Etrian Odyssey General

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Everything EO (References, Music, Art Books, etc.)
https://pastebin.com/cdfQmt11

EOV
http://atlus.com/etrian5/
http://sq-atlus.jp/sq5/

EMD2
http://sq-atlus.jp/sfd2/

EOV releases October 17th for NA (Digital for EU), November 3rd for EU.

Previous Thread:
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http://atlus.com/etrian5/
http://sq-atlus.jp/sq5/
http://sq-atlus.jp/sfd2/
http://3ds.titlekeys.gq/
http://waifusims.com/EOV/skillSim.html
https://exhentai.org/g/332056/6bb46cbe23/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ogo6N3stQ
cum2soon
cum2soon

@lostmypassword
eww

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@lostmypassword
I got through EO1 and EO2 for the most part with combat medic.

Is there an equivalent in EO5? With potatoes?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@lostmypassword
Holy shit what happened to Raquna's arms...

Playboyize
Playboyize

/vg/thread/192078561#p192165247
4kat masurao is pretty crazy, and has some synergy with barrage pugilist, but will need support from the dragoon

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Poker_Star
That's not all that's wrong with that picture

hairygrape
hairygrape

@haveahappyday
there's an endgame staff with 950% damage caduceus but you wouldn't run that on a potato

SniperGod
SniperGod

@lostmypassword
that fucking goblin body on canada

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Poker_Star
Or her mouth... I feel like I need to post Canada to make up for this atrocity.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SniperGod
She drinks a lot or beer

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

when will minami star draw the space salad

SniperWish
SniperWish

Any suggestion for Hippogryph on Expert?

Groups around 23, one good poisoning tears down its hp by half but my 10/10 concussion blow has a really bad proc rate to prevent it from healing 1500 when it raises its hands.

What do?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

DOMO DESU

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Sir_Gallonhead

ayylmao is for hug, not fug

Supergrass
Supergrass

@SniperWish
you max out thunder fist like a good punchbot
also magic

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@happy_sad
I wonder if the japs have done any fanart of her with eyes.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@lostmypassword
My god. What the fuck were you thinking, man?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Poker_Star
@SniperGod
@5mileys
Who the fuSSQ cares about Canada? Ricky the Dicky looks cute in that picture that's all that mattress.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Anyone rip the english voices?

farquit
farquit

@cum2soon
@haveahappyday
@Poker_Star
@SniperGod
@Raving_Cute
I guess I'm blind guys

Firespawn
Firespawn

I'm looking for Etriam Odyssey general

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Firespawn
I'n sorry but it died.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Spazyfool

But dumgeom RPG is torever.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Firespawn
have you tried vita general?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Firespawn
Etriarn rnachine broke

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SniperWish
I did it with a fencer chasing the warlock and hound. I think. If you do enough damage, it's guard should break

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@BlogWobbles
MADE FOR FUCKING RAPE

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I've looked at the skillsim but i still cant figure it out. Is phantom swords fencer a viable tank?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@BlogWobbles
What would her rape babies look like

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@AwesomeTucker
You should hang here more often, user.

Dodge fencer is pretty great until enemies start abusing AoEs.

Emberburn
Emberburn

mfw after two years and 55 in-game hours I finally beat EOU2 story mode
that ending
Holy shit was it unsatisfactory. Maybe I just didn't have the right conneciton to the cast after such a time gap, but ending it on 'team rocket blasts away' wasn't much of a smart move.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberburn
They wanted to sequel hook it but then it sold like shit because it released right next to pocket monsters

Booteefool
Booteefool

How do I build a tanking beast in the original EO2 on ds?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Booteefool
You can't, they are shit.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Booteefool
have the rest of your party be beasts, protectors and landsknechts

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Booteefool
You spam dominate and torpor and hope that nothing ever actually attacks your party

iluvmen
iluvmen

@GoogleCat
So no 3U with different cast after 5 western release?

farquit
farquit

@iluvmen
it's coming

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@farquit
Well, at least something.
Have an old ass photo.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@BlogWobbles
I normally do hang here pretty often. I took a I've looked at the skillsim but i still cant figure it out. Is phantom swords fencer a viable tank?
break from browsing /eog/ so i could avoid possible spoilers, but its left me clueless as to which parties/classes are viable yet unorthodox

likme
likme

@Firespawn
what could've possibly been spoiled in a game like this

farquit
farquit

is rover doggo healing good throughout the game

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@likme
isnt the 6th stratum a spoiler or something about the game?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@likme
finding out out that the secret to yggdrasil were the friends we made along the way

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Stupidasole
not killing your friends

5mileys
5mileys

@w8t4u
fuck off dagda
the only thing i liked about you was your voice

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

How do Wraith Passives interact with multiple Necros?

not sure how to assign SP on this triple Necro meme team

iluvmen
iluvmen

The follow-up chance in One-Two Punch is the same for each binding punch, right? Or does it decrease like Chasers from previous games?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@5mileys
xander mobus has the best range i've ever heard from a english va

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
each punch is rolled for separately, no decreasing chances
chains abide by chaser logic though

StonedTime
StonedTime

@SomethingNew
the wraith mastery passives apply to the wraiths they summon themselves

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

15F

I had forgotten how awful this graveyard was.

idontknow
idontknow

I'm halfway through 2nd Stratum and I've decided I want to replace a party member with another class. Is there a quicker way to catch them up later on, or should I just grind it out now?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@idontknow
at the end of second you get a thing to raise people to level 20

Soft_member
Soft_member

So what's the character limit on legendary titles since some people got their hands on EO5 early?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Help I cant quit making ailment parties even though I dont want to

I dont wanna use dragoon though and I gotta keep us alive somehow

WebTool
WebTool

Now that EOV has leaked, I'm going to play it.
However I never played IV. Should I start with that or just not worry?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@WebTool
You're better off not playing it. Go with V.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@WebTool
i don't like 4

5mileys
5mileys

@iluvmen
@kizzmybutt
Roger that anons, thanks

Emberburn
Emberburn

@WebTool
IV has an airship and a cool overworld. It also has this cutie instead a potato faggot selling you stuff
Nene is also not in the game
Objectively a better game

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

How can I complete the first floor of the first stratum ? I think I need to open that locked door at South-West but where's the key ?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Emberburn
while i miss my shopkeep fuck the airship desu

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stupidasole
Why can't I build a tanking beast?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Burnblaze
Fuck the airship
No worries, you're allowed to have shit taste.

5mileys
5mileys

@Deadlyinx
you don't need to enter that room, just visit thee whole map, man

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Burnblaze
3 had a boat
4 had a plane
We needed a car in EO5. Having separate dungeons spread across the world felt way better.
5 cute girls driving across a continent, exploring dungeons and killing stuff seems like a great game. Kinda sounds like a decent final fantasy 15

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberburn
Potato faggot is a bro and doesn't speak like a retard.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Illusionz
Steam punk EO when?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Emberburn
IV has the cutest characters in general.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Ignoramus
.
Ange, Beato, Chise, Dorothy, Princess
exactly 5 girls

JunkTop
JunkTop

Somehow managed to beat Undead King with this trash party setup at Lvl 35

Hygieia's Bowl and a clutch Chain Blast by Lili saved the day.

TreeEater
TreeEater

what is a fun team that uses masurao and necromancer? Does the heal from Life Exchange fall off later?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TreeEater
1kat masu and necro duo

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@StrangeWizard
I can do that this afternoon if you really want them.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

How do I even use the necromancer second name? Besides popping things with zombie powder she can't do much before finishing all her TPs.

5mileys
5mileys

@lostmypassword
When can I go full Memesurao

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Im scared to play any non-4 game now

how will i survive without infinite TP on everyone but 1 character, instant encounter clearing+passive full healing after every battle and calm breath spam with near infinite burst meter in case i fuck up

I might actually have to get accessories too without wiglaf and kirjonen feeding me crap the whole game

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@5mileys
I give. I'm pretty damn sure I visited the whole map, grabbed the soils and all.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Deadlyinx
the stairs are in the bottom right room and also where the fuck are all your walls

TechHater
TechHater

@Harmless_Venom
I found the exit to 2F yeah, but am I supposed to paint the walls ?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Deadlyinx
Hurr I won't draw walls xd
How could I miss the stairs :,(

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TechHater
Of course you are

Emberburn
Emberburn

Which one should I start with if I literally just discovered the games baka

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Deadlyinx
He isn't drawing walls, or water, or painting under doors
RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TechHater

There's an option in the settings to change the automap to "Full". Do that.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Emberburn
mistery dungeon 2

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Emberburn
4.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Emberburn
3

Inmate
Inmate

@Emberburn
First Wizardry.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Raving_Cute
@Poker_Star
@BinaryMan
@Inmate
Damn, alright, guess I'll wing it after sussing them. Cheers

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

/vg/thread/192078561#p192141756
You can change the order in your guild under formation (where you put your party together).
Select a member and press left to get back to the member list. Then you can switch them around.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@farquit
You might want some support but if your defences are strong enough it will suffice.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberfire
You need some sort of defence and if you don't want a dragoon for whatever reason ailments and binds are your best bet.

Methnerd
Methnerd

man the healing early on in this game feels weird.

wish it was a hybrid class like monk from 3 or atleast
didnt require 6 levels before it got a line heal

likme
likme

@VisualMaster
Their Loyalty is bugged in EOII.
If they guard another member they use that member's defences with no regards to buffs or anything.

So if they guard your alchemist, they take massive damage and likely die after a few hits. passively, every turn.
And you need Loyalty for many of their actually good skills.

Beast was luckily fixed in EO2U but in EOII it's a mess.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Crazy_Nice
Sacrifice -> Gates of Hell -> Fair Trade

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Emberburn
EOIV is the easiest but it is pretty different from the rest of the series.
It has an overworld and smaller mazes with even more smaller caves when the rest of the series has you explore one massive dungeon.
It might be a smoother entry if you like JRPGs.

EOIII is easy as shit to emulate as a DS game and the most polished of the DS games. Balancing was suspect on the DS however.

The upcoming EOV is back to the roots for the series and also makes a fine starting point.

EOU and EO2U are remakes of the original EO and EOII.
They are on the harder side (especially EOU) so if you like that you can start there.
Both also have a story mode with a fixed party and more text but I'm not a fan of these modes.

Story connections are almost not present - it's even questionable if all games play in the same universe to begin with. So just choose whatever sounds the best to you.
Personally, I recommend EOIV since it lets you learn things about the franchise without too much hassle.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Flameblow
Good shit man, appreciate it

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@likme
Can't I just not use loyalty or only put a few points in it?

massdebater
massdebater

Get into third stratum
Lv28
Try to beat FOE
The absolute madmen actually did it!
Master skills are p good.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Deadlyinx
Loyalty is a passive skill so you can never deactivate it once learned (other than Resting).
And it is their Mastery - so the good skills are locked behind high levels of Loyalty. Even offensive ones.

Sadly, Beast is bad in EOII.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@massdebater
Good job, user.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

i need the dumbest bunnies you have

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TurtleCat
Are there any bunnies less dumb than other?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

why does warlock have such awkward spells

why cant it just have single target+aoe of each element and then some unique stuff spread among them

Booteefool
Booteefool

@lostmypassword
That's basically elemancer's shtick, isn't it? They just skipped from single formulae to the mid tier ones, just like Runemaster.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Dreamworx
Loyalty 3 (33% chance of activation)
Maul 5
Devour 5 (main damage skill + self healing)
Bristle 5 (raise defense for preen)
Preen 10 (draw attacks)
Doze Off 5 (self heal for long treks in dungeon)
VIT UP 10
En Garde 10 (for preen)
Autocure 5
Autoheal 5 (removing status)

I want to use a beast so I'm going to try this and see how it goes

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Who is best EOV girl?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TalkBomber
remus

iluvmen
iluvmen

@TalkBomber
you

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TalkBomber

Egar

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Booteefool
Kinda, it looks like it just has big/strong aoe version of every element that you then make single target with Focus Chant

The damage looks alright if you do it all but its like 70 TP a spell or something and 50 skill points and on top of all that it does way less damage then clever strike

Warlock lacks a "bonus damage when striking weakness" passive as well which doesn't help

mana flow is neat and could help a lot if you ran like 3 warlocks, which seems like a decent strategy considering Common Magic, but its an active ability too

fireball is 210% for 18 TP and explode is 270% for 40 TP, its just such a rough deal

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

How powerful is Buster Cannon? I've heard that it can do obscene amounts of damage and one shot bosses if your team is set up to take advantage of it, but in a regular team not optimized for it, how good is it? Strong, average or weak?

farquit
farquit

@King_Martha
Clever Strike can't benefit from chanting, which is what makes it an ultimately worse option in terms of overall damage output. The focus multiplier is also what pushes explode over its more economical predecessor, since it becomes a 607% skill compared to 475%. They don't profit as strongly off weaknesses as Omnimancers, but common magic means if you're running another magic dealer (Shaman, mainly), then they shit out numbers anyways.

Mana Flow is random target and incredibly unreliable. Put those points into cutting costs.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@w8t4u
I wish you the best of luck, user.
May your Beast evade those 33%.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TalkBomber
Jenetta.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@farquit
I was thinking of some kind of tri Elemancer thing with regards to Mana flow+common magic, but yeah cutting costs is definitely the superior option in pretty much any situation

I do see why/when you'd use the big stuff on foes/bosses but it just seems so bad for general usage, i guess thats probably why they have clever strike though so they can contribute with fairly low cost to the average fight

i dunno maybe I should try a warlock (or two) but on paper I'm extremely skeptical

is abating chant any good? it seems like itd be okish but Im bad at math and cant even calculate these percentages, and having to spend 10 TP to lower your tp costs feels kind of ridiculous

@Boy_vs_Girl
what happens if you have a protector 1guard a beast who procs loyalty

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Skullbone
I feel like any situation that would call for abating chant is something that you'd just use a basic skill for. Anyways, the reason I recommended shaman as the secondary damage dealer is for oracle dance, which provides an additional 50% elemental damage increase as a non-diminishing source, so it pairs really well with Warlock. A companion Omnimancer's also good, of course.

happy_sad
happy_sad

After looking at the skill sim for EOV, I've got to ask... why does everyone use Hell Slash/Sanzu when Layered Blossoms + Reblossom hits almost as hard, but requires not even half as much team synergy?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@happy_sad
You're at the mercy of the RNG for Layered Blossom, while you can reliably control how much output you get out of Hell Slash. Also Peerless Demon goes for everything in that instead of getting split up.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Skullbone
Ooooh, I thought Peerless Demon would stack continuously throughout the turn.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@AwesomeTucker
Agreed

RumChicken
RumChicken

@happy_sad
People talk about the randomness of layered blossoms, but that's a dumb fucking reason, especially when you have four gods for random encounters if you really need consistent damage for some reason instead of maximizing damage over time.
One actual reason is that sanzu is indeed more effective when in a party built around it, and those parties are nontrivial to build in a way that's stable enough to work. We talk about them a lot more than reblossom 4kats because the teambuilding is more restrictive and thus a better subject of discussion.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Why does harbinger even have miasma armor, its just a weird ammo system for their abilities, like ghosts for necro but stupid and pointless instead of meaningful and interactive

WebTool
WebTool

@StonedTime
It gives you really high turn action, which saves your ass with the support branch. Also serves to balance out the whole WM barrier spam in U2

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Garbage Can Lid
It's among the biggest hits in the game - held back by gun ATK and Earthlain STR not being as high as Therian STR.
Also it takes three turns to pull it off (Prep Artillery, one turn to set up Buster Cannon, one turn to execute it) and without at least Dance Oracle and some normal attack buffs it won't be super amazing.

During these three turns you can of course not defend your party so you need some other defence.
It is an ok skill if you have binds or some ailments like panic but since it costs so many points to get you will probably only get it later if you don't build for it specifically.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Does anyone know when 5 is coming to New Zealand?

Will I have to wait another year? I literally have nothing to play on my 3ds right now.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@lostmypassword
Hot

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Does having a hound and hawk out double the healing recieved at the end of the turn from Animal Therapy?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Skullbone
Iirc Beast's Loyalty ignores everything that is on your Beast.
Defences, stats, buffs, effects - all of it.

w8t4u
w8t4u

How effective would it be to have an elemental enchanter shaman and chase fencer? I always wanted to try out a chase party, but for some reason they always felt underwhelming and I end up going for something else. Also I don't have a botanist for healing, so would my Shaman still be able to use the enchantments if it became a divine herald?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@happy_sad
4kats will always be paper thin so you need at least some sort of defence to take the heat of off them.
And at this point many people just want to go the whole mile and build their entire party around them.

Also there is more optimisation needed for Hell Slash so there are more questions.
Reblossom is pretty straight forward.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

If a ghost dies in the middle of fierce shield, how is the rest of the damage dealt to the party? Also, my ghost won't try to tank hits for other ghosts, will they?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StonedTime
I always ask myself the same thing for Ronin.
They are a high damage class that is counterbalanced by bad defences.
And then they need Stances on top of that for some reason.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@w8t4u
Shamans and chains go together incredibly well. Dance oracle is the most important skill for a chain party, so a defensive shaman works.
If you're ready for the hottest tech, try out two (2) shamans

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@PurpleCharger
I have no idea if there is even a publisher for you down there.
Couldn't you usually use the EU version or something?

Sorry that I can't help you but all that I know is that Deep Silver takes care of Europe.

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
A defensive shaman will need to constantly reapply buffs to themselves though. An offense one can get a 50% chance to keep their buff, so you can spam dance oracle more.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Spazyfool
No.
It also doesn't increase for multiple Rovers with Animal Therapy.

It just checks if there is an animal and a Rover with the skill and then it works.

likme
likme

@w8t4u
Since Chains also follow stab (as opposed to Chases that only followed their element) you can have a Rover focussed on their dog. They have some heal skills that can keep your party alive if supported by a Shaman.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@lostmypassword
Literally killed all my friends just because I wanted to hear all his lines.

That and my friends fucking sucked. At least dagda let's me sumon/fuse fucking demons.

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
It's like hit taker, so if you shield a party wide attack and it dies on the third hit, your last 2 members will still take damage
And no, they don't protect other ghosts

JunkTop
JunkTop

@likme
Yeah, absolutely. Offensive shamans are much better if your team is stable enough to slot them in.
But if you're relying only on shaman for healing, you're going to need to be defensive shaman, because otherwise you're healing like 10 hp every other turn and using a shitty single-target heal.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Sir_Gallonhead
They absorb the hit and die from the killing blow, neutralizing it. So if it's just a single hit, it doesn't matter how much overkill, the Ghost will take it all.

However, if there are multiple hits, including pierce and stomp effects, the Ghost will only stop as much as it can, and if there are more hits left over, your party is going to get hit.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@likme
Would a Dog Rover + Punisher Shaman be good enough for healing, though?
I really dislike the idea of having your healing be randomly distributed, so Hawk + Herald seems safer to me.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sharpcharm
Dumb doujin bikini girl

RumChicken
RumChicken

Thanks for all the QR codes in the past few threads to keep me from having Conrad as my only friend in this game, guys. I guess it's alright if I post my card here to return the favor? See you all in the full game!

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

How are 9999HP ghosts possible? It says the wraith skill only gives and 80% HP bonus at max level

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@PurpleCharger
@Sharpcharm
Who is this semen demon?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Can't scan QRs
Is it because I'm using a PAL/EU 3DS?

farquit
farquit

I miss the qt blacksmith lads. I fucking hate to potatoniggers at the market so much

Flameblow
Flameblow

@MPmaster
QR's are region locked
Please understand
If we got an undub this quickly why has nobody patched this?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TalkBomber
Zombie Powder kills an enemy and makes a Wraith with their remaining HP.
There is an FOE weak to instant death in the 4th Stratum that has over 10k HP - but all allies are capped at 9999HP.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Stop me from making a Chain focused Fencer, flanked by 2 naked Nene's, and a Shaman of either Legendary Name in the back. I'm at the 4th Stratum and I just might do it.since it can't be any worse than the party I'm currently using.

Anyone experienced with running a Dodge Fencer?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TalkBomber
Zombie powder on high health mobs I guess. There are a couple FOEs weak to insta-kill
@Flameblow
I thought it was locked by the game version, I'm using a NA cia but a EU QR scanner, can they really check the difference like that? How?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
There is an FOE weak to instant death in the 4th Stratum

Methnerd
Methnerd

Ghosts have some pretty shit VIT and WIS, so they take loads of damage. But they can also have boatloads of HP. If I curse an enemy, and have a 9999 ghost tank an all party hit, will curse finally be useful?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Methnerd
If you're converting ghost HP into damage, why not use the sacrifice skill that is 1:1 instead of the 2:1 ratio of curse, and have less setup to boot?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Curse has 1(one) use other than conditionals in the entire series

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Sharpcharm
If you are going with a Chain party you probably won't have much control outside of your Dog Rover - maybe add an Elemancer and a Shield Dragoon for Counter Guard to go all in on Chains.

Since your enemy will often freely attack you, running Dog Rover and Herald Shaman might be a good idea.
Your Shaman will need to reapply their buffs on their own without help from Ancient Memory so you only get Dance Oracle every second turn. But your Rover will need to heal less often since you are stacking passive healing.

Since many bosses (but not all) have summons you can use the non-Dance Oracle turns for Chain All to wipe those the next turn.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@RumChicken
I'd help if you were on the EU or Aus demo, but if you're on NA my card won't read for you.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sir_Gallonhead
Using Curse to kill Dragons with a level 1 Beast in EO2U was fun.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Sir_Gallonhead
There's been multiple bosses that can be forced into suicide by overkilling a level 1 squishy while cursed. ...If that counts as multiple uses.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Skullbone
No, everyone's too scared of RNG chan and only runs safe datamined mathematical parties.
No fun allowed.
report results.

WebTool
WebTool

@Skullbone
Why would you use two dodge fencers and one chain fencer when you can use two chain fencers and one dodge fencer?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Skullbone
As long as they actually fucking dodge they are p good, damage wise they are reliant on team sinergy and composition since revenge strike is their only real beater skill, but they can truly make sure not even a single digit of damage falls on the team (if used properly, else you'll just get a situation described by that image with only nene alive).
The biggest weakpoint is that most of the time you won't reach true 100% dodge rate, meaning that at times you'll get oneshot even after setting up the best you could. Also they are kinda heavy on the TP side.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Sir_Gallonhead
I didn't even know that it had a single use outside of conditionals.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@WebTool
Because I don't know if only 1 Dodge Fencer can trigger 4 chain hits on their own. If they can, then I'll do that instead.

@RavySnake
@VisualMaster
So is it really just Predict and Lightweight and you're good to go? I'll probably have the Evade buff from one of the 2 Shamans as well.

girlDog
girlDog

@VisualMaster
rng is bound to be in your favor after a while, so all you have to do is fight again, and you'll win.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Need_TLC
Get a reaper for aim debuffs on enemies while you're at it.

FastChef
FastChef

@Skullbone
Nah, I used a Reaper last run, so I'm limiting myself to classes I didn't use. It's why my party is garbage right now.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Dreamworx
This lets you protect the party while inflicting damage. Though I'm mostly trying to think of a way to make curse useful. It's so fucking shit.

5mileys
5mileys

@Need_TLC
Dodge fencers really like to be dodging hits, to splitting it up between two is not a good idea. Chain Fencers give you double the value of Chains, and Multi-Stab hits decently hard in its own right. You've got a Shaman as well, which means you can guarantee that everyone on your team chains once with the Elemental Prayer if they don't have anything better to trigger the chains with.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SniperGod
They have to stay alive since curse only proccs on non-lethal hits.
Thankfully there are ways in some games to let those characters survive at 1HP even if they take a magnitute of their HP as damage.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@WebTool
@5mileys

Seems Sylphid counters triggers Chains, so I guess I'm going 2 Chain 1 Dodge. There's no going back now.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Need_TLC
Predict is trash only usefull vs FOEs and bosses in the first 2 strata, ignore that skill later on. Optic thrust and the ones unlocked by it is where the power is at.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@StrangeWizard
Kenkaku, the new class in Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2.

askme
askme

@Gigastrength
But is Deft Thrust really going to be sufficient aggro, even at max?

likme
likme

@Sharpcharm
Did they do a miracle or is EMD2 trash like the first title?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Sharpcharm
Are they the obligatory squishy high-damage class of glorious nippon steel?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sharpcharm
five on cover
4 person team

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@CodeBuns
Yes.

@likme
Not enough changes, only slight upgrades.
It's the worst selling Etrian game for a reason.

Supergrass
Supergrass

What determines Dodge, LUC or AGI?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Supergrass
Both, LUC is less important than AGI

likme
likme

@Supergrass
2*AGI + LUC gets compared to the enemy's 2*AGI + LUC.
If it is lower, the dodge chance falls rapidely, if it is higher, the dodge chance climbs slowly.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Poker_Star
@likme
Thanks. So Dodge Fencers are better as Therians since they have all the AGI and some LUC?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@iluvmen
nene btfo

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Booteefool
can make a teach therian fencer
but not a ponytail therian fencer

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
Keep in mind that if a dodge fencer gets status'd they're probably dead, so the significantly lower luck does hurt.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@likme
@iluvmen
the difference at level 99 is actually only 2 points
3 points at level 70

Methnerd
Methnerd

@iluvmen
Yes and no, lower LUC would make them more susceptible to pure bind/aliment skills that they cannot dodge

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Spamalot
Oh, well shit. Human it is, then.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@iluvmen
Without racial skills they are ever so slightly better since Earthlain has a massive LUC advantage and not that much of an AGI disadvantage.
With racial passives the gap widens a bit since both have the same amount of +LUC passives but Therian has one more +AGI passive.
For what it's worth Therian also has a pure dodge passive that is worth about 3%.

Therians also deal more counter damage but between Optic Thrust to blind and increase your dodge chances and what @Fried_Sushi
said they are about equal, I'd say.

farquit
farquit

@BinaryMan
She is so cute!

Man, I have way too many pictures in my EO folder, it takes way too long to find anything

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@farquit
That's why I name all pictures.
I also don't have that many.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@farquit
My wife

massdebater
massdebater

@RavySnake
With racial passives the gap widens a bit since both have the same amount of +LUC passives but Therian has one more +AGI passive.
Do they? Both have forage and cardio, what's the third for therians?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@lostmypassword
hey i don't post in this general but i just wanted to say this picture made me throw up

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@LuckyDusty
Ricky often has that effect on people

Methnerd
Methnerd

@massdebater
Third Eye.
It's not in the skill sim but it is in the ingame description.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@LuckyDusty
You are not the only one.
Those proportions are something else...

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sharpcharm
that tiny DFC with a bikini over it
even the fucking monk has bigger tits than her
Oh yes.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Is there a way to use Altar with Oracle Dance? Shit's too fast

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@farquit
ive been saving every picture form the threads i like and stuff from booru i use to post and what not the past week onto my desktop and nearly every squares full of icons now, im going for 100% completion

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SomethingNew
Altar is Bash damage anyways and I think it can not be infused by Reserve Magic.
So Oracle Dance has no effect on it.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Booteefool
Not even DFCs are enough to convince me to buy EMD2.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stark_Naked
I hope you will finish your project soon so you can clean up your desktop...

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
The actual hit has priority, so you can't outspeed it. It also wouldn't do anything even if you could.
On the other hand, bash element means that overexertion works on it, because overexertion actually increases bash/cut/stab damage, not ATK.

Methshot
Methshot

@SomethingNew
Turn 1: Fireball
Turn 2: Altar
Altar is now fire+bash type. I already tested it

Also apparently Altar's even faster than Rapid Cannon so I guess no chance for Oracle

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Stark_Naked
@lostmypassword
I don't save images I don't like, and my art book collections from EO is located somewhere else.
I think I'll place them a folder of their game.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Does Target Arrow increase chain damage or is it only for physical attacks? If it doesn't I think I'll sub my Rover and let my Shaman do all the healing alone.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Methshot
Since you actually have an altar warlock in front of you, can you clear up if you can multistrike an altar?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@AwesomeTucker
Chains are physical attacks. They're stab + (fire/volt/ice) element.
Note that target arrow actually says "decrease enemy's defense against cut/stab/bash attacks."

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Flameblow
If the target is weaker to Volt than to Stab, and you use Target Arrow, will it still increase the Chain's damage? Or will it ignore the increase to cut/stab/bash damage entirely, as it's being evaluated as Volt?

WebTool
WebTool

@Dreamworx
All buffs and debuffs work on mixed elemental attacks.
The resistance to elements only comes into play right at the end as a final damage modifier.

Even if your Chain Flame gets calculated only against the fire resistance (if that one is higher) it still counts as a stab and a fire skill for all things that increase or decrease those damage types.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Dreamworx
will it still increase chain damage
Yes. When you use a hybrid phys + element attack it always works in your favor, you get all the physical + elemental buffs/debuffs even if the damage is only targeting the physical or only elemental resistance. Otherwise it would suck.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@w8t4u
if you can multistrike an altar
no

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Is anyone using a dodge Fencer in stratum 4 and up? How's that working out for you?

Thinking about restructuring my party into dodge Fencer, 2x chain Fencer, Omnimancer and herald Shaman

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Dreamworx
Yeah, defense debuffs are an entirely separate system from resistance debuffs. (Blame Atlus for this one.)
Defense debuffs are really just attack buffs and scale additively based on every element of the attack, while resistance debuffs are a multiplicative scale at the end that only applies the element with the highest multiplier.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Are there item QR codes for EOV like in IV? I saw some on the jap website but it doesn't work on USA versions.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@ZeroReborn
Thanks user.
Man, this game has been out in Japan for more than a year. Why is every single skill sim wrong in very significant ways?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@whereismyname
The only important things are all the art and doujins we'll get with her.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@LuckyDusty
EMD2
art and doujin
lol

Inmate
Inmate

If a boss is weak to fire and I cast Dance Oracle, will it be even weaker to fire or is the state of weakness already a cap?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Inmate
Even weaker.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nojokur
Are there even still resistance debuffs in the game?
Dance Oracle is just a multiplicative debuff/buff like a charge effect - it will not create weaknesses for Altar or Life Siphon like resistance debuffs did in the past.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RavySnake
Yeah, okay. Call it an elemental multiplier or something. The point is that dance oracle works very differently from other skills that interact with specific elements.

girlDog
girlDog

@TreeEater
W-Well at least that chest is so flat that it's already fappable enough in the official art

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Does target arrow+armor piercer stack

i assume not

Supergrass
Supergrass

@kizzmybutt
All buffs and debuffs stack but they stack a bit differently than in previous games

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RavySnake
Okay, question for the thread.
I have a fencer use chain flame and then a shaman uses a fire typed dance oracle, proccing the chain.
I'm hitting an enemy with 50% fire resistance and 125% stab resistance.
Does the chain get additional damage from the dance oracle?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@kizzmybutt
It does.
However every character has only three buff and three debuff slots so you can not stack those things infinitely.

Also interestingly, buffs and debuffs can cancel each other out - if someone has a defence buff and gets hit by a defence debuff, instead the buff just disappears. No matter how strong the buff and debuff were beforehand.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@kizzmybutt
You'll get a 40% damage increase from the armor piercer and a 30% damage increase from target arrow. These stack additively for a 70% damage increase total, assuming no other buffs or debuffs.
Why do defense debuffs act like this? Ask Atlus.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@MPmaster
Yes.
As long as the skill (or attack) has fire in it, a Dance Oracle that removed Blaze Prayer will increase the power of that skill.
And you will still hit the 125% resistance/vulnerability/damage multiplier.

Even if the enemy is immune to fire (which in EO means they take single digit damage from the random number added at the end) it will still work.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@LuckyDusty
it will still work
And if you have a mixed elemental attack it will still work around the lower vulnerabilities, no matter how low those modifiers are.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@MPmaster
@LuckyDusty
I should mention it only works like this in EOV because Dance Oracle is not actually resistance manipulation.

In earlier titles you had things that would increase these innate damage multipliers.

In your example:
50% fire
125% stab
Flame Fantasia (EO2U) 40% vunerability increase
would result in
90% fire
125% stab

Since fire is still lower than stab, it still gets ignored.

But Dance Oracle 10 is just "damage of the element of the Prayer removed times 1.5".

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Soft_member
15 I think?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Soft_member
15, go crazy with the memes

girlDog
girlDog

What level should you be for expert Hippogryph?

Shit's stomping me

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@girlDog
25.

massdebater
massdebater

Are items considered a crutch?

Is your style or party non-functional if it cant complete hard bosses without TP restore items, etc?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@massdebater
No.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Raving_Cute
Is blonde Zodiac more popular the purple?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Inmate
It's like star drop, it doesn't actually cause a resistance change it just multiplies that element hit. That's why it's extra strong

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Lunatick
No. It's just that one user this thread that really seems to love her.
But they are both cute.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@girlDog
I think I was 14 for the first boss, 27 for the second and 36 for the third.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@girlDog
I defeated it at lv29 first try
Dodge Fencer/Bind Pugilist/Musarao
Negromancer/Smoke botamist
Most of the fight he was ailed or bound and one-two punch+armor pierce was strong enough to break his guard. The fight starts getting bad when he starts spamming that insane party wide dive, but he starts doing it after you bring down his health a bit so save your binds for then.
Make sure you rest all your team before reporting the mission so you won't lose as much experience.
Tfw necromancer got killed the very last turn so I had to report before resting or she would have lagged 1 level behind the rest of the team

viagrandad
viagrandad

@DeathDog
He telegraph exactly when he does the kick though, just defend

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@massdebater
Items and equipment are there to fill holes your party left open.
With subclassing and espceially with Grimoires you could fix those holes in other ways in the last few games but with Legendary Names we are back to building parties with weaknesses simply because you can not cover everything.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

If I have a party of 1x dodge fencer and 2x chain fencer I only have room for one buff, right? Wind Curtain, Chain Plus and then something like Amplify from a Warlock.
Wouldn't it make more sense to run a Herbalist for Smokeblight instead of a Shaman? Smokeblight or Dance Oracle should come up to the same damage, right?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
Does he? Is it like a message at the end of the turn or something? Then again I inflicted literally all ailments I had on him during the whole fight including ghoul paralyze so I might have missed it.

5mileys
5mileys

@Lord_Tryzalot
Smokeblight has the downside of requiring the enemy to be ailed to work

JunkTop
JunkTop

@5mileys
Smokeblight doesn't need an ailment, it just needs the smoke debuff

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Lord_Tryzalot
Smokeblight
Smokeblight needs a smoke debuff or else you only get the 15% damage increase.

It also does not work like Dance Oracle.
Dance Oracle is a 1.5 multiplier, Smokeblight is a normal defence debuff.

No buffs/debuffs: 100% damage
with Chain Plus and Smokeblight: 100% + 50% + 50% = 200% damage.
with Chain Plus and Dance Oracle: (100% + 50%) * 1.5 = 225%.
The more attack buffs/defence debuff or passives (including Chain Boost and Rapier Mastery) you have the better Dance Oracle gets.

farquit
farquit

@JunkTop
Really? That actually makes botanist even more useful

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stark_Naked
I see. It might still be worth using over Dance Oracle for me simply because debuff slots are worth less than buff slots and I'm all out of the latter ones.

farquit
farquit

@farquit
@JunkTop
So I can't even trust the ingame skill descriptions?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@farquit
The in-game should be right. It should say under the effect of a smoke skill or something

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@lostmypassword
"Most effective on enemies weakened by ailments" is the phrase. Seems pretty clear the translators thought it worked off ailments, not smoke debuffs.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@lostmypassword
That's why I never play atlus games in English anymore

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Lunatick
@lostmypassword
Pink Zodiac is the best however.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Lunatick
yes

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Skullbone
I give up on understanding the game's mechanics before release.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Lunatick
How does the purple one look? I've forgotten all about her

Spamalot
Spamalot

@JunkTop
Are you for real? I did 3 whole strata wrong because some fuck can't translate for shit?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spamalot
Gomen gomen

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Need_TLC
Think of them as "increased physical damage taken" rather than "reduced defense".

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

nom

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sir_Gallonhead
sauce?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Stark_Naked
Can confirm.
Negromancer vs toxipede
Flame bomb with no debuffs: 495 dmg
Flame bomb with smokblight lv1 no smoke: 523 (less than 10% bonus)
Flame bomb with smokeblight lv1+toxic smoke (not poisoned): 621 (around 25% bonus)
Thanks, ATLUS USA.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Flameblow
Bonus: the toxipede managed to hit my lightweighted 10 deft thrust lv7 fencer with only sword equipped
B-but muh speed!

5mileys
5mileys

@Flameblow
Is 100% evasion even a thing in this game?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sir_Gallonhead
"Oh no, I'm going to be late for the senate meeting!"
runs through town with toaster in mouth

Booteefool
Booteefool

@lostmypassword
What the fuck have you done to Raquna

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Booteefool
This is her true form

Emberfire
Emberfire

Why did they have to remove Picnic, autogrinding on Basic is a pain in the ass.

Evilember
Evilember

Question. How is Critical Strike chance calculated in EOV?
The skill sim for 1Kat Massyrow says that their crit chance is multiplied by up to 3x if Sword God is maxed out. Is it possible to get to 33% crit chance, allowing you to reach 100% with Sword God @ Lv 10? Does the higher LUC of the Earthlain mean that Earthlain 1Kats deal more damage than Therian 1Kats?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@5mileys
Apparently, 1000 Evade means ~100% Dodge assuming no positive accuracy modifiers from the enemy's attack.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TreeEater

Nonsense, everyone knows that Canadians turn into moose once they've reached maturity.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Carnalpleasure
Raccoona is a bit special

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Evilember
I think with maxed out crit you have a 33% to crit since the base is apparently 11ish or something. You can't change the base though.

1kat damage core is still fine even if you aren't a crit lord if you just want a sturdy solid attacker

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Emberfire
not using the masurao skill

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fried_Sushi
My issue is not getting slaughtered

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Just starting IV, any critical extra stuff/exploits I should know besides basics?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Spazyfool
The game gives you some like, catch up level-this-character to level __ items at the end of each stratum besides the first so don't go full crazy trying to grind up a new member right before you end one

Evilember
Evilember

@SniperGod
Good to know, I go mad like that

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Carnalpleasure
git
gud

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@happy_sad
You can't change the base
In EOIV you were able to get your Sniper to 100% Crit Chance at 99r99. It'll be unfortunate if that's not the case in EOV.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Ignoramus
Im not sure what the literal rate is but just lock on 6+3 in the passive one makes him crit like almost always

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

A normal looking guy in the day, DARK FLAME MASTER at nights

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Ignoramus
@AwesomeTucker
Critical Hit Chance

LUCDifference = UserLUC - TargetLUC

If LUCDifference is less than or equal to -11, BaseCrit = 0.
If LUCDifference is greater than -11 and less than 42, BaseCrit = 15 + (15 * sin((LUCDifference / 20) - 0.75).
If LUCDifference is greater than 42, BaseCrit = 30.
CRIForgeCorrection = CRIForges * 3

If the user has more than 8 CRIForges, CRIForgeCorrection is capped at 24.
SkillCritCorrection = 0 + SkillCritBonus

SkillCritBonus is the sum of all crit bonuses. This includes:
Sniper: Lock On
Sniper: Bullseye
Sniper: Snipe Mastery
FinalCritChance = BaseCrit + CRIForgeCorrection + SkillCritCorrection + RandomNumber

RandomNumber is a random integer that can be between 0 and 5.

======================================

Copy pasted from an EOIV gamefaqs guide. You can actually get WAY over 100% crit chance in EOIV. Looking at that value now, it may actually be the case that Earthlain 1Kats hit harder due to higher LUC and therefore higher crit chance, but we'll have to see if there are enough enemies in the game with high enough LUC for it to matter.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@lostmypassword

banishment, this world

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Ignoramus
@Supergrass
I'll just scour the wiki then. For some reason I thought you couldn't change your since all the other crit buffs are gone

Methshot
Methshot

What is the chance that this will be available on the Freeshop the same day it is released?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Man what the fuck, why are my only options for warlock titty monster and titty monster?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Methshot
Just download the .cia bro

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Poker_Star
The default elf is a qt with normal boobs.

5mileys
5mileys

@Poker_Star
You could reclass the Necrololi or use a boy Warlock with a girl voice

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Poker_Star
Your options are titty monster, slightly tittier titty monster, normal qt elf, sheep, fujobait, and reclassing a Necromemer.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Flameblow
But the only necromeme worth using is also a tittymonster

Evilember
Evilember

Hey /sqg/!
Rate my team!!1 xD

Pugilist for bind memes / 4Kat for lmao hell slash memes / dergon 4 da BUSTAH CANNON memes
Shaman on the backline for elemental buff memes and Dance Dance Oracle memes / Har-har-bringer (get it? ;P) for those super dank meme debuffs

plz give feedback, this is my first Etrian Odyssey game (Why is it even called Etrian Odyssey lmao!)?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@viagrandad
Excuse you

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TurtleCat
Obviously not this one

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@viagrandad
zombie powders you

idontknow
idontknow

@Evilember
/sqg/
Stopped reading right there

Evilember
Evilember

@TurtleCat
literally a naked hoodie
How did she get past the censorships?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@5mileys
@Flameblow
Wait so when you retire you can keep the old portraits in this game? That sounds great. I went through a lot when I realized I had to leave my cute princess behind in favor of a monk for healing in EO3.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evilember
Hey
Didn't read further

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evilember
She's not lewd, she just doesn't know any better

Evilember
Evilember

Which racial skills are worth grabbing?

Which are worthless?

How often does Gaia's Grace/Gift proc?

Is Black Mist worth it? What's the additional % for a 4 person ability?

Does Tri Shield negate 3 attacks to the entire party or 3 seperate attacks period? Is that as broken good as it sounds for single target boss fights?

Why in gods name would you ever pick up determination?

Are the "bit" stat up racial abilities worth grabbing? (Luck/AGI, VIT/STR, etc)

Making a new party for 3rd Stratum and I dont wanna waste any skillpoints, everyone is a bit low level wise.

Gonna give

Evade Fencer / DPS Harbinger
Healer Shaman / DPS Necromancer / Debuff Botanist

a go

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TurtleCat
@Boy_vs_Girl
Man, I thought the pink scar was a huge blush when I first saw her sprite.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@idontknow
@GoogleCat
The "I didn't read" meme
Your memes fucking suck. I bet you use cheese strats.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@LuckyDusty
Yeah that's how reclass works. The issue is you keep your race and race stats so you cant do something like reclass a Nene ino a Warlock but other than that it's a fun system.

So in your case if you could do that in eo3 your monk would have princess stats which probably wouldn't be that bad I think.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Poker_Star
Lolis are dead, user. We're Boobian Odyssey now.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evilember
Which racial skills are worth grabbing?
The ones that do things that you give a shit about.
Which are worthless?
The ones that do things that you don't give a shit about.
How often do the mana refund racials proc?
Frequently enough to be noticeable, infrequently enough that they're not needed and shouldn't be relied on. They're nice if you've got a spare point or two to toss their way.
Is Black Mist worth it? What %?
It's considered to be one of the best Union Skills in the entire game, possibly even THE best. It doubles application rates.
Tri Shield
Negates the next three instances of damage. If a boss only hits once, twice, or three times in a turn, it negates their entire turn.
Why would you ever pick up determination?
It's a decent OH SHIT button. It only costs one skill point. I'm never going to use it, but I'm sure it'll come in handy for someone.
Are the [FREE] stat racials worth it?
If you like the stats, then yes.
DPS in a turn based game
Haram.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Need_TLC
The "your memes suck" meme
Meme harder memeboy

Flameblow
Flameblow

mfw keep forgetting to summon wraiths when I enter the dungeon
mfw keep forgetting to resummon after every fight
This wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't spamming poison bomb every fight

TreeEater
TreeEater

@cum2soon
I memely wish you memen't done that.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Has the Mystery Dungeon 2 OST been uploaded yet?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Jenetta stopped giving me free ingredients

HALP

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Stupidasole
Yes

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Flameblow
Why is drawfag comfymaster crying?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Nude_Bikergirl
Where? It's not in the pastebin.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@cum2soon
Yeah, I wanted to subclass her as a monk and move her to move her to the front line eventually since Monarch March doesn't scale, but even with the only slightly worse TP and TEC growth because of the terrible class skill she'd be significantly inferior to a monk/princess in every respect except armor. The redheaded onee-chan monk eventually grew on me but I never did fully recover from the trauma of my party's adorable mascot.

So how do racial and class stats combine? Do the classes apply flat modifiers or is it proportional to the race's base stats?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Flameblow
You'll get away with it or won't have to sunmon them once you get the second name, don't worry

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Does a luma undub patch exist for EOU2? I could download the prepatched cia but I want to use my original cartridge

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Need_TLC
You have too much food, make some fruit salad or something

Emberfire
Emberfire

Has someone reverse engineered the JP DLC to work with the US version yet?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
Classes don't have stats attached, but second names give small stat bonuses

RavySnake
RavySnake

@LuckyDusty
my original cartridge

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@RavySnake
le no one buys games meme

5mileys
5mileys

@Stupidasole

...OK well next question then. What are the chances that the .cia will be available on the same day it is released?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@5mileys
It's already available.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys
Reading is a skill.

farquit
farquit

@5mileys
what?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Would you allow this curse gremlin to hex your daughter to sleep?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Crazy_Nice
I'd allow her to hex my dick to orgasm.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Crazy_Nice
That curse gremlin is my daughter.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@GoogleCat
@Illusionz
@farquit

It came out 7 hours guys....I didn't know it was leaked....cut me some slack cmon....

Also it has 2 difference links, one that says Gateway only and one that says Citra only. What the hell do those mean

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Crazy_Nice
Cute boy

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@viagrandad
Shes playing EO Switch but forgot to hit x to bring up the map

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@ZeroReborn
I saw it ages ago, but can't actually find it in the archives for some reason. Sorry man. I guess I lied to you

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Need_TLC
le everything is a maymay meemee
xD
I wish I had a dummy bunny 4Kat in my team IRL so I could McFuckingKillMyself after reading all of the meme memes on /sqg/

FastChef
FastChef

@TurtleCat
That one can only be used on gateway and the other only on citra, are you fine user?
What do they mean
If you don't know you probably can't use them. Game leaked moonday as free region cia search for it

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Evilember
Celestrian Shaman and Brouni Harbinger and you might even be able to make it through the game.
4kat will die to anything but for boss fights you can just aim to fully bind enemies and blow them up before they can move again.
Healing can be mostly done with items.

I know what you are going for but you are missing a Chain Fencer with no stab and barely any elemental damage or the ever crucial double animal Rover and Necro combo.

girlDog
girlDog

I think I'm not even going to use leading blow o my pugilist, I'll just alternate between one-tw punch and lash out

girlDog
girlDog

@Flameblow
You can say this was a bug

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Methnerd
*appears behind you out of nowhere* HAAAAAAHHH CERTAIN DEATH ARMAGEDDON PUUUUUUUUUUNCH *erases you from existence*

likme
likme

@FastChef

Look, I don't know anything about this stuff. I hacked my 3ds for Monster Hunter and haven't touched it since.

I looked on http://3ds.titlekeys.gq/ for the CIA but it appears that they only have the demo. Where else would I look? If its not on there, 3dsiso, or the freeshop, I am not really sure where else to look.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evilember
How often does Gaia's Grace/Gift proc?
30% chance to return 1 TP + 20% of the TP you just used.

Are the "bit" stat up racial abilities worth grabbing?
Up to level 12 they give 3 points and they increase with level.
At 99 each of these passives is worth 10 stat points.
The highest natural stat (without racial passives or equipment) is Earthlain LUC with 163, the lowest Therian INT with 66, the lowest actually used stat is Therian WIS with 78.

Accessories usually max out at +30 to one stat (and some HP/TP).

So ten points is not bad.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@likme
/vg/thread/191827941#p191878532

FastChef
FastChef

can't recolor dog
one rover alt color has better dog but another has better dog fuckboy
Just why

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@ZeroReborn
It was around the time EMD2 got released in JP. Threads were slower back then, try to find one that was active around the time.

A shame it didn't make it into the pastebin...

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

So I'm planning to use Dragoon/Masurao/Pugilist, but I'm unsure what to do with my magic guys.
Is Botanist a good match with Warlock? Or what does Necromancer have nice synergy with?
And which second names for the magic-based classes?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Lord_Tryzalot
Classes don't change your stats at all.
A Therian Masurao will have the same STR and INT as a Therian Warlock.

Second names give static boosts that increase with level.
At 99 it's 48 points distributed between HP and TP and 48 points distributed in the rest.
Some classes only have two stats increased (4kat only gets STR and AGI), some have all stats except the offensive stat they don't use (Deathguard Harbinger and Evoker Necro iirc).

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberfire
Why would anyone go through all that work if the US DLC will be available on freeshop soon anyways?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@whereismyname
What I was going for was to make people read my post and feel physically ill. Did the repetition of the word meme not clue you in?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Does fencer even need dodge or just slap some armor and chain around is enough?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@girlDog
Leading blow can add a cockscrew no matter what, making a 5 hits that can be used with lash out

Evilember
Evilember

@FastChef
You need to min/max your dog asthetics.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@FastChef
Using a rover fuckboii when you can UNLEASH THE BEAST
pleb

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Boy_vs_Girl
You either go full dodge or full chain, no middle ground

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Supergrass
Why couldn't he just put that voice on a male rover?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Evilember
How can i have dog aesthetics if i cannot even recolor the goddamn dog?
@Supergrass
I have masurao for unleashing the beast

RumChicken
RumChicken

@AwesomeTucker
Botanist and Warlock is a safe and straight forward party. Nothing that will erase bosses but also nothing that gets you killed immediatly if you make a mistake.

If you don't have any other class in mind just go with them and look how they are performing.
You can give your Botanist weapons with good skills on them (like the Feather Staff formt eh second FOE) so they can do something in random encounters when they don't need to heal.

Sadly, Brounis suck as Smoke Botanists unless you have someone that can use mutliple of their debuffs.
But Healer Botanist has an overheal passive which is pretty helpful in boss fights.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@kizzmybutt
Yeah, that would be good, but I ended up maxing status attack up, so I won't have the point for all that until postgame

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Please help my team so far is Phantom Fencer, Master Masurao, Barrage Puglist and a Merciful Healer.
I can't figure out what to use as the last member. What would be good with this team?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@GoogleCat
Dunno, Rover or necro so that the summon slots don't go unused?

Evilember
Evilember

@GoogleCat
Something that occupies the summon line since its empty

Rover Necromancer or Dragoon

Emberburn
Emberburn

@RumChicken
Merciful Healer it is.
Warlock-wise, omnimancer or elemancer? I assume elemancer, but is that a good idea of Masurao will be paper-thin aswell due to 4 blades?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

What determines what attack types a Fencer can chain after? So far my Fencer chains only after an attack from either Rover or Warlock, an never after Dragoon or Botanist.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Emberburn
The shame about going elemancer is that there will be no one else with int based skills to trigger that sweet 50% bonus damage

Techpill
Techpill

@Stark_Naked
stab and elements

askme
askme

@CouchChiller
I like to pair a shaman with my Elemancer. Element buffs to enchant Clever Strike and then Dance Oracle will be redonkulous since it procs common magic

massdebater
massdebater

@girlDog
@kizzmybutt
And Lead Blow gives the skills used a multiplier of up to 1.5.
Usually your bind skills have 225% damage and Corkscrew 240%.
So a full Lead Blow is 150% + 3*337% + 360% = 1321% damage while Lash Out with 5 hits is 900% (or 720% with 4 hits).

It takes a lot of points but it's the big damage skill of Pugilist.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Techpill
What weapons types do stab damage?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Booteefool
bows, fencer swords, certain skills like armor pierce

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Booteefool
Bows and swords used by fencers with Rapier Mastwry

TechHater
TechHater

@DeathDog
her

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Emberburn
Elemancer has higher damage but as @CouchChiller
said their great Common Magic passive will get unused in your party.

Omnimancer can hit any and all weaknesses and their damage is not that much lower (in your party) - while their skills are weaker they have Spread Chant that on average adds more damage than Focus Chant and they can activate their 25% damage passive on their own.
You could aim for Life Siphon to get more Union and use Chain Blast more often to support your Pugilist.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@happy_sad
@Skullbone
Thanks, I guess I'll give my Botanist a bow.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

no villainous female voice for the necromancer

Methshot
Methshot

@Evilember
She will offer services in exchange for personal gain.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fried_Sushi
I'm surprised we even have stuff like Knightly and Militant instead of just high pitched shit and five versions of Sultry.

And I love my Professional Warlock.

viagrandad
viagrandad

"Professional" should have just been called "cheesy".

Booteefool
Booteefool

tfw think some of the Male voices are pretty neat
never get to use any as I always use female characters

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Booteefool
shit taste

MPmaster
MPmaster

tfw every single class in EOV is skill point starved
tfw you'll never be able to max out all of the passive damage increases

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@CouchChiller
Yes, we know that you have. Now shoo, go away.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@viagrandad
Robotic.

MPmaster
MPmaster

How do status ailments work in EO and V specifically?
When the skill calc says that, say, base poison chance is 50%. What modifiers does it go through?
Do enemies/FOEs have their own luck rolls to counter the PC's? Or is it just base chance +/-
enemy specific status weakness/resistance chance? How does luck influence the chance to successfully land a status ailment?

FastChef
FastChef

@Gigastrength
How about you go away instead with YOUR shit taste

Spamalot
Spamalot

@MPmaster
There are just too many good skills, it's nuts.
Usually you run out of even remotely interesting shit halfway through the post-game and some classes (EO2U War Magus) even earlier than that.
But now you would need like 20 more levels (after retire) to get everything good.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@CouchChiller
But all the males are ugly. The only cute ones are the Herbalist. I like to have one on my team as the only male and imagine he's gay.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I only use loli necro because the scar on her face looks like blush stickers.

TechHater
TechHater

@MPmaster
Passives are shit anyway. They're just point dumps for when you're already maxed out on all the actually useful active skills.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Methnerd
ugly
Yes, we know that you probably are, and we didn't need confirmation, to be quite frank.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Methnerd
any therian
hulk cestus
dragoons
ugly
(You)

WebTool
WebTool

Villaneous botamist
Laughing like a maniac as he learns better ways to heal his team

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Evilember
http://waifusims.com/EOV/skillSim.html

Look it yourself.
Not trying to be rude though, just giving you an useful tool

viagrandad
viagrandad

@FastChef
/u/

Emberfire
Emberfire

Is getting poison skills to 5 worth it in the very beginning or better wait intil like end stratum 2?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Is EO3U actually confirmed or are people just assuming the final 3DS game will be that?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@WebTool
Mad scientist potato
Damn son.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@whereismyname
We know nothing

Inmate
Inmate

@Spamalot
Yeah, I was just looking at Chain Fencer and I feel like I have to skip out on Multi-Stab and Resonance entirely because I don't have enough points available for it, and that also means completely neglecting Sylphscreen which is a really neat little passive.

@TechHater
See above.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@MPmaster
Inflictions formulas change from game to game.
It used to be dependant on TEC (in EOV terms it was INT and WIS combined) and LUC.
In EOU infliction was even more dependant on TEC while resistance more dependant on LUC.

In EOV it is mostly your 3*LUC compared to their 3*LUC - but Warlock, Necromancer and Celestrian skills compare 2*LUC + INT to the enemy's 3*LUC instead.

If you have more LUC infliction chance rises differently than in falls so it's hard to say "1 more LUC is x% more infliction chance".
You just want as much as possible is all.

Enemies also have resistances and weaknesses - you can see them on the reference page after you analysed them (either by using the Union skill Analyse, using the analysing item if that is still in the game or by killing one of them)
There will be an X for immunities, a triangle for resistances, an empty circle for neutralitly and a double circle for weakness.
For bosses a FOEs a modifier of 50% counts as neutral, for random encounters it's 100%.

Final infliction chance is base chance * LUC adjustment * enemy modifier * other modifiers (Status ATK Up passive, Shriveling Miasma, Botanist Smoke debuffs, Black Mist).

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Inmate
I can't have ALL the skills
Well, duh, then it wouldn't be a "build" if you had enough points to max out everything.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Emberfire
Leave them at 4 until your TP can handle the increased cost.
But poison scales extremely well with the amount of skill points invested, way more than other skills.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Crazy_Nice
ALL the skills
No points in Predict, Wind Curtain, Sonic Blade, Speed Up, Sylphscreen or Phys Attack Up, and minimal points in Rapier Mastery and Optic Thrust, and this is without using even a single point on Race Skills.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Firespawn
Okay, so it does depend on the enemy stats, and overleveling would actually help with landing ailments.
How much do status weakness/resistance modifiers affect the status infliction chance? Is it +/-50% like for damage?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Playboyize
This delicious slut has been with every user that visits these threads.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Flameblow
[cowbell clanks intensify]

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Flameblow
Is it because she don't have pants?

girlDog
girlDog

@Fried_Sushi
Depends on the enemy - and even for damage it's not just 50% every time.
There are enemies that take 0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%, 125% 150%, 200% or 300% damage from different things.

All the little symbol tells you if it's above or below what is seen as neutral.

Most things move in 25% steps when it comes to ailments - but most bosses have 10% against stun for example.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@girlDog
Oh, really? I've heard it's +50% for weakness and -50% for resistance.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@SniperGod
that's part of how she lures 'em in

Snarelure
Snarelure

@BinaryMan
Well, in the demo it does because enemies are simpler - or something.

Later on there are more variations.
There is even one enemy that takes 150% from fire and volt and 300% from ice which all get the same symbol.
Usually, if something is weak or resistant to all physical or all magical elements those percentages are the same for all three.
So they got extra fancy in EOV.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BinaryMan
Yeah, pretty much, if you're just talking about ailments and binds.
Normal monsters have a base rating of 100%, and bosses and FOEs have 50%. Weaknesses are then x1.5 base, and resistances are x0.5 base. (except stun, which is x0.2 for bosses.)
I'm sure there's exceptions because the user before me seems to know what he's talking about, but what i've said applies to every monster I looked at in a quick skim.

5mileys
5mileys

@Snarelure
enemy that takes 150% from fire and volt and 300% from ice which all get the same symbol.
What's even the point of viewing enemy info, if it doesn't actually help you? Same goes for the skill descriptions. Why can't they make the game mechanics more transparent?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Golem 2hard.

Underleveled? (15)
Destroying bits and trying to burn torso, but he is a terrible sponge.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@5mileys
EOV was a rush job for the devs more than the others

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Skullbone
stupid ricky

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Skullbone
underestimating the golems

iluvmen
iluvmen

@5mileys
I dunno.
At least they are slowly, ever so slowly moving in that direction.
You didn't even had that stuff in earlier titles.
Reference pages only exist since EOIV and they only had damage resistances.
And only since EO2U (the game before EOV) can you see ailment resistances and buffs/debuffs on enemies.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@iluvmen
I'm noticing it, 4 stratum enemies are mostly recolors

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Skullbone
How many small ones are able to walk towards you?
It should only be two.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SomethingNew
I miss my recurring enemies.
It is nice to have new and unique postgame bosses, though.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@kizzmybutt
I sealed off the side two, but the ones from the bottom keep coming, probably nothing you can do about it.

I assume my numbers are not high enough, one shots party members, And I can't kill a piece in a single turn usually.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Jenetta says she wants Forest Honey, but even though I have some in my inventory, I can't give any to her. What's up with that?

TechHater
TechHater

@Spamalot
Explore the 3f map, you'll get your answer

Playboyize
Playboyize

@New_Cliche
Ifcthey fuse with the big one they transfer all binds and ailments, which might be helpful.

@Spamalot
It's foreshadowing for a quest from a later floor just like the beehive you can fin on the third floor.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spamalot
@TechHater
I HAVE YOUR FOREST HONEY RIGHT FUCKING HERE
JUST TAKE YOU STUPID BUNNY
I GOT IT FROM EGAR

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

if you see owlber just run
Yeah nice job telling me that after i wiped the floor with their entire population

Nojokur
Nojokur

Tips for golem in V? He's destroying me with the fucking first move.

And also, there is any mod for etrian iii? Balanca patch or something like that.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Nojokur
Defend reduces damage taken by 50%.

RavySnake
RavySnake

How is turn order determined in EOV? Like in the previous games, with boots giving +2, gloves +1, etc?

idontknow
idontknow

@RavySnake
Something like that, yes.
Weapons got mixed around again.
Iirc coffins are fast for whatever reason.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@idontknow
Necros double as healers and support class, so it's nice to give them faster act speed, so they could try and heal before the enemy finishes off your wounded.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@idontknow
This series has so many hidden mechanics it should be criminal for a RPG.

Skill data has to be datamined because "Damage UP" sometimes means +1% and sometimes it means +15%.
No explanation for how much stats vs gear actually matters. Is +2 Vitality the same thing as +2 Defense?
Boots give a bonus to AGI. (Let's not directly tell the players that they also increase action speed.)
Gloves increase action speed too for some reason because why wouldn't they
for who knows what reason you can see the ATK and DEF stats of monsters, but this info tells you absolutely nothing unless you know the complete damage formula AND know the base damage of all their attack skills

SniperGod
SniperGod

@whereismyname
my favorite part is the attack stat on your character screen that never at any point actually gets factored into damage formulas

eGremlin
eGremlin

@whereismyname
Is +2 Vitality the same thing as +2 Defense?
At least in V this is exactly how it works.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Methnerd
faggot

5mileys
5mileys

@whereismyname
for who knows what reason you can see the ATK and DEF stats of monsters
To get an idea how hard hitting and resilient are they

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@eGremlin
Which is kinda my point. In some games it is, in some games it isn't. And you would never know the difference unless you actually investigate this phenomenon.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SniperGod
That changed in EOV - ATK and DEF are used in the formulas as is.

@whereismyname
No explanation for how much stats vs gear actually matters. Is +2 Vitality the same thing as +2 Defense?

In EOV STR is equal to weapon ATK while VIT is equal to armor defence. Same for magical stats.

As I said: they are getting there.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Boy_vs_Girl
(You)

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Emberburn
My anger is soothed a bit. Only took them six games to figure out that, wow, RPG players want their math shit to be transparent.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Boy_vs_Girl
Please understand.
EO started out as one as the best Wizardry-like franchises and it has since tried to recover from that.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@CodeBuns
that kind of art just heals the soul.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Can you sustain a party with both Animal Therapy and Gospel while exploring the dungeon?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CodeBuns
Asahi the dog is here.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Nojokur
Animal therapy alone is pretty good in early game.
Gospel is kinda weak though. Herald Shaman probably gets better with Holy Flame and in-battle healing passives.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Sir_Gallonhead
Nightseekers love curse just like every other ailment

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@RavySnake
From the wiki
Swords: +/-0
Gauntlets: -5
Staves: -5
Katanas: -5
Bows: +10
Scythes: +5
Artillery: -15
Coffins: +5

Heavy Armor: -10
Light Armor: +/-0
Clothes: +5
Helmets: +/-0
Gloves: +5
Boots: +10
Shields: -5
Accessories: +/-0

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Carnalpleasure
Katanas: -5

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Carnalpleasure
Coffins +5
???

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Ignoramus
Shocking truth

eGremlin
eGremlin

@PackManBrainlure
nipon steel is heavy dude

happy_sad
happy_sad

@PackManBrainlure
4kat -20
Light necro +25

@Ignoramus
tfw no subclassing for coffin dragoon

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Nojokur
Throw a dog in the mix (even without any of its skills) and you have what brought me through the demo.
Later on you will want some more skills however. Or at least the Herald Shaman passives.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@PackManBrainlure
Katana users are historically heavy hitters in EO games, so it's only natural they have lower speed as a trade-off.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Carnalpleasure
wew no wonder potato dragoon is so ridiculously slow

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Ignoramus
there are legs on the bottom

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Ignoramus
They float. Just look at the sprites, necros don't have to carry anything

Inmate
Inmate

Draqoona

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Carnalpleasure
Staves: -5
Swords: +/-0
Scythes: +5
Bows: +10

Huh, so it's once again better if healers an supporters don't wear staves.

Gauntlets: -5
What?

Methnerd
Methnerd

What classes go well with 4kat Masurao, Barrage Pugilist and Broker Necro?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Methnerd
4kat Masurao
Shield Dragoon.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Deadlyinx
can a dragoon and a necromancer work on the same team?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Spamalot
You won't be able to use the bunker, the necro really needs all those three spots

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spamalot
Bunkers are not mandatory for them.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Just started EO3 on an emulator, as I can't be hassled with my old DS anymore, got like 20-25hours into it on that a long time ago, but restarting on my pc instead.
Anyways, I went with
Hop / Glad
Arb / Mage / Monk
Any important skills I should get early? Is there much difference between sword and club for Glad? And I know farming parties is a thing, is there an item that passivly give them xp, or should I just give the the quest xp from missions? And what's the optimal group for it? 4 farmers and a class that reduces enemy encounter?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@viagrandad
get a point in barrages early for the first stratum boss
nine smashes is butts and gladiators have garbo luck for the club disabling skills, just use sword
rush etheric charge on zodiac so you can shit out retarded limit skills
common skills > combat study, max that shit out for every bench member

cum2soon
cum2soon

@viagrandad
Any important skills I should get early?
Arb has terrible Tp but Giant Kill is one of the best passives in the series - just get that until level 8 or so.
You might want Volt Barrage for the first boss for... reasons.

Is there much difference between sword and club for Glad?
Swords are by far the better choice.
While clubs have the higher damage potential their best skill is super inaccurate.
Like "you will miss way more than hit" inaccurate.
Since Glad also has low TP you can get away with just raising Sword Mastery for a while and normal attacking.

is there an item that passivly give them xp, or should I just give the the quest xp from missions?
Combat Study in the generic skill tree.
Per point they get 1% battle XP while at home - at ten they get 10% while a person in a five man party gets 20%.

Give them three points in it instantly and give them more points for every level up (you need to look after them for a while).
When it's maxed out you can finally invest into gather stuff.
Until then you can get money from the sea map, discovering a trade route gives a few hundred En.

4 farmers and a class that reduces enemy encounter?
Yes. The class that reduces enemy encounters (or completely disables them) is Farmer. So just run five of them.

5mileys
5mileys

@Playboyize
@cum2soon
Thank you! That is really helpful. And I was so tempted at going clubs for the confusion skill and such,

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I want this paradin to feel my paraDICK

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I still don't have any idea of what I want my team composition to be, so rate my potato instead.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Dreamworx
you sick fuck

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@BinaryMan
Those colors are all over the place
7/10 it has originality at least

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BinaryMan
8/10 would eat

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Nojokur
Defend when he explodes. He does it like a turn after combining.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

There's no downside to taking a Shaman and reclassing them to Herba to keep the Shaman portrait right?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@5mileys
Funnily enough Glads can actually land the confusion.
Their TEC and LUC is so bad it undermines the formula.

But they would have no big damage skill and since accumulated resistances don't fall off in EOIII they can usually inflict it once at most per boss fight.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Sharpcharm
Yes. As far as the game is concerned a Brouni is a Brouni.

@BinaryMan
I like it/10

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methnerd
Shaman to buff your 4kat. Hell Slash can use elements

Maybe a support reaper for shriveling and defense debuff since the 4kat should do all the movies

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Emberfire
does their low tech and luc actually fuck with the formula? im really curious about this

idontknow
idontknow

You can't change a portrait in V after character creation right? Only recolor them?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@idontknow
Only recolor

Inmate
Inmate

@idontknow
I guess you can retire, starting at level 30, if you need to change portraits.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nude_Bikergirl
@Inmate
Fug. I need to remake my puglist with a the generic portrait then. Not a fan of the class art.

Maybe I'll just make a bunny puglist instead since I'm starting over anyways and I'm still early in the game.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RavySnake
not liking tittylist

faaaaaaaaaag

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@RavySnake
Somehow I get the feeling that there is no middle ground for the pugilist portraits. Either you love them or you just take a generic one.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Is there any way to view the 3d models in EOV? iirc EO2U had a way of viewing them but I forgot how.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@eGremlin
tumor lover

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Playboyize
Guilty as charged

massdebater
massdebater

@eGremlin
I don't like the way the hair looks in that action pose they're doing. That's my only real gripe with it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@BlogWobbles
Thick Warlock thighs

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@massdebater
Would you have preferred these?
@ZeroReborn
warlocc

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BlogWobbles
tfw both female warlocks are tittymonsters
tfw no warlock loli to go full EXUPLOSIOOON with

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TalkBomber
that short hair
All of my money

Techpill
Techpill

@TalkBomber
That's better than the big ahoge mohawk that we got.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Burnblaze
I don't even want titymonsters or loli, I just want normal size tatas

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TalkBomber
dyke hair

Nah

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TalkBomber
Make the tits smaller and we have a deal.

TechHater
TechHater

@Spazyfool
Gay

Methshot
Methshot

@Spazyfool
何が?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@ZeroReborn
These are normal sized outside of asia.

girlDog
girlDog

@ZeroReborn
To be fair, in her actual portrait, her tits are moderate size, compared to pugilist and necro

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@iluvmen
In the Monstrous Codex under the book in the Y-menu.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TalkBomber
Why Himukai, why did you not choose these? If portrait modding is ever possible....

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TalkBomber
Too manly, do not like

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TreeEater
big (brown) breasts are the future of EO

5mileys
5mileys

When do you unlock legendary names in V? Getting tired of watching my potato miss every status.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Harmless_Venom
They better have bunny ears on them

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@haveahappyday
What, you want your gay little frilly girly stuff? Just leave the females with rough abs to the real men then

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@5mileys
After second stratum boss

Potato will always be a shitty status user

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Harmless_Venom
I want that braid girl to bully my dick

Flameblow
Flameblow

@BunnyJinx
Potato will always be a shitty status user
Then what are potatoes good for? Just healing?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Harmless_Venom
3/4 grills are cts
Noice

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Boy_vs_Girl
Go ahead, enjoy getting pegged by your dickless dude while a appreciate real women

likme
likme

@Harmless_Venom
legions
regionsu

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Flameblow
Healing, and buffin(shaman). If you want to use the class for status, you have to reclass from another race, or something

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BlogWobbles
So my botanist potato is useless in a fight. What a shame.
Maybe I'll reclass to shaman, but I already have a Dragoon doing buffs.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@likme
Blame English. Normal languages spell words the way they're pronounced.
If you want it to be read like "leejuns" then it should've been written so.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Flameblow
potato dragoons are bretty gud
Also potatoes will always be the best for onahole

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Flameblow
They have terrible LUC for infliction.
Great WIS for healing and magical bulk, good INT for magical attacking, ok AGI and physical bulk.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Bidwell
they can use a smoke skill and smoke rot to debuff enemy elemental defences, but they cannot do anything else besides healing

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Bidwell
Healer Botanists have an overheal passive which is a nice defence.
And INT-based equipment skills are ok with them.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I bet pugilists would be nice to hug with the contrast between big soft tits and nice muscled body

Illusionz
Illusionz

Anyone tried out Brouni warlock or Celestrian botanist?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@King_Martha
You are a man of taste

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@King_Martha
Pugilist looks so nice in fanart.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@King_Martha
I want a puglist onee-san

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperGod
I want a tomboy pugilist osananajimi

Playboyize
Playboyize

@King_Martha
I wish old man dragoon had straight hair like that in the game.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BinaryMan
I want an older tomboy pugilist osananajimi with rabbit ears

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@King_Martha
I gave mine a Tomboyish voice, according to the game, and she sometimes bark at the enemies while hitting them hard, wtf

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Do we have a seiyuu list for the character creation?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
tomboys
not barking

askme
askme

How are dodge Fencers supposed to be built like?
I hear predict is shit, so should I just invest 3 skills points enought to unlock wind curtain, and everything else on Wind curtain, Optic thrust, Slyphid and Rapier Mastery?

WebTool
WebTool

@askme
You should invest everything in optic trust and sylphid, then after you unlock your second name go for unburdened and deft thrust and whatever else you want to have there

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@WebTool
How good/realiable are Ray of Light, Pile on and Divine wind?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Is Tri-Magic worth the point?

Methshot
Methshot

@Bidwell
You don't want to use Union to hit the enemies with raw damage, especially if that damage can easily be matched by class skills.
Chain Blast is way stronger since it's infliction rate is crazy high.

Evilember
Evilember

@hairygrape
halfway to senate meeting
runs into someone at bend in sidewalk
looking at the big tiddy bunny red in the face when all the sudden the toast is ready
it ejaculates the toast into his mouth and he begins choking with a weird plate sticking out of his mouth
bunny doesn't know what the fuck is going on

Methnerd
Methnerd

@ZeroReborn
Divine wind
Really situational
Ray of light
Decent, but not the first skill to focus
Pile on
What's this?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Skullbone
This is the formula for EOIII and EOIV - not for EOV!

Ailment Score A = (2 * Attacker's LUC + Attacker's TEC) - (2 * Target's LUC + Target's TEC)

If A is less than or equal to -18, then X = Skill Accuracy
If A is greater than -18, but less than 22, then X = [{1.17 + 0.83 * sin(0.07 * A - 0.20)} * Skill Accuracy]
If A is greater than or equal to 22, then X = 2 * Skill Accuracy

Infliction Rate = X + a random number from 0 to 9

Now, if you try to calculate infliction rates for an ailment score between -17 and 21, you might find that it gives a multiplier of 1.14 to 1.18 to the base infliction chance and wonder what the fuss is about.
This is because you are calculating in degree - EOIII is calculating in radian (there are other formulas that also use sin - and they only make sense in radian).

And with radian the infliction chance (before taking enemy resistances or passives into account) for an ailment score of -17 with Crushing Blow 10 is a measely 17% - 26%.
But for an ailment score of -18 (which means even less TEC and LUC than the enemy) it suddenly jumps to 50% - 59%.

EOIV uses exactly the same formula - but it calculates in degree.
Which makes it still a strange graph but not as nonsensical as in EOIII.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Is lingering scent a buff?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Methnerd
Pile on
What's this?
Not that user but it's Lure's JP name.

Inmate
Inmate

@Methnerd
What's this?
"This turn, after dodging, all allies in the same row will follow-up with an attack on that enemy."
Decent, but not the first skill to focus
Ok, then what are some of the skills I should focus on? Aside form unburdened.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@SniperGod
It's a buff on the Botanist, yes.
It runs up to 9 turns which is pretty long.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@PurpleCharger
Oh just on the Botanist, that's alright then.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Why do you need to pay more for your room when you get stronger?
You don't take up more space, nor do you wear down the furniture faster, you're loyal customers, and as you become famous you're even free advertisement for the inn.

viagrandad
viagrandad

do the dogs and ghosts get sprites? i can't find any pics of them. what do they look like?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@ZeroReborn
more musk

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@ZeroReborn
because you can afford it

Flameblow
Flameblow

@viagrandad
Wraiths are a mystery.
The dogs and hawks can only be seen somewhat in Rover sprites.
They themselves have none.

WebTool
WebTool

@Flameblow
that is extremely gay

RavySnake
RavySnake

@viagrandad
Put one point into each elemental barrage, and not a single point more. It'll serve you well throughout the game.

For the Gladiator, use swords, get a point in Rush and then aim for that one skill that hits a lot.

For the Hoplite, get Line Guard and Bodyguard, but then put all your points into the elemental guards until they're all maxed (especially if you want to do Sea Quests), afterwards max Line Guard.

The Zodiac benefits greatly from Etheric Charge, and while you're at it, Dark Ether will be very useful too.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@GoogleCat
posts a non-innkeeper

Bidwell
Bidwell

@viagrandad
There's a generic ghost enemy just hanging around later so it's probably that

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Stupidasole
posts someone who affords things

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@cum2soon
Wait, no - I am mistaken.
Shared Nostrum is only on the Botanist.
Lingering Scent is on everyone.
However it always copies the last Herb skill recieved, not the one used on a given turn.

So if you use a full party (or two line targeted) Refreshing or Freeing Herb and no other Herb afterwards allies will always cleanse their ailments or binds at the end of a turn as long as the buff is running.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@ZeroReborn
nor do you wear down the furniture faster
Maybe your guild doesn't.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Stupidasole
I'd sleep in Erie's inn, if you know what I mean. By which I mean I want to marry her and share a home with her. And a bed.

FastChef
FastChef

How do I skill dodge Fencers and what do I even do with them? I guess I can't just attack with Deft Thrust because it outspeeds my chains so I do I just cast Divine Gust and Phantom Swords all the time?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Bidwell
do you have a pic?

Evilember
Evilember

@Supergrass
I'd also learn to spell Edie's name right, then.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@lostmypassword
canada looks pregnant

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@ZeroReborn
You get better and better rooms.
Level 1 adventurers sleep in the backyard on the floor.
Level 2 adventurers are allowed to press themselves against the outside walls of the inn.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Sir_Gallonhead
very scary open with caution

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@eGremlin
SPOOPTOBER WARNING

Bidwell
Bidwell

@eGremlin
Jesus fuck user, this is a SFW board.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@FastChef
Chains have priority.
They go before anything that doesn't have priority itself but after Union skills.

So the Chain Fencer will have the Chain ready before Deft Thrust activates.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stark_Naked
Holy shit, I was having an actual retard moment. Thanks.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Fuzzy_Logic
Oh nice. How do Predict, Wind Curtain and Divine Gust work then, when do I cast what?

askme
askme

Heavy Ferule

The hard part of the mushroom, on the tip of its "leg". Heavy, and commonly thrown away.

Are we carrying around giant mushroom dongs?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@askme
not everything's gotta be a dick joke
unless it's those 6th stratum enemies

idontknow
idontknow

@Firespawn
Predict goes even before Chains.
Wind Curtain has 40% speed between 1 and 4 and 120% speed at 5. So it's never too fast.
Divine Gust has a 150% speed modifier at all levels so it's a bit faster.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@askme
Because someone is paying money for them.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
I always imagined it as your guild huddling together in a shabby room in the beginning but at you become richer from your trips to the labyrinth you progress to more luxurious rooms and services like premium bathhouses and weapon maintenance. This is also why when your gathering team rests it's cheap as fuck, because the money is handled by the main party and they don't care for the non-uniquely named gatherers.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nude_Bikergirl
not giving each of your gatherers intricate backstories and interactions

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
They should be thankful that I denote their races with letters in EOV and gave them appropriate portraits. Past ones weren't so lucky.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@idontknow
No I meant that the skills appear a bit redundant, especially Predict. I'm not sure where to put my points and what to regularly use during combat.

Evilember
Evilember

I'm approaching the end of the game, and this is making me sad. I'm going to miss my party so much.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@DeathDog
gathering party in V
is it really still necessary?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How do I get easy money?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@VisualMaster
Prostitution.
(Pretend that this post has a lewd picture, okay?)

TreeEater
TreeEater

@VisualMaster
Buy the DLC
(Pretend that this post has a picture of Edie, okay?)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@PackManBrainlure
I don't want to waste points and I don't have a potato anyway.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sir_Gallonhead
I can pretend, but it would be much better if it had one

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

EOII I have no idea, I'm playing it right now and I sometimes don't even have enough money for a Warp Wire or an Inn and need to kill some lower-level enemies to scrape together enough loot to sell.

In EOIII money is probably the easiest to come by, with fishing and whaling in the early-game, and Farmer (later Ninja/Farmer) squads passively levelled through Combat Training later on.

In EOIV money was never a problem for me either since there are plenty of gathering spots everywhere, you can sell all the food you collect with your airship, and you don't need to retreat and heal as often as in other games.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
@TreeEater
By your powers combined.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Sir_Gallonhead
I'm having a hard time imagining one. Perhaps you can post one instead?

WebTool
WebTool

@Sir_Gallonhead
Which race/class would make the best prostitute?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@WebTool
Therian of course

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Deadlyinx
he sniped me

iluvmen
iluvmen

@WebTool
Nene

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@WebTool
shaman

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@WebTool
Brownies, imagine the premium prices you could get from pedos

Supergrass
Supergrass

@WebTool
tittymancer

Skullbone
Skullbone

@WebTool
Tutelary Forest

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Burnblaze
still carrying his drive blade
Always prepared!

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Deadlyinx
I would buy a lewd Edie DLC, but for now I'll just make do with the sauce

viagrandad
viagrandad

@ZeroReborn
Oh.
Well, Predict is useful for FOEs that only have single target attacks - like the Toxipedes in the demo.
Outside of that it will not help your team against line or party attacks and if your Fencer gets attacked multiple times they will likely die since the evasion falls off so fast but the damage multiplier increases.

Wind Curtain is useful since it stays around for a few turns. Pretty damn expensive even for 14TP but heavy physical bosses can be made way less dangerous with it.
Still situational.

Now Divine Gust, while just as expensive at max, can actually be useful.
First - put someone that is not your Fencer in the first partly slot (top left position) and your Fencer in the second slot (top middle position with three people in the front, top right position with two people)
The person in the first slot should be an Earthlain or Therian if possible with some AGI investment so they have some evade on their own.
Second - use Divine Gust and Tri-Shield
This will protect you against party attacks

Party attacks travel from the top left party position to the bottom right position.
So if you are lucky (or not unlucky) your first party member should dodge, reducing the dodge chance of Divine Gust - but it should still be enough for a Dodge Fencer with Lightweight to also dodge.
And the rest of your party is protected with Tri-Shield.
Since Tri-Shield only depletes three union Gauges, you can repeat that up to three times if you have so many Earthlain.

Still not fully reliable and a bit cumbersome but it's one of the ways a Fencer can be used to defend the entire party.
Dodge Boon might even allow you to reload another Tri-Shield if you use an Earthlain Fencer and let them activate the first Tri-Shield.

WebTool
WebTool

@Sir_Gallonhead
user!
This is a SFW board!

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@eGremlin
https://exhentai.org/g/332056/6bb46cbe23/

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

EO5 stratum 1 boss kicking my ass.

girlDog
girlDog

Fuck the dragon zombie and his gay ass blinding breath that also explodes whenever anyone uses a fire attack

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Spazyfool
Struggle with a Hexer until the first boss, get its conditional drop by killing it with poison, have enough money for the time being.
Make your way to the tenth floor to cause the first boss to respawn and now you can farm it for infinite money.
It takes 14 days to respawn so make a level 1 character and let it sleep at the inn 14 times (you safe money with a dedicated low level sleep character - I suggest you call her Sleepy.)

Inmate
Inmate

@WebTool
Necros.
If they are dead or undead they are sturdy so you can go to town.
If they are alive and just paint themselves like that they are into kinky shit which is almost as good.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@WebTool
Obviously

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@cum2soon
implying is not a condom

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@BunnyJinx
level up

Skullbone
Skullbone

@WebTool
Don't ask questions like this, please

Evilember
Evilember

@Skullbone
What's wrong with asking questions about the sex life of the 5 cute girls in my party?

likme
likme

Does Imbue increase Int or Luc? The skill calc says Int but in game it's Luc and the JP wiki also says it's Luc.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@likme
don't trust the skill calculator, it's incredibly wrong about so many things

Skullbone
Skullbone

@likme
just save, upgrade then reset

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@BinaryMan
good doujin series
Hypatia would be the better prostitute though

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@likme
Tested it - it's LUC.

Methshot
Methshot

Should I play III after I'm done with V or should I wait for the untold

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methshot
wait for the untold
what untold?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@iluvmen
the last game on the 3ds will be untold 3, r-right?

TechHater
TechHater

@Methshot
It will be a massive step back in many ways - I hope you like retro gaming.

There is no 3 Untold confirmed (just another entry... probably... maybe... hopefully...) so even if they make it it might take a while until it get released in JP.
And localisation might take even longer.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Lord_Tryzalot
Right

@Methshot
Play 3 anyway. Then you'll get to appreciate (or hate) the changes

cum2soon
cum2soon

@King_Martha
this is lovely

FastChef
FastChef

Touch Nene.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@King_Martha
where are my pugilist doujins

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

NO!
What the fuck is this shit?
I avoided any sort of information about EO5 so I can discover literally everything about the game for the first time while playing and what the fuck is this shit.

Fucking gay elvs? Lunarians from 2hu? And Anime Hobbits? NO!
Fuck that. I just want my humans. I fucking hate it. And then classes are restricted to the fucking races. I mean I guess it makes sense but FUCK I need to have a fucking Hobbit as healslut in the team and atleast one piece of shit nigger elv to have some sort of magical damage.

Nah, uh uh. Fuck that shit. Give me Humans that heal, humans that do magic shit. I'm going back to EOU2.

Methshot
Methshot

@FastChef
inappropriately

massdebater
massdebater

Is it generally bad to put gather skills on your main party so you don't have to make a gathering party?

Inmate
Inmate

@Nude_Bikergirl
just alter class your humans into botanists and gas the elves

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Nude_Bikergirl
If you aren't just shitposting I want y to know you can make any race any class.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TreeEater
Wait.
What?
How?! TELL ME

askme
askme

@Nojokur
just beat the initial mission

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Nojokur
Play the game for more than 5 minutes

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@askme
That still means I have to stick with the average FF XIV party for a coule of minutes.

But hey, atleast there is a light shining at the end of the tunnel.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Nude_Bikergirl
@Nojokur
After the tutorial mission you can Alter Class - any race can be any class.
Their stats don't change however so humans suck at healing and magic.

However, there are DLC portraits that can be used for any race. All of them are humans.
Pic related - plus blonde Gunner.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nude_Bikergirl
I need to have a fucking Hobbit as healslut
C A S U A L
A
S
U
A
L

just take a doggo and get on with it fuckboi, instead of retreating safely into Casual Odyssey 2 Funtold: Electric Boogaloo. 10F here and I have not used a potato in my guild for one fucking second.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@New_Cliche
Shut the fuck up

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@New_Cliche
DLC portraits can (and must) be used at character creation.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Nude_Bikergirl
Imaginary racism is funny

w8t4u
w8t4u

I don't know how it happened but I hope all the DLC gets leaked day one like SMT4A's did
Fuck that staggered release bullshit, Japan got everything except FM music day one, and that's presumably because the FM set wasn't ready

WebTool
WebTool

@King_Martha
What the fuck is that on the left?
The standard Shonen Self-Insert for the upcoming anime on TV Tokyo?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@WebTool
Say hello to isekai-kun

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@WebTool
Yeah, it's literally a generic Isekai protagonist portrait pack.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Fried_Sushi
Elv genocide best day of my life.

Remove long ears.

Emberburn
Emberburn

How to beat adventurers?
I'm playing as Hippogriff. I try to get as many as I can with one swipe but they can use that gay revive and when I try to block and heal they just spam ailments and binds. Should I try reclassing to Undead King or Driad?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Looks like the ebin memeing /v/ermins are finally here, took them long enough to find about the leak

happy_sad
happy_sad

what is with japan's obsession with school uniforms? it doesn't even belong here, it's a fucking fantasy universe, school ... i mean, what?!
it makes sense in persona. they're CURRENTLY going to school.
but what is this shit?

i thought only westerner retards worshipped dumbass school uniforms, but i guess the japanese do too, even though they have to wear them and they lose any semblance of exoticism.

Techpill
Techpill

@Emberburn
That's what you get for not investing into the foe summoning skill, might as well rest now.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx
I don't believe you.
Everything is completely normal

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@happy_sad
Fuck off, school uniforms are great regardless of if they belong or not

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Harmless_Venom
big brown breasts
das it, man, das da stuf
ay mamasita

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@GoogleCat
@New_Cliche
Oh wow.
I'm really getting fucking tired of that Otherworld bullshit.
And if you do it, atleast make an office worker or someone from the policeforce. Or literally ANYTHING more interesting than a highschool freshman.
I mean come on, FUCK. You already create this magical world with its own races, flora and fauna. History and future story.
AND THEN YOU JUST THROW A FUCKING HIGHSCHOOL STUDENT INTO IT?
Holy fuck, I guess the creative department have all jumped in front of the Shinkansen after they were forced to make DLC portraits and someone scraped this shit through.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BunnyJinx
This thread was top quality until you posted.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Why are annoying memers posting in etrian general all of the sudden

Emberburn
Emberburn

@TreeEater
I don't get it, who are you referring to? The guy who willingly lived under a rock? Try to be understanding

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

What's a decent party that includes 4kat and necro?
I want to use a different team than I used in the demo.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TreeEater
because people keep getting redirected here because of the leaks

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TreeEater
everyone's getting hype for release
also v thread(s)
also apparently game leaked which odds are brings in "I hacked my 3ds and won't shut the fuck up about it" people

Skullbone
Skullbone

@GoogleCat
elemancer, barrage, cannon

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@happy_sad
it's DLC, who gives a shit

StonedTime
StonedTime

@happy_sad
They have a word for "death by overwork".
They play games on their portable console while riding overcrowded trains to and from their 13 hour shift (only 8 hours are paid, of course - you are just expected to work longer).
The last time they had any free time or felt like humans was in high school so they glorify that time and insert it into everything.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@happy_sad
It's just a bunch of kids who got isekai'd in Etrian Odyssey's Universe

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TreeEater
Just shut up and post Ricky

Nojokur
Nojokur

@King_Martha
So what the fuck is black hair holding and what sort of class does a guitar(?) wielder spec into?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@GoogleCat
Dragoon to protect your 4kat before you have 9999 HP Wraiths (if you want to use those).
Barrage Pugilist if you want to use Hell Slash since they can cause 5 chases.
A Herbalist to keep your Dragoon alive.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@MPmaster
9999 HP Wraiths
How

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Firespawn
Zombie Powder tries to instantly kill an enemy and creates a Wraith with its remaining HP.
There is a FOE in the 4th stratum that is weak to instant death with over 10k HP but allies are capped at 9999HP.

It's cheesy and you would need to walk everywhere but they can be used for Fair Trade to deal 9999HP damage or for Fierce Shield.
Even though Wraiths take a ton of damage they can block quite some hits with so much HP.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberfire
so that pretty much breaks then game, funny how they overlooked this

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
Shh, they'll get mad at you. Some guy posted yesterday that he had cancelled his pre-order when he found out about this game breaking garbage and the shills here (see: every eog poster) wanted to sell the game so bad they deflected and spammed reaction images and pretended it's not a real issue.
Reminder end game bosses have only 30,000 health, this game breaking shit makes them impossible to lose to.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nojokur
Kendo stick.
The guitar case is actually a coffin case. Her's is a smaller version with a longer blade for isekai travelling

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Nude_Bikergirl
You can just, you know, not use it

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Is there an item àla the ones at the end of the later sttatums in EO4? Where you'll get a level-up item?

In EOV

Spamalot
Spamalot

@King_Martha
DAHK FUREIMU BUREIDU
oh boy
I hope that those end up being optional aside from any other bonus, "lore-friendlier" portraits.
Probably won't though.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StrangeWizard
Eh, there are way more broken things in the game.

@Nude_Bikergirl
Some guy posted yesterday that he had cancelled his pre-order when he found out about this game breaking garbage
And he totally, actually had the game pre-ordered - super promise.
He totally wasn't a troll that just wanted to shit in the general because he is so damn clever.
Reminder end game bosses have only 30,000 health
Also you can deal a billion damage in one hit if you don't know anything about the game but pretend to do so.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Fried_Sushi
10/10 grammar

MPmaster
MPmaster

Any kind user wants to start the magic project of modding portraits? Pretty please?

Imagine have disponible all the portraits of the series
Make the ultimate team: All the blondies MC

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Spamalot
Those are DLC portraits.
In addition to those there is the blonde Gunner but that's it.

The actual ingame portraits are a not more fitting.

@Fried_Sushi
After the second stratum you get 5 scrolls that each bring a party member to level 20 (although your party will be around 25 at least).
That's it however.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Nude_Bikergirl
if you're using two necros you're better off just grave dancing for 5000% damage per turn while your three other members can do whatever they want
games more exploitable than 4

5mileys
5mileys

@RumChicken
I thank you!

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Fried_Sushi
that is one cute Fort-chan.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@5mileys
Post more cuties

girlDog
girlDog

@MPmaster
dat spanglish
how horrid

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Fried_Sushi
I want to breach this fort's defences.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@girlDog
Fuck you, the idea is neat.

massdebater
massdebater

@Fuzzy_Logic
You need to work your magic for that.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@MPmaster
How about you do it

Soft_member
Soft_member

Honestly?
I would have wished for more older people sprites.
The dragoon one and the rabbit grandma are top tier.
An entire team out of old veteran explorers. Now that would've been rad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ogo6N3stQ

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@AwesomeTucker
For-chan is always cute, even when she is being brutally raped

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Do elves make good healers and ailment casters?

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
nah

Methshot
Methshot

@Crazy_Nice
I don't even know from where to start

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Garbage Can Lid
They have the second best WIS for healing and the second best LUC for infliction.
But they are by far the slowest race so you have to keep that in mind.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Garbage Can Lid
They good at both, but not as good as Earthlains for aliments or Brownies for heals, but they still make the best smoke botanists

Evilember
Evilember

@PurpleCharger
What's that in the bottom left? I can't tell because of the censorship.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Soft_member
rabbit grandma
top tier
eww, no, just no

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BlogWobbles
@girlDog
I don't really like the titties but I'm still taking her for the delicious thighs and those sweet, sweet armpits. She has a pretty great design overall, even if it could have been better.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Evil_kitten
@Bidwell
Well that's good to hear. I'm tired of my potato missing those blinds and poison clouds.
Time to respec.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Fried_Sushi
She is great by virtue of not just being a headswap like most other portraits. Himukai got real lazy for V

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Fried_Sushi
t. i only put girls in my team that I would fuck while I self insert as male fencer

Fuck off m8

Snarelure
Snarelure

Which one of you anons is this?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Soft_member
Fuckhuge Cestus with white hair looks pretty old.
Short haired male Warlock is also pretty ragged.
And Teach is of course older than Methusalem.

massdebater
massdebater

We all know that bobcut fort is best fort.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Snarelure
Me on the right.

massdebater
massdebater

@Evilember
We'll never know

Inmate
Inmate

@Snarelure
I don't deserve such a blessing...

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fuzzy_Logic
Teach is of course older than Methusalem
lmao

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Soft_member
I love old people in EO, I never use them, but I always apprecaite them. I do wish oldgoon was a bit thiner in the hari, it's a tad too fabolous.

@massdebater
I still haven't been able to chose, eyepatch got some great art, but bobcut looks so annoyed, and i love it.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@massdebater
She has been there for three games now, housewifing her way from Armoroad to Tharsis to Iorsys.
Always reliable and always strong.

Emberburn
Emberburn

so I was playing etrian odyssey II with the following party
Z-S-H
P-N
and I was doing the tactic of spamming dark ether with the ninja on the front row for a constant free casting of meteor+five ring sword+line guard
It worked, but needless to say it was fucking boring and I replaced the hoplite with a Wildling to add more damage and a way to spread binds

And I think I fucked up.

Anyway, for now what's the best subclass for a wildling?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Stupidasole
Yea, I knew she was in EO3, but three other games? EO3, EO4, but what's the third? I'm so confused. Unless you mean Bobcut Dragoon in EOV in which case yes I totally did give my her the right hair color and everything.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stupidasole
@CouchChiller
oh fuck, never mind I didn't see Iorsys sorry. I'm lying in bed with my glasses off on my phone.

Methnerd
Methnerd

1kat / Impact pug
Babysitter Dragoon / 420 Herbalist

I'm trying to find a 5th.
At first I went with another pug (barrage) so I could get some binds and buff my other pug with Overexertion but I've only just noticed it has a 0.4 speed multiplier so I don't even get a free turn on it. The second pug feels shoehorned when I don't even get a free turn on my impact pug because of that slow ass skill.
Any ideas?

PS : Warlock fits anywhere but feels really weak compared to what my other characters are capable of.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Emberburn
You retired the most important class in the game for a gimmick class?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Booteefool
yes

you can't imagine how fucking boring the game had become, I swear to fucking god that wasn't a game anymore, just a chore

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Emberburn
Wildling gets worse as the game goes on because accumulated resistances don't fall off.
Their damage is low and sooner than later bosses will be immune to everything.

Their TEC is not completely horrible so maybe they can to something with a Zodiac sub?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Hold on.
Iorys is the starting town in EOV.
IOSYS is the group behind the song FOE!

Coincidence?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@massdebater
...Huh Which anone is this?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@kizzmybutt
Didn't know the wildling was that bad, just when I though I could have a way of dealing binds, I might change it into an arbalist for that sweet front mortar

my only issue then would be to level it, since it is going to be grossly underleveled compared to the rest of the party

Soft_member
Soft_member

@kizzmybutt
I know this isn't what you mean, but I find it funny that your comment makes it sound like the stratum 5 boss will be immune to ailments because it's benefiting from all accumulated resistance from the stratum 1-4 bosses.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Spamalot
Hopefully - if not it was a localisation meme since the town Aeolis in JP.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@cum2soon
Wilding is completely worthless in EO3 since everybody important does AoE damage and has a shit ton of resistances. You could have just left one at the guild with combat study 10 if you wanted to use one.

whereismyname
whereismyname

penetrad a la Jenetta

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@BlogWobbles
the "fuck you" was more aimed at your implication of how crucial tanks are when I never needed one to complete any other EO game

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Soft_member
I can see them use that mechanic for some inter-linked 6th Stratum FOEs...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Spamalot
EO5 ALSO HAS BUNNY PEOPLE
IOSYS MADE A SONG ABOUT UDONGE CALLED OVERDRIVE
UDONGE IS A TOUHOU
COULD THE BUNNY PEOPLE BE ACTUALLY FROM TOUHOU?
ZUN CONFIRMED THE GAME ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE IN GENSOKYO DURING THE STORY ARC OF LoT2 HOLY FUCK SO DEEP

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Methnerd
Cannon Dragoon or Harbinger

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I thought that this series was supposed to be this ultra hostile and unforgiving dungeon crawling, but I doesn't feel like that at all, since you can return to the town and real with the press of a button, so you never really feel caught off guard and forced to fight for your life. A shame

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@MPmaster
If people can't crack the portrait romfs for EO4 & EOUs what makes you think they can crack EOV's

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@ZeroReborn
ultra hostile and unforgiving
Not really. I mean I'd say it's harder than say the average Final Fantasy game, but there are much more unforgiving games out there.

Methshot
Methshot

how the fuck can I level a character that is 40 levels behind the rest of the party

TreeEater
TreeEater

@whereismyname
inseminate jenetta's breasts/spoiler]

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@ZeroReborn
Yes, yes. You can return to town anytime, so why not keep exploring a little bit longer, dear?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Methnerd
Necromancer has another defence debuff to increase your damage and their poison can help with clearing encounters quicker since much of your damage is single target.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@ZeroReborn
It has a reputation for not pulling punches with difficulty and streamlined design, not for being hostile and unforgiving. Though of course that's changed in the past few games. It's not 1994 anymore.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

/vg/thread/192239757#p192239757
/vg/thread/192239757#p192239757

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

When does Necromancer start becoming fun?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@ZeroReborn
ultra hostile and unforgiving dungeon crawling
Nah, it just has involved fights that are not won by brainlessly smashing the A button.
Some people just love to overhype any difficulty...

Playboyize
Playboyize

@PackManBrainlure
When TP become less scarce.
Or once you use Poison Bomb for random encounters the rest of your party can not kill in one turn.
At least I enjoy melting enemies.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Spazyfool
I'm running smoke herbalist specifically for the poison already. I have a dragoon that's using 1-2 summon slots most of the time so necro wouldn't work too well.

@Supergrass
How's cannon dragoon in practice? the damage multipliers look nice on paper but my regular dragoon did abysmal damage (I wasn't using him for damage but still, it was really bad).

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@King_Martha
no glasses alt for the schoolboy

massdebater
massdebater

@GoogleCat
You can extract them, but not pack them back, at least with a working result.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Deadlyinx
the boy has the least changes of all
aside from the sword color, he may as well just be a custom palette
sexism(lazy himukai)

Methnerd
Methnerd

@StrangeWizard
Dog Rover has arm bind, leg bind and a defence debuff.
But that might be too much support.

You have neither enough buff slots for a Shaman nor enough debuff slots for a Deathguard Reaper...
Maybe you can not push your Impact Brawler further - so an Omnimancer has access to arm binds while Amplifier can help your weed elf'S Smoke Bombs.

girlDog
girlDog

@Nude_Bikergirl
Zombie Powder is broken because you can carry ghosts up 10 floors just to use it on one boss and have to avoid every FOE because you don't have enough ghosts to spare

Or you can just use buster cannon and do more damage than 3 ghosts together all the time

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@girlDog
what do people mean when they say you have to carry ghosts? do you have to collect them from a certain location? you can't just summon them?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Burnblaze
The main consistent method of generating high hp ghosts to exploit equivalent exchange is by abusing the instant death vulnerability of a 4th stratum FOE. Ghosts disappear when returning to town and there's no floor jump because this isn't a baby game for fuckers.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TreeEater
hmmm okay. what about this buster cannon? how were you able to do that damage?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Booteefool
not exactly sure but i'm guessing it involves overexertion + dance oracle + other random buffs / debuffs (high ground + armor pierce, possibly amplify / target arrow depending on party comp)

MPmaster
MPmaster

@girlDog
Hitting an FOE so hard they start to turn into a map.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Is there any reason I shouldn't strengthen my weapons if I have the mats for it? It's not like it costs any money.

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