/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

If only you knew how bad it really was Edition

Previous thread
/vg/thread/195309176#p195309176

FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34

What to Play
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/V7MzidCu

News
Roguecel ended and was a bunch of numales talking about notroguelikes.

New Sil fork out.

ADOM r81 released for free, get it here http://www.adom.de/home/downloads.html

/dev/null tribute tourney has begun!
Play it at hardfought.org

Infra Arcana 19.2 released
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/downloads

/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Roguelike Servers:

http://roguenex.us/ (CDDA, angband, PCB)
http://angband.live/ (Angband and variants, including PCB)
http://hardfought.org/ (Nethack and variants, including slex)

All urls found in this thread:
http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f
http://pastebin.com/V7MzidCu
http://www.adom.de/home/downloads.html
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/downloads
http://roguenex.us/
http://angband.live/
http://hardfought.org/
https://github.com/sil-quirk/sil-q/releases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog
http://www.thangorodrim.net/development/security.txt
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR/blob/master/changelog.txt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mtDGPKDMk
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20546
https://dpaste.de/ybAd
https://www.hardfought.org/hterm/
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Search
http://www.strawpoll.me/14421996
http://team-d13.com/monolith/
Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

First for Chei. Gettin' here early so I can take it easy.

JunkTop
JunkTop

what are some roguelikes which let you consume soy products as a male character?

girlDog
girlDog

metal slug is the best run&gun and sil is the best roguelike

StonedTime
StonedTime

PCB is the best worst roguelike

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@JunkTop
probably CDDA or Elona

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@JunkTop
Elona and slex for sure
i think you can become a tranny in some way in tome2 as well

Emberburn
Emberburn

@girlDog

Sil

Your roguelite is a mistake. I guess that's what happens when a person's design mindset has degenerated way too much ala Crawl memers and became too scared to grant the player an actual player option. The consumables are trash, the skills are trash, no spells, irrelevant ID game because the consumables are trash and you're left with a gameplay that's literally Metal Slug without guns but with stairs.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Emberburn
What's your favorite roguelike pastaanon

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Boy_vs_Girl

Tangledeep obviously.

iluvmen
iluvmen

tome combat > tangledeep combat = sil combat > doomrl combat > most other roguelikes combat > dcss combat > n*thack combat

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@girlDog
I'm not that other poster but I agree with some of his badly explained shitposts.

The leveling system that consists mostly of getting +1 to one number in one role or taking a perk that gives you +3 to another in another role is not terribly engaging.
Increasing your accuracy by 1 point may be powerful and significant but it sure as hell ain't interesting, and as a result a lot of sil's leveling and gearing is pretty dull to someone who doesn't already have some level of mastery in the system and the experience to feel how valuable that +1 is.

I mean I see sil players posting about the "amazing weapon" they just found which is just like their current longsword but with 1 higher accuracy or 1 higher defense. If you're not already a sil player those numbers just feel shitty.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@iluvmen
i like how waitrl is exactly in the middle

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@iluvmen
tome "combat"
That's a good one sweetie. I've seen the same two stupid videos you post every time your shit game gets mentioned and shilled on every roguelike related forum on the net, but if I wanted to play a digging simulator for retarded autists I would play Minecraft instead of your botnet money laundering psuedogame. It's not even a roguelike, honey.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Burnblaze
new sil fork out
no link to the release (which is also the changelog)
You really dropped the ball on this one. I'm very disappointed.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Is it unpossible to merge SilQ with mpaSil?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Harmless_Venom
nothing's unpossible if you can be bothered

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@JunkTop
OP here, I don't play *bands but I thought notifying the people who would care and know where to get it would be better than absolutely nothing or a bunch of links to offsite chatroom cancer.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Harmless_Venom
what all did mpa change exactly?
-free monster lore
-no perception checks for item id
-no christmas presents
anything else?
sounds pretty easy to implement yourself user

Inmate
Inmate

@PurpleCharger
Eh, Sil doesn't have especial flashy loot by and large but that just sounds like distorted perspectives on the part of those Sil posters you mentioned.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PurpleCharger
Explain in less than 50 words how this differs from every single other traditional rl like dcss or adom.
Slugposter clearly hasn't played anything other than nu-roguelikes and is probably a goon shill.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Inmate
I mean at least they're capable of enjoying the game.
When I play sil I have a boring and frustrating time leveling up, feeling like none of my levels actually do anything, seeing all the neat actually gameplay-changing feats that I can't take now because first I need to spend much more xp on +1tonumber...

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Skullbone
the good/bad artefacts in dcss are noticeably different and it has some good gimmick weapons as well

5mileys
5mileys

What is this sil fork you speak of op and why the fuck didn’t you just put it in the op you dumbass?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@5mileys
fork is silq
op didn't put it in the op because he is lazy and doesn't care about sil, all he knew was that anons were posting about new fork

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Supergrass
SIL DOESNT HAVE LEVELS YOU FAGGOT

Inmate
Inmate

@viagrandad
i'm sorry user, which term would you prefer I use to refer to "spending xp accrued from slaying enemies in order to increase the level of my character's various skills"

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Inmate
farming

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Harmless_Venom
SIL DOESNT HAVE FARMING YOU FAGGOT

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Burnblaze

Pre-compiled sil fork releases + Changelog
https://github.com/sil-quirk/sil-q/releases
You lazy asses

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Lord_Tryzalot
??
the fuck do you think you are doing when you are sitting there killing shit spawning at stairs for the minimal xp they give

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@RavySnake
So are these fixes to well known balance issues that most everyone could agree were necessary or if I ask what the definitive version of Sil is am I going to get twelve different answers? I'd like to try it out but I hate the idea of getting off on the wrong foot by trying out the wrong fork.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

So are these fixes to well known balance issues that most everyone could agree were necessary
Name literally ONE (1) roguelike where this is the case.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RavySnake
Jeez just giving you a hard time op, I'm just glad you didn't shit up the op with ***cord links :^)

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BunnyJinx
hellcrawl

likme
likme

@BunnyJinx
adom

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

what the fuck
adom's tiles and ascii versions apparently have different versions for their options and keybind files
if you have both versions on your system at once, swapping from one to the other will trigger a "your old config was from a different version so we replaced it with the defaults" on EVERY STARTUP

FastChef
FastChef

@kizzmybutt
why would you have one of those on your computer let alone both
fault

Illusionz
Illusionz

roguelikes where you can be american ?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

slashem extended

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Illusionz
/int/ memes are awful

happy_sad
happy_sad

/vg/thread/195309176#p195550582
/vg/thread/195309176#p195561571
person who calls things pretentious does not know the difference between tactics and strategy, yet attempts to post as if they did
Interesting.

takes2long
takes2long

@Illusionz
Steamband

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BunnyJinx

Elona+

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TalkBomber
Yes. Heavy weapons are much more viable and blunt weapons work better against armored enemies by bypassing 1/4th of their armor rating. You can now beat Ancalagon to a pulp as a high strength dorf by smithing and wielding a 4d6 warhammer of dragonslaying.
What more could you want?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Nethack doesn't even require skill, it's all just wiki reading/trial and error.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Hm, maybe I could summon some high level ghosts later.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@VisualMaster
no spellbooks in inventory
how did you summon a thing

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

/rlg/ needs more people posting their roguelike runs all over the thread.thless we play roguelikes the more we create an environment where people give more attention to shitposts and dumb memeposters thrive in.
You can do it /rlg/. I'm looking at PCB-R's user with his elemental and sword, the dcss fork posters, sil posting and everything. Even nethack, why aren't you posting your /null/ runs guys who are playing in Amy's team? We can take back our thread from the cesspit it has been progressively stagnating in the last two years. We can us our staff of light to illuminate the thread and send the trolls fleeing.
You know you can fight it, I believe in you!

Let's all play our best today!

idontknow
idontknow

@CodeBuns

In fact most classes may cast spells without the use of a book, yes.

WebTool
WebTool

@likme
i thought adom have in new versions just shit like new quests with no utility and uncomfortable interface for tards. as well as lagging look command and sjw female versions of monsters that is ugly drawn. and ofcourse general tiles of dungeon floor&walls and monsters is redrawn so your eyes will hurt from glossy monsters and overdetailed floors and walls

happy_sad
happy_sad

@CodeBuns
@idontknow
Actually, it was a Ring of Wizardry with A:Summon Phantasmal Servant

takes2long
takes2long

>>195583028
Fuck you, Richard.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Boy_vs_Girl
elemental and sword
Elemental is retired and living a comfortable life as a cyclone in third world countries. Sword died a pitiful death.

Going Steel Dragon, now. Can't go wrong with pure, brute force.

Haven't found any good resistance, yet.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@iluvmen
Steel Dragon

i am truly sorry for your lots

TechHater
TechHater

concentration is apparently mana regeneration, and literacy affects fail rates of scrolls
but aside from that none of these skills seem useful at all

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Carnalpleasure
Ffffuck, are they bad too? I wanted to try something strong, but interesting.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Harmless_Venom
I wanted to try something strong, but interesting.
Also, I'm open to recommendations!

This is PCB-R, so I don't have to worry about EXP penalties ruining my life... I think? Not sure how that works.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TechHater
in early game you should max concentration and then first aid or maybe swimming. later food preservation is very useful and stealth is not bad at all.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@CodeBuns
well I probably will not get to use this advice since my naked mindcrafter just stumbled into a pit full of poisonous vipers
the confusion wave which cost nearly all of my pp doesn't seem to have affected many of them either

StonedTime
StonedTime

oh no what I actually died from was zapping my wand of ball lightning, which evidently causes self damage

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
mindcrafter one of the most hard classes

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Skullbone
Ohh, this looks cool.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@StonedTime
(pic)

@Gigastrength
yes but have you considered that psychic powers are cool

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lunatick
but for first games better choose some mage classes or barbarian, those are most easy. also don't play mist elves. never.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

second character

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

elegant tactical gameplay: always kick doors open from a diagonal or you'll be murdered by traps

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Deadlyinx
better though just don't kick doors while walking around with 28 hp

Techpill
Techpill

oh no

hairygrape
hairygrape

/vg/thread/195309176#p195572872

sounds like GearHead with less anime.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Skullbone

I prefer adom since you can find truly ridiculous weapons early [not even arts] and carry them through the entire game [one of my winners was a drac w-smith with a normal steel longsword of devastation]

that and I like wading through popcorn

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Lunatick
psychic powers are cool but not when your dedicated psychic power keybind is fucking ctrl + i and it can't be changed

cum2soon
cum2soon

i would worship this things pussy and/or dick.

viagrandad
viagrandad

oh neat there's an enemy that hits to paralyze and shares its glyph+color with a different, more common, easier enemy
I guess you have to 'l'ook at every z to avoid instadeath

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@cum2soon
You mean her opalescent cloaca

Inmate
Inmate

@Deadlyinx
@viagrandad
play ADoM
complain when it's shit
Do you also eat popsicles and complain when they are cold?

FastChef
FastChef

@iluvmen
Retired as in dead or parked
Did you win

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Ignoramus
i want to kite her into a kill-hole away from the prudes that inhabit holy pan eat it out while she holds my head there greedily and makes my scalp tingle with those holy branded claws.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@viagrandad
@Deadlyinx
If you don't have stockholm syndrome for hacklikes don't play them. Wow that was hard.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Skullbone
Damn it user, I've jerked off twice today already.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@LuckyDusty
Try the rune sword with that dude and buy a whole equipment of stuff to curse
You get 30 damaged with 0d0 and +2 speed while fully cursed so it gets pretty silly
Also permacursed items are a must for maladicts because of the spell that uncurses all your gear while healing you of 750 points with 40 sp since you can keep casting it over and over with permacursed items
Make sure to be chaotic so you get virtue enhanced spellrates

Techpill
Techpill

someone explain to me what "old pork" tastes like

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@cum2soon
not giving her a pearl necklace
Are you even trying

Spamalot
Spamalot

now i see the wisdom of not kicking doors
it's fine though i still have 1 hp

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate
lol, adom have the finest balance. at least in early game it's quite straightforward, late and mid game is another story.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CouchChiller
Who did you mean to respond to?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Garbage Can Lid
I mean she still has animal intelligence so it'd be risky. She wouldn't understand and would probably just bite it. If you want an amiable response you need to make her feel good.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@FastChef
Parked. Was running low on heals, and my damage was incredibly mediocre. Wasn't worth hours of grinding to win.

@Carnalpleasure
Neato. ill give it a try later

TreeEater
TreeEater

I'd totally play a Metal Slug roguelike desu

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TreeEater
It'd be a lot like DoomRL, I guess. Might be fun.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@hairygrape
DoomRL but with vehicles
Sounds good to me.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
Ooh shit, that sounds good. Probably also could be simpler and even more arcade-y and fast.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

this is fine

i wanted this

King_Martha
King_Martha

rather than engulfing, vortices in this game just blow themselves up in your face

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BunnyJinx
[screaming intensifies]

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Boy_vs_Girl
OKAY I will make you proud and beat Tangledeep!

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Illusionz
Liberal Crime Squad

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Boy_vs_Girl
I'll do that next week when I'm done with my shit

RumChicken
RumChicken

/vg/thread/195309176#p195572872
I wish there was a game like that.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BinaryMan
You should really eat more fiber.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Boy_vs_Girl
Am I allowed to post adom runs?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fuzzy_Logic
post, i may answer your silly questions.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

find one forge at 100'
don't find anything else afterwards
die at 500' with subpar gear and shitty melee because I had spent a lot of early points into smithing
Goddamnit.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Fuzzy_Logic
You are allowed to post ADoM tums.
Show me those thicc, girthy pixels.

w8t4u
w8t4u

playing Cataclysm for the first time
find a shitton of meth, some cocaine, and 10 joints
raid a pharmacy for some Xanax and purple drank
hell yeah motherfucker
lock myself in my gun store squat for one last party
do all the drugs
ALL THE DRUGS
wait for the OD
it never comes
feel a profound sense of disappointment

Can you not OD in DDA? This seems like a massive oversight.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@w8t4u
You can, but it's usually severely crippling rather than outright lethal. You can get a heart attack from drug overdose at least, especially if you get stuck in a spiral where you take drugs to deal with a severe injury, and then need more drugs and adrenaline shots to offset the other drugs you took.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Sigh... Gonna be a long day today. It's only 9:05 and I already broke my temporary car.

Cleaning up this mess and moving my loot to a new car is gonna take forever. I could just abandon it I guess, grab the most important stuff and go by foot. Either way, trying to ram the horde with a sports car was a bad idea.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

so? no adom runs? not even questions? i don't want play this myself...

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@LuckyDusty
Post ur runs, niggerfaggot

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Harmless_Venom
i said i don't want play this game. moreover i usually don't have questions

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Nevermind, it's Gondolin. Couldn't find it anywhere but in the archives.

FastChef
FastChef

>>195599289
not just browsing the butt ugly sources

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Ah, I see. There's a "Fixed forge count" other than the regular forge count now.
fails to make a forge
discards the level because fixed forge count is below forge count

So they're only *always* guaranteed at 100', 500' 700' and 900'.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Huh, actually it looks like the only forced forges are at 100', 800' and 900' unless I am wizmoding this wrong. Anything inbetween is just luck.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Also they seem to spawn a lot more often deeper on.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@LuckyDusty
the only roguelike anyone actually plays here is dcss. we also play elona and cata, but they are not rougelikes.
adom is not played. its ugly with a tedious world map and boring progression

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
what's wrong with progression? you can faceroll all the way down CoC(after pyramid and dwarven yard) if you play necromancer or other mage. especially if you don't after ultra

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TechHater
its boring

Lunatick
Lunatick

No, it's actually just as he said in the threads this week: there's four guaranteed forges: at 100', 500', 800', and 900'.
Of course the deeper you go the stronger the monsters but also the more likely a forge will spawn and the higher probability of an enchanted forge too. But Look at this mess.
It's as I guessed: purely smithing builds are not going to be viable unless someone gets lucky and gets another forge or two between the guaranteed ones, so putting a lot of points into smithing early on is a big mistake. I think it's best to make +2 smithgloves, quickboots and a cloak of protection, while using the second forge to make gauntlets of strength, a +2 robe of constitution and an enchanted helm of brilliance. So, invest 6 points into smithing by 100' and then three point more by 500'. This means that you're free to spend your hard earned xp in all those 400 levels on evasion and melee, which are sorely needed. Worst case scenario you get a forge more and can craft stuff like a shield of frost or the very coveted boots of nimbleness if you managed to grab sprinting already.

I think I'm understanding the game a bit more.
@Raving_Cute
the only roguelike anyone actually plays here is dcss
Maybe two years ago
dcss posts have become so rare I almost miss them.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Raving_Cute
speak for yourself user
still playing DCSS in 2017

takes2long
takes2long

@Lunatick
the only roguelike anyone actually plays here is dcss
Maybe two years ago
dcss posts have become so rare I almost miss them.
its because the game isn't very fun anymore. the changes to enemy spawns and asburdly low spawning of escape items makes the early game way too often just be a stairhopping adventure

w8t4u
w8t4u

What kind of sadist would create this vault?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@w8t4u
what's the point of vaults in this game?

Techpill
Techpill

@MPmaster
phat loot.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Techpill
what a retarded game

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

There's no need to be so rude. Simply say "I've never played a *band game".

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Fuzzy_Logic
but what can be more boring than killing some tough monsters for loot? it's like i don't know, some rpg shit, its lacking only save&load abuse

askme
askme

The only good roguelike is UnReal World the rest is shit

Illusionz
Illusionz

@askme
It's not a roguelike because it's modal.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Illusionz
The only good roguelike is PCB-R the rest is shit

idontknow
idontknow

@BunnyJinx
It's also modal.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Illusionz
Steamband

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@PackManBrainlure
Killing tough monsters for no loot
Killing easy monsters for loot
Killing easy monsters for no loot

Emberfire
Emberfire

@haveahappyday
it should something else you know. where one should think. play some adom

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@viagrandad

oh no I have to look at things in a roguelike
I cannot just oTab through the game!

git gud

TechHater
TechHater

@Emberfire
Ehhhh, ADOM vaults are largely about counting tiles in a spoiler to figure out the exact tile to dig or ctele to.

massdebater
massdebater

@TechHater
i have no idea what you talking about. this even isn't an answer on question what vaults are for

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

smithe badass gear
find better stuff within two floors

whatever

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Garbage Can Lid
Clearly you weren't smithing good enough gear.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@kizzmybutt
it's not even a roguelike
I don't like Tome as well user, but stop memeing like that.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Burnblaze
Don't respond to posts that contain any of the following
sweetie
X simulator
X is not a roguelike
This list is not extensive but it should give you a starting point

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Raving_Cute
You forgot Tangledeep.

Illusionz
Illusionz

hi, i'm a casual. i want to play something like torchlight 2 with massive amounts of different loots, dungeon bosses, nice classes, nice gameplay and a lot of hours of play-time. is torchlight 2 already the best or is there anything even better?

takes2long
takes2long

@Illusionz
adom

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Illusionz
Grim Dawn and Titan Quest are the closest to Torchlight in gameplay and feel, and are almost as good.
Path of Exile is the best diablo-clone (and it's free), but it's nowhere near as casual as Torchlight, so it might not be for you.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@RumChicken

t-try GearHead, user...

happy_sad
happy_sad

@takes2long
Is it worth the price on Steam?
I'm a tome scrub fyi

Techpill
Techpill

@happy_sad
No.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@happy_sad
no dont give biskup any shekels

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Techpill
But I want a roguelike outside of real life sadface
Jpeg

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Firespawn
just dl it....

RumChicken
RumChicken

@eGremlin
You mean yarrrquire it?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@RumChicken
no its free, he wants to make you pay for kike shit like selecting your birth sign

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@RumChicken
What was the point of asking this question? Would your pirating it be contingent on whether he had indeed been referring to pirating it when he said "just DL it"? Was it a statement that needed clarification? Faggot.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Harmless_Venom
Well dl and buy it are different things
How's that hard to comprehend? Nvm.

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
actually there is so much retarded things in new version, if i were that user i'd pay for some r65 version

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Is cogmind good?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Evil_kitten
YES GOY BUY IT NOW BUY BUY BUY YES GOY GOOD GOY!

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Spamalot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Spamalot
Th-that sounded almost sexual. That was w-weird...

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty
YES GOY BUY IT NOW TO FEEL GOOD BUYING PRODUCTS IS PLEASURE YES GOOD GOY

iluvmen
iluvmen

The cougar leaps!

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@iluvmen
a blow from the hunk sends the cougar flying!
..err I mean hulk

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@lostmypassword
The only way a hunk can blow a cougar is if the cougar is an animal, a furry or a futa.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Evil_kitten
Very good at what it does, but I'm not a huge fan of what it does.
If swapping out your entire inventory and therefore entire build every other floor sounds like your thing, it's great. Personally I prefer something with a bit more long-lasting character development options.

Soft_member
Soft_member

what is the most magical realm roguelike

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Soft_member
Elona

StonedTime
StonedTime

Fucking hell just let rlg die already

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@StonedTime
Never.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@StonedTime
Clearly, you lack love in your life.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@StrangeWizard
What sort of corral pet do you use
Or do you just not bother with that shit

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberfire
If I wanted to read a wiki I would play nethack

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BunnyJinx
and why you saying this to me?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@kizzmybutt
I'm not bothering with that atm because we still can't influence the AI but Sludge Spirit, Jade Salamander and Bandit Buffer are pretty solid choices.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

holy shit how is hellcrawl so much fun
didn't imagine the lack of upstairs would change shit up so much
also so many good design decisions that can't be implemented in trunk because of muh tradishuns

massdebater
massdebater

@Gigastrength
you told me to play adom

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Gigastrength
because i'm lonely

idontknow
idontknow

@Gigastrength
user... I think you're special!

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

what to use to compile?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Deadlyinx
i would suggest using a personal computer in the comfort of your own home, but if you don't have one you might see if you can use your university's mainframe instead

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sir_Gallonhead
thansk

massdebater
massdebater

@Dreamworx
you're welcome, friend!

TreeEater
TreeEater

@massdebater
well you just won't win if you'll be playing adom like usual roguelike or rpg, that rule that you need to kill strong monsters and get cool eqiupment is not working. the rule that bosses are the strongest not working too. and many rewards is questionable

MPmaster
MPmaster

@massdebater
I light this one up to you

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TreeEater
to get cool equipment*

farquit
farquit

Holy shit, hoy and fresh new Sil fork update!
Morgoth is now incredibly difficult if not nearly impossible to kill since he gets stronger the more you hurt him, making a morgoth kill really worth the splash text
first sil doesn't need sharpness to come off, third does , second is harder to bump out
so many new songs and reworked songs altogether
MEWLIPS AND EVERY OTHER ENEMY LOSE MAPROT holy shit thank god
Other minor tweaks
I like this guy a lot. Making morgoth nearly unkillable not only is more lore-friendly but it also gives everyone a greater challenge. One day we may.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BunnyJinx
Did you know he was once not-fat?

iluvmen
iluvmen

SO what is now needed to slay big M? Does archery still do the trick, or will you need melee to actually get the necessary DPS?

iluvmen
iluvmen

how do i stop my items from being destroyed in adom

do i just have to get the best in slot artifacts?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Skillmaster time.

Going to see if I can make a dragon-riding paladin of life. Sounds fun.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@iluvmen
Been years since I played adom, but I don't think there's anything you can do to actually protect your items.
You just need to learn the threats (Rust monsters? That was ADoM right?, Jellies, Water...) and item resistances. I can't remember the specifics, but the gist of it is that iron rusts, and wood burns, therefore swap out your quarterstaff if you're fighting a wizard with fireball and don't go swimming with your sword, or otherwise adjust your tactics so the monsters don't hit you.

Higher tier materials are generally more resistant to hazards but only artifacts and Eternium items are immune. Adamantium and Mithril for example doesn't rust, so swimming is fine. IIRC stone daggers and clubs are also very durable and near-indestructible.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@iluvmen
waterproof blankets protect vs water (there's a guaranteed one in a particular earlyish dungeon)
rings of ice protect against fire
items worn underneath indestructible artifacts (such as rings beneath the elemental gauntlets) cannot themselves be damaged (since the gauntlets would need to be destroyed first)

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@iluvmen
Water and fireproof blankets will (help) protect your inventory. I think you can rustproof somehow (blessed rust removal? I don't remember) but by the time you can do it you probably have a better item that doesn't need it.

Also detect traps, as that's probably the biggest early game item destroyer.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@farquit

I even splatted a feanor elf in honor of the release in standard /rlg/ fashion of making a colossal fuckup out of an entirely survivable scenario

MPmaster
MPmaster

@iluvmen
Getting resistance or immunity helps for determining item destruction, using as few soft items as possible is preferable for various reasons, a ring of ice is mandatory to protect your boots/cloak/bracers/gloves etc and you will get at least one for doing the quests from the dwarf elder. Unfortunately there is simply very little you can do against acid/lightning and doors with runes on them.

For jellies specifically, a stone weapon can't be corroded, but generally you need metals higher than iron to resist the effects. However mithril and adamant weapons still have a very small chance to be corroded.

For non large rust monsters you can give them metal items to calm them down or even tame them if you have enough, if you carry around a bunch of crude knives/spears/battleaxes just give them away and they should become at least neutral quickly.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@takes2long
removing those d6 two headed ogres would fix 80% of the problem

Spamalot
Spamalot

I have the most fun earlygame DCSS, it's the midgame and lategame where tedium begins.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

do not have fun

farquit
farquit

I'm playing cdda and my character has somehow gotten the status 'overpoweringly smelly'. What the fuck is causing this shit, it's not going away with time and it attracts mobs when I'm trying to raid.

Spamalot
Spamalot

why does orb of fire have to exist

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Spamalot
Final boss of DCSS.

likme
likme

@Spamalot
to make you feel bad when you die and realize you had nine might and brill pots

Skullbone
Skullbone

What is the coziest rogue like to farm in?

Methshot
Methshot

@Skullbone
cdda is quite good for farming oats, although it isn't a roguelike

happy_sad
happy_sad

@likme
@TreeEater
i fucking went jivya to try to deal with this shit and then realized slimify doesn't work. i can turn an ancient all powerful lich who understands more about necromancy than i would ever care to know into a death ooze but a glowing ball of fire is immune for some reason.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@happy_sad
You can only turn corporeal shit into slime afaict.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@happy_sad
1) turn fire into slime
2) ???
3) profit

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

what a cancerous game
how do uncurse stuff without literacy
also i absorb wands

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CouchChiller
uncurse stuff without literacy
presumably holy water works just as it does in nethack or elona
or do the quest to get the potion of literacy from that dwarf fucker

TreeEater
TreeEater

@CouchChiller
find altar
convert you or it to the same alignment
sac some dudes
drop water to bless it
dip your gloves into the water
Or, you know, don't wear random junk you found without knowing what it is.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CouchChiller
gauntlets of peace are made out of iron and can be destroyed like anything else, a rust monster can also grab them off you if it's the only iron item you have

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@CouchChiller
praying sometimes works

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

on tier 4 of Life praying in skillmaster, I think on tier 5, with enough wisdom and LV, I can spam Healing easily.

Then from there I can invest in riding, capture a great bile wyrm or whatnot, and have some fun.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@GoogleCat
Character.

Currently:
tier 5 Sords
tier 4 Life
planning to tier 5 riding.

Devices seems pretty swell at Superb, might be able to use the 'good' devices later on. Not planning on investing into devices with skillmaster traits, though.

takes2long
takes2long

@MPmaster
walks forward 3 steps
ded
Fucking elven warlocks god damn

Yeah, this is why you need to find detection. Otherwise, this is your inevitable fate.

I'll try this character again later. Has potential to be VERY fun.

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
Oh, and I tihnk those warlocks were OOD; usually warlocks are a threat in Camelot at earliest. Orc is "safe"

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Spamalot
if you're fighting them with only one pip of resistance it's what you deserve

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@AwesomeTucker
one pip
but i can't even get that, they removed the amulet

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Lord_Tryzalot
NO pips?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
there's nothing left to stop oofs from turning you into a writhing mass of primal chaos

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

controls need to be STANDARDIZED

askme
askme

personally i am a very large fan of the 'W'ipe face and clean out 'E'ars keys

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Sil is probably the easiest roguelike to poop.

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
standardized to mean that no game my use the same key for the same function

Emberfire
Emberfire

@askme
It should be 'W'ash, followed by 'e'ars or 'f'ace.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@askme
@Emberfire
Wash face requires a charged cloth of cleaning for balance purposes.
Otherwise it's too easy to get rid of facial semen accumulation in the very early game.

TechHater
TechHater

@askme
Why is this included?

likme
likme

@StrangeWizard
This game's graphics are so shitty. Most roguelikes have either very simple graphics or ASCII, but this one looks like it is halfway between good graphics and simple graphics which makes it look especially poopy. Also everything looks really flat,

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TechHater
the latter is a key you use exactly one time per game, for removing beeswax from your ears after using it to deafen yourself and run past the banshee

the former is a key you use less than once per game. if the random room appears that covers your face in mud you are permanently, incurably blind until you remember+push this specific key

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@likme
They're fine.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@likme
They're fine. Nothing amazing, hardly offensive. ToME's graphics are abominably bad and its ASCII is ass.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@askme
@viagrandad
Which turd is this from, ADOM?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
ToME has shit graphics as well, but this game does too. The thing is, I think with a little work it could look a lot better and that's the annoying thing about it. ToME's graphics are such shit I don't ever want to play it, they're far worse than plain ASCII.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@likme
@Sharpcharm
it fell for the indie retroshit meme
compared to most roguelikes it's a masterpiece though

massdebater
massdebater

@Flameblow
Shut the fuck up Dark.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Flameblow
It really isn't a masterpiece no offense. Walls look flat and the style looks super dull without much character, and like I said it looks halfway between decent graphics and shit graphics so it irks me even more. It's just not good, I'm sorry if you made the game. I think you could improve them though, like I said you're almost there.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

tangledeep would be better if it was just ascii

or tiles

meme "indie" graphics is terrible

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Flameblow
it's a masterpiece
of shit

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Garbage Can Lid
ascii
No one can help you if your body got used to zero effort letter and color "graphics". Feed a person enough trash and he will acquire a taste for it as they say.

TechHater
TechHater

@Garbage Can Lid
also the gameplay kinda sucks
the UI sucks
no minimap sucks
the rapid respawn of mobs sucks
champions get REALLY dangerous fast

I don't like the mechanics of having to pick up energy/stamina just to cast stuff

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TechHater
i don't like that this game is difficult and actually forces me to play well
Go back to nethack kid.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TechHater

everything sucks bec. u suck LOL

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Garbage Can Lid
Unironically wanting ASCII graphics is a sign of Stockholm Syndrome.

eGremlin
eGremlin

SS. tome
S. those microscopic 16x16 nethack tiles
A. pixelshit
B. ass key / lettertism
C. tiles where you can tell the enemies apart
D. gr*phics

5mileys
5mileys

good list but tome ascii needs to be on another tier above it

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Stark_Naked
Don't talk shit about nethack you little CIA nigger's piece of dog SHIT!

askme
askme

This duo of orc lads in Sil-q seems a tad overtuned.

FastChef
FastChef

@Stark_Naked

Unironically defending trial and error gameplay

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@FastChef
tangledeep is trial and error gameplay
nethack isn't
Brainless anime poster

girlDog
girlDog

@BlogWobbles
nethack has no trial and error because the wiki lets you get it right the first time

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@viagrandad

I use beeswax in town for smithing to not get spammed by messages about the sounds of dwarf town. the only other real use I've found for beeswax.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Do you think roguelike devs hook up at roguelike cons? The m:f ratio is 9:1 but most are socially awkward as fuck. Maybe Toady or rogue dev got laid? Toady doesn't have a gf and his brother married some fatty, I feel bad.

Methshot
Methshot

@Nude_Bikergirl
biskup fucked that guy with the purple hair

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methshot
Buskin is a heterosexual man my friend

DeathDog
DeathDog

@iluvmen
not with that lisp he aint'

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@DeathDog
that's called a "german accent", friend

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Harmless_Venom
Germans
ever heterosexual

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Harmless_Venom
oh i thought buskun was the name of the people haired tranny

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@JunkTop
Is this suppose to be some sort of tranny wet dream of yours?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@viagrandad
Oh fuuuuck, can't believe someone is still playing this

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Gigastrength
i like it too

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Playboyize
I splatted like 30 already before understanding the mechanics behind forge generation
The one thing that I do find quite annoying is the lack of complete monster lore after you unlock the fork version of loremaster just like in regular sil.
I'm trying to understand how it's patched into the save file so I don't need to grab another perception skill that is quite useless if not for that part considering that loremaster is divided between alchemy (for everything but weapon/armor brands, much easier to grab than loremaster itself because it's 4 per points and 500 XP) and enchantment ( I grab it as a smith already for that).

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@askme
The literally a cat and the walking fortress?
Shoot the cat and bash the other orc down with a blunt weapon like a quarterstaff to get through his defenses with your unparallelled pseudo sharpness

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Tome is fun, (DO NOT BUY THIS GAME IF YOU HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON COMPUTER) (Lots of people getting hacked)

but new devs are editing the game. There is a new dev called Shibari, and he has not ever won insane mode, but he think he is skilled enough to nerf everything fun in the game..

(the original dev of this game doest not work anymore and lets shibari handle alot of the balancing)

1.6 killing everything fun and intuitive in TOME

Even though he doesn't play his own game, Shibari decide to delete everything fun, and exciting from TOME and 1.6 will leave this game a lifeless husk

Everybody is switching over to play wazhack ADOM and tangledeep, so def do not buy this game. very soon this will be a dead game

Also the online system has many vulnerabilites and many people have already had their computers hacked because of this including me, and the dev's refuse to respond.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
(Lots of people getting hacked)
Sauce on this?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Harmless_Venom
Oh right, bludgeoning weapons are hot shit now.

WebTool
WebTool

Stop copy-pasting posts from reddit.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@MPmaster
and you will get at least one for doing the quests from the dwarf elder
from dwarven mystic, if you are N.
Unfortunately there is simply very little you can do against acid/lightning
if its from monsters - use darkness.
and doors with runes on them
blessed key of every type, knock
For non large rust monsters you can give them metal items to calm them down or even tame them if you have enough
very bad advice, just take off anything that is iron, or use darkness

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@BinaryMan
its awesome

TechHater
TechHater

@WebTool
t. redditor

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@MPmaster
also blessing things almost eliminate chance that this thing will be destroyed, if it in your inventory.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@likme
TD character artist here, fight me

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Crazy_Nice
Why doesn't the main character have ears or a tail like all the NPCs?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TurtleCat
I just drafted the first class sprite like that and that stuck I guess.
As for the NPCs (after a few player classes finished), the notes all have had animal traits, so that's how I drew them up.
Seems like just a "yeah this is cool" kind of thing overall

Skullbone
Skullbone

Trying the new build. It's going alright, I still need to put more points into melee.
Also, these gloves.
Nice.

Snarelure
Snarelure

find forge just before +3 gloves of the forge on a non-forced level
This is my forge
It was made for me

idontknow
idontknow

@Snarelure
Sil seems sorta neat. Can you name your creations?

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow
You can.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@FastChef
Hahaha. Yeah, I gotta give this a go later.

JunkTop
JunkTop

your (x) gets destroyed!
Rings of perception don't fail me now
I hate inventory destruction.
On the plus side, I am a super-elf now. 4-5-5-3 is quite insane.
Still gotta find better slaying weapons and get better melee, but I've covered everything but raukar-slaying items and elemental resistances.

WebTool
WebTool

Two uniques had escaped before. They're dead now. One of them dropped this, which I guess it could be useful for vaults and checking for traps.

RumChicken
RumChicken

I'm guessing Giants should not be fought with less than 100% hp then I'll keep that in mind

TechHater
TechHater

Welp

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TechHater
seems this game have good balance. thats just two monsters that can almost one-hit you

JunkTop
JunkTop

hit to attack +6 4d9
How the heck did he get past my +20 evasion
that's a super silly roll, like he rolled a 20 and I rolled a 5
Also this fork really needs easy-lore like mpa hoooly shit that damage
I guess the strategy is to use big swords and kill them fast since they have shitty defenses

Booteefool
Booteefool

@JunkTop
"Covering" slays and resistances is not really a thing in Sil.
@TechHater
Yeah, don't do that with [3-4] and 28 HP.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Booteefool
b-but muh EV
I was a tiny little spriggan

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@JunkTop
The strategy is to use bows, since they have [+3, 1d4] or [+2, 1d4] (not sure how the rounding works) against ranged attacks. Which means on average you crit them at least once if you put anything into your bow and you have decent DEX.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BlogWobbles
Doesn't really work unless you have like >30 evasion.
In which case it's great. Riposte fucking everything.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Crazy_Nice
I had a longbow and two completely full quivers, but I really haven't put any points into archery. I'll keep that in mind in the next run.
God and there even was a forge with 4 charges.
@Emberburn
I thought putting a +2 EV robe of +con was a good idea, is it more balanced to wear a regular studded leather of +Con (all I can afford to smith)? Also apparently after tunneling through the rubble it had created with the earthquake the game made me drop my shield of protection so that explains the 3-4 at least.
So: don't fight those guys in corridors and just shoot at their asses from afar, got it.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Wait, apparently if you enable debug mode and turn on the complete monster lore debug, then suicide, in the next game you'll have complete monster lore and no access to the cheat commands themselves but still full monster lore enabled
of course that will make the game count as cheated, but at least I'll get a gist of who does what without sinking 3000 points into loremaster

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
In Sil-Q, you should invest a minimum of 800 EXP in archery on every elf as soon as you find a bow. This gets you 3 points, Rout, and Precision. So as an 4 DEX elf, you will have +8 archery or +13 if the enemy is routed. A 3 lb longbow crits on +9s with precision and ranged attacks only check half Evasion.

I think Rout needs a nerf to +4 or +3.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Garbage Can Lid
rush loremaster by stair diving
die
have uncheated lore
unlocks in a roguelike
Disgusting

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Actually I could just keep a lore-mastered version of the game in another window and alt-tab to the debug version to look at the monster while I play my normal version. Twisted bat and wights sapping my str and con wasn't fun at all, I think I'm going to need to craft a robe of permanence before 500'.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TreeEater
gosh
I've overlooked archery for too long then, it almost makes more sense to play as an archer instead of fighting in melee from the looks of it

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Stupidasole
Yeah, my best V kill was a Haleth Edain in 21k turns or so with archery.

farquit
farquit

@BlogWobbles
Have you seen the way he's reworked morgoth? Gonna be a while before anyone kills the BBEG now

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@farquit
I glanced over the commits. V looks significantly more swole, but honestly what makes it hardest for melee dudes is going to be the lack of woven Slaying+Sharpness.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@VisualMaster
Oh yeah, out with the old in with the new songs.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Found a mithril helmet at 100' and I just couldn't resist picking jeweler instead of expertise just to make one of these.

Flameblow
Flameblow

everything flees in terror
finish them one by one even with my shitty bow
Maybe this wasn't terribly bad idea!

5mileys
5mileys

Okay this thing seriously needs a nerf, you're right.

likme
likme

@5mileys
I always am.
And forging an early Feanorian lamp is legit. You don't have to fear the dark unless you let it breed for like 8 floors.
Then later you can melt it down for a Feanorian lamp of Brilliance/Grace).

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Also apparently having lots of light makes spotting traps with 0 perception quite easy

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Gigastrength
@TurtleCat
There's even a couple of pretty neat mods for it!

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@BunnyJinx
Fuck, Grond/Morgoth must be fucking terrifying now

RavySnake
RavySnake

Fuck it, we're going full archery now.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RavySnake
Archery+Forging is interesting because later on you can just shit out Arrows of Piercing (100% pierce) at every forge.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

SLEX's dungeon ain't big enough. Full proposal here: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog (will take a while to implement all that stuff though)

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Woah there. Too many colors.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@kizzmybutt
Honey, you can't compete in a dick-measuring contest when you don't have a dick. :(

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Fuzzy_Logic
have you heard of this thing called a feeldoe

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Flaming arrows
Your arrows do an extra die of damage against enemies that are not fire-resistant
does that mean that my 2d7 becomes 3d7 or 2d8
because if it's 2d8 it's not worth it

TechHater
TechHater

@BinaryMan
I'd feel a doe.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

tfw no the-Amy-like motivation to implement thing that no one will play

Playboyize
Playboyize

@BlogWobbles
3d7.

3d7 is 3 seven-sided die rolled and added together.

eGremlin
eGremlin

game requires certain traits to kill the toughest enemy
traits are acquired by completing tasks that rake up 'points' until the trait is granted
depending on what skills the player chose, you can either never get the traits or get them
even if you pick the right skills, there are random chances that makes you fail the encounters that grants you the points, essentially locking you out from killing the toughest enemy

Motherfucking Neo Scavenger. Just failed the Isotope Mine entry because my character randomly, by a very small chance, picked the wrong door. Now I lost my last chance of gaining the Elusive feat on an otherwise awesome run.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Neat. Especially now that artifacts are rarer to find.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@eGremlin
Not roguelikes, I think you might've mistaken this with /indie/.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Ignoramus
NEO Scavenger is roguelike. Permadeath when ded.

Methshot
Methshot

yet another non-guaranteed forge level
think I managed to grab enough xp to get enchantment and one more point of smithing to smith fun stuff
turn floor into a battlefield, still not enough.
find staff of freexp
Oh boy time to die of stupid decisions

StonedTime
StonedTime

@lostmypassword
Get out

takes2long
takes2long

@StonedTime
And it's turn based, based off hexagonal tiles, in a somewhat procedurally generated world.

Only difference is the better graphics and the fact that it doesn't take place in a dungeon.

Firespawn
Firespawn

FUCK THIS GAME FUCK THIS GAME FUCK THIS GAME

King_Martha
King_Martha

scumming sil

Come on, daddy needs just 300 more xp points to make his boots of dex and the feanorian lamp of brilliance. Give me a unique or some wight or something or else I'll have to make an amulet of nightmares and scum shadows.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Well that took a while. I'm not going to be welcome to this floor anymore, but at least I've got enough xp to do all my little things.

TechHater
TechHater

@Playboyize
Some weaker artifacts are, apparently, actually easier to find now. The super-powered ones are more rare, though.

WebTool
WebTool

Get fucked.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Wowza, that's a nice shield thanks chest

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@JunkTop
So, with forging can you hope to make stuff like this? Seems annoying if youre a smith and you wasted your time making shit, only to get ousted by superior loot

Skullbone
Skullbone

@StrangeWizard

Yeah I don't think so, at least not before I reach 950'
unless they weren't so expensive before? Also holy shit 1 str? Even with enchantment? That means 2 str by default!
@GoogleCat
Later on, yes. A lot better than that too. There's sil 1.1 smithbuilds morgothslayers with forged items that would make your hair stand on your arms.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Skullbone
I don't think they were that expensive in vanilla, no.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Skullbone
Later on, yes.
Cool! Would hate if the game fucked your build with rng like that.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TurtleCat
the thing about -q is that it revived smithing too. The dev got scared after seeing the super-OP runs and smashed it down so much it never managed to recover and then the dev stopped updating for years. Now it's much more balanced for the endgame (as you can see from those "fuck you" arrows costing a shitton) but also much more easier for the midgame.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Alright, I was going 100% archery and I didn't like it too much so I just smithed a pair of gloves of strength and grabbed a +1 damage dice longsword that was lying around. Then I made a feanorian lamp of brightness just because I could.

Evilember
Evilember

Woops didn't grab a screenshot but apparently then I opened a chest and I found a pair of boots of +1 dex and RF.

I'm taking a break.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@CouchChiller
Goes around slapping on any random magical shit he finds
Surprised when he's cursed with pacifism.
What were you thinking.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I don't know how that happened, but I got sandwiched between a bigrauko and a grotesque that had decided to sit just outside of the only way out of a forge.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TalkBomber
it's not nethack or some shit and you actually can put on some unid armor pieces for pv. basically any except gauntlets. this easy can be run-saving in early game, and this gauntlets also ok if you are mage.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

he can't even beat nethack
Pathetic

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Garbage Can Lid
"nethack wiki"

I win!

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Snarelure
shitposts
still hasn't beat nethack
My point stands

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Garbage Can Lid
he cares about beating nethack
when there are so many better roguelikes that he could be playing
Comical

WebTool
WebTool

nice underhound is back

whereismyname
whereismyname

@takes2long
it's not non-modal (^:

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
Awwww it's ok little buddy, you'll get your ascension one day. Have you tried playing dwarven Valkyrie?
there are "people" that take 15 years to ascend nethack

JunkTop
JunkTop

Don't you just love waking up with a big swig of mustard?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@JunkTop
DLET THIS

idontknow
idontknow

@Nude_Bikergirl
that sounds like way more work than just reading the text file in which all monster info is stored

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@JunkTop
Where should I ride my bike today? It's just before dawn and I've already explored northwest Vernon and the Public Works building to the north.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@takes2long
and the fact that it is unlike rogue

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Gigastrength
yes, it's a roguelike, not a rogueclone

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Firespawn
blasted down to 33% hp by a wand of acid >immediate response is to slam the tab button

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Booteefool
We use the term roguelike-like around here.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Skullbone
No such game as roguelike

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Crazy_Nice
Please check the pastebin for several

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Raving_Cute
Many games that are roguelikes, like NEO scavenger, but roguelike is not a game in itself.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Raving_Cute
nonfree games are not roguelikes
closed source games are nonfree
rogue was originally closed source
open source games are unlike rogue, because they are not closed source
closed source games are not roguelikes, open source games are not roguelikes, and rogue is not a roguelike
since every game is either closed source or open source, we can conclude that every game is not a rogulike
QED roguelikes do not exist

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@ZeroReborn
I mean you're wrong but you seem set in your ways so there you go.
@Lord_Tryzalot
arelgee is a serious general for serious discussion please funpost elsewhere

MPmaster
MPmaster

@MPmaster
Mustard has been my main sustenance for days.

It is a source of nourishment and moisture.

I am become mustard.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@New_Cliche
Are town names new or did you make those?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

posting is a roguelike
turn-based
ASCII display
can potentially permadie IRL if you get v& or r9k convinces you to shoot up your school

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@PurpleCharger
They're just the standard, I'm playing on the RogueNexus CDDA shared map. I like being able to pick up my game from anywhere I can use ssh.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche
I can't get over the size of small towns now that I play with city size of 16

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Spamalot
I think this is Vermont so yeah small towns are the norm.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@whereismyname
Correction: it's Maine, not Vermont, so even smaller towns.

5mileys
5mileys

@whereismyname
I like small towns irl, but I love shooting zombies all day in Cataclysm so I wanted huge cities with as many gun stores as possible and massive sewer systems to hide in

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@5mileys
I'm just learning the game so figuring out how to get comfy in Maine while I become familiar with the mechanics is pretty nice.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@idontknow
yes but that's boring

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

ALL CONTROLS IN ALL ROGUELIKES MUST BE STANDARDIZED

RavySnake
RavySnake

So when is /rlg/ going to have a roguelike associated with it? IA doesn't count.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@RavySnake
If IA doesn't count then I'm going to need some clarification on what the necessary qualifications are.

likme
likme

@RavySnake
/rlg/ also made a funny coffebreak roguelike called codlike or something like that.

Methshot
Methshot

Oh boy it's time for another feanorian lamp + gloves on 100'.

takes2long
takes2long

@Methshot
Lamps are cool and all, but does the utility of the light truly trump the benefits from +2 shield and sprinting boots?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@takes2long
You can't make a +2 shield anymore.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SomethingNew
Wow fuck this why even play uninstalled

eGremlin
eGremlin

@DeathDog
You can make a +1 1d4 shield! And a cloak of protection.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Fuck.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

bumps you are thread

StonedTime
StonedTime

are you seriously no longer able to see your star sign before picking your race and class in adom? I can't believe how much of a kike you would have to be to remove that

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StonedTime
pay money goyim

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Need_TLC
it's real
when stereotypes come true

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@AwesomeTucker
They're not unlocks. Monster memory is a convenience feature so that players don't have to take written notes on which monsters do what. Knowing what everything does in advance is cheating. Stop thinking like a millenial.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@CodeBuns
cheating in a single player game
Explain this concept to me.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BinaryMan
game 2 hard
don't want to git gud
bored of game and want to goof around
wanting to experiment with certain aspects without a whole rigmarole

Many reasons.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Need_TLC
@RumChicken
can you imagine the shitposting they must've had there

farquit
farquit

@StonedTime
everything is ok in r61

idontknow
idontknow

@BinaryMan
Single-player games which were intended to be played on multi-user UNIX systems with a common scoreboard. The architecture reflects this.

http://www.thangorodrim.net/development/security.txt

Sil didn't remove any of these features.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

you see here a dragon
it breeds explosively

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

11% chance of failing to install Cable Charger CBM
install fails
lose Diamond Corneas, +2 STR Aug AND targetting system
what the fuck

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@idontknow
So it’s not really a single player game then is it?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BunnyJinx
Must be a recent(ish) change
last I played you were safe anywhere under 20% fail

It's a bit fucky that the "permanently destroy some other bionic" result happens at a lower fail % than "mutate slightly" since the former is so much more severe than the latter

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@lostmypassword
currently playing Bright Nights and this isn't the only bug I've discovered (failure rate below 20% that is). Sometimes when I'm in melee combat with a ranged weapon the game will shit out debug messages like "dress_shoes" or "MUTATION_HIGHTHIRST" for no reason.

Nojokur
Nojokur

he doesn't listen to the Bailey Jay radio show and spank his meat to her voice while playing roguelikes

TechHater
TechHater

@CodeBuns
Knowing what everything does in advance is cheating.
Stop thinking like a millenial.
I wanted to call you a tard in a bunch of creative ways but then I realized it's a bait.
Nice try, but you'll have to try harder than that to get me.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I didn't know such a show existed
I might listen to it just out of interest but I'll probably skip step 2

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
Been away for a while and just coming back. What is PCB R? Is it like the new poschengband fork?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

new

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Harmless_Venom
but
did you
REPORT
it
?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@JunkTop
NO. HE. DID. NOT.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Booteefool
what
a CUNT
!

Lunatick
Lunatick

aggravates
FUCK

Would be perfect, otherwise. I'll uncurse it later when I have the money, and see if it retains that horrid trait.

@Fried_Sushi
PCB fork with more accessibility to lategame healing, EXP tweaks, and some new artifacts

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

adom has auto explore
why the FUCK doesn't pcb have auto explore

Snarelure
Snarelure

@GoogleCat
ITYB...DYWYPID?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@GoogleCat
because it would kill you dead for anything other than tabbing through stronghold

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Nojokur
give me literally one good reason to listen to this

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Skullbone
What are you some kind of bigot?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@GoogleCat

Yeah, the constant need for detection/telepathy stuff just means that autoexplore wouldn't really work out - you really need to make sure where the high level enemies are or risk getting nothing personelled.

It would be nice for early levels when you dont really have detection and most fights are just boring popcorn with no thinking to them but it just doesn't work in the mid to endgame

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat
N-no, I'm pulling my dick out right now

DeathDog
DeathDog

@JunkTop
It could auto use detection and stop when it detects dangerous shit near you

But obviously yea thats how auto explore is always used, to power through early game stuff, then you take your turns more carefully in lategame

massdebater
massdebater

I can't fucking sleep. I've been thinking of a noldor feanor 2-5-4-3 archer with two rings of archery +2, boots of dexterity, gauntlets of +2 archery and a smithed 1 pound longbow (or as low as it gets for weight, I guess the lower the weight of the bow the better the crits?)for maximum overcrits. Singing majesty and using a horn of terror for the +5 to hit from rout too, maybe.
How fucking viable is it.
I want to go back to fucking sleep

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

God and now that I think of it supersmith dorf majesty builds actually might work in this version because of the XP you get from monsters leaving the level
LEAVE ME ALONE
YOU HAD ALL DAY FOR THIS WHY NOW

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TurtleCat
yeah i am so this is gonna be a hard sell

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@eGremlin
You can make a +2, 1d3 round shield at the 100' forge with the starting XP as a feanorian.
You need 5 GRA and then you forge +2 gloves of forging.

You can't make boots of sprinting with that though. But you can make boots of nimbleness.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Interesting???

Inmate
Inmate

@haveahappyday
5 grace is a hell of a lot of grace though. There's also song of ayle that gives you +1 smithing for every four points you put in song.

Evilember
Evilember

@Fried_Sushi
Cool. Never been bale to use Mana brand before. Seems better at higher levels where the mana cost is less.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Lunatick
That sounds pretty cool. Where can i find this?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I love the shit-fixdarts more than anything in this game.

@Crazy_Nice
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR

It's still in version 5 of vanilla, and hasn't updated in a long while. However, the quality of life changes are unparalleled. Give the changelog a gander:
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR/blob/master/changelog.txt

Bidwell
Bidwell

@SomethingNew
when you've got enough light to shine like the sun and make everything fuck off away from you

Supergrass
Supergrass

@CouchChiller
Oh, and it doesn't seem the changelog mentions the XP tweaks or the now-level-scaling of black markets. Also I think in later levels priest shops sell Healing (they also occasionally sell Curing now)

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Is Bane worth taking? And if so, for what?

Techpill
Techpill

Worlds greatest teleport.

I've had the absolute worst luck with this build.

girlDog
girlDog

@Dreamworx
Bane?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@girlDog
Sil is the flavor of the minute so now we get to make posts pertaining to it while refraining from providing context and simply assuming people will know what we're talking about.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@girlDog
Aye, the Dwarven Masked Man.

likme
likme

@Dreamworx
Raukobane is good. The other banes, not so much.

RumChicken
RumChicken

ADOM doesn't have the right inventory slots to make full use of this item, unfortunately

idontknow
idontknow

@TalkBomber
Get him on board, I'll call it in.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Dr. Biskup I’m SIL

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I hope you all splat desu

TreeEater
TreeEater

@RavySnake
/rlg/ crawl fork when?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TreeEater
have you played yiffcrawl or circus animals crawl

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Need_TLC
no they both look like poschengband, in a bad way

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

what roguelikes let you go past D:10?

FastChef
FastChef

@Fried_Sushi
dcss

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Mary sue elf establishing dominance one small step at the time - finally had a 2nd forge happen within reasonable time

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TreeEater
now with all new races and classes
Futa Mare
Deep Tangler
G*rman
Tavernite
TummyKnight
Sounds good to me desu

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Need_TLC
half of those probably already exist in SLEX

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Firespawn
yes but does SLEX have the streamlined, tactical gameplay us arelgeers crave? i think not

Methshot
Methshot

@Firespawn
but it now has 300 levels worth of gameplay depth

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Methshot
it's doesn't even have the mumo challenge, it can't be /ourgame/

5mileys
5mileys

@Methshot
not quite yet, but the Amy is working on it

farquit
farquit

@Firespawn
streamlined tactical gameplay
I can't even figure out what /rlg/ actually unironically likes. Not a single game is spared a trip through the mud with you niggers. I guess IA?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@farquit
rlg likes every game it posts about
rlg also hates every game it posts about for more than 2 days

Emberfire
Emberfire

@farquit
It's almost as if /rlg/ is a bunch of different people with different opinions.
Bizarre, I know, but that's just how things are.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@farquit
that's what makes /rlg/ one of the better generals, there isn't any consistent taste here, we even let tomeposters enrich our threads

hairygrape
hairygrape

@farquit
everything is shit

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@farquit
old versions of crawl (but nobody can agree on which one) and demon probably come the closest

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

dang, actual enchanted forge with 22 effective skill - tempted to make blessed realm amulet and try to get 24 somehow for a feanorian lamp of true sight

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Going for a Hru(rock giant) run. Going to try my riding priest lancer Skillmaster again later. Bad luck and my own recklessness held it back before.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@New_Cliche
Oh, and I just realized my character initials are KKK.

So be it. Giant supremacist it is then.

5mileys
5mileys

@Garbage Can Lid
are there niggers in this game

SniperGod
SniperGod

Has the Poschengband community seen Chris-the-dev-who-may-not-be-named's last post on oook, the one from November 11? And has he lost the spirit of Poschengband?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Hopefully going to port some mpa changes over to sil-q if the maintainer is willing. Some of the ID stuff (glowing weapon ID, autoID booze) and interface improvements.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@SniperGod
Guy whos running Rock Giant (and other shit) here.

Chris has made an interesting base game, but at this point the forks really have outdone him in making a 'fun' game.Other than adding more crazy shit, I don't see Chris capable of contributing much more good to the monster he has created - and as such, I don't really care how much he flips out.

No way the guy who made PCB could have a stable mind anyway.

the spirit of PCB
Chris is 'the' spirit of PCB; it's only now we're seeing the true vision he has had for the game is coming to life. It's not pretty.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TurtleCat
Seems quite decent a build
Teach me your secrets, did you pick grace for the +1 in smithing? With 6 effective charges, 1 of which always goes to gloves, I'm always wondering what the heck I want to craft.
Also is archery just accuracy but worse because it only works with archery?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

solarflare tell me about your 15 conduct run

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Soft_member
Yes, but it's also accuracy, but cheaper.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Also should I craft a +1 studded leather armor of con at 100' along with the shield of deflection? +2 robe of con kinda seems to wax off pretty soon.
Is a cloak of protection ever worth it?
Are dexboots more useful than sprintboots?
Is it better to just go full archery and forget about melee except for defender weapon for the EV boost? I think I spread my points too thin with flanking charge and points in melee when the longest bow did a perfectly fine job taking out the trash. With +5 from route, +5 dex and +6 from accuracy/archery gloves+ rings, + at least 4 archery for the first three abilities, we're looking at a +20 to hit on a 2d7 weapon (maybe if you manage to smith a 1 pound longbow even a 2d6 weapon that is literally always a 3d6 and most of the time a 4d6 against fleeting enemies) so why bother with melee that will very quickly become obsolete?

Booteefool
Booteefool

It was a work of careful planning I could have only pulled out in dynahack.
Finding that ring of sustenance on a fucking convict required thousands of startscumming attempts. The real gem was finding out that convicts can get to expert with their quest artifact ball doing incredible amounts of damage but also at the same time not be counted as a weapon
The real trick was farming thousands of vault guards for a ling time to get their really good drops, Wanda of death and potions of full healing along with occasional good magic equipment due to the sheer amount of numbers entailed but they also satiated me because I was a foodless and vampires get fed by hitting living things. I think the guards should really be genocidable (you look around but nobody comes) after hitting 200.
That's the good part. The horribly ungodly bad part was having a silver saber captain trying to prod my virgin vampire ass in case I even though of going to dwarftown. Not being able to use altars, engeave elbereth and pray made the game really tough and sometimes I died because of starvation before finding sustenance on accomplished characters (that's when I decided I need it at the start).
Also stun-biting famine for instadeath was not fun.
All in all an experience of a lifetime I would not want to repeat
Chromatic scales are fucking godly

FastChef
FastChef

fantastic story, thank you. I only just now heard about you on hardfought's irc. good luck in devnull if you're playing :D

Evilember
Evilember

How are you lads liking the Gnoll so far?

5mileys
5mileys

@Evilember
I love gnolls as a race, they're one of the more interesting things to spawn out of D&D, but I don't like the implementation, flavor nor playstyle.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Soft_member
I made a double fine round shield, helm of brilliance and forge +2 on the fixed forge, 2nd forge turned into amulet of grace +1 and 2x rings of accuracy +2 and now this enchanted forge is looking at me with a stern gaze.

The two rings at 16 requirement are basically endgame tier stuff and they are a game changer really for a smithy dude because you get 4 effective levels of hitdudes for both ranged and melee

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

tonight I had a dream where DCSS was changed so that the dungeon was 7 layers deep instead of 15
It was a good dream. I was disappointed when I woke up.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Harmless_Venom
minmayposting

farquit
farquit

@FastChef
Amy add hyper futa mares with an auxiliary dickslap attack capable of making potions of milk and blinding enemies with a highly pressurized shot of semen please thank you

SniperGod
SniperGod

@farquit
merely blinding and not instagibbing

likme
likme

@Need_TLC
Incredible, I'll have to try this super graceful smith myself
As a 2 str limp elven wristed character do you suggest crafting strgloves or archerygloves

Emberburn
Emberburn

@likme
I ran with the smithy gloves until I looted a pair of +1 stronk gloves from a random orc - I think you should consider archery a supplement to your hitdudes as melee has the advantage of getting all the potential attacks of opportunity with the entire flanking<->zone of control<->(opportunist, I rarely get it but it is there by all means)

takes2long
takes2long

@SniperGod
Could work as a ranged attack
Make it so you can't wear most armor except for aux armor and dragon scale mail like draconians
Maybe add ballbras and cock corsets
And maybe you can use and point wands by sticking them in your urethra
Add buttplugs of protection that make you more hungry
The possibilities are endless

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Methnerd
Minmay should play slex and see how much better than DCSS it is, rather than continuing his "removeremoveremove" ruination of what could have been a good game.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@whereismyname
Actually, now that slex can have a dungeon with more than 127 levels, I should make a DCSS "tribute" subdungeon that has Minmay and Duvessa as boss monsters. And their main attack will make your character neuter, i.e. neither male nor female.

MPmaster
MPmaster

get teleport next to nearby monsters mut right before zot: 5
cant do anything about it
die of course
nice game
gonna go find some ongoing streaks to break on some dead eu/asian server to blow off this steam

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

getting four points of protection from the minetown priest

TreeEater
TreeEater

@whereismyname
Minmeme moved onto shitting up tome despite his skill level roughly being absolute dogshit
Please take him back DCSSbros we don't want him

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TreeEater
rip tome, expect everything you ever liked about it to be removeremoveremoved for petty reasons

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Lunatick
already happened, stun and melee combat have been removed despite (obviously) being core features because the devs are too shit to win with them in the game

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

tummy slaaaash!

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What a bummer, I walked for 8 hours.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@LuckyDusty
Is that a volcano?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Man, the graceful smiths are good but they're super squishy unless you find a forge between 100' and 500'.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BunnyJinx
A rift.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

gorgol drops perfect [+1, 2d6] 3 lbs mithril longsword
pincushioned by orc archers one floor later

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

he fell for the brilliance meme
You gotta make a +0 1d6 leather armor right off

Lunatick
Lunatick

@farquit
That actually makes it better since you don't have to worry about fags getting upset you're playing a game they don't like compared to other generals. Some people might post shitty memes, but you don't have to worry about people being asshurt to the point the thread gets derailed just so they can explain why X is bad and shouldn't be posted again.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Stark_Naked
imblynig

this is the true path:
jeweler + enchantment
ring of protection
ring of protection
lesser jewel of brightness

two pips of damage res, and a droppable light that will last you the entire game, and you now also auto-ID all gear

gg no re

iluvmen
iluvmen

@haveahappyday
ring of prot
wasting your only two charges in 400 feet when you know you're going to wear two rings of accuracy
I hope you're joking.
Lesser jewel of brightness ain't that good an idea too, you're going to be drowning in lamp and lamp oil by the time your torches stop being useful.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

not making a a +0 1d2 helm of brilliance with a +2 1d3 shield of deflection with your glove-enhanced smithing skill
not going for broke with jeweler afterwards by making rings of accuracy
You really need another forge inbetween so you can make a nice 1d5 leather armor of resilience and a nice +2 cloak of protection and boots of dex.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Stop making leather armour you fag.
Nigga needs a corslet.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

slex
oh wow another just-throw-every-stupid-thing-you-can-think-off FOTM game with no direction
I thought we were done with those after PCB

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Well, that's good to know.
@haveahappyday
corselet
no
he needs to be nimble and light on his feet

whereismyname
whereismyname

Yeah, I can't see anybody slaying morgoth anywhere soon.
If ever. Holy shit. That's a 7d7 shot that barely scratched him.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Also this is him in its natural state

5mileys
5mileys

And this is him in its ANGERY state when he gets to 3 pips of health (still around 300 HP left)
he gets a +12 to hit and a +10 to defense in exchange of having 1 to 4 point less of protection. He also gets 5 points of will.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Also since he regens fast as hell, you need to triple-crit him each time, so you'd have to have a to-hit of 40 *and* a weapon of sharpness, 50 just to damage him in the last moments.
considering song of slaying is gone, that's probably not even theoretically possible given the amount of fixed xp you can get before you're driven into 1000'. You could probably keep a pair of staves of summoning and scum 950', but that kind of to hit requires *astronomical* levels of melee and I really can't see that happening, ever.
So yeah, now it really is worth the voice of god from above.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

go back to the old build that can't really smith shit
double 100' forge
Oh come on.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

At least I can be fairly sure there are no forges here.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Ignoramus
PCB

why did anyone ever play this

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@whereismyname
Roguelike players are a naturally self hating breed.
It only makes sense that they would play games like PCB

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Ignoramus
At least the Amy (that's me) doesn't piss off her player base by suddenly removing roles or races that people were enjoying (PCB blue mage anyone?).

massdebater
massdebater

player base
slex
Best joke I've heard all week to be quite honest

Inmate
Inmate

@WebTool
How can I see my player stats in underhound
I just finished a run but I forgot what I wanted to play next

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Seriously you should add a pony race

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@iluvmen
not a silposter but can't you still drop the jewel under your feet to combine with a lamp for even more brightness

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Poker_Star
or you could wear a helmet of brilliance that not only gives +1 light always without having to waste turns dropping things, but it also gives you protection.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@AwesomeTucker
not a silposter but can't you still drop the jewel under your feet to combine with a lamp and helmet for yet more brightness

Nojokur
Nojokur

@hairygrape
NO THAT'S DUMB AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR THINKING THAT

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@hairygrape
Yeah but that's a really low-tier tech.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Dreamworx
classic

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

1 forge created
don't even know why I'm keeping so much xp backed up
I swear to god, when I get to THAT FUCKING 500' FORGE I AM GOING TO SMITH THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StrangeWizard
user I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU SPLAT BEFORE SPENDING THAT I'LL SPLAT YOU IN REAL LIFE

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Need_TLC
I had to spend a bunch to get sprinting going but I'm still well beyond the needed range. Also no fucking mithril items have dropped like ever so no feanorian lamp of true sight sadly. And I already found a pair of +2 gloves of archery and a +2 ring of archery, which really helped me out.

JunkTop
JunkTop

THE TIME HAS COME

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Hmm. If it had been enchanted I would have been able to craft an amulet of the blessed realm. Tough luck.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I'm lovin' it.

King_Martha
King_Martha

This is the guy that drops Glend, right? I remember him from the vods.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Managed to grab dexterity from the archery tree, probably going to go with rapid shot. Finally found a mithril helm, so I'm melting it and turning into a lamp of brightness because light is seriously becoming a big issue. Thankfully I managed to grab a longbow of radiance. Shadow spider blinded me and hit me for half my health, the bastard.
Also got a staff of revelations with 5 charges and a staff of recharging to keep it full so I can scout which levels have forges.
Is inner light worth it?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Oh fuck me this is actually worth taking leaping for.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Even black women are making roguelikes while /rlg/ struggles to beat crawl with MiBe

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I DON'T LIKE THESE FLOORS
AAAAAAAH
SAVE ME

hairygrape
hairygrape

@PackManBrainlure
WHY DID YOU LET THEM SURROUND YOU
WHY DIDN'T YOU RUN

SniperWish
SniperWish

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@hairygrape
CATS
FUCKING CATS EVERYWHERE SWITCHING PLACES WHILE I WAS TRYING TO RUN AWAY
I FUCKING HATE CATS
I'M BURNING POISON ARROWS LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@CodeBuns
They really are awful, aren't they?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CodeBuns
Ah, I guess ranged is worse against cat packs than melee perhaps.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I'M THE BIGGEST MOTHERFUCKER AROUND HERE YOU PIECES OF SHIT

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT

Also look at what that big bad boy dropped for me (see followup picture)
In other news I quaffed my last healing and only have only two herbs left
In other other news after I smith that fucking lamp I am stopping this run until sunday night because FUCK THAT WAS CLOSE
@lostmypassword
years of playing ADoM have taught me to hate cats with a passion I never thought possible.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Stupidasole
Good job, user.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CodeBuns
Strong ranged is great against anything that's Evasion dependant.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

In case shit hits the fan like before, I'm making a horn of blasting just to have a chance to fall down and not die. Does it work like leaping down a chasm, 100' down?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Sir_Gallonhead
Yes, but going down a chasm is a random increase in depth, I'm pretty sure.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

He also dropped a pair of gloves that give me +1 str. I'm guessing that if I go along with Glend with a whopping 5 str I might become a quite decent melee user too. These gloves also give me knockback for free when I wear them and that works the better the more weight of the weapon. Hell, I might even grab rapid attack while I'm at it. My stats are through the roof already.

I am a complete sil noob, but I'm guessing this is viable? I'm kind of worried on relying exclusively on archery, no matter how good it is. Kemenraukos have such high defenses I have a problem getting through them with archery.
Also I ended up making a mithril helmet of true sight to switch with my dwarf mask of brilliance in case I find really dark things.

Inmate
Inmate

@CodeBuns
3d11 melee is very viable.
Calris is even better if you have sanctity.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Ok. I'd say it's pretty viable.

Nojokur
Nojokur

ancient morgothian curse.
Also should I trash antidote? I'm a walking potion shop and I just found another bottle of healing.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I think I can manage a nice mix of melee and archery when needed now.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nojokur
nice mix
Did you say race mix? Fucking kike!

King_Martha
King_Martha

Which roguelikes let me play as a genetic abomination? Is there anything less normiecore than qud and cata or is that it?

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
Adom, DCSS, Elona... None of them have mutation as deep and involved as Cata or Qud. DCSS is probably the runner-up.

Mutation is a mainstay.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@King_Martha
normiecore
go back

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@King_Martha
unreal world, you play as the finnish people

RavySnake
RavySnake

My melee accuracy with glend is nearly the same as my longbow now.
I can foresee good things happening.
Ditched the +4 EV shadow cloak because the gauntlets have -light already and when I tried fighting belegwath I found myself being completely in the dark.
I fell into an oathwraith trance before and realized my will is pretty shitty so I'm putting points there now.
I've finally encountered a cat assassin and I have immediately learned to hate them with a burning passion and keep true sight on instead of brilliance. I've got a bunch of mithril but I have no idea how to use it since I've got everything I want already and mithril greaves can't have the +dex that I really really need. I'll probably melt everything and keep it around for a mithril corselet of resilience.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@farquit
overpoweringly smelly
the smelly mutation?

Never heard of it as a status effect, and can't find it while seaching the code. are you playing the most recent experimental release and not the ancient 0.C version?

farquit
farquit

@StrangeWizard
ow god it is turning into that badger thing.

Were if somebody talked about mushrooms or snakes, memelordes start to vomit out 'badge badegah bedha snakkke'

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Shoot, I knew I should have quaffed elemental resistance but he looked so small and he only had a sliver of HP.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Overall archery was absolutely pants on head retarded. I killed big dragons, balrogs, actually two-shot telvido thinking it was a cat warrior with regular arrows with rapid fire, oneshot darting horrors, you name it. The best thing of archery too is that it keeps you *AWAY* from the danger (since 90% of the enemies of the game do not have access to ranged attacks and when they do you can still shoot at them from afar). It was a mistake to keep Glend, I was simply captivated by the big numbers and even in the end I was simply shooting scary stuff for most of the game and meleeing what I thought was popcorn (emphasis on thought). I almost died when I tried to melee greater werewolves, which usually died in two or three shots, because of the poison.
In the next run I'm going to keep focusing on archery (rout is so so good, I hope I manage to sneak a win before quirk nerfs it) and use a good shield with frost and a dwarven mask for RF.
I had even managed to grab angrist to scratch the crown and steal the sil!
Elven smiths are stupid poweful. Those stats are out of this world.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Sir_Gallonhead
F

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Sir_Gallonhead
F

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

DCSS is a terrible game my man, and I didn't even realize it until months of playing. What is the appeal to this game. What is the appeal to roguelikes at all? You just walk around attacking things? What's the strategy?

In so confused senpaitachi

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

quaff a potion of curing

WebTool
WebTool

@Poker_Star
Who fucking plays roguelikes? I just sit around and shitpost /rlg/
Way more fun desu

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Poker_Star
Ikr, I have been playing lego legends lately and is now contemplating my bad life decisions of playing single player games at all.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Spazyfool
Pissing off a player base requires having one.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Poker_Star
They're like puzzles and even when you 'endgame' (unless you play shit like MiBe) fucking up is easy if you're careless. It's the only form of RPG where I actually feel challenged.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Poker_Star
This is why you should play Tangledeep instead.

SniperGod
SniperGod

is skipping vaults 3 on hellcrawl a fairly normal thing as a melee dude or am i just not good enough yet

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Poker_Star
Haha yeah this senpai. DCSS is trash play a real roguelike like ToME for a True Tactical Experience.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@SniperGod
hellcrawl
For the mentally disabled people who inherently hates any form of content, skipping to Zot:5 is the norm.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I've never played a *band or similarly inspired game, but all this Sil-Q posting makes me want to
What do I play

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Nude_Bikergirl
sil q

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BunnyJinx
shiiieet

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nude_Bikergirl
sil is not really a 'band anymore than portal is a half life game. they share much backend code but the actual gameplay experience is very different.

if you're interested by sil play sil, because angband won't give you anything like it

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Nude_Bikergirl
poz of course

@BunnyJinx
the wearer of silq
why are you recommending the easy cheat fork? just play regular sil

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Soft_member
thats what he said he wanted

TechHater
TechHater

@JunkTop
he doesn't know what he wants

MPmaster
MPmaster

Sil and tome4 are the only good tolkien roguelikes because the an*band influence is almost unrecognisable. Fuck that shitty blight on the genre.

takes2long
takes2long

@iluvmen
DF>

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

crawl is the only good tolkien roguelike because they've removed about 90% of the tolkien, with more to come

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

sil or sil q /rlg/?

FastChef
FastChef

@LuckyDusty
adom

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Spamalot
but you only get 1 life

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

arelgee thrives

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

What does buying Unreal World on steam get me

eGremlin
eGremlin

it gets you unreal world
on steam

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@eGremlin
real roguelike bought
from steam*

Spamalot
Spamalot

@eGremlin
is there a difference between it and the downloaded version off their website?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Spamalot
the difference is that it is on steam

Inmate
Inmate

@BinaryMan
is that the only difference? its 11 burger for achievements?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

he pays burgerbucks
he isn't a europouar

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@5mileys
What it is doesn't seem to have much to do with the Gnoll enemies we see at all.
They probably should have made it something other than a gnoll.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

tfw arelgee doesn't need you anymore
:*)

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Poker_Star
Because in almost all other vidyagaems, the obstacles are entirely virtual. You just know when you boot the game that you will finish it if you just keep at it a little bit.
Roguelikes offer you no guarantee. Hell, some of them have not been won at all by anyone.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@JunkTop
Hell, some of them have not been won at all by anyone.
Which?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TalkBomber
What's the puzzle though? With DCSS you just find good items and get the right resistances, then you're done. Once you learn the mechanics the game is easy, there's no puzzle in the actual gameplay itself its just about learning the correct balance of stats.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StonedTime
slash'em extended afaik

@Illusionz
With DCSS you just find good items and get the right resistances, then you're done
that's not even close to accurate
besides you don't need to play the roulette until the game drops you the right items to win, elliptic has a 43 win streak

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Need_TLC
No one other than the creator has won SLEX because no one other than the creator cares about it.
Although I believe there are some actual roguelikes that haven't been won yet like tome and doomrl on the highest difficulties/hardest challenges, and IA has been out for a while but no one seems to care about it enough to win.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@StonedTime
possibly frozen depths?
I know nobody from rlg has won it

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Need_TLC
I don't mean it like that, I'm not playing roulette until I find good items. What I mean is that you plan your character, the stats, then you pick up the right items to gain certain stats & resistances for each area and then you clear them.

There just isn't much strategy with combat, can you explain to me how there is? Maybe I just got too good at the game to realize it, but it just doesn't seem there. Once you know how stats work and the monsters in each area the game is practically finished.

FastChef
FastChef

@Poker_Star
The fuck is that

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
and IA has been out for a while but no one seems to care about it enough to win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0mtDGPKDMk
?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Flameblow
have you tried playing something other than a MiBE?
the game offer plenty of situations where you find yourself in a tight spot and you have to find a way to get out of it while spending a minimal amount of resources

I've lost plenty of characters that looked "set for everything" in hell or pan

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Flameblow
Maybe I just got too good at the game to realize it
you probably are, try an aggressive speedrun or megazigging

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Garbage Can Lid
megazigging
being difficult

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Flameblow
Maybe I just got too good at the game to realize it
Yes, but being good at DCSS is similar to being able to count to 12.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Crazy_Nice
difficult panlord floors pose a threat, especially since the big 3 wands are gone. moreso than the regular game

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Flameblow
can we see your streaks? I find it hard to believe that someone who says he has mastered the game would have an understanding of it that is limited to "get some res and kill everything"

w8t4u
w8t4u

@FastChef
it's frozen depths

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@w8t4u
Elaborate

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nude_Bikergirl
Hunger clock is instead a freeze-to-death clock, with some monsters and environmental things inflicting chilly damage.

It felt like a slog to me.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Evil_kitten
@Flameblow
@Garbage Can Lid
@PurpleCharger
Hahahaha oh wow. There are "people" here that think their precious DCSS needs any skill to play. I bet all of you faggots wouldn't even be able to make it past the t1s on Madness in a real skill based roguelike.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Garbage Can Lid
please go against your natural instincts and refrain from ruining a civil discussion

whereismyname
whereismyname

@CouchChiller
DCSS
civil
They're not even talking about Tangledeep, how is it a civil discussion?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

remove minmay

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Evil_kitten
I'm not trying to brag user, I'm honestly wondering why I played this game for months. I can't remember what I thought was fun and I'm trying to remember.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

not paying your tithe to biskup
how do you live with yourselves you filthy heretics

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

minmay is the one falseflagging as a hardcore tometist

Illusionz
Illusionz

@eGremlin
then surely you know it's not as simple as "get res and win" otherwise you would have gotten your wins after a couple try and you wouldn't have stuck to the game

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz
It's my first roguelike I've played and what was hard is learning how to play, and about the dungeon. Now that I've learned about the dungeon everything seems easy. I'm not saying you just pick up good items and win, I'm saying that after you learn about the game it becomes very linear and without much difficulty.

I mean that it seems like all the difficulty comes from planning character builds/what you use and not the combat situations themselves.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Methnerd
tales of maj'eyal is the main roguelike you'd go to if you wanted difficult and meaningful combat

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spamalot
tomeposting

Playboyize
Playboyize

If I remember correctly, hydras are terrible at melee for some reason, right? They sound fun but I don't want to be trapped in a useless pseudo-warrior class.

Also, taking recommendations (preferably something that isn't garbage)!

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Playboyize
centipedes

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Playboyize
thanks

FastChef
FastChef

@Playboyize
(preferably something that isn't garbage)
SilQ

Skullbone
Skullbone

@FastChef
I actually plan on playing that later. Smithing sounds really fun!

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize
Quylthulg!

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Snarelure
Hm, I've been meaning to play a summoning class, but Qs seem really time-consuming to play (and due to their stats/speed, seem liable to get oneshotted by serpent/[insert lategame threat here]). Am I correct or do they become bulky later?

Oh, and I heard the summons rely on your alignment, and if youre the wrong alignment summoning doesn't even work.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Snarelure
they are a meme race
centipedes are a real race though
also maybe jellies

Methshot
Methshot

@Snarelure
Oh, and I heard the summons rely on your alignment, and if youre the wrong alignment summoning doesn't even work.
I never heard such a thing but I always played with virtues off just because of the message spam.

However summoning WILL avoid creating monsters that will be hostile to your pre-existing pets. So a PC who dominates an angel and then attempts to summon dragons will only get neutral or good-aligned ones IIRC

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
centipedes are a real race
Wow, really? I tried one, once, beat camelot and died to something retarded. Do they actually get good later? Sounds very fun, if so.

jellies
Played plenty. Pretty fun, but could do with some more gimmicks imo.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@massdebater
Oh, and was I correct about Hydras? 11 hits + slaying (kobold/troll hat/terror mask) sounds like a winning combo, but I remember someone whining about them once so I'm cautious.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Lunatick
11 hits but not actually incredibly high damage per round, and you get fucked over by damage auras
if you want a melee warrior type monster race try a dragon or a xorn

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Ignoramus
11 hits but not actually incredibly high damage per round, and you get fucked over by damage auras
Getting fucked by damage auras is sorta interesting, I guess, a fair tradeoff for good damage.

not actually incredibly high damage per round
Well, shit. Even with slaying?

Dragon/xorn
Steels are pretty boring. Might try a xorn and stockpile good shields. Shame about the slot-fucking they have later on.

TreeEater
TreeEater

So 4 hand slots, 4 glove slots, and 4 rings? No helmets, amulets, cloaks, boots, or body armor? No natural AC? How are you supposed to play this?

Guess I'll find out.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

but you can ~~~walk through waaallls~~~
it's incredibly powerful and also incredibly abusable

Soft_member
Soft_member

@SomethingNew
I figured. It might just be stupid and zany enough to work.

Does that include perma-rock? If not, The Arena is a plain no-go, and I will have to grind dragon-land instead.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TreeEater
2 glove slots
and i guess an ammy slot?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Soft_member
nothing includes perma-rock
you can however create normal rock with destruction or earthquakes for all your arena needs

Firespawn
Firespawn

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20546

centis get 7 boot slots
4 rings
1 ammy

@Playboyize
oh right thats a light slot, not ammy

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How deep can a dungeon be in Nethack without crashing the game? Let's find out.

Methshot
Methshot

@Playboyize
2 glove slots.
Oh, that makes sense, and makes them way worse.
This is going to be a challenge.

@Emberburn
That works. Destruction in general sounds incredibly useful.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Am i ready for the Darkforge?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@eGremlin
what 'band is this

SniperGod
SniperGod

@eGremlin
probably, i can't remember if elemental brands actually work if you don't bypass PV
if not please get big punch unless you want to take an hour to kill one steel golem

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Ignoramus
Hmm. Quite deep, it seems.

Inmate
Inmate

@SniperGod
what is elemental brands?

takes2long
takes2long

@eGremlin
are you a barbarian? if not you are going to need a much better weapon then that to take on steel golems without slaying ammo.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@takes2long
i'm a mage so i wear spear. is it all you need - a good weapon?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Poker_Star
If you're a mage, spells are generally more important. What's your known spells looking like right now?

Techpill
Techpill

@Poker_Star
If you're a mage you can generally shred steel golems with lightning ball. Bolt still does a lot of damage but they're much more likely to shrug it off because ADOM hates bolt spells past the early game.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@eGremlin
You should play Elona instead, which is basically a non-sucky ADOM.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Fried_Sushi
you talking only about offensive capabilities. this is strange since i always look only on pv. i have lightning ball and heal so i can kill them without much pv.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Poker_Star
Steel golems resist fire/cold and shrug basically all bolt spells. You need lightning ball or good melee to get through dfg on a caster.

@Techpill
Other than a few edge cases bolts are actually good until endgame, most things like titans, wyrms and Andor Drakon don't actually shrug them that often and you can actually cast them at range instead of 2 tiles away.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Post uniques. Any game doesn't matter.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Emberburn
Archaeologists can walk through permarock.
Don't tell Chris though, he'd probably have a stroke.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Snarelure
i like adom, there are almost no things that i don't like about it. at least in a bit outdated version of mine. what's so good about elona?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Carnalpleasure
Tell him that you edited the data files, *that* will really cause him to have a stroke.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StrangeWizard
the end

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@haveahappyday
Maybe Smithing really is the way, now - if you get insanely, insanely lucky with tons and tons of forges you might be able to do something.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Inmate
It's a donation thing - in the past UrW has actually been 'more updated versions are paid'. Now, Steam funds development since normies don't know you can get it for free.

I still bought it since I love the man and have played it for years.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SniperGod
I'll be honest; I really love Infra Arcana - I've even won it, but... I get really fucking stressed out when playing it. Like, the tension is real. I don't know if it's the sound design or just the stress/diving mechanics or both, but it just spikes me like no other. I almost can't play it any longer. Am I alone in being this fucked? I usually don't have a problem with horror or anything, so it's not that.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Lord_Tryzalot
what does skiing do

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Lunatick
No, it genuinely is a stressful, unfun game.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Poker_Star
It moves you across snow at less cost to your fatigue than walking or running! See that 'Fatigue' bar under 'Carrying'? That -% applies to every skill check plus your total speed - very, very important. No enemies skii, so you gain a pretty sizable advantage in speed and skill during winter since enemies follow the exact same rules as you do: they get exhausted running through the waist-high snow.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BlogWobbles
Infra Arcana
How can a turnbased game be stressful? Just walk away from the screen like nerd just close your eyes.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Burnblaze
more nethack stuff

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Stark_Naked
@Boy_vs_Girl
So does this mean Dynahack is objectively the best Nethack variant? Is the only reason the existance of shitkoban isn't in the QoL table because no variants remove it

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat
Dyna's pretty great. I wish it was still actively developed, but bugs standing in the way of further development ground it to a halt. Bad codebase (nitrohack).

Dnethack and fiqhack are active and also pretty awesome. For new content and QoL respectively. Those tables could stand to be updated a bit but it was easier to repost them.

Evilember
Evilember

@TurtleCat
Dynahack actually moves the soko prize to mine’s end and replaces it with a bunch of loot making it completely optional

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

>>195908943
The fug was that

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TurtleCat
@Evilember
Fourk has pretty extensive Soko changes, don't forget to use the spoilers
https://dpaste.de/ybAd

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Stark_Naked
noice thx bae

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

CDDA is a fun game.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@LuckyDusty
Fun fact: Linux t-shirts were added by pouar, because he wanted to roleplay his diaper-shitting fursona which wears an Arch Linux t-shirt.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@w8t4u
Please tell me there's a blacklist that removes these shitty fetish items

idontknow
idontknow

Should I buy Qud?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Yep

Inmate
Inmate

@w8t4u
Is there a diaper?

WebTool
WebTool

@happy_sad
There's the famous Dildon'ts and BN ships with partial Dildon'ts (removes fetish shit, but not guns which are covered by "no futuristic guns" mod), but they don't remove Linux t-shirts because it's not really a fetish item, just like floor tiles aren't fetish items.

RumChicken
RumChicken

oh cool is this the technical support thread for Elona? i'm playing Elona+ Custom and both characters i rolled have a perpetual hex that gives them Distraction (100) for 999 turns (when 999 turns end, pretty soon the hex starts over again). why is this happening and how do i remove it? there is nothing i am wearing, or on my character page that lists mutations and disease effects that would correspond to this.

its pretty hard playing a magic user when i have -20% chance to cast spells.

askme
askme

@RumChicken
Are you save-scumming? I remember they implemented some anti-save-scumming features a while ago, but I haven't played in ages.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@askme
i was early on, so that could explain it. it took me a lot of time to re-learn how to even play the game. maybe its time to roll something new again.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@WebTool
I'm kinda new to CataDDA, how many fetish items are actually in it? I haven't seen any

RavySnake
RavySnake

@LuckyDusty
I wish the last version of Dynahack didn't break savefiles on WinXP

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@RumChicken
Elona has its own general on jp, far more active, polite and in general superior to ours.

@askme
@Stark_Naked
No this has nothing to do with it. Go to the jp thread and see if anyone has similar issues. The anti-savescumming is a clock that turns on when you load in if you last time exited the game improperly that prevents rare drops from spawning at all for a while. Its entirely avoided by just exiting properly and with custom you can turn it off

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@iluvmen
I've seen kink shops with BDSM gear, ball gags, latex, etc. but that stuff exists IRL so it doesn't bother me, and latex suits can be very useful in the apocalypse

iluvmen
iluvmen

@iluvmen
vibrator not really fetish but silly
leather mask with zipper
leather corset
leather chaps
fursuits (2, I think)

happy_sad
happy_sad

@RavySnake
Play it online instead. It's as stable as possible on this server. (I would advise this in general for windows users, not just for dynahack save issues)

https://www.hardfought.org/hterm/

Bidwell
Bidwell

@iluvmen
They're very rare.
Basically the ones @iluvmen
listed (I only know of one fursuit, a wolf model), as well as fake cat ears and tails (leather and plastic models).

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Inmate
No, but as darkling wolf was a furry, and rlg hates furries. We always need to imply cdda is a pervert simulator.

... sorry broke character there.

yes, there are daipers. furfags even planning to add sex with furry npcs

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
Akshuly, the only one who added anything related to sex with npcs was [email protected] AKA that_guy AKA ponyfag and it wasn't really sex, just some innocent penis milking.

Lunatick
Lunatick

didn't Kevin Granade actually refuse to put the "no dildos or fursuits" mod into mainline cdda though

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Bidwell
A lot of the furry items only spawn in labs, and if there is a sex shop, never seen one, they are also rare.

@Lunatick
The only reason there isn't a mainline remove the 'fetish'/sex items mod is because when people suggest it, they keep being retards about it. Which causes a massive backlash.

For example, adding women's clothing to the fetish item list.

It is now basically a toxic subject, and a sort of concern troll magnet.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Lunatick
@Spazyfool
I can see how that would be an issue, yeah.
Wearing panties as a male definitely makes it a fetish item. And what about french maid dresses? Even as a female?

You'd have to create a mod with individual toggles for each suspect item if you want to not risk offending anyone, since it'd be impossible to draw a line everyone's happy with for something so culturally not to mention personally divisive as fetishes.
Fuck, high heels and smoking are common fetish items, but removing all cigarettes and lower-tier boots would be pretty retarded.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

help a brainlet out. how do i go down? there are no stairs down. i even used autiexplore to see if if missed anything and no.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Spazyfool
The only reason there isn't a mainline remove the 'fetish'/sex items mod is because when people suggest it, they keep being retards about it. Which causes a massive backlash.
you have to be an asslicker
not being an asslicker is the same as being a retard
At this point everyone knows that dildoes and fursuits are a stupid idea, but admitting it would mean admitting defeat and the only way (((some people))) can handle being wrong is denial.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@PackManBrainlure

Press '>'
Shift + '.' on a normal american keyboard.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PackManBrainlure
there is a secret door
try 's'earching along the walls of those two top left rooms or the ends of corridors

5mileys
5mileys

@Spazyfool
It is now basically a toxic subject, and a sort of concern troll magnet.
the absolute state of catagoons

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Firespawn
that only works if on the stairs. i can use < to go up and instantly win the game, but that's dumb

@Supergrass
turns out the boulder i coudn't push earlier i had to just keep pushing until it worked. now i just need to get my pet to stop eating my food/kill it before i starve to death

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Snarelure
Yeah, and that is a bit of the problem, complaining about stuff like bra's or fursuits as fetish items says more about the people complaining about it than the actual state of the game.
Irony, vibrators included because 'fuck social taboos', makes Veeky Forums upset.

@Deadlyinx
Yes ... it is the jews...

TechHater
TechHater

@Booteefool
You couldn't push it because there was a monster on the other side, but the monster has since moved.

You can also solve problems like that by throwing weapons, shooting arrows, or casting spells past the boulder (just make sure it's something it's okay to kill!)

MPmaster
MPmaster

oh actually now im trapped behind two boulders in a room with no exits and starving to death annoyingly fast. searched all over, nothing.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

this bad poster repeating a weird unfunny meme is the same one who was spamming "taneldep" with brainlet images before, isn't he

Illusionz
Illusionz

@MPmaster
sometimes you can search 25 times right next to a door and still not find it. try kicking some walls that you think might be doors. It will probably hurt, but it might work.

https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Search

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@MPmaster
If you can't push the boulder, there might be a monster behind it. In some hacks you can throw past boulders, btw.

But I think there might be two boulders wedged together, so you kinda killed yourself there.

FastChef
FastChef

i want a yume nikki roguelike

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Illusionz
damn this is the kind of thing i picked the variant with auto-explore to avoid.

@Deadlyinx
yea boulder behind boulder. this was seemingly the only way to go.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Emberburn
Well try kicking all the walls and hope for a secret door. And if you can't find one?

F.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Stupidasole
Irony, vibrators included because 'fuck social taboos', makes Veeky Forums upset.
There is "fuck social taboos" like openly talking about STDs, warning women that dressing skimpily increases the chance of getting raped, burning icons of a religion dominant in the country, arguing for euthanasia, or even just supporting equal rights in a third world country.
Then there is "fuck social taboos" like cringy feminist performance art, men taking selfies while crying to show men have feelings too, unironic /r/atheism type quotes, or men wearing miniskirts to show that they don't cause rape.
Guess where do virtual dildoes belong.

Fursuits are a different matter. Darklingwolf was just making a joke, no cringy bullshit in here.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Pick the best roguelike
http://www.strawpoll.me/14421996

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberburn
RIP. You chose auto-explore, but not non-evil search checks!

(nah but when you get the hang of it, you'll have a "feel" for where to search, and whether it's unwise to push a boulder. then you can even rock exploration in vanilla without getting salty - eventually)

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TurtleCat
no steamband

farquit
farquit

@Lunatick
char will prolly starve to death soon but eventually i found a door above the boulders
thanks guys

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TurtleCat
Some of those aren't even roguelikes

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Carnalpleasure
The first category.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@farquit
Pray you silly goose

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Emberfire
Some of those aren't even roguelikes
here we go again

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@farquit
why aren't we eating the carrots

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Gigastrength
Kill yourself my man

happy_sad
happy_sad

@TurtleCat
no tangledeep

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Gigastrength
1 way faggotry is not a roguelike

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@haveahappyday
oh i had no idea that filled me. or that i had a god on this class.

@New_Cliche
i ate a ton of them. they dont seem to fill much hunger or i somehow got sick or something. im just constantly hungry all the time no matter how much i eat

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TurtleCat
no binding of isaac

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TurtleCat
don't pray too often. everyone has a god, conveniently, but they don't approve of needy champions. any time you're in serious trouble, consider prayer as a fallback solution but try to find a non-prayer solution.

carrots don't help much, but they do help

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Carnalpleasure
Virtual dildoes are feminism

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@JunkTop
Nice reading comprehension

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

CDDA
Try to start a fire in what I think is a cement basement
Walls catch on fire
Can't escape
Overheat and die

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TurtleCat
What made you think it was a good idea to start a fire indoors?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@New_Cliche
I thought it would be OK.

I was wrong.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Hey do we talk about Monolith here?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

probably not
is it Like Rogue?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Going to a be a big hard no .

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Gigastrength
@lostmypassword
http://team-d13.com/monolith/
Meant this one, it's pretty fun.

Inmate
Inmate

@CodeBuns
smooth, fast and gracious action gameplay
No. It's nothing like Rogue

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Smooth, fast and gracious action gameplay.
The answer is still no, fuck off to /indie/ pls and ty

5mileys
5mileys

I've been bored with DDA, anyone got any hype new games?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@5mileys
Play sil-q

Techpill
Techpill

Glad we could all come to a reasonable consensus on what the best roguelike is.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@LuckyDusty
New character respawns in same area
Return to the old house I tried to make a base
It's completely burnt to the ground
Fire still raging in the basement.

Lol

happy_sad
happy_sad

@PackManBrainlure
This is one game where I think I actually prefer the tiles.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

leave this place and never return

Emberfire
Emberfire

@PackManBrainlure
Hey, free nails.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TalkBomber
Make me anime boy

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@TalkBomber
do you not know how to use the reply button christ

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

please don't call me christ

Flameblow
Flameblow

Don't you have some pony porn you should be jerking it to?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Flameblow
i have but i very rarely do this

Inmate
Inmate

How's about a new thread?
/vg/thread/195932270#p195932270

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@lostmypassword
He's a newfag pretending to be a 4channer, just ignore him.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I regret nothing

cum2soon
cum2soon

DED GENRE
DED GENERAL

Snarelure
Snarelure

@happy_sad
It definitely took some getting used to. The ASCII games I played before all have a different "scale", where no matter what the object is it takes up about 1 tile.

In CDDA things take up a proportional number of tiles based on what they are, except for creatures I think, and that makes for extremely different gameplay. Driving was very strange the first time I tried it because of how the car shapes morph as you turn and move.

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