/rlg/ Roguelike General

Snarelure
Snarelure

arelgee can't into generals edition

FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34

What to Play
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/V7MzidCu

News
PCB 7.0.2 is out and it has nothing interesting in it.
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=124526#post124526

Play the OOOK.CZ comp you casuals
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php

Rogue Effect updated to v1.0
now has a save/resume feature
http://dowhilecompiling.blogspot.com/2017/09/rogue-effect-v10-and-drakefire-chasm.html

/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Roguelike Servers:

http://roguenex.us/ (CDDA, angband, PCB)
http://angband.live/ (Angband and variants, including PCB)
http://hardfought.org/ (Nethack and variants, including slex)

All urls found in this thread:
http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f
http://pastebin.com/V7MzidCu
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=124526#post124526
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php
http://dowhilecompiling.blogspot.com/2017/09/rogue-effect-v10-and-drakefire-chasm.html
http://roguenex.us/
http://angband.live/
http://hardfought.org/
http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-rlgrobin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAR0WOphUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=How_to_Write_a_Roguelike_in_15_Steps
https://pastebin.com/0ExECmUn
http://www.strawpoll.me/14147450
https://te4.org/characters/225010/tome/6edc075b-8455-4f28-8612-8f3a968938d5
Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Fucking shit, I walk away for 20 minutes and you idiots let the thread die.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

tfw too busy mapping to bump

TreeEater
TreeEater

not even halfway to bump limit, good thread as usual tometards
watch /dcss/ hit it as usual

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TreeEater
Is English your second language?

girlDog
girlDog

@RavySnake
isn't roguelike general majority euro
i feel like polskis are overrepresented here for some reason

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

lmao @ your life rn rlg

viagrandad
viagrandad

@girlDog
Is it? I always figured it was mostly ameritards.
Either way I 100% blame the shitty OP pic which I warned about but some asshole decided to shitpost anyway.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@viagrandad
american autists are wealthier so they can play games from the 90s or even the 2000s, sometimes with full color

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@kizzmybutt
It's true, I am very wealthy and often play ToME or even ADOM.
Of course I have the dlc

TreeEater
TreeEater

What should I play?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@TreeEater
Demon or Sil

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TalkBomber
A man of taste I see.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TreeEater
no pouar dda

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Ok so what is the optimal sil strategy?
I want to win this game some day, but I'll settle for making it past dlvl 5.

WebTool
WebTool

where is a link to the previous thread

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@WebTool
The previous was garbo, I decided not to link it.
It's in the archive if you want it badly enough.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@StrangeWizard
Too late, I'm fucking dead.
Way to go jerks, this one's on you.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

DCSS noob in Lair right now
Full melee retard
Should I save enchant weapon scrolls for a better weapon or use them on my scimitar of flame

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@StrangeWizard
Definitely save them. Scimitars are not the best one handed longswords and flaming drops off in usefulness after you dont need to worry about hydras. Wait for a demon blade/double sword if you use shields. Or a greatsword/triple sword if you dont use shields.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Boy_vs_Girl
Amulet of the Air or Amulet of Thoughtful Demons?
Fire res 1, SH+3 and reflect seems worse than flying, EV5, projectile thingy, light res and then the hit to accuracy, but not sure.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@StrangeWizard
always use enchant weapon and enchant armour as soon as possible
flame is a good enough brand, maybe rebrand it if you can

@Boy_vs_Girl
don't listen to this 2 int poster

@SniperWish
those are randarts. what is "projectile thingy"? you probably want that reflect amulet because inacc is bad

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@SniperWish
Air.
You can swap if you need rF, otherwise 5EV+RMSL-Inacc is a lot better than 3SH+Reflect (yes, even if you have very high SH otherwise).

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Poker_Star
Amulet of Air is an unrand and has rMsl.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Poker_Star
Are you telling me that you just use weapon enchantment scrolls the second you pick them up no matter what kind of shit you're wielding?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Stark_Naked
if it is rmsl then that's sort of tempting, maybe keep as a swap

@Soft_member
without question, especially pre-lair where +1 means a lot, but even in lair (like that poster) and beyond

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Soft_member
i dont really save anything ill use it if i need to not die

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-rlgrobin
Where do I go now
I guess I'm supposed to start getting runes but I've never gone this far before

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Poker_Star
Nah, you should Enchant aux right away in the order helmet-->boots/gloves-->cloak, but you should think twice about using EA on a body armour or shield unless it's the best option you have and you NEED the extra AC. You can still run into scaling problems in DCSS later on and die through attrition.

For weapons, I would almost never EW something that's not from the following list unless it had elec/pain:
Triple Sword, Greatsword, Double Sword, Demon Blade, Executioner's Axe, Battleaxe, Broad Axe, Bardiche, Glaive, Demon Trident, Giant Spiked Club, Giant Club, Great Mace, Eveningstar, Morningstar, Demon Whip, Lajatang, Triple Crossbow, Arbalest, Longbow.

Note that everything here starts at 13 base damage except for the demon weapons which have better delay than 0.7.
From my experience, this seems to be the base damage value at which you can reasonably dent endgame monster defenses without massive slaying or the like.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@hairygrape
helmet first when two different muts remove it

Methnerd
Methnerd

@hairygrape
helmet-->boots/gloves-->cloak
Note that I'm assuming you don't have any ego items here. Obviously that boots of running or cloak of MR+/Invis is going to be your first EA target.

Just a general guideline I follow.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@hairygrape
that is generally bad advice, since there are plenty of ways to deal with issues late game, while you're more vulnerable earlier. for some weapon classes you won't get your endgame weapon until pretty late, if at all
for weapons: in a typical game you have a ton of enchant weapon, so if you end up throwing away your +6 whip/etc in lair (which made pre-lair - where you are most likely to die - WAY easier than keeping it at +1) it's not a big deal since you'll just have a slightly less good weapon in depths, still probably raising it to +9 by zot
for armour: enchanting aux vs regular armour depends on how long you plan on keeping each, but you still want to pick one of them. good aux > good armour > bad aux > bad armour generally. only potential issue is burning a ton on, say, plate armour only to ditch it for GDA/CPA, but heavy melee late game is already not that hard and by then you'll have an evo warstash for anything too deadly so it doesn't matter

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@MPmaster
That's actually a point worth considering.
Obviously the solution is to whine to the devs to merge hats and helmets and only have antennae/horns 3 bump them off, like other slot muts.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@hairygrape
@Dreamworx
re-reading i guess we're sort of on the same page for armour, but imo the answer to
you NEED the extra AC
is almost always yes

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Dreamworx
@SomethingNew
Hmm, yeah now that I reflect upon it, I often will put some enchant into an early weapon to give me a boost.
A +6 Flaming Scim early and a +6 freezing greatsword later is better than a +3 flaming scim early and a +9 freezing great later.

As for the AC on body armour, I'll have to disagree with you in part. Yes, you need the AC, but there are so many other ways to get that from randarts that I rarely find that I need to enchant a set of completely mundane stuff to have comparable AC to randart gear until I've hit vaults and have my choice of dragon armours and ego plates.

More a matter of "there's little/no advantage in enchanting", I guess.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@5mileys
this kills the man

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@5mileys
I tried, I really tried. But it wasn't enough.

TechHater
TechHater

Damn, demon is really interesting.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@5mileys
Now that /rlg/ splatted, could this thread be considered savescumming?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Harmless_Venom
no its just a new run

iluvmen
iluvmen

what race and class would /rlg/ be anyway?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

halfling autist

Lunatick
Lunatick

@iluvmen
Halfling artificer

massdebater
massdebater

@iluvmen
draconian dragon dildo transmuter

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Poker_Star
@Lunatick
I love that we all have the same terrible opinion of each other.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RavySnake
that
terrible
Terrible would be an elf, furry, subhuman (orc/ogre/troll) or kobold

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Nojokur
hairy, weasely, dirty, manlet with an unhealthy obsession with trinkets and gadgets
not terrible
Listen, I'm glad you're comfortable in your own skin but some of us play roguelikes because we hate ourselves

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Nude_Bikergirl
tfw roguelikes are one of the few things i enjoy

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Play SLEX today! Friday the 13th will enhance the functionality of your wand of wishing!

WebTool
WebTool

@kizzmybutt

functionality
slex

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@kizzmybutt
I'll only play SLEX when Amy posts her tits

Booteefool
Booteefool

LUXZOR indeed

Soft_member
Soft_member

Is it possible to play a caster that's fun?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Soft_member
Yeah.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Soft_member
casting is more fun than melee imo

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TreeEater
Why was there no actual shitstorm about PCB 7.0.2? All we managed to do was maybe a shitbreeze, when Chris clearly should be made to bring blue mages and clouded monsters back.

Evilember
Evilember

@Lunatick
Because we can always play the old versions?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Lunatick
because we have other more competent developers. floatrand save us pls

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Lunatick
PCB really doesn't have enough of a player base for a shitstorm to happen, that along with the fact Chris is stuck in the middle ages since he has so little access to the internet.

likme
likme

Don't let Hugo the Chris apologist be the first man to win nightmare mode pcb!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAR0WOphUA

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@likme
Don't let this post bait you into playing 7.00!

Playboyize
Playboyize

@likme
typing in notepad
clicking on the mozilla shortcut
clicking on the spotify link
Ugh.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Playboyize
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc

Supergrass
Supergrass

rlg gets back up after dying
/rlg/ not a roguelike confirmed, doesn't even has permadeath

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Just new game
Speaking of, what's fun in PosChengband? Thinking about finally getting around to playing it.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PackManBrainlure
Roleplaying as an anime character. Eg, if you want to be naruto play as a ninja .

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PackManBrainlure
Tonberry/Demigod/Balrog/Klackon Sorcery Rogue/Psion/Rune Knight/Magic Eater/Mauler/Slingmaster/Ninja
Tonberry can't into mauling though iirc.
Also monster demons/giants of all types, and monster possessors.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

you can play as a dragon
Why didn't I know about this before?!?!

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

lmao previous thread died at 359 posts
I'm actually sad

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BunnyJinx
page 10 anime bumps are truly the lifeblood of arelgee

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

EZ dungeon EZ life

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Stramming nightmare android skillmaster runesword-wielder in -R 5.0.5

twitch/xxx___nightmare___xxx

My computer is boiling already

Snarelure
Snarelure

So I'm trying to compile crawl following the install instructions, but at the stage of cloning it, msy2 will not let me input my username. Pressing anything except enter does nothing. Any ideas?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I dream in ascii

Illusionz
Illusionz

Still stramming.

twitch tv/xxx___nightmare___xxx

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Don't forget, you're here forever. Even if you don't want to be.

farquit
farquit

I'm playing a sexy android skillmaster with runesword on and dumping all my skillmaster points into melee>swords , that means that even with a 0d0 -10,-10 sword I get 12 damage out of sheer stubborness, and then when I get to level 5 I drop 1 point into good luck.
Sexy has slightlyworse skill apts than lucky, but I aggravate by default in nightmare and I literally can't do damage with the -3 str so that really fucks things up.

I buy really cheap armor and auxes and then a couple tele scrolls if I can, then either pop into stronghold or start killing random townsfolk to get it to an acceptable 20 damage/round, then do thieves and then sell the sword (last time I got a really nice morgul sword I could resell for 3 K!) and buy a rhino armor to get to level 4. Then I do warg and get to levle 5 with the shield, then I start killing things in the really easy vaults of stronghold 1 and hope I don't die to an OOD spawn like @Illusionz
.
come watch the thing

Inmate
Inmate

@Snarelure
nvmind i did it. learned something new today

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Inmate
What a smart cookie.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@lostmypassword
What I wanna know now is how I make it an exe. Git froze so hard my pc froze like 3 times whole figuring this stuff out so I don't really like it sitting in the background

Lunatick
Lunatick

I have a question about DoomRl. Specifically: what does blocking mean, when traits are blocked? Does it mean you can't invest further, or that they're negated, or what?
Second, what's a fun shotgun build?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Thanks for everyone who passed by, all two of you. We actually got to level 20 before dying horribly.
I'm thinking next time I'll annonce a game I'll
A)
Do it when the thread's moving a bit more fast
B)
Actually get a little more into the game before posting the link. Nobody likes watching someone dying while grinding level 5 p's.

Got a lovely screenshot of two orcs behind a novice archer spelling "poo" though. I'll post it later.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Lunatick
If you get certain skills, you can't get others. This is either being unable to get a mastery ability because you took a normal one or being unable to get that normal one because you got the mastery. It means you can't take some super high damage mastery and also all defensive skills and the like.
Dunno, I just play melee nowadays.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@RavySnake
So like if I wanted Army of the Dead, I could not take Finesse to get Whizkid?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Darn everything works in Circus Animals just like it did online, except Vine Stalker Lignification. Either they changed it to use its own key and listed said literally nowhere or its just missing entirely. Shame since it was one of the coolest changes. Also for some reason while most races have normal stats vine stalker has 150 (one hundred fifty) magic making it basically immortal. I'm not sure what exactly went wrong with the Vine Stalker during the process.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Bidwell
Yup. If you take it army will be blocked off. If you take army then try to go back for it finesse will be blocked off.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Decide to try PCB.
Download the zip and open it.
Immediately opens a windows explorer page to a link it can't reach, then crashes the winrar browser.
So much for that then.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Raving_Cute
pcb is a bad game anyways its not fun to play as a giant dragon and have the pitiful peasents bow down to my glory as i smite then and vore them

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Illusionz
Fugg.
THanks anyway.
How do you do a fun melee build? I want some variety...
Malicious Blades looks good...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@StrangeWizard
Max brute, tough as nails, get a point or two in berserk and just rush your mastery for whatever class you are playing. The main thing is minimizing being hit and avoiding shotgunners really. Fuck those guys.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Burnblaze
Do you have any tips for surviving the early game?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
oh, and what assemblies should I use? should I wait for the chainsaw, or upgrade the knife immediately?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@GoogleCat
y-yeah, that sounds lame.
Haha.

Evilember
Evilember

@PurpleCharger
what game?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Playboyize
Always move diagonally because anything that sees you can if they want take a free hit, and this means you may dodge them
Try to fight things around corners always. They have a harder time shooting around them than you and may be dumb enough to get in melee range. Even on a non-melee build the humanoid enemies are far less of a threat in that range than anywhere else as they will try to punch you rather than shoot you
If not doing a melee/shotgun build (melee uses brute, shotguns never miss) always pump accuracy straight away to save yourself a lot of hassle
Always try to be away from barrel explosive range
Unless you are low enough to die in 1 turn, try not to heal with consumables.
Don't worry about wasting armor hp matters more
And try to think of a plan for your guy from the character creation screen. Specifically what mastery you want, wether you plan to use active dodging or just tank hits and relating to that what armor you want to make (there's an inf durability tanky one and a regenerating durability pair of boots for passive/active respectively) and if you need whiz kid or not

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@LuckyDusty
Oh you meant specifically for melee? Chainsaw. If you get berserk off you can kill any boss in the game before they kill you with that. Knife can't do that and its a waste of time modding it.

farquit
farquit

@Gigastrength
Thank you so much! Thus far, I've only been able to get down to Phobos Anomaly, only to get rekt by the bruiser boys. This was using a scout shotgun build. I've got no idea how to kill them, they always seem to destroy me before I can do anything.

@Dreamworx
chainsaw
rad.

Evilember
Evilember

I'd say the easiest build to do well on is probably plasma rifle. Very high damage without having to be super close to do it like shotgun/melee or deal with splash damage and for most of the weps constantly reloading like RL. Since you'll be using largely the same skills for Chaingun you can just use it or the assault rife until you get one. Those being +hit or +damage per hit traits and reload. And whatever mastery you want. Being able to use both ammo types and them both being generous ammo types is also nice.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Do I have to play Moria and Angband before getting into Sil?
Total RL noob here, i've only played Brogue and DOOMRL so just wondering if I need to ease into this new type

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evil_kitten
No. Sil is good enough I like it and I don't even like Lord of the Rings in general. Its just a very well made game as far as the combat goes and has very little other than the combat to distract you from it. Pretty much just stealth (which is also good) and the terrible exp sink that is smithing

Evilember
Evilember

@GoogleCat
vore them
this doesnt happen in pcb
tome wyrmics have a spell to do this
there's even a whole clan of orcs with a vor fanclub

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evilember
It does in my pcb because I use my imagination because I'm not a pleblit who can't into the beuty of ascii

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@BinaryMan
if you use your imagination for meme fetishes like that you ARE plebshit
now, if we were talkiing about puar here...

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Stupidasole
I use my imagination for everything. This dragon? Little dragon. Eats big things. Is nice.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

eating your enemies to gain their strength is cool and good
but if you use the word 'vore' it's because you're gonna draw furry fanart about the situation later and then jerk off to it

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Garbage Can Lid
That's the idea yes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

is there any roguelike that has a combat system similar to Dwarf Fortress' adventure mode?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@happy_sad
no, but there is dwarf fortress adventure mode

incursion is fairly complicated but in very different more gamey ways (it's based on dnd rules)

Inmate
Inmate

@happy_sad
Toribash is, as far as I know, the only game rivaling the complexity of Dorf Fort's anatomical simulation, and obviously it's not a roguelike.

askme
askme

@Inmate
and obviously it's not a roguelike.
Why not? It has permadeath.

FastChef
FastChef

@askme
Because it's fun.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Inmate
I just realized that game is still alive and in development. feels like a decade since I played it last. and it's still free, definitely going to go play it right now

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

They've nerfed gnolls. +6 for magic, still +8 for the rest.

Snarelure
Snarelure

If I have to say something good about 7.0, at least it keeps vault monsters in the vaults.

massdebater
massdebater

Also, fun.

Soft_member
Soft_member

arelgee SHOULD have at least one (1) win per thread.
You guys really need to stop being such casuals.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Soft_member
You calling me a casual, fuckboy?

Playboyize
Playboyize

We have officially gone out of the level 5 grinding zone and have entered the level 20something grinding zones
wow

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@hairygrape
you only finished the good half of tome, it doesn't count as a win until you otab through 5000 orcs

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TurtleCat
he isn't going to be doing any otabbing on that difficulty

iluvmen
iluvmen

@hairygrape
I suppose that counts for something.
I'm just not sure what.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TurtleCat
being so casual you think you can o tab casual
complaining we dont win enoug
have u ever thought that unlike you're casual ass we're playing hard games

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

i had dragon from at 22% cast rate at xl8 and died to a basic fucking armored orc because i wasnt paying attention

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CodeBuns
you probably died to an orc because you wasted all your xp on dragon form instead of fighting/evasion/UC, friend

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Supergrass
No we're just felids :^) The general has died before.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@RumChicken
Nah I'm playing Circus Animals. Sludge Elf not only has its amazing old aptitudes for this crap, it also has a mutation that massively destroys spell power in exchange for making spells easier to cast (similar to Gnoll in how fast it gets stuff online, but less broken since mostly your spells such) and it replaced the hp system with a stamina one where one of the options massively ups spell hunger but makes spells easier to cast. Without training transmut at all I had it at 56% cast rate. You start off with ice form at like 19%.
Despite Sludge Elves terrible stats in it, nothing actually stood a chance if I just paid attention. Early Ice Form completely destroys the entire early game. Nothing 1 v 1 does enough damage or has enough tankiness to do anything to you and the R pois shuts down half the dangerous threats.
I just tabbed too hard and died for it. Such is life.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Bidwell
seriously just play a halfling with their innate wild magic and oneshot oofs with magic dart
circus animals did crazy things to spell scaling, and even level 1 spells have no cap now

TechHater
TechHater

@Burnblaze
I only actually like transmutations lol. Maybe necromancy if they don't vanish in this

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Any game similar to Prospector?

Methnerd
Methnerd

I thought these bad boys had been [removed].

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@hairygrape
when did you first discover that you had autism

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Yo, the Amy had gotten no less than two randomly generated scrolls of wishing and they both worked despite today being Friday the 13th. However, the negative luck made the requested blessed +3 cloak of magic resistance into a cursed -3 one.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@AwesomeTucker
Ha! Why didn't you just raise your luck?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

so when are crawl devs going to finish the job and remove or rename deep elves

massdebater
massdebater

Jesus fucking christ I tried to play pcb in angband.live but it feels like I'm being stabbed through my eyesockets
not only you can't change the resolution to something a human can read but you can't have subwindows
This is ridiculous

eGremlin
eGremlin

Ice Form is a lot stronger than I gave it credit for. Even with Sludge Elf wimpy stats it can get through the entirity of the dungeon and lair with little to no issues. Then it becomes basically useless because you really need the superior defenses blade hands can let you have, which is a shame.

Evilember
Evilember

Note to self: Fuck this floor

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Evilember
D12 reapers

JunkTop
JunkTop

So how much do you need to know about a language to start making a roguelike?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@haveahappyday
They're a chatty bunch. 4 dead, a few more to go.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@JunkTop
Like 2 weeks, tops.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evilember
Nice free xp you got there.. If only you had a bit of brain to collect it

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evilember
PSG

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Reminder that Beogh is the best god

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
literally just yred

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Sir_Gallonhead
how do you play beogh?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Snarelure
same as yred

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@SomethingNew
How do you play yred?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stupidasole
same as beogh

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spamalot
fuck off

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stupidasole
hide behind your buddies. spears are good for this. its largely just necromancy except you train invo rather than necromancy. im not entirely sure why hes a thing when 99% of his powers are in the starting necro book and kiku exists

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Illusionz
small dragon
eats big things
You're a full on deviant arent you.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@RavySnake
Main difference is that yred's zombies last forever and you get some pretty good stuff like servitors, bone dragons, vampire knights, and flayed ghosts.

Life drain is also maybe the best invocation in a 3 rune game. It duplicated borgnngorngjors fairly often.

I actually quite like Yred. Have won with him twice and would be happy to do it again.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@King_Martha
Time to make my magnum opus that will change the genre, only for $4.99 on Steam EA.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Soft_member
Necromancer before they gimped it.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Techpill
beogh is literally yred
yred followers dont get names
kys

Booteefool
Booteefool

Only entered lair and already got all this crap. Lucky run

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Booteefool
Bait.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Booteefool
user, an item isn't automatically good just because it's an artifact

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Booteefool
Both of those armors are terrible and will eventually kill you. -Tele in particular is really, really bad.

girlDog
girlDog

My boots have blink on them OwO

5mileys
5mileys

@girlDog
The blink boots are dope, everything else user is carrying is fucking shit garbage except for the helmet.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

anyone played dungeonmans or rogue wizards? I know I know
commercial
but you can just pirate them

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@kizzmybutt
Dungeonmans yea. Its awful. Pretty much its class system is starting out with different stuff unlocked in the same tree they're all the same class. Combat is boring. World is boring yet insists on being a thing. Its not like The Pit which is a bunch of bad ideas and good ideas where the quality comes down to how much you mind the bad and like the good, its just bad. At everything.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@kizzmybutt
Dungeonmans is a watered down tome. Not sure about the other one.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@JunkTop
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=How_to_Write_a_Roguelike_in_15_Steps

Start now faggot. We need more than just the IA guy. Too many goons and redditshits hogging up all the glory.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

DCSS is a faggot game

lots a cucks in the community too. Take dpeg's dick out your mouth and bring back Death Knights

farquit
farquit

Name one (single [1]) roguelike that doesn't push the homosexual agenda.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

>>192256284
why did you delete your post only to add it back with double spacing?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

quit drinking and feel like shit
roguelike for this

Booteefool
Booteefool

@PurpleCharger
DCSS, it's the easiest to follow.
Just o, tab, tab tab, o, tab, tab, tab.
Repeat until dead.
Alternatively, start drinking again.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@PurpleCharger
nice bloglike, faglike

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@PurpleCharger
DDA, hobo profession

likme
likme

Think I will start a game of DDA and drown myself in 50 gallons of whiskey.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Stupidasole
most of /rlg/ can't even beat crawl
thinking they're smart enough to make a game
lmao

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@kizzmybutt
Tell us about your games/wins fag.
op fucboi will not respond to this post

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

eastern Europeans in this thread who cant afford to pay for a game

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Israelis in this thread who can't believe people aren't being good consumer goys.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@lostmypassword
DELETE THIS KURWA

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

This looks like an Interesting Tactial Situation ready to happen.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Snarelure
tfw used to love playing POWDER on DS with friends
never did win the game
decide to start playing it again
easy as fuck
beat it on my first try
not nearly enough menus or autistic little details to pay attention to
tfw nostalgia ruined

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Burnblaze
The number of commies who play DCSS is infuriating. Saw someone complain about goldfishes being removed and some commie faggot unironically replied with "the personal is political", holy fuck guys removing gold fish isn't going to effect politics at all.

askme
askme

Candy Castle:5
mfw a gingerbread monster ends up biting off my arm
have to cauterize it using hot chocolate
almost escape into CC:4
fall into a candy cane trap and get impaled by a sharpened cane
die
tfw have to start all over in from the Valley
Roguelikes fucking suck honestly yet I can't stop playing

Illusionz
Illusionz

is chutes and ladders a roguelike

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Illusionz
The answer is yes

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Illusionz
no procgen

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
what if it was

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@askme
wut ga me

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@askme
tfw still can't reach Candy Castle
tfw will be stuck in Lamprey caves forever
have died at least 100 times to lampreys now
spam enter to return to start menu after death
"You begin on an incredible adventure"
almost want to cry

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Emberfire
What the fuck is political about the inclusion or exclusion of goldfish?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Snarelure
Shut it, fascist.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Snarelure
Someone complained about goldfish removal, people have complained about removal of problematic characters and gender re-assignments, commie connected the two together and assumed goldfish guy was also sexist. I know user.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@kizzmybutt
Thinking it's hard for even a kid living in 3rd world with no formal education to use python and follow the RL tutorial on reddit

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RavySnake
was it one of those "subtle" /pol/ style posts where anyone could've connected the two together
the gender stuff is, if stupid, at least logically consistent with certain politics

Nojokur
Nojokur

@StrangeWizard
Nope, wasn't /pol/ at all. It was literally a fucking gold fish, no hidden meaning at all, the commies just saw an overlap "if you complain you must be alt right!!!"

askme
askme

@Nojokur
was it a known alt right poster
i assume this was tavern bullshit just share the thread

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@askme
Is anyone on the tavern right wing in any way at all? But yeah it was tavern posting. I dont think he was alt right, didn't look through his post history, nevertheless a goldfish is not related at all to that. I don't have the link to the thread, I stopped browsing tavern a long time ago. DCSS hands down has one of the worst communities in the world.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

tfw no new indielikes to pirate

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spazyfool
Just hangout on r/roguelikes, people will shill their not-a-roguelikes almost daily.
And most of them want shekels for them as well!

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@DeathDog
But I mean actual indie roguelikes like Dungeonmans, Midboss, and Tangledeep, not "roguelikes"

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

opinions on baroque for sega saturn?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Raving_Cute
Not a roguelike, but hey, fuck it. Dunno about the Saturn version, but I can say that the Wii version is about the same level of complexity as a Shiren game, and it's got a 90's japanese technohell aesthetic. Worth checking out as an oddity, at the very least.

takes2long
takes2long

@iluvmen
yeah thats what im thinking, it just looks really weird. like a post apocalyptic dune. i heard alot of people call it a rogue style rpg because if you die you start over again?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@takes2long
It's a roguelite rather than roguelike for a number of reasons (it's realtime and not grid based, for starters). It's got "permadeath", but there's a mechanic for banking some of your items between runs (at least in the wii version) so it kinda skirts that rule.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Shit runs today.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

New to Caves of Qud(AND rogue like). How do I attack? Should I use abilities only?

TechHater
TechHater

@BlogWobbles
You know there are free roguelikes? That you don't even have to pay for or pirate?

takes2long
takes2long

@TechHater
This one seemed interesting and that wasn't the answer I was looking for, lad.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@takes2long
Ok how about this, you know there are roguelikes that are actually finished and have end game content?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@RumChicken
J-just get to the point, m9.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BlogWobbles
FYI people are going to be unhelpful (as you've experienced already). Don't feed the trolls and wait for a sincere response (which may never come).

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Spamalot
crawl meme forks
tometist that posts one screenshot and nothing else
Amy
PCB anons go full faggot and shill normie tier streams
/rlg/ is permadead. Accept it and move on.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BlogWobbles
Refund and play something free for a couple hours, you don't know what you're getting into.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Crazy_Nice
fake news

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BlogWobbles
Move into enemies m8

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Snarelure

Gold, therefore Jews?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

decide I'll try to play nethack even though it sounds like aids
start play, 'hidden' tunnels and doors everywhere but painfully obvious so you just have to spam s to find them
faint out of hunger following no messages about hunger
random bat comes and kills me while I'm passed out

Weow, glad to be able to say it's not worth the time sincerely now.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RumChicken
You bump to attack. You really need to be able to figure these things out for yourself.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Btw fuck yall CoQ is a good game

Flameblow
Flameblow

@RumChicken
It's alright. It's no nethack or tome.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@PurpleCharger
Can't even figure out nethack
Holy hell.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PurpleCharger

Wait, you didn't see the hunger status pop up, or see it change to weak, then fainting?
Man, you're a scrub.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Remember if your game doesn't allow you to play as a girl (male), it's not a real roguelike.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@PurpleCharger
False flag. We're still not going to play your nethack tournament.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@whereismyname
Well, I've played a bit of Brogue. It's not the same attack mechanic, lad.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@LuckyDusty
First of all, that wasn't me.
Second of all, I already knew 97% of you weren't going to play it anyway.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@happy_sad
Look pal, I'm not going to lie to you. I bought qud because I'm not a filthy poor NEET with no disposable income but I haven't actually played it yet. Just figure it out and post some screenshots so we can poke fun at you.
Unless you'd rather go hang out on r/roguelikes

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@PackManBrainlure
r/roguelikes

Sorry, lad. I'm not a leddit fan.

haven't actually played it yet

B-but why user?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@lostmypassword
Because I am usually busy trying to beat sil or demon or fucking around with ToME or DCSS or just downing bottles of whiskey and shitposting on /rlg/ and just haven't gotten around to it.
And for christ sake stop calling me lad, it's been like 3 posts already.
But serious, post some screenshots so I can make fun of you.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Raving_Cute
Ok, lad

muh 13 years old joke

Sorry. Here's the 1st quest. I haven't completed it yet because I'm a total noob, let me show you some more.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Raving_Cute
And this is my character. I just rolled for a random one since idk which one is the strongest or suited for beginners.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@kizzmybutt
@hairygrape
Here's the pasta for CoQ. It's ages old but probably still has good bits in it. https://pastebin.com/0ExECmUn

Spamalot
Spamalot

Imagine if Cockmind wasn't a shitty endless death spiral stealth simulator. It might have actually been pretty fun.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@DeathDog
Thank you!

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sharpcharm
You can check the steam forums and guides for more up to date stuff. /rlg/ hasn't liked Qud since it decided to start making money.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@kizzmybutt
since it decided to start making money

Classic Veeky Forums over here.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

not again

Lunatick
Lunatick

Well fuck.
This is what I get for not using tinkers.
Where do I put the last cat?

WebTool
WebTool

Is this the /rlg/ community boiled down?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Crazy_Nice
Where do you go when rlg dies?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@WebTool
beogh
good
How is a god that is only available to a single race in the game good?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Burnblaze
Does everyone get access to nuclear weapons?

Checkmate

Evilember
Evilember

@happy_sad
I've played both of those games and i'm pretty sure it is the same mechanic
you bump dudes to attack them, like 99% of other roguelikes

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Nojokur
Sorry, can't.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

died in cocytus again

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Gee.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Lunatick
Dirty Fighting so you can actually stun things. The damage boost doesn't hurt either.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Lunatick
@Evil_kitten
Can someone explain to me why the survival tree is good?
It's almost in every build but the talents don't seem that great to me

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
1.great value
2. Invis is bs
3. Charms are STUPID good. Yes I want impossible to defend stun

StonedTime
StonedTime

@FastChef
Charms are good

Really? I almost never use them.. Maybe I should
What are some good ones to look out for, besides stun?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Need_TLC
Most of the skills give every class access to essentials like monster detection and see stealth. Charm mastery also lets you reuse artifacts that have cooldowns a lot faster than it looks. (for instance, 40% CD reduction with a 10 power artifact would make its active only cost 6, so the CD finishes in 4. Ridiculously broken with some of the good actives like the Stone Wall cloak.)

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Need_TLC
track is real handy to have at least 1 point in but you can just get it from escorts

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@PurpleCharger
@Crazy_Nice
thanks guys
Basically 1 in everything is a good starting point and 5 in the charms talent if you got points to spare?

@PurpleCharger
I have that cloak right now lol, never used it. I def gotta pay more attention to that stuff

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fried_Sushi
of course we're gonna be unhelpful if someone asks something they can just fucking google or access the info in game like ''how atac lol''

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Does anyone want to watch some more sexy android nightmare -R skillmaster

If not maybe I'm going to play some Sil
If not even sil I can probably manage to hang myself on camera

girlDog
girlDog

@Need_TLC
Its a 1 point wonder tree. 1 point in the first skill is generally enough to make stealth fuck off, 1 or more points in device mastery is great because if you aren't abusing tools you are literally playing the game wrong, track helps prevent turning a corner into death and scales so high off cun there's no real to put more than 1 point in itand danger sense is okay

Techpill
Techpill

@Need_TLC
Stealthed creatures can take off half your health bar without warning in higher difficulties.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SomethingNew
waaah. i hate depression fags

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

cunning/survival tree is incredibly common
it's also passive
possessors get all their body's passives for free
get 10+ charms mastery from most bodies
Feels good man.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@SomethingNew
Not even worth watching the last one.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Gigastrength
Hey, I'm trying out things everyone would like.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@girlDog
if you aren't abusing tools you are literally playing the game wrong

FUCK

iluvmen
iluvmen

If you can't win simply by holding tab then you are playing a fake roguelike.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@iluvmen
rls werent invented until autofight was a thing
desu

WebTool
WebTool

@SomethingNew
MuMo or gtfo

Nojokur
Nojokur

we need a roguelike with high-paced anime combat where you can nothing personal people

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Nojokur
literally wujian in trunk dcss

Bidwell
Bidwell

@WebTool
getting a third win
why bother?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Nojokur
Sounds like a job for Tangledeep.

idontknow
idontknow

@TurtleCat
nope wujan is playing a rubber ball with an awkward to use axe.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Booteefool
Autofight was in Rogue.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@BunnyJinx
2ruly a head of the times

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Nemmy Lemmy has gifted me 9 (nine) decks so far on Lair: 3. I'm only half done with it. I'm not sure why but its making things very easy

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I feel like playing TOME or DCSS, but can't decide which one.
First reply decides, you can tell me a build to use and fail with if you'd like.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@CouchChiller
DCSS with a Troll Transmuter

TreeEater
TreeEater

Time to do lair branches I guess

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize
You got it.
It's been a couple months since I played DCSS. Can't wait to get poisoned by an adder and die.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Where to next? I've done Lair and Orc. I'm a transmuter still stuck using just Spider form because I am dumb and learned Ice then Statue form only to learn Lava Orc gimmick melts them both off in like 3 turns. I don't feel like pumping spell casting to get dragon form on and I don't like blade hands so whichever place won't rape spiders would be nic

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Ignoramus
Uhh, is this the d:27 version or d:15?
not learning ice form
Son..

takes2long
takes2long

@GoogleCat
15 I guess. Maybe less. I remember it just forces you into Lair which then branches into everything else.

@GoogleCat
not learning ice form
I have it, I just can't use it. Orange Lava Orc temp removes it. Doesn't matter too much since once stuff got slow for spidder form I just started spamming Toxic Radiance and running away since that curbstomps anything not pois immune. I have no answer to poison immune outside of Nemelex though; spider hits like a joke

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Does using training dummies still work for unlocking prodigies in Tome?

Inmate
Inmate

@TreeEater
Hell

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TreeEater
I create my own imageboard solely dedicated to roguelikes (and maybe futa)

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Archaelogists can pass through permawall with their skill, Excavation. You get crush damage, but you can go through raiding vaults with impunity.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Stupidasole
Archaelogists can pass through permawall with their skill, Excavation
Good to know, but they're a pretty weak class.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@kizzmybutt
They play as weaker warriors, but they get better magic device, which is really good. Some nice utility from their skills as well.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I find them quite fun

MPmaster
MPmaster

Personally, I wouldn't play them unless I wanted to actually play with vaults on.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@takes2long
15 i guess
Press ctrl + o and check it.. Also i didnt know lava orcs do that, interesting honestly
As for rPois, thats one of the benefits of having ice form, the other is that it hits pretty hard with a bit of investment into uc, along with almost every other transmutation

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Why do people here hate cockmind again?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Garbage Can Lid
I got bored of Lava Orcs inability to use any of the fun forms (technically they can use dragon, but -2 spell casting makes getting that castable so slow its not worth it) and killed him off. So next run I actually paid attention. Dungeon is 7 floors long in CA. Then you go straight into lair and its fuck huge floors. Combined with CA's lack of any food system, instafull restore of HP/MP when everything is dead, focus mode making casting fun stuff possible earlier (although at a significant stamina cost) and fighting determining both hp and damage of phys attacks, its a much faster paced game in general.
Only problem is spell casting and its mp system, where most races start with 100 MP and spell costs are adjusted for this and raising spellcasting lowers MP costs. Anything over 100 rots you just for attempting to cast it before even asking if you are sure, but spell casting really doesn't seem to affect mp cost much at all. So higher tier spells are basically uncastable unless you get a ton of +int items and take it at every level. Spell chance already limits what you can cast so I don't get why this system is a thing.

@Garbage Can Lid
As for rPois, thats one of the benefits of having ice form,
I meant I had no answer for enemies that are pois immune.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Looks like I got 2 (two) more views while I was offline!
I'm going to start streaming @farquit
again and record it to my account so people can give it a look later on.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Oh shit wrong webm

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sir_Gallonhead
do u do commentary i may watch if u do
if its just u playing in silence i can just do that myself

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@kizzmybutt
nice pony bro

Techpill
Techpill

Technically have nothing against commentaries, but I don't have a fun sidekick
@haveahappyday
I was meaning to post the anime skeleton webm but it's 8 MB

Anyway stuff happened and I can't stram
maybe later tonight

Evilember
Evilember

Is Formicid Skald the only reasonable choice when starting a game a crawl?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TalkBomber
Modern men no longer desire difficult games. This is why good roguelikes like ToME, Tangledeep, Cogmind, even Brogue never get discussed here - because no one is actually good at them.

Inmate
Inmate

I think this is shaping up to be a good character for my first normal adventure win.
Currently lvl 16 ogre bulwark and I'm feeling OP as hell.
Just got these two items out of the vault, I don't think anything can stop me now...

Evilember
Evilember

@Playboyize
talents

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Inmate
vault

JunkTop
JunkTop

@King_Martha
@Inmate
there are people here that unironically cannot win tome even at its most notaroguelike

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BunnyJinx
should be in the berlin interp 2bh

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@JunkTop
people should be able to win roguelikes they barely know without any effort or learning curve

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Inmate
@Playboyize
@Evilember
i will never not be amused at how ugly this game is

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

There is literally nothing wrong with having fun playing roguelikes.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nude_Bikergirl
If you're having fun, it means you're playing a notroguelike

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Nude_Bikergirl
I dunno, it's kind of grown on me. But I play with the shitty ascii though.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Inmate
I just breached dorkgod's defenses, do you want horse porn or dolphin porn on your desktop

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fuzzy_Logic
Pony futa pls

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperWish
sent

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@StonedTime
He means teleport (either on artifact necks or psychoport charm)

Flameblow
Flameblow

I got another 4 people spike while I was playing for a bit before I had to go, so I'm going to do this again

http://www.strawpoll.me/14147450

idontknow
idontknow

@StonedTime
Basically all of them. Flat damage shaving early, good damage options on classes that suck at damage early and teleporting are all available just using the tool slot

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Some of you are alright. Don't connect to the ToME servers tomorrow.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Alright we got one vote for killing myself and one vote for commentary
Commentary tonight it is

WebTool
WebTool

@King_Martha
What time HoMo

Emberfire
Emberfire

@WebTool
Same time the mighty phallus of old used to stram I guess
like two three hours from now

Bidwell
Bidwell

In the old times, roguelikes used to be so much better. Millenials ruined them

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Bidwell
What?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure
Do not reply and he may lose interest and go away.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Bidwell
#MakeGrinderMaleAgain

MPmaster
MPmaster

Why is DCSS development so slow?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Bidwell
name one (1) good old roguelike
you literally cant

TreeEater
TreeEater

@MPmaster
massive rotting codebase combined with massive rotting bureaucracy
that said past couple months have been sort of active

Techpill
Techpill

@MPmaster
the 'devs' only know how to remove things

FastChef
FastChef

@JunkTop
Nethack, of course.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@FastChef
not a roguelike

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@MPmaster
Because there are only like 3 devs actively working on it at present.
@TreeEater
No, they have been really slow.
In fact, things have been quite slow since before 0.20.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Finally won Dredmor on Going Rogue Permadeath mode; Sounds edgy and hard but it's probably the easiest roguelike I've ever played. Game is okay I guess. I was expecting Reddit-tier humor but it was fine and made me laugh to myself a lot.
Mage > Warrior > Rogue
In terms of easiest to hardest playstyles. Lots of ways to break the game and while it does spike in difficulty a bit (particularly around the middle to late floors) it's overall not too tough. What pisses me off though is that you basically need to always take the Tinker/Smithy routes when playing melee because a lot of the weapons and armor lying around are total shit. Health regenerates extremely slowly so you need to eat a lot for health regen and this is also why I think rogues are the hardest to play. They have a small health pool and little available armors (most of them nerf your nimbleness which is a main stat). While you can invest into the dodge tree it takes precious skill points and exp rates really start to slow down after 5 levels. Also you can't attack or move diagonally in melee but you can with spells and ranged which is absolutely fucking retarded so they instantly outclass melee players. You can also find really high-level bolts early on for some reason. I don't think I should be finding Bolts of Squid which is the strongest bolt besides the Bolts of Mass Destruction on floor 1. I give it a 7/10 but I can see how people might say 6/10. The type of game where you beat it once and never touch it again outside of fucking around for a few minutes.

FastChef
FastChef

Sometimes I wonder why Coolthulhu even tries.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@FastChef
Time to just stop tracking upstream entirely.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Now see here, this isn't how it's supposed to happen

girlDog
girlDog

playing games for virgins

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

OMFG YES

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@girlDog
Heard you talking shit like I wouldn't find out.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@girlDog
If you can pay for a roguelike you can pay for a hooker. Sadly /rlg/ can't do either.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberburn
There's plenty of ways to find free open source sex online, if you're willing to pass up AAA graphics and other features.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Ignoramus
and other features.
Mainly, the vagina.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@StonedTime
Just use your imagination. You can picture I and O however you want to.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Bidwell
The problem is that I see a lot of | but there's no O

hairygrape
hairygrape

@cum2soon
Did you read the manual? Or you can find helpful tutorials on YouTube.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

How do we stop the ToMEbros /rlg/?

RavySnake
RavySnake

It's late enough.
We strammin', with PCB-R with horrible commentary.
Come see.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
read the rules fool

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Deadlyinx
let me guess you died from the doublezap?

Snarelure
Snarelure

*Teleports behind you*

Pssh.... Nothing personal, gramps.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Snarelure
avenge my last character

iluvmen
iluvmen

@BunnyJinx
Fuck your character, I'm 2 runes away from my first legit win.

tfw Tartarus with only N++

This is what I've been saving my scrolls for

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@iluvmen
i hope you splat in the most humiliating of ways, then

idontknow
idontknow

@lostmypassword
I need your help bro. The last one is the worst.

I've heard of a novel idea to lignify yourself and blink across all the tormentors. That sounds dumb.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@idontknow
that sounds like a good way to get trashed by scarabs and summons

happy_sad
happy_sad

@ZeroReborn
The issue is that I used my last 5 mut pots to try and rid myself of blurred vision 2 to no avail, so even though I have 11 blink scrolls it's not a done deal. I've lost better characters than this in Tomb:3.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@happy_sad
that makes the idea even worse

farquit
farquit

@idontknow
I've heard of a novel idea to lignify yourself and blink across all the tormentors. That sounds dumb.
Even in Circus animals where Lignify is massively buffed, its too weak

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@idontknow
You can't blink or teleport while you are a tree, dude.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Quality game design.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@idontknow
cash in. Going home with 14 can't be worse than splatting

TreeEater
TreeEater

Thanks for tuning in for the thing
We've actually had 2 people on at the time, it was pretty fun
first time I do a commentary, I hope you guys enjoyed at least that, since the furthest we ever got was level 7! I tried to put some helpful tips about PCB inbetween the deaths, so I hope it was a learning experience for everyone involved too.
If there's anything that could have been improved, mike couldn't be heard etc, tell me

as always, like and subscribe and tell your >friends about the turbo neet autist that plays weird games!
please don't

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TreeEater
i tried chatting and it worked on my screen but not yours for some reason. good site. i laughed when you called it "the opposite of the implying arrow" or something similar, for future reference < is "less than" and > is "greater than"

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
You're even more of a faggot than the guy who spent 5 threads posting about how he wanted to be rammed in the ass by a horse. Please stop.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@StrangeWizard
shh tomb is sleeping
imo go east and read fog once they wake up

Spamalot
Spamalot

@StrangeWizard
PEPPER YOUR ANGUS FAGGOT

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@StrangeWizard
SHudda have silence scrolls!

TechHater
TechHater

@Illusionz
greater than
How did I even forget that
that's advanced levels of silliness

And sucks that I couldn't read the thing, that's a bummer, I'll try to give it a look

eGremlin
eGremlin

HNNNNGGG MINE

takes2long
takes2long

stream poster is also a GMT+2 euro (scandinavian?) btw so burgers are innocent... this time

@TechHater
they were shitposts not worth the trouble

@eGremlin
don't be a pussy

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

stream poster is a yuropoor
Is this supposed to be surprising? After aussies yuros are the dumbest fuckers in the developed world and they love to flaunt it everywhere.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StrangeWizard
Just use shatter and instakill them all

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CouchChiller
4/5 frogposters would approve

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

First 15 runes without savescumming. After 5 long years, I am free.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Fuzzy_Logic
savescumming EVER
Satan indeed

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fuzzy_Logic
now try MuMo

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fuzzy_Logic
You done good satan
You done good

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Fuzzy_Logic
brettu good smepai san chna

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@takes2long
stream poster is also a GMT+2 euro (scandinavian?)
Not watching the stream, but yeah, probably

Emberfire
Emberfire

im using a lab entrace as my main base and storage, and somehow i managed to remove 1 indoor tile back to dirt but the others seems to stay as "flat roof"
the dirt tile is a space that can be used with a solar panel?
how do i make reliably spaces inside the building that can generate energy with a solar panel?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@CouchChiller
There are rules?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Beat Insane on first attempt ever! Also curious if people would like a guide on the Rogue Class
I usually theory craft/read a lot before playing games. I was able to create a near invincible rouge build that literally tanked high peak without bothering closing portals on Insane.
This was on Adventure mode and I did die quite a bit but mostly due to my noobness to how the game functions. (Suicided in water when drowning early on because I use an auto-clicker and didnt realize I was partly in water. Not knowing the mantis summon had a ranged atk, Hitting 24 quickly and prompted to enter crypt when all things inside were 45+ died 2 times in there.) Etc etc.
My first time playing Insane if I did rougelike I would not have learned as much.
https://te4.org/characters/225010/tome/6edc075b-8455-4f28-8612-8f3a968938d5
That is the character vault, I can answer any questions on my build and my reasoning on why I chose what. Also I can create a small guide if people would like.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Raving_Cute
/vg/catalog#s=indie

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Raving_Cute
Write it and I'll put it in the pasta.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Raving_Cute
So you played without permadeath? Try with it and then write again

Illusionz
Illusionz

@kizzmybutt
And with an item vault. Tometards WILL defend this.

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
not permadeath
carried over items
wow i wish i too could be this good

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@viagrandad
I did a quick rundown of what nightmare mode entails but really even I didn't know there were rules

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Raving_Cute
nu-insane was a mistake

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Raving_Cute
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST UNLESS YOU HAVE BEATEN NORMAL ADVENTURE

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@DeathDog
ive only beaten normal rl ;_;. then i stopped playing because tome isnt fun

Methnerd
Methnerd

@DeathDog
do not reply to my /rlg/ post unless you have not beaten this specific non-roguelike

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Fried_Sushi
Roguelikes aren't supposed to be fun.
Stardew Valley is fun, roguelikes are serious business.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd
have not beaten
fuck. i'll get you next time tometards

WebTool
WebTool

@Methnerd
not-a-roguelike meme
Nethackfags will defend this shitpost

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methnerd
tome isnt a roguelike because i cant otab my way through it

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

wheres nethack man when you need him

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Just filter "not-a-roguelike" and "non-roguelike". Nobody likes these shitposters

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@WebTool
@RumChicken
no permadeath = not a roguelike. it's so simple even tome players can understand this

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Carnalpleasure
Put roguelike
Rare appears
be shitter
Lose
TOME ISN'T A ROGUELIKE!!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Reminder that nethack has an amulet of life saving and is therefore not a roguelike according to stupid people's definition

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@lostmypassword
Put roguelike
Rare appears
be shitter
Lose
what the fuck? can you try again in english?

viagrandad
viagrandad

this is why i play tome desu, not any of the rougelike bullshit, y'all on some shit

FastChef
FastChef

@Carnalpleasure
It's literally as much of a roguelike as you make it. And the self-proclaimed "roguelike veterans" of /rlg/ can't even beat it at its easiest LUL.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TreeEater
pcb is fun :_)

Methshot
Methshot

How come this is the only Roguelike with good music?

TechHater
TechHater

@Spazyfool
most rare item in the game is the same as literally infinite lives or getting free lives by default
Your argument makes no sense like the dcss felid one

Roguelikes have permadeath

Flameblow
Flameblow

i think tome is a game worth discussing, let alone a roguelike

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@TechHater
most rare item in the game
can be randomly generated on dlvl 1
Ok.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@SomethingNew
I don't see a contradiction here.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Methshot
Because roguelikes dont have music.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
"good post"

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot
Tangledeep desu.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@New_Cliche
the berlin interpretation forbids music

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

------------ SHITTERS WHO CAN'T WIN EASY EXPLORATION BELOW THIS LINE -------------------

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TalkBomber
FUCK YOU STR YOUR GAME IS SHIT.
SHIIIIIIT!!! I PAED AM AND DIED IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OP.
NO FOOD CLOCK FUCK YOUUUUU!!!!!!!
BAN ALL TOMETURDS NOW!!!!

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Methshot
taneldeep has the best music in this or any genre :))))))))))))))

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@GoogleCat
That's because you play nethack and therefore are not capable of intelligent discussion.
Saying ToME is not a roguelike because it has a non-permadeath mode is as retarded as saying Nethack is not a roguelike because it has an AoLS.
I hope this clears things up for you.
t.plays nethack and tome and enjoys both

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BlogWobbles
t.plays nethack and tome and enjoys both
both of these games are rotting your brain. here let me help:
tome is a roguelike on roguelike mode
tome is not a roguelike on adventure mode

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Why doesn't anyone talk about Tangledeep anymore?

Techpill
Techpill

@Nojokur
Alcohol, Veeky Forums, and video games have been rotting my brain for as long as I can remember.
And besides, what kind of fag would play on adventure mode?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PackManBrainlure
the dev/viral marketing shitposter moved on
maybe it'll get shilled again by the time it actually gets finished

@Methnerd
@TalkBomber
fuck off falseflagger tometards

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@VisualMaster
Oh yah.
OK, you win this internet argument.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BlogWobbles
you are too much of a brainlet to get my point.

It could even be the rarest item in the game if you had a chance to start with it, as long as the probability of that is low.

You can only get Geryons Horn in DCSS in exactly one place very late in the game, yet it is a common item as it is obtainable 100% of the time ( I think)

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What the fuck was that
I'm filtering tome now
We were having a quiet discussion and then you just had to start shitposting
Is this how you have fun

Methshot
Methshot

@Raving_Cute
What have you done user? Are you happy now? Please never open that box again

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Booteefool
Whatever, by the time I've ascended I have like 4 or 5 of the fucking things because poly-piling is so stupidly OP.
@LuckyDusty
I'm sorry, it @Raving_Cute
's fault because he posted his win and it sent arelgee into a rage because >tome isn't a roguelike on adventure mode which it isn't but that's not really the point

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Good talk guys, same time tomorrow?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@LuckyDusty
It's going to get lonely without us, user.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@viagrandad
Another fking pedophile in TOME what a surprise. Why is this game filled with child races (dwarf/halfling) furries (yeek) and white supremacists (shalore) just to appeal to the depraved dev team? Let's not forget the orc breeding pits which was just some guys weird forced breeding fetish write up.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@StonedTime
implying manlets are human

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

so serious question, has anyone here beaten ToME on madness roguelike? T2 dungeons kill me everytime i bother trying

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Need_TLC
Mex, but I bet he save scummed.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Harmless_Venom
Creepy fuckers.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Emberfire
They obviously are anthropomorphic this is just an excuse to get around pedophilia/age of consent laws. TOME needs to be shut down and the devs arrested for what they've created.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Need_TLC
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
Give me another month or so to not be so burned out on tome and i'll probably finish the job

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Gigastrength
@Emberfire
@StonedTime
@BlogWobbles
@Emberburn
@Methnerd
@TalkBomber
the state of /rlg/ right now

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Gigastrength
Wow, I have never seen it that way. We should inform some game journos about this, since they are sadly too bad to get past the first level in any roguelike. This will be the next big scandal.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Deadlyinx
Get gud. TOME is the Dark Souls of roguelikes.

FastChef
FastChef

@Nojokur
Wow, you quoted everyone else's posts and linked an MS paint image! What's the next step of your master plan?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Nojokur
You're part of the problem normalizing pedophila, furries and racism.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@viagrandad
@FastChef
You're part of the problem of normalizing /rlg/ being worse than /v/ and unironic retardation being
just bantz xD

Techpill
Techpill

@haveahappyday
since they are sadly too bad to get past the first level in any roguelike
It's a good thing we're talking about TOME then.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@haveahappyday
I have emailed most major publications but none of them have replied. They must be in cohort with DarkGod and the TOME devs otherwise they would have been exposed and arrested already.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@hairygrape
Pic related: you, and tomebros living in your head rent free.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@PurpleCharger
Try winning Madness instead of shit posting shitter.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PurpleCharger
This general is immune to your shitposting.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@hairygrape
Yeah it's not funny pedophilia is a serious issue and it often shows up in these kinds of ways as a subtle signaling to other pedophiles.

DeathDog
DeathDog

We need tummyposting back.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@DeathDog
general infested with low quality no effort posts already
"lol we need the cancer that is weaboos back, it'll definitely improve the general"
fuck off

likme
likme

@DeathDog
I don't think it can fix nu-/rlg/ with memes alone.
It's beyond
do not reply and it will go away
phase and full in cancer mode, where retards reply to retards and not replying no longer works.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

>>192353071
you cheeky bastard

FastChef
FastChef

@Flameblow
weeaboo website
complains about weeaboos
spells weeaboo wrong
There's a reason why the japanese boards are by far higher quality. Weeaboos keep the worse and more numerous shitposters like you away.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@likme
This user is right. How the fuck do we stop these tomebros destroying all we hold sacred?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@FastChef
Looks like a child. I wish these TOME shitposters would stop it with the pedo shit.

farquit
farquit

@Illusionz
Why are normalcucks such brainlets with low effort low quality posts?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@FastChef
Unrelated reaction image and REEEing about how this is totally a website for anime autism instead of anonymous discussion. That's our weaboos alright.

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
I don't know user, it sure looks like a drawing to me.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

genso wanderer english translation on PC never fucking ever
Why even live?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@likme
I'm not sure i can make this one into a roguelike meme

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@happy_sad
the red boxes contain all the best boards on the site
Really activated my almonds there, reddit.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Reminder that there is nothing wrong with paid roguelikes if you aren't a pathetic weaboo NEET who spends their entire life posting their disgusting pedophilic porn stashes in public. Go out and earn some money you losers.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@farquit
Because they don't understand US user. FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEE

Methshot
Methshot

@RavySnake
ok

hairygrape
hairygrape

@RavySnake
Why is this even an issue when you can pirate anything?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@hairygrape
Rlg is too dumb to pirate and unironically cares about autistic shit like the "spirit of the genre"

iluvmen
iluvmen

@RavySnake
tfw bought tome just to support my boy darkgod
twise

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@RavySnake
go out and earn some money
when autismbux exist
Someone had a tough work week.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@RavySnake
If this isn't you then you don't belong here

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Is it just me or evasion is absolute crap in dcss compared to AC?

Techpill
Techpill

@Gigastrength
Look it's the TOME dev team. This is what I mean they lay out all in the open like this as a joke or a sub-text. It's their way of communicating and you will be shut down one day.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

>>192353071
instantly deleted
So does this confirm janitors did the shitpost and this user exposed him and now they try to cover it up? Otherwise I can't explain how the shitpost that opened the floodgates for shit wasn't deleted.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@SniperGod
Of course that isn't me. I'm very successful and the $30K I got to develop Tangledeep was a nice bonus.

WebTool
WebTool

@SniperGod
29
neet
is ''well on his way''
???? at that point hes long past failed.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@iluvmen
supporting a game with forced orc impregnation fetish writing

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@w8t4u
supporting a game with disgusting pedophile devs that are dumping their collection here to try and silence discussion of them

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
Evasion's more useful for ranged and magic. 40/5 and you'll get eaten alive by bolts while 25/20 or 20/25 is ok

girlDog
girlDog

@w8t4u
I just realize we had an orc-impregnation guy once in here.
Is it possible that darkgod shitposts in here?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Raving_Cute
Not quite that bad but still worse because its simply not as reliable. Generally how it works out unless its something like CDDA where equip can be broken and your evasion gets so retardedly high you never get hit.
Going Spider form and taking dex at every single level can make you near invul early on, but then it falls off because it becomes very hard to add more EV. AC is much easier to keep raising.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@kizzmybutt
false flag

cum2soon
cum2soon

Why are there so many animefags who play roguelikes? Don't you have better things to do like jack off to Sakura Dungeon or Hunnie Pop?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

people unironically linking to reddit
now "controvery" about tummyposting and pulsating orc vulvae
So are we being raided or what?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@girlDog
Tome devs are noted animefags
They definitely post here
Especially DG he doesnt actually work on his game and probably just shitposts about it instead

Techpill
Techpill

@ZeroReborn
seriously, what are the odds? How many people actually have an orc fetish and are interested in roguelikes at the same time. This might have actually been him

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@cum2soon
Not like an "anime" character is the /rlg/ mascot or anything.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Techpill
grey is the writer for TOME and the person who wrote out his orc forced impregnation birthing 100 vaginas thing

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Garbage Can Lid
The /rlg/ mascot is Sigmund you ignorant newfag.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Garbage Can Lid
Get this shit out of here roguelikes are not anime.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Garbage Can Lid
Awoo is a whore and is posted everywhere. Our true mascot is MuMo if anything.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Ignoramus
tfw our mascot it at risk at becoming a transgirl anytime in the future

I think this is not smart. Many of his friend already changed their gender, so nothing is stopping him from doing it too.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@VisualMaster
Probably has something to do with a lot of the best roguelikes being japanese.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Garbage Can Lid
sorry im not a faggot, i dont remember electing this mascot

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Dreamworx
Grinder (male) was an upgrade.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Raving_Cute
Pic not related of course. Japs literally can't into roguelikes without giving them shitty metaprogression systems, even before western nu-roguelikes started being made.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Ignoramus
Maybe back when DCSS wasn't shit.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RumChicken
So what's your favorite roguelike user?

farquit
farquit

@LuckyDusty
hating on literally the most innovative take on the genre in over a decade
Opinion discarded. Go back to your tolkein/angband ripoffs fag.

askme
askme

Chad daddy biskup is getting modern animations, tiles, tons of new content every day.

With his arm healed, every day biskup is on the forums he is full of ideas and life.

UI, new content, graphics, music, gameplay? DEPTH? can you say the same.

DCSS is dying cucks, the age of ADOM is here.

Techpill
Techpill

@VisualMaster
DCSS v. 16

RavySnake
RavySnake

@VisualMaster
Probably IVAN.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@cum2soon
Why are there so many anime fans on an anime website, what a mystery.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@askme
Ah AH Ah... HackLike Kusoge ADOM compete with GOTY Tangledeep - ADOM become dumb down for Steamshitters and become nonroguelike but Tangledeep embrace it - Tangledeep already have animations, tons of content, and appealing characters while ADOM have nothing haha! Maybe "Chad" here should break his other arm so he doesn't embarass himself making roguelikes any more!!!

TechHater
TechHater

@VisualMaster
I love them all equally besides TOME, it sucks

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
@askme
can't we all just get along?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Can someone explain to me what exactly is wrong with the current release of crawl? Why did it used to be better? Can you provide specific examples of changes that were for the worse?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

that funny meme man haha!

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
nu-crawl is unironically better and i don't miss anything that was removed
i just wish they'd update faster

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Sir_Gallonhead
pic related
Hi there darkgod.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Carnalpleasure
@Booteefool
@askme
What emotion is his funny face trying to convey? A lack of style and grace?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Sir_Gallonhead
Stalkers, god classes, and crusaders for starters.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@New_Cliche
NOW IM ANGRY

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

imagine the kind of person who has a biskup folder on his hard drive

Inmate
Inmate

imagine the kind of person who has an anime folder on xir hard drive

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Remember Traps and Doors? Remember castable haste? Remember evocable haste? Remember cTele?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

yeah, those were shit

Skullbone
Skullbone

Bring back Sludge Elves. Bring back Mountain Dwarves. Give Ogres their maces back.

TechHater
TechHater

@Stupidasole
implying crawl was EVER good

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
@Stupidasole
all of those were overpowered, tedious, dumb, or all three

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Stupidasole
Obligatory reminder that haste was nerfed all to shit just because Dicks was able to whip the Lernaean Hydra to death with it.

Spamalot
Spamalot

good future removals include cblink, sticks to snakes and centaur

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Supergrass
I guess they better remove everything other than MuMo from the game for being overpowered then.

Afterward they should remove MuMo as well because it proves that literally the entire game can be beaten just by exercising enough tedium.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Good future removals include the entire DCSS playerbase. ToME owns this general now.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Stupidasole
Yea because I'm pretty sure CA has all of these. No Temple though for some reason, which is kind of annoying

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

there are people here that unironically enjoy the weaponised media that is anime and try to shoehorn it into discussions about roguelikes

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
good hyperbole but that still doesn't make haste or ctele balanced spells

Evilember
Evilember

Oh it turns out I've been raising only attack speed and not damage in CA because for some reason speed isn't part of weapon skill anymore and I just assumed that meant damage isn't too. No wonder everything becomes really tanky eventually. Takes all the way until past lair for anything to be tanky other than elephants even like this though, UC too strong

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@farquit
fuck off minmay didn't you go to ruin tome instead

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Spamalot
Sticks to Snakes is comedicly OP. You could probably clear the entire depths if you had enough arrows. But then again summons in general are stupid as hell.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Dreamworx
/lite/ won

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@farquit
So why is that a reason to remove them from the game?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Spamalot
It's the "waah tome can't be a roguelike because i have no self control" argument again

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TurtleCat
Snicks to Snakes and Nemelex Cards are the only fun summon in the game desu.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@VisualMaster
wasn't it minmeme who exposed the whole tome backdoor thing? what a hero

@TurtleCat
its the low level ones in general that are a problem, many just need to be higher level or have XXX-style drawbacks and they'd be ok

@Stupidasole
that depends on what you want a game to be. either you think it's ok for a game to have blatantly imbalanced components or not, it's more of a design taste than some objective metric
maybe haste/ctele could've been salvaged with some reworking (doubtful) but removal is better than leaving them

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

MiBe has let you ungabunga through the game since release
"It's okay because not everything is intended to be challenging"
dogshit race designs like Gnoll
"It's okay because not everything is intended to be strong."
fun, unique spells that people enjoy using that's above average in power
"DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW"

Tavern shills. Not even once.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TalkBomber
Forgot my pic

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

When do Spriggans get removed?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Raving_Cute
MiBe has let you ungabunga through the game since release
dogshit race designs like Gnoll
stuff you pick at the character screen, optional, difficulty levels basically

fun, unique spells that people enjoy using that's above average in power
more like: boring, obligatory spells that you have to use if you want to play seriously because they're so good

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Soft_member
difficulty levels argument
It's literally ok if dcss does it.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Ignoramus
having challenge starts is bad
ok

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Soft_member
stuff you pick at the character screen
More like: boring, obligatory bonuses you have to use if you want to play seriously because they're so good

obligatory spells
Stuff you pick at the skill level screen, optional, difficulty levels basically

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Ignoramus
But Sil does it too and that is also okay. Having strong races/classes is different to having OP shit that makes your entire run trivial and encourages you to play badly.

eGremlin
eGremlin

the assumption is that players, like in every other roguelike, pick a start/difficulty level, then play to win using whatever they can. this is really not complicated and not controversial outside of the anti-dcss complaining squad

@Bidwell
More like: boring, obligatory bonuses you have to use if you want to play seriously because they're so good
no, see above

Stuff you pick at the skill level screen, optional, difficulty levels basically
no, see above

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Gigastrength
spell that literally just makes you statistically stronger, if you find it, is bad for the game
but races that make you statistically stronger, on a guaranteed basis, are perfectly okay
Really presses my tabs.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Flameblow
spell that literally just makes you statistically stronger, if you find it, is bad for the game
but races that make you statistically stronger, on a guaranteed basis, are perfectly okay
this but unironically

Evilember
Evilember

@massdebater
Welp time to kms

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@New_Cliche
t minmax

askme
askme

@eGremlin
the assumption is that players, like in every other roguelike, pick a start/difficulty level, then play to win using whatever they can
The original difficulty setting in Roguelikes are conducts, where the player willingly abstains from using resources they're given. Finding a powerful item or spell that boosts your run is half the fun in roguelikes, you tavern shitting redditor.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@likme
nethack

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@askme
Conducts originated from nethack players though, and that isn't a roguelike. Real roguelikes should just have explicit difficulty/permadeath options like ToME and ADOM.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Evilember
It's okay because she's hundreds of years old.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Sir_Gallonhead
It depends on what you want from crawl. Lots of changes are good for player convenience but end up making the game easier or less involved. The big one here was removing victory dancing, actually, and I'll mention autofight because it's literally terrible.

Also they have no idea what they want to do with the game and are just bumbling around so they have something to release because the tournaments are the only thing a lot of people care about any more.

have a weeb

farquit
farquit

Wow you guys are on a roll tonight.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@askme
I do agree with you there. The devs are pushing for crawl to be a sort of communal game, I think. They want people to see that you won using this or that race/class and be immediately impressed, rather than then asking "but did he use haste wands? Scrub"

RavySnake
RavySnake

@PackManBrainlure
he's an insufferable SJW, no thanks

@askme
nethack has starting roles of varying difficulty, good try though
i do like conducts and wish crawl tracked them, as long as they were more interesting than "don't use the top 3 best spells"

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@King_Martha
tournaments are all people care about anymore
I think that further reinforces
@Booteefool

They don't want tournaments to become about who got the OP item that trivializes the game.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Booteefool
there are gods like chei that already fit that role

massdebater
massdebater

@farquit
This thread has been tainted by shitposting and we need to reach a new one ASAP.

FastChef
FastChef

@AwesomeTucker
What role?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@FastChef
hasteless conduct

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@massdebater
@farquit
You guys want to talk about something else go ahead.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@New_Cliche
What kind of drawbacks were you thinking of? Punishments for letting your summons die? Draining on summon?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TurtleCat
Sure, let's talk about _________Vanilla Bagel___________

eGremlin
eGremlin

@New_Cliche
maybe X could've been salvaged with some reworking (doubtful) but removal is better than leaving them
with some reworking
I thought that was their job, scrap the whole fucking game if it's too much of a bother to develop then, goddamn slackers.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Never used Hydra Form before. I didn't realize DCSS had VORE :D

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@kizzmybutt
the absolute state of DCSShitters

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TurtleCat
something in that direction, so you don't just mindlessly spam them for every fight. different drawbacks or limits for each. maybe limit casts/floor for stuff like lightning spire
i like some of the mid-higher level summons - forest, malign, haunt, infest (not technically a summon), XXX - they're strong but situational. keep vanilla summons too but without dumb stuff like level 4 ice beast spam

@eGremlin
most of the game is fine

Bidwell
Bidwell

@RavySnake
nethack has starting roles of varying difficulty
Good thing that was never the point, just that conducts are a old and completely valid difficulty setting for roguelikes, which you just admitted agreement to.

"No haste" is a perfectly good conduct and is preferable to removing a classic mechanic from the game entirely (except of course monsters that still have it, because everyone knows that powerful monster-exclusive spells is such a well-liked DCSS mechanic)

Hell, people already actively perform conducts in DCSS to this day in the form of MuMo, so you can't even claim that backgrounds erase the role of conducts.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Bidwell
Good thing that was never the point
not only is that not true, but it wouldn't matter if it was, because they do have varying difficulty levels and have kept them for many years.

just that conducts are a old and completely valid difficulty setting for roguelikes, which you just admitted agreement to.
i never said they weren't? and you typically pick your conducts at the start of the game.

"No haste" is a perfectly good conduct and is preferable to removing a classic mechanic from the game entirely
crawl doesn't track conducts and nobody plays with them, so it makes no sense to design around them
haste isn't even fun, the proper way to use it is to perfectly pace your movement and attacks so you never get hit, which is funny when killing bosses but tedious when used throughout the entire game. even if crawl had conducts i'd be ok with it gone because from a gameplay design sense it sucks

Hell, people already actively perform conducts in DCSS to this day in the form of MuMo, so you can't even claim that backgrounds erase the role of conducts.
the only non-meme conduct that exists outside of /rlg/ is the set of players who always pick chei, if you count that.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
haste isn't fun
Pressing O and tab is so much more fun than playing an active role in avoiding and dealing damage.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Perception confirmed dump stat.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CouchChiller
actual tactical melee combat (what your post is trying to imply) > bump to attack (tab goes here) > execute the same series of tedious steps every time where you just have to count timings (haste goes here)

TechHater
TechHater

@RavySnake
and you typically pick your conducts at the start of the game
You're not required to. You're also not required to stick to them throughout the game. You can say "fuck, I'm going to starve, guess I need to stop my vegan conduct" at any time. It's a completely flexible system which is why it still exists no matter how much fags like you try to bury it while refusing to dedicate the 5 lines of code it takes to implement ingame.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Firespawn
I like how completely ingenuous you're being when your post is accurately summarized by "I think tab is more fun than haste kiting".

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure
"playing an active role in avoiding and dealing damage" implies a lot of things that haste kiting isn't

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TechHater
Honestly I suspect people would rather they were locked in so they couldn't break the conducts by fat-fingering into a newt.

And let me tell you that 'w' and 'e' are uncomfortably close to one another when picking up a cockatrice.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TechHater
i never even disparaged conducts, just said that crawl players don't care about them, so the game isn't designed around them. they're also secondary to backgrounds, which nethack does have, and cannot be changed on the fly.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

inferior nethack niggers and dcsshitters arguing with each other about "soft difficulty levels"
meanwhile tome just has actual difficulty levels and it's the deepest, most interesting roguelike around
How does he do it /rlg/? How does he manage to be so based?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Poker_Star
I can't decide on my favorite ToME difficulty level. It's a toss-up between "Roguelite's Delight" and "Exfiltrate My Entire Hard Drive To Hackers"

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Carnalpleasure
If you learn how to extract and re-insert the text that needs translation, I'll do it.

askme
askme

@VisualMaster
the malware is a casual filter to ensure that you arent a code illiterate faggot

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

You niggers need to chill.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@askme
What are some other roguelikes with educational gameplay?

Methshot
Methshot

@Snarelure
Nethack since it involves a lot of wiki reading.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Is it possible to understand Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup without having read the complete works of Karl Marx? Or is Das Kapital sufficient?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

If this post gets 4, tome gets recognised as the roguelite it is and moved to /indie/

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Fried_Sushi
Looks like we're here to stay :^)

massdebater
massdebater

I've been on a Nethack kick for a while, and I want to try something a little more fun. ADOM used to be my go-to, but it feels too vanilla. I would go with PCB, but I don't see many youtube plays of it, which is typically my number one source of getting into a game.
I don't want another flavor of Nethack, but I want something similar to it that doesn't feel bland like ADOM. I don't know why but DCSS looks dull to me.

Inmate
Inmate

@MPmaster
I usually just pick MiBe and o/Tab/evokefeet until bored
Not too much reading required.
But I assume to "understand
most roguelikes requires some (a lot) reading, whether it be a wiki or in game descriptions.
@Spazyfool
we're (1)

cum2soon
cum2soon

@massdebater
No roguelikes will scratch your nethack itch like nethack. But try demon, sil, or tome

RumChicken
RumChicken

two that stick out are Omega and IVAN. can one even be successful in either of these games? like, are they able to be beaten?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

How do recharge skill/scrolls work in PCB-R ? I remember from the heng days recharge had a chance to destroy your item, but wands and staves didnt regenerate charges back then.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@cum2soon
demon reminds me too much of dragon warrior monsters, which i overdosed on as a child, sil, why not just poschengband? and tome reminds me too much of mmorpgs with the cooldown shit. feels like a false balance method, and also it seems like it's completely combat oriented. which might be why DCSS turns me off.

Supergrass
Supergrass

TOME 4 is the best roguelike ever.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RumChicken
the only unbeatable roguelikes are slash em extended and tome (on madness)

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperWish
Is sil a bloated grindy mess?
You're right about the others but they can still be fun

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@FastChef
if i want something smooth and polished af, i'll just play ADOM, i want a little bit of unbalanced bullshit going on, I want to feel like I often don't have a chance and need those unfair deaths to ruin my 6 hour straight run.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@lostmypassword
Then play IA.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RumChicken
The original IVAN dev called winning strategies "bugs".

happy_sad
happy_sad

@lostmypassword
I would actually say once your past the very early game, even with the weakest classes, ADOM is actually very "fair"

With proper game knowledge once you get past the very low levels your character can be prepared for any problem, and with preparation you wont have many if any "cheap deaths"

RumChicken
RumChicken

@RumChicken
IVAN
genuinely hard
IVAN is the opposite of good design when it comes to difficulty. It just requires learning tricks, reading wiki, avoiding bad design, grinding efficiently and exploiting bullshit.
For many versions, you could get the "super ending" just by mustard-gassing Petrus to grab his ball and ascend.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I'm sorry guys, I'm trying to get my free, open source, fun roguelike developed but I'm just a idiotic drunk nethack player.
send halp

girlDog
girlDog

@happy_sad
no, you misunderstand me, that's why i think ADOM is a bit bland, but is the more polished Roguelike in my consideration, it's beatable by pretty much paying constant attention and when you die, it's mostly fair, in roguelike standards. it's just very polished. which is why it's bland to me at the moment. I sort of want something ridiculous, and what
@RumChicken
@Lord_Tryzalot
these guys say, appeals to me, it sounds nice that there's ridiculous bullshit in these games and that they're unbalanced. not that nethack is completely unbalanced, but just the right amount, that fun zone, if you know what i mean, i don't want to be sitting around just grinding forever and yawning to death.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Why do people even use tab? Isn't it better to target monsters yourself?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
At least we aren't /sc2/. I like to think I'm personally responsible for putting them out of their misery since the mods started nuking them very soon after I starting complaining.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@MPmaster
give rlg a couple more months of tome autism and it will probably be worse

Emberburn
Emberburn

fuck it, nethack flavors it is

5mileys
5mileys

@Playboyize
Tome makes me feel like I'm playing an MMO. I don't like it. I like DCSS though.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Emberburn
Like slex?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberburn
dynahack for a more vanilla flavor or dnethack for stupid crazy out there try incantifier tourist
I told you nothing scratches the nethack itch like nethack

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Emberfire
Amy no

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Emberfire
ohohoho, no. god no. that's not even nethack anymore and you know it.
@BunnyJinx
hey, thanks for the tips.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Playboyize
A couple months ago /rlg/ couldn't even keep a thread together once the dcssfaggots bailed.
But now the thread's stronger than it ever was before.
Of course fake news spewing loosers like @Playboyize
will try to spread their propaganda but it amounts to nothing.
/rlg/ is truly a melting pot
Roguelikes really are the patrician's choice and shitposting about them is absolutely the pinnacle of the human experience.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@MPmaster
Holy shit and I though our general was sad.
Gook moot really should just nuke Veeky Forums.

girlDog
girlDog

@hairygrape
Gookmoot will literally never do anything.

@w8t4u
/rlg/ needs to take the tomepill. Their game is dead, ugly, malware and nonroguelike but they can still find material to shitpost about with it nonstop. Only a few dcss posters surpass them.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

You're stuck on an island for 10 years without internet. What roguelike do you bring and why?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@lostmypassword
Nethack so i can experience trying to beat it without spoilers.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Nethack since it's the only one I can win since I've already memorized the wiki.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Spazyfool
@PurpleCharger
based nethack posters

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spazyfool
@PurpleCharger
nethivemind

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

why do dcss devs keep changing major things for little reason? is it just that each one feels like they aren't leaving their mark otherwise? Nethacks, Angbands, etc all are able to keep their core vanilla games steady for decades at a time in terms of how almost everything works, with major changes only happening very rarely or in actual forks/branches for devs who get the urge to break new ground. But in DCSS every other fucking week there's a huge "well it used to go this way but now that's removed, oh also that god works totally differently now, oh and we're caving to this source of complaining about topic/mechanic X" etc etc

one of the major reasons I refuse to play more than ~1 annual game of DCSS is this bullshit "It's all about ME I'm the best and what I did totally made the game matter now when before it was dross look at ME ME ME" dev attitude

hairygrape
hairygrape

@PurpleCharger
@Spazyfool
So I should get into nethack then I assume

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@hairygrape
yeah especially because the annual devnull tournament is coming up so you could participate in that

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@VisualMaster
But all of the three (3) roguelikes in active development, using very generous definitions of roguelike for cdda and tome, do that as well. Development is either stagnant or it's autistic.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@BunnyJinx
It's not like chess stops being interesting just because they don't change how knights move every five minutes though

JunkTop
JunkTop

I wonder who the only other nethack poster in this thread is.
Really makes me wonder.

Methshot
Methshot

Literally nobody plays chessRL though.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BunnyJinx
The only major reworks ToME got were on ancient classes that had almost no identity to begin with, and CDDA getting reworks like DCSS would imply CDDA devs doing anything relevant at all and we know that obviously doesn't happen.

Methshot
Methshot

@lostmypassword
Dwarf Fortress

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Methshot
They have their own general for a reason.
Speaking of which, how is their general?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Deadlyinx
That would be a better argument if chess was actually interesting. Hardcore chess autists are far more depraved than roguelike players can ever be.

SniperWish
SniperWish

tab is acceptable gameplay even when it makes up 90% of a background's experience
ctrl is unfun tedium and cheese especially when combined with speed enhancers
spriggan is totally okay tho
When did this general become so fraught with shitters?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Need_TLC
No idea. I only dabbled in the game and quit because it was easy and felt too much like working. But of all the games to dedicate your life to it seems like a good choice.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@SniperWish
spriggan is totally okay tho
spriggan and centaur are both unfun tedious cheese, thankfully they are limited to the background selection screen

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Dreamworx
And speed boosts are limited to intentionally skilling, learning, and using them.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
Why hasn't Sp and Ce been deleted yet?

Evilember
Evilember

@DeathDog
crawl does not have conducts and nobody plays with them

@cum2soon
that's a great question
i think a lot of the old timers have a soft spot for spen

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evilember
Playing a shit race instead of a good race is a de facto conduct.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evil_kitten
that's not what a conduct is, try again

Soft_member
Soft_member

@lostmypassword
play Sp
literally cannot eat meat
not a conduct

Techpill
Techpill

@Soft_member
(You)

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Soft_member
Yeah, you have to watch out for those royal jellies or you break vegan.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Soft_member
Please don't even pretend to be this stupid.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@lostmypassword
game offers you race/class choice for your character
depending on race/class choice, your options are limited in a way that affects difficulty
the only advantage to playing a shitty race/class is the point advantage
Literally a conduct.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evil_kitten
You don't know what a conduct is, please stop posting.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Skullbone
How about instead of screeching autistically you provide your personal special snowflake definition of conducts.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Skullbone
refute his point by outlining the differences between what he's describing as the features of a conduct and the features of an actual conduct

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TreeEater
Isn't it kind of weird, though, that Crawl players don't care at all about conducts and the game doesn't even recognize such a thing?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Methnerd
Conducts require making a conscious decision not to do something, rather than the game making that decision for you, and that triggers crawl players to no end.

Note the repetitive emphasis on "the player should use EVERYTHING they are given" in this thread. They literally don't want to make decisions, they want a game that plays itself by only giving them the exact options they need.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Methnerd
Some of the tournament banners are effectively conducts.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TurtleCat
@Sir_Gallonhead
A conduct is a set of limitations - rules outside the normal limitations of the game - you place on your own behavior in-game once the game starts. This after you create your character.

massdebater
massdebater

@Methnerd
@MPmaster
Number of runes, meme gods, etc are also sort-of conducts.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@BunnyJinx
How is character creation not part of the game?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Just a friendly reminder that you share a board with "people" who need the concept of conducts literally spelled out for them.
@BunnyJinx
Please don't respond to idiots.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BinaryMan
How is double clicking "nethack.exe" not part of the game? Is playing NetHack vs DynaHack a conduct? Is being a tiles player a conduct?

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
How is it that you need to explain to some anonymous retard that choosing an archaeologist is not that same as forgoing meat or playing a pacifist?
1/10 since i responded.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Fuzzy_Logic
literally
Figuratively, redditor.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sharpcharm
can't into words
Fuck, maybe roguelikes aren't really your speed.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@BinaryMan
He's right though. Better double down.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Soft_member
@Sharpcharm
This thread is full of people who spend all day playing alphabet games but don't even know what words mean.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Fried_Sushi
@Methshot
Look at that, indignant shitposting immediately. Almost like they're triggered that this simple fact BTFOs their entire argument.

Your name, character, and class are the first things recorded for your run. They affect the points you're awarded in a tournament context. They directly affect your gameplay ingame. A decision offered to the player, within rules defined by the game itself, that directly impacts all of these things. How can it possibly not be part of the game?

Do you also consider choosing stats on level up to not be part of a run?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@ZeroReborn
he (you)
@Evil_kitten
This thread is full of people that don't even play anything and just post inane bullshit meant to trigger somebody. See @Burnblaze

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Burnblaze
Your name, character, and class are the first things recorded for your run.
Nope, the game is. There's just no way getting around it, choosing to play a particular Nethack fork is part of your conduct.

askme
askme

@massdebater
Yes, sort of. But where are the 'normal' conducts? With all these people playing, why is nobody doing pacifist runs?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Burnblaze
being a white privileged male in a first world country technically qualifies as part of my run

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

launch DCSS
game is loading
Loading complete, press any key to start
press any key to start
start
START
press a for "any"
be at the main menu
according to tavern shills, you are not yet playing the game at this point

King_Martha
King_Martha

want to beat dnethack
lamashtu fucks me to death every time
Seriously, I've made it to end game so many times and this cunt just absolutely wrecks me.

FastChef
FastChef

@Methnerd
@askme
Pacifist runs aren't possible, lowest number of kills around 250.
Don't know why conducts never took off, I guess between number of species/background/gods and challenges such as speedrunning that was enough variety.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Stark_Naked
@AwesomeTucker
Neither of these things happen within the game. The more false equivalence shitposts you make the more you prove me right.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@FastChef
"Challenge" races fill in for conducts. Additionally even good players have trouble pulling off 20+ streaks whereas in Nethack, good players can have streaks of 60+ no problem.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Emberfire
caring about being right
Jesus christ you are a sad individual.
Much more so than I originally thought.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@FastChef
Couldn't be that conducts were never supported within the game itself and that anything remotely conduct-worthy was just removed outright instead. It's just because DCSS devs do such a good job that nobody wanted conducts, oh and MuMo or tournaments don't count :^)

Seriously though, imagine how much DCSS could have evolved if in all the fucking years this game existed the devs focused on lateral content development rather than altering everything they didn't like about the game. It has the most development activity in the entire genre and it's still the exact same game it was back in 2010.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Emberfire
But I am a white privileged first world male while playing any game. How can you refute this?

girlDog
girlDog

/rlg/ has now been shitposting for 7 hours straight
Tis a glorious thing to see

cum2soon
cum2soon

@MPmaster
@LuckyDusty
Good to know that DCSS apologists are why the threads have been so fucking cancer lately.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@cum2soon
Imagine being this wrong about anything.
Can't even begin to think of what you'll be crying about next.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@cum2soon
You're not getting serious responses because you're attempting to redefine community terms with clear and established meanings.
Conducts are a NetHack thing by the way.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@New_Cliche
Do you get extra points for doing challenge races?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fuzzy_Logic
There's a chicken and egg problem here. If nobody who plays the game cares about conducts, trying to force a conduct feature and use it as an excuse to keep poorly balanced items makes no sense.
Is there actual demand for conducts outside of tournaments or a few /rlg/ posters?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@iluvmen
So they're just derailing the discussion over semantics. Either way, they don't want to acknowledge the fact that the first game-relevant decision you make is your race and class, not whether you walk at or away from the halberd gnoll.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@girlDog
The near inifinite patience of a bunch of alphabet soup simulator playing autists on board the stagnant sinking ship that is the roguelike genre.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@eGremlin
Does the game even keep track of points anymore? Either way I bet there's no racial multiplier anyway. For tourneys (which have their own scoring mechanisms and conducts for bonuses) scores are normally given seperate for each race/class combo anyway. Which makes sense to me, rather than trying to quantify how much of a handicap being a human is vs a minotaur or how much of a bonus troll wizards should get or w/e.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I won as MiBe. What should I play next? I'd like to try out spellcasting.

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
You keep trying to introduce your own incorrect definitions of things and saying anyone that knows better everyone is >derailing the thread when in fact that autist is you.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@iluvmen
Because that's completely irrelevant. A "conduct" is not understood as any game-relevant decision, but ones you make during and after your first turn, after you have created your character.
Any attack on "but when does the game actually start?" has nothing to do with the actual meaning of "conduct".

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Gigastrength
Nethack Orcish Wizard

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Gigastrength
Play MiBe again. You've proven that you know how to win with it, and as this thread has made clear doing anything other than the most optimal gameplay is not allowed.

likme
likme

Jesus Christ stop forcing this fucking pointless argument about conducts we get it you think your game is superior to other game.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@girlDog
Did we get mentioned somewhere? The last few threads have been much worse than usual.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Gigastrength
Gargoyle Earth Elementalist

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@likme
Can you please link a post next time so we know who you're talking to?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Sir_Gallonhead
Dude. The shit that got removed was not fun. Please stop this.

WebTool
WebTool

@SomethingNew
Well it's the weekend, so children and normalfags are out en masse. The posting style seems very indicative of reddit to me though.

likme
likme

@Gigastrength
DEFE and SpEn are the standard advice for easy spellcasting races. Gargoyle EE and MfIE are also pretty good, as is anything transmuter or necromancer.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@kizzmybutt
I'm talking to all of you fucking spergs

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@SomethingNew
The last thread died because >tometards, so now everyone is out full force pushing their own special brand of autism.
This is just one theory of course.

5mileys
5mileys

@SniperWish
MiBe has never been fun yet it's not going anywhere any time soon.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@SniperWish
I WANT MY MOUNTAIN DWARVES BACK. WHY. WHY DID YOU TAKE THEM FROM ME

cum2soon
cum2soon

@CouchChiller
Who argues about something so inane?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@cum2soon
Gee I wonder

takes2long
takes2long

@likme
DEFE is considerably harder than those other 3 combos. I have no idea why it's constantly recommended for beginners, they last thing they want is a fragile character that specializes in close range magic.

5mileys
5mileys

@Bidwell
They weren't fun. Sp and Ce and Demon "RNG Human" spawn are fun, but Mountain Dwarf were not. So they were removed.

Techpill
Techpill

@Snarelure
Yes but specifically which spergs because I am clearly not one of them.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@5mileys
Demonspawn actually is fun though

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Supergrass
Not as fun as Mountain Dwarf.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Are we allowed to talk about Roguelikes yet, or are we still in the time slot reserved for shitposting?

likme
likme

@5mileys
Who the fuck are you to decide what is and isnt fun.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Bidwell
For quite a while it was realised that MD, HO and Mi are too close to each other than is good for well-differentiated variety. In other words, developers agreed that cutting a species of the three would be an improvement. This was not urgent; that’s why it isn’t announced on the 0.10 development plan or anywhere else. However, it is also not a big change, so when we got the details ready in a session or two, we commenced with the wipeout.

First, theme. Hill Orcs are sacrosanct by Beogh’s protection. Even if you don’t like the orc god, there is no way we would get rid of HO as a player species. Choosing between MD and Mi, the lot hit the former. The reasons are less forcing than with HO, but are reasons nonetheless: Mi has a monster equivalent whereas MD has not (the monster dwarves are deep dwarves, akin to deep elves being the monster elves). Mi has an ancient mythos behind it (Minos, Crete, the labyrinth) as well as a portal vault in the game. MD on the other hand is the archetypical Tolkien-style dwarf, which in my book is a severe demerit.

Second, aptitudes. Removing a species does not happen in empty space. It might have impact on nearby species, and it certainly did so here. A table of the old and new aptitudes for Mi, HO and old MD is at the end of this text. The summary is this: new Minotaurs approached MD in certain areas (e.g. Armour is 2, also Stabbing, Traps & Doors, Evocations). Hill Orcs got additional magical competence.

Third, to dispel a myth. We didn’t use winning rates, or number of games played in order to make a decision.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Supergrass
Wrong.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Techpill
If you can't see the sperg in the thread, then you are the sperg.

@Boy_vs_Girl
It's shitpost eternity.

Playboyize
Playboyize

When exactly did DCSS devs decide to become the authority on what is the correct type of fun, anyway? I like kiting as melee for all the same reasons I like kiting as ranged. On what grounds was it decided that melee specifically needs to be "diceroll against the opponent until one of you die, no foot evocation allowed unless you're outright fleeing" in particular was problematic?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Boy_vs_Girl
Nah we're good now. Next thread will be shitposting free I promise.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Supergrass
What was fun about MD vs minotaurs? Other than the sprite being different of course.

@Boy_vs_Girl
You can talk about whatever you want, be the change you want to see user!

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@likme
The fucking person playing the game? Who the fuck are the devs to tell me what is and isn't fun? Are you actually mentally handicapped?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Playboyize
When exactly did DCSS devs decide to become the authority on what is the correct type of fun, anyway?
All game developers do this. They have a set of preferences and design ideas and develop their games to meet that goal. DCSS is open source, if you don't like it just make another fork.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Gigastrength
I still find it hilarious that old Nemelex and so many other gods get scrapped while Beogh, the most worthless deity in the game, is considered sacred. DCSS devs are fucking morons.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@GoogleCat
Why do they have to cater new versions of the game to your tastes, specifically?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Supergrass
My tastes specifically? None of the things I've complained about are unique. DCSS devs' ineptitude is a very well-known problem and the prime reason why they've fallen from grace in a genre with literally no new development.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@lostmypassword
I was honestly considering fucking around with the crawl source but politicing with the crawl dev team sounds extremely unfun. But hey if somebody here made a fork, I'd love to contribute.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Carnalpleasure
genso wanderer is an english translation of a ps4 port of the third "fushigi no gensokyo" game
THAT one will be on PC never ever but minute on google found a partially-complete translation patch for fushigi no gensokyo 1 (which is indeed on pc)

Techpill
Techpill

@Dreamworx
fallen from grace
According to whom? Some shitposters on /rlg/?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Illusionz
Google, for starters.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sir_Gallonhead
they took out pizza

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sharpcharm
recharge in pcb has two variants "recharging" (as from scrolls and most item activate-for-recharging items), and "*recharging*" (as from spells and a few items like the sorcerer's stone)

normal recharging requires a source and destination device, and just moves mana from one to the other. the destination device is perfectly safe but the source might get blown up.

*recharging* uses the player's sp bar as the source. it still transfers at a rate of 1 sp in player = 1 sp in device so you can't combine it with e.g. Eat Magic for shenanigans. it has no chance of going wrong but it costs shitloads of mana (a wand of rockets has several hundred sp, which you can see by *identifying* it)
blood mages use hp, leprechauns use money, and classes without an sp bar can't use it at all

5mileys
5mileys

@lostmypassword
there is no strategic benefit to using tab but it makes shit easier on the player because dcss is a dumb bad game where you will need dozens of attacks to kill packs of nonthreatening chaff enemies

whereismyname
whereismyname

@5mileys
Maybe you should use weapons and spells that don't fucking suck. Christ. I'm sick of this "DCSS is bad" meme. People in this thread used to play practically nothing else.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

DCSS has been in development for over a decade
bump attacks still comprise 90% of the melee combat
Japanese porn roguelikes have better melee gameplay than DCSS. Think about this for the second: a ripoff of a game that had a decade of development that has been developed for another decade and its combat is so dated that someone's fap material surpassed it.

Techpill
Techpill

@viagrandad
but politicing with the crawl dev team
How is that relevant? You want to fork crawl, you just do it.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PackManBrainlure
Melee skills are definitely a necessity for good roguelikes that emphasize combat. Tabbing isn't a problem in ToME or Demon specifically because the combat revolves around skill usage.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
Thanks.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I hate you shitposters and what you represent.

/rlg/ has always been a fun general for me to hang to, it's been one of the only two places I used to hang out on Veeky Forums and I've always loved being here, from the moment I first discovered roguelikes and beat my first one. I've always tried to do my best and break new personal records, even though I never managed to be as cool and collected as other multi-talented players which are in many ways better than me like spicerack and elliptic and many others that never bothered to take up a name, but I can't stand looking at the state of the thread.
It just makes me sad.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Friendly reminder to not respond to crybaby, not-even-playing roguelike, kiddies.
Go play dcss, or nethack, or tome, or literally ANY roguelike and then post runs here instead of whining like a faggot.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

This too shall pass.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Playing Gnoll Transmuter on Akrasiac, name is PrismShank.

likme
likme

Haven't played DCSS in maybe 2 years, should I play: OpAs, MeFi/NaFi/FoFi or TeAE.

Also open to Vine Stalker of some stripe, I haven't 15 runed one yet I don't think.

Is this new amphibious race fun?

farquit
farquit

Shitposting, shitposting never changes.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@likme
Play Gnolls

girlDog
girlDog

@likme
Gnolls is the current flavor.
They are pretty much ez mode.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

in ice cave
demon variant with reaper at end guarding randart troll armor
barely kill it
Damn that was tense and dumb. There was the Trident of the Octopus King in there, too.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

prox's lucky foot removes possession aftershock

TechHater
TechHater

i didn't want to be a gnoll so i made a VSAs instead

i forget all the commands fuck!!!

how do you check character screen? also how to add exclusions to the map?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TechHater
press ?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
NANI?!

Evilember
Evilember

It is morning in most of euro, why aren't you faggots posting more pcb?

Emberfire
Emberfire

too busy dying before reaching wargs

DeathDog
DeathDog

Fuck it I can't wait anymore, I am making a new thread

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

New thread, now play some god damn roguelikes
/vg/thread/192403549#p192403549

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