun and original
what about ornstein and adp and mobs of 20 large enemies and clunky controls and areas with ps1 graphics
not an argument lmao

every time

hairygrape
hairygrape

@happy_sad
Look up the poise breakpoints table in the OP

I did and don't really get it as I don't know if they mean when they list a weapon. Because different weapons deal deal poise damage and have poise health modifiers.

TechHater
TechHater

@Snarelure
him

Look, you come in here trying to shill the worst game in the series and then you whine when people don't hold it in the same high regard as you. Then you do it over and over and over again. And you convince yourself that everyone else in every single thread is just a pleb and that it's everyone else who is wrong and not you.

If you really want to circlejerk DaS2, go make a general thread specifically for that game. I'm sure all 3 of the DaS2 apologists will love it. You can keep to yourself without trying to shove your delusions down everyone else's throats

Snarelure
Snarelure

@massdebater
GFWL was a garbage system so I'm glad it's gone

@Emberburn
DaS1 has shit second half
Only shit compared to the first half really imo. Only Demon Ruins and Izalith are irredeemable garbage.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Lunatick
Well I didn't really need help but this boss is pretty fun. Going to solo it I guess

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@hairygrape
What do you mean? It lays this out clearly in the poise breakpoints section. To tank a 1HR1 from a UGS/Greataxe/CGS with a UGS you need 11.94 at max poise health and 29.55 at minimum, 22/37.60 for great hammers. For 2HR1s you need 32.26/45.81 for UGS-tier poise damage and 40/52 for great hammers.

Methshot
Methshot

@takes2long
i never even said that, i like a fair few of DS3's callbacks anyhow, demon ruins especially

@TechHater
that wasn't me you're replying too but holy fuck do you have a persecution complex.
How is saying i like an area the same thing as shilling?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@massdebater
Yeah, the gains from attunement are very miniscule, but it's still worth noting.

Honestly, Adaptability is the most important stat in the game. I always pump every soul I can get my hands on into adaptability and pump it up as much as possible so I get to 100 Agility by Lost Bastille. The game is fucking unplayable without it.

I remember playing DaS2 at launch, and this was back when there was a lot of speculation over how the stats worked. at the time, many people believed and told others that agility was a meme stat that was basically resistance, and only controllled estus sip speed. I originally played through without leveling agility. Worst mistake I ever made. It becomes a complete exercise in tedium and futility, having to play the game as a defensive turtle because your rolls don't line up with your i-frames at all, and every dodge doesn't actually dodge at all.

Even if you're doing a caster character, I'd STILL pump up adaptability and then just respec later to make it more efficient. It's the playability stat

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Methshot
i like ds2
i like ds3 demon ruins

makes perfect sense to me

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Methshot
Why are you still here? Go make /SOTFS general or something/. Veeky Forums is a containment board anyway, so why not have a containment thread for the containment thread of rthe containment board of /v/?

MPmaster
MPmaster

R8 my shitty dex ninja build.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Booteefool
What if I'm a big ol loser who wants to find the first greatshield he can and then never stop holding l1?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

1.DS2 scholar/Demons Souls
2. Bloodborne
3. DS1
4. DS3
5. DS2

post your own

likme
likme

@MPmaster
get intelligence to 15 for hidden body so you can go full on
teleports behind you
unsheathes katana
pssh nothin' personnel kid

TechHater
TechHater

@PackManBrainlure
1. ds1
2. ds2
never played any of the others bloodborne pc when

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@PackManBrainlure
1. DeS/DS1/BB/DS3
2. Shit
3. DS2 SOFTS
3. Super shit
4. DS2

w8t4u
w8t4u

@kizzmybutt
it was the only level in base game that wasn't drab as fuck, sue me

@Carnalpleasure
I don't know user, if the mere mention of the game triggers your autism so, why dont you go do it?

@PackManBrainlure
Demons
DS1
DS2 Scholar
Bloodborne
DS3
DS2

askme
askme

@Playboyize
I'm not sure where the first greatshield you will find will be. In general, it's a lose-lose scenario because you need to turtle if you have low adaptability because you can't dodge shit, but at the same time, turtling is heavily punishable in Dark Souls 2 because of the way stamina management works (and the "I lost all my stamina" animation lasts like 10 fucking hours with you wide open).

TechHater
TechHater

@PackManBrainlure
1.DS1
2.DS2
3.BB
4.DeS (only recently got it, haven't completed yet, but still liking it so far)
5.DS3

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@w8t4u
it was the only level in base game that wasn't drab as fuck, sue me
demon ruins is more drab than irithyll or adp

can't sue for retardation

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PackManBrainlure
DaS1
DeS
BB
DeS
[power gap]
DaS2

WebTool
WebTool

@Poker_Star
irithyll
do you mean the Dungeon or what, Irithyll was mostly grey with a few gold highlights, its a fun area mind but it doesn't look to good, imo anyhow.

Arch Dragon Peak
You got me there actually, Arch Dragon Peak is fucking great in all aspects bar Ancient Wyvern, even then its still pretty fun to combat him face to face

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@likme
I knew I was forgetting something.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

If you could remove an enemy from the game, what would it be? Thralls from ds3
@PackManBrainlure
1.DS1
2.DS2 DLC
3.DS3
4.DS2

bloodborne pc never ever

farquit
farquit

@WebTool
was mostly grey with a few gold highlights

are you talking about demon ruins?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Demons Ruins in DS3 was disappointing as hell. When I got to that area, I thought to myself "oh shit, maybe From will redeem the shitty job they did with demons ruins and lost izalith in the first game! Now we're get the true intended version of what izalith always should've been!"
...and then it's literally just Carthus 2: Electric Boogaloo: orange textures edition.

I also can't stand the level design. Oh yes, let's have this big lead-up to the giant Ballista and then when you finally reach the top and get to turn it off you get... nothing. No reward. Nothing is up here. And getting rid of the giant arrows raining down on you is also pointless because if you've reached that point, you've already reached the last bonfire right before the boss fog and you never need to run across the lake again anyway

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Crazy_Nice
the small rats in demons souls

@farquit
the lake/old demon king boss room actually

Really wish there was a mod to remove the filter honestly, it would make the game so much more repayable

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Methnerd
the lake/old demon king boss room actually
you mean this

looks pretty drab 2 me senpai

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Crazy_Nice
Thralls are fucking great though. Although I do take issue with them being in literally every single fucking area of the game, but whatever.

I'd remove those bullshit fire dogs from blighttown
I'd remove the sorcerers from shrine of amana
I'd remove the [autistic screeching] angels from the dreg heap

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Lunatick
well shit
i remember it being so much brighter when i last played

fuck it, cathedral of the deep then, that was good

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Crazy_Nice
If you could remove an enemy from the game, what would it be?

crystal lizards. they're just a fucking nuisance.

just give me a hard enemy that doesn't run away or despawn permanently that i have to kill to be rewarded. enough "dude le greedyman trap lmao" or "dude you were using a weapon that can't reliably hit tiny lizards so no reward for you" shit.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TurtleCat
stop changing your opinions when provided with evidence you're supposed to autistically scream and call me an anti-ds2 memer/ds3 apologist as is tradition

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evil_kitten
The crystal lizards didn't used to be so bad back in DeS/DaS1. I forget about 2, but in 3 especially basically every single crystal lizard is a trap to get greedy players to run blindly toward a group of enemies.

It's an interesting twist the first time crystal lizards are used as a trap, but when pretty much EVERY LIZARD IN THE GAME IS A TRAP, it's no longer interesting. It's tedious

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fuzzy_Logic
genuinely this is the first time i have really used these generals since the release of 3 and i never remember it being this bad

but here's your (ree)

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Carnalpleasure
Sure, whatever you say, resident DaS2 apologist
Geoff, I know it's you.
Geoff pls go.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@New_Cliche
(ree)

What?

TechHater
TechHater

@AwesomeTucker
go home and be a family man

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TechHater
you really have lost me here bud

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Sharpcharm
t.ultrashitter

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Sharpcharm
STAY STILL AND LET ME HIT YOU

askme
askme

@PackManBrainlure
t.ultrashitter

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@PackManBrainlure
1. DS1/BB
2. DS3
3. Scholar DS2
4. DeS
5. Slashy Souls
6. Release DS2

The reason I rate DeS so low here is because while it's atmosphere blows DS2 and honestly all games save for BB out of the water, objectively it's mechanics are a pile of jank and the fact that there is no optional content and within the DeS worlds you have to do everything in a very linear order hurts the overall experience.

I personally appreciate cohesion in the story and setting more than pure gameplay as long as the gameplay is at least ok but I can't ignore the DLC bosses / areas of Scholar.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Nude_Bikergirl
lmao no
zips behind you at the speed of sound
begins poking you and proccing stupid amounts of bleed

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Soft_member
daggers are fast
wtf
daggers are good at status effects
wtf

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Soft_member
scared of a dagger with a 2 inch range

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Ignoramus
bandit knife

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@w8t4u
it can outrange his dick, of course he's scared

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fried_Sushi
fuck you kid i got a 7 inch monster cock in these cargo shorts

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
[unzips primordial serpent]

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@whereismyname
[unzips Guts Memesword]

Flameblow
Flameblow

Welp I just learned something new. Evidently curved greatsword's can be parried. I figured since they weight so god damned much they must be like ultra's, but the jokes on me.

Playboyize
Playboyize

he plays as a strict pyromancer
he doesn't use a mixture of sorceries and miracles along with his pyromancies

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Playboyize
Post build? I can't normally think of a way of incorporating sorceries/miracles that's at all efficient, given the fact that any school of magic requires having two memerings to do any damage at all

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Playboyize
You are still around?
Get a life a piece of shit

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Lord_Tryzalot
i love how much this upsets you, genuinely, its top shit

WebTool
WebTool

@GoogleCat
I-I actually haven't done such a build yet.
But actually kinda wanna do it. but I know I'll just get memed on by anyone with a sword.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@RavySnake
F I N A L L Y
I
N
A
L
L
Y

Being the boss is too fun

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@PackManBrainlure
1. DS3
2. DS1
3. BB
Is-that-even-a-Souls-Game: DS2

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

land undead hunter charm against all odds
host just runs off for the duration
Invading is fun times. Thank goodness I can only hold five of these charms :^)

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Gigastrength
I hoped you choose the rope next time I visit this thread
Really sad that you live

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
DS2 is the SMB2 of Souls. Not a real souls game, but dressed up to appear like it.
It will forever be fangame-tier

iluvmen
iluvmen

How the fuck do i dodge the champ's shoulder bash?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Playboyize
user just stop responding, you're only bringing me satisfaction and yourself anguish.

Your autism is really off the rails.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@GoogleCat
@WebTool
I'm currently doing a pyro build and I can't really see much use for most offensive spells/miracles in PvP at least unless you use rings, but lots of stuff like the heals, frozen/dark/GMW I could see being helpful. Izalith staff with the dregs/deep soul does ok at least, but I could just use dark fire orb instead for dark damage. I mostly used the non pyromancies for clearing levels, like hidden body for plunging harald knights or the cure miracle for poison and stuff.

viagrandad
viagrandad

how are the dark souls comics out of interest?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize
he roleplays in a role playing game
he creates characters based on themes instead of just using anything

dummy

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@iluvmen
You literally have to just assume it's coming out and dodge ahead of time. The wind-up is so short it beats a normal man's reaction time. You either predict or you keep doing the fight until you get lucky with the RNG and he decides not to fuck you over with that move at key points.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Fried_Sushi
What is edgier: twin katanas or twin scythes?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

watching enb
he names his new ds3 character lalatina
enb also known as marcus is just a fotm fagger

dropped

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@whereismyname
Both at the same time.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@viagrandad
how are the dark souls comics out of interest?
boob armor
angry solaire sun face

that's all you need to know

idontknow
idontknow

i need souls. would a bumrush through NG+ be more souls than camping outside twin princes for summons? i think so

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I want to ask a favor, /dsg/. I want to do a full play through of ds3 with a theme, the theme is I want to cosplay Hodrick. Thing is you don't get his armor till mid to late game. Can any kind user drop me the full sunset set, the shield and a flamberg? I would be most appreciative. I wouldn't hate it if you gave me a havel's ring too, just so I can equip it all. I'm on pc.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@viagrandad
The official ones are garbage. Check out Lordran and Beyond for some high quality Souls short stories.

@StrangeWizard
New DS3 character?
You mean that playthrough he did this summer or did he start a new one after DeS?

if he started a new playthtough I hope he plays on the Xbox so I can co-op with him

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@viagrandad
This meme image made from a page of them is the only worthwhile thing to come out of those comics. I might storytime them fro /dsg/ sometime since the general's been in a real slump lately and we could use some 'fun.'

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BlogWobbles
If I dropped the items to you and then reloaded a save backup, that wouldn't trip any cheating shit, right?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@hairygrape
fuck of notorious e. n. b. no one wants to play with your enemy skipping fotm waifuin' casual ass

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Bidwell
you would be banished instantly and a team would teleport directly to your house to beat the shit out of you

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Bidwell
No, backups don't trigger the anti-cheat.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Gigastrength
@JunkTop
Alrighty then, just give me a sec to loot the shield from the graveyard

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
that sounds unintentionally hilarious
@hairygrape
will do thanks
@Crazy_Nice
oh fuck, frowny solaire sure is something

please do though, only one i did read was the DS2 one, which i liked in spite of its shortness, met the artist too.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
Awesome. I am at high wall, password is dsg. Thanks for doing this user, I've been wanting to do a cosplay play through for a while, and Hodrick is a cool dude.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@lostmypassword
Getting summoned as a spear

RumChicken
RumChicken

@hairygrape
Check out Lordran and Beyond for some high quality Souls short stories.
It's actually shit, too

Lunatick
Lunatick

@lostmypassword
So how many decades did it take?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SniperGod
No prob, sign is down by the bonfire

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Inmate
please do though, only one i did read was the DS2 one, which i liked in spite of its shortness, met the artist too.

I might sometime, can't today because I'd need to actually find good torrents for those comics and set up some time for them because there are a fuckload of them. I don't know the rules for storytimes of comics outside /co/ though so I might just post it there whenever I do with a link to the thread posted here.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@whereismyname
twin katanas
Not a katana, Maria's weapon is a Saber in one hand and a knife in the other hand.

@BlogWobbles
enemy skipping
He only really does that if the encounter is bullshit like the harald knights in the Ringed City corridor. Did you even watch his DS3 playthrough properly? If an enemy could possibly be parried he not only parried it but he did so beyond the call of duty. He spent something like 30 minutes going back to a single enemy in AoA so he could prove people that he can parry the knight.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

why is dx11 ds2 so much prettier than dx9 ds2 goddamn
and why wasn't this included in vanilla what the fuck

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Raving_Cute
all good user, though i was looking and could only fin torrents for two for them though, 2 and angry solaire, may not be worth your time

askme
askme

@DeathDog
Thank you user, I will do you proud and get that dark soul in the name of Hodrick.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@askme
Fear not the dark my friend, and let the memes begin

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Snarelure
Saber and knife
Farron greatsword fits the bill

TreeEater
TreeEater

@MPmaster
barely more than 27 Vigor
15 Attunement
not even 40 Dexterity, even with Milkring
Shit/10

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

invading pontiff
me and this red team up against the host and his 2 summons
after a long annoying fight we kill them both and corner the host
red starts using a spell with a really long wind up right in front of me with half hp
I'm a purple phantom
I just couldn't help myself

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lunatick
Only a few days when i had spare time. I guess everyone does the dlc's at around my level, 95 +10

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How the hell does Dead Again work and why won't this shit work in dickwraith invasions right?

massdebater
massdebater

@RavySnake
Tfw I just found out what the halberd 2HR2 is for

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@VisualMaster
Dead Again in Dark Souls 3 activates only on enemies that leave ragdolls behind. It also only works when you are able to 'interact' with those enemies meaning it doesn't work at all if you're an invader unless the host has a Seed active. It's complete garbage even in a situation where you can use it however as it requires far more planning and setup to use then is worth against any regular mob or player and does shit for damage unless you stack RTSR/Morion Blade bonuses.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@VisualMaster
I haven't seen it in ds3 but I remember in ds2 it does a shitload of damage, it makes explosions off of persisting enemy corpses. Problem is most enemies dissolve into ash so it won't work

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat
Well that's disappointing. I like to play stealthily and was hoping to surprise the host with booby trapped bodies

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sharpcharm
Did you at least kill the host afterwards?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@LuckyDusty
I like to play stealthily
Trying to do something other than mash R1 in DaS3
Actually touching magic in DaS3
You knew how that would end

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Flameblow
What was so better about magic in ds1 and ds2?

girlDog
girlDog

@Flameblow
Actually I've discovered Witch's Locks meta. Move over R1 spam. Say hello to L2 spam.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Fuzzy_Logic
Dark Souls 1
Dark bead and pursuers, as easily avoidable as they were, would straight oneshot most players and could be effective if you catch the host at a bad time.

Dark Souls 2
Dark 2 had a fuckton of spells that could be combo'd in creative ways, and you could purchase spell restoring herbs infinitely, allowing you to cast for an entire invasion. On top of that, the way parrying worked in Dark Souls 2 benefited mages more than anyone else:
Cast bait spell
Parry enemy rolling/running attack with monastery meme
Climax while they're on the ground, helpless, they die instantly
Etc. Dark Souls 2 was the best game to be a mage in before they nerfed every spell to shit.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Bidwell
Dark bead and pursuers, as easily avoidable as they were
dark bead
pursuers
easily avoidable

We called them laggy beads for a reason, user. The whole strategy of sorcery in PVP was to take advantage of mcdonalds wifi lag to completely wreck people.

Don't even get me started on the TWoP+Pursuers int/faith builds that existed

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Fuzzy_Logic
People love casting in DaS2 because:

1. It doesn't require you to hard-lock two ring slots in order to do damage.

2. It doesn't require you to either level a completely unrelated stat or hard-lock a third ring slot to get not-shit casting speed.

3. There was actual variety and mix-ups you could do.

4. There were ways to replenish casts that didn't involve reducing the amount of Estus you had on you.

And in DaS1 it just outright did a shitload of damage as long as you invested properly.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Bidwell
Yeah but a build relying on lag isn't exactly dependable.

I forgot to mention that in DaS1 spellcasters had MLGS which was actually not shitty in that game.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@VisualMaster
You also didn't need to level int to fucking 60 for decent damage output. IIRC everyone stopped at 44 or whatever it was for logan's staff

Supergrass
Supergrass

@VisualMaster
Yeah, Dark 2 did a lot of things wrong but spellcasting was the one thing Miyazaki really should have taken note of.

How many of the spells in Dark 2 didn't make it into 3? I know the slow homing arrows didn't, as well as based Soul Vortex.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Methnerd
ultra greatsword fits the bill of a small curved sword

huh...

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@VisualMaster
I loved sorcery in 2 specifically because the massive variety of spells and the attunement system combined to make a very nice system with a lot of strategic and tactical depth.

girlDog
girlDog

@Supergrass
How many of the spells in Dark 2 didn't make it into 3? I know the slow homing arrows didn't

(Great) Deep Soul are basically those spells anyway and are one of the best spells in terms of spammability so in essence they got carried over. The only real losses in terms of spells are Heavenly Thunder, Focus Souls, Soul Vortex and a shitload of hexes like Scraps of Life or even the most basic dark spells since Artorias of the Abyss like Dark Bead and Dark Fog.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

try to invade on an SL100 character in pontiff area
nothing
run around embered in pontiff area at SL120
tons of invasions

why is this?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@girlDog
Focus Souls
Ah, the based anti backstab spell.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RumChicken
There was that too. Either you leveled to 40 to get acceptable elemental damage output on a spellsword build, or 50 for maximum results and the best casting tool (Staff of Wisdom and Dragon Chime required 50 in their respective areas). Having Pyros scale off of the total of Int/Fai also meant you could sub-class in it whether you were a Sorcerer, Cleric or Hexer.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@VisualMaster
because there are more people at sl120 in that area

Supergrass
Supergrass

@girlDog
I really hate how gimped dark magic is. Hexes were ridiculously overpowered bullshit in DaS2, but DaS3 just has a total lack of variety if you actually want to go the dark magic route

Inmate
Inmate

@Nojokur
I kinda want to go cast some fucking spells in Dark Souls 2 desu

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Inmate
As much as I hate DaS2 for all its faults, the one thing it did right was making playing as a pure mage actually fun. Only game I've actually done it in. It was a little tedious at the very beginning, but once you got lightning spears, it was GG no RE. And then later on when you get dark magic and then get catalysts that can cast basically everything, the whole game becomes a joke

Of course, that was at launch and I heard they nerfed the fuck out of lightning spears for some reason. They're not even viable in PVP.

WebTool
WebTool

@Nojokur
I heard they nerfed the fuck out of lightning spears for some reason.
They nerfed everything for some reason. Tanimura and friends were apparently really super susceptible to criticism and would knee-jerk nerf anything people began to complain about.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Nojokur
the one thing it did right was making playing as a pure mage actually fun
unless you went faith because fuck you miracles aren't allowed

RavySnake
RavySnake

@WebTool
Tanimura and friends were apparently really super susceptible to criticism and would knee-jerk nerf anything people began to complain about.

Except the Chaos Blade :^)

DeathDog
DeathDog

@JunkTop
Like I said,I played DaS2 at launch. I know it was nerfed to shit later on with lmao3casts and shit.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

mfw invading profaned capital and ambush-killing host JUST as he gets to Siegward's cramped cell and starts talking to him

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP FAMALAM
Sorry bro, gotta travel back through the swamp now

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@RavySnake
Can't nerf katanas, it would injure Japanese Pride. Also Chaos Blade was the only really good dexterity weapon (Even though it was usually dark infused) if it got nerfed DEX players would be stuck with just regular katanas and rapiers.

In hindsight Dark 2 was to Dexterity what Dark 1 was to Strength.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Gigastrength
Can't nerf katanas, it would injure Japanese Pride
I honestly think this is the actual reason why katana weebshit is so fucking OP in every single goddamn game.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Gigastrength
Also Chaos Blade was the only really good dexterity weapon

What is Blacksteel Katana, Fume Sword, Loyce Greatsword, Key to the Embedded, Ice Rapier and Notched Whip

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
It is. Katanas are the single most reliable weapon type in the Souls series. They are good in every game and are never nerfed. Even in Bloodborne there was a katana that was pretty solid.

The worst part is that they clash so fucking hard with the game's settings and aesthetics every time, but none as much as Bloodborne.
Victorian setting with werewolves and vampires
There's a katana too though fuck you vampires are actually weeaboos.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Lunatick
I'll give you the fume sword and meme rapier but the rest of those are pretty average, and the Blacksteel is just outright worse than the Chaos Blade. Even if CB got nerfed I doubt people would use the Blacksteel

Emberburn
Emberburn

@New_Cliche
Blacksteel is pretty great, arguably worse than the CB because of worse damage but its R2s that true combo are great. Now Manslayer is comparable to the Chaos Blade if anything because of its barely worse damage and huge innate poison considering the CBs innate self-damage.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Gigastrength
Not quite true. In DaS3, running R1s were nerfed, 2kat got nerfed, and overall straight swords are still more powerful than katanas.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TreeEater
Yeah but katanas are still reliable, I never said they were always the best, but whenever you go into a Souls title you know the second you pick up a katana you're set for an easy game if that's what you like using.

I remember getting the Iaito for the first time in Dark Souls and being baffled at how much better its R2 was than almost every other weapon, and it did more damage than every other dexterity weapon I could find too, other than the other katanas.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Gigastrength
Same here. Ended up picking up the Uchi on my first playthrough of DaS1 because I just thought the undead burg merchant was another hostile hollow and killed him for the drop. ended up carrying me through the game. Quick moveset, zero recovery, etc

RumChicken
RumChicken

@JunkTop
dragons chime heavenly thunder + wrath of the gods
bad
at higher end Sm heavenly thunder was everywhere and strong

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RumChicken
wog
isn't that shit only available at either ng+2 or after a shitton of blueberrying

5mileys
5mileys

Would Dark Souls 2 have been PVP Kino if Soul Memory hadn't existed?

farquit
farquit

@5mileys
That, and if there were proper full Red and Blue Eye Orbs.

And if roll i-frames were a function of equip load % instead of Adaptability.

And if Endurance didn't soft-cap at 20 for some retarded reason.

And if Dex wasn't effectively a full letter grade inferior to Strength at equal amounts of investment.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@farquit
And if Dex wasn't effectively a full letter grade inferior to Strength at equal amounts of investment.
This makes sense though. STR weapons were slow as fuck and needed a fuck ton of damage on their weapons to compensate. Otherwise you get Dark Souls 1 cancer where STR is unusable shit that doesn't have damage that justifies the shit moveset and DEX/Quality rules.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

How many levels is it total you get for hollowing in ds3? Is it 5 or 6?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Is aquamarine dagger really bad? I think it looks cool, probably because im an edgelord

Evilember
Evilember

@5mileys
Short answer: no, that wouldn't be enough.
They'd need to
get rid of soul memory
bring back full eye orbs as covenant rewards
change the shitty sluggish controls/animations/etc
get rid of adaptability

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PurpleCharger
5 free levels from Yoel, 15 Hollowing to go Beef Jerky Mode.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Gigastrength
There's literally only two characters in the entire game that use "katanas" and the majority of Cainhurst knights use rapiers / blowguns.

Further, it would actually be more believable for someone belonging to a member of a faux-british victorian era nobility to be in possession of such weaponry due to how the british empire had a lot of colonies and trade overseas.

And lastly the Chikage's crossguard is not like that found on a katana, making it more like a katana/saber hybrid.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Booteefool
its pretty good if you're crafty with it. plus it goes well with an int/dex build (friede's scythe)

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evilember
But then which Souls game is the most pvp kino?

Inmate
Inmate

@Booteefool
It's a rare case of great in PvP because of the incredibly diverse and fast moveset and meh in PvE because of low base damage and there being better daggers for raw damage. Murky Hand Scythe from the DLC has an edge over it because of its insane raw damage output for a dagger but AMD is one of the funnest and high-skill weapons in the game.

likme
likme

Send help, the Matrix is glitching. No agent's pls.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spamalot
Nice, always good to be precise.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Deadlyinx
Yeah I'm currently running it with a rapier, because I never used one. I'll check out the friede's thing, I just haven't beaten the DLC yet.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Playboyize
Nobody hated dexfags more than me in DaS1. That said, I don't think Strength's shittiness in that game was a function innately of how the scaling worked. The problem was simply that there was very little selection to pick from for a strength build. And the options available were all ridiculously heavy like the demon weapons. Strength in DaS1 could've been easily fixed by simply having more strength weapon variety instead of only having great hammers/axes and a tiny subset of reject-tier bastardizations of quality weapons

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Skullbone
none of them are good.

ds1 le backstab poise flippy
ds2 everything is shit
ds3 le r1 r1 r1 rollolololololol also it's 1v3

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Soft_member
fair enough mate. i personally love the aqua marine dagger but its not easymode or anything

Skullbone
Skullbone

On Demon Souls, is STR big boi weapons supposed to be easier than dexfag? Restarted playing it again today, on my first character I think I quit at Valley of Defilement at the swamp where some faggot npc invader(?) kept pushing my shit in or something.

When I made my second character(currently on third) I had much trouble using smaller weapons instead of going bastard sword+broadsword from the start. Then again, I always loved STR in all souls games over dex anyways, so maybe I'm biased?

Dragon Bone Smasher is fucking GOAT imo

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Skullbone
I unironically think DaS1's was best. Not that it was "good" because believe me it had a ton of problems, but I found it the most fun.

DaS2 I just found tedious, especially for the reasons listed before. And too much emphasis on dueling in the arenas, when I like to invade.
DaS3 is... complete garbage in terms of PVP. Simplified R1 spam and estus chug ganks. Easily the worst PVP. But hey, at least the controls are good unlikeDaS2...
DaS1 isn't balanced at all, but it was also before the developed decided to go super serious with the duel shit. It was the best for doing dickwraith invasions IMO. Not balanced at all for meta stuff, but whatever.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Anyone want to be a bro and drop me some rings? Just the usual suspects, prisoners, fap+3, Havels 3 and life 3. On pc.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@likme
Implying he's not an agent with those lightning fast reflexes and huge damage

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@lostmypassword
Exactly what im looking for. The game was too ez with strength yhorms great axe.

Methshot
Methshot

I'd like to invade with the crucifix of the absolute madman @ crucifixion woods for the sake of theming, but I also don't wanna look like a twink shitter

any recommendations for a build? is level 25 fine for maybe a watchdog invader?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Skullbone
Yup, Strength is king in Demons Souls. Then Dark Souls came out and completely fucking nerfed strength weapons to shit.

The reason is because they have high damage, excellent hyperarmor (read: a non-retarded version of DaS3's "poise" system), and the weapons had good moveset variety. You also didn't have to worry about equip load because you could fast roll up to 50% and armor was basically cosmetic anyway.

I smashed my way through that game with the Meat Cleaver and Dragon Bone Smash. All fucking day, baby.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@New_Cliche
So. In DaS3 you need to go all the way into 2 dlcs and kill the last boss to get miracles. On top of that you have to give up heals to cast more spells.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Mac is gay

Methshot
Methshot

@Methshot
You're going to look like a twink shitter regardless, but that's okay because the crux is just an okay weapon at lower SLs, and weapons which rely that hard on buffs for their big damage output aren't so great in invasion anyway. Don't get me wrong, still a great weapon, but unless you have a meta level build based around it, it's not broken.

25-30 for Crux Wood is fine.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Snarelure
no u

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure
Mac is gay
cute mac or thicc mac?

asking for a friend

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Methshot
Nigga do you even have a twink for woods? 30 is pretty high for that area and crux is insanely broken even at low levels because of the weapon art, damage(pine resin), and moveset.

Yall niggas just be posting random shit without no experience on the subject

Booteefool
Booteefool

Would this be a good/interesting build? (spells probably will change)

I want to do faith, but the farron sorcercies look like so much fun, so would 60 faith + 20 int mixing them with miracles (using the archdeacon's staff) be good? Or am I spreading my stats way too thin?

FastChef
FastChef

@Booteefool
I was also thinking of doing something really different, like man-grub luck sorc.

Can anyone gimme some suggestions/tips? thanks

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Booteefool
literally no Vigor
K***ht class
no spell-boosting rings
People will laugh at you, and then two-shot you.

@FastChef
Shave Luck down to 35 and let the Hollow main-hand bump you up to 40. Then drop Attunement down to 18 and look up Endurance break-points while making your Vigor not shit.

Soulmass only has 3 orbs at 23 Int, if you're going to do that shit then may as well bump it up to 24 Int.

massdebater
massdebater

@Booteefool
Build is alright but dump the VIT and put it into Vigor since you're way below 70% anyway for that armor. Dump Great Magic Weapon too since it will only scale with INT still even with the Archdeacon/Golden Ritual staves making it barely better than Pale Pine Resin if at all. I'd recommend putting Soul Greatsword in there since you're at the INT for it and it's one of the best spells you can use.

@FastChef
LCK/INT with Man-Grub is far worse since Man-Grub's effective spell buff is very low even with 40 luck. If you want to use Anri's SS go Luck/Faith with that and Ethereal Oak Shield and a few regen miracles to become the most awful regen build to fight since Demon's Souls.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Booteefool
125

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@PackManBrainlure
Whenever I see someone doing SL125, all I can think is "oh okay, so you're a tryhard faggot trying to top off with an extra 5 levels"

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Deadlyinx
yeah, so what

MPmaster
MPmaster

@massdebater
@viagrandad
Yeah, I shoulda known some of those spells would be shit without int, and shame about the man-grub staff, its so aesthetic.

But I just checked the fextra, and it says the grub staff has like ~197 spellbuff at 40 luck, but at 60 int the court sorcerer is like 220. Is that 20 difference (just a comparison) really that big for damage?

TechHater
TechHater

@Deadlyinx
It's so dumb because the build is terrible all around and he started with a bad class but they scream "caster need 125"

RavySnake
RavySnake

@PackManBrainlure
@Deadlyinx
is really those 5 extra levels that triggering? it really cant even hurt pvp matchups that much can it?
@TechHater
well for the mugen recommendation knight was the best stat wise to start with

takes2long
takes2long

@MPmaster
Who cares about 20 damage. Go have fun.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@MPmaster
Check the numbers yourself and judge if it's worth.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RavySnake
is really those 5 extra levels that triggering? it really cant even hurt pvp matchups that much can it?

Yes because people who are even bigger faggots than you will start going 130. Then some when faggier will start going 135...

Just stop being gay.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@MPmaster
A Man-grub's Staff at 40 Luck is equal to or better than most staves at 50 Int for casting regular Sorceries. The problem is that most of the good Sorceries only become available long past the 18 Int base requirements.

You'll never be as good at casting as an actual 60 Int sorcerer, the purpose is to give yourself spells that hit respectably hard on a build that has minimal investment into caster stats.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@RavySnake
it really cant even hurt pvp matchups that much can it?
If your goal is to go as high as possible while still being able to match up with people at the de facto standard PVP level, then that makes you a shitter and a tryhard faggot.

is really those 5 extra levels that triggering?
And what if I only go 5 extra above your build? Is SL130 all that triggering? What If I only go an extra 5 above that to SL135? Is that triggering? Come on man, it's just another 5 levels, man.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@TurtleCat
hmm so like 40-50 luck w/man-grubs would probably be around ~120 less damage or something.
@BinaryMan
That's why I figured stuff like the farron sorceries (darts/sword), soul greatsword, etc would still be good since they are not like super high damage but faster spells

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Deadlyinx
@eGremlin
@RavySnake
tfw most of your characters are 125 because I forgot to get the untrue dark ring in NG and are too much of a pussy to bother someone for a transfer
the ones that are 120 are the ones i remembered to buy it
das3 really annoys me with how tedious each run is for me to make a meme character at the meta level. I always fuck something up on ng

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BinaryMan
well that aside, what's hollow weapon scaling like? Is the softcap for luck scaling on hollow weapons 40 or is it higher?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evil_kitten
sure buddy you're only an over leveled shitter because you wanted a ring that is easily duped and muled over

eGremlin
eGremlin

Which one of you homos is named Sam Hyde and co-oping in Profaned Capital?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@New_Cliche
The softcap is 40, but on 40 Luck alone for most weapons you're going to be below the standard 40/40 quality build for refined weapons. You need about 40 Dex and at least 27 STR to outdamage Refined builds, and even then dedicated Heavy/Sharp builds will still outpace Hollow damage by a decent amount with equal or lesser level investment.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Bidwell
@eGremlin
This is what happened in bbg. Most of them are all 150 now lol

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spazyfool
I thought bbgs meta was 98 because they didn't want to play with 120s while 150 was the reddit meta since they just took twitch shitters DS2 meta to BB.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Fuzzy_Logic
Is there any other strength to luck besides Anri's and the hollow infusion? Bleed is luck based, isnt it?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@RavySnake
like i wouldn't just go to 200 if I wanted to be an over leveled shitter like i did in das2

askme
askme

@iluvmen
Only reason DaS2 meta was 150 though was because you had to waste a bunch of extra points pumping up agility to get the game in a working state...

RavySnake
RavySnake

@iluvmen
the meta is actually 98-105, most people screech at anything past 98 and most people are generous until you pass BL 110, after that you're called a shitter by everyone except those who play at BL 110+

cum2soon
cum2soon

@iluvmen
was 98
It was. Some are now 117 to have an advantage over 98 i think and most are 150 to have an advantage over 117.

Dsg seems to be heading down the same path as bbg now

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Snarelure
The only weapon that scales high with Luck in hollow infusion is Astora's Straight Sword because for some reason a few patches back From decided the straight sword that had no value before save as a high damage Raw weapon before it was nerfed had to become the only weapon to scale high with Luck on Hollow/Bleed/Poison infusions but it doesn't fucking matter anyway because it'll still be a worse straight sword than all the best ones anyway.

Bleed and Poison do scale off Luck but not to a significant amount. The nerfs to Carthus Rouge and innate bleed in general were crippling compared to the scaling Luck gives meaning you have to sacrifice a lot of damage just for higher proc chances people can just roll through for Bleed or ignore for Poison because it's damage ticks are still shit. Blood infused weapons do however inflict an extra 200 damage when Bleed is inflicted but actually getting that is arguably not worth it compared to just going pure Dex and just killing your opponent without waiting for Bleed procs with higher damage.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Bidwell
Well how would anyone know if your above by 5 levels anyways? Also wasn't ds1's meta level 125? Besides, wow, assuming you are in fact level 135, would that really give a huge advantage? I would think personal skill makes up for that.
@askme
I only ever left adaptability at the default 12 as merchant and I never had any issues as str/faith, but then again agi is boosted with att right? I thought the meta level rise because 120-125 fucked over anyone that wasn't a rob Flynn dex build

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Spazyfool
trying to get inspiration for new build ideas
go on youtube to check out some builds
sup youtube, its ya boy here with another session of dark souls PVP
today I'm coming to you with a pretty good strength/faith build
SL187
haha yeah guys maybe I put a few extra levels in but it's a really good build guys

w8t4u
w8t4u

DS1
want to help people fight bosses
everyone keeps picking another guy's sign instead of mine
I CAN HELP TOO

JunkTop
JunkTop

@iluvmen
half of dsg uses cheat engine to scout peoples stats

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@askme
Only reason DaS2 meta was 150 though was because you had to waste a bunch of extra points pumping up agility to get the game in a working state

No it's because dumb Soulbrandt shitters looked at the games stats and tried to apply Dark Souls 1 stat logic to it without understanding 2 is a completely different game and bumped the meta up to an artificial level that only autistic people followed. Based on the natural point where increasing your Soul Level got exponentially more expensive and the stats needed to really complete a build that wasn't RoBFlynn shit 200 was the most sensible meta for 2.

farquit
farquit

@iluvmen
People decided on SL150 from the very beginning because the addition of agility and the splitting of endurance into endurance and vitality meant that extra levels were needed to get the same effect as with dark souls 1.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Booteefool
@FastChef
What is the obsession with these "unique special snowflake" builds? Why do you guys care about being so different at the cost of inferior builds?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@askme
And even that was way too low because it never accounted for the Vitality-Endurance split, the Endurance soft-cap being literally 20, etc.

Levels in DaS2 were super cheap up until SL200. It's as if the dev team was trying to tell us something.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@iluvmen
Besides, wow, assuming you are in fact level 135, would that really give a huge advantage?
wow, just wow. If, like, having 15 levels extra doesn't actually make a difference, then there's, like, no reason you should ever have those extra levels, wow man

you're not exactly proving our assumptions of SL125 faggots wrong. You're doing a better job proving my point than I could ever do myself

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@farquit
End and Vit are still split in 3, so why isn't It at 150 here? Is it because hyper armor making up for poise on heavy armor for big weapon users?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
not really an obsession, was trying to think of something different since I always do quality. I guess Ill have to refine my ideas a bit more...

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Carnalpleasure
Why do you post about your sl 200 meta everyday? You keep samefagging this everyday. Please stop.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Sir_Gallonhead
Because 3 has lower softcaps for everything in general save casters needing 60 in their specific stat, midroll is basically fastroll so there's almost no need to level up VIT save for STR builds who have points to spare for it, and stamina replenishes so fast most builds can work with 26-34 easily. That and there's no Agility stat to worry about.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@iluvmen
would that really give a huge advantage? I would think personal skill makes up for that.

If it doesn't matter why go to 125 instead of 120?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
Aren't the softcaps the same as in 2? Aside from needing 60 faith or int. Rolling is mostly the same too, but I guess stamina regen being faster makes sense for endurance being lower.
@Spazyfool
Only in the case of some non standard build like that archdeacon staff one from earlier that spreads itself thin so the small bonus could help reach some requirements for a spell or something.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@hairygrape
pretty sure i can make that same build at 120

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@ZeroReborn
Probably trimming a little off of end right? 25 isn't too bad I would imagine

happy_sad
happy_sad

@hairygrape
Aren't the softcaps the same as in 2?

Not really. HP caps comfortably at 39-44 Vigor with almost no reason to go up to 50. Endurance and Vitality I already covered. STR and Dex both have initial softcaps at 40 and then go up to 60/66 and up to 80 for the latter in exchange for minimal investment in the other stat depending on what build you're doing. Luck can be ignored safely unless you are doing a build for it. Attunement also has almost no reason to go beyond 18-24 on a caster for FP purposes unless you just want more spell slots. Rolling is also most certainly not the same with how many i-frames and movement you have at 69% in 3 compared to 2.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Skullbone
two posts 30 seconds apart is samefagging

Look at the basic math, if you even understand math in the first place.

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/level
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Level

The leveling up cost takes a massive spike once you hit SL200, where the gap per level jumps up from around 300-500 per level, to 2k per level. And even then the cost of a level-up is still only roughly how much you'd pay to go from SL90 to SL91 in DaS3.

It's pretty fucking obvious that the developers intended for people to see leveling up as cheap and viable all the way up to SL200.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fried_Sushi
@Carnalpleasure
muh SL200

top fucking kek, I'd rather not face a bunch of mundane dual havelyn wielders. Just because leveling gets more expensive after around that arbitrary point doesn't mean it's conducive to having build variety

Methshot
Methshot

@happy_sad
Thanks, I appreciate the info.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@AwesomeTucker
You still say this same post every day. You keep posting this and no one cares
Please stop

idontknow
idontknow

@AwesomeTucker
That's not an argument for why the meta should've been SL200. That doesn't mean jack fucking shit.

If Dark Souls 1 had a weird point of diminishing returns for leveling up at SL300, would you deem this to be the superior level for builds to go to? No, of course not. That makes no sense. Likewise, having DaS2 SL200 meta means having a bunch of bullshit omni-builds that completely defeats the whole purpose of having different builds at all

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Just finished my first Dark Souls 2 playthrough and immediately uninstalled. There goes forty-five hours of my life.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SniperGod
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls2/68432

b-but user, I need my quality+hex omni-build

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Ignoramus
Why uninstall the best Soulsbourne game

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Need_TLC
I got a better build for you
SL 838

Soft_member
Soft_member

@idontknow
But omni caster more variety in builds and more fun.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I don't have a dog in this fight, but didn't the level 200 meta come from pre-agape ring vanilla to hedge against all the buttface havels while not having to farm for literal hours?

Or was it because casting was ass without 50 att and people wanted to have some hp and weapons as well?

I don't remember.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Poker_Star
not 387

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@kizzmybutt
On the right track, but you're putting the cart before the horse. The "meta" ended up being fags at SL200 simply because you couldn't cap your SM and people might as well use their souls towards leveling if it counts against them anyway, and SL200 ended up being where people ended up sticking not because they planned on SL200, but because it's simply the point where the souls you'd collect would stop allowing you to level up frequently. It was a result of not having the agape ring.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Has anyone ever experieced a glitch in dark souls 1 where you invade yourself? I somehow did it in anor londo and all of the bosses died instantly, I even got their death cutscenes

Inmate
Inmate

@Playboyize
sometimes i like to invade myself but it takes a bit of stretching and even then

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Playboyize
40 att and 7 ringslots
Teach me, buildmaster

Snarelure
Snarelure

@BinaryMan
he doesn't use 7 ring slots
fucking shitter

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

What is the optimal amount of autism required to enjoy a Soulsborne game?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@CouchChiller
the less the better

get good first, stats are a tool and not a crutch

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure
he hasn't found and killed the secret boss that doubles your ringslots and activates poise
this long after release
lol?
@Playboyize
I remember once invading and then a cutscene playing of myself, as a red, challenging Gwyndolin for whatever reason. Iirc I got sent back after that
@CouchChiller
Depends on the game. I'd say 2 needs the most and 3 the least in that in 3 you don't really need to know any of the inner workings and you can just grab a weapon and spam most things to death while ds2 generally requires you to have some knowledge and plan ahead

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Looking mainly to phantom end game PvE. Stone Protection or Life Ring +3?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
tfw they will never activate poise

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stark_Naked
Is that Havel's version of steel protection? I'd say RoSP

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CouchChiller
Creating comprehensive background stories about your character to explain why they wear their specific fashions and wield such weapons.
This helps prevent minmaxing, ugly pieced together fashions, or using the same weapon every playthrough.

It's basically the only way I can be bothered to play through these games more than 3 times.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Anyone got any improvements for this build? I wanted to be able to invade Cathedral of the deep and was thinking putting carthus rouge on these for bleeding. Also I do not want to use Dragonslayer Axe Raw, I find it incredibly boring.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Burnblaze
4th slot
no ring

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Burnblaze
SL37 is pretty high, you'll only be getting people who come back after beating Abyss Watchers and Wolnir. SL30+3 is much more generous.

You can shave Endurance down to 23 and Vigor down to 27, then strap on K***ht's and/or Hunter's for more offensive stats. At SL30 nobody's going to have the AR to two-shot someone at 1000 HP.

Spamalot
Spamalot

*blocks your path*
What do?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@SomethingNew
Do you know if the Carthus Rouge on those weapons will be any good? I heard bleed got nerfed.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Spamalot
mock him for his lack of red balloons

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Spamalot
SL25
poison
Dark Hand
stealth stuff
That's just cruel, user.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Spamalot
What do?
ghru dagger

Lmfao, enjoy getting parried and one shot, kid.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberfire
Bleed is worthless in PvP now, its only use is against bosses.

You are literally better off going with a Poison build, all the more so since most shitters won't have Purple Moss equipped. Poison is better off at lower levels since most players' HP won't be high enough to just shrug it off.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@RumChicken
I was planning on using both. So there is no point in putting carthus rouge on flamberge?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Spazyfool
For low level maybe if you want to put pressure on people shield turtling but in general you'll just want to put on Pale or Human pine resin instead.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Spazyfool
Against shitters who are actually newbies and don't know how to counter Bleed, it's good. But in invasions you can't always pick and choose the best times to buff your weapon, plus there's the odds that you'll encounter guys making a new build and actually know what they're doing.

On the up side, there's two sources of Bleed in Cathedral, so they can help you along if you can ambush enemies in the right areas.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@RumChicken
Speak for yourself, I use Blood infused Warden Twinblades with like 40 Luck and get bleedouts every match.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sir_Gallonhead
every match
And this is why your advice is being ignored in this case. The man is doing a low-level invasion build, not a SL120 duelfaggotry build. What applies for you does not apply for him.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Evil_kitten
I mean, if it's viable at 120 then I don't see why they wouldn't be good in low level invasions. In fact they'd probably be even better since low level characters have less Bleed resistance.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Need_TLC
Mainly because invasions involve more than just "Final Destination 1 Stock no items 3 min time limit" shenanigans. He'll likely be invading into a guy with at least one buttbuddy and blueberry reinforcements, on uneven terrain, so he'll rarely be able to put on the pressure required to actually proc a bleed. Certainly, he can get lucky if a Grave Warden jumps on a target at the same time as him, or a shitter gets covered in leeches, but a good invader does not rely solely on such things to get a kill.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Spazyfool
You know what, that's fair. Still, I think a pair of Blood Warden Twinblades would be pretty good to keep on hand to put some pressure on people, but probably shouldn't be your main weapon in an invasion scenario.

askme
askme

@Need_TLC
@Spazyfool
Looking at this objectively at lower levels you'll be able to apply bleed more likely on individual hosts due to lack of red moss and most hosts being idiots who will fall for wombo combos. However the damage loss from using a blood infused weapon at lower levels will not be worth as it's very severe before +10 and good damage stats, plus there's the issue of phantoms. In an invasion scenario your main goal is applying as much DPS as possible to the individual host or phantoms to remove one threat at a time which bleed can be inconsistent at in bad scenarios. Personally I'd use Sellsword Twinblades instead since that's more DPS with similar combos along with the great curved sword speed that makes hit and run attacks in invasions great.

Techpill
Techpill

holy shit bort's team is fucking lit
it's a shame he dies so goddamn fast

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Techpill
oh, theme, yeah, it's fucking awesome

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Techpill
theme*
it's morning here my brain isn't fully on yet, sorry

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

play ds2
don't have any fun
get enraged whenever i die, unlike the other souls games
wtf...

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Techpill
bort's team
What

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@SniperGod
see @RumChicken
sorry I'm dumb
I'm gonna go away now

farquit
farquit

@AwesomeTucker
play ds1
die to something
ah, okay, I wasn't cautious and walked into an otherwise obvious trap
learned from mistakes and move on

die in ds3
ah, so if I can kill the dude who screams and wakes up the other hollows or kill the transforming guy before he gets up then the rest is easy
learn patterns and move on

die in ds2
ganks everywhere, enemies appear from literally nowhere, I know you probably just had a hard time fighting the pursuer, but here's another 10 hollows thrown at you while you're recollecting yourself/healing/going through your inventory

A game with artificial difficulty isn't fun.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@farquit
good job on getting through no man's wharf
here's five dogs, an archer, and a hexer pursuer
fuck off
oh you entered bastille from the other side and spent a fragrant branch?
here's five spearmen
FUCK OFF

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Methnerd
more like

oh you entered bastille from the other side?
haha have fun getting to a bonfire

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@cum2soon
the flight from forest to bastille drops you right at a bonfire, though
unless you mean from the other other side in which case there's two vikings i guess but it's mostly a straight shot, unless that's something that changes in sotfs
or there's a third entrance that i missed because i have yet to git gud

askme
askme

does anything happen if i wait for the pygmy to crawl to filinoire?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@askme
sadly, nothing of interest, he just keels over before reaching her

FastChef
FastChef

my flail

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

How do I expose a notorious cheater in DaS1?

Literally cancer, he simply lurks areas fucking up with others game. Autistic as fuck.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@w8t4u
everyone keeps picking another guy's sign instead of mine
how can you tell?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@FastChef
m-muh flail

it's a scourge

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@LuckyDusty
t. cheater trying to avoid being exposed

TechHater
TechHater

@Spamalot
*hits you with blunt object*
heh

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spamalot
runs a train on one of your victims

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@cum2soon
there's a bonfire at the beginning of the area either way. Unless if you mean how you can't return to that bonfire without bone

5mileys
5mileys

@LuckyDusty
Post about it here
https://secure.link/jv3FuAXl

askme
askme

If you were in charge of making a Gravelord covenant for the next Souls game, how would you do it?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Why does almost every single boss in DS1 have a "hey give me a moment, I need to charge a 360° blow-up attack okay feel free to disengage and do your thing" attack?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@askme
If you were in charge for making a Gravelord covenant for the next game, how would you do it?
Not do it at all and instead put things like extra enemies / red phantom versions of enemies into NG+ cycles so that it will gradually increase in intensity until the highest NG+ cycle that is required for Platinum.

One of the few things DS2 did kinda right.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@PackManBrainlure
No man. This kid right here autistically hate other souls games which fucked up his head so all he does is fuck up with people in DaS1 so he can force them out of "his" game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xo0wny0a_Y

@5mileys
It links to the thread.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BlogWobbles
FRIEDE

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Crazy_Nice
STOP
PLAYING
ONLINE

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@farquit
enemies appear from literally nowhere
Can't say that it doesn't happen but which instance you're citing here?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@RavySnake
How does this look for a DEX/FAI build guys? Too much endurance?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Supergrass
Wonder what his new game will be like

Methshot
Methshot

@LuckyDusty
40 Fai
Not a Faith build.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methshot
how much faith should I get then?

Techpill
Techpill

@askme
You know how we had colored ghosts close to bonfires and white ones away and for bloodstains (latter turned red for 3)? Introduce another ghost, bluish black that plays if you touch black bloodstains. Black bloodstains appear in your world if a player you've infected dies (appear normal red for everyone else) 5 minutes after the player dies. If you touch that bloodstain before the owner does, you steal half of the souls within. Also, gravelord phantoms appear in ng too

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BlogWobbles
muh scythe
muh glaive
it's a bardiche.
@LuckyDusty
you need 60 fai if you want to cast spells. 40 is for blessed infusion regenerators.

WebTool
WebTool

@Lord_Tryzalot
40/60 or 30/60. Buffing is going to be your primary dmg.

FastChef
FastChef

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eah_49JDGN0

Anime BTFO

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Lord_Tryzalot
60 Faith or bust. And at that point you'll have a really tough time trying to reach 40 Dex while also staying under SL120.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Firespawn
60 faith, 40 dex, 10 attunement, 10 health
literally flawless build

Lunatick
Lunatick

@WebTool
literally
flawless

JunkTop
JunkTop

@WebTool
F L A W L E S S
L
A
W
L
E
S
S

SniperGod
SniperGod

@WebTool
buffed Lothric sword
cancer

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@FastChef
Counters Anime Greatsword with Anime Stomp-Launch
Literally only one Anime-like encounter, the rest are just random dudes, including one that does use spinning Kumo WA, but it's not the only move he does

FGS is fucking awful and I like Saint Riot but he can be obnoxious as hell.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SniperGod
Don't blame the metaman, blame the complany for not balancing for shit.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Firespawn
@WebTool
@Burnblaze
oh okay, thanks for the help

is it okay going to SL124? That's the tightest I can go without completely gimping my vigor while maintaining 40/60

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Burnblaze
Is that an actual playable game?

TechHater
TechHater

@BlogWobbles
Knock yourself out. I hear there's a lot of activity even up to 140. You probably don't need 40 end btw. What weapon do you want to use?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TechHater
I heard that sharp lothric knight sword + spell buff is really fun to use and that's what I was going for

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Three ember icons in Crucifixion Wood
Not summoned as a Doggo once over past 15 minutes

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Skullbone
You don't need more than 26 end for ss. In fact you can play fine with base end.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@LuckyDusty

Take VIG to 22, that'll give you 27 with P.Chain

ATT to 18, gives you space for a buff, a heal and a ranged miracle, ideally L.Arrow due to the low FP cost

Endurance down to 25 (30 with P.Chain). That's more than enough for any build and you've not got the health to risk spamming anyway

13 STR, 40 DEX, 60 FAI. That'll bring you to 120

Now ideally for a proper good DEX/FAI build you probably want to start as mercenary. Less starting VIT and STR. Having said that, depending on precisely what you plan on using the build for, the starting VIT might be necessary

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Emberfire
27 vig
120

mmm...

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Carnalpleasure

Yeah, 27 VIG. It's a build with a lot of stat requirements. On a Mercenary start you can get 5 more points into VIG at 120, even more with higher levels. But he chose knight and that's what I worked with

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I need any one of the Twin Princes swords, will trade it for any other boss weapon excluding the NK ones. PS4. Can also trade for other items.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Which Weapon level for Level 55 Invasions?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
Why don't you try playing through the game, mongoloid

King_Martha
King_Martha

@SniperGod
I did that many times but I am not Sure which is the appropriate Level
Do you want to taste my dick?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SomethingNew
Because it's good boss design. DS3's "lmao how do I stop attacking" is aids.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@King_Martha
I did that many times but I am not Sure which is the appropriate Level
Then you're mentally defficient

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Lunatick
Gg cuck

askme
askme

@Lunatick
It is, but don't you think giving every boss the same mechanic is kind of lame or uncreative or something? Regardless of the mechanic in question.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@askme
dying when you reduce its health to zero is a mechanic that all bosses have
except FREIDE i guess

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Harmless_Venom
What logic is this wtf

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Skullbone
i think he meant to say multiple health bars for bosses

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Ignoramus
I know, but, the boss dying is not a mechanic. How is this supposed to counter my argument?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@cum2soon
how is the boss dying not a mechanic?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Harmless_Venom
multiple health bars is a good thing
yeah fuck you

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Gigastrength
It's, like, a GAME mechanic or more like a game RULE, part of its foundation. Attacks in general are also a part of the foundation but some are restricted to certain enemies to make the game varied and make sense (e.g. ranged attacks for archers/casters). 360° blow-up is an attack that's good in its design, but giving it to almost every single boss makes it obvious, predictable, breaks the flow of the fight and makes the boss less unique.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Harmless_Venom
orny and smog
gargs
twinprince
double dragonriders
2cats
nameless kang
probably more

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Stupidasole
orn and smog each die when you reduce their health to zero, they just die separately
same with gargoyles
i still haven't played 3 so i dunno the rest rip

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
Witch of Hemlock
Demon Prince
Soul of Cinder

Tons of bosses don't die when you kill them, this fag is just mad because he can't beat a girl lmao

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberburn
Summoned to Way of Blue Adhe-
You have been sent back to your world

Booteefool
Booteefool

@MPmaster
Tons of bosses don't die when you kill them

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Emberburn
I miss it

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

mfw finally stopped fucking around with builds long enough to take a high level to the end of the game already in ds1
spent hours grinding dukes and other places for souls and blue chunks to max out darkwraith/enchant equipment
proceed to fight oolacile bosses, artorias has appeared
demon catalyst does more damage than +4 enc. dark sword
am I being trolled? does he do this against occult aswell?

this is the same character that can output 1920 damage with RTSR and power within.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
forgot pic

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Do gankers actually exist outside of DS3's world? It seems it's kind of a big thing, sitting around the bonfire with two phantoms and a dried finger, waiting for invaders and killing them for shits and giggles, yet I don't think I've seen a single person bragging about it or talking about how awesome in their opinion it is.

askme
askme

I wish there was a way of disabling those artillery dragons in the Dragonslayer Armor fight, either before you enter the fog gate (like Fool's Idol) or during the fight itself (like The One Reborn).

That would make the fight so much more interesting and feel more fair.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Have you touched your brother inappropriately today /dsg/?

WebTool
WebTool

@Stupidasole
Rise wood

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

tfw i want to make a sl25 hodrick cosplay invader
make him and drag his ass all through the game for the gear
do my invades as a purple to get warmth
25 fucking faith
zero ways to swing that unless i run stock health
Why the fuck did i think warmth took 10 faith? Why the fuck does it take 25? Shits infuriating.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BinaryMan
just spice it down :^)

RumChicken
RumChicken

@BinaryMan
try using lukewarmth lmao

Booteefool
Booteefool

The serpents weren't the angels after all despite there being serpent statues wearing cheap costume wings or something
The entire serpent statue thing ended up being nothing at all
What were they thinking

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Booteefool
cycles lmao

TechHater
TechHater

can't do Friede at SL1

The second phase is fucking awful

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TechHater
misguided ash

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TechHater
yo dont give up

askme
askme

@TechHater
SL1
Well what did you expect?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Need_TLC
I need 125 if i want to start knight

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Bidwell
+6

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TechHater
Id offer to help on my sl1 but i had to delete him to make a new build. Thank god that in the year 2017 we still only have 10 character slots :^)

massdebater
massdebater

@TechHater
It really sucks especially since Gael is useless. I just did her at sl 40 and there's no one ever around to b summon because almost no one makes it too her early.

At least with Demon Prince you get Lapp who can nearly solo one of the Demons.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TechHater
MUH FLALE

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Is it ok to like Dark Souls 2 now?

farquit
farquit

@ZeroReborn
Its okay to have your own backbone and opinion user. And ds2 was always good.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@ZeroReborn
I like all Souls games. Ds2 the second least but it's all up to you to like or dislike a game.

WebTool
WebTool

Have to study for finals
Still want to play
Use obscuring ring
hide in crux woods
transform into a box
go watch blues get shitted on

Fun times

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Rate Friede's phases from least friede to the friedest

StonedTime
StonedTime

what are das1 +15 weapon options for 40str 40dex?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@StonedTime
depends if you are going pure quality, crystal, or plus buffs. by crystal I mean can you make another one when it breaks because its buyable not a one drop per game type weapon. (probably suggest not doing this anyway)

flamberge comes to mind, it has bleed. greatswords and halberds are some things that benefit from high str and dex

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Lunatick
I remember the time when people complained about every enemy being capable of HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL attacks in DaS2.
Fuck videogamers.

Techpill
Techpill

I gank all the time with my home boys. Sometimes we get faggots who try to hide behind the enemies in the level and shoot great arrows at us so we started clearing the entire area first before using dried finger.

And now because some faggots use obscuring ring and arrows, my whole squad all have obscuring rings muled over and everyone on the team has a milkwood bow to even up the playing field.

We generally fight until we're all killed but lately some faggots have been trying to whittle us down then black crystal out so we only squad up if we have a designated healer friend with us.

The funny thing is we used to just sit out in the open and wait for invaders to try us but they keep doing homo tactics that me and the boys have to adjust to deal with properly.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Techpill
lol

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fried_Sushi
Are you comparing that to my question about 360° explosions?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Techpill
Keep us posted.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Poker_Star
It took me 700 hours to get to SL400.
Only a miniscule minority got to SL838 legit due to autism.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Anyone on PC have a spare sage ring +2 and a yorshka's chime they can drop me?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@cum2soon
not using cheat engine

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Supergrass
How can something be overpowered when you can hardcounter it?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Lunatick
You can't really hard counter it because in ds2 a hexxer can use every magic optimally.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Harmless_Venom
mundane dual havelyn
Anicient memes.
High level pvp had by far the most variety.
Everything below SL200 was the same robflynn cancer.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Soft_member
So hexes weren't OP, but hexers were, got it.
Still, shields were pretty good against them.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Why are all starting classes un ds3,except for Knight, Pyromancer and Thief literally useless?

iluvmen
iluvmen

playing all three Dark Souls games at the same time
tfw noticing how they're all pretty good games but each one does one or two things horribly that the others don't
Dark Souls 1 shits the bed after Lordvessel. 2 has absurd enemy tracking. 3 is (so far) a straight fucking line. I'm not sure which one is my favorite.

Techpill
Techpill

@iluvmen
2 has absurd enemy tracking
Had
DS2 has nothing on DS2 enemy tracking, you can walk circles around most enemies.

DS2 just deals with by mostly giving enemies homing attacks
DS3 deals with it by giving low windup extremely quick attacks that turn them at the start of the attack
One is clearly more immersive than the other, but both are forms of tracking

Methshot
Methshot

So guys I really wanna do a new run on DS3.

Either Magic, Miracles or Pyromancy. Which would you recommend? Whats the most fun? What is actually viable in PvP? ANd what is viable in PvE?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Soft_member
use every magic optimally
120 levels for just int and faith

Naah dedicated magic/miracle builds were still more effective at magical/lightning damage, what made hexers good was the variety they of spells that they got, you don't need a 2000 damage crytsal soul spear to win when 200 chip damage from 10 different spells does the same and is more consistent

TechHater
TechHater

@iluvmen
2 has absurd enemy tracking.
Tracking is good, lacking animation is bad.
Being able to circle strafe backstab easily like in DaS1 is bad.

5mileys
5mileys

@whereismyname
one of these is not like the other

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Flameblow
Post your build.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
Dark Souls 1 shits the bed after Lordvessel
Even at it's worst DS1 level design is on the level of the high end DS2 level design. Saying it as a slight against DS1 when compared to DS2 is absurd.

Now compared to DeS / BB level design DS1 has a noticeable drop in quality towards the end.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methshot
Depends on if you're doing invasions, PvE, ganking, or duels.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

arena duel/brawl
everyone plays like passive, reactive faggots
invasions
even in a 4v1, everyone plays like passive, reactive faggots
why do i keep coming back to DS3?

takes2long
takes2long

@Skullbone
lost izalith
dukes "lmao killed u" archives
dark skeleton wankfest
having anything on Brume Tower
wallhacking ghosts
Shit taste desu senpai.

The lord soul areas were not too bad other than Izalith being an uninspired copypaste of bosses that are not even worth killing and enemies with literally no animations at all, but even the worst of 2 and 3 never stoop so low

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Skullbone
Now compared to DeS / BB level design DS1 has a noticeable drop in quality towards the end.
That might be coloring my perception, actually. Bloodborne is the only Souls game I've finished and I got about 75% done with Demon's many years ago, and those were both very consistent games in regards to level design.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@happy_sad
Hexer had better pyros, just as strong miracles, and their sorcery was nearly as strong because their were no caster rings to specialize and focus on a magic damage type.

Glad they got rid of omni casters in ds3 now you can see distinctly different types of magic builds instead of everyone being the same omnicaster build.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Skullbone
Going down that hole in DaS2 is better than anything in DaS1. Also No Mans Wrath and Hunters Corpse is as good as the best in DaS1.
Not to mention the DLC areas.
Fuck off DaS1 babby.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Firespawn
Ah yes, the delusional DS2 apologist returns. Tell us more how great Iron Passage is pls

Emberburn
Emberburn

@JunkTop
just as strong miracles
Lmao what.
were no caster rings to specialize
Lmao fucking what?
Dark clutch
Lightning Clutch
Sorcery clutch
Fire clutch
Blue clearstone
Lingering dragoncrest
southern band
northern band though that doesn't count because nobody in their right mind uses that shit in PvP
abyss seal
sun seal

Hexers were good and nobody in their right mind will argue that, but hexeres were the jack of all trades class they lost out to specialized builds in their specialized fields, but didn't want to specialize for DS2 PvP

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@JunkTop
They got rid of casters period, now all you see are omni meleeists using the same weapons, because screw balance.
Thanks Miyazaki.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Firespawn
Well I like duelling. What would you sayis the most fun just in PvE?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StrangeWizard
To be fair, this is after 2 entire games where casters are completely OP. Yeah, I'd prefer they properly balanced this shit instead of having some games where it's magic OP and some games where it's melee OP, but hey, at least it's not a 3rd game with OP magic.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@VisualMaster
Everything is viable in PvE if you git gud at rolling, and there is no real reason to do a fatroll build
Just pyro is boring as shit
Just magic is boring as shit but at least doable
Just miracles is suffering for around 90% of the game until the last DLC where you actually get decent damage for FP

Miracles + melee works the best because that's what miracles are meant for, supporting melee builds. Just do that and pretend to be a pladin, level STR/DEX of your choice and then get Faith whenever you find a new miracle.
Don't go over SL120 and then just ask for a PvP build and respec when you get tired of PvE

askme
askme

@RavySnake
Funny, I hate that area.
Acknowledging that DaS2 wasn't all bad is a serious offence I know. Gotta praise the sunXD

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@happy_sad
Ok thanks man

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Emberburn
specialize damage

Can you not read? Why are you linking all these irrelevant rings at me like clearstone. I very clearly said casting damage type.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@RavySnake
The game is the best for balance so far. Every archetype is viable and has it's place to shine.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Emberburn
northern band
It actually had a use in the arena to win in time outs. Being a cunt in DaS2 was so fun.

5mileys
5mileys

@RavySnake
Iron Passage is a shitshow but let's look at what it did
Forced hosts and phantoms to separate AND springs traps on the host a the same time if he wants the phantoms to clear out ranged enemies in advance
Level loops around on itself multiple times
cam be ran through with fairly little effort and good consistency with practice
enemies don't case you outside of their designated rooms
forces you to think about melee and ranged threats at the same time
has an answer for you trying to cheese it with magic only

If we just take a look at it from a "list of things Dark Souls levels should do" then it's got a bunch of neat shit, shame the execution is complete and utter dogshit making it a very unejoyable area

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@VisualMaster
duelling

Go miracles then. It's great for duels and PvE. Quite possible the strongest duel build and one of the most powerful for PvE and co-op.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Firespawn
Fuck off DS1 babby
I like Bloodborne almost as much as DS1 and DS3 is a close second :).

@askme
calls anybody criticizing DS2 a DaS1/3babby
cries persecution immediately afterward
Like clockwork.

takes2long
takes2long

@happy_sad
Miracles + melee works the best because that's what miracles are meant for,

My issue with this is that miracles/faith was always clearly meant to be for support. but the vast majority of the support miracles in every game are shit. How many fucking heal miracles do we need? Especially in games where you have grass/estus/gems/etc and they're practically worthless. Almost all the support miracles are better just by using an item (purple moss, homeward bone, estus, etc etc etc).

That's not to say there aren't useful support miracles, but I really wish they'd expand on them

Techpill
Techpill

@Methnerd
Look I'll explain it to you slowly
A 60 INT + magic clutch sorcerer will do more damage with sorceries than a 30/30 dark build
A 60 Faith + lighting clutch faith dude will do more damage with miracles than a 30/30 dark build

A 30/30 dark build with BOTH rings will STILL do less damage.

As I have said 3 times now, what makes or breaks a DS2 build is not instant burst damage, it's consistency, and hexers give you the broadest range of options for mixups along with an extremely consistent damage type.
The Giant Warrior Club can 1 shot backstab almost eveyrone, but the longsword with next to no scaling is considered the best PvP weapon.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@5mileys
Yeah, all that goes out the window because of the tranquil walk of peace faggots coupled with greatbow archers and body-blocking melee mobs

If the astrologists weren't dogshit, I wouldn't have a problem with this level.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@takes2long
Are you retarded? I don't even know where to begin with how retarded everything you just said actually is.

likme
likme

@DeathDog
No arguments? That's fine, you can quite while you're ahead.

Evilember
Evilember

@RavySnake
I feel the need to repeat myself I THINK IRON PASSAGE IS BAD, I DON'T LIKE IT. I just think it's stupid to dismiss them offhand and never even consider what good ideas they had, that leads to extremely dull overall design "well that didn't work guess we won't even try to fix what went wrong, just throw it all out"
Imagine if we had an area in 3 that forced hosts to move away from their phantom buttbudies but actually well designed?

You can just wait for every astrologist to walk over to you, deal with them 1 on 1 then proceed with the area, that or run past everything and not give a fuck. Casting walk of peace takes so long your in the next safe zone when it lands.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Techpill
A 30/30 dark build with BOTH rings will STILL do less damage.

Yes but they still have comparable damage while steal dealing maximum dark and fire damage.

There's really no reason not to be an omni/hexer in ds2 when it's superior in almost Every way and rivals other casters at their own strengths.

In DS3 no caster can hope to do every magic well.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@likme
Why would I argue with how retarded you are? You'll just say you were pretending.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@King_Martha
Yes but they still have comparable damage
No they don't
A 60 INT magic staff of wisdom crystal soul spear with do a few hundred more damage than a 30 INT one

Like I don't get what you are trying to argue here.
Hexers are good, this is established fact
A dedicated INT build will do more damage with sorceries than a 30/30 hexer with less ring slots needed.

Go play 2, very few people even in the SL6mil brackets use magic outside of 1 body buff and a maybe a weapon buff. Dedicated Hexers are really fucking rare.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@RavySnake
Go play 2
Why would I torture myself?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PackManBrainlure
Why do you feel the need to theorycraft about a game you don't even play?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@PackManBrainlure
Way to invalidate your opinion..

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Bidwell
@Emberfire
I've already played it. Why would I keep playing it when there are much better soulsborn games released since then?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@VisualMaster
I repeat my question
Why are you talking are talking a game you don't even play?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@VisualMaster
You been spouting misinformation the whole time. I see why now.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
@Poker_Star

if you don't play a dead game every day it means you don't know or remember the game mechanics.

So now since no one plays DS1 we can pretend like poise stabs and chain stabs weren't a thing anymore because we haven't played it today?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Stark_Naked
First phase: Friede
Second phase: Friedest
Third phase: Friedissimo

RavySnake
RavySnake

Don't you have to attend some twitch chat or something? People would like you there.

JunkTop
JunkTop

OPINION!

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I like all the dark souls games. But ive never owned a bloodborne or demon souls machine. Can we still be friends dsg?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Is there any point wearing heavy armour when you're not using an ultra weapon?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SniperWish
People who talk mostly about memes that have never been true don't even play the games the memes are about
What wonderful things we learned to today

askme
askme

@Evil_kitten
Most people here play Dark Souls on the pc and DeS is emulatable on the pc.

Techpill
Techpill

@VisualMaster
I you play any of the good games then yes.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Stupidasole
is it weird that i had boner during this cutscene

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Stupidasole
There's disappointingly little porn of these two even considering the fact that Souls games overall don't have that much porn made of them.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Stupidasole
Lorian should have been a girl

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Garbage Can Lid
Lorian is a girl(boy). Even better. Go get that boi pucci Lothrick!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Doing this while studying@WebTool

Blues die due to baiting into mobs
All blues get wrecked by a purple and a red
Decide "Let me kill the mobs first"
Do it un-embered to not call doggies
They die even when 2 vs 2 AND NO MOBS

WEW

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@BinaryMan
Yesterday I saw a blue manage to kill 2 reds. Never saw that before.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Garbage Can Lid
Lorian is the big guy

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

SYMBOL OF AVARICE IS BY DEFAULT ALWAYS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF YOUR HELMET STASH

BUT THEN IT TURNED OUT LOCUST PREACHER'S HEAD GETS FARTHER AND IT BECOMES THE ONE TO ALWAYS BE AT THE BOTTOM

WHAT ARE THE LORE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS

farquit
farquit

@BunnyJinx
Was that me?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@BinaryMan
What SL you're doing it at? Most blues are probably decked out in ear farming gear and maybe even respecced temporarily to dump points into luck. Blues tends to be shit players in general because they tend to tryhard because they get like one invasion per hour and are desperate.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@New_Cliche
Sulyvahn did 9/11

Nojokur
Nojokur

y is marichuans in game

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@DeathDog
LMAO
I actually do it at SL 24
Do remember invaders might be at an even LESS SL.

FastChef
FastChef

@Fried_Sushi
Yeah I know. Imagine being Lorian Being an amazon warrior and Lothric still being this twink wizard, even though they're both still huge. The doujins would be glorious.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Harmless_Venom
SL24
Well then they have no excuse. No one grinds ears from knights at SL25-30.
Now that you mentioned it I might make an ear farmer character as well.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@farquit
Idk bitch

Soft_member
Soft_member

post fun builds

viagrandad
viagrandad

@happy_sad
Funny enough, I actually got 33 ears on this character by putting on the covenant and studying while waiting.
Took me like 2 days of SL 23, but that SHIT IS DONE. I also invaded here while wearing Sun Cov. to knock that shit out too.
I just wish FTH builds weren't so bad apart from Crucifix.
Crucifix at SL 23 is super fun btw.

whereismyname
whereismyname

FINALLY get summoned as a doggo
Host is laggy as fuck, another doggo already present
And a red
1 v 1 the host because for some reason the red is fighting the other doggo, figured maybe the doggo attacked him first or something
Doggo dies
Host low on health, I'm low on health
Red runs up to me and kills me
Points down

Okay.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname
try doggo on PS4
Done in less than a couple of hours

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@viagrandad
With my current Faith build, I've been working toward using the Earth Seeker. It's already at a handicap for what it is, but there's something about it.
@whereismyname
The Red probably wanted to 1v1 the host out of muh honor. Doing Dogs for me was incredibly easy at low SL, but got much harder at higher SL, and the OWCS was worth the effort.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@VisualMaster
All signs suggest I should be getting pops all the time, entire area is constantly on triple ember icon, I have no idea what is going on. Moreover, so far 80% "invasions" end before they even begin because of time outs or some other shit. All was good when I was invading normally.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
I hate doggos.
Even when playing as another invader, instead of actually being helpful, they just instantly bum-rush you so they can then get instantly annihilated by the host.
Watchdoggos are fucking braindead and need to be euthanized.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@viagrandad
FTH builds weren't so bad apart from Crucifix

Nigga what?

Inmate
Inmate

What happens if you do the Path of the Dragon gesture at Irythll Dungeon at the Archdragon Peak spot when you have a summon with you?

Does the event not trigger? Or does your phantom get kicked out of your world?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Boy_vs_Girl
Why attack one who's out of your hair, though?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fried_Sushi
Oh no, I wouldn't do that.
I always appreciate some help when dealing with hosts. Spitroasting them with another invader is always fun.
The problem is Watchdogs are fucking retarded and attack anything with a pulse, instead of prioritising the host and helping another invader out with their invasion.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fried_Sushi
There are a lot of retarded invaders who feel bad if there are more than 1 invader ganging up on the host and they'll attack other invaders to then honorabbudueru the host. What happens is that the host will then kill the dumb doggo due to having 30% more health and more sips. Happens with Aldrichfags too.

WebTool
WebTool

@viagrandad
And this happens every single time?
Because during my Watchdog days, even time in Aldrich Faithful, I've had Reds treat me in this same way when I'm trying to kill the host.

TechHater
TechHater

@WebTool
I guess maybe we just get unlucky with other invaders.
Most of the time when I do Aldritching/Watchdogging, most reds/purples/bloody piss invaders usually try and help out and actually kind of pull their own weight.

takes2long
takes2long

@TechHater
It's even worse when invading as a Purple because everyone turns their sights on you. Again, killing the host is just the easiest path for any group of invaders, but most people don't seem to understand that.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@DeathDog
You have a few different subspecies of blue. Most are terrible, but not all of them.

1. The Noob Protector
Thinks that jumping to the aid of a host against the red menace is the coolest shit. Basically lite roleplayers. Usually new to the game, and usually pretty bad at it if they get caught without support. Unlikely to have twink gear. Most likely candidate to be wearing a Fallen Knight set and using a katana.

2. The Salt Police
Got meme'd on by invaders so much that his asshole never really recovered. He took up the blue purely out of spite for reds, but his own rage causes his eyes to fill with salty tears, which tends to make him a poor player. Almost definitely a twink, though. Takes it personally when he gets killed, and thinks that other people do the same. A good source of fanmail.

3. Earwatch 2017
Desperately wants Darkmoon Blade, probably for duelling. He doesn't really care about invasions. He doesn't particularly care about the host, either. He just wants a reprieve from the Silver Knight genocide. Probably pretty bad due to ear thirst, and will likely appear in the world with a mimic head on.

4. Babby's First Multiplayer
Watched some invasion videos on youtube and thought it looked cool, but is terrified of actually being challenged and can't stand the idea of fighting alone. Takes great pride in his ability to beat invaders when he has two other people backing him up. Almost guaranteed to be a twink, and almost guaranteed to be a braindead R1 spamming retard.

5. This Blue Spirit
Doesn't have any ulterior motive beyond wanting to make the multiplayer more interesting for everyone involved. Probably roleplaying, at least on a surface level. Might get salty, but no more so than any other player. Probably good at the game, but not necessarily, and may or may not be twinked.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@WebTool
That's because reds are used to Aldrichfags and Watchdoggos either just standing around like retards while you fight the host or worse yet, attacking YOU because.... I don't even know. Aldrichfags are terrible and will often act as free Estus refills for the host and phantoms because they are too retarded to wait for backup. Peeve's Bloodshades were a good idea but it fell apart due to retardation.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@WebTool
It happens often enough that a lot of dedicated invaders just write off Crux Woods and Pontiff's Playground completely.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@takes2long
It's to do mainly with the stigma that purples are wildcards that cannot be trusted.
If you really don't trust them, then try and get them to deal with the host's numerous phantoms, they'll have their fill, and leave. No need to go out your way to murder them unless they try to do the same to you.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater
I have a clean conscience in this regard, my time in Dogs and Faithful was dedicated to killing the host, per the job description. I just wanted Great Deep Soul for all the Sorceries.
@haveahappyday
Crucifixion Woods is a total mess, especially around 120 with a Finger on. And you always get one asshole with a Shrek build.

FastChef
FastChef

Failed to join session
Time out
Time out
Successful doggo invasion, host killed
Time out
Failed to join session
Failed to join session
Successful doggo invasion, killed by a red
Time out
Successful doggo invasion, three-man passworded gank squad
Failed to join session
Failed to join session
Time out
Successful doggo invasion, connection error occured
Time out

girlDog
girlDog

@Playboyize
When I was in the forest at like level 30 all dogs were retarded, but most reds had more sipp game than I did. Fuckin faggots using resin on dragonslayer axe every other invasion meant 1 mistake was death

iluvmen
iluvmen

@BinaryMan
That is a very good post imo. I recognize myself from Ear Watch 2017 and I often got summoned with the Sage's Rapier in the offhand lol.

@Burnblaze
Yup, I was a trusty doggo /aldrich as well and I was doing it for the achievements.

Inmate
Inmate

@BinaryMan
Do blue since I am a FTH build and it seems right because LMAO LORE
End up babysitting retards, but kill 2 reds sometimes. The times I lose is due to retarded hosts, got baited once-twice

What does that make me?

massdebater
massdebater

@girlDog
reds had more sipp game than I did
You start the game with 4 sips, you get 1 from FS, 1 from HW and 1 from US so that makes for 7 flasks which is the absolute max sips for phantoms.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@FastChef
What system mate?
Do not have those issues in PS4 at SL 24

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Need_TLC
PC, it's all good when using REO.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TreeEater
PC
Its so easy to disconnect on PC.
On PS4, it takes another level of salt to actually unplug the system, wait for like 5-10 minutes and then find out you died anyways.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Deadlyinx
can't you just close the app on ps4?

5mileys
5mileys

Untrue Dark Ring hides that silly ember effect on your armor.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fuzzy_Logic
You could, most people don't,

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Burnblaze
Once I had TWO Shreks, one red and one dog. The dog was fucking GLUED to my ass, but I still managed to kill the red somehow while he was busy with the host. Why he didn't team up with the red to kill the host and automatically send me home, I have no idea. He even persisted in chasing me down when the red died and I was about to be sent home.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Inmate
This Blue Spirit, textbook. You're being blue not because you want something out of it, but because you enjoy being blue.

Nothing wrong with hating the retard hosts.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

What areas still get multiplayer traffic in Dark Souls 1? Any level for just random invasions, not necessarily talking about SL120 pvp

For instance, I have an SL30 character and I can't get fuck-all for invasions in Sen's Funhouse, but Anor Londo is pretty steady.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
@TurtleCat
@TurtleCat
@TurtleCat
Bump.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@massdebater
Being a pyro I only like 4 regular flasks so I could cast some fire orbs. Dumb doggos trying to attack reds just meant refills. And they could just run behind the enemies whenever I landed a riposte or got them to low health and would refuse to come back out until I came after them. Besides, if the red had 7 flasks, that also meant his were +10 and healed far more than mine could at the time. Made early game invasions a massive pain in the was when all I saw was vordt's hammer and the DSA.
Not impossible because many of them despite the huge advantage they have ended up being greedy or stupid, but just annoying I guess.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Pontiff Scythe is such a cool weapon but it's absolute garbage goddamn

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Nojokur
like almost all of the weapons in this game

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BinaryMan
I really wish they'd fix dorkmoons. It's bad enough that the covenant system doesn't fucking work at all. It's worse that there are TWO blue covenants which are literally the same fucking thing.

Blue Sentinels should work as it does.
Darkmoons should work more like DaS1, where you invade indicted invaders. Only modification I'd make is that Darkmoons can invade people ANYWHERE, even if they have the boss dead. The problem in DaS1 was that invaders typically had their bosses dead, so darkmoons couldn't touch like 95% of invaders. This also means having a blue eye orb.

Each covenant should also have its own items and rewards for progression in the covenant. And there should also be incentive for people to use Way of Blue. Have covenant rewards too, and have an additional mechanic where people with Way of Blue enabled can be invaded in areas where the boss is dead. This would allow more multiplayer opportunities host-side and would give people incentive for using the covenant.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Nojokur
Is it? That sucks. I saw it has S sex scaling and that neat frost ability but that's a shame. Isn't it still rated as "decent" in the chart though?

askme
askme

@Raving_Cute
Except straight swords.
Those literally trump everything else in comparison. If you aren't using one, then you should consider suicide.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Spazyfool

http://dscmstat.us/

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Deadlyinx
People disconnect on the xbone as well.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@JunkTop
And there should also be incentive for people to use Way of Blue.
You don't fucking say? Like, I dunno, trivialising invasions? Hmmmm?

Evilember
Evilember

@Deadlyinx
it takes another level of salt to actually unplug the system
It takes a double digit amount of brain cells to turn the game off.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Enjoy doing Heysel Pick+Scholar for that GS combo
Enjoy doing Crucifix build

UGH, which one should I stick with?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Deadlyinx
PCfag here. I wouldn't trade PC gaming for anything, but this is absolutely true. It's just too damn easy to alt+f4 and quit when invaded, and it happens all the damn time. There's also a bigger problem with people being AFK, because it's so easy to have the game running and just be doing something else simultaneously (like what I'm doing right now). So you end up with plenty of aldritches, watchdogs, and blues that spawn AFK.

And lastly, this is a mixed bag, but easy access to cheat engine and save backups means more hackers, twinks, muling, etc. Not that these things don't happen on consoles (I encountered plenty of that shit on my PS3 version of DaS1 as well as my PC version), but it's less pronounced. I'm guilty of it too. Like hell I'm going to go through to NG+++ for various items and such. It has its pros and cons

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@DeathDog
Heysel Pick is more fun

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Fuzzy_Logic
But it's pointless to use because the Corvian Scythe is better in literally every way. It can't be infused, or buffed, and the frost/bleed would only ever proc at extreme low levels.

It MIGHT be usable for Undead Settlement invasions, but that's only because scythes dumpster people who try to dark hand.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@DeathDog
Crucifix is fun as hell because it basically has a third R attack that fills a niche halberds otherwise lack, so it's a mixup king.

Go with the crux.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@haveahappyday
@SniperWish
I just want a BIG COMBO DAMAGE build that ISNT frayed blade.

Heysel Pick is really fun, but low range and you actually have to hit ONCE to do that combo. Against GS/GH/GCS, I am stuck since I cannot poise thru it, or get fuck on the trade

Crux lets me cast for about 1 minute and 20 with lingering +2. If I whiff the attack, is ok, because I can try again and mix it up, still hitting them for huge damage.
I get wrecked by daggers somehow, and with some GS if I don't time my attacks.

Both of them are p. fun desu

StonedTime
StonedTime

@StrangeWizard
Like hell I'm going to go through to NG+++ for various items and such
Speaking of which, could anyone on PS4 trade any Twin Princes sword with me? I trade for any other boss weapon.

Nojokur
Nojokur

invade
find host
fallen knight set + katana

What I wouldn't give for a Souls game without this "thousand-forded braded steer" weebshit

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberburn
To add
Heysel lets me mix up between range and physical
Crux will only let me once I get arrow.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Post cheap mercenary/lowly soldier fashen inspo

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Emberburn
splitleaf is what you want for that combo

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Nojokur
Hey, don't judge someone for just doing a totally accurate Guts Cosplay.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Carnalpleasure
The autism in me also want me to roleplay SOMETHING with INT/FTH
Just by poise stacking for splitleaf, I am left with very little do RP with.
I keep my builds 100SL or less too.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Carnalpleasure
just walk into my helicopter pls

askme
askme

@Carnalpleasure
uniroically using the Splitmeme Great"""""""sword"""""""""""

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

more like bro split meh sword am i rigth

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Supergrass
fine, dark infused harald CGS

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Carnalpleasure
still not as bad as DaS2's spin2win halberd bullshit

askme
askme

@StonedTime
No, because you don't deserve it.

Methshot
Methshot

@TechHater
*hits you with a blunt*
Dude

massdebater
massdebater

learning how to parry when invading and how to abuse unlock and roll backstabs
This is fucking hilarious. I feel like I'm playing Dark Souls 1.
People just don't fucking know what to do, and even clearly skilled players just start panic rolling everywhere.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@massdebater
Are you using a shotel and are invading in Pontiff's club?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@StonedTime
You still need one mate?
I need a transfer + dark infused harald CS
Might try the build that user said.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

r8 friend's fashion pls

cum2soon
cum2soon

@TurtleCat
Sure, leave your sign at High Wall bonfire, pass is dsg

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@cum2soon
Let me check if I actually have that weapon..
I should tho.
one sec

MPmaster
MPmaster

@LuckyDusty
RIP Ruin Helmet

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
Nope. Just in Catacombs.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Is it just me or PvE part of third game actually punish the player for defensive playstyle? Shield just generally makes things worse than running in 2H mode all the time with rolling all the way instead of utilizing block and parry.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Stark_Naked
Do you?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@PurpleCharger
Absolutely, it was actually a stunning revelation to me when I realized the game does not want me to learn enemies' moves and just take initiative and stomp their shit in instead.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StonedTime
I would but you didn't help me when I asked for help yesterday for Friede.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Skullbone
I do...at +1
I need a +0 Dark Harald CS and the transfer
The sword is yours after that cool?
I recommend you back up save too.
High wall
pass is dsg

Techpill
Techpill

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/248264

pls r8

takes2long
takes2long

@PurpleCharger
That's kind of always been the case
DS1 you 2hand a black knight sword/black knight greatsword/black knight halberd/zweihander if you got unlucky and just run at shit. Early you game you flat out 1 shot most mobs and do absurd amounts of damage to bosses. Lategame you can just stand still and trade R1's with bosses because you have more health, more armor more DPS and better poise
DS2 made mobs faster but at the same time assfucked most defensive options and made armor significantly worse with patches, so the most efficient way to play is still to 2hand, but this time around you 2hand a small fast weapon like a rapier, then stunlock/1shot everything. Can't trade R1's with bosses anymore but just constantly facefucking them and hitting them is still the way to go

Overall there are very few cases in which playing defensive with a shield is actually the way to go, Kalameet being the best example in 1 where he straight up can't hit you if you just back off until he starts a fire breath attack, after which you claim your free 2 hits and then back off again.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

moundmaker
wearing white ring doesnt make my summon sign white
For what purpose? Does Myazaki hate fun?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Crazy_Nice
Really a shame. MM's gimmick only lasted like a week at release before people realized what was going on.

Evilember
Evilember

>>192215573
what?
You can with RED SIGN my man
Go to high wall, place your red sign
pass is dsg

TechHater
TechHater

@Techpill
Ditch the crystal soul spear and old moonlight, grab soul greatsword and homing crystal mass. Also your damage wont be great because of lolds3 casting scaling so it might be worth it to drop to 35 int and up your attune.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Deadlyinx
This. Its honestly the most least thought out covenant in any dark souls game. Do they not have anyone with a lick of common sense at FROM?

farquit
farquit

@Raving_Cute

Whoops, I forgot that I can't summon in cleared areas. Gonna resurrect Argo and then summon you at Ringed Inner Wall

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Crazy_Nice
one of the trailer clearly tells people to betray the host
From makes no effort to improve a covenant

RumChicken
RumChicken

@farquit
what?
You can with RED SIGN my man
Go to high wall, place your red sign
pass is dsg

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@farquit
You can't even summon whites into your world when you ressurect Argo, I'm very sure.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PurpleCharger
Absolutely. Previous games allowed plenty of different types of play, but in Roll Souls 3: Bloodborne Lite Edition, basically everything but mashing the R1 and circle buttons is a no-no.

I loved how I could play through Dark Souls as a flippy dex ninja or I could play it as a heavy armor and strength weapon fatrolling tank. And both were actually decent ways of playing the game. Certain bosses that were hard with one playstyle would be a joke with the other and vice-versa. The only time the game truly forced you to play as a roll-spamming ninja was if you decided to do SL1 (or low-level in general) and couldn't equip the heavy stuff or have enough HP.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@takes2long
I disagree. It's true than two-handing stuff has always been a good and reliable option, but in DS1 and DS2 you could, and I feel like to some extend you should, play defensively when facing a new enemy so that you learn their moves and openings.

In DS3, even as early as High Wall of Lothric you meet enemies who keep chaining combos that not only will break your guard almost immediately, but also do not offer too many openings for counter-attacks, and I feel their main purpose is to encourage stunlocking and poisebreaking i.e aggressive playstyles.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@PurpleCharger
I find that blocking is kind of unique.
In normal PvE, it's really really useful against rapid attackers like dogs, thralls etc...
as for bosses, rolling is generally better, BUT, blocking can make SOME bosses super easy.
demon prince, midir, nameless king are good examples.
but most of the time you will be just slamming shit with 2H

5mileys
5mileys

@PurpleCharger
I honest to god had the most fun time in ds2 when i ised to make a greatshield tank with the skull ring and just be a summon for peoples bosses. Imagine my dissapointment when the skull ring just doesnt work in 3 like it should.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@kizzmybutt
@RumChicken
He lives anyway now
Anyhow, I placed a red sign at High Wall, hope that works

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Fried_Sushi
@Deadlyinx
They should've made the signs match your white ring. They also should've made it so the moundmaker gets even better rewards for getting the host to the boss fog. They had this mechanic where MMs could help or betray, but there was ZERO INCENTIVE to help at all.

Of course, the covenants in general also need a total overhaul in how rewards work, because grinding for items and then getting something at +10 and +30 is shit.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@haveahappyday
I wear a light shield with blessed, usually the one you can get at the settlement but never use it other then a slow heal. I will two hand or one hand just to mix up swing speeds. Blocking is just redundant in 3. Its always better to roll through them and backstab then to block.

TechHater
TechHater

@BinaryMan
wait until you get to the stairs in irithyll :>

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Lunatick
play defensively when facing a new enemy so that you learn their moves and openings.
Well yeah the same applies in 3, most enemies can't really do anything about you just rolling away backwards constantly.

@BinaryMan
use a small shield
why are my blocks shit
Blocking has always been redundant, its the thing you do if your not good at enough to roll. Even with heavy armor builds back in 1 you still went ham with 2handed weapons

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PurpleCharger
Alright, coming in with the receiving char!!

farquit
farquit

@RumChicken

Could you post a list of all the stuff I need to transfer so that I don't forget anything?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Supergrass
In DaS1, playing defensively could mean dodging a bunch, or it could mean using your shield and playing it safe that way.

In DaS3, the ONLY way to play defensively is to spam the roll button

Emberburn
Emberburn

@farquit
My man, go and BACKUP SAVE
Then, DUMP EVERYTHING
Then restore your save.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Methnerd
Or you could, you know back off with your shield raised instead of tanking their entire combo watching your stamina bar deplete?
I kinda get the point you are trying to make but this is a really stupid way of phrasing it

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberburn
I read horror stories about saves disappearing from that, so I'd rather not risk it

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Need_TLC
I do it ALL the time.
Like really, I just did it earlier
Go ahead and do it.
That way you keep everything I just gave you too.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@PurpleCharger
@haveahappyday
bosses that instant guard break you with every single attack:
dancer
oceiros
yhorm
champ
cinder 1st phase
greatwolf and tender
halflight
gael 1st phase
bosses that cant even scratch your stamina bar with normal hits:
dragonslayer armor
lorian
nameless king
cinder 2nd phase
friede 1st phase
demon prince
gael 2nd phase
midir (even tho he deletes your stamina, he gives you a lot of time to regen)
old demon king aoe attacks (you still get rekt by hammer swings)

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Need_TLC
I have 6 million save backups. Trust me, they work fine.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Ignoramus
@haveahappyday
Meh, I'll just check what items I have two of

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Gigastrength
here
https://pastebin.com/3u5mtMyj

viagrandad
viagrandad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eah_49JDGN0

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PurpleCharger
Shield just generally makes things worse than running in 2H mode

You're probably using it wrong honestly. Most of you are fucking retarded and don't realize this isn't Ds1 where you can just throw on any shield and be effective.

Post your build so I can tell you what's wrong with it.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@PackManBrainlure
DaS1
DeS
BB
DaS3
DaS2 SotFS
eating dogshit
DaS2

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Harmless_Venom
don't realize this isn't Ds1 where you can just throw on any shield and be effective.

That's, like, the point here.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Gigastrength
I forgot I upgraded that FLAME LMAO
KEEP IT
FUCK IT
THANKS.
Now on to yours

askme
askme

@Gigastrength
@Ignoramus
The easy way to do this is to simply store all of your weapons, armor, and rings that aren't equipped beforehand then dump everything in your inventory to receiving character. Why you guys so dumb?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Poker_Star
the point being that DS1 was extremely poorly balanced and so your hether shield could carry you half way through the game with no trouble and 0 risk to you.
Don't overvalue midgame enemies being incapable of damaging you with you just you starting gear

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TechHater
Okay, will do. Haven't dabbled into magic before so I'm not actually sure what sort of damage you get without going to 60

FastChef
FastChef

@Skullbone
You didn't give me the exile pants. And I need a sword from Twin Princes, not Demon's Scar

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TechHater
Ive beaten the game multiple times. Its still best to roll through them and backstab user. I cant think of any mob i block besides dogs, and even those i only block them the first couple of times i run into them.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@FastChef
DUDE
I have it on another character lmao
just crystal out

Summon me

TechHater
TechHater

@Supergrass
I dont think blocking is shit because i use a small shield, all shields are shit with blocking because blocking is shit.

Methshot
Methshot

@Poker_Star
That's, like, the point here

And you're completely missing my point. Now post your build so I can point out what retarded thing you're doing wrong or shut the fuck up.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Garbage Can Lid
I can drop you an unupgraded Demon's Scar

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TechHater
think blocking is shit because i use a small shield

Maybe you're just shit at the game?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@hairygrape
nah..
sign is down by bonfire btw

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StonedTime
blocking in Roll Souls 3
lol

iluvmen
iluvmen

can someone tell me how to get Hodrick to Crucifixion woods?

likme
likme

@Methshot
I know what "retarded" thing I was doing: I was blocking in close range because I wanted to have a look at enemy's melee attacks, and I got used to be able to do that from playing previous Souls games. Turned out, in DS3, some enemies and bosses will obliterate you because DS3 wants to change your habits and thank God it does because it's a nice change.

What do you expect to see in my build, by the way? 10 END and a low stability shield?

@StonedTime
Dude.

Look:
I dont think blocking is shit because i use a small shield, all shields are shit with blocking because blocking is shit.

You literally cropped the quote to only include the exact opposite of what the guy said.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@PackManBrainlure
DaS1
DaS3
DeS
BB
DaS2

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StonedTime
You're seriously delusional if you don't think DaS3 was designed as mash-dodge-and-R1-to-win. They just took bloodborne and frankensteined it into Dark Souls without bothering with how the games play differently

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TechHater
blocking is shit because i use a small shield,

Why are you trying to block with a shield that is meant to be used for parries? How bad can you be?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Snarelure
Not getting your sign, just summon me again

Bidwell
Bidwell

@iluvmen
summon him while embered.
also if you're NG+, his WA does 2000 damage, so you die in 1 hit if youre not wearing havels/RoSP

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Garbage Can Lid
I dont think blocking is shit because i use a small shield, all shields are shit with blocking because blocking is shit.

"I THINK BLOCKING IS SHIT NOT BECAUSE I USE A SMALL SHIELD, BUT BECAUSE BLOCKING IS SHIT IN GENERAL"

Can't you guys understand a bit more complex sentences or are you le trollen?

Snarelure
Snarelure

i wanna try a poison/bleed build the best stats are 45 luck right?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Bidwell
also if you're NG+, his WA does 2000 damage
holy shit

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@iluvmen
Not fight Mr. Tree Balls

askme
askme

@likme
What do you expect to see in my build, by the way? 10 END and a low stability shield?

Post it so I can fucking see what you're doing wrong when it comes to blocking with a shield. If you know you're doing everything right them why are you afraid to get shit on? I won't even call you out on bad weapons and damage stats or anything. Just post it. Im actually trying to help you and will correct it.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Garbage Can Lid
1) the regular shields are not meant for parries, given how terrible their start-up frames are
2) even with small shields which are only good for parrying, anyone who's going to parry is using a caestus anyway
3) the only way to make blocking viable is to be a greatshield+estoc faggot is fucking shit

And not to mention stuff like Magic Shield got seriously fucking nerfed and that spell only lasts, what, like 30 seconds?

WebTool
WebTool

@Snarelure
30 luck as your base stat and two hollow weapons or 40 luck as your base stat and poison infusion. The bleed infusion is incredibly bad.

farquit
farquit

@WebTool
thanks i want most out of it as possible
what are some good poison weapons to do infusions? i tried the ghru spear found it to be pretty good

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
his riposte is also around 1700ish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZe8duaiD4o

Methnerd
Methnerd

@askme
Im actually trying to help you and will correct it.
Okay, I appreciate that.

The problem is, this is my PvE-only, NG+ "build", and I changed my approach around SL50 in Irithyll, unfortunately for the life of me I have no idea what stats I could have had back then, but I'm 100% sure I was using a +1 Shield of Want.

Ethereal is currently on +5.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Bidwell
@Dreamworx
@cum2soon
he's very nice to troll retards with.
sl40 in NG+, invaders will still be around that level, but hodrick does 800-1200 per normal swing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeRrDNnP9G8

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Poker_Star
His sign shows up in Crux Woods even if he dies to Greatwood.

Flameblow
Flameblow

gib millwood battleaxe build

farquit
farquit

@Bidwell
that fancy ass saber
cheap or lowly
???

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Flameblow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnf490tiyrQ

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@farquit
Yeah, it absolutely does not match the rest of the set-up but I can't really think of anything else I'd like to work with this weapon. And I love this weapon.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Carnalpleasure
Didn't to me

5mileys
5mileys

@Methshot
DUDE
GREEN BLOSSOMS
LMAO
@Techpill
fatty ahead
@SomethingNew
Try falchion or ccs. Still fancy, most cs are, but believable

askme
askme

@5mileys
Try falchion or ccs. Still fancy, most cs are, but believable
Falchion is bae and it would suit the outfit, cheers. Still, I want to stick with FS because I've grown fond of it and I love its WA.

Firespawn
Firespawn

2hand weapons only affects the damage right?
not bleed or elemental damage

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Firespawn
From what I understand, two-handing gives virtual STR, so yes, it only affects STR bonus from scaling i.e. physical damage.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Firespawn
1 and 3 yes, sort of, unless your doing crits in which case it gives a VERY small boost
2 no, 2 handing gives a flat damage multiplier that applies to everything

Bidwell
Bidwell

@askme
Don't try to cosplay a poor, low ranking soldier then. You could have a sort of deserter that picked it up from an officer's corpse

Emberfire
Emberfire

Invade
Gold medal

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Methnerd
The problem is your shields stability is actually rather low. Your endurance is really good and your STR is high enough to use better shields.

I really suggest swapping to a great shield with much more stability. If you still want passive regen I'd suggest just taking a miracle like replenishment. You could easily move stats out of dex and maybe VIT for it.

You could also think about getting a lighter and faster weapon like a curved sword, spear, or straight sword.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Firespawn
Beyond giving you a 1.5x multiplier to Str and the standard damage multiplier for two-handing, no, it doesn't affect status effect buildup or elemental damage in DaS1 and DaS3.

@SomethingNew
Two-handing in DaS2 doubles your "virtual" Str but still calculates your damage based on actual invested Str. So you could go 20 Str to two-hand most weapons in the game but you'd do shit for damage unless you actually invested up to 40 Str. I loved that about DaS2, no bullshit about only ever having to go up to 27 Str and two-handing to hit the softcap.

Snarelure
Snarelure

>>192177764
YOU'LL FLOAT TOO!

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Emberfire
??

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

How do I best cosplay a champion of Khorne in DS3?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

it's a host is hiding in crucifixion woods episode

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BinaryMan
boneshield on your back, for one

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@VisualMaster
Das rite, nigga. I never invade without my trusty obscuring ring and kiting the host just outside his view range

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Boy_vs_Girl
based on actual invested Str.
It still gives a damage multiplier which applies to both magical and physical damage as well as crits

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Sharpcharm
Okay, thanks, I really appreciate your advice, but again, I've wasted your time because I already know what I should be doing: not blocking every attack of a new enemy so I can learn their moves. That was my "problem", and unfortunately I can't go through te game again and unlearn enemies' moves and there are no more enemies I don't know.

Shield's stability and my END is enough for me to block an occasional attack, but I very rarely do that anymore because I understand that the game wants blocking to complement a playstyle instead of being a playstyle, and it promotes more aggressive approach e.g. by making large enemies staggerable and ripostable, by making bosses' heads their weak spots etc.

Just to reiterate: I think DS3 did a great job here, not only because it kind of forced me into a more fun and engaging approach, but also because it went against my habits, which means I did have to re-learn how to play a Souls game a bit.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sharpcharm
What the fuck are you on, EOS is top 3. If he's to switch to anything, what would be BKSh. Greatshields aren't underused because of the str req, it's because of the weight
@BinaryMan
Despite the latest "advances", we don't have such overdesigned pieces of shit in dark souls
I'd say Morne's or thorns armor, exile mask and morion blade or flamberge

Evilember
Evilember

@BinaryMan
dark skin + hollowing, deacon hat and shiva's chestpiece, dork swerd or flamberge, d-drang twinspears on back?

RumChicken
RumChicken

October 13, 2017
he's still playing Dark Souls 3
Why?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RumChicken
You mean someone's been continuously playing it without taking any breaks? Wow.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@VisualMaster
It's a host is hiding in literally any DLC area episode

Evilember
Evilember

@RumChicken
mfw invading anor londo and still getting decent invasions

I forgot how good this felt. Fuck DaS3

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Bidwell
I'll try to figure something out around Easterner's chest piece

massdebater
massdebater

@BinaryMan
Winged Knight Twinaxes
Carthus Rouge
Pontiff's Right Eye
Carthus Beacon

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evilember
be SL107
start NG+ human
dried finger run
absolutely 0 invasions
I'm so lonely.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@massdebater
What are the best stats for this build?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TalkBomber
I don't know about meta-level. I'm SL30 and getting invasions in anor londo just fine.

Also forgot how good poise and heavy tanking was in this game. As long as you watch out for backstabs and have a great shield, you can troll the fuck out of people as they impotently waste their stamina bar trying to break your shield guard.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@whereismyname

[sits idly as you are killed by the ballista]

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Crazy_Nice

poor little redboy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

there is any good rapier builds on DaS3 or they are all shit because greatsword users on PVP

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

why soul memory

eGremlin
eGremlin

Can anyone be a bro and help me out by dropping some rings? Just need the usual, Havel's 3, rop 3, Prisoners and Life 3. On pc, I can't wear my fashion without them :(

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@massdebater
Regular Quality build, enough magic stats for Carthus Beacon, get over 20 Luck if you can afford it (not realistic)

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Garbage Can Lid
agape ring

girlDog
girlDog

@Spamalot
Then no souls to buy ammunition

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Spazyfool
Meant for @cum2soon

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@cum2soon
40 str for mid level, quality for high. Don't bother with 66 str memes, you can't 2hand them. That's if you absolutely want to rouge them, the best build for high level would be 40 str 60 fai with dmb

massdebater
massdebater

@girlDog
cheat engine

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@girlDog
ammunition
*rolls out of the way*

If you're on PC, you can dupe CREOs and any consumables / throwables without being bunned.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Spazyfool
It's a Khorne build, of course I want to rogue it.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Dreamworx
a mechanic is so shit it forces people to cheat or savescum
some """people""" defend this

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@happy_sad
only for the 2 or so ppl who use ranged weapons/throwables in invasions

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@happy_sad
It's a fucking shame because I like Dark Souls 2 combat better than Second-rate Bloodborne 3 and merely with two lines of code they threw the whole thing in the trash.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

You know those Ghrus in the corridor between the Farron Keep Perimeter bonfire and the door that leads to the Black *nig**? They are all sitting down with their backs towards you. If you approach them with Slumbering Dragoncrest, those fuckers will stand up and ignore you because ????????????????????????

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@ZeroReborn
Because Miyazaki's a fucking hack and likes making scripted events.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@happy_sad
cheat, or grind with agape ring
Just pick one you whiny faggot.

Evilember
Evilember

@PackManBrainlure
Not really, scripted events are Tanimura's speciality. See DS2 DLC invasions.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Anyone feel like helping me kill Daddy Oceiros? Be warned I am sl 25, you will be downscaled. PC.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

what are the stats for a ornstein cosplay build?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Evilember
The fuck are you talking about

Techpill
Techpill

@Booteefool
EOS is top 3.
Its not. It has poor stability.
@Soft_member
Shield's stability and my END is enough
Your end is great. Your shield is not. Just upgrade to a better one if you actually want to block. Your current shield is terrible for blocking attacks and is only good for passive regen.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Nojokur
Set your pass to dsg, I'll have a sign down in front of his fog door in a minute.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nojokur
downscaled
i never experienced this how does it works?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Dreamworx
But Dark Souls 2 had the best ranged weapons in the series

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Playboyize
i assume they mean the unique behaviors npcs have in the dlcs

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Techpill
Your end is great. Your shield is not. Just upgrade to a better one if you actually want to block. Your current shield is terrible for blocking attacks and is only good for passive regen.
It works for me just fine because I don't hold down L1.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@VisualMaster
Will do.
@DeathDog
You will retain all your abilities, just your damage and health will be scalled down.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Fried_Sushi
I sure do love my dual-wielded mundane avelyns :^)

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@DeathDog
If you are summoned by someone who is a much lower level than you (only possible through password) things like your damage and defense will be nerfed, but not your actual stats or gear

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@GoogleCat
Avelyns
when sanctum crossbow exists
Nigga get with the times

Firespawn
Firespawn

@BinaryMan
it's not just soul level, but weapon level as well

RumChicken
RumChicken

follow sirris questline
the ending is basically her dying
uhhhh

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Emberfire
It's not just in the DLC. The whole game has incredible summon / invader AI.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

did anyone here actually suceeded killing people through mound makers covenant mechanic? seems impossible desu

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Deadlyinx
wew lad, why would I ever give DaS2 a second chance after the cancer that it was during the first few months after launch?

They had their chance for a good first impression, and they blew it.

Inmate
Inmate

@haveahappyday
What mechanic?

idontknow
idontknow

@VisualMaster
You are great user, thanks. I have to kill Champ asap to get the ring so I c an wear my full cosplay.

farquit
farquit

@Inmate
getting summoned and killing the host

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CouchChiller
AI

TechHater
TechHater

looking through all the cut content again
I still want this so bad.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@idontknow
My pleasure. If you're doing this for the Hornet Ring you could just ask for someone to drop it for you instead.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@SomethingNew
why would I drive a tuned-up car with new interior when I've already driven it when it was decrepit
you dumb

King_Martha
King_Martha

@haveahappyday
Just killing the host like a normal red is always much better

happy_sad
happy_sad

@haveahappyday
I was able to trick a few people around the time the game launched doing low-level invasions in High Wall and Undead Settlement.

The biggest issues are
1) your soapstone sign isn't white
2) friendly summons spawn where their sign is, but moundmakers will still spawn at a random part of the level like a normal invader. This makes it much more obvious that something is wrong.

Usually it's easiest to catch someone off guard if it's a noob who's mashing all the summon signs at the bonfire he can and gets distracted and doesn't notice.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TechHater
Honestly, those sandals look comfy as fuck.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TechHater
noice

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Nojokur
Still need help?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperWish
?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@RumChicken
follow [insert dark souls character here]'s questline
the ending is basically it dying

TechHater
TechHater

@SomethingNew
Nigger, you missed the best levels in the series

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Illusionz
I already helped him. And I would have gotten the covenant reward too if Oceiros hadn't done his insta-dash and one-shot me at the very end.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SniperWish
girl parties and whores her way around town in her 20s
see her again at 30
ANON PLS GIVE ME A CHANCE I'M NOT THE WAY I USED TO BE

Nope.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Fried_Sushi
Nah I don't need hornet, I need prisoner's chain. This @eGremlin
is me, but no one responded so I am trying to brute force the rings so I can wear my cosplay at least.
@Illusionz
Nah, I am at champ now. Thanks for offering.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Spazyfool
It's all very simple scripting

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SomethingNew
If you are going to spew shitty memes you might as well spew relevant ones

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TechHater
Here we go again

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Garbage Can Lid
what if one of them just spammed crystal soul spear the whole fight like real ganks

askme
askme

@PackManBrainlure
And they were the greatest summons and invaders in the entire series. What's your point?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Crazy_Nice
It really loses its impact when it happens to every single character

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Gigastrength
Agreed. It was impactful in the first game because I didn't expect that stuff to happen, but by the 2nd and 3rd game, it's just "yeah yeah hurry up and die give me your item, whatever"

Supergrass
Supergrass

@askme
My point is you didn't read what you were replying to

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
It turns you into an unstoppable killing machine that no twink can hope to defeat in single combat. It also makes you able to easily kill any pve boss and make it easy for scrubs to easily stomp over pve content.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@happy_sad
FROMSOFT swoops in
sobers the girl up
repairs her hymen
cures her of any STDs she may have
nope still dirty
I'll bet you're a virgin.

WebTool
WebTool

@RumChicken
Extremely few people die in the second game, and I liked it

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@StonedTime
It works for me just fine
then why complain that you can't block?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Supergrass
NPCs
not AI

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
From does everything they can to gimp invaders in order to "stop twinking"
From also makes it incredibly easy to make the most ridiculously overpowered twinks in the entire series, so long as they're friendlies

What did they mean by this?

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
Please read what I wrote, I explained it all.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Poker_Star
unironically a cuckold

@WebTool
This was offset by the fact that nobody gave a shit about any of the NPCs in the 2nd game anyway. Not to mention that you fail like 75% of NPC questlines by not summoning them for boss fights, for some dumb fucking reason.

The navlaan stuff was cool though.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@viagrandad
Increasing the game's lifecycle by making playing with friends easier

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evil_kitten
brainlet wojak meme
doesn't know what cuckold means
Sounds about right.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Methshot
You don't know what you're talking about. Why would I want to read your worthless opinions? I've already explained what you're doing wrong. If you don't want to correct it then that's you. I refuse to waste any more time on an ignorant loser who doesn't want to improve.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Boy_vs_Girl
But it's just the opposite. By stacking things so heavily to help handhold and carry babbies through the game, it actually only reduce's the games longevity since people are more likely to just give up on dark souls 3 multiplayer alltogether. The drop-off in playerbase has been much more dramatic for 3 than in previous games for this reason.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Trying to learn how to perfect parry champ by practice, I've beaten him a lot but always slugging it out with him and I can say this is the most boring way of beating him there is. If champ isn't a fun fight for you, I would be willing to bet it's because you parried him.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Nojokur
Please stop pretending you're thick.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evil_kitten
Not to mention that you fail like 75% of NPC questlines by not summoning them for boss fights, for some dumb fucking reason
That was retarded as all fuck, glad they removed it in 3, or rather fixed it (now YOU are the one summoned). Too bad they offset it by making the most retardedly esoteric NPC questlines.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@haveahappyday
He's the most fun for a caster

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Carnalpleasure
I didn't have much of a problem with summoning NPCs for questlines. It sure as hell beat just going to random locations in the game and talking to them in sequence, there was a level of participation and involvement.

Plus I'm pretty sure most of the complaints about keeping NPCs alive during boss fights only came from before SotFS. Lucatiel's pathing was fixed in Sinner's Rise so she doesn't just fall into the abyss anymore, and she's immune to the fire pools in the Rotten's arena. I don't think I've actually ever failed to keep her alive for her questline.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RumChicken
It was impactful in the first game
You mean Demon's Souls? I agree it went to shit with Dark Souls.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@haveahappyday
If you want boring Champ, then fight him with a greatshield instead of trying to parry him. He literally cannot do a thing to you since he's purely physical damage with just a single grab.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@kizzmybutt
You're bad not just at the game and I have no more time to waste on you. You're not worth it.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SomethingNew
Let me ask you, do you like DaS1?
Because the first year wasn't so rosy either.
At least it took DaS2 only 3 months to fix its shit.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@FastChef
Huh. Moved to Farron Keep Perimeter and it works fine.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PackManBrainlure
PVE: I love all of them.

PVP: They all suck dick.

whereismyname
whereismyname

New
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Methnerd
Methnerd

@Snarelure
That's not the issue. The issue is that I want to solo the bosses.

likme
likme

@Snarelure
The point is this
1) there's no indication that you need to summon them for boss fights in order to progress their questlines. Keep in mind that never in DeS or DaS1 was it required to do so to continue a quest
2) I, and many other players, do not like summoning for boss fights. I don't like summoning players, and I don't like summoning NPCs. I want to be able to challenge bosses by myself, but then #2 comes along and says "no bruh, you gotta summon lucatiel here and then babysit her too". That's not how I want to play the game.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@likme
Keep in mind that never in DeS or DaS1 was it required to do so to continue a quest
Boo hoo the new games do something new. Jesus fucking christ user

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