/scg/edg/ Star Elite: Citizen Dangerous General #227

Firespawn
Firespawn

ED info:
https://pastebin.com/zEufftYe

Elite Dangerous v2.4 is online with improvements to base game and dlc content.
Frontier announced a new expansion called "Beyond" and will offer it for free to everyone who bought horizon.
Season three will focus on refining core gameplay and introducing new content.

Retaliation Trailer*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38bHNSB4cDM

Frontier Official YT
https://www.youtube.com/user/FrontierDevelopments/videos

*Not actual game footage
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Star Citizen Information:
After many delays 3.0 is in the hands of evocati for final testing before releasing it to the public.
Evocati Q&A
https://pastebin.com/Sbd5bPbH
FAQs
https://pastebin.com/Pzet9vLW

Star Citizen Official YT
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTeLqJq1mXUX5WWoNXLmOIA

Other games:
http://pastebin.com/cugkem8w

Above is a pastebin of games you can play while waiting for SC and E:D to become playable.

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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/15658-Q-A-MISC-Razor
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13626-Letter-From-The-Chairman-40-Million
https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo
https://gafferongames.com/
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/home-featured-content/16249-The-Anniversary-Special
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iluvmen
iluvmen

Old thread
/vg/thread/195271712#p195271712

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Remember lads, thick thighs save lives.

Firespawn
Firespawn

But how will the showering minigame work? Will there be different grades of soap? Dry shower for space hobos who cant afford the water? Will we have to clean crevices manually? Will the thoroughness of that crevice cleaning effect the reaction we get from npcs? How will they handle water droplet fidelity? Will we have to dry off after too and wait a minute to suit back up so we're not all clammy? Can we turn off our gravity gens and turn on the shower to create visual clutter for concealment and to reduce the effectiveness of laser weapons?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Firespawn
You mock it now, but eventually games that are as complex and detailed as real life will be the norm.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BunnyJinx
Mocking.
I'm just predicting the creep. Practicing my divination for the my ascent into wizardhood 1 year hence.

Booteefool
Booteefool

3.0.0 must not be released at any cost!

How do we accuse CIG of not having a diverse enough workforce?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

>>195579141

Sources tell me he loves it. He wrote a blog about it.

It's a shame the plebbit mods got sick of his legal threats and harassment and closed down his only audience.

What will he do to get attention now?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

/vg/thread/195271712#p195567729
so are you against players gettin gud and learning the proper racing line through a circuit?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Booteefool
Has Dirk ever claimed that he applied but CIG turned him down because he's a man of color?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@iluvmen
Wait, Derek applied to work at CIG?

Oh, this all makes sense now.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Booteefool
It's no use, brother. The Escapist literally wrote an article where they claimed that Sandi refuses to hire black people, and yet they're still swimming in JPEG moolah.

5mileys
5mileys

'Threadly' reminder that Star Citizen will have it's commercial release before the announcement of Half Life 3

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Evil_kitten

Not in a direct way, more of a "send shitty emails to everyone in CIG telling them how to do their jobs and demand to be given respect" kind of way... that's probably how he weaseled into Alganon and fucked over the investors and took the rest of their money

He tried to do the same with CIG of course

He even wrote out a huge list of things he would do when given control of the company, who he will fire, how he will gut the game and dump a shitty BC3000 game on the market and "make backers cry"

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Evil_kitten
That's how the thing started as I know.
He was trying to leverage fans by telling them that only with him inside the devs team would CIG face "fiscal responsibility", in short he was trying to get hired by saying his employer were shady and could misspent the money unless he was there.
We'll agree only him could come up with such a strategy.

drek himself pushed his ex employer Take-two to bankruptcy by suing them for money when they forcibly released the games he always failed to cut the loss.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@StonedTime
If SC ever comes out, I expect Smart to show up at the release party drunk out of his mind and with a gun he plans on using. The only recourse left to him would be murder.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
Considering how competent he have been at the rest he'll show up with a nerf gun and accidentally shoot himself.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Carnalpleasure
But isn't LA a gun free zone?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TurtleCat
Isn't Mexico a gun free zone too?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Booteefool
@5mileys
@GoogleCat
@TurtleCat
global rule 13

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Supergrass
I guess it would be and that's EXACTLY why we all know that abolishing the 2nd amendment is gonna make EVERYTHING better am'rite goys??

whereismyname
whereismyname

*blocks your path*

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@TurtleCat
They won't issue concealed carry permits and open carry is limited to situations of grave danger, so you're effectively limited to keeping your guns at home.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@ZeroReborn
responding for myself.

I do not see how //www.Veeky Forums.org/rules#global13 applies to me

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Evil_kitten
Legend has it he made a tweet in 2013 after they had money rolling in telling CR that if he needed experienced help developing a space game he'd come on board as a consultant or something.
This tweet is not in his history which means either people lied about seeing it or it was deleted by DS prior to his outburst.
Other than that he was primarily convinced it was a scam by those weird sad people who still used to visit his old 3000ad forums before he decided to go after CR and then claim victim when they refunded his arse.
They probably didn't even realize he was a backer till he starting flinging salt around.
Closing down the DS reddit is probably the most sensible solution I fully believe it'd be a nightmare to moderate especially with how thin skinned DS is.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Lord_Tryzalot
I think the race shouldn't be determine long before the green flag even drops. This isn't about the individual racer (the winner in this case) but rather the "sport" as a whole.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Burnblaze
he applied officially and when sandi came across his resume, chris and eric (wingman) noped the fuck out of him and sandi declined his application.

or so i recall.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@GoogleCat
I don't even think he'll manage to show up as he will have tried to get drunk on isopropyl and be found dead in his motel room the next day

Methshot
Methshot

@Firespawn
or so i recall.
Where do you recall seeing this?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot

i want to say on eric's unoffical ustreams Wingman's hangover.

he was drunk and answering fan questions.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

E:D still doing CG as story progression
Thargoids still only found in specific locations over a month after """"""""""""""""first contact""""""""""""""""

lol i bailed again from E:D within a week of 2.4 release. How the fuck do you dads bare it. Are your lives really that boring or are you cucked that much or a combination of both?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@New_Cliche
I play after every big patch and then go back to other things when I inevitably get bored again. Maybe if I get a hardon for space I hop back in for a bit.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Skullbone
patchdays and the proceeding patch weeks aren't even good in E:D. So I doubt I'll come back until they update planet graphics again.
This game is doomed to a screenshot simulator with these shit devs.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Ignoramus
ep #? date?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Lord_Tryzalot
i agree.by the time e;d will have purchasable npc capital ships there will be atleast 3 games with playable ones aside from star citizen ofc

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Soft_member
i woudl have mentioned tha tinstead of "or so i recall" if iremembered that specific detail.

go rewatch wingman's hangovers, or link me to an archive and i will find it.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Deadlyinx
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wingmancig
?

girlDog
girlDog

@GoogleCat
i only see 8 video's there was one after almost every wingman's hangar.

DeathDog
DeathDog

When is the next Star Citizen event?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@DeathDog
Thanksgiving/anniversary steam at the end of November, then the Holiday stream mid December.

StonedTime
StonedTime

The Lore team would like to invite you to help us name Xi’an animals.

Evilember
Evilember

@New_Cliche
@Skullbone
That new AX fighter actually fucks up player ships because it does class-4-tier untyped damage that bypasses resistances. It's great for the griffage.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@StrangeWizard
Ain't that ship the scout thingy from the Carrack?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@StrangeWizard
then the Holiday stream mid December.
That stream better be wall to wall info on sq42 followed by "We're releasing 3.0 RIGHT NOW!" at the end. Anything else and we riot.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@hairygrape
Where did you get that idea from?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Bidwell
Who knows...

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberfire
Anything else and we riot.
Nah man, Backers don't riot they complain on forums get their posts deleted, complain on plebbit get downvoted and then just quit following the game.
There are going to be hundreds of thousands of people who will one day in the future see some gameplay of Star Citizen and then remember they own it and have to reactivate their accounts and refresh the passwords.

TreeEater
TreeEater

What's the cheapest CDKey you can get for E:D

Does the Season Pass actually matter?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@BlogWobbles
hundreds of thousands of people
think no way this can be true
go check rsi website funding page
nearly 2mil backers
jesus fuck
does this include the ks backers too?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Supergrass
Did you just make it up?

Techpill
Techpill

@LuckyDusty
does this include the ks backers too?
Well the ones who didn't refund out of this hot mess.
But yeah there are definitely hundreds of thousands of Star Citizen backers with auroras who have never played the game in any state.
This is why it's so hard to pressure CIG to do anything, whales are stuck either they refund out and potentially lose their power structure or they suck it up and try not to succumb to marketing.
Most of them however just buy shit because they've reached that age in life where they have money they don't know what to do with.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I have $1,300 ready to drop on ships.

Is this vaporware or not?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@BlogWobbles
Is this vaporware or not?
No.
But it's basically a closed alpha game so if you back you won't be able to play the latest patches anymore.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BlogWobbles
Star Citizen is V A P O R W A V E

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@CouchChiller
We'll find out one way or the other this friday or the next

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StrangeWizard
inb4 they announce that the scout thingy couldn't fit in the Carrack and so they'll be selling it as a longe-range snub-sized vessel with no guns

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spazyfool
no way is it gonna be this week
its gonna be the next

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Spazyfool
The thing lloks like the lovechild between a vanguard and a hornet, don't know why you'd think it'd be the Pisces, a scout ship that has to fit inside a Carrack. With those huge wings and tailfins adding all that negative space, doesn't make much sense.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
We all know that if there's going to be a new ship, they'll likely have Homeless Santa make a post about it, at least usually they do that sort of thing like a week in advance

TechHater
TechHater

@BlogWobbles
don't mind @Carnalpleasure
he is jealous because CIG didn't choose him as a volunteer to suffer through the bugs.
We will get open alpha, PLAYABLE alpha, not stuff that crash the server if you look at it wrong.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Carnalpleasure
Ships that wouldn't make sense
CIG
come on... you almost got a connection there

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TechHater
didn't choose him as a volunteer to suffer through the bugs
this is grade A classic bullshit. CIG uses their secret club of secret backers to do the "open" development that was promised to the rest of the backers while keeping the gameplay hidden with an nda agreement.
All of the old backers that paid in early and paid extra for the access have been cut out of the development they were promised to be a part of, so don't come here with your total bullshit of anyone in evocati "suffering" in any way as they do the tedious task of playing the fucking game.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TechHater
not stuff that crash the server if you look at it wrong
Still waiting on any kind of evidence that ETF ever (knowingly) gets access to anything that can crash a server.
Quit spreading lies.

TechHater
TechHater

@Nojokur
All of the old backers that paid in early and paid extra for the access have been cut out of the development
They still can access the alpha build and Devs make shows regularly about WIP gameplay let alone the weekly internal schedule updates and monthly studio updates.
so don't come here with your total bullshit
This isn't your personal hugbox and he's allowed to discuss anything he wants.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TechHater
They still can access the alpha build
2.6.3 is a "Live" build, not Alpha, so no they fuck they don't
personal hugbox
no, there is reddit and spectrum for your constant CIG rimjob.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nojokur
secret club of secret backers
Ah yes that "secret" club that everyone both knows about and knows how to get into. Very secret.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@CouchChiller
it's called alpha 2.6.3 retard

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Lord_Tryzalot
knows how to get into
what are the criteria for entry?
how many submissions?
what are the exact metrics used to select who is eligible, and then select from that list, who gets invited?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Nojokur
as they do the tedious task of playing the fucking game.

This is the exact attitude of why the ETF exists, by the way. You think they're playing.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Playboyize
You think they're playing.
dude, they are playing the game. if you think because they are asked to do a specific action and report on it, and they aren't going to just play the game also, you are fucking deluded.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Booteefool
Yeah, I'm not getting into this with you, you scream like an autist every single thread about it and its fucking boring

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@CodeBuns
REEEE get out of my hugbox
why can't you just accept what a for profit company tells you without question?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@ZeroReborn

Show us a non-profit company that makes any luxury product ever

FastChef
FastChef

@Skullbone
not him but depending on how you define "luxury"
Gates Foundation
Red Cross

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Playboyize
If they aren't "playing" then why does the NDA exist even after the next build gets released?
To be more clear: Why can they not show video or talk about features from previous builds they have "tested?"

Illusionz
Illusionz

/vg/thread/195271712#p195573530
fast forward to today
it does work and is very cool
the guy who spent four months failing at it out of spite probably got fired for blabbing to kotaku

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@SomethingNew
They chose peoples who helped a lot at reporting bugs on the Issues Councils, people who gave more constructive stuff than whine about the bugs or ask for they snowflake ship to be better.

It's definitely not a reward, what they are asked to do is stuff like "We want you to do this boring and repetitive task over and over and over so we can pinpoint where the problem happen"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpgxiK9msQU&feature=youtu.be&t=2781

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StonedTime
same autist who want camera in every room of CIG
NDA exist because it give a legal framework to forbid gaming website and media from make money of something that isn't representative of the product.
It is basic intellectual property laws. This isn't because some retard want to see how their product is made that you have to let them in the factory.

Evilember
Evilember

@VisualMaster
They chose peoples who helped a lot at reporting bugs on the Issues Councils
and also people who were "recommended" in on the word of other evocati alone.
It's definitely not a reward,
this is bullshit, it's described as meritocratic process, but the rules are secret and arbitrary. this makes it exactly a reward instead of a privilege earned.
@Stark_Naked
to forbid gaming website and media from make money of something that isn't representative of the product
name any example of this from any alpha game that isn't the deleted escapist articles

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Illusionz
it does work and is very cool
That has yet to be seen. Pesky nda

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Evilember

name any example of this that isn't the exact reason for this to exist to begin with

likme
likme

@VisualMaster
Is it conceivable that someone could provide constructive criticism and useful ideas but not be highly active on the issue council?
Presuming you say yes: Why are they excluded from the process than?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Evilember
@StonedTime
@ZeroReborn
@Booteefool
@Nojokur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNpehlT-aE

Every fucking thread.

FastChef
FastChef

@Stark_Naked
same autist who want camera in every room of CIG
I have never said this. I have never said anything close to this. I do not want this unless it will give us more of pic related
NDA exist because it give a legal framework to forbid gaming website and media from make money of something that isn't representative of the product.
It is basic intellectual property laws. This isn't because some retard want to see how their product is made that you have to let them in the factory.
None of that addresses the questions in the post you linked.
Why forbid the ETF from talking about what they worked on in previous builds that are no longer being tested?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@viagrandad
item 2.0 has been showcased for a straight year now
and then there's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwUtzq3A5-o

iluvmen
iluvmen

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/spectrum-dispatch/16246-Naming-Animals-From-The-Xian-Empire

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@eGremlin
the escapist deal was squarely CR's fault for giving legitimacy to it with his crazy string of letters and no one would have ever given a fuck about some shit gaming site that no one reads anyway.
@Emberfire
cry moar faggot. you give me resolve to stay every time to squeal.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@FastChef
forgot pic no booli

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BinaryMan

some shit gaming site that no one reads anyway
That would be Kotaku and Polygon and everything but not really

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BinaryMan
pathetic neet

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Emberfire
If you don't like their arguements then don't engage them. And if just seeing them there is causing you duress, there is a hide post button for a reason.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

This place has become worse than reddit. That stiry fry 3.0 wait crazy kicking in.
Brb 1 year.

idontknow
idontknow

@PackManBrainlure
pls take @BinaryMan
with you lol

Evilember
Evilember

@Stupidasole
item 2.0 has been showcased for a straight year now
There is a large difference between showing something in a scripted(-ish) stage demo and allowing the consumer access to it. Look no further than e3 (and I guess now PAX) for the past decade for evidence of that. Any number of corners can be count, any number of concessions can be accounted for, any number of blemishes can be steered away from for the 5 or so minutes its up on the stage screen in the hands of an in-company individual purposefully giving it the glam treatment.
and then there's this
links a 4 hour long video
Was there a certain part of this you wanted to draw my attention too?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@idontknow
you'll wish I left. If you don't like what I'm saying, you're the one with the problem, not me.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@VisualMaster
no you

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
Thanks for trying
But this has already been brought up at least a couple of times.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@VisualMaster
Have you STILL not managed to get into evocati though?
How bad are you at issue council reports?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Did you know Star Citizen has a netcode design that absolutely can NOT simultaneously satisfy the game feature goals, high player capacity, and basic functionality and competitiveness?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@SomethingNew
This wouldn't surprise me if it were true but I'd also need to see proof before I would believe it.
Can I see your proof?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Evilember
that's footage of live gameplay because i knew you would bitch about "scripted" demonstrations

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Playboyize
derek gives the reasoning in a few posts here

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg1200#msg1200

But think of it like this, in 5 years they can't get 16 players to work with decent functionality, in an isolated match. They said 1000 players, and connected to other instances including fps, planetary flight, stations e.t.c. They aren't exactly saving the easy part for last. They have everything left to do.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Boy_vs_Girl
B-b-b-b-b-b-but user this is from s-s-s-several months a-a-ago!

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Burnblaze
A long time ago I made some shitty videos and was tagged as a creator on the forums. I have made unique submissions, confirmed anything I found already reported, and contributed to every patch up from the hangar up until around 2.6 when it was obvious no amount of work was going to get me an invite to a group of 800, especially since CIG thinks I'm some producer with my literally 0 subs.
I won't try to say I set the standard or anything, but I did a hell of a lot more than other people brag about and the idea of etf being something you earn your way into is total bullshit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Need_TLC
Still don't know what you want part of this you want me to see. Allowing people 5-10 mins to screw around in a very restricted area isn't exactly knocking it out of the park.
Besides, (and correct me if I am wrong as I very well could be) what part of the demon demonstrated item 2.0? I thought it was just a new area and flight from orbit to surface?
Seriously, at least give me a ballpark of where on the video you want me to watch.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SomethingNew
Good thing I'm hoping they never manage more than 100 players. If they can't have more player they'll go for more NPC better mission and PVP will last longer before you meet that Korean no-life kid who devoted his jobless day to kill others without letting you any fun.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Boy_vs_Girl
derek gives the reasoning
and I'm done read. Enjoy your (you)

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Flameblow
Oh, so you're a whiney youtuber or something?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Boy_vs_Girl
nigger

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@StrangeWizard
In truth, the only smart money is on SQ42. If only Chris knew that..

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Evil_kitten
Irony was it used to be that sq42 was the focus and the PU was something extra to be added on later and to a degree made possible to sq42's success. But then the money started rolling in and it all got confused somewhere along the way.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evil_kitten
Single player games have low shelf life and are considered a bad investment in this day and age.

5mileys
5mileys

@Boy_vs_Girl

Very dubious about anything that man posts, with such a vested intrest in CRs failure I'm sure hes fudged the numbers/counted outliers as medium

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Deadlyinx
But taking money for products you can't deliver isn't sustainable. In another few years they will have solvency issues whilst defending against court claims.

The function of kickstarter is in part to allow for games that are seen as bad investments by larger developers.

idontknow
idontknow

90 days tops, amirite?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Evil_kitten
I disagree
SQ42 would not (at least not the first one) be a sandbox universe where you can choose your path (what Freelancer was supposed to be)

SQ42 is good money because it's a long (hopefully not just in cutscene) singleplayer campaign with more feature than other game care for.
But SQ42 use the technology developed by SC for multiplayer and as we pilot bigger ship all the way up to the Bengal carrier in SQ42 you would have players asking for coop or Arena Commander battle involving all those player anyway.

Players who wanted Freelancer 2.0 all wanted a better multiplayer too.

5mileys
5mileys

E L E
S O O N

farquit
farquit

@Garbage Can Lid
ME
just to be clear, I know the first SQ42 'episode' is not a sandbox. It's why I also want SC as it is.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@5mileys
Yeah I agree. But you don't have to be derek to realize that it's not gonna work. Some numbskull asked me for proof.

What's the last game you played that had a 1000 player server cap? How was the fidelity? Just look at Star Marine and decide if you think Star Citizen will be the one to beat the odds.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Evil_kitten
I wonder how many copies SQ42 would sell if it came out and wasn't awful. As in, how much new money would it bring in from people who don't already have it as part of their package.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Garbage Can Lid
you would have players asking

What players ask for can't be the deciding factor. Star Citizen makes larger claims than coop or arena.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Poker_Star
no, I thought I would include SC content because it would be fun and I would meet cool people.
SC is and always has been busted shit. It's hard to record, the framerate is shit, and trying to record on the same comp you play on is just asking for the game to crash.
SC is objectively not fun after a few times through the ICC missions. Racing is ok, but no one does it, so it's all 1v1 versus korean tier autists.
The community is fucking awful. So much sanctimony and snobbish attitude to anyone not "in the know". Between the sub reddit and its fuck awful QA thread that makes no sense and spectrum with its relentless hugboxing and virtue signalling, this is the closest thing to a discussion forum, and this place is a shit heap of theorycrafting and self affirmation 90% of the time.
the technical shit early on made me not want to make videos anymore, CIG and the community reinforce that affirmation and make sure I never will make CIG based content, if I ever am interested in YT again.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@CouchChiller
Did you meet Dan Gheesling?

Techpill
Techpill

@CouchChiller
Welp, I can't argue with any of that. 100% Agree.
All there is to do is to wait patiently until it becomes something worth playing for longer than an arenacom stint.

Methshot
Methshot

@Deadlyinx
just cause 2,planetside...

Evilember
Evilember

@Deadlyinx
"1000 player instances" is clearly going to one of those "trees growing in real time!" quotes ethernally scolding CR. I'll be begrudgingly content with 64 players meshed/bubblebath instances, 128 would make me smile. More then that? Fingers crossed.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Methshot
muh fidelity

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Sir_Gallonhead

Read "Death of a spaceman" on the RSI blog. SC players post charecter creation get a choice of playing through S42 with their char' (if they brought it) for added bonuses like a discarge bounty or some equipment or somthing (so probebly quite a few!)

cum2soon
cum2soon

Thread certainly came alive suddenly.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@VisualMaster
no, like I said I was a "never been" as in only mentioned that I made a video that was literally me just playing VS, poorly. never even a nobody enough to meet Dan or anyone less than that. I made zero connections with anyone, but made enough mention myself to be a "creator" to CIG.
I could publish the source code and play 3.1 right now and no one would ever see it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@CouchChiller

Speaking of the community, I imagine a mountain of salt in the future where the "old" community gets to eat piles of shit morning, noon and night when actual players who see gameplay and play games instead of arr pee come along and curb stomp them and basically outbest them at everything but autism.
There's really absolutely nothing to get invested in until the game is finished, the difference will straight up be virgin vs. chad level.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Booteefool
that's why I'm refunding. the game is cool for what it is. the devs and community are fucking awful.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Garbage Can Lid
LMAO good riddance

takes2long
takes2long

fishing hard for those (you)s I see

SniperWish
SniperWish

@happy_sad

Hmm, so Derek just want to be a cult leader? Makes sense- unable to take critisism thus hes obvlously highly insecure about his abilities

eGremlin
eGremlin

@LuckyDusty
SC has a larger pop than the state of nebraska
Get fucked cornhuskers!

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fuzzy_Logic
I'm not leaving you fucking tard. I'm cashing out my whale status. CIG lost my respect and my funds, but I'll get another account and buy just a starter. I backed above the starter pack because I believed in what they said. I'm refunding because what CIG actually did instead. Still a cool game, Ill just spend the SC funds on other meaningless shit that doesn't tell lies when they don't have to, I don't even need or care about the money.

Bidwell
Bidwell

>>195605249
fun fact: ohio is a completely independent and seperate state from nebraska

idontknow
idontknow

Buy the mustang starter with S42. Then melt it, buy the Aur' LN (a solid allround starter w/open utility slot) for $5.

Seems like a solid plan, its only gonna go up in price come 3.0 anyways...

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Playboyize
you better get used to the awful devs and community then cuck

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@JunkTop
awful devs and community
that's. why. I'm. refunding. retard.
there are plenty of other people to spends stupid money on a dev that lies to them and community that is one huge circle jerk of sunk cost fallacies.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TreeEater
predicting the creep
and I predict Trump will win in 2016. Creep is already happening, tardo.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@LuckyDusty
@BlogWobbles
@eGremlin
2 million
If I'm not mistaken, that number is how many RSI accounts there are, not how many people bought and kept at least a starter package.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@happy_sad
Lol the goonfurs in a nutshell.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Stupidasole
you think I would just leave for this place to be a hugbox too? my new favorite hobby is harassing cultist so you have no peace here.

I will always be here to REMIND you.

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
You want to refund only because of the community, not the game?
I never heard that one.

@SniperWish
He already have the cult going, the goons keep chanting his mantra no matter how false they have been demonstrated, they don't listen to reason, they don't do it for any reason. Some of them spent days and days criticizing SC despite having no motive in its failure or success.
They fit more the term cultist that anybody else.

Methshot
Methshot

@cum2soon
r/dereksmart just got shut down, and they all know they're not welcome on r/sc

enjoy your reddit refugees

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@WebTool
Fucking shit, the absolute reading level of this board.
CIG and their shitty anti backer practices are the main reason, the community is a major contributing factor.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@PurpleCharger
refunding
Reminder that CIG only refund your donation for good PR or if it's from before the new TOS, they don't have to now.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methshot
I meant in the last 15 mins or so (of when I made that post). Not the past day. Nice try though.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Spazyfool
Reminder that CIG only refund your donation for good PR
I'll be disappointed if they don't put up some kind of fight once they add my jpegs up, but this is about all the lies about 3.0 from last year through this year, the nda where CIG chooses some backers to be part of development and shuts the rest out for no reason, the repeated correlation of bad news to the end of ship sales, and feature creep and refactors for shit no one asked for or was complaining about.
@Stupidasole
you're a fan. you made a meme about me you rascal.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Stupidasole
noice

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Help me choose plas =<

happy_sad
happy_sad

@TreeEater
4 eclipses
no idris to carry them
nice meme

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Wew

5mileys
5mileys

@GoogleCat
More like OwO

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BinaryMan
@TreeEater
Why did you give them thousands of dollars?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BinaryMan
I suggest you choose the option of not posting your images in every thread

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@BinaryMan
You need atleast 20 single seat fighters.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@GoogleCat
From the lore the X'ian are what they are because they AREN'T the most dangerous predator of their planet.
So one of those is either xenomorph-dangerous or they mean that the entire planet is like Australia with bigger dragon.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@BinaryMan
The only correct choice.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@happy_sad
They don't fit in the Idris(?)

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TreeEater
Change one of the bmms to a hull d or a carrack I guess?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Avenger series: Moved location of ejection button so the interaction is less likely to be triggered accidentally
holy shit does this mean the cockpits actually do things snow

will I be able to enter my avenger through the cockpit? it's finally happening bros

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PackManBrainlure
proofs?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Evil_kitten
Only true followers of BogDans have autism!

TechHater
TechHater

@Illusionz
Yes. Although the avenger's eject button kinda of sucks because it's just a random button on the panel rather than a proper pull cord like the Sabre or gladius have.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@CodeBuns

I'm pretty certain what the situation was you had basically lions that can fly, and for the entire evolutionary history of the Xi'an, being able to use tools and climb anywhere wasn't going to help you for shit when your hunters can move freely anywhere.
Keep in mind their evolution basically would have locked in long before they got the population and society to corral and hunt nests/dens of the apex predators. It doesn't matter they swiftly got to the point they can put them all in captivity or hunt them fairly easily, their diets and physiques were effectively finished at that point.

Like comparing hunting lions in the savannah with nothing but rocks and trees to hide in versus fire breathing dragons.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@BlogWobbles
Nah my 30 buds got that covered =3

TreeEater
TreeEater

@eGremlin
that doesn't say anything about the idris

Lunatick
Lunatick

@eGremlin
The Idris can fit a fucking vanguard, I'd think it could fit an eclipse unless cig did something unbelievably stupid.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TechHater

What ships have an ejection seat?

Also- are certain types of T1 ship guns restricted to certain slots on starter ships? Or can I use a T1 gatling/laser mis-matched stagger combo

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Lunatick
The Idris can fit a fucking vanguard
[doubt]

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Emberfire
The whole point of the vanguard hoplite is that they needed a drop ship that could fit in an Idris for SQ42

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Boy_vs_Girl
As far as I can remember, the hornet Sabre, gladius, avenger have them. I can't recall if the gladiator does or not and I'm positive the m50 and 300i *used* to, but don't seem to have an eject seat any more.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Crazy_Nice
They never said it had to fit an Idris. The Javelin is in S42 as well. The Idris hangar is probably not tall enough.

Inmate
Inmate

@TreeEater
javelin
snug fit
3x size of idris
do the math user

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure

Fuck, why don't the Mustangs, Cutlass or Buccaneer have them. Infact any craft with that kind of cockpit should... CIG are adding more right? Or at least the option to modifiy a seat in

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Boy_vs_Girl
Also- are certain types of T1 ship guns restricted to certain slots on starter ships?
Generally, no.
can I use a T1 gatling/laser mis-matched stagger combo
You can but the projectile speed probably won't match so you'll have unaligned lead pips making it "problematic" to shoot things. If/when CIG comes out with more weapon variety that will probably reduce or even eliminate that difficulty

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Crazy_Nice
The whole point of the vanguard hoplite is that they needed a drop ship that could fit in an Idris for SQ42
demonstrate evidence

@SniperGod
Bucc was literally designed to not have an eject seat

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Inmate
idris has a bigger hangar newfag

likme
likme

@Harmless_Venom
idris has a bigger hangar
orly? based on what?
newfag
if you are actually gonna try and insult me you might want try using something that actually applies to the situtation

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@SniperGod
The mustang doesn't have one "because it's a starter" according to to CIG. The Cutlass was going to have one, and even had it listed in the old holo viewer, but then cig started some insane new bullshit about drake ships not having ejection seats or life pods with the buccaneer... mostly because they decided they were too lazy to add the mechanic to any new ship thats not going to be a sq42 fighter.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Deadlyinx

Darm- really gives the whole permadeath thing new meaning, considering most ships are now deathwagons from what your saying.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
Long live the samurai!
Honour for famuri!!

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Raving_Cute
REAL SOCIALISM GOY!

Methshot
Methshot

Alien Mercenaries when!?

(probebly shouldent give CR any ideas- might creep 3.0 till next halloween)

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TurtleCat
most ships are now deathwagons
no

Skullbone
Skullbone

@StonedTime
I don't like the hull series, cargo is exposed as fuck and I don't intend to haul shit in UEE pleb spess only, besides those BMMs are the 250 dollar ones so I get a whopping 100 FREE store credit when upgrading something >=3

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid

Yes. All starters, all drake, most Misc. Thus most ships are icoffins+

MPmaster
MPmaster

@GoogleCat
That's an interesting point of view, but unless their flying lion also live in every climate and reproduce like crazy, the Xian species wouldn't have had more trouble avoiding them than human and would eventually eradicate the species just like we did with wolves (they can climb to trees btw).
So I'm hoping for their planet to be more of an australia deathworld with 90% of the species being deadly more than just having one or two super-predators.
I'm surprised they didn't add that they were herbivore as well.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Methshot
da faq is that from??

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@King_Martha

Your not the first person to ask that strangely enough. I have no idea, 'Mole men' apparently. But they do look siiick, defiantly gonna see if I can replicate that look for night-time outpost raiding

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Methshot
[citation needed]

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@MPmaster
Their planet is described as "tropical." I imagine the poles are more of an extreme but it seems like the majority of their planet is mainly one climate.

WebTool
WebTool

@King_Martha
french special forces

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Firespawn
I want a gladius

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Harmless_Venom
me too buy she's not very useful for playing 3.0

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@RavySnake
I still want one. My favorite fighter design in the game hands down. Only four more invites to go

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Will there be a reset of the PU on launch or will 3.0 be the begin of the persistence?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Ignoramus

Pretty sure 3.0 is using aUEC since we haven't had any use for it really at the moment, maybe around 4.0 there'll be a final reset.
Think there'll be a reset every major update till then.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Whats the point? ... Poor mans 600.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Spamalot
more agile, better armed, probably faster.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PurpleCharger
more agile,faster
understandable since she's half the size of a 600i
better armed
lol

Inmate
Inmate

@MPmaster
better armed
lol
It trades a s5 gun and a manned turret for 2 remote turrets. Seems pretty comparable to me. Not to mention all the extra cargo capacity.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@MPmaster
600i has 3xs5 slots, which on a ship that size means 3xGimbaledS4, and a pairs of 2xS2 turrets. 600i carries 16x S3 missiles

Phoenix has 4xGimballedS4 and the same pairs of 2xS2 turrets Phoenix carries smaller missiles but many more of them, originally it carried the same missiles load as the Andromeda, listed as 24xS2 and 28xS1.

Phoenix is better armed. Also the 600 is a MUCH larger target. The Phoenix is the better combat ship, also its a somewhat lower profile, a constellation of any sort wont draw as much attention as a 600i, which just screams "rich douchebag here please rob me". A constellation at a glance might be a taurus hauling organic waste or and andromeda loaded down with pain
or an aquila with nothing of particular value on board. A 600i will always at least have some rich shitbird on board worth some ransom money.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Illusionz
Crhsi woberts is retarded, but not as retarded as the guy who can't make what he is employed to make

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Spamalot
@PurpleCharger
@MPmaster
More agile and more solidly built is all we can give it because they say the i600 is faster and sacrifice hull for shield.
They'll probably rebalance everything anyway.
Maybe it will be a poor man i600 but not having to pay as much to do touring is still a plus.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Deadlyinx
Just because it hasn't been done before, that means it can't be done.

This has been humanity's manta for thousands of years, but look at how much we've advanced since then. This game has a few things going for it that give the devs a much greater chance of achieving this:

1. They are not adhering to the idea that they should tone down the graphical fidelity so more people have ability to run the game.
2. A near unlimited source of money for the next few years at least.
3. They're not beholden to any publishers/shareholders that could care less about innovation and just want to push the game out by a certain deadline, ready or not.
4. The Frankfurt office is full of staff that built Cryengine, including a few key people that were the brain behind a few of the innovations this game has already accomplished such as Marco Corbetta, Carsten Wenzel and Christopher Raine. You also have people like Tony Zurovec in Austin and Sean Tracy in Los Angeles.
5. Probably the most important. A boss like Chris Roberts who is perfectionist and autistic enough to do whatever it takes to see his dream project become a reality. Sure he has some....negative qualities, but if it was anyone else but him we wouldn't be getting the same game at this level of detail, size and scale. Most bosses would've told employees to cut their losses in certain areas a while ago.

Note: I'm not actually saying whether this game will be enjoyable or "good" or not, I'm just speaking about technological innovation and pushing the gaming industry forward with a substantially more complex game.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

mantra*

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Gigastrength
The 600i has the same shield slots as a Constellation.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Sharpcharm
The Jump point about it claim "stronger dual shield" whatever that really mean. But yes, maybe it does sacrifice survivability for bling.
I have nothing against that by the way.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Fuzzy_Logic
of course you wouldn't, you're a cultist, everything CIG does is ok, maybe even great when you think about it all little.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Soft_member
did i pass?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@whereismyname
Here's your 'reward'

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PurpleCharger
@Inmate
@MPmaster
don't forget about the snub fighter too

SniperWish
SniperWish

*Glomps u* o3o

5mileys
5mileys

@SniperWish
L-lewd *///*

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BunnyJinx
CIG is never going down at this rate

cum2soon
cum2soon

I miss him

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@cum2soon
those were good
what ever happened to him?
did he go with rob and wingman?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@cum2soon
Gotta admit though since a lot of the founders have left in 2014 CIG got more corporate.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Garbage Can Lid
Didn't turn out well for a lot of the founders that left either.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@iluvmen
yes he did claim that, as well as accusing Sandi of extreme racism. CIG never acknowledged the allegations but they had a random black employee suddenly popping in in AtV for the next couple weeks for no real reason, it was quite amusing.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@StonedTime
What ever happened with descent? I imagine nothing good since I don't recall hearing about reviews for it.

farquit
farquit

@CodeBuns
From the lore the X'ian are what they are because they AREN'T the most dangerous predator of their planet.
got any links that elaborate on this? sounds like some entertaining scifi subversion in the vein of HFY

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLO0VUW2JuA

5 hours

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Firespawn
Can we turn off our gravity gens and turn on the shower to create visual clutter for concealment and to reduce the effectiveness of laser weapons?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Raving_Cute
its just footage from the convention floor, what's the big deal?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Booteefool
Turn on the shower
Each drop of water is individually rendered with its own physics
Causes massive lag spike across the server
Game gets patched to fix the issue
Now only one shower may be activated at any given time

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Garbage Can Lid
Corporate is one way to put it, but I wouldn't say that it's a bad thing. I think that there is a difference in the management structure you need when you have $10 million in funding, and $100+ million in funding. CIG realized that if they were going to make a game they would have to really up the ante and be smart with their money. Coutts is a good example of that, as they would never ever ever do business with CIG unless they had viability studies to prove worth, and a standard corporate structure.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Nojokur
Suckling at the teat of CRoberts

Methshot
Methshot

@Lord_Tryzalot
CIG realized that if they were going to make a game they would have to really up the ante and be smart with their money.
Yeah, that illfonic investment sure paid off did't it?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Methshot
Are you seriously not realizing that part of his implication was that CIG cut Illfonic once they started to get real game development dollars?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Fried_Sushi
They ended up working for free for a couple of months and got bought by a publisher and are trying to salvage what they can with a single player campaign.
They also delisted themselves from Steam apparently.
Now working on a console version as well.
https://www.brightlocker.com/games/descent-underground/updates

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@GoogleCat
The same people who threw away all of illphonic's work with no redemption are the one's he said needed to be "smart with money". Starting off by throwing away a bunch of backer money isn't leading with your best foot. Then we have $15k main office custom grocery doors, and an entire video production team that can't make the only weekly show people care about happen on time.
CIG is the poster child of how not to organize a global company.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BinaryMan
CIG is the poster child of how not to organize a global company.
Come on now, there are way more fucked up examples out there than CIG.
Illphonic's situation seemed to be more end of contract issues to be honest, they were hired to do X by Y date and probably had a clause for some sort of bonus once implemented into the game. Which would probably explain why they got them to work so cheaply in the beginning.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@viagrandad
there are way more fucked up examples
yeah, but that doesn't make CIG not fucked up. Even in the most recent AtV's Erin is having to remind people to think of time zones to keep offices from sitting around all day waiting on other offices. One of the highest ranking people at CIG is making low level reminders like that. This means all the middle management is completely neutered or ineffective because timing between offices is some low level shit that should ingrained in the work patterns of each office. Not only do they not realize this, they don't even have the self awareness to cut something embarrassing like that because it adds nothing to the burndown segment.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BinaryMan
an entire video production team that can't make the only weekly show people care about happen on time.
ATV and all the other webshows and jump point are paid for with subscription money. It's literally and specifically what the subscribers pay for.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@StonedTime
without accounting to prove that only sub money was spent, I consider that an empty claim. Also, how shitty is it that the highest per dollar spenders with CIG get their video whenever the hell CIG feels like finishing it? The total lack of engagement for the subs is the canary in the coalmine for this project. We are passive observers only, any notion that this development is open or backers, in majority, are participating in or contributing to the development of the game in any way, is simply not supported by the weekly output from CIG.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

So, CIG claims that SC has already gone double platinum in sales, but people's opinion on 3.0, if it were shown in its current state, will somehow adversely influence the project.
Over 2,000,000 people said yes, how many magazines and blogs would have to say no at this point?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TalkBomber
I feel like your issue here is that your contribution doesn't give you creative control of the entire project. I feel if you gave money for that purpose you were hopelessly mistaken about the entire idea. They weren't about to replace Publishing House overlords and their towing the line to shareholders by cutting the middle man and dealing with the flights of fancy of the general public, equivalent to or worse than shareholders.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Soft_member
I feel like your issue here is that your contribution doesn't give you creative control of the entire project
Nothing of the sort, and I would add that this particular mischaracterization is what blocks meaningful discussion about the point because every time people keep pointing to access as desire to control, and that simply isn't true.

SC was sold on the promise that you would get to see the development as it happened. We trusted CR right out of the gate to make the game he wanted. This was never about trying to get CR to make something he didn't want. My complaint is that not only has CIG closed the window to development, they now mischaracterize how far the project is and warp what they share to fit their sales schedule and the focus is no longer on showing the backers what they are doing, but generating hype for the next sale and shoveling shit out into AtV during periods of low hype.

I just want to SEE the game. I don't give a fuck about Smart, magazines, blogs, other backers, random assholes, or anyone else's opinion. I wanted to see the game when it was bad and see them fix it and make it better and polish it into a final game, or in other words the actual development of the game. CIG has cut backers out of exactly what I backed to see.

Methshot
Methshot

1 year and a half after announcing 3.0 and still no 3.0. Just checking.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@New_Cliche
It only blocks meaningful discussion if we let it. I still think Star Citizen has been, and continues to be, at an unprecedented level of transparency far and away above anything we've seen elsewhere, but that's as someone who keeps a close eye on almost everything CIG puts out. I, like you, am somewhat baffled about the NDA of the Evocati Test Flight. It seems entirely unnecessary from where I'm sitting.

We're still getting a hell of a lot of information about what's going on behind the scenes, though, and I'd like a lot more shows like Bugsmashers. Maybe even individual studios reporting what they're up to directly instead of going through ATV.

CIG seems very hesitant about putting out anything that could be used by the gaming "media" to stoke the fires of schadenfreude... Frankly, I understand their concern, but don't share it.

We're still getting to see a lot of shit that absolutely wouldn't be put out there on any other project. Things like the complete redevelopment of assets and attempts to hugely shift balance and gameplay options are things that would be utterly hidden from the layman in normal development. We're still getting to see most of them first hand, with the exception of the stuff the Evocati get to see, which we agree on as being a bad move.

I suppose bottom line I don't share your pessimism about the way Star Citizen's going, though I do understand the disillusionment.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Gigastrength
@Sharpcharm
@Fuzzy_Logic
Why do you guys even care about the armament and shielding of a luxury ship? Battle should be the last thing on your mind, and I highly doubt you'd have any reason to fight with it, assuming you aren't retarded. It's an old, old statement from CR, but the entire purpose of large luxury ships like that were originally to host some sort of shitty NPC bachelor parties and get some kind of missions from the NPCs that get aboard. That was years ago. There hasn't been word on what the actual purpose of the larger luxury ships will be, but I would assume combat wouldn't even be a consideration for it.

TechHater
TechHater

@Methshot
true.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Garbage Can Lid
Continues to be
And it will forever be. Other developers constantly see the shit this one has gotten, and they will not want to receive the same thing.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Need_TLC
I find it somewhat amusing that the 600i is a ship that was first introduced, and later followed up on, as a ship that someone who disappeared and was later found dead has flown. We've actually had multiple lore articles about a 600i disappearing and being found as scrap soon after. It's like people forget that the best option in most combat situations is to as quickly as possible get out of combat.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Garbage Can Lid
I don't agree that SC can be judged against other projects like you suggest. No one forced CIG to do what they did as far as claiming to be open and sharing what they share. CIG painted themselves in a corner and were too chicken shit to follow through with the last hard bit of being open and sharing bad news in a way that shows what the studio learned and how that failure shaped future strategy.

If CIG had just been honest about when they learned GH wasn't going to work and they were going to scrap it and start over, they would not have set the precedent of hiding bad news until the outrage forced their hand. Don't forget how bad things were before the schedule. It was outrage that made that happen. CIG is reacting instead of being proactive and it is biting them hard.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@ZeroReborn
I still think you're being too pessimistic about their actual development direction. That said, I can't argue that their community outreach team's defensiveness in the face of criticism hasn't been all around bad for their public image. Still, while Ben crams cheese-its down his swollen neckhole and Sandi continues to stare blankly and dead-eyed into the camera, I don't think we'll get any better from them. Erin and the development team really didn't need a marketing department speaking for them, they're very capable of drumming up excitement on their own, as they do every time they're given a chance. I had a bad feeling the moment they hired Bandit Fucking Loaf, and considering his work load has drastically decreased, I think they realized what a bad idea it was, too.

I really wish they'd just let the departments put out their own community outreach content instead of trying to unify it on the public front through their rather poorly slapped together show. At least we have the DevTracker on the site to keep track of what developers in their free time are talking about. In fact, I'd encourage you to pay close attention to what's happening on the DevTracker at all times, it's a lot more candid than what you're getting through Sandi.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Emberfire
DevTracker
That frankly doesn't interest me without gameplay context to go with it. Hoping for a little morsel to fall out in between when major releases are made public is exactly what I did not want.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Hey, I'm an MMOFPS fag here. Will this game suit my fetish for large scale battles?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@AwesomeTucker
It isn't impossible. Come back in a year or two.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@AwesomeTucker
maybe someday, if their inlel partnership is more than just product pushing, maybe intel is developing a server CPU/mobo setup that can handle 500 players
lol, i can dream though

TechHater
TechHater

@Need_TLC
If I remember correctly they have an FPS, Squadron (something), yes? If so then will they ever expand the number of players allowed to fight?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TechHater
They're experiementing with 60 players at the moment I think.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Sharpcharm
Ah, okay thanks.

One more question, will things like Space dragons be a thing? A little to fantasy for this game, I know. But technically...A giant plasma breathing lizard with wings could be possible in the wide wide universe.

Inmate
Inmate

do tasks block 3.0 release to PTU or public?

idontknow
idontknow

@VisualMaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiPWcsZfLRw

This should answer your question.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@VisualMaster
@idontknow
If only we can experience this, just once, in the game...
https://youtu.be/GOmwtAXVI00?t=40

girlDog
girlDog

@idontknow
Jesus....An hour? Okay.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@girlDog
tl;dr they basically make a multiple hundred meter long space whale, and while it isn't explicitly in the game, you can be safe in assuming it will end up in the game somehow. They're going all in with flora and fauna.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Firespawn
I haven't payed much attention to this thread since August, and when I last heard SC was delayed until September. Judging from the OP, I guess it's still Coming Soon (TM).

How's ED? Last I heard, it was still just space truckin along.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Supergrass
Does this mean pic related can finally be more than just an underrated mobile game?

massdebater
massdebater

wtf do people literally want space whales and dragons and gay retarded shit like that

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@massdebater
So that i can become space captain Ahab and get into the fight of my life with some giant whale in the clouds of a gas giant

Lunatick
Lunatick

@VisualMaster
tfw you revealed who you are

hairygrape
hairygrape

Is it possible to hook a streaming site up to the game? If they're going all out than space porn is the way to go.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Ignoramus
I want to jam my size 6 torpedo into the space whale and make it sing to me.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Inmate
funny how they aren't clear about that isn't it? no way of knowing. the language changes every few weeks to keep everyone guessing.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@DeathDog
this is making me increasingly irate by the day.
I have to wonder if CIG realizes they are burning goodwill to fuel the charade.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Soft_member
burning goodwill
Apparently not enough to get their attention.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@PurpleCharger
because they insulate themselves inside the bubble of places they control and act like because everyone is happy in the area they don't allow unhappiness in everything is ok.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Soft_member
burning goodwill
They can delay 3.0 another year and their rabid fanbase will eat it up. I swear to god, if everything so far couldn't make a dent in the fanbase perception of CIG on places like plebbit or RSI, than nothing will.

Sq42 "almost ready" last year
literally no word on it at all, removed from convention, replaced with JPEG ad (polaris).
3.0 "almost ready" last year
only a few weeks away at most guys!
a full year passes, hundreds of bugs and """"""tasks"""""" remaining, and it's mid-November
they still haven't even gotten to the next phase of testing
all 3.0 content locked behind NDA for no reason
Pioneer feature creep JPEG announced
makes them millions of dollars
Procgen city tech demo
no word on roadmap for future releases
no word on careers like cargo, mining, anything valuable at all

I have realized that almost nothing will shake their playerbase. Chris can literally go on twitter right now and say 3.0 is being delayed another 6 months, and those fucking niggerautists on ribbit will just say
"Willing to wait for the BDSSE!"
"They're being open about the expectation - that's what I paid for!"
"It's not like we don't have other games to pass the time."
"So what if it takes time? You just don't understand game development."

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Supergrass
I feel like we need to go full "angry french farmer" and dump a literal load of bullshit on their parking lots in order to get their attention about how sick of this shit we are.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RumChicken
You make it sound like a joke, but if the past 2 years is any indication, the only (ONLY) thing that will make their fanbase get up in arms is if they shut down all of their studios and enter radio silence. Anything short of that can be explained away as not understanding development, or being an impatient child.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@SniperWish
Anything short of that can be explained away as not understanding development, or being an impatient child
Heh, it sounds like Elite's community...

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BlogWobbles
fucking brits with their fucking quiet desperation.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Garbage Can Lid
I think it's just dads in general. It doesn't help that scifi is always popular with apologists. I blame star trek.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Harmless_Venom
I blame star trek.
the star trek VR game is actually good though.
it's not a sci-fi thing, it's the british mentality that if they ignore their problems long enough, it will just sort of work itself out, when that rarely ever happens and things always get to a crisis level where extraordinary measures are required. frontier and cig are both annoyingly british through and through.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Firespawn
The game industry also went to shit. I just wish CIG would stop adding new features and implement them later. They're making an mmo but don't seem to realize that not everything has to be in at release. It feels like they care more about PR than making the game. Time to go into cryosleep for another year.

askme
askme

@Emberfire
I had a bad feeling the moment they hired Bandit Fucking Loaf, and considering his work load has drastically decreased, I think they realized what a bad idea it was, too.

They had to, in any case, due to his extensive health problems. I seriously doubt he will even survive to the release.

Inmate
Inmate

@Supergrass
Little Orbit

These are the guys who bought the Unsung Story, right? Seems they are in business of buying out failed kickstarter projects and remaking them into actual games now.

FastChef
FastChef

@Inmate
Barbie games
shit movie games
more barbie games

Evilember
Evilember

@FastChef
As far as I know, the devs have gotten tired of making that shit and wanted to make actual games, and this is their chance to shine.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Evilember
Descent now introducing barbie bobble heads for your cockpits!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@FastChef
All fronts for his nefarious enterprises

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Boy_vs_Girl
The airlock blow or something?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@VisualMaster
actually I just noticed it says blood loss, so I think he just bugged through the geometry. from the buggy gamescom limited showfloor build.

girlDog
girlDog

@farquit
https://youtu.be/zQLaMlg1ICY?t=488
"Not the top of the food chain" and so on.
Explaining along the way that they were scavenger and not hunter.

idontknow
idontknow

@Need_TLC
You'll want to know if you can defend from pirate and at what point you have to flee
And you'll want to know where you can do you missions.
It's easy to imagine some riches idiots who want to do a safari on a deathworld or spend holidays on the frontline of whatever.
Then there may be assassination attempt.
I don't care myself about space-yacht being fragile and underarmed. I only care about the comparison with other ship that should be better.

Also we have nothing to do here but discuss scrap info we got here and here.

TechHater
TechHater

@VisualMaster
@JunkTop

If you watch the stream he was shot and killed be a stowaway

hairygrape
hairygrape

where to get cracked voiceattack

Emberburn
Emberburn

@idontknow
Pitchfork is going to be a hilarious failure.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TechHater
What is sq42 even going to be about?
Tevarin are ded.
Xi'an are at peace and just sitting in their territory.
Banu seem to have little to no desire for territory and just wanna trade shit.
That leaves the obvious possibility for the vanduul. However, the whole game/epsidoe can't just be flying attack mission on vanduul raiders, that'd get boring fast.
Maybe UEE seperatists could be a thing?
Finally, I give it a 90% chance that there will be a Tevarin serving onboard our cruiser/destroyer/carrier/whatever and act as a new "Hobbes."

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberburn
I actually hope that not only will the entire Pitchfork "armada" get slaughtered without actually achieving anything (no planets taken back etc.) but also hope that the 'incursion' will cause the Vanduul to respond with a 'crusade' of theirs into UEE space that will result in Earth being sacked by the end of it all

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@BlogWobbles
It's just going to be the UEE vs. a couple of Vanduul chieftains(?) that happens to have the means to activate a Vanduul kingship which they'll most certainly use to sack a UEE system with
Although I seem to recall that the first part of the gayme will primarily be you on some 'almost decommissioned-tier' Frigate patrolling some border space to the Xi'an territory whilst ensuring the safety of a major mining facility that will probably be attacked by a larger pirate group at some point (at least the very few concept bits they've bothered to reveal to us suggests that there will be a genuine pirate threat at some point in SQ42 Chapter 1)

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RavySnake
Unironically wants the world to burn
Cute anime girl wearing MAGA hat

So this is Veeky Forums.

Methshot
Methshot

@BlogWobbles
I reckon about 80% of it will be devoted to fighting the Vanduul with the rest divided between piracy incursions, the other races and inevitable traitors among the UEE. Maybe even a coup, when you settle stuff with Bishop.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Harmless_Venom
Kr'Thak are the ancient enemies of the Xi'an who we know practically nothing about.

Kn'thrak are from Wing Commander. Know as the Nephilim by humans, they are the prophesized "end of days" invaders in Kilrathi mythology. They are several meters tall insectoid creatures from another plane and/or at least a long ways away. They show up and start ripping everyone a new asshole.

Chances that we'll see something similiar eventually in SC? The words and some of the broader points are just too similiar.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Fuzzy_Logic
Oops, sorry dude. @Harmless_Venom

Didn't me to link you.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Emberfire
I hope Trumpy, Putin and Duterte will take some photos together someday =3

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Emberfire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I just want something to feel good about.
It has been so long.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Emberfire
so this is reddit

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Emberburn
Pitchfork was already going to be a failure when they started pushing for doing it on the live servers instead of before the final beta wipe.
If you do it before a wipe you'd have near 100% attendance because no one cares if their precious 890 Jump or 2.5k Polaris get trashed completely they'll have a nice new shiny one waiting for them when the game goes live.
After a wipe you'll get people turning up in starter ships and a couple of Orgs bringing spare capital ships and it'll just be a mess because the majority will opt out of attending because they don't want to lose their ships.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@w8t4u
I find it humorous since the intial idea was just a banzai charge against the vanduul for shits and giggles. It was never intended to really accomplish anything (more than just perhaps being symbolic) as everyone involved knew CIG wouldn't let the playerbase just wipe out/serverely cripple the only threat on day one.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Gigastrength
Go house a nigger/muzzy rat then

WebTool
WebTool

@w8t4u
@BlogWobbles
There would be no point doing that rush outside of the Live server. It's basically driven as a dare to CIG about how strong it will really be if a larger than normal group go there and kill stuff. At this point I suspect CIG would try to make it into a scripted special event.
I'm split between following them and scavenging stuff from downed ship or just not caring and profiting from the idiot being away of the start area.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@WebTool
There would be no point doing that rush outside of the Live server.
Why do you think that?
It's basically driven as a dare to CIG about how strong it will really be if a larger than normal group go there and kill stuff.
That's aprt of it, I'm sure but I wouldn't say that's the full extent of it.
At this point I suspect CIG would try to make it into a scripted special event.
This seems likely.
being away of the start area.
Why does it seem lately that people think that everyone is going to start in a "starting area?" Times were it was planned that you'd be allowed to start all over UEE space. Has something changed that I missed? The very idea of having a "newbie zone" in a game like SC seems idiotic as fuck.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@w8t4u
There was no promise that the beta will have vanduul systems.Maybe will always be stuck in Stanton till Live.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

how do i hack RSi so i can look at wingman's old office?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Evil_kitten
Not a starting area as in low level zone but that's what we call your first spawn.Also backers have the choice to spawn in a different system.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@viagrandad
That makes no mention of spawning there. In fact it explicits discussing traveling there. Also, as a back from the very beginning, what a completely stupid as fuck thing to have. The million mile high club was already stupid enough without having a whole system blocked off from new(er) players.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Carnalpleasure
go reeeeeeeeeee somewhere else

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
No reeee. Just my opnions.
Why does that upset you?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@GoogleCat
not upset that's genuinely what i see on my screen

cum2soon
cum2soon

nice job editing source
only took you 10 mins
your connection isn't secire

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@cum2soon
not him but i see the same post too
the guy is clearly reeing

viagrandad
viagrandad

@happy_sad

I LOL'd at your other tabs, that is masterful

Inmate
Inmate

@happy_sad
morrowind co-op mod
wait? what?!

likme
likme

@Inmate
https://openmw.org/2017/openmw-multiplayer-here/

Methnerd
Methnerd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8En045qp2GU

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methnerd
god's work

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Methnerd
sure does look like its a lot of unfun work they are doing between all the horsing around and laughter
must be really hard to be a member of ETF

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Evil_kitten
Why do you think that?
There would be no point going in like a suicide mission without caring to come back or loose your backer ship. No point going in just to know if the Vanduul rank against shit unprepared ship and find out ahead of time about their weakness.
Players wouldn't be worried about retreating, players would not support each other, repair/refuel each others. Or get utterly annihilated while enraging the Vanduul who then (script) destroy a system for revenge.
That's definitely what I imagine CIG would enforce, they'll want Vanduul to be seen as a threat no matter how many players you have if you aren't properly equipped and organized. The last thing they want is for youtube video to popup "How to kill a Kingship with 2 bombers and a Caterpillar"

Why does it seem lately that people think that everyone is going to start in a "starting area?"
You'll probably have a choice, but it only increase spread sightly the players (unless they literally spread you over procedurally generated outpost).
But even if they do that it will have to be somewhat fair. They'll need a good PR even if the players starting in Javelin get hunted like whales.
CIG will have a really hard time shaking off the Pay2win images unless they make a gameplay that neuter (in a literal way) any hope of buying your popularity/superiority (and selling UEC -even capped- won't help.)

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Has Been lost weight?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Methnerd
evocati is hard work
you wouldn't like it
they can blow that out their ass, what a crock of shit.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
Not even going to reply. Your entire post is full of "My opinion is fact and should be taken as such despite me making no effort to back-up my points with anything besides more of my opinions."

Get it together, user.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Crazy_Nice
*Ben

SniperWish
SniperWish

@hairygrape
@hairygrape
samenigger

TechHater
TechHater

@SniperWish
no
try again

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TechHater
@TechHater
@TechHater
@TechHater
samenigger

Lunatick
Lunatick

@ZeroReborn
As you wish, I don't care about someone who can't read and act as if he was above others opinions.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

How do armistace zones work? Can you still draw and shoot inside them?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Nice E;D thread CMDRs.

Techpill
Techpill

So, no 3.0 outside of Avocado this year?

takes2long
takes2long

Quick question. They're going all out on the tech, yes? Will they somehow find a way to stream youtube or any other streaming site (pornhub) in-game?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@takes2long
no

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@GoogleCat
No, you auto holster your weapon and can not pull it out. Additionally, ship weapons simply don't work. This is 2.6.3, mind, I have no idea about 3.0.
As for the future, I think they plan to not have them. Its just a measure right now so there isn't a mass purge at the spawn points constantly.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Techpill
who knows

@takes2long
maybe. don't think that is really a priority to figure out right now
i know they have the reliant mako and have talked about implementing unique and inventive features connecting to reallife stuff

takes2long
takes2long

Imagine you are in the middle of a battlefield with your squad very outnumbered by the enemy players who are swarming at you. While you retreat and cover firing you see your numbers of 64 players diminishing to 10 numbers. While you try to hold your ground on a hill behind cover you scream for ammo while the player next to you is dying and needs to be healed So you draw your pistol and stand up and start shooting with all your teammates knowing your final hour is come.But out of nowhere bombers fly in bombing the players!! BOOM SPLASH You press H and then number 1 on your keyboard so you can do the cheer emote You see the aliens starting to retreat while drop ships with attached vehicles like those of halo, The warthog and scorpion type kind. And marines dropping out of the dropships. And you notice its your squad mates who had died are re-spawned back to join the battle. In joy the last squad of players are being hunted down by bombers while you chat up with your lost teammates asking where the hell they came from. Because if you die you respawn at your homeworld and that is a 30 minutes journey trough the wormhole. They tell a cruiser was near like 20 lightyears who intercepted the players spawn request and asked for help. A 5 man cruiser with 6 bombers docked, 8 dropships and 8 vehicles specialized in space to surface battles. But ooh no the cruiser is sending a SOS because its being attacked by the opposing destroyer fleet. While you look to the sky you see the cruiser falling down from the sky. Resupplied and back to full strength you ready yourself for a heavy fight as nightfall is falling down. Still stranded and no way home a SOS is broadcasted to your homeworld that takes 10 minutes to arrive and the time to take for players to respond. And the battle goes on and for what?? you might ask. For a rare resource that you and your team have mined from the foreign planet and stored in trucks that you are trying to protect. And the fight goes on
I-is it possible?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@takes2long
Isn't this the script of battlefront 2?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SomethingNew
Which Battlefront 2?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
This feels like Dust 514 all over again. A game that should be about the spaceships instead just using them as window dressing for an infantry based shooter.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@PackManBrainlure

dust 514 was a solid game its just that it was exclusive to a console that was at the end of its generation.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Carnalpleasure
blocked off

who said blocked off? it just says that backers get the coords. its not like you couldn't give them out to people.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@ZeroReborn
the new one

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@haveahappyday
Hmm, interesting point. However, the way it has been worded leads me to believe it will not be as easy as you speculate. I suppose we will have to wait (a long time) and find out.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@GoogleCat
However, the way it has been worded leads me to believe it will not be as easy as you speculate.

why? all it says is that backers are the only ones who get the coordinates, which we know we are able to share with people. does your headcanon not allow you to see that?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
Why are you attacking me? Are you that desperate to bump this thread?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
Then some chucklefuck comes out of nowhere and strafes your team with the nose gun of his Avenger, barrel rolls sideways and crashes into a rock outcropping he didn't see. A chunk of his ship touches your character causing him to physics glitch/ragdoll and the next thing you know you're stuck in the middle of the planet.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PackManBrainlure
kek

girlDog
girlDog

@takes2long

Now THIS is autism

SniperWish
SniperWish

@DeathDog
It probably has more to do with the fact that, as a milestone reward for people who had funded at that time, people expect some form of exclusivity to surround it. Also I recall something a while back about one of the milestone rewards, (maybe this one?), allowing backers to choose that location as their starting location or hangar location instead. Assuming that is correct, then my guess would be that backers would start with coordinates for the default location and this location, and yes they can sell them/give them away to anyone, but only backers will be able to start in the other zone.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

newest evocati patch
https://pastebin.com/FJK0RsqS

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
Good stuff, thanks for sharing

Still no listed bugs that can cause server instability, much less crashes. Actually, no instructions of any kind at all.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@FastChef
Still no listed bugs that can cause server instability
Can't spawn anything bigger than a freelancer or the game turns into a slideshow
hehe xd

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Bidwell
Care to point out where that is in the patch notes?

askme
askme

We had more server stress tests that reached 93 concurrent players with some Evocati reporting FPS as low as 5 frames with a wide range of frame times.
Also they're getting feedback to balance the game missions and earning based on closed alpha feedback.
How's that open development going for ya'll?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Deadlyinx
evocati instructions aren't included in patch notes
/vg/thread/194867663#p195050097

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@BinaryMan
evocati instructions aren't included in patch notes
The claim has been made several times that the patch notes have been full of bugs that can cause server crashes.

Its funny how no "evocati instructions" have ever been leaked.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@haveahappyday
It's funny how no evocati instructions have ever been leaked
What? The instructions get leaked. They've been testing missions.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@haveahappyday
every leaked pic has only small ships
videos of evocati show huge lag spikes when spawning a constellation
this is proof that players can cause server instability in the current builds whether you like it or not dude

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Emberburn
The instructions get leaked.
link 'em

Techpill
Techpill

@Soft_member
Lag is not server instability and is far removed from causing crashes which was the claim that was made. Also, that these crash causing bugs were listed in the ETF patch notes. None of this has ever had any evidence supporting it be presented.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Techpill
oh look more deflection

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@viagrandad
Just getting back into ED now I've noticed I can piss about on it just fine using the steam controller while downstairs.

Whats a good way to earn Credits now, any good rare trade routes?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Spamalot
That is someone on reddit who has asked someone who is (purportedly) a part of ETF some questions. That's not even close to instructions issued by CIG.

@DeathDog
Specifically define what part I didn't respond to or that you felt I deflected so I may address it. Assuming of course you are actually trying to have a constructive discussion and aren't just baiting for yous.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Spamalot
I think both anons made their point clear.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Methnerd
reupload
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x69d2ql

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Supergrass
I feel like we're rehashing 2.0 release. Everyone is sitting here talking about if they'll get it out by the end of the year or not. Arguments like "It'll be good for sales if they do."

We have such short memories.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@RavySnake
11 FPS when he's staring at everyone
That's strange, that doesn't look choppy enough to be 11 fps.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@w8t4u
don't pat yourself on the back too hard there
you are by far not the only one
maybe try that whole lurk moar thing

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@askme
I wonder if their lack of fuel is only due to how CIG nerfed their range to prevent them from reaching the other planets.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@girlDog

Hmm, good call. The wings do look like they would collapse like that.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Harmless_Venom
being this unnecessarily angry
calm down, comrade.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Spamalot
@Poker_Star
Are we talking about those?
https://pastebin.com/7uDW3GJN
focus mission
Or it is too old already?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Did anything big happen in the last 6 months? Are we anywhere closer to release? Is it more or less likely to crash and burn?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SomethingNew
Did anything big happen in the last 6 months?
In CIG, yes, development happened. In what's playable? Nothing.
closer to release
yes
more likely to crash and burn
no

CR lied about 3.0 and Sq42 being new completion a year ago. Funding is still strong, and hopefully we will have 3.0 within the next 4 months. Basically, you can hibernate a little more with no issue. If not that, try and see your things on the grey market or get a refund. It's clear this game development is going to take forever.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

The Gladius and the Avenger are probably the only ships that could realistically fly in atmosphere, even then you would have to get rid of the Avenger's cargo space and bedroom so the engines/other internals can have room to actually exist

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Need_TLC
I hope the inevitable avenger remake fixes some of that shit. I love my star penguin, but god damn that thing needs some work

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Poker_Star

Basically, you can hibernate a little more with no issue.

Alright, thanks.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@viagrandad
Star Trek Online had something like that and they opened it to the public because literally no one goes there. It's still empty too

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Soft_member
what a fag

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@RavySnake
Gah what have they done to the pressurization/depressurization in airlocks! I like the new design, but they need the flashing light effects, atmospheric effects and sounds back!

iluvmen
iluvmen

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/930939036214099968
Tomorrow on Around the Verse: Procedural Cities and another installment of Burndown.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@RavySnake
So, is the driver notes the part where the evocati will "crash the server" is they do something wrong, or was that another set of instructions to prevent crashing the server?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@iluvmen
I'm ok with it desu

just wish they'd cut out the boring meeting footage and talk more about cool features and theorycrafting stuff

Methnerd
Methnerd

@iluvmen
Finally, an interesting ATV!

Soft_member
Soft_member

@iluvmen
more procedural cities
I bet 10bux that it's going to be the exact same thing we saw at citizencon but with more ums and aws to make it 20 minutes

@kizzmybutt
They need to make it longer somehow ;)

Methnerd
Methnerd

@kizzmybutt
@Soft_member
What if, instead of burndown, they let each studio provide a digest update for their months work. Usually 4 weeks in a month, so each studio could take turns and go one at a time, then at the end of the month, they could put all of them together in a monthly summary.
Does that sound crazy? It doesn't seem that hard to do since each studio only has to do it once a month.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Methnerd
is this sarcasm? they used to do exactly that

but now all they do is rush to fix things they already talked about so there's not enough interesting stuff for that

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Methnerd
Each studio does this already. There's 4 episodes in a month, each with a different major studio, which comes out to 4.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evil_kitten
is this sarcasm?
exactly describes the more popular show they cancelled for burndown
rly?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Spamalot
Yeah, but CIG mistakenly thinks most people give a fuck about quantum animations and procedural tech that won't be in the game for years, when there is current gameplay they still aren't showing, except for a supposed car commercial, which totally isn't sanctioned by CIG.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Soft_member
Pretty typical avocado. I can see why he would be pissed. CIG has watered down his reward by not clamping down on leaks hard enough. What's the point of his status if regular backers know what he is doing? He shared his passport after all.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Deadlyinx
when there is current gameplay they still aren't showing
Like what? Mining, cargo, piracy, etc? They should be in 3.0, but if the leaks are to be believed, even those aren't fully implemented. I don't even think mining has been made in any way at all. Everything else is behind NDA to make sure people don't say bad things about a buggy alpha being buggy and in alpha :)))

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
3.0 They still have not shown someone sit sown and play the current fucking game. Not demos from years ago, not gamescon demos backers can't play, the current fucking game that is in testing right fucking now is what I'm talking about.
I want to see the current 3.0 being played. Literally everything else is bullshit.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Inmate
*down
that looks a little ragier than I probably meant, just pointing out that year old demos don't count as current gameplay

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Inmate
@Stupidasole
But user they had popular streamers and maybe 20 - 30 people play a small zoned off, missionless, game-mechanicless, hyper limited version of it at gamescon. Are you telling me that this wasn't enough for you?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Skullbone

passeport*

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

if they had good gameplay they would have shown in by now
3.0 is going to be teleporting a bunch of crates into your ship to sell or fetching a box from a random outpost

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Nude_Bikergirl
better than ICC. At the very least it has a party system in addition to group QT travel, so playing with friends or org mates should be easier.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BlogWobbles
<throws hands up DS style>
I guess I'm the one being unreasonable. By the current math, they have to have 15-20 concurrent game servers to support the full etf population, depending on player count per instance.
conservatively saying 25% of the etf are the max on at one time is still upwards of half a dozen servers.
it will be too much noise. they won't know what to work on with all the reports if they show people actual gameplay.
@Fried_Sushi
right. he's pretty brave for that. we should thank him for his service.

all evocati now have PTSD and have to be treated as shellshocked vets that could go off at any moment. fly safe and don't be afraid to ask for help

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

o7

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Fellas, here is a thought: What if Evocati transitions into being eternal development hell? Think about it, once 3.0 comes out we can assume it will be stable enough since it has passed through Evocati, and thus it'll hopefully be enjoyable and playable for us all. But, those Evocati testers are going to soon after be roped into testing for 3.1, and then 3.2, and so on and so forth. Forever having to dedicate their time on Star Citizen reporting bugs and dealing with a game at varying states of playability.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Gigastrength
implying we won't be here for 3.1 the same way next year, hoping it is out of testing by the end of the year but knowing it probably won't be.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
Yeah. That is probably true. It's a shitshow all the way down.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Gigastrength
That's what they signed up for though. They only got into Evocati because they were filling out more bug reports more than most players. I'm sure some will get tired and quit, but there will always be people to fill their spots.

askme
askme

@Gigastrength
fuck everyone playing along with that entire program.
no exceptions.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@askme
I don't understand how someone can hate them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Nojokur
because if they didn't play along with the farce the farce wouldnt exist.

WebTool
WebTool

@Dreamworx
What farce?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@kizzmybutt
burndown is the only thing i can watch, i look at the new numbers and then im out, i havent watched a single atv showcase since 2 months or so, they are so stale and boring, theres nothing to look at , nothing new to show, 3.0 has been spread so fucking thin is gonna be so boring after 2 hours of play

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@WebTool
evocati, if there was not a group of people who wanted to work for free in exchange for a feeling of exclusivity we would have 3.0, bugs and all. instead, they have it, because theyre willing to bend over and accept an NDA and work as QA without compensation on a project they and others paid for.

They are complicit and actively collaborating in making this supposedly open development more closed.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CouchChiller
We would have bugs and all instead
Why the fuck would you want that? Why would you want to land on a planet only to sinkhole into the ground every time you do?

TechHater
TechHater

@haveahappyday
because I paid specifically for alpha access.
just because some people want to play a finished game and only a finished game doesnt mean everyone does.

That was the bargain, I knew what alpha meant in 2012, just as I do now. They are the ones who are trying to edit things after the fact and claim that backers dont actually want alpha access, maybe the normies they specifically attempted to attract by marketing SC like finished product want a finished product, but I want the deal as first laid out. they even EXPANDED alpha access later. At first is was just first and second generation backer in the alpha. Now its neither first nor second, but streamers, the most autistic, CIG dicksucks and people willing to work for a pat on the head.

The original agreement has been so thoroughly torn up at this point, if I was mobsters I'd be having people shot by now.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TechHater
Well, you knew what you were getting into, fair enough. CIG is just concerned about the thousands of people who are considerably less in control of their faculties when compared to yourself, and rightly so. I wouldn't want some shitskin faggot like Derek to come onto my alpha and use it as evidence of my game's failure. However, I would like you to come on and help with the Evocati.

Send me an email at: [email protected]

JunkTop
JunkTop

@CodeBuns
CIG has to pander to the lowest common denominator and that affects all of us.

Thinking about that in a general sense, it's depressing that this is how the world works.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CodeBuns
CIG is just concerned about the thousands of people who are considerably less in control of their faculties when compared to yourself
this is fundamentally bullshit because only CIG's opinion matters for the game. saying outside opinions could steer the project is a cop out excuse.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RumChicken
so why give yours? It's ultimately meaningless right?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

what is chris roberts phoen number, i want to send him a sms with encoruaging words.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sharpcharm
Econcomy bulk passenger missions to stations that are very far from their star.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Soft_member
Yep disgusting Avocado behavior, CIG is clamping down on backers complaining about evocati as well on their spectrum site. Posts complaining about it are deleted or closed, I think CIG is thanking whatever gods they believe in the games media hasn't picked up on it.

Inmate
Inmate

@lostmypassword
What exactly would the media report on?
Backers of successful crowd funding project are upset that the developers are bug testing their latest build! Read more after the click.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Inmate
Star Citizen a game that has made 163 million dollars in crowdfunding explicitly telling all backers they will have access to Alpha builds and open development has instead opted to have Closed Alpha testing with a small amount of backers who are also expected to sign an NDA to stop people talking about the state of the game.
If you purchase Star Citizen today you will not be permitted to play the latest patch or give feedback on said patch. Instead you will have to wait till it has finished it's closed alpha testing and been uploaded to a live environment.

Something like that I guess worded better?

farquit
farquit

@Booteefool
The latest alpha patch is 2.6.3. You can play that right now. What's the issue?

Evilember
Evilember

@Soft_member
My opinion is not why an open development game is released with an nda to unpaid backers.
CIG is the one asking us to accept an NDA because people might write things, but saying they are making the game they want free from outside influence.
If CIG was truly free from outside influence, then why all the cloak and dagger?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@farquit
The latest alpha patch is 2.6.3
except the latest alpha according to the website is 3.0. CIG is the one saying Alpha 3.0, not me.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@farquit
What about the year old patch that isn't the latest patch?
Don't be a deliberately dumb fag.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Raving_Cute
@SomethingNew
Why is there so much anger about this?
I can go home and boot up 2.6.3 right now.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@lostmypassword
Why is there so much anger over this.
this is bait

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TechHater
Alpha access
That's the keyword though. A game/update/content can have who knows how many iterations before it gets to alpha access.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Lunatick
funny how CIG uses Alpha for 2.6.3 and 3.0. you can play Alpha 2.6.3 but not Alpha 3.0, hence backers cannot play the latest "Alpha" because CIG has broken their explicit promise about this contained in "The Pledge".

JunkTop
JunkTop

@hairygrape
This entire conversation is retarded. Literally crying because you cannot play a build early. No better than retards like @Soft_member

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Lunatick
See the picture @lostmypassword
posted.

@hairygrape
I see what you're saying, but to play devil's advocate it's not like CIG had planned this. Back in 2012 when they said that backers would have "legacy alpha access" I'm sure the thought never even crossed their mind that they would eventually have a select group of testers sign an NDA to participate in testing the current internal build. That explains the contradiction.

As for why they don't change the fine print to something like:
"All backers will have alpha access (but not Evocati access unless they are selected for their participation on the issue council)."

That is beyond me.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@JunkTop
what's actually retarded is the way stupid dumb fucks like you just accept companies breaking their word with no consequence.
we are not unfairly putting demands on CIG that did not exist before. we are simply holding CIG to what they said.
CIG doesn't get to take our money on the promise of letting us see the game as it is made, then renege on that without a total shitstorm over it. you must be retarded if you think people are just going to go out like that.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TurtleCat
it's not like CIG had planned this
isn't that just typical CIG though? total lack of forethought and no thought given to the consequences of what they are doing. as far as CIG is concerned, fuck existing backers and what they think, the next sale is all that matters. I'm sure everyone at CIG has a big fuck laugh every time someone says "open development".

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TurtleCat
That is beyond me
Because it's not necessary. It's literally this one retard crying about it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Carnalpleasure
one
keep telling yourself that punkin. you can find the same sentiment on reddit and in deleted posts on specrrum, but I only post here.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Illusionz
Keep telling yourself that anyone gives a shit about an extremely vocal minority crying that they can't play the buggy pre alpha build.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Illusionz
but I only post here.
Fight the power. Shitpost here and change everything.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@kizzmybutt
I care
I'm someone
Keep telling yourself that anyone at CIG (you know, the people who's opinions actually affect things) give one shit about who you think they should listen too

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@kizzmybutt
play the buggy pre alpha build.
Again, we see the cultist's extremely low IQ and reading comprehension ability on display as he continues to conflate alpha access with the nda preventing people from seeing the game.

Listen simple, for the probably not the last because this apparently not sinking in, seeing the current patch is not the same as downloading it and playing it yourself. there is no good reason at all to have an open development game in closed alpha unless the game isn't actually open development, in which case CIG is blatantly lying.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@kizzmybutt
Keep telling yourself that anyone gives a shit about an extremely vocal minority crying that they can't play the buggy pre alpha build.
It would not take many whales to stop their subscriptions or purchases for CIG to start caring.
Even CIG have acknowledged that they rely heavily on knowing what month to month funding is going to be. When that starts tracking downward enough they're going to release 3.0 in whatever state it is.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Ignoramus
posting on reddit and spectrum just gets me banned for not drinking the koolaid so I don't bother anymore. those are just fan clubs anyway, this is the closest to a rational discussion to be had.
inb4 the only place on the internet where SC is discussed exclusively 24/7 and CIG isn't looking

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Takeaways from this discussion:

NDA: Everyone thinks it's bad and wants it gone.

Evocati: Mixed bag. Some people think it should go straight to PTU when it's ready to be openly tested, some people think Evocati is useful. There are some merits to each side.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Raving_Cute
Where were you when the most reasonable post ever made in this thread showed up?
I was checking the board from work.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Raving_Cute
There are some merits to each side.
The merits aren't in question, it's the fact CIG created the ETF to reduce data costs and then went and transformed it into a closed alpha with NDA after the fact and now tries to pretend that was it's intention all along.

Spamalot
Spamalot

:thinking:

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Inous, go back to rebbit and stay there.

likme
likme

@Spamalot
What a crock of shit

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Spamalot
Star Citizen's business model will be Battlefront Ii without randomization

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Spamalot
@likme
These people are like turkeys in a rainstorm, they'd suffocate to death with a dick in their throats because they forgot to stop sucking for a second and breathe.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Deadlyinx
Not even CIG would be dumb enough to hide ships inside of cunting, shitting, pissing loot boxes.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@LuckyDusty
Not even CIG would be dumb enough to hide ships inside of cunting, shitting, pissing loot boxes.
I'm of two minds on this. On one hand I want him to be right because lootboxes are cancer.
On the other, the fucking irony would be delicious.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Ignoramus
I only come here to produce quality content that will be appreciated by the community.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Can somebody tell me why my route plotting seems to arbitrarily fail? I've turned off all filters as far as I know and the image shows a place chock full of stars almost 3k ly away. The star to which a route was successfully plotted can be seen in the lower right of the image, only a few ly away from the star where route plotting fails.

WebTool
WebTool

Holy shit it's an E:D post.

iluvmen
iluvmen

*BREATHS IN*

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
What's bad about this one? I kinda like it compared to the other guns.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Skullbone

Not him but I think rotary machine guns only work on vehicles that are stable enough to hold it straight. It's in general overkill for infantry (the most common target for infantry) and the relatively low mag drum size compared to a vehicle mounted version means the loss in stability is not worth it.
If it was an energy weapon it wouldn't really need a drum mag but could work.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
Nice ripoff from a movie gun

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Flameblow
The typical problems with a handheld minigun can be applied to a lot of games and - like those games - SC is going for the flashy rather than the authentic. It doesn't bother me that much; I'm rather big on rotary guns, mounted or not.

@Fried_Sushi
It's from Deep Rising. Who's gonna care.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RumChicken
I reset the plotting by plotting and going to a star one jump away, restarted the game, and then it started working normally. The galaxy map is a turd.

likme
likme

@Flameblow
I think rotary machine guns only work on vehicles that are stable enough to hold it straight.
You're not wrong, but given the size of the grip/stock this one isn't nearly the size of modern ones and thus not nearly as heavy and difficult to keep stable (not to mention futuristic alloys being even lighter than their contemporaries). Besides, who even says its a machinegun? Why not a shotgun?

@iluvmen
Where is this even from?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@WebTool
Sorry we're busy murdering dads with the new anti-xeno fighter before ftroop nerfs its PVP capabilities.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@likme
It's the LMG from the new "Gemini" weapons manufacturer, which also makes and AR, pic related, a ballistic pump shotgun and a handgun thus far.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Flameblow
@likme
I'm just theorycrafting, but I would guess that the minigun above doesnt actually fire at a particularly high rate, and the multibarrel rotary design is about heat control for sustained fire in vacuum. With the multiple barrels acting to both distribute the heat load and act as heatsink/thermal conduits to pull heat from the breach and barrels into a thermal control system, which all the gemini guns do have, that glowy blue bit they all share is some sort of cooling system, indicating that are specifically designed for use in space.

It atmo a multi barrel rotary cannon lets you fire at absurdly high MOAR DAKKA fire rates because its air cooled, but in vac the rotary design might just be there to allow you to fire at normal LMG rates in a sustained way without melting your barrel.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Any hope for armor like pic related?

@iluvmen
This is just lazy. All because CIG can't be bothered to add new weapon poses. Looks stupid too.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@CouchChiller
Any hope for armor like pic related?
no

eGremlin
eGremlin

@CouchChiller
Any hope for armor like pic related?
Hopefully not. Looks stupid.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@iluvmen

SPESS AK WHEN

TechHater
TechHater

@Ignoramus
3.0

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TechHater
Kastak guns look like over-detailed messes but I'm just glad they're really distinct from the first batch of guns they made.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@GoogleCat
look like over-detailed messes
well they are high tech laser weapons after all

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TechHater
Berserker

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TechHater

Needs more wooden furnishing. Does anyone have any info on weapon modification and customization?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@CouchChiller
that must be a bitch to put on

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CouchChiller
Any hope for armor like pic related?
Exactly like that? No, if for no other reason than the hands are obviously exposed. Some similiar? Sure, you can readily expect there to be boxy, clunky armor that has you stopping around like the trex in Jurassic Park. I think you'll have to give up on the "horns" though. Just isn't practical for fitting into cockpits and airlocks.
All because CIG can't be bothered to add new weapon poses.
Please explain.

girlDog
girlDog

@Need_TLC
Wood is more likely to be a luxury good in the future/space than a cheap material for mass production. Consider all the wood styling on the luxury ships.

WebTool
WebTool

@girlDog
Since there is uncountable amounts of resources in space with mineral rich planets and asteroid clusters and with how few habitable planets there are out there you could grow forests on I could actually believe that.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@WebTool
There is that, plus the simple logistics of it. Like, I'm a trader and I got my hold full of futura-steel. I know that where ever I go, someone is going to want to buy it as its the basic building block of every modern construction. Or, I can fill up on a specialty good that the yuppies on Terra would love to pay me for...except, oh wait, some smelly banu showed up an hour before I did and flooded the market already. Now I have a bunch of wood that won't sell and I have to try and cover extra fuel costs to goto a different location and hope some banu didn't beat me there as well.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Burnblaze
Is Rhea still a gold mine?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I need to spend monies
whens the next sale?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@haveahappyday
next week or two
anniversary sale

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Deadlyinx

All because CIG can't be bothered to add new weapon poses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdrGvTm6xDg

Talks about the awrkwardness of having handheld, hip fired weapons

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Stark_Naked
I appreciate you taking the time to find the video but can you pare it down to about when it happens? I don't have over a half an hour for this.

girlDog
girlDog

@haveahappyday
24th to the 4th. should probably see a prices post tomorrow if there's any new ships.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@CouchChiller
Go back to Destiny 2 kike

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RavySnake

B- but its St.Theo concept deisgn!

iluvmen
iluvmen

I got a Destiny 2 key...
Anyone wanna trade a 50 dollar RSI gift card for it? =3

Methshot
Methshot

@Spamalot
padded plate armor
hammer head that weighs half of the staff it is attached to
guns
The one above that was pretty homosexual, but this is just... I mean... Who is this person's enemy? How does he operate a firearm with armored mitts? Ignoring the antlers because some fruit hangs too low, which of God's creatures has the unfortunate fate of keeping a straight face while this guy does his monologue?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

why are people chimping out about not having evocati access? sounds like it's an unplayable crashfest where players basically do nothing but meet up and wait around for an hour for instructions from CIG and get asked to do dumb shit like all press space bar at the same time. is this some new goon spergout or some shit?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evil_kitten
why are people chimping out about not having evocati access?
the argument is against the nda. everyone understand controlling player count and limiting testing to scales they can handle. people have a hard time with the nda that keeps everyone from seeing what is going on.
The only people worried about what people might think are CIG, everyone else is pretty much done with depending on "leaks" instead of CIG just letting people see the development 90% of them want to see and the other 10% are lying about wanting to see.

WebTool
WebTool

@cum2soon

desu senpai there's a difference between showing what they're working on (transparency, open) and showing you unavoidably shit, temporary gameplay baka

King_Martha
King_Martha

@WebTool
there's a difference
CIG has fucked around for so long a lot of backers are not seeing that line any more. Having obviously fake leaks being the main point of discussion everywhere, CIG is not helping the case people make for the nda.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTORCpCz4OE

Supergrass
Supergrass

@AwesomeTucker

muh racing system

Yea, nah, post that when the razor comes out

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Supergrass
razor
Why?There are other racing ships.
M50
350r
Mustang Gamma/Omega

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Evil_kitten
i hope sc devs don't fall for the gaming chair meme

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@JunkTop

Razor is clearly the superior racer.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Spazyfool
Except for the part where they said the m50 and 350r are faster.and agile.

5mileys
5mileys

@Firespawn

[citation needed[

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Firespawn
said
They've said many things before.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Poker_Star
you clearly havent seen a single shot of the CIG offices..

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Spamalot
Did the artist just go "Hmmmm I want a future looking Robert Baratheon when he caved in Rheagar's chest"

because that is exactly what that is

Skullbone
Skullbone

OK Chris, hand over the 3.0

Methshot
Methshot

Who else is excited at the prospect of artificial limb enchantments? First thing I'll be shilling for with my hard earned UEC

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Methshot
Are you going to get lifestealing or crusader?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@5mileys
@Nude_Bikergirl
sorry, made lunch
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/15658-Q-A-MISC-Razor
Designed to be an endurance racer rather than a drag or F1 style racer the Razor will be able to last longer in races before the pilot has to start considering their fuel levels, whilst the pure performance isn’t as good as the M50/350R in a straightline or maneuverability it will still be able to keep up.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@viagrandad

Are those the brands? Gosh, haven't even thought about that. Anything that looks even vaguely like pic related- I.E exposed synthetic muscles over an artificial endo skeleton

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxBdyyGx7vM

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxBdyyGx7vM

ATV Up

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

inb4 "PLEASE UNDERSTAND"
please understand that if I don't smile and act like everything is awesome around me, they'll feed me to Ben LardNeck, send halp!

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

new ATV is up
197 more bugs until PTU
It's never coming out, is it?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Stupidasole
early atv
good content
what went so right

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@lostmypassword
They said they cleared over 100 bugs in two weeks so there is hope

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Skullbone
rotating barrels are only really needed if you're running thousands of rounds of ammunition through the gun simply because a single barrel would heat up too much, plus the shooter would have to deal with the rotational torque as well as recoil

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@King_Martha
It could also potentially be beneficial when operating inna vacuum.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@SomethingNew
you'd need magical radiators like the ships have that dump all their heat to the interior and completly ignore the relationship between surface area and heat transfer efficiency

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@kizzmybutt
to be fair if you wanted correct thermodynamic you wouldn't play generic space-fighter the game, you would play CHODE

hairygrape
hairygrape

@kizzmybutt
Have a space magic supercapacitor heatsink, when its at max load eject it into space and install a new one, you carry extra heatsinks like extra ammo. Hell LMGs in the real world swap barrels for exactly the same reason.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Lunatick
No, he's memeing. Those are famous enchantments from WoW back in the day.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@kizzmybutt
6 barrels distributes the heat of a normal fire rate LMG and lets you fire longer without melting the barrels, you're right that heat is still a massive issue, but adding barrels would mitigate it in the immediate term, you sttil need a way @hairygrape
to dump the heat, but a larger heatsink in the form of a collection of six barrels both to spread out the heat load and to provide a larger chunk of metal to soak up energy in general and stave off structural failure.

If in space, your barrel melts after 100 rounds, having six might let you fire four hundred rounds instead, that's valuable. If thats paired with some sort of heat isolation system that either uses a dumpable coolant like a watercooled HMG of the 20th century or an ejectable/replaceable heatsink block to dispose of heat into space without actually radiating it you now have a solution to sidestep the normal limits on heat disposal in vacuum.

SniperGod
SniperGod

What's the name of that one early access space game that lets you create a space trucking empire?

eGremlin
eGremlin

another boring ass atv wooowieeee
the weird looking autist that created the procedual city tech by himself, kudos to him

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

put the blonde QT to mask the boring ATV.

ATV won't be good tell 3.0 is out.

Techpill
Techpill

@TurtleCat
ATV won't be good tell 3.0 is out.
Atv won't be good until burndown is thrown in the trash where it belongs and studio updates come back. The UK and Frankfurt updates were always the best info dumps of the month.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Techpill
Burndown won't be over tell 3.0 is out in live or PTU.

TreeEater
TreeEater

who /starsector/ here?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TreeEater
Call me when the next update is out

Methshot
Methshot

https://youtu.be/NxBdyyGx7vM?t=2112

What is this guy rambling on about from this point on. Otherwise great feature this week.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I was so bummed we never got a HQ video of the CitizenCon demo, so I was hoping they'd make an ATV about it with newly recorded clips.

That dev probably recorded it on his own PC hence why the framerate is like 10 fps. And now people are going to think this is actually how it runs when it ran better at CitizenCon, giving more ammo to the goons. CIG why do you do this. You make Evocati sign an NDA because you don't want them to share videos that show poor performance and instability. Then you don't record ATV clips showing your procedural city tech on planets on your best PC, opting instead to to show off a glorified slideshow.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methshot
"i sure hope alien cities aren't retarded for no reason."

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Boy_vs_Girl

But doesn't heat in a vaccum dissipate practically instantly?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TreeEater

outposts when

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Need_TLC
no, heat dissipates from air particles/atoms/molecules conducting heat energy from the hot surface, in vacuum heat straight up can't dissipate at all unless you're flinging off hot particles like a heat sink to take it for you

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Emberfire
I sure hope they aren't retarded for no reason as well.

Hopefully the Xi'an have really cool public gardens and what not.

WebTool
WebTool

@TurtleCat
@Fuzzy_Logic
till

Skullbone
Skullbone

@RavySnake
@iluvmen

Isn't Gemini essentially the Magpul of the Star Citizen universe?

High quality but none the less still horrifically overpriced?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Carnalpleasure

And yet space is so cold. How strange and very intresting.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

https://imgur.com/a/adCNB

Reclaimer lighting options

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Skullbone
space lacks matter to conduct energy away from anything hot, cold doesnt exist, space isn't "cold" in energy sense, it just lacks matter to transmit the energy that is there as cant have heat with matter to be energized.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Skullbone
space is cold due to the absence of particles radiating heat

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

AtV on time again
What the FUCK

King_Martha
King_Martha

not sure how to feel about the thread turning into /sci/k/

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Garbage Can Lid
*conduct, not transmit.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Burnblaze
and if there were particles they would be capturing the radiant energy that is actually quite common in space, so common we have to shield against it or be cooked alive, and radiating it, like planets and moons do when exposed to to the light of nearby stars.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@LuckyDusty
easy to be on time when its full of literally nothing.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Crazy_Nice
And yet they still fucked it up every week for the last 6 months. This is WEIRD.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Harmless_Venom
I think the lighting state has something to do with the ship damage state or something, but I do like the look of the second option in most of those pictures.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Harmless_Venom
Second one looks like the ambient lighting you'd expect to see inside a BMM.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Need_TLC
I dig it, makes the corridors feel more like a submarine or something. First one is a little too bland, but is probably what we're getting, and the third one is a little too red everywhere for my taste.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Titan suit concept art when??

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Burnblaze
space is hot because if you can't radiate the heat of your ship fast enough you'll melt, no matter if you are at the end of the Heat death of the universe.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@CouchChiller
This is WEIRD
They quit seeing the boost from hype and realized they were just pissing backers off with delaying the video for "polish".

massdebater
massdebater

@Firespawn
lol, never. They'll have to design an entire seperate motion rig for it, and with chris calling the shots they'll have to make it move in an ultra realistic way, meaning in order to put it in game theyre going to have to design and build an IRL titan suit for mocap.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Haven't been following star citizen for a while, had a break after the last set of delays. Has 3.0 dropped yet?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TalkBomber
Has 3.0 dropped yet
Look at the fucking thread for half a minute and see if you think 3.0 dropped.

takes2long
takes2long

@massdebater
tfw CIG would probably pay a large sum of shekels just to be allowed to use the Loliwood exo-props regarding the "Edge of Tomorrow" movie

Flameblow
Flameblow

@takes2long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spD2KAgBH-s

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@takes2long
Loliwood

Evilember
Evilember

@Stupidasole
referencing things only evocati saw
no CIG, in fact we didn't notice that the shops were duplicated. thanks for sparing us the abject horror of that.
proc planets will be decorated near landing pads and generic everywhere else, also only certain areas will get nav meshes.
so, like everything else procedurally generated, you can get usable information from the pattern itself meaning the immersive elements are overridden by the recognizable patterns underlying. case in point, nms animals. yes, only animals. give sean a break, he's trying

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SniperWish
being this angry at a proof of concept
did you miss the part where he said that was the video they showed Chris to get the whole thing going, as in literally the first time it was rendered and considered working?
@askme
K-PAX is 10,000% creepier now if you watch it and think he is mental.

Methshot
Methshot

@SniperWish
That dev probably recorded it on his own PC hence why the framerate is like 10 fps. And now people are going to think this is actually how it runs when it ran better at CitizenCon
It's pretty obvious that it's exactly how you described. No one will think "oh this game must run like shit because the framerate was low in this dev video in the editor". Well, except maybe goons. Certainly not the average person.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Boy_vs_Girl
i hate redditors so god damn much fuck

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Methshot
average person
That's a pretty high bar for backers. The intelligence bell curve definitely has an downwards offset when using backers as a filter. They should have watermarked 2/3 of the screen with:

ALPHA WORK IN PROGRESS. NOT TYPICAL OF FINAL PRODUCT. RELEASE CREDITS NON CONTRACTUAL. BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED. THIS SHIT ISN'T DONE YET. SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED. WE AREN'T KIDDING, YOUR SHIP IS GOING TO CHANGE LIKE 5 MORE TIMES, AT LEAST. NOT LEGAL OUTSIDE THE STATE OF WASHINGTON. WE ARE NOT KIDDING THIS SHIT WILL CRASH YOUR SHIT HARD. CONSULT A DOCTOR BEFORE BEGINNING AN EXERCISE ROUTINE. ALL SALES FINAL, EXCEPT WE PROBABLY CAN'T ENFORCE OUR OWN TOS, SO WE ARE GIVING REFUNDS ANYWAY TO AVOID A CONFLICT.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@MPmaster
PTU must fix
is it in PTU now? or still evocadi?
my launcher isnt working

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RumChicken
That's everything that has to be fixed to head to PTU.

farquit
farquit

i-i-i-it's just an alpha they'll optimize it later
it's been 5 years bitch where's my game

StonedTime
StonedTime

@farquit
its waiting for you to make it, bitch.

girlDog
girlDog

the only good thing in the last 3 months of ATVs were the burndowns, thats a fact

Supergrass
Supergrass

@girlDog
burndown is miserable

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Supergrass
and the showcases without any footage at all arent?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Sir_Gallonhead
just because one is second rate doesn't make the other good. Burndown a unqualified shit.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Stupidasole

Some day I need to play this

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Bidwell
its the only part that gives you an update of the status of 3.0

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Will Star citizen have missions as iconic as the ones in GTA 5? From what I've seen most of them seem like some edgy space nonsense.

Doing that mission with pic related was gold

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TreeEater
Good luck with the wizardhood.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Harmless_Venom
No. Those missions were hand crafted. SC will have very few ( if any) hand crafted missions in the final game.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Stupidasole
except it doesnt do that at all.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Harmless_Venom
mmmm squadron 42 will have higher quality missions. not sure what that GTAV thing is but google "morrow tour" to see the demo. You live in a large ship and have convos with NPCs and receive briefings and stuff in person and with holograms, but the actual missions are mostly flying a spaceship in the military

Lunatick
Lunatick

Planetside 2fag here. I understand that getting a bunch of players against eachother is going to be hard to do but will the crew end up scheduling some sort of solar system wide space war against the players and some alien race generated just for the event?

massdebater
massdebater

what is cloud imperium going to do to prevent Antisemitism and Islamophobia in star citizen?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@massdebater
they already temporarily banned one of the scg orgs for edgy nazi imagery

so that probably

TreeEater
TreeEater

@massdebater
they force renamed my org for being "gas the juice" and gave me a strike
gave me a way better name though so i'm not complaining, i was lacking inspiration

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Deadlyinx
Guess I'll try posting in recruitment chat.
Humanity fuck yeah centered message
Nightcunter spams me about how its too close to nazi propaganda.

The fuck?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@TreeEater
Well?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@cum2soon
it's now "Sparkle Pony Space Adventure"
lit af tbqh, esp because it's all rl friends that plan on fucking around instead of actually taking it seriously

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SniperWish
Someday you'll be able to sell that name to a bunch of autistic bronies for multiple thousands of dollars.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Deadlyinx
They banned our taliban org too. Letting the guys who do it for free regulate actual game relevant stuff was the worst thing cig has done

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Harmless_Venom
some edgy space nonsense
How fucking retarded can you be?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@StonedTime
Do it.

Flameblow
Flameblow

ded

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Flameblow
nothing to talk about because of bullshit NDA, nothing to do but fling salt at each other because two years of no major updates.

I think EDG is finally rip.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@CodeBuns
The NDA don't change anything, we've already seen everything that matter in 3.0. All we lose is non-stop shitposting about bugs
5 years and they still can't do X?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Gigastrength
we've already seen everything that matter in 3.0
I disagree, as do many others.
If you feel there is nothing more to discuss than you are free to be silent but others would like some hands-on with 3.0 and then to talk about it.

askme
askme

Am I going crazy or something? A while ago I saw something about players without Horizons getting the ability of getting multicrew, but now I cant find anything about it. Anyone got any idea on this?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@askme
Horizon owners will supposedly get the next expansion content for free

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@ZeroReborn
What about those that dont have Horizons?

Evilember
Evilember

@Fuzzy_Logic
insert dad "you don't understand game development give them money" copy pasta here
I have no clue

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Evilember
Well damn. That sucks. Guess I'll have to wait for Horizons to go on sale or something

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Lord_Tryzalot
Personally I don't want to give Frontier more money

Bidwell
Bidwell

How do you plan to interact with Xenos filth? I'm inclind to take the fanatic xenophobe track and quietly murder any I encounter.

massdebater
massdebater

@Emberburn
Where's your proof that they video clips during this ATV were from the the video they showed to Chris?

There isn't any. But there is evidence to suggest that this was a newly recorded video. If it was a earlier video of the prototype that showed off the capabilities of the technology, it wouldn't look as nice or complete as it did during the CitizenCon demo. However, the video looks exactly like what we saw at CitizenCon.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Emberburn
Also, forgot to add this. We saw some clips of an earlier build. The clip with the ArcCorp-like city on the Hurston-like planet, and the clip where he's inside a building watching the buildings outside load. They look a lot rougher around the edges than the other clips I was talking about.

It's pretty clear they re-recorded some segments from the CitizenCon demo for the purpose of this ATV. I just wish they did it on a more powerful PC. It can't be too hard to find one in a game studio office.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@kizzmybutt
you clearly don't understand game development.

girlDog
girlDog

@Bidwell

I'm hoping to wind up with some kind of Tevarin partner for occasional bounty hunter/spontaneous minor crime sprees in my downtime. I feel kinda bad for them as a race.
Holidays in Xi'an systems sound really nice too, all the UEE space will be overexploited, barren or commercialised to fuck.

t. drinker

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Bidwell
I intend to consider human the xenos filth that must be purged for the safety of all other proper race, including Vanduul.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

how do we convince chris to force canadian's to play on their own server?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Stark_Naked
introduce it as a stretch goal

hairygrape
hairygrape

@girlDog
I'll still betting on us having a Tevarin wingman in sq 42 ala Hobbes from Wing Commander.
We know at least one Tevarin is a senator and you need to be a citizen to run for office and the most common route to citizenship is military service, so...

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Bidwell

slay Xi on sight (because they taste so delicious)
enslave Banu (cheap labour, sell them back to their own kind)
Everything else gets a wide birth

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
berth

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Ignoramus
girth

Firespawn
Firespawn

@ZeroReborn
*thicc

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

So we are to the time of the day/night where we just shitpost-bump to keep the thread alive?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@lostmypassword
be nice
no shitposting pls

likme
likme

@Firespawn
<3

@lostmypassword
Yes.

@Burnblaze
spess n shiet tho

JunkTop
JunkTop

@StonedTime
That middle one looks like the Esperia Prowler

askme
askme

@hairygrape
Tevarin are going to cause a civil war with the UEE post SQ42 storyline conclusion when the UEE has lost a lot of its military strength. CIG loremakers are already sowing seeds of it into their lore.
It'll probably be one of the big in universe events as they try to reestablish their controlled starsystems and either subjugate Humanity, Wipe them out or depending on our actions ask to be considered their own independent species no longer a part of the UEE.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Bidwell
[insert smug pepe]

SniperGod
SniperGod

@askme
Don't forget that there's that small(?) Tevarin colony out in the Branaugh(?) system

viagrandad
viagrandad

@likme
piercings
In the oven..!

cum2soon
cum2soon

Do upgrades open up at all during sales?

I wanted to upgrade my Caterpillar to a Starfarer but it isn't an upgrade option at the moment.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@cum2soon
Well if they're gonna do it like last year then it'll be a day to day basis, one day it'll be drake ships and then the next it'll be MISC etc.
However on the final day of the sale they usually have EVERYTHING that has been offered on offer in the days up to the 'finale', where almost if not everything is up for grabs one way or another

Inmate
Inmate

@askme
Tevarin are going to cause a civil war with the UEE post SQ42 storyline conclusion
Are you putting this forth as fact or just your personal theory? I'm going to assume the later.
CIG loremakers are already sowing seeds of it into their lore.
orly? Can you link me some. I don't follow the lore releases very closely but I'd like to read more about the Tevarin.
as they try to reestablish their controlled starsystems and either subjugate Humanity, Wipe them out or depending on our actions ask to be considered their own independent species no longer a part of the UEE.
Any traditional military action against the UEE at this point seems impossible unless there is some hidden arm of their empire that we have never been aware of. Their chances during the first war were already suspect. They never could have hoped to really conquer anything (not only for technological, but also demographic reasons) and at best just hoped to push back the boundaries of UEE space near them ie "get some breathing room." The second war was more a terroist action or insurgency than a real conflict (a decent comparison I think would be The Troubles with the NRA). Unless they have some huge store of equipment (which would be like 500 years obsolete to current human tech) and have been incredible adept at organizing in secret, I don't see how they can manage it. And even if they can, they'd face the same issue as the first war: lack of comparitive manpower. The elysium system alone might be able to fight them off. as for them breaking free and reforming: that might happen, but it seems unlikely they'll ever get their homeworld back without something truly major happening; its been under UEE control for dozens of (human) generations. Setting out and colonizing uninhabited worlds might be pretty cool thing to have happen though. Like a mass Tevarin exodus from UEE worlds. I wonder how their culture would look post-Purge as that seemed to be their main focus before.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@GoogleCat

Schweet, cheers

idontknow
idontknow

@SniperGod
This is news to me. Where can I find out more about this?

@askme
As an aside to all this: I still want to know why it is the Tevarin (supposedly) intially attacked. It doesn't seem like them and they had to realize it was at best going to be an incredibly difficult battle.
Also, where they came from and where they got the ships for the second war. Its always just described as they "showing up" from out beyond the fringe. My money is on someone (Xi'an, Banu, etc.) having helped them. Feels very "Revan returning from the far reaches" outta KotOR lore.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@ZeroReborn
Ah, cool.
I just checked the star map and the jp from that system is medium sized. I know they haven't announced what ships can fit through what size jp but I think its safe to assume that (at the very least) capital sized ships won't fit a medium. That means the Tevarin would have to fight the UEE with Constellations and Redeemers (or whatever equivalent they come up with). I don't see that going very well.
Of course that assumes two things: 1, that the any Tevarin assault would come from that system; and 2, that there are no as of yet undiscovered jp out of that system of large size.

WebTool
WebTool

So now that the Derek Smart reddit died, can we talk shit about him here?

Namely, his apparent misunderstanding of the term Minimum Viable Product?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BlogWobbles
Have some whale numales' 2 cents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqasrNgI8JI

StonedTime
StonedTime

@WebTool
Why give a nigger that vote democRAT any attention??
Might as well step onto the nearest highway screaming at the sky in the name of "progressives" if you're gonna waste your time with niggers

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

If anyone watches T.U.G.S., @11:36 Elliot roasts the fuck out of SC indirectly. He probably didn't mean CIG, but it was so on point, it fit SC perfect.
<talking about EA and SWBF2>
What they should have done is released it as [an] alpha game that they never have to finish. That's what game companies do now. You never get criticized if you just say the game's not done and we have literally no fucking clue when it will be, but it will cost you $40.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@StonedTime
Namely, because it's fun to ridicule him.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PackManBrainlure
Niggers "ridicule" themselves every single day
Here, have some fresh shit to laugh at

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SniperGod
Madagascar wasn't that large in the prime time line.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StrangeWizard
Niggers are going to die and hopefully A LOT of them
Who knows maybe we'll get to see it spread to the Euroviet Union since niggers are literally being shipped over 'em waters between North Africa and dumped on the shores of Greece by the (((people smugglers))) aka NGOs funded by the likes of Soros & co. as well as various church funds (that 1% you pay in "church tax")

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@WebTool
Why would anything that happens on reddit have any effect on what happens here? All that cancer can just stay the fuck over there.
you have to go back

girlDog
girlDog

@BlogWobbles

I'd put my money on it primarily having to be taken through ground assault.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Inmate
@idontknow
orly? Can you link me some. I don't follow the lore releases very closely but I'd like to read more about the Tevarin.
I could if I was bored enough to go back through countless lore posts and whittle out the details but I'm watching Punisher series on Netflix and really can't be fucked. Feel free to go through CIG's 5 year history of lore and writing though if you have nothing better to do.
But I remembered one is a stretch goal for 40 million.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13626-Letter-From-The-Chairman-40-Million

Emberburn
Emberburn

@girlDog
I'd put my money on it primarily having to be taken through ground assault.
I do not understand what you are trying to say. Please define the "it" from your post.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Deadlyinx
Oretani JP reopens
get to the other side to find the terraforming candidate
some of the colonists are still alive
they're all /pol/ shitposters
leave and close JP

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Deadlyinx
Feel free to go through CIG's 5 year history of lore and writing though if you have nothing better to do.
Like I said, I don't follow the lore postings very closely and I'm not about to retroactively start now. Thanks for the bit you did link though, that's pretty cool and would help explain where they got the supplies for the second war. The real questions now becomes, why were the cities abandoned?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@WebTool
Why did they shut it down anyway?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@King_Martha
Neogaf died, so they all came to reddit which in turn means you can't be (((hateful)))

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Crazy_Nice
No doubt it will reopen and the descendant of those who lived here will look very funny with outdated idealistic or hateful view of the UEE

Is the messiah Messer still in power? Did you genocide all xenos yet? What do you mean you don't have ultra advanced artificial jump gate technology already? we came back thanks to it.
I promise to close the jump point to stop illegal UEE incursion and make Oretani great again!

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@King_Martha
Long story short, it got too painful for the moderators to control and I think the moderators weren't even that invested in Star Citizen anymore and Derek's rambling was like Metalica where you just repeat the old hits to get the 40 year old fans thinking they're still teenagers.
Also as long as it existed it gave him an audience to play to without it now he either has to unban everyone from his forums and twitter account to see his shit or continue shouting into the void.
Once 3.0 is out he loses it contains nearly everything he said was impossible except for a couple of gameplay mechanics and the remaining star systems.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Skullbone
2 sips, 2 scoops, 2 genders, 2 terms

Evilember
Evilember

@VisualMaster
Once 3.0 is out he loses it contains nearly everything he said was impossible except for a couple of gameplay mechanics and the remaining star systems.
Won't everyone just move on to the next transgression by CIG?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Skullbone
You have to go back

w8t4u
w8t4u

@w8t4u
@Bidwell
@Dreamworx
@Skullbone
@Crazy_Nice

Alrighty now lets end the politics here. We are going to have to deal with each other here for the foreseeable and there is no point getting embroiled in some stupid debate we can all just have elsewhere on the website without shitting up our thread.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Skullbone
Hitler did nothing wrong, he did what he could
Apartheid was the pinnacle of nigger living
The holocaust is a lie made up by the jews

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@w8t4u
S O O N

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BunnyJinx
@Raving_Cute
@Dreamworx
@Bidwell
@w8t4u
samefag

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Evilember
Won't everyone just move on to the next transgression by CIG?
Not this time.
CIG managed to weather a year long content drought which gave them enough time to fix the engine without worrying about maintaining a live build patch update and balance.
With them getting 90+ players in an instance 60 with reasonable framerates and having PG tech online. It's essentially the point where it'll snowball streamers will be drawn in especially with FOIP and they'll jump on the bandwagon. Delta patch will allow them faster turn around for minor patches and adding ships or small content with the date driven larger patches getting ETF testing.
Derek won't be able to claim it's failing and instead will end up at war with the fake news gaymer media and probably end up arrested at next years USA Citizencon trying to attack CR.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Planetside 2fag here. I understand that getting a bunch of players against eachother is going to be hard to do but will the crew end up scheduling some sort of solar system wide space war against the players and some alien race generated just for the event?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
Not this time.
Ah, the naivety of youth.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Forever waiting for the reclaimer to go on sale again

Evilember
Evilember

@CouchChiller
They haven't ruled out public events of that scale, and they have long claimed that the PU will be dynamic and evolving over time. We may see large incursions of xenos for players to band together and fight, but it will not be for a long time. You're more likely to see 100 person sized combined arms battles between orgs in the next two years than you are to see big alium events outside of SQ42.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Raving_Cute
With them getting 90+ players in an instance
That's impossible, the netcode fundamentally caps at 64 based on the library the used. They have the server stitching and token system at least partially working. They probably don't have anything close to the max count per instance.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CouchChiller
Why do you keep posting this?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BlogWobbles
You're missing something: you can't get capital ships in there, but you can build capital ships once you're there. They just can't leave. So if the Diaspora builds anti-fighter platforms and capitals all over the fucking place it's going to still be a bitch to take.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Emberburn
Yes, Retaliators, Gladiators, and Eclipses are still a thing that threatens capital ships. That said, any independent power requires defensive capital vessels in case new jump routes are discovered that allow larger powers access, which is almost a certainty eventually. Additionally, knowing that the threat of the Eclipse exists allows you to adequately prepare for and defend against it with sufficient fighter screens and sensor technology. That it exists doesn't change the equation, just adds more tactical data to the plan.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StrangeWizard
That's impossible, the netcode fundamentally caps at 64 based on the library the used
Yeah I'm sure they haven't changed a thing with Crytek engineers and the source code on their side along with massive funding and years of development time.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Illusionz
I'm talking about the new code. CIG made a hire based on a paper about netcode that was never finished because CIG hired him. Per instance, the netcode only supports up to 64 players, by design. It was never meant to carry more players. The trick is taking those groups and joining them to make it appear like a single instance. Each instance has to manage its own group and hand those players off to each other with their tokens.
Think sections of a train. Everyone sees the same scene going by when they look out the window, but you can only have so many people per car. CIG making the metaphorical train was the novel trick. They never intended to have a crazy high player count per instance (train car) because that's impossible.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Fuzzy_Logic
Well the concept was waging war on the UEE. You can't really do that by holding a system that isn't even in UEE space. I mean, I get the point you are trying to make (and you're right), but its not really pertinent to the discussion of the Tevarin winning back their system(s).

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@LuckyDusty
Love to see some source on that, user!

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@AwesomeTucker
I don't remember the guy's name, or the paper I got frogs for days, but nothing useful when I need it. but it was on here a long ass time ago. Like maybe #80 or a little earlier. It was around the time they first mentioned the megamap tech.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TalkBomber
ah, so "fuck all" and "assumptions", my favorite kind of fact

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TalkBomber
All larpers must fucking hang
Right up there with the jews and niggers

JunkTop
JunkTop

@viagrandad
Actually it was Glenn Fiedler, but CIG didn't hire him. They were a top contributor to the yojimbo library which he wrote https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo

more quality reading.
https://gafferongames.com/

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TalkBomber
@LuckyDusty
CIG hired some guy half a decade ago who worked on a netcode that was limited to 64 players so I know for a fact that right now after the netcode rework that is taking place as we speak, it is also limited to 64. I also can't prove this even took place, regardless of how irrelevant it is

Now thats some fucking reaching, bravo. Especially after Erin said he wanted more than that on the current patch and 3.1

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@JunkTop
Didn't even hire the guy
Only mention of CIG is that they sponsored him

Next time you pass something off as fact take a step back and ask yourself if its really a fact or some headcanon

FastChef
FastChef

@Stark_Naked
@Spamalot
Actually you can eat a dick. See @JunkTop

Inmate
Inmate

@FastChef
get fucked it says star citizen on the page that proves everything I said!

"no"

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Tell me, will Star Citizen characters shit themselves when they die? They never tell you about how they all shit themselves.

Evilember
Evilember

@Fuzzy_Logic
in 2947 citizens ascended above scat fetish and all embraced the beauty of thicc grills

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PackManBrainlure
@Inmate
being this niggerish
what else do you want? why would CIG sponsor a library specific to netcode from some who specializes in networking with backer funds? this is the rewrite they applied and have said they are done with aside from polish, twice. you are being willfully ignorant if you think that isn't relevant.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Bidwell
why woun't you believe me when I've already been shown to be unreliable source of information! WAAAAHHHHH
You've made more claims and assumptions in this post. I'm not even the people who you are arguing with but even I can see that you are being unreasonable. Either provide sources for the claims you make or expect people to call you out on it and dismiss you.

Inmate
Inmate

@Methnerd
You want me to literally type the entire netcode AtV and everything CIG has mentioned on this and build a doctoral dissertation on a 4chin post?
It's not my fault if you don't keep up. CIG has said repeatedly what they are doing, and 90 people per instance is not how they are doing it. They have another way and it's important to make the distinction.
CIG clearly explained what server meshing is and how the token system works in a dedicated AtV
CIG make a specific contribution to a netcode library that suits their purposes exactly
CIG publishes a schedule that showed from April through at least June, netcode delays were pushing the schedule as they rewrote the netcode and ditched the rest of crynetwork (in the AtV).
CIG has no need for extreme player counts per instance because they described how they will solve the bottleneck of physics calculations for that many players while providing a means for the instances to be aware of and interact with each other.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROOFS.
fuck you

Playboyize
Playboyize

@FastChef
You have to do a lot better plebbit
you have to go back

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Inmate
You should get a job at CNN or any other jewish owned (((media outlet)))
You'll fit right in

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Inmate
You want me to
Your reading comp is shit. I already told you I'm not the people you were fighting with. But keep on going, this is better than a dancing bear.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Ahhhh! I can't make a decision between melting my Idris-P for a 2nd Polaris and 4 Eclipses or keep my current shit and then buy the Eclipses in-gayme in the hopes that they won't get a x12 slapped on the current 300.000'ish UEC

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@whereismyname

multiples of the same ship

Seriously, how many times are you gonna swap back and forth. These ships are gonna get changed so much over the next two years. Just get 1 of each and see how things play out till Beta 0.9.9

eGremlin
eGremlin

Chances of G.S.Y.B.E and Aphex Twin collaborating on a original procedural soundtrack?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@whereismyname
u r a dumby head
melt half and refund out until you have 3-4 ships, no duplicates, all lti, then get a hobby

Techpill
Techpill

@eGremlin
Zero. But an dark ambient IDM soundtrack would be pretty fucking sick.

What is everyone planning on jamming to in game?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Bidwell
no u

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@King_Martha

I genuinely want

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BinaryMan
Unlike other whales I have pals to waste time with =3

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Spazyfool
that looks gay as elton john touching george michael on the dick

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@King_Martha
looks like an electric razor

FastChef
FastChef

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/home-featured-content/16249-The-Anniversary-Special

w8t4u
w8t4u

@AwesomeTucker
Almost there!!!!

RavySnake
RavySnake

@AwesomeTucker
So, they did like 20 in a day?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@FastChef

November 25th – Aegis Dynamics

Let me buy the heckin reclaimer

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BinaryMan
November 24th – Anvil Aerospace

Let me CCU my BMM to a freaking Carrack.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@King_Martha
Of course it would have to be an exclusive that would wind up with NO fucking struts!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

cum2soon
cum2soon

@w8t4u
We're at best 3 weeks out for anything that's even remotely going to PTU

Nojokur
Nojokur

Man whoever made this PG city needs to be told off am I right?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@w8t4u
@cum2soon
If they average removing 15 bugs a day then they are 12 (work) days from done. That's about 2 and a half weeks (approx. Dec 5th)...which humorously puts it the day after the sale ends.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@GoogleCat
they fix 15 bugs a day and 20 more bugs are found that day

it will never end

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nojokur
bizarre, I've actually been there and the streets didn't feel remotely cookie cutter from the ground level, everything was actually rather haphazard and unique seeming.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@GoogleCat

So about March then...

JunkTop
JunkTop

@PurpleCharger
Probably two weeks from then

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

[inaudible squeaking]

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Evil_kitten
They fixed 20 between yesterday and today.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@BunnyJinx

You hear something?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Where is Plaxinov and guys, what happened to the server?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Raving_Cute
plz no

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Raving_Cute
tfw unironically still a member of Vederation because it was the first

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@RumChicken
still the biggest
still active
all the degenerates have been publicly shamed into becoming normal people
enforces anti cancer rules
it's like the group has been vaccinated against all the usual bullshit and is now immune.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

well that killed the thread pretty fucking quick

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Carnalpleasure
I thought that was kim jong un at first

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fried_Sushi
Sorry, I had to take a break from shitposting because my new stove was delivered.

Flameblow
Flameblow

With the anniversary sale around the corner, many people are banking on CCUing their BMM to one of the other $350 ships for free. Though back in May, CIG stated their intentions to change the $0 CCU system closer to 3.0. Do you think they won't make those BMM $0 CCUs available during the sale? I wonder if the thought has even crossed CIG's mind at all lately. Of course, I can't ask directly in Spectrum because I don't want to give them any ideas if it hasn't.

CIG has been greedy in the past, but do you think they will be THIS greedy?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efq71DNVKzg

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Stupidasole
tfw you have the specific kind of autism that makes this interesting

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Stupidasole

They have Xi'an music coming our way
Because of the way they live longer and perceive time and have a different heartbeat(?), the music could last more like a week instead of a typical hour or two long playlist

Oh BOI

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Stupidasole
military has it's own language
everybody speaks it due to mandatory service

quickly becoming a xi'anaboo

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

/vg/thread/195953780#p195953780
/vg/thread/195953780#p195953780
/vg/thread/195953780#p195953780
I made this anticipating you guys would hit the post limit within the hour goddamn

Emberburn
Emberburn

my laincher just started a 45GB download
hold me /scg/

askme
askme

@FastChef
That profile thing is actually a really good idea to reinforce how different the ship designs is... Or do the opposite. But the ship profiles are so different from ship to ship that I don't see that being a problem.

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