/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #630

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

''Tea time'' Edition

Previous Thread: /vg/thread/195534954#p195534954

Life is Strange: Before the Storm Episode 2 Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk9de3ljHnw

Release Dates:
Episode 1 − ''Awake'' 31 August 2017 (Out Now)
Episode 2 − ''Brave New World'' 19 October 2017 (Out Now)
Episode 3 − ''Hell Is Empty'' (TBA)
Bonus Episode: Farewell − (TBA)

Life is Strange: Before the Storm features Chloe Price, a 16 year-old rebel who forms an unlikely friendship with Rachel Amber, a beautiful and popular girl destined for success. When Rachel’s world is turned upside down by a family secret, it takes their newfound alliance to give each other the strength to overcome their demons. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.

Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn hella gay and rewind time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.

Official Website:
http://lifeisstrange.com

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Strawpolls:
http://strawpoll.me/14286999
http://strawpoll.me/14287008
http://strawpoll.me/13834594
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All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk9de3ljHnw
http://lifeisstrange.com
http://store.steampowered.com/app/554620
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319630
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4chanlisg
http://orph.link/lisg
http://orph.link/lisgarchive
http://orph.link/story
http://orph.link/fanfic
http://imgur.com/a/DOAKn
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQJgF3NToUg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjPsOkijFh0
http://strawpoll.me/14286999
http://strawpoll.me/14287008
http://strawpoll.me/13834594
http://strawpoll.me/14047827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ovkTRTJZ0yacm6DDnHdkhrGz83DEpF8t/
https://instaud.io/kVV
https://instaud.io/kWb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-MOzwWySaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efF3sy6anio
https://streamable.com/2g13a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz9ZMD9KFNg
https://youtu.be/PRQPc-PK1gM
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/morbid-monday-the-macabre-romance-of-a-man-and-a-mummy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HFa2pOyGHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMw9-A3oaz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wfnvgdRMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-gRJy0zD4
https://archiveofourown.org/works/11684352
https://archiveofourown.org/works/12667683
BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Cutest girl in Arcadia Bay

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

MAX IS #1

Methnerd
Methnerd

BAE > bay

BFFs, Pirates, Wonder Twins, Partners in Time & Crime & Love, Fellow Dorks, GFs, Wives.
OTP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA

Flameblow
Flameblow

*marries your Chloe*
Heh, nothing personnel Michel

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ovkTRTJZ0yacm6DDnHdkhrGz83DEpF8t/

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Friendly reminder to not run mythics with randoms.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@BinaryMan
moar leik deadest

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CodeBuns
We love Max!
But we could never love her as much as Chloe does.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Reminder.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Chloe is #1

Spamalot
Spamalot

@ZeroReborn
trying to force your own attempt at a meme
Outstanding
Like the guy who repeats the joke because no one laughed so he thinks no one heard

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BinaryMan
I want more handholding in ep3!

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Spamalot
how dare people have fun in a way that I don't approve
better call it a meme, that'll show 'em
Hello, Maxfag.

girlDog
girlDog

somehow chris and max, end up in their female counterparts bodies and vice versa, they confront each other

"Chloe, give me back my body!"
"wow im even taller now!

"GODDAMIT IM A GIRL, FUCK MY VOICE IS HIGH TOO, HOW AM I MEANT TO INTIMIDATE MY ENEMIES NOW"

"woah...this is weird...i have muscles and im strong"

"YOU FUCKING WOMEN DID THIS MAX CANT CONTROL HER SHITTY POWER AND NOW I HAVE TITS AND A VAGINA...wait...i have tits and vagina...NO STAY FOCUSED, MY BODY BACK NOW"

"oh please! you two will learn a thing or two if we let you stay as girls" *teleports back to the guys dimension*

"did...they just leave...those bitches are stealing our dimension...CHRIS STOP LOOKING AT YOUR VAGINA"
"well maybe you should not have told them we were the better versions...kinda your fault dude"

"well at least im cute"

takes2long
takes2long

@Spamalot
I thought i was the only one who didn't find this thing even remotely funny

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

this is the user with the beta tester friend, while i trust them don't shoot the messenger if it's not exact
That eliot confrontation that other person was talking about is true, they said it may happen in the junkyard and thats right, in fact thats actually where the ep 3 promo pic comes from (where rachel looks defensive and chloe looks scared) rachel will defend chloe during eliot's creepiness as previously stated
Chloe is gonna visit drew/mikey in the hospital depending on your choices you will get more info about damon here but also the highly anticipated Steph conversation we thought was gonna be in episode 2
rachel's gonna get into some trouble with sera and damon (hence the ep 3 teaser) which prompts chloe to freak out and go after her.
toward the middle/end of the ep rachel suggests chloe dyes her hair, they go to her house and do it (depending on previous choices this might be a romance thing) i know this might seem weird considering chloe just thought rachel was kidnapped or something im try to get more info on the exact logistics
there will be some big shock moment that you won't see coming toward the ep with Sera
yes there will be another kiss
i should mention again that they did cut frank and rachel meeting bc they realized the timing wouldnt work with s1 as theyre being more careful about it since the critisism of times and stuff
also info leaker mentioned the steph scene i just found out about too already! i think you guys are gonna like it...
alot of people are asking if there will be more rachel and chloe scenes/a happy ending...a hard yes to both ;)
it will also be explained why sera is connected to ONLY frank in james' files
yes, rachel will go see chloe's house (its where they dye her hair)

there will be about 6 variations of the ending (may vary) alot determined on your relationship with rachel

5mileys
5mileys

@King_Martha
You can post anything you want
But stop pretending it's the height of comedy or creativity

massdebater
massdebater

@Spamalot
@takes2long
Reads like some /pol/ or r9k/ crap

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys
Nobody has ever called it that, you can untwist your knickers.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@BinaryMan
Can't argue with that

Evilember
Evilember

@Sir_Gallonhead
Before Episode 5's release:
Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
Jefferson knows about Max's powers
Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
Nathan get killed,Victoria too
Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
Warren explained Max's powers(!)(thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't or butterfly,bluejay just spiritualdoe
Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's storm summoner just it.
Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it
So, once again we got the fact that our ending always will be BAE>Bay

FastChef
FastChef

@Spamalot
Don't be so salty. It's funny.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Illusionz
Oh @FastChef

MPmaster
MPmaster

@takes2long
Yeah, me neither.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@massdebater
Yeah, that's what i thought as well

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Gigastrength
It's funny = It's the funniest thing imagineable, the pinnacle of modern, nay, all comedy, the best thing that came out of our generation
Ah, it's you, dreadful reading comprehension-senpai.

5mileys
5mileys

As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV

eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb

iluvmen
iluvmen

>>195623740
Now that's funny and true

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Sir_Gallonhead

These are the only info(s)&leaks about script I could gathered;

Rachel will be the influence that Chloe dyes her hair to the blue. They will do it when Rachel visited Chloe's home/room

Cringy guy's confrontation will most likely happen at junkyard or blackwell while hanging with Rachel. Remember depending your choices you could led him on (like saying no ;at start and intending to go play or not in ep2) then ditching him and forgot all about it. in ep1 you also could simply say maybe to his invitation and reply his hanging out after tempest with uncertain things responses or with maybe, or lie; you are gonna ditch the show or with truth ;that you will hang out with Rachel etc. Choices are there because these will also trigger his anger and change some dialogues

That ep3 teaser, latter scene, which was involved with Rachel's having trouble and Damon's threatening her (also kinda about Drew and Mikey situation) after phoneconversation;Chloe's concern about it. Earlier confrontation scene(cringy eliot) I am talking about first confrontation scene;which they may be change things and it may happen in blackwell either. But it will happen just right the time when Rachel and Chloe together.

Advice scene with Steph (and cute conversation, moment) is really coming this time btw. More details is in my other post

About Kiss scene: If you did earlier that action or got enough intimacy thing, it'll happen automatically,but if you did it'll get more intense.

++
They will confirm that Rachel's mom is really related with supernatural shit. Which I will explain on my next post

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Flameblow
@Supergrass
@whereismyname
MARRIED AS FUCK

Skullbone
Skullbone

Maxwell and Keith, in the alternate universe where everyone's gender flipped, would get coffee instead of pussy ass tea, right?

Evilember
Evilember

@TurtleCat
How many quest-related NPCs have your party members tried to stab with sharp objects yet ?

@Playboyize
You still suck, jelly poltard child

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Lunatick
it's funny
That's where you're wrong

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Reminder that you are officially permitted to ignore Michel's meme game

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Garbage Can Lid
++++++
Sera will want to escape with her daughter (for some reason that will make you shocked) . Chloe will be given option to let Rachel go with her mom, or she would want to keep her to herself (yeah whatever you saw that slate was true) However this won't affect course of events because like I said there will be another major thing happen. And don't worry nothing will seperate Rachel and Chloe in these 3 days and their relationship WON't GET DESTROYED

Sera's wanting to take Rachel away is obviously not related with gtfo that town with a car.. everything is related with supernatural stuff on there.And you will find out why Sera never gets mentioned. Also I am repeating this again; it won't damage Rachel and Chloe's relationship and one way or another you will get chill/happy endingg . There will be "feels" at the end yeah, but Chloe and Rachel will get their happy conclusion; this means any drama won't happen between them/they won't seperate. And if you went full romantic you will get your reward anyway. Like we said, there are two conclusions yet 6 variations; story will take you where it will want to go
Something big will get revealed during Damon'a confrontation and when you saw Sera..

++ About this hot scene...
Depending on your intimacy counter you will encounter witn flirty/romantic/lovey dovey dialogues throughout whole game -even some actions will happen during in panic moments- y'know that, at the ending there will be romantic moment between them. Lots of things will be going on. Now speaking of this "hot" scene, it will be on.. house.Ps. Don't expect exposed "spaghetti is the warmest food" scene

Bidwell
Bidwell

Who Chloe would save?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evilember
At least three, including myself.
A-are you stalking me, user?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spazyfool
Then we can also ignore Zak's fanfic, but we won't, because we're not delusional idiots who are going to bury our heads in the sand when we don't like a part of the canon.

Techpill
Techpill

@Bidwell
Rachel, obviously.
Max is a bad person and a terrible friend.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

"Isn't Max going to have PSTD in both of the endings?
Like in one ending she lost the only person she really loved and had all these experiences with people and then they ended up not happening because she went back in time and she now has experiences completely un-relatable to any other human. Or she's "responsible" for killing an entire town of people.
In either ending, she's pretty much a destroyed shell of a human who is destined to commit suicide within a few days, right? I notice that you keep writing your fanfiction about Max and Chloe that is set in paradise and how they will overcome all the obstacles together, which I know is possible, but don't you think that the reality is much darker than that?"

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BinaryMan
Post whatever you want, just don't pretend it's a pinnacle of comedy
Nobody's doing that
W-well you're still wrong
You moved those goalposts so far they're pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.

askme
askme

@BinaryMan
male max wouldent give a fuck

testosterone makes you a badass

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BinaryMan
Go read All Wounds and stop trying to make it seem like the only path for Max is death.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Skullbone
You seem like a nice person and I find it a funny way to develop you mene

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Bidwell
Rachel.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Boy_vs_Girl
I just want Chloe to stay in Rachel's room at the start of the episode and have a cute scene where she hugs and supports her emotionally

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@JunkTop
reposting a screencap from another thread
instead of just letting it go
pretending you don't think that you're the funniest person ever

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Bidwell
Rachel duh

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TalkBomber
caring about what other people post
instead of just letting it go
continuing to move goalposts

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@TalkBomber
im the author, i like my screencap guy

massdebater
massdebater

@TalkBomber
Are they new, or just same old amberfags desperate for a new shiposting ammunition?

Evilember
Evilember

@Stupidasole
Max made some mistakes in her life and the biggest was abandoning Chloe for five years because she was too scared of what could happen.
But she came back and made up for those mistakes, helped many people, and proved to herself that she was good enough for Chloe.
Max is awesome.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Bidwell
Yes Michelcuck, you can totally think whatever the fuck you want, no one cares

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Spazyfool
Sure and there's like 1.5 fags bitter enough about their game being shit to still find it surprising

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Bidwell
Rachie

MPmaster
MPmaster

I need money
fuck getting a job, I'm gonna smuggle drugs for this sketchy dude

this guy's a local psycho
why not suck his dick, it'll be fun

girl's missing
better not check the place she's been hanging around at

this guy is unstable
better try to blackmail him into giving me money

this unstable guy has a gun
better physically attack him

we've just found a body
let's not report it to the police

we've just been baited into going to the place where we found a body at night
let's not share our whereabouts with anybody so that if we're captured or killed, we're not going to be found

oh tornado
right, I forgot

I don't know what causes the tornado
I guess I'm just going to take this nerd's word for it
psyche, it's actually been me all along
psyche again, it's actually been my friend

tornado is coming
better not warn anybody about it

N I C E S T O R Y
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girlDog
girlDog

PLEASE DADDIES TWEET ME BACK TO CONFIRM MY HEADCANONS OTHERWISE I WON'T BE ABLE TO FUNCTION I HATE MAX AND MICHEL MAKE THEM GO AWAY
The state of BtSfags

Firespawn
Firespawn

kek, they deleted it. Pussies

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Evilember
Maxfags in my /lisg/

Kindly kill yourself, she's literally irredeemable garbage.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@askme
It would also make him do more stupid things. He would blow up the whole city, including male Chloe because he would use his powers too often and too much, thinking he was a superhero and badass.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@AwesomeTucker
Fuck you for using a Chloe image to bash Max. She would kick you in the dick but you'd probably like that because you're some kind of freak that enjoy feeling and causing pain.

FastChef
FastChef

@Gigastrength
Sounds more fun that what we got.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@AwesomeTucker
she's literally irredeemable garbage.
That title belongs to Rachol, user

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Snarelure
post unfunny things, which aren't original (you really think that never been done before?)
reply to yourself several times to get the ball rolling because no one thinks it's interesting
all at the height of BtS tard hours further confirming they're just /v/$/b/ tier memers

Bidwell
Bidwell

@AwesomeTucker
Don't bully Max.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@FastChef
Well it's not an action game, it is a story based. And they need to be more subtle and complicated

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evil_kitten
muh samefags ruining my fun
Ah jeez.

Lunatick
Lunatick

/vg/thread/195463107#p195515572

Snarelure
Snarelure

@VisualMaster
From Chloe to Max: xo xo

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@AwesomeTucker
irredeemable garbage
Well actually Rachel is technically the garbage since her semen filled corpse was in a trash heap

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Gigastrength
@FastChef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-MOzwWySaQ

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Snarelure
RPing as characters
Entirely contradicting who that character is and failing to act even remotely like them
How absolutely pathetic.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@girlDog
triggered tumblrMaxina

DeathDog
DeathDog

Rachel a shit

Lunatick
Lunatick

@VisualMaster
implying Chloe gives a shit about Max

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Finally the fandom is starting to see through Maxine's lies

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spazyfool
Do people who ask that shit on Twitter ever take a step back and think about their obsession?

Also, I foung another LiS song, noice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efF3sy6anio

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Gigastrength
International Terrorist Max Caufield is still at large, along with his accomplice Chris Price

whereismyname
whereismyname

"Hey! Don't you Presscock fucks ever talk that way about Rachel again! And if you EVER threaten or try to hurt Max, you will find yourselves eating every meal for the rest of your miserable lives through a straw!"

Skullbone
Skullbone

@BinaryMan
Easily

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Boy_vs_Girl
@Boy_vs_Girl
If you are intrigued about our scene with Steph here ya go, I got new and precise detail on there:

It's been already mentioned that Steph will have major role in this episode and yeah she will, but it is not like she will be villain or anything; she will help us 'coming out'. Steph will reveal that Chloe's being 100% into chicks they will talk about it and that moment Chloe will admit it openly; without using any subtle sentence; they will also talk about her -chloe's- "love" for Rachel. Depending on your choices Chloe will be more flustered while talking/and may even be insecure about Rachel's feelings for her (this will happen if your intimacy is lower) Ah now, I know that someone will mention that stuff in Chloe's outdated wallet from first game; I also asked anonymously messaged game dev about it to confirm it, like I really insisted that I wanna find out; and you guys were right, devs put it to imply that past phase, it stopped after Rachel. This is why they put that certain dialogue in there. So yes, Chloe's 100% into chicks only and this game/steph will confirm it. so whew. Finally we will get rid of this non-sense sexuality arguments.

++
Another good news for Steph fans
Yes, Steph will get BIGBIGCHLOBEAR hug, as she deserved :)

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Snarelure
you getting this triggered
absolutely pathetic

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Sir_Gallonhead
do you know if that scene is gonna be short like the other steph conversation or longer?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Garbage Can Lid
another point for male max as bros dont do this

and for chris and max it would just be "long time no see bro"

lmao women

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Gigastrength
It was old man /pol/ this whole time!

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sir_Gallonhead
Let's talk about these "cut" scenes in earlier episode 1 & episode 2 built.

-About Taylor thing: Weirdly enough, this girl was gonna be a lickspittle of Chloe and even in game files, there were implications that this girl was kinda hitting on Chloe too. Tries to talk with her constantly even Chloe wasn't hanging out at those times etc. The reason why they cut her from game though, to avoid these inconsistency arguments.

-About cut Neighbour scene (with truck) : I guess with this info, I will drop a bomb here heh... Anyway, I have already mentioned you that Chloe's truck was gonna be fixed in earlier events. Rather than "walking" to Rachel's house, they were gonna go there with Chloe's truck and whole conversation (yes damn, even kiss scene) was gonna happen there; with Chloe's truck/ under the lights. When Rachel got into her house they were gonna get busted again and forced to being in diner. The reason why they cut this is obviously add the latter chapter more screentime for developing truck. In a panic moment

-Remember, before episode 1 released I have already told you that Steph was gonna be into girls and "could" be into Chloe. During development, devs changed it; rather than being friendzoned figure to Chloe; they put her there as "sister material" for Chloe. And even if she seems into Rachel she is not rival and actually her existence triggers romance between Rachel and Chloe, she there to help Chloe, this is why she supports her no matter what.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BinaryMan
Yes but shhhh

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RavySnake
Life is strange: Testosterone Edition

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sir_Gallonhead
Another cut scenes, but you knew these from codes anyway.
-As you all know THEY CUT selling weed to drama kids (and prior to this confrontation with skeevy guys to leave more stuff for future chapter).. we were also gonna have same interaction with cringy guy in tempest backstage with other npcs instead of parking lot. Later, they decided to put that cringy guy to the parking lot but context didn't change. They also cut Steph's being at tempest (advice scene was gonna happen there). We were gonna see Mikey and Drew's dad at backstage and depending on our choices earlier we could have "not nice" conversation with him.

@Garbage Can Lid
Longer. Also Steph will have more screentime in this episode, as I told you

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Garbage Can Lid
That was one of the most delusional things I've read in a long time. Why are some of the BtS such bitter assholes looking to make Max into some villain or erase away the first game?
Yeah the first game had some flaws, but it had some awesome things as well and is the entire reason BtS exists in the first place. There's a section of Amberprice shippers who are absolutely insane and vindictive towards Max just because of what happens to their character, which they already knew about.
They knew what they were getting into and now they try to make futile wishes that it doesn't happen.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@VisualMaster
@w8t4u
@ZeroReborn
@Bidwell
Rachel didn't murder an entire town full of innocent people or cowardly let her best friend get murdered by some rich ass prick after all the things they went through together.

It's pretty obvious who is the real irredeemable piece of shit, also this is coming from an ex-Pricefield shipper.

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
ex-Pricefield shipper
my brotha in arms!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@King_Martha
Try harder.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@King_Martha
@Inmate
add at end that you used to ship Pricefield
Oh goodness the BtStards are becoming more intelligent

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Lord_Tryzalot
One day you will see the truth and that truth is that NoirAngel1995 has been lying to you since the very beginning.
Embrace her true self

Illusionz
Illusionz

@King_Martha
trannies don't count

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@GoogleCat
Fuck off, Bayest.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@King_Martha
from an ex-Pricefield shipper.
Well, i'm an ex-Amberprice shipper, and let me tell you Rachel is disgusting and the way she trated Chloe is unforgivable.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Deadlyinx
I only shipped it out of spite for Warrenfags to be perfectly honest

idontknow
idontknow

@Skullbone
We were gonna see Mikey and Drew's dad at backstage and depending on our choices earlier we could have "not nice" conversation with him.
woow I didn't know that

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@JunkTop
@King_Martha
@Inmate
girls, girls, your both inferior to Max and Chris

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Stupidasole
Are you finnaly over your gender dysphoria, tranny?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Leakerfag give us info on where the Episode starts or bust

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Stupidasole
>>195626906
Why are you spamming unrelated content?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@King_Martha
pretty much this
i want to see Chloe's smile getting protected but not by Max

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evil_kitten
think your mistaking me for someone else user

@PackManBrainlure
because the truth is men are competant

Emberfire
Emberfire

Tea party? Chloe tagged along but she likes coffee better.

idontknow
idontknow

@Emberfire
Chloe is with Rachel, user.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Snarelure
Rachel of Zak-verse will protect her wife forever

Lunatick
Lunatick

@idontknow
Rachel is dead, sweetie

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Evil_kitten
mfw watching you all of yesterday and today lash out at people that aren't me

You truly are Nathan

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat
think your mistaking me for someone else user
If only that were the case, but alas...

Illusionz
Illusionz

@idontknow
hell yeah

Lunatick
Lunatick

At the tea/coffee outing, Kate brought along her sketchbook and Max brought along her latest album so they could show off their wok. Chloe brought along encouragement and some baked goods from Joyce.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Deadlyinx
people can't ditch their pairings and embrace new ones

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Evilember
what does /pol/ have to do with me you delusional amberfag?

TreeEater
TreeEater

>>195627648
Doesn't want to believe Rachel is dead
Has an irrational hatred of Max
They really are Nathan...

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Nojokur
i dont care. i just find it funny you sjws cant handle chadfield. beta phag.

takes2long
takes2long

@Lunatick
things that never happened outside your delusional mind

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Gigastrength
Like I said we don't know exact info for locations because devs might changed its orders. BUT to the context I can say that it will start at Amber's house spending night at there and their gtfoing from there after that most likely

idontknow
idontknow

@Fuzzy_Logic
sjws
here
/pol/, plz

TechHater
TechHater

im so glad /lisg/ has somewhat returned to form, ya'll

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I have a feeling the fire is going to burn down Rachel's house in the final episode and that will be what makes her stay in the town and will also be the punishment for her actions.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
my fucking sides

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@haveahappyday
didnt i read that on tumbleh already

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Crazy_Nice
But is Chloe gonna craddle emotionally vulnerable Rachel in her arms and hush all her sorrows away this is important.

Techpill
Techpill

@TechHater
ill be back when i have the effort to make a new story of the females getting btfo

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@DeathDog
Of course she will. Like we said there will be so "adorable,romantic" moments/gestures between them. And the one you are mentioning is just 'start'

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BunnyJinx
Will my heart survive?

idontknow
idontknow

@haveahappyday
In all seriousness though, that's very stupid because if the fire was anywhere close to the populated areas people would have been evacuated swiftly.
Higher chance that her mutant fire powers will set another fire in the house

Techpill
Techpill

@GoogleCat
I... don't know. You may possibly have a heart attack from joy. After seeing those adorable, romantic moments especially

w8t4u
w8t4u

@idontknow
Those lit candles fell to the floor when she smashed the table. I was disappointed the rug didn't catch fire.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Techpill
that wouldn't be the worst way to die actually

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

TGA doesn't even nominate BtS for best soundtrack
nominates the new Mario though
SAD!

JunkTop
JunkTop

in case anyone wanted to know what is being said at the end of ep 2 when it is just white noise right before rachel smases the table (these are from the game files. also it should be noted that it isn't the voice actors saying these lines not that it would matter bc you can't even tell in game but it sounds like zak and mallory maybe)
James:
1- I will not be disrespected in my own home
2- That is private family business
3- I'm not going to take anymore of this
4- Rose let me handle this
Rose:
1- She's just a girl, and she's Rachel's friend
2- James what is she talking about?
3- Don't dodge my questions
( I thought those were interesting bc it shows maybe rose didnt know james was seeing sera)
Chloe:
1- Not that you know anything about loyalty
2- You should worry about respecting your wife
3- Then you should be less public with your affair

RumChicken
RumChicken

@JunkTop
Interesting would it be more or less the correct order?:

>She's just a girl, and she's Rachel's friend / Not that you know anything about loyalty
I will not be disrespected in my own home
You should worry about respecting your wife
That is private family business
James what is she talking about?
Rose let me handle this
Don't dodge my questions
I'm not going to take anymore of this
Then you should be less public with your affair

Why are spoiler tagging this tho even

I think Rose knows James met weith Sera, but I'm not sure if she knows they got lovey dovey under the tree

Flameblow
Flameblow

Max loves her Chloe

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

playing this game for the first time
find Rachel's body

No fuck no WHY

eGremlin
eGremlin

@VisualMaster
playing Michel's meme game
You have only yourself to blame

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Flameblow
but Chloe loves Rachel

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Flameblow
Chloe loves her Max.

@Fried_Sushi
She did love her and part of her always will, but Max is there for her and Rachel worked hard to see them together.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Fried_Sushi
Rachel loves Chloe too

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
I can't play games unless I play them in the date of release

I have bts but am not allowed to play it until I complete this one

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Chloe loves her Max

Playboyize
Playboyize

Max is truly the dumbest and worst time manipulator of all fiction

Methshot
Methshot

@SomethingNew
just remember that the plot is retarded and to not treat it too seriously

Flameblow
Flameblow

@BunnyJinx
@DeathDog
My heart...

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@JunkTop
@RumChicken
Ohho, Chloe really put him in his place.

About your question about Rose she actually knows her husband's affair with Sera but she is.. how can I word it.. she is acting unconscious about it and you will find out the reason soon.

w8t4u
w8t4u

tfw like both amberprice and pricefield

why not just ship both, anons?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

/vg/thread/195551129#p195569581
Rachel Amber and Chloe Price, the ultimate couple, hugging each other as they are driven back to their penthouse suite home with their two children after a week at the hospital, happy to finally be together and at peace! As they retire to their marital bed, Rachel whispers into Chloe's ear that she wants two more children and stripping down while their children restfully sleep! The ex-delinquent is all too happy to oblige his perfect, beautiful, and superior wife!
Max Caulfield, ultimate cuckqueen, is throwing a fit, breaking tables and making a mess of Warren Graham's, the sweet geek boy's, pots and pans in her impotent rage at Chloe getting away from her! Warren tries to calm her down but she isn't having any of it, punching the boy in the face and leaving him hurt and wounded on the floor! Warren quietly sobbing as he pulls out a small Christmas card, crying his tears onto it - a love confession to his crush, Max Caulfield! As Max storms off to vent her rage elsewhere, Warren reaches into his pocket and pulls out his phone to make an emergency back-up Drive-in plan...
I love the stable courtship and lives of the Amber-Price family, with Max Caulfield, ultimate cuckqueen and all-around awful human being, out of the picture forever!

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Flameblow
https://streamable.com/2g13a

WE FEEL IT COMIN'

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@w8t4u
Because one side shuts their eyes and covers their ears to anything not to their liking

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Crazy_Nice
both sides do that

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@w8t4u
Because Chloe and Rachel belong together
I don't mind pricefieldfags as long as they keep to their side of the sanbox though.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@lostmypassword
probably she shuts her eyes to his affairs because of his money.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Spamalot
Pricefield always acknowledged how Rachel was important to Chloe and how she was there for her and BtS confirmed a romantic aspect for at least a short time. But also how Rachel eventually got into drugs and sleeping with various men
Amberprice just dismisses everything outside the prequel as fan fiction of an insane Max
Yeah no

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@lostmypassword
unconscious as in "willfully ignorant" or as in "witch mom Sera pulled out her magic wand and obliviated the bad memories from her mind"

Inmate
Inmate

@Nude_Bikergirl
I asked so many questions other leak user lately now it is your turn
what's up with this eliot guy? everybody in fandom saying poetry is harmless -while I am thinking it totally isn't. those stupid people are wrong right? and will he harass Chloe?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Lunatick
This

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Inmate
yes he will harass chloe

girlDog
girlDog

@haveahappyday
Well.. briefly, let's just say.. she is naive .Knows what is going on but acts like everything is normal.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Reminder that THIS is what actually happens in S1

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Lunatick
This seems to be the case a majority of times. There have been a few idiots on the Pricefield side shitposting about Rachel in a reactive way, which isn't good. But most respect who Rachel was to Chloe, like Max did in the game. Meanwhile, there's some trying to talk endless shit about Max or write off everything she did and it seems to be a majority of what Amberprice fan are trying to push. It is different.
I'm happy to discuss both games within their context but if I'm forced by rabid idiots trying to act like the original game doesn't exist to pick one side, I know which one I am picking.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Stupidasole
So those stupid people who are calling him and his poetry as harmless are "wrong" ? And who is gonna save us?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@girlDog
So they are literally a typical richfag family.
Lmao

WebTool
WebTool

@Sharpcharm
yes, rachel's gonna save you

cum2soon
cum2soon

Are there even good dads in Arcadia Bay now that William is dead?
This game is very misandrist desu

TechHater
TechHater

@cum2soon
Richard Marsh

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberfire
tfw you're proven right by Amberprice stupidity so often it behind to wear you down

TreeEater
TreeEater

@whereismyname
cackle
get rekt Max

takes2long
takes2long

@TreeEater
Fuck off, Bayest

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@w8t4u
I'm in the same boat. But I see Pricefield more as BFFs that crush on each other, it's a totally different dynamic because on paper they seem like polar opposites now, but they are still the same friends who grew up together.

Chloe and Rachel, I can't imagine them as just friends. They were romantically involved from the minute they met.

Both Amberprice and Pricefield are beautiful in their own ways, and I know Rachel would want Chloe to be happy with Max in whatever way works out.

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
I like how everyone is Bayest now

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Lunatick
pricefieldcucks seriously rejects the existence of the bay ending and believe everyone is well and allive in the bae ending and that max and chloe wouldn't suffer from any trauma and it's all unicornies and rainbows, etc...

both sides are delusional desu

Illusionz
Illusionz

@kizzmybutt
That's pretty much what they were.
Amberprice was a romance that started out strong and then became a friendship, though Rachel never informed Chloe of that change. Which is where problems arise.
Pricefield was a strong friendship that faded with their seperation, reconnected, and then quickly began growing into more and would continue to grow.

Both are real, but one had a definite endpoint. Both Max and Rachel care about seeing Chloe happy and for a time that meant her and Rachel being together. After a point, that no longer became possible, but Max being with Chloe is possible and is something both of them want.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Reminder to love and support your local Rachel

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Spazyfool
strawmen
Nice

w8t4u
w8t4u

how long until pricefieldfags realize they won't force anyone to care about their S1 memes. It seems like it's a tough nut to crack for them

Emberfire
Emberfire

@haveahappyday
nice ''argument''

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@WebTool
Tysm. So you said you have betatester friends.. did they see endings and? and did they say there will be happy ones and romantic depenant to our choices? what i am asking here is it isn't speculation right i mean did they see it?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Spazyfool
Bay Ending: Optional ending that many argued against for their own valid reasons and so they ignore it because they did not choose it
Rachel's death: Integral plot point and one of the driving forces of the entire first game
Not even close to the same.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Illusionz
Rachel never informed Chloe of that change
S1 implies that either Chloe's feelings were one-sided or Rachel banged her head too hard on a brick wall and completely missed the fact that Chloe wanted to stuck fingers under her hood, because that letter in the junkyard isn't written like something you'd address to an ex- or current romantic partner.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@PurpleCharger
thats right it will be happy

girlDog
girlDog

@idontknow
With the reemergence of shit copypastas, unfunny edits, and attempts to force the same memes over and over. It's clear who is at least partly responsible.

Inmate
Inmate

@Nude_Bikergirl
S1: Optional game that many argued against for their own valid reasons and so they ignore it
Same

w8t4u
w8t4u

@kizzmybutt
Pricefield is slow burn romance, which feels more right. They also known/missing each other for years. Love became passionate as time passed

Amberprice.. well Rachel was Chloe's first love/crush. They were teenagers and they were experiencing the love for the first time, especially Chloe. Its sexual tension grew fast and aftsr some point -like years after- the other girl's mistakes (Rachel) damaged this relationship while the other one still loved her.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@w8t4u
How long until amberprice tards stop denying that Rachel slept with half the town, was a pathetic heroin junkie, and ended up as part of the trash heap

Supergrass
Supergrass

@girlDog
a new game releases which brings more people to the general
SURELY ITS ALL THE SAME PERSON MAKING PASTAS AND MEMES

Bidwell
Bidwell

@girlDog
People aren't having fun the same way I'm having fun
Must be that one guy samefagging and posting from seven phones at once
Bloody hellfire.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Spazyfool
nice falseflagging desu

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Illusionz
I don't know if I would agree that it was just a friendship at any point. More than likely it was in some sort of grey area or Chloe probably would have been a little less upset. I'm not sure if it was the drugs, Rachel questioning her sexuality or a combination of several things but she didn't appear to be in a very good place mentally at the end, and was acting very uncharacteristic of herself and making all sorts of unexplainably poor decisions.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@w8t4u
Don't bother user
You'll just get met with fanfic and maxyne memes
The general is only a few months from dying

massdebater
massdebater

@RavySnake
Never because it doesn't happen in BtS-verse and no one cares about frenchies and their attempts at joke which is S1

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@King_Martha
yeah but I was asking "did your betatester friends tell this to you" and totally not a speculation?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Illusionz
I know that and agree. The letter, and the way Chloe speaks about Rachel, doesn't sound like a relationship or ex. But BtS shows the possibility for a romance between them. Which is why I think whatever they had never got defined or to put it crudely they were friends with benefits.
Chloe and Rachel had feelings for each other at the start when they met, Rachel's feelings changed at some point, but she didn't tell Chloe because she didn't want to hurt her and possibly because Rachel didn't think she needed to tell her. If they weren't officially together then they wouldn't need to officially breakup. Chloe's feelings for Rachel still clearly remained but Rachel stopped responding to her advances. Chloe still help out hope that one day they would go back to how they were.
It sounds childish but by that point Rachel was doing things and not thinking them through fully or trying to keep everyone satisfied. It was a complicated situation but Rachel always did genuinely care about Chloe as a friend.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RavySnake
How long until you people realize that Max never would have had the chance to save Chloe if not for this girl?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Boy_vs_Girl
yes

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Reminder to ignore Trannyfaggot and falseflagging vicky cicky retard.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@New_Cliche
Did anybody ever deny that? the first game all but confirmed it was Rachel who gave Max the power.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@New_Cliche
why do you get so triggered by Victoria Nathyn?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@RumChicken
Rachel's feelings changed at some point, but she didn't tell Chloe because she didn't want to hurt her and possibly because Rachel didn't think she needed to tell her
That doesn't align with the tone of the letter. It's written like something a typical teenage girl would write to her bestest friendstest foreverstest, not something somebody would consider sending to a person they know has/had a crush on them. And you'd have to be blind to not notice Chloe "Subtlety isn't actually my middle name" Price drooling over your tits.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@New_Cliche
Except that most pricefielders admit Rachel helped Chloe before and was the doe that guided Max

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StrangeWizard
You speak awfully ill of the girl who basically allowed Pricefield to have a chance to exist.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RumChicken
But you guys haven't seen Episode 3 yet.. you are talking so sure abour Rachel didn't love Chloe in that way but she did. The logic of choice system was how much you encourage Rachel.. but she also has hots for Chloe subtly, if you open her heart for her, Rachel also feels she is ready for it.

A lot happened in 3 years gap for Rachel's personality, but in this game it was just how it was.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@w8t4u
I agree with this. Though I would say Max only really did realize what her feelings for Chloe truly were during the first week they were back together. Chloe probably questioned her feelings for Max for some time and eventually came to the conclusion it was love, but that was after Max had moved away. Chloe thought she was never going to get to act on those feelings so she tried to ignore them and focus on Rachel, who was there as the time and was a love she could act on.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Firespawn
S1 is set in the universe of BtS's friendship route, that's why everything goes to shit there.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Firespawn
That's why she didn't send the letter. There was a lot more written that was simply crossed out.
Rachel was very well aware of Chloe's feelings.

@Garbage Can Lid
I don't speak poorly of Rachel. I speak fairly of her. Of what she did right and what she did wrong.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Garbage Can Lid
And again, most pricefield shippers appreciate what Rachel did for Chloe, accept that they probably dated before the prequel confirmed it and accepted that Rachel was the one who at least played a part in Maxs powers to save Chloe. They also accept that max messed up by never texting Chloe and making her feel abandoned
Amberprice refuses to accept that Rachel made her own mistakes of getting into hard drugs and cheating on Chloe or breaking her heart earlier and moving them back into friendship before it unfortunately led to her death

FastChef
FastChef

@Supergrass
I don't think there's a friendship route doe AmberPrice. Like leaker anons said the kiss in ep 3 will happen whether you have chosen a strictly friendship route anyway. But the romance points will make it more intense

I just think Dontnod left their relationship open enough for it to be ambiguous, but d9 gave no choice for a strict friendship.
The only thing we don't know is whether they kept on dating for three years and they were official, or if BtS was them fooling aorund and then remaining friends.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Soft_member
A lot did happen in the 3 year gap but some are trying to act like none of it happened. The prequel only does cover 3 days so of course things were going to different and it makes sense for both Rachel and Chloe to latch onto a new relationship that seemed to be the best thing at the time. People are now trying to figure out how and when things started to change and if Episode 3 offers insight to that then great.

takes2long
takes2long

@Supergrass
Just banging out heads on a brick well

RumChicken
RumChicken

all this autistic screeching about people having a different interpretation of a piece of entertainment

5mileys
5mileys

@w8t4u
Pricefield is slow burn romance, which feels more right
I generally agree with this idea, however I didn't really feel a romance with PriceField myself. Not trying to shitpost or anything, but even after they kissed I always saw them as bffs.
Like, there was no tension. I know they knew each other for very lonf, so it wouldn't be like Rachel with Chloe, but there was still not enough sexual/romantic tension between them imo.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@RumChicken
Theres no interpreting Rachels dead body in the trash yard

Evilember
Evilember

@5mileys
you just opened a can of worms, oops

cum2soon
cum2soon

@FastChef
Everyone knew Chloe had romantic feelings for Rachel. The biggest unknown was what Rachel felt and now we see what she felt, at least at the start. We also know Rachel changed over time and she began hiding a lot of things. Which I believe only gave Chloe the wrong idea since she was then seeing Rachel from an idealized perspective. If Rachel was trying to let Chloe down easy, her actions were making the goal even more difficult.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@5mileys
there was no tension
Christ so you didn't even play the game then

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BinaryMan
there is no way to force people to not treat S1 as an AU or Maxyne's personal journey through purgatory or anything else if they wish so

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@5mileys
There was plenty of tension and chemistry. It started off a little flirts that became mutual, and then intimate moments. The kiss itself wasn't much of a romantic moment, but it clearly had an effect on the both of them and showed there was an interest. Things changed between them after that and there was more flirting, looking, touching, and thinking about each other. Pricefield develops slowly and a lot of it requires looking into the future past the game.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@kizzmybutt
Well there's no way to probe BtS isn't Rachel's personal journey through purgatory after getting killed

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@kizzmybutt
Those people are objectively wrong then and believing in an expansive headcanon. Fine if they want to but they can't speak as if they care about facts about the game. And so trying to act like dismissals of the first game are valid is pure shitposting.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
Pricefield is strictly subtext in game and a lot of it requires relying on fanfiction and headcanon.
fixed

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Deadlyinx
strictly subtext in game
HAHAHA

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Stupidasole
There is no such thing as 'objectively wrong' when it comes to discussing fiction

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Burnblaze
I played, and honestly I even tried shipping them. But I was always meh regarding their romance.
I really like them as friends and their whole backstory. I also prefer Pricefield over Max and Warren.
But regarding Chloe and Rachel, it just feels way more romantic and sexually charged.
I know Max is not a sexual person in general either. But...still.
there was more flirting, looking, touching, and thinking about each other

Flirting where? Only thing that came close to flirting after the kiss was the pool scene. And it was so short lived that could be ignored. I mean, they could have added more Chloe checking out Max, or vice versa. But I didn't even see that.

Then of course Max seemed jealous in her dream, but that wasn't supported enough from previous episode imo, so it felt like Dontnod just added this for the people who like gay ships and have a Chloe vs Warren subplot too.

Techpill
Techpill

@AwesomeTucker
Is that the "There are infinite universes because they just exist and fiction has no rules" cop out?
Fiction can have their established facts as part of their canon. To stray outside of that is to be wrong if you're trying to argue about an actual element of the story.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Skullbone
it felt like Dontnod just added this for the people who like gay ships
This happened

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
There are objective facts in everything
Rachel is dead is perhaps the most solid one

FastChef
FastChef

@Skullbone
@RavySnake
And yet a no subtly jump into bed romance like Chloe and Rachel isn't fanservice
Outstanding mental.gymnastica

Emberburn
Emberburn

@FastChef
It is, yes. So?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Skullbone
There's plenty of mutual advances between Max and Chloe and I'm not even sure anyone's made a full chart like some other things because I don't think anyone's missed them before. They are best friends but throughout the week they clearly start to become more and by the end they are clearly going to be together.
Amberprice and Pricefield are opposites in that one starts strong and falls apart and the other starts slow and builds up. I know it's hard to see something you like and don't want to believe it ended, especially in such a terrible way, but if you're trying to speak about the actual games then that's required with Amberprice.
Don't mistake the blatant shows of romance in BtS as being more genuine than the subtle ones in LiS. Max and Rachel are different people, and even Chloe behaved differently when with either of them.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@5mileys
I agree, there was barely any actual romance tension between them, if any.
Hell, there are more evidences of Max being to attracted to Warren than Chloe.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@happy_sad
Stop confirming that you never read the journal entries
It just makes you look stupid

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@happy_sad
Now you're done it. You're just being silly now or trolling.

askme
askme

This is Max.
She loves Chloe and photography.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Raving_Cute
@Techpill
"Rachel is dead" is a fact of the narrative of S1 and saying she didn't died there as per confines of that game's narrative would be objectively wrong, yes. Or at least it would be questionable since there are no solid implications that she might have not died.
Saying "BtS is an AU" is not objectively wrong since the games are seperate and unless there's a solid narrative connection between the two you can interpret it however you like especially since the universe of the game allows for the, yes, existence of parallel timelines and even the devs say it's fine to do it if you wish so.

It's literally no different than blocking out the Bay ending from your mind and thinking up a happy post Bae headcanon. Just get over it, people will interpret their fictional stories as they see fit. And no, no one cares you think they are delusional or wrong. Other people think YOU are delusional/ wrong too. Who cares.

cum2soon
cum2soon

even Eliot loved Chloe more than Max did

Lmao, sad!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@FastChef
Wait, is it actually confirmed that a kiss happens even if you choose the friendship route? I interpreted leaknon differently.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Need_TLC
Love that image, user.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@FastChef
Not jumping into bed is actually a proof of better romantic chemistry

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@askme
And donuts

Spamalot
Spamalot

@askme
She's cute.
Chloe writes: This artsy motherfucker loves photography more than life itself and definitely more than me
Max says: Sorry, San Francisco. Chloe comes first.
I really do like how BtS does show Chloe's anger and sadness but also that she never ever hated Max.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Lord_Tryzalot
Well the devs were giving a meme reply to a Nathan meme Twitter account
Bae and Bay are two sides of the same coin because both are equally possible as canon (regardless which you think is better).
Rachel is dead
But if you say anything can be an AU then this makes any fictional work ever pointless because you can just consider things different if you hate them

eGremlin
eGremlin

First time playing this
So Jefferson and Nathan are jailed

I've been in the San Fran gallery for 40 mins and talked to everyone and seen every art piece how do I progress?

Is this a glitch or a really lazy ending

If it is episode 5 is super short...

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@DeathDog
starts slow and builds up
Well to be fair, we don't know how things would end up for Pricefield either. We just saw the first week they met after like 5 years of not seeing each other.
And we don't even know who Chloe would chose between Max and Rachel either.

If we dig deep enough, there are romantic hints definitely. I just personally feel they were crumbles from the developers to give something for the Pricefield shippers to make their ship more solid. It didn't feel like the studio was fully on the board right from the beginning.
With D9 there is a clear difference and they don't shy away from it

farquit
farquit

@Ignoramus
I'm not a Warrenfag, but someone could argue that Max was just trying to deny her attraction to Warren by this.
You know, like a tsundere in love. And the game gives you the option to also kiss him, so you can't say she that wasn't attracted to him.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@eGremlin
Seriously why I am I stuck in the San Fran art gallery

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Burnblaze
Yes it is. Unless I'm reading the spoilers wrong, because leaker anon's English wasn't clear enough in that part.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@eGremlin
Probably a glitch but you're just missing Chloe showing up at the gallery to surprise Max
As they stand arm in arm, Max sees the blue butterfly float by and land on her entry. She turns to Chloe who turns back to her and they look deep into each other's eyes. Max giggles and says: "You know, Life is hella strange."

Emberburn
Emberburn

@PackManBrainlure
And we don't even know who Chloe would chose between Max and Rachel either.
With everything learned and in the open, she would choose Max. Possibly always choose Max.
Not that there is a choice because Rachel is gone. She can't be there for Chloe even if she wanted to, but she could help Max and Chloe.

@farquit
There's more than that. She also writes "ew" when Dana suggested they are together, she practically does a facepalm when Chloe says "That boy is so in love with you", and you can have the entire option to even kiss Warren removed.
It's not tsundere or reluctance, it's just not there.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I wish they included some of the unused audio. Some of it was really good.
There'll be another contest, Max...you won't get another Chloe

likme
likme

@CodeBuns
Go sit in front of your own picture.
Unless you're baiting me, in which case I'm gonna find you and slap you, punk.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Crazy_Nice
That's hella cute

Lunatick
Lunatick

@cum2soon
Is obsession love?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Chloe REALLY loves her Max

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Crazy_Nice
Chloe REALLY loves her Max
Max

That's a really weird way to spell Rachel.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evil_kitten
user pls
Chloe does not partake in necrophilia

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Emberburn
She also writes "ew
All of her ewing and acting grossed out could very well be her trying to deny it because she feels embarrassed. Some people, especially introverts like max would definitely act like that when asked about their crush.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Harmless_Venom
Hmm maybe in circumstances where she doesn't crush hard on Chloe in her diary and calls her and Chloe ying and yang

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Stupidasole
They are both dead though so...
Like Jeffershit said, fucking in heaven.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

You guys recommended Gone Home. Played it. It was okay, but not as amazing as some made it out to be.

And I presume many did because of the teenage lesbian romance in it. Would everyone had praised it as much if it were two teen boys in love? I doubt it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@LuckyDusty
Amberprice so desperate now that they want Chloe dead
What the fuck is wrong with you people

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Lord_Tryzalot
I don't know where you heard people singing it high praises, but if it was in this general, whoever did it deserves a sharp kick to the stomach.

Would everyone had praised it as much if it were two teen boys in love?
No. Just like if it were a guy and a grill. Lesbians sell, plain and simple.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Booteefool
Acting as if Bay ending is not canon
Who's the delusional now.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Crazy_Nice
Aww.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@whereismyname
acting as if either is canon alone
As much as people here hate Bay and how they ended the story in general, it's still a dual canon ending

Supergrass
Supergrass

@RavySnake
Lesbians sell
Lesbians is still a niche genre. And it was popular before the whole sexuality thing became wide spread.
It was just one of the first story-driven games, that is not a "game" exactly, and it contained the horror genre too. It was one of the few in this type of games. Had it been more like that, it wouldn't be so popular because the writing was bad.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CouchChiller
Well the devs were giving a meme reply to a Nathan meme Twitter account
Nice handwaving. No, he wasn't giving a "meme" reply and the guy clearly wasnt asking a joke question and he also explained his reasoning afterwards and the dev acknowledged it.
But if you say anything can be an AU then this makes any fictional work ever pointless because you can just consider things different if you hate them
This is literally what humanity has been doing since the dawn of times though? Molding fiction to their liking. Do you think Disney's The Little Mermaid is bad fanfic because in the original the mermaid never got the guy and dissociated into ocean foam and died?
Or how the Bible is pointless since it has been rewritten for centuries to fit the agendas of whoever was in charge at the time?
Or how the 1996 Romeo and Juliet with DiCaprio is just a shitty modern AU fanfic? Is The Force Awakens a shitty fanfic since it;s a story by different people who took a well established conclusion, wrote their own story of what happens next and simultaneously deleted years of expanded universe?
What is even "canon"? Is it just the pure vision of the original creators? Well in that case BtS can't be canon by definition. Is it the version of whoever holds the rights? Then if I were to buy Square Enix and make a game about Chad Max breaking the fabric of reality to save Rachel and punch the tornado would you accept it as "canon"?
It's all fiction. no one should give a shit about the version of events you constructed in your mind but you. If you are aware that your ending will never be canon to some people then the concept that some different people might choose to see BtS as seperate timeline shouldnt be this hard to accept EVEN if you don't personally agree. And in case of this particular franchise the universe DOES allow it technically.
It really isn't that serious.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberfire
Then if I were to buy Square Enix and make a game about Chad Max breaking the fabric of reality to save Rachel and punch the tornado would you accept it as "canon"?
Not him, but yes.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberfire
Amberprice tards have literally broken down into rambling autistic blobs

cum2soon
cum2soon

@RavySnake
No this general. Just on the net and /v/ the odd time about "muh feels games".

@Supergrass
It's probably more about the "so progressive" thing than the lesbian part. People just aren't as comfortable watching two men snog.

horror genre
Really don't understand that part. The ghost stuff and the game coming back for his games were just red herrings.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@StrangeWizard
better than the KKK pricefield members acting like Michel sancity police

FastChef
FastChef

NOOOOOOO NOO WHERE'S MY FUCKING RETCON ZAK?

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG RACHEL ISN'T DEAD GUYS ARGGGGGGGGGG NOO NOO JUST THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING FUCKING UNFAIR JUST FUCKING UNFAIR THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A RETCON! WE TRUSTED YOU! BTS IS AN AU! AAAAARRRGGGGGGGG
WTH WE EVEN LOST AGAINST PRICEFIELDERS? NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CANNOT BELIEVE IT I JUST CANNOT.

MAXINE IS A FANFICTION WRITER ARGGGGGG S-STOP PLAYING LIFE IS STRANGE I HAVE MY EVIDENCES AND TWEETS SEASON 1 ISN'T CANON AAAHHHHH

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@cum2soon
People just aren't as comfortable watching two men snog.
Well I think we are past this part now. Have you seen the Dream Daddy game? Lots of straight men have played it (and from what I saw, they were the majority of the players) and they were cool with it.

Also the horror genre didn't really exist, but if someone played it for the first time, it totally gives you the impression something it going to pop up. So it really is horror anyway.

takes2long
takes2long

yfw the TV series follows the plot of the game and makes Bay ending canon and also Warren is the main love interest to appeal to normies
wyd?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Stupidasole
Dream Daddy is an exception to the rule. Not to mention it's a VN, which is a genre that tends to attract people who are more acceptant of guys snogging other guys.

likme
likme

@takes2long
Not watch it?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@PackManBrainlure
This desu senpai

Soft_member
Soft_member

@takes2long
Go back in time and touch Michel when he was a kid to lower his self-confidence so much that he never becomes a writer and LiS is never created.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BlogWobbles
It was also well written. And that's why people liked it anyway.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RavySnake
I dont think "Gone Home" got popular because "lesbians sell". More like at the time it was released, it baited people into thinking it was another one of these Amnesia inspired horror games but instead the twist was "surprise, lesbians!". Plus it was one of the first games to show a relationship like that and even focus the narrative on it.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@RavySnake
Actually the lesbian aspects of Gone Home are hidden and subtle and not even presented in the game until you've progressed far into it. It was never marketed as a 'lesbian' or 'LGBTQ game' except by certain reviewers that shilled it on their own accord. It's quite the opposite of what people on /v/ complain about where SJW shit is forced onto games where it doesn't make sense for it be present and also blatantly marketed as one.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stupidasole
Dream Daddy
That sounds gay like daddy posters on /tv/. Also, as that other guy said, it's a VN so it doesn't exactly count.

Furthermore, it's anime-tier so it's not exactly like seeing two real dudes snog like webm related. Well, it's more face-sucking probably because the actors don't want to full-on kiss, or something.

@Bidwell
visuals novels
well-written
Pick one.

askme
askme

@Spamalot
that's hot.
source?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@askme
Riverdale. It's not very good.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@King_Martha
Rachel turned into Chun-Li

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

pricefieldmongwhales itt

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@King_Martha
everyone looks so swole here

girlDog
girlDog

Max, take my hand!
*hella adventure*

Lunatick
Lunatick

spend 14 hours playing this game
specifically did everything for chloes favor
sacrifice Arcadia
no kiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz9ZMD9KFNg

FUCK YOU STORM. THE PREQUEL BETTER HAVE MORE KISSING

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Lunatick
It would be inappropriate in that ending.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@askme
If you're going to watch it for that sort of thing, I'll let you know that it's not very frequent and to do with a side-character.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Emberfire
Max literally murdering people just because she can always undo it
It's only been 4 days. In like a year she would be a complete psycho

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

screams "help me max"
go up to her
she tells you to go away
They really should have did different dialogue for when you never helped her at all. Tsk tsk tsk.

Methshot
Methshot

@New_Cliche
yfw post bae Max stabbing Chloe with a knife over and over to make herself feel better after they argue and rewinding

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

"There are things you can't fight. Acts of God. You see a Tornado coming, you get out of the way. But when you're Max Chadfield, suddenly, you can fight the Tornado, You can beat Jefferson and dodge bullets, you can save Chloe, you can save Rachel, you can execute Nathan You can win."

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Fuzzy_Logic
where is Max Chadfield when we need him

massdebater
massdebater

@Fuzzy_Logic
Max Chadfield is a invention of the player who cant handle the helplessness and constant threat of danger that comes with being female.

When a man witnesses such cruelty and sick perversation at the hands of a man, he understands the only person who can stop him...Is another man

idontknow
idontknow

@massdebater
you fucking know it

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

tfw you love your Max

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@massdebater
@idontknow
Does that mean Life Is Strange is secretly an anti-feminist game since it portrays all the female characters as retarded?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@GoogleCat
its a fact of life, females are at the mercy of males.
only the righteous Chads can protect the innocent from the Corrupted Men

Playboyize
Playboyize

gets her own Chloe
still fugs pretentious hipster douche and smelly drug dealer
Rachel is so dumb wtf

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@idontknow
@SniperWish
None could stand before the horde but Max Chadfield. Despair spread before him like a plague, striking fear into the evil doers, driving them to deeper and darker pits. But from the depths of the abyss rose The Jeffershit, a demon mightier than all who had come before. The Photographer, of immeasurable perversion and cunning. He strode upon the dark and faced Max Chadfield, and a quick decisive victory was fought in the desolate room. there fell the Jefforshit, and in his defeat the Doe was freed.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Firespawn
Yes, a letter written 3 years later. These are 15 and 16 year old kids we're talking about who just met each other in BtS. 3 years is plenty of time for them to date, breakup, and become friends again. This whole "Rachel has to be exactly the same at 18 as she was at 15 during a time of family crisis" is really tiresome.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Playboyize
because she needed money but because in michelverse women cant get jobs they have to rely on men to give it to them

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Ignoramus
had to

5mileys
5mileys

@PurpleCharger
Surprise hugs

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

glad i suffered through LiS so now i can enjoy BtS

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lord_Tryzalot
BtS is pure joy and love condensed

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Flameblow
im glad. i need something good after that heartwrencher

Booteefool
Booteefool

@5mileys
Max and Chloe hugs are the best.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Raving_Cute
Ep2 should make you cry manly tears of happiness at least it made me

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Crazy_Nice
manly

nah im a faggot lel

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BinaryMan
She could've just stolen her dad's credit card.
There's easier, faster ways for a girl like her to make money. Rachel sucks at being whore desu

@Flameblow
That jacket looks hella cute on Chloe.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@eGremlin
She didn't even need to steal his credit card, he would probably give her money if she asked.
Also he is a fucking loaded DA, they didnt need a barely moving trash truck salvaged from Junkyard when her dad would probably buy her a car for her birthday had she asked.
Fuck S1 and its retard logic

That jacket looks hella cute on Chloe.
Agreed it's the best outfit

whereismyname
whereismyname

@5mileys
Surprise flowers. Rachel brought out Chloe's adventurous and daring side. Max brings out her caring and gentle side.
All a part of Chloe balancing out and finding a comfortable place in life.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Reminder that Farewell will only be happy moments between these two as they adventure around Arcadia bay getting into mischief
We will also see William be a top tier dad
https://youtu.be/PRQPc-PK1gM

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Is Rachel lewd

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@whereismyname
Chloe loves surprising her Max with flowers
She's a big romantic softie

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Raving_Cute
user!

I chuckled at the idea of Chloe texting Steph to ask questions about how to proceed though

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@whereismyname
and finding a comfortable place in life.
with Eliot

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TalkBomber
tfw Steph DMing Chloe's first sexual experience with Rachel

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@LuckyDusty
It's gonna be great (I hope). Even if it's sad knowing what later happens to them for a time, and what it takes for them to get back together. Seeing them happy and carefree will be nice.

@Stupidasole
Chloe brings flowers sometimes. Sometimes Max surprises Chloe with some of her best photos, gifts from Vanessa, and after they're 21 occasionally a bottle of wine or something to share.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Raving_Cute
@Crazy_Nice
@New_Cliche
Oh boy are you in for a ride.

RavySnake
RavySnake

where did bts originally leak?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Booteefool
Right?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Soft_member
70 thread away from 700
I think /lisg/ will make it to 1,000 threads. Maybe we'll even have news of the next game and new characters by then. Though we will always love the older ones.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Soft_member
Max and Chloe had better keep Alice safe. They don't want her to get lost on their trip.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Playboyize
Do you think S2 will come out after the same amount of time that passed between S1 and BtS, or will the wait be shorter?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I can't wait until we get the first S2 trailer that lets us figure out the entire story

Nojokur
Nojokur

@PackManBrainlure
Alice will be safe. Chloe's a good driver and Max is too for the times she takes the wheel on their trips.

@SomethingNew
I can't say for sure. I don't know if DONTNOD wants to wait until Vampyr is out to release S2 or if because of the delays they will go ahead with S2's announcements and release cycle. Maybe we'll hear something at E3.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@BunnyJinx
I can't wait until the S2 trailer comes out and does not feature Max, Chloe or Rachel so I can completely dismiss it.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@CouchChiller
I'm still gonna pirate it and shitpost here

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CouchChiller
I can't wait for Vampyr to fail and Dontnod is forced to bring back the old cast to save itself from bankruptcy.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@whereismyname
I probably won't even bother with that. I'll just sit and read the threads and watch everyone yell at each other about how one character sucks and should die and how the other is God's gift to the world, and chuckle as the entire thread slowly descends into chaos as everybody realizes they've been duped into becoming invested in another season that ends in a confusing nonsensical shitfest.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

If S2 is good then I hope there's S1 crossover fics with both casts meeting
As is I want to read about Chloe introducing Max to her friends in BtS

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BlogWobbles
Well I'm definitely never gonna believe Michel's lies ever again in my life.
I can't recall a single sequel where the quality of writing vastly improved over the original without changing the creative team so there's a 95% chance S2 is going to be as shit as the first one.

DeathDog
DeathDog

How will Season 2's protagonist look like?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@eGremlin
Rachel will cheat on Chloe and theres nothing you can do about it sorry

FastChef
FastChef

@King_Martha
She tries to seduce Lisa.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Leave Michel to me

cum2soon
cum2soon

There are people in this thread who will still say cruel and heartless things about this sweet, kind, loving young girl because she, in an extreme lapse of judgement clouded by an addiction to drugs and an intense psychological need to leave behind her toxic family life, made a series of awful mistakes, of which she has already paid the ultimate price for, even though she dedicated her existence in the afterlife to protect Chloe, the girl who she loved more than anything else, and ensured that she had a chance to escape the same fate as she, thus allowing her to reconnect with the only person left in the world who could possibly make her as happy as she did

I expected more of you, /lisg/

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@King_Martha
S1 is a meme that no one takes seriously and there is nothing you can do about it, sorry

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@DeathDog
A fat black transgender woman who identifies as a time traveler, but actually just scrolls through Tumblr all day while eating entire jars of peanut butter.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@cum2soon
Then stop picking on Max with your "LOL FANFIC FERNANDOS DONUTS" shitposting.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@cum2soon
cute, but still a S1 meme

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
There is only one person who posts that shit and you need to stop replying to them so they'll go away.

They're probably the same people trying to force the lighthouse cock meme and the weird fake Instagram screenshots depicting Jefferson and Max in a relationship.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@CodeBuns
You mean Max will be the protagonist again?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@cum2soon
Max can't even make a plant happy

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Literally an angel

likme
likme

@lostmypassword
Chloe's

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
Rude! Lisa loves her mom.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@cum2soon
Sounds like the one person who keeps saying nothing but awful things about Max.
A few troublemakers can cause a lot of damage.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@iluvmen
For some reason, she makes Chloe happy.

I don't really ship them together, and they could never have what Chloe had with Rachel, but that's fine. Just because it's different doesn't mean it can't be just as special in a totally different way. And it's what Rachel wanted.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Fried_Sushi
Lisa is dead

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Does Max do this with her Chloe?

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/morbid-monday-the-macabre-romance-of-a-man-and-a-mummy

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Snarelure
Wrong!

likme
likme

@Fried_Sushi
*moms
Lisa also loves Alice.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@likme
Always.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HFa2pOyGHY

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@whereismyname
I'll be here with you.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Lord_Tryzalot
Max isn't perfect but as long as you save Chloe, she redeems herself.

I might make a joke or two about her not texting back every now and then, but I wouldn't suggest she was a bad person or anything.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Supergrass
Good for you mate, however it's still #notmycanon

girlDog
girlDog

@Soft_member
Jesus fuck, this autism

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Supergrass
I didn't intend to ship anyone when I first played, and I was even starting to think Rachel and Chloe were going to be good together if she was found and Max was just Chloe's friend. Then after Episode 3 I couldn't deny Max and Chloe wanted to be together and so it became my goal in the game to see them happy. Once what happened to Rachel was learned, it became apparent that she wanted to see Chloe happy and was giving Max a second chance to make that happen.
Obviously BtS shows Rachel and Chloe in a different light but to me it doesn't hold a candle to Max and Chloe. It's a passionate teen romance vs two people who may very well be soulmates.

@Crazy_Nice
That song rocks! A great moment from Episode 1.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Nude_Bikergirl
What a good post.

askme
askme

@CouchChiller
redeems herself by genocide
woah.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@askme
still doesn't know what genocide means
woah.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@askme
Even if the storm killed all of Arcadia Bay, it wouldn't stop me from saving Chloe. Her life is far more important than anyone else's.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Nude_Bikergirl
Are you me? That's what I thought. Chloe called Rachel her angel and I thought for sure that they'd find her and Max would sort of get pushed aside romantically
But the train train scene and then the pool and the following morning changed my mind pretty quickly

Lunatick
Lunatick

@happy_sad
You're goddamn right.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@askme
arcadia bay genocide best day of my life

Evilember
Evilember

I feel sort of bad for Steph, it's hard being friends with someone who has the attention of your crush. You want to be mad at them but you know you don't have any right to be because they made the first move. I'm sure Steph spend a lot of time around Rachel what with the drama club and rehearsal for the Tempest. Then Chloe comes along and seemingly randomly falls into a thing with Rachel out of nowhere. I like that they put this into the story though because it's good writing contrasting Eliot's reaction to being rejected vs Stephs. I see a lot of those kinds of contrasts being made between characters in this game which is something I wish LiS had done instead of being so ham-handed with their characters. Most of the BtS characters seem to actually have believable motivations vs. the cartoonish stuff in LiS.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Flameblow
Trust me, I want nothing more than to believe that a reality exists where Rachel and Chloe could be happy together forever, but as we know, in Arcadia Bay, happiness does not come along often and when it does, tragedy always prevails in the end.

I truly believe that if they were able to escape Arcadia Bay as they had planned, that they would still be together today and that Chloe would have found true happiness again without compromise. The Bay is a very dark place, and I don't think you can overstate the toll that living under such a toxic environment could have on a couple of impressionable teenage girls coming from broken homes. It's really not difficult to see why it could eventually cause them to crumble under the weight of it all.

Instead, we have to live with the choice between Chloe possibly finding joy in life again after losing her first love, her mother, her childhood home, and absolutely everything else she ever knew up to that point except for Max, or the idea that maybe, just maybe she finally found peace in death and gets to be with her father and Rachel again.

Unless lord Zak drops some kind of retcon bomb, which I cannot imagine actually happening as much as thrilled as I would be by it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Evilember
Steph is the real MVP

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Emberfire
You really think Rachel would've stayed with Chloe?
She would've started getting into drugs through modelling and acting and meeting people who could further those habits like with what she did in AB
Then she would've met someone like Jefferson who swept her off her feet and then Chloe would've been alone in a big city

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Evilember
Steph probably had to watch Rachel nonchalantly try on a bunch of different costumes, help her change into them, and see her in various stages of undress on multiple occasions and did not have a choice in the matter
This is poetic levels of sad

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sharpcharm
well it speaks to the value taking chances and spontaneity at least. Rachel is clearly attracted to broken people though, I don't think she would really be into Steph.

happy_sad
happy_sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMw9-A3oaz0

Rachel was confused and dazed as Nathan was about to administer the lethal dose that would kill her
Jefferson looked on as at his protege's work
but before the fatal dose could be administered
a loud banging was heard at the bunker door
"who the fuck is that"
Nathan looked at the bunker door in horror, seeing the deformed metal cave like paper at this creatures assault
"what the sh-"
before he could react, the door came flying as it was kicked off its hinges, crushing and killing him instantly
Jefferson rose to his feet alarmed and grabbed his gun
a tall imposing male entered the dark room
Jefferson fired several rounds at the man
to his disbelief they bounced harmlessly off his body, as if protected by a superpower
"who are yo-"
the figure lunged at lightning speed and grabbed him by the neck and held him against the wall while a dozy Rachel came to her senses
"you sick fuck" tightening his grip on his windpipe causing him to choke
"I know what you did, you kidnap girls and drug them for your sick art, I saw it all, what you did to me! To all of me, every Max that died, every timeline where she died alone and afraid, every traumatic rewriting of time, ITS ALL IN MY HEAD BECAUSE OF YOU, AND IT ENDS HERE. I WONT LET YOU HURT ANYONE ELSE, IM THE MAX CAULFIELD YOU DONT FUCK WITH "
he loosens his grip on Jefferson, he gasps for air, taking in desperate terrified breathes in the face of this apparent demigod
"you see, in my universe, I never had to deal with this, I destroyed my storm by myself, but when I did that, every timeline, every alternate reality, it's in my head...screaming, seeing a version of myself suffer over and over, but it all ends if I kill you, she doesent have to go through this"
"please...*gasp* let me go, I can get you money"
furious, Max slams him into the wall, cracking the reinforced concrete, breaking Jeffersons spine. He then turned to help the drowsy Rachel.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StrangeWizard
You know that really speaks volumes about her character. She obviously likes broken people because she can control them

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@RavySnake
wtf i hate rachel now

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Emberfire
Okay, I'll try to be serious now.
I understand where you are coming from, but I truly, genuinely don't have these kind of problems with divorcing the two games and treating them as self contained. There's many reasons. The fact they are from 2 different devs so technically speaking BtS is literally a fanfic. The fact they aren't and nothing suggests that they will be narratively connected past using the same characters. The fact the first game was based around time travel and jumping between realities so even if you want to claim both are part of the same timeline there is another timeline where events of BtS transpired that would lead to something better. The fact that there are inconsistencies between the two which even if non deliberate still give you the idea of a continuity break. And some of the choices and even characterization clash with the ideas of what was presented in S1.
There is also the fact Life Is Strange S1 was one of the worst gaming disappointments of my life so I don't hold it particularly high regards.
But even without all of this, it's still just a story. I don't know, maybe it's because of the fandoms I've been into but I never thought canon is anything more than "the official and generally inferior story set in a particular fictional universe".
So yeah, I hella can't relate, as far as I'm concerned post BtS Chloe gets a job, saves up and leaves with her girl for greener pastures and S1 can rot as some unnecessary sequel by misery obsessed frenchmen that no one asked for.
Unless BtS gets a sequel that connects it with S1 then I guess I'm fucked. But I doubt it will and even if it did it would have to offer a retcon because no one would enjoy playing a game where you are heading towards your doom.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@VisualMaster
Stop trying to rationalize your memes
Rachel is dead, S1 is canon, there is no AU
Deal with it and stop being children

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@happy_sad
Max carried the half asleep Rachel out of the bunker, took her in jeffersons car and drove straight to Chloe's
she was in shock and confused at the stranger who looked like a male version of Maxine on steroids
"take her, she was drugged by Nathan and Jefferson, I killed them before they killed Rachel"
Chloe took Rachel under her arm and lead her inside the house
"I did it for you Chloe, my purpose wasn't to save my universe, it was to save yours, tell max...she's incompetent..."
Max then has a nosebleed and suffers a seizure, his powers have killed him but he achieved his mission, the timelines are corrected.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@haveahappyday
I do.

Rachel was absolutely obsessed with leaving Arcadia Bay. Of course she wanted to be a star, but when it boils down to it, I think she wanted to become famous so she could leave Arcadia Bay, not leave Arcadia Bay so she could become famous. Based on the way things played out, more than likely she fell into a dark place once it started to look less and less likely that this would happen any time soon, and turned to drugs. That's when everything started to get really fucked up, hooking up with her dealer because he promised her that they would just leave town and never look back one day, and when he became too abusive she moved on to the next person who promised her a way out.

A lot of people portray Rachel as some master manipulator who was using both Frank and Jefferson to get what she wanted out of life. In reality, she was a kid who had no idea what she actually was getting herself into and SHE ended up being manipulated by men twice her age who knew she was broken and desperate.

I think if she could have made it out of Arcadia Bay, things would have been better for her. Even if it wasn't perfect, or hell, far from it, just getting away from such a toxic environment would have done wonders for her. Sure, you could argue that a big city like LA or New York would only provide more options for her to stray down the wrong path, but I think part of what made things so difficult for Rachel back home was that there was an enormous spotlight on her there. Having personally lived in both type of atmospheres, I can tell you that there is lot to be said about going from a place where literally every single person in the entire town knows (or think they know) everything about you, to a place where you can just blend into a crowd and be yourself, as opposed to what everyone else wants you to be.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@happy_sad
@LuckyDusty
Do this for season two.

A sacrifice of Adam, so Eve can be saved.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SniperWish
no

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SniperWish
It's kinda cute how you are actually the one who sounds like a kid trying to convince himself of something.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TreeEater
She was a massive attention slut. She would've grown bored with Chloe eventually and started feasting on the veritable buffet of cocks she'd be offered
There's no way she wouldn't have gotten hooked on heroin in the big city
She was a toxic person and deserves the toxic death she got because it would've happened in AB or New York or Los Angeles

RumChicken
RumChicken

@happy_sad
@LuckyDusty
Way better story than S1
Pls write an epilogue

eGremlin
eGremlin

@StrangeWizard
trying to pretend games didn't happen and totally fan made theories are real because you cant face the truth of a rotting corpse Rachel
Yep you're not a child

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TreeEater
responding seriously to the shitposter

Skullbone
Skullbone

Nice it's Amberprice fanfic hour

Methnerd
Methnerd

@eGremlin
game didn't happen
Its a game, of course none of it is real and didn't happen.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@PackManBrainlure
Rachel never did drugs
Rachel never slept with everyone
Rachel was never a constantly bored girl who jumped from fancy to passing fancy which would've included Chloe
Rachel never had all the means to leave AB but just strung Chloe along because she liked manipulating people (which she admits on the train)
Boy do i love Amberprice fanfic hour

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
when does she admit to liking manipulating people asking for a friend?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Methnerd
Nice non response
You know what was meant but you had no argument

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Skullbone
@TreeEater
wahh wahh only pricefield fanfics allowed

TreeEater
TreeEater

@VisualMaster
I like this concept and I don't necessarily disagree with it, and I also don't necessarily think even DONTNOD would either since they covered up a lot of their own inconsistencies by pushing the "use your imagination" card. And with time travel involved, it's not really hard. With that mechanic, pretty much anything within reason is theoretically possible.

I guess I take it all a little bit more at face value though. I suppose because, if you start assuming anything is possible, it makes the things I do enjoy about the series seem less genuine.

That being said, I do prefer to look at BtS for what it is, and I'm glad that I can at least enjoy these happy, beautiful little moments safely contained within the boundaries of space and time where things weren't all terrible.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Boy_vs_Girl
wahh wahh pls care about my favourite fictional story on my terms

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Supergrass
What does it feel like being an edgy 11 year old? Don't you have someone on XBox live to be calling a faggot?

Seriously, try harder to be edgy.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@RumChicken
you seemed to have some kind of Jedi mind powers over keaton
you could say I'm good with people, yeah
Not that I expect blind Amberprice tards to listen to her tone but she's obviously proud how easily she manipulates people

Illusionz
Illusionz

@King_Martha
@lostmypassword
@Dreamworx
Amberprice tards can only resort to ad hominem because any discussion about in game events goes against their terrible fanfic
Outstanding

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Illusionz
Why would I discuss the non canon events of S1? Not interested in Michel's subpar shlock

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@whereismyname
cant come up with an argument
resorts to the standard Amberprice meme that proves how childish and retarded they are
Truly the greatest bunch of minds on this board you Amberprice tards

King_Martha
King_Martha

@hairygrape
calls people blind because they can't listen
=kek
Also, simply being proud of having decent social skills doesn't make one into a master manipulator.

Methshot
Methshot

@Dreamworx
yass son, more salt

massdebater
massdebater

@Methshot
Still no argument
Nice
@King_Martha
But using multiple people to get her own way does

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@massdebater
still being salty no one cares about her fanfic
Nice

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@LuckyDusty
still can only resort to one meme
the irony being that Amberprice are the fanfic tards
Delicious

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Rachel is by far the most complex character in this series and we know far too little about her. It's kind of like Samuel of all people has alluded to, there are all kinds of angles to her. Some of them are good, some of them are not.

A lot of people are too simple minded to appreciate a character for being more than just a bland "good guy" or a stereotypical Disney villain.

She's too complex for some people to wrap their mind around. The idea that, gasp, she might actually be a good person who just has some very destructive qualities is just too raw and real. They'd rather just dismiss her entirely as a whore and hide behind someone like Max who they can pretend to be whoever they want and use her as their compass of morality.

I'm not even saying this as a knock on Max. I think she is an interesting character and I relate to her in many ways, but this is a fact. Not for everyone, but a select few trolls in this thread.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Raving_Cute
still thinks anyone cares about his opinions on how others should consume and interpret fiction
comedy gold

takes2long
takes2long

calm

Methshot
Methshot

@RumChicken
Max lay dying choking on his own blood as the cost of his stronger powers caught up to him, Chloe, already holding a drowsy Rachel, looked over him panicked
"Fuck don't die, you saved her?! What happened? What do I do?"
"C-Chloe...relax...this is meant to happen...reach into my bag, take out my diary, it will explain who I am and what happened here today. I just want you to know...*splutters blood* I couldent bear to watch any of you suffer, You, Rachel, Max...I'd rather it be me that goes...
she takes Max's diary and bag
"one last thing, Better if I die in my own universe"
Max screams in agony as his broken body uses it's precious reserves of life energy to transport his body to his home dimension
he is gone
Chloe is distraught and utterly bewildered at what just happened
she brings Rachel inside and makes sure she is comfortable for when she wakes up
she doesent have the nerve to read "Max's" diary, so she tries to sleep

morning comes
she opens the diary
inside entails the tragedy that would befall her and Rachel, how her and this universes max would uncover the clues and discover her body, how evil and twisted Jefferson was and how he and Nathan will be dealt with, down to every last detail. Then there was the last entry.

"Dear Chloe, if your reading this, then I'm dead, and it's for the best, you've learned of the horror i saved you all from and I wouldent have it any other way, it's right for me to be the one to be sacrificed, I'm a version of Max born male with enhanced time powers, with demigod tier abilities to match, but I'm a dickhead, the first thing me and chris did when I discovered my rewind was use it to steal beer. We didn't have any detecting or villains to torment us like you did, I used it to play god, I wasn't a hero, I was a jock with a superpower. Then when the storm came, I destroyed it but it got inside my head and I couldent bear knowing my best friend was suffering... your best friend from another world, Max

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
Max
interesting
pick one and only one
@takes2long
yeah Michelcuck should really take it to his heart

Soft_member
Soft_member

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rachel Ambers character. The intelligence is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of human psychology most of the conversations will go over a typical players head. There's also Rachel's promiscuous and manipulative outlook deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Kardashian literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these conversations about leaving Arcadia Bay, to realise that they're not just fanfic- they say something deep about lying to the girl you're manipulating and fucking tother guys to support your drug addiction. As a consequence Pricefielders who dislike Rachel Amber truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rachel's existential catchphrase "Life needs a little mystery, Chloe," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenevs Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated Pricefielder simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Zak Garriss' genius fanfic unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Am I the only one that finds it ironic that everyone here is so quick to jump on Rachel for manipulating people, when one of the main gameplay elements in LiS was Max using time travel to manipulate things to her advantage?

"Hey look, a pregnancy test in someone's garbage. Better snoop in there!"
"Oh shit, I got caught. Better rewind so Dana will never know I'm nosy."

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Playboyize
its okay when max does it

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Playboyize
yes! i've been noticing this since s1 when ppl used to call chloe manipulative how do they not realize max literally uses things people haven't *technically* said to her yet against them.

askme
askme

@Methshot
Rachel was awake, and Chloe ran over gave her the tightest hug
"do you remember where you were last night?"
not much, I must have drank too much at Nathan's party, I passed out and I think someone put on a action movie or something, did you take me home?"
Chloe hesitated, considering whether to reveal the interdimensional shitstorm that went down or leave her in blissful ignorance
"yeah, you phoned me when drunk and asked to take you home, so I came to get you"
she figured it was easier this way, but she still couldent wrap her head around this thing with Max and "Max"
"so what now?" Rachel quizzed "wanna go do something fun?"
"let's get the hell out of Arcadia Bay, today, we've been here long enough"
Chloe kisses Rachel deeply and lovingly, knowing how close she came to losing her
"but how? We're broke"
Chloe noticed the inside of Max's bag and there was something at the bottom of it, few thick envelopes one which had written on it "I told you I was a dickhead in my reality, have fun you two"
it was $20,000 in cash.
"Other Max, you really are an angel..."

THE END

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Soft_member
Was directed at the @TurtleCat
btw

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Playboyize
Difference is Rachel does it fully wanting to manipulate people for her own goals
None of those things max does necessarily happened. The only things she actually used her power for were to help Chloe find Rachel

farquit
farquit

@Playboyize
Before the great pricefielder exodus you used to get jumped on if you called Max "manipulative" or even implied she has any flaws whatsoever but yeah the entire gameplay of S1 revolves around her manipulating people

5mileys
5mileys

@Playboyize
@Poker_Star
@Booteefool
When exactly did Max sleep with a drug dealer behind Chloe's back?

Methshot
Methshot

@5mileys
you don't have to do that to be manipulative there are many other things that can make someone manipulative that don't have to do with sleeping with people at all

Inmate
Inmate

@askme
CHAD MAX IS THE HERO WE DESERVE
Literally 10/10

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methshot
Rachel did it to fuel her drug habit
That's manipulative considering Frank obviously loved her
And it's manipulative to not tell Chloe because Rachel still wanted to drag her into the gutter outside AB

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@King_Martha
The only things she actually used her power for were to help Chloe find Rachel
What you're saying is, she knowingly used her powers to manipulate people for her own goals. It just so happened that her goal was helping Chloe.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methshot
@askme
A masculine sacrifice on par with asura, I cried a little at that surprise money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wfnvgdRMM

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
im not saying rachel wasn't manipulative in her own regard, but so was max

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Fuzzy_Logic
no such thing as a philanthropic endeavor
Take your grade 10 philosophy out of here
Of course her goal was to help Chloe because she was her friend and felt bad

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Harmless_Venom
This really works as symbolism as chad maxs power to defeat the evil god that is michel

Evilember
Evilember

@kizzmybutt
person 1 manipulates people for their own goals
it's bad
person 2 manipulates people for their own goals
it's good
Nice grade 1 logic there.

DeathDog
DeathDog

All the Rachel apologists thinking she did nothing wrong while saying S1 is fanfic don't realize their own stupidity do they?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Ignoramus
It's a false equivalence. Just about all the instances of Max being manipulative were minor compared to what Rachel did. The whole pregnancy test thing isn't even set in stone. It's an optional interaction with Dana.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evilember
Except it's hardly a goal for Max. She gets nothing out of it except nosebleeds. She does it put of friendship
Rachel does it because she sees Chloe as easy to control and only because she needs someone to help her out of town

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@lostmypassword
Except it's hardly a goal for Max.
When you do X in order to achieve Y, Y is your goal. Max is aiding Chloe in searching for Rachel because helping Chloe is her goal.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TalkBomber
But it's a goal that gains her nothing except feeling good for helping her friend
Rachel was seeking to make herself happy
Max wanted to make Chloe happy

Snarelure
Snarelure

Episode 3 could end with Rachel burning Kate's house down and her family inside it, and people would still excuse her actions.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Inmate
wrote unfunny wall of text
constantly sucks himself off cause no one else gives a shit about it
Why, if i may inquire?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Sharpcharm
Oh, so now it is a goal. Well, that's some progress at least.
And Max wasn't doing it just for Chloe; she was trying to make up for her mistakes because she felt guilty about abandoning Chloe.

WebTool
WebTool

@Gigastrength
lmao what about that one time when she risked the school janitor getting into trouble by manipulating the situation to look like he almost killed a girl with a can of paint just so said girl would move and later used the moment of emotional vulnerability to either get on said girl's good side or use the situation to take revenge against her? who was she helping?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@haveahappyday
being helpful is now bad
I dunno why I'm trying
You'll always see max trying to help her friend as an equivalency to Rachel trying to help herself

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@WebTool
As opposed to St Rachel who was perfectly willing to drug that same girl to get back into a play she'd gotten herself kicked out of.

TechHater
TechHater

@AwesomeTucker
being helpful is now bad
No, being manipulative for the sake of reaching your goals is now being manipulative for the sake of reaching your goals.

max trying to help her friend as an equivalency to Rachel trying to help herself
Max was trying to help herself as much as Chloe. That wasn't some sort of an altruistic act she did purely out of the goodness of her kind heart; helping Chloe was her way of getting rid of the guilt and rebuilding their relationship.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Fuzzy_Logic
I like how "b-but Rachel" is always your only argument. Rachel's own actions don't make Max's actions fine.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TechHater
helping Chloe was her way of getting rid of the guilt and rebuilding their relationship
and that's, what, bad?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RavySnake
Well Amberprice tards bring max into everything
Maxs actions are those of a saint compared to roastie-Rachel

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Playboyize
Maxs actions are those of a saint compared to roastie-Rachel
he's onto something

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Harmless_Venom
Wtf there's a blue butterfly at the end of that cutscene

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RavySnake
Max's actions resulted in a girl getting drenched in paint. The girl had every opportunity to move out of the way, but she was persistent in blocking Max's path out of some petty rivalry. Had the incident resulted in anyone getting seriously hurt, Max had the ability to undo the damage and not go through with her plan.

5mileys
5mileys

@Dreamworx
Depends. Is tricking people into doing what you need by deliberately provoking them or manipulating their environment and then rewinding so that they don't remember anything anymore for the sake of making up for your own mistakes bad? Maybe, maybe not. It's entirely subjective. What it is, however, is manipulative, which is what this chain of replies was trying to establish. Whether that's a positive or a negative trait is up to you.

Skullbone
Skullbone

This game really messed me up
I'm lonely

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Skullbone
So was Chloe after Rachel does for heroin and cock

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Playboyize
Max
Manipulative
Well, That's true to an extent, but Max used her powers to learn info about someone, rewound, and then used it to be helpful or friendly afterwards.

On the other hand, Rachel used her looks and assets to be on good terms with almost everyone, she just naturally manipulate them to benefit herself and get what she wants, yes, she genuinely cared about Chloe, but apparently that was a 'wild phase' and she grew out of it, and wanted to try something new. But Rachel forgot that manipulation normally comes with bad consequences.

Reminder that Chloe said "Sometimes, when we're incredibly desperate and lonely, we choose the absolute wrong kind of people to let into our hearts".

JunkTop
JunkTop

@5mileys
Max did it for the person she loves
So did Rachel. Just happens that the person she loves is herself

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Soft_member
Chloe...

CHLOE...
OVER HERE

I TURNED MYSELF INTO A CREEP, CHLOE
I'M CREEPY ELIOT!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Skullbone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-gRJy0zD4

Just listen to this channel and pretend your with chloe

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@whereismyname
her ability to undo it makes it ok to do whatever she wants
sociopathic.
Even if no one got hurt Samuel could still lose his job if Victoria reported the incident and Max still used the situation to her advantage, there's no option to just go into the dorms, you either suck up to Vicky through a manufactured situation Max just created or you get even on her.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Boy_vs_Girl
Fuck that's an unattractive voice
That's like turbo-duke voice 101
Also I cringe over how that even exists

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Burnblaze
Rachel forgot that manipulation normally comes with bad consequences
Rachel had to deal with those consequences because people she was manipulating were aware of her presence and were capable of retaliating afterwards if thing went wrong. Max hadn't. Her powers quite literally erase all immediate consequences of her actions.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@farquit
Why are Rayray and Stello so based?

askme
askme

@Ignoramus
Luckily the only person Rachel hurt was Chloe :^)
And herself I suppose when she ended up as a seem filled body in a trashyard

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Lord_Tryzalot
I want to be protected by a turbo dyke

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Skullbone
it triggers me that this scene was never in the game

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Boy_vs_Girl
What consequences? It's very unlikely she faced any punishment for the damage she caused to Arcadia Bay in that forest fire.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Incredible
Amberprice tards are literally trying to rationalize and justify how Rachel was sexually manipulating people to be a drug addict and lying to Chloe

WebTool
WebTool

@Bidwell
There's still episode 3.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Boy_vs_Girl
because they are best girls along with Baby Clo

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Carnalpleasure
Those are the same people shitting up the thread with 'BtS is an AU' just ignore them.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@WebTool
Everything we hear about Rachel in S1 indicates that her time at Blackwell went uninterrupted, and no one mentions her being responsible for a fire years ago. So it's doubtful that she faced any legal consequences for what she did.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

What would a LiS game be like with Rachel as the main character?

I feel like her journal would be more like some type of online blog. Maybe her "thing" like Max's photos and Chloe's graffiti would be her making a vlog in certain scenes.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Burnblaze
she genuinely cared about Chloe, but apparently that was a 'wild phase' and she grew out of it
and how is that?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
It is not possible for a mentally unstable and broken 17 year old girl to manipulate Frank or Jefferson. She may have been so high and delusional that she thought that's what was happening, but there is no fucking way.

likme
likme

@Poker_Star
making a vlog in certain scenes
Woah that would be cute.
Or her having a snapchat acount

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Emberburn
I don't know, you tell me.

WebTool
WebTool

@GoogleCat
it's a shitposter only interested in edgy memes to stroke his hateboner

cum2soon
cum2soon

@GoogleCat
Ok so she was just fucking guys for the sake of being a drug slut?
Am I missing some higher point?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@likme
Why would you want a normie simulator?
just go watch some youtube whores.

WebTool
WebTool

@likme
Considering it would be before Snapchat existed that might not work, but something similar. I was thinking more like a MySpace blog. I imagine it would be like her talking to her "fans" and trying to get subscribers and stuff. Either way it would be too cute

takes2long
takes2long

@GoogleCat
It is not possible for a mentally unstable and broken 17 year old girl to manipulate Frank or Jefferson.
kek. What a load of bullshit and you know it.
mentally unstable
nope
broken
noooope
17yo
still can be manipulative, which Rachyl definitely is.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@WebTool
there would be an account called "Blueberry1995" being on her blog 24/7, liking and responding to everything and constantly calling her hot and pretty

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Carnalpleasure
I find EXTREMELY hard to accept that this person is the same who kissed, loved and genuinely cared about chloe one day, i only grow more hatred for her with each episode.

girlDog
girlDog

@LuckyDusty
I find EXTREMELY hard to accept
Because the mere three days during which we see her solidified her character more than following three whloe fucking years during which she could and did definitely change? Get real, matey

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@LuckyDusty
that this person is the same
it's literally not because they were written by different people.
If you can even call S1 Rachel as being "written".

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CouchChiller
No, i really didn't need that meme reply, i was just expressing my thoughts about Rachel, i know she's the same person, but i'm just confused why she changed so much. I think @Burnblaze
is right about her.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Lalalalalal not my Rachel lalalala people never change in 4 years lalalalala this is my fanfic lalalala
Disgusting

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CouchChiller
The onus isn't on the original story to be consistent with a prequel that came after it.

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberfire
except its true. they are different because they are two different visions of the same character from different people.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@FastChef
Stop. You don't want people to be forcing S1 down your throat, don't force your interpretation of BtS on others.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

lalalalala Im not triggered over fictional characters lalallalala no mom im not going to bed yet fuck you lalalalalala

viagrandad
viagrandad

You people are a bunch of meanieheads.

viagrandad
viagrandad

fiction allows completely open interpretations of characters or events
Nope
Frodo for a fact never shot himself in the foot with a revolver

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
doesn't say bukkake results
Odd

massdebater
massdebater

@Carnalpleasure
I'm not, stupid, I'm just saying the purely technical reason for why these two versions of a character feel disconnected is because ONE WAS LITERALLY NOT MEANT TO EXIST AND WAS WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
You don't know that. We never saw what happened to him after he departed Middle-earth. There might have been firearms in Valinor.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberburn
Heh
Maybe you Amberprice tards are alright

hairygrape
hairygrape

Everyone just take a moment and appreciate this fukkin qt

Flameblow
Flameblow

@viagrandad
Yeah, and Legolas never travelled with Bilbo nor had a ginger love interest...oh wait turns out with the right position in entertainment industry even YOUR fanfic can become canon!

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@hairygrape
Chloe is awesome!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Flameblow
And Aragorn has no pants.

WebTool
WebTool

@Flameblow
Amberprice is comparing itself to the abomination that was the Hobbit movies
Jesus Christ that's good shit right there
Gooooooddddd shit

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Burnblaze
He's also Native-American.

And the Balrog wears slippers.

takes2long
takes2long

@AwesomeTucker
The smile worth rewriting time for

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Whatever happened to Rachel over the three years clearly messed with her and she didn't want to drag Chloe down into it or make her think she was responsible.
Maybe Rachel would have left on her own, maybe not, but she was doing things on her own that Chloe would not want to be part of and did not know about. It wasn't a crime to be involved with other people or have relationships, but she at least should have told Chloe about those things even if she didn't divulge the specifics. That was Chloe knew there was someone else and could stop thinking Rachel was single and possibly (still) interested in her.

idontknow
idontknow

@SomethingNew
adultery isn't a crime
Either that or she broke up with Chloe making her a liar

TechHater
TechHater

@TreeEater
@JunkTop
I know it's a late response but it's good to know others saw the same thing. I don't have anything against Rachel even though she made a lot of mistakes. Max and Chloe also made mistakes. In their own ways all three of them made up for them.
Nothing I've seen in Before the Storm has changed my opinion and nothing will.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Burnblaze
@SomethingNew
jesus fuck i had no idea this exists

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Techpill
@Lunatick
@Sharpcharm
@Ignoramus
implying Best Girl Chloe wouldn't find a way to save both
quit the game

DeathDog
DeathDog

Is there a fanfiction where max fall in love with her alternate self?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@idontknow
Nothing said or shown suggested they were in an official relationship so there would be no reason to break up. They were two people who had strong feelings and one of them eventually changed. Perhaps Rachel's clear changes should have been noticed by Chloe but by that point Chloe was so enamored by Rachel that she couldn't or didn't want to notice it. Rachel is guilty of lying but she could have always told the truth. It would have been better late than never, if she ever intended to tell Chloe which could be argued for both ways.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evil_kitten
Fukkin cute!

girlDog
girlDog

@DeathDog
I wish.
Its the only person Max truly deserves.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@hairygrape
Instead of a journal you have a MySpace-style blog
Instead of taking photos or doing graffiti, you do vlogs
Instead of texting you have Snapchat-style videos with other Arcadia Bay residents
You get comments on your videos from other characters under various online nicknames

This would be so cheesy but I want it. I have no idea what the story would even be about but it would be so cute.

Inmate
Inmate

@Carnalpleasure
Save Max first
She rewinds and stays in a safe position
Chloe can save Rachel
Both are now saved
Though in the actual scenario Rachel is the one who set up the trap

TechHater
TechHater

@JunkTop
The film was a bit weird, but Aragorn was voiced by John Hurt who did a stellar job.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Evil_kitten
So Rachel shoves her tongue down Chloes throat, proposes via Shakespeare, and then doesn't officially date her?
Sounds mean

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@DeathDog
I don't know, but i'm sure you'll like 'predestination'.

likme
likme

@hairygrape
Everyone has now finally agreed that Chloe is awesome

Now Rachel is the new Chloe

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@happy_sad
I want Deck Nine to give as Slice of Life DLCs to BtS
Come on Square, there's serious money to be made here

Methshot
Methshot

When will Square give us Dissidia: Life Is Strange

askme
askme

@likme
people ever hated this qt
Truly disgusting

Bidwell
Bidwell

@StrangeWizard
The Tempest stuff was acting. It was convincing at the time but it was all a part of entertaining the audience and reiterating the idea of leaving Chloe. Part of the problem seems to be Rachel saying or doing things for fun or dramatic effect and Chloe taking it too seriously. Maybe not at the start because Rachel was definitely being honest, but over time that may have become an issue.

Inmate
Inmate

@Bidwell
rationalizing it as Chloes fault
Fuck she lost her dad, who by all accounts was a top tier dad, and her best friend, who by all accounts was a top tier friend before moving
She was at her most vulnerable. Of course she'd grasp at anything the sort that Rachel gave her

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Remember to protect your smashy girlfriend

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
Actually there's a Max x Lisa fanfiction out there, so everything is possible, but i can't find anything on archive of your own so far.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@askme
people hating any of these qts
Disgusting

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Raving_Cute
what the fuck

Inmate
Inmate

@SniperGod
said one amberfag to another

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Raving_Cute
Is this true?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Raving_Cute
is she shlicking using her leaves or..

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@hairygrape
Yes, also there's a Kate x Alice but i don't want to link anything here, it's on Archive of Your Own, look it up if you really want to.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@happy_sad
qts
but there's only one cutie on your gif, user. With some slut in a red jacket standing next to her

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Inmate
Oh no. I wasn't saying it was Chloe's fault at all. She was just following her heart and saw nothing saying what she was thinking wasn't the case. It wasn't Rachel's intentional fault either.
Chloe was clearly having feelings for Rachel for a long time and Rachel realized that but did nothing to tell her it wasn't going to happen. It was a misunderstanding and complicated issue that Rachel didn't believe she could fix without hurting Chloe so she kept pushing it off until it was too late.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TechHater
https://archiveofourown.org/works/11684352

https://archiveofourown.org/works/12667683

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Boy_vs_Girl
why not link?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TechHater
I just want to save her.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Kuna is back to drawing LIS and draws Amberprice
YEAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sir_Gallonhead
Max loves her plant!
Max has a lot of fun with their plant!
Sex
Masturbation
Light BDSM
BDSM
Spanking
Self-Bondage

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Gigastrength
Nothing wrong with cute art, amigo, no matter what pairing it's under.
Here's hoping Kuna is still drawing when S2 is out

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PurpleCharger
Because it's not really something i'm interested in or excited to share on this general.
Whoops, looks like someone already posted it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@MPmaster
I have a hard time believing Rachel didn't see Chloe as vulnerable and easy to control

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Marshfield!

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Bidwell
Rachel went out of script so she wasn't acting there, they were promised each other on stage. That was the point of it.

Fuck.. talking about it hurts me really hard tho

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Burnblaze
Let it be so

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Gigastrength
Rachel's thicc thighs and midget calves
Reeeee.

girlDog
girlDog

@Sir_Gallonhead
Why did I read this

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

People in /lisg/ suggesting that this angel did not genuinely love Chloe with all of her heart

You're going to be proven wrong when episode 3 comes out. That's all I have to say.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Boy_vs_Girl
So I don't get it. I've seen two of these types of images, and is it implied that Max rewound these and they're 'remembering' the incidents as dreams?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@haveahappyday
In before Season 3 shows a more 'warts and all' interpretation that satisfies neither the Pricefielders who are waiting for THE FRANK to dick her nor the Amberpricers who want the perfect storybook romance.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@haveahappyday
Then stop trying to invalidate Max's love for Chloe with your "LOL FANFICTION" meme.

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
angel
posts Rochyl instead
cognitive dissonance?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Why did she do it?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Harmless_Venom
She was writing them to her personal journal mate. I know that you love self inserting yourself with that beta phag, bur learn how do relationships work. You know whatever happened in Max's nightmare (the mirror of her subconscious) and how did she interpret,exageratted his rl actions and how she internalized the feeling she has to respond his affection just because he is into him. Point is, she wasn't into him and whatever you did game ended up with seeing Chloe playing in romantic manner in her nightmare and questioned her love for her.

This is how things works in real life; Whatever you do, you can't choose who do you fall in love with, feelings came suddenly and evolve slowly.. That's what hapspened with Max and Chloe and that's why it is confirmed by developers that "worthwhile and ultimate pairing"

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I'm off to bed so I guess I'll miss the new thread again.

Don't forget to kiss Chloe!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Crazy_Nice
The D's too stronk to resist?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@SniperGod
Vulnerable? Yes. Which is why she did what she could to try to avoid hurting Chloe, even when Chloe needed to be a little bit with a rejection instead of hurt a lot by being lied to.
I don't think Rachel was trying to control Chloe outside of trying to motivate her to do something they both wanted. Rachel really wouldn't gain anything from intentionally leading Chloe on.

@CouchChiller
It as genuine at the time but stuff like that stuck in Chloe's mind. Even when things had changed with Rachel, Rachel didn't do enough to make certain that was something in the past. Chloe remembered those moments and thought they were still what they had.

girlDog
girlDog

@Crazy_Nice
Pompidou.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@cum2soon
Max only loves donuts

@Lord_Tryzalot
Ep3 will be the peak of fluff fanfiction

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Crazy_Nice
Drugs,money and wanted to gtfo that town with that RV asap. When the guy kinda revealed himself that he was fucked up brain, she looked for someonelse.

Ah Rachel.. why did she become darker as the time passed

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Poker_Star
Sweet dreams, user. Max will never forget to do that!

Emberfire
Emberfire

@haveahappyday
Care to explain why she slept with and indeed had a relationship with Frank or why she banged Jefferson?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Lord_Tryzalot
Season 3 with Rachel
And you know that it won't happen...

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Supergrass
Don't hate me if you're wrong and I'm right, amigo. I won't hate you.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Emberfire
inb4 because Rachel in BtS is different and s1 isn't canon haha meme reply

WebTool
WebTool

@PurpleCharger
As far as we saw Chloes ambitions to leave AB started with Rachel

Emberfire
Emberfire

@MPmaster
@happy_sad
Too late user

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Emberfire
because her personality messed up... while someone has already love her (chloe) , rachel's own wishes -gtfo that town- outweigh.
Even zak said it himself that their relationship could last if Rachel didn't act in this way

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberfire
Teenagers (and many adults) make bad decisions?
Really, though, based on the information provided it's not like Jefferson would seem like all that bad of a choice.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Firespawn
this would've happened if the characters were completely different
Are you simple?
@RumChicken
Not an excuse for hurting someone

Skullbone
Skullbone

@MPmaster
Can you send Floyd's tweet now?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Booteefool
We'll never really get the full picture of what happened with Rachel. Needless to say, she had a lot of problems and couldn't trust her friend to help her with them. Maybe she feared looking weak or pulling Chloe down with her. Leak user says we'll get an idea of what started to happen with her in Episode 3 but I'm guessing there will still be mystery.

@WebTool
Chloe's words in S1 were basically that she wanted out of Arcadia Bay since Max had left. Those thoughts stayed in Chloe's mind as a dream and then when Rachel started echoing the same idea, it became Chloe's goal. Though it also seems like as much as Chloe wanted out, she couldn't completely abandon Joyce.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd
Not an excuse for hurting someone
Chloe is Hitler then.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Who here /FrankAmber/?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd
wut. i was pointing out if Rachel didn't messed up,wasn't so selfish and didn't changed in bad way over 3 years for that passion for gtfoing town their relationship could last. because she only experienced "real,soft" love with chloe.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@PurpleCharger
So Rachel saw that desire and tried to exploit it
@Nude_Bikergirl
Not saying Chloe wouldn't forgive her
Just saying Chloe didn't deserve that

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Methnerd
I think you fail to realize something: excuses are a construct made by a society that seeks to deny life's truth:
one who acts has power until the point someone with more power acts to stop them, and one who acts but no one stops is almighty.

@Dreamworx
Honestly I kind of like Ambower(?) even though I'm an Amberpricer.
Frank's not the best guy in the world, but hell, who is?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Dreamworx
Man, Rachel really deserves every single bit of hate towards her because if what she did to Chloe. I kinda regret buying her game honestly.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Nude_Bikergirl
And I'm saying that's pointless conjecture because her character is the exact opposite and nothing would've changed that

Skullbone
Skullbone

@haveahappyday
Let's "exploit" this dirt poor girl with no social or life skills!
Brilliant plan.

@RavySnake
but hell, who is?
Somebody who isn't a drug dealer and doesn't have a tendency to threaten people with pointy knives.

TechHater
TechHater

@Dreamworx
shipping 18 year old girl with dirty old drug dealer -who also one of those people who caused her death-
disney fangirl logic desu

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RavySnake
I'm still not sure why you're rationalizing cheating/leading on/lying some by Rachel

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Skullbone
Sorry, given that just about every day we hear about how someone who we used to trust is a child molester or shot a hooker in South America, I'm pretty sure drug dealing and knife pointing ain't half bad.

WebTool
WebTool

@Skullbone
Because at the time there was no one else and Chloe would provide her someone to accompany her and lend support for actually leaving (she was still 15 so she might've had her own fears about running away)
She obviously felt attracted to her so she probably figured she was someone to bang when they left town until she found someone who could support her

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RavySnake
being apologist of drug dealer who also attacked some teenager girl just because mentioning his dog's name or spilled beans (Max)

Now I have to mention thst devs intended Frank to have more darker personality; where he was gonna kill Chloe and Max with a fucking gun but theu cut it.

And also, I can't get this fandom. This guy is fucked up... not in Jefferson level but still.. still continued to sell drugs to kids etc etc

and fandom is making him cartoonish character like "OMG MY BOI FRANK BEANZ LMAO HE S GOT A PUPPY SO HE IS A GOOD MAN"

fuck off...

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@ZeroReborn
I didn't think I'd live to see the day somebody would unironically respond to me with a "children in Africa are starving"-tier argument.

@WebTool
at the time there was no one else
She was the most popular girl in Blackwell. If she wanted to exploit somebody, there were plenty of targets.

takes2long
takes2long

@Stark_Naked
This.
all i'm seeing while playing it is a manipulative, cheating human you should never trust, it makes me angry.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

This thread is giving me serious nostalgia to the 2015 Chloe hate times

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Stark_Naked
And we swing back to no one was more vulnerable
Rachel obviously didn't love Chloe like a soulmate because she never would have slept with other people

massdebater
massdebater

@TechHater
being this moralfag
you should go back.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@eGremlin
HE WAS EATING THOSE BEANS!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@BunnyJinx
Just like with Chloe, eventually everyone will love Rachel.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@massdebater

@massdebater
you have got a thing for pedo drug dealer who also accidentally kills you with his drug, i assume

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BunnyJinx
Still don't see how anyone can hate this qt

Emberfire
Emberfire

@SomethingNew
Nah, i never hated Chloe because she actually have a backstory you can relate to or understand, but Rachel is a just rich girl who manipulated everyone is sight and then got herself killed.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SomethingNew
It's still thousands times better than after EP1 when you couldnt say anything remotely nice about her, right now this only happens in pricefielder hours

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@GoogleCat
So let me get your logic.

Rachel wants to exploit somebody to help her skip town
doesn't go for any obvious targets, including rich boy Nathan
just sits around and waits
runs into Chloe, somebody who has no money, skills or means of transportation
decides to "exploit" her because eh, why not
As I said, brilliant plan. Maybe she also was driving the truck that killed William?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@eGremlin
being apologist of drug dealer who also attacked some teenager girl just because mentioning his dog's name or spilled beans (Max)
Yeah, attacking people who could know his dog''s name only if they'd broken into his RV and did who knows what and attacking a person who's clearly being agressive to you when you're simply having a meal is totally unforgivable. Also them being teenagers, or girls don't matter in the slightest. Faggot

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
Nope
I liked her before BtS
But after seeing that kiss and the Tempest scene, then knowing how she hurt Chloe later made me dislike her

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Raving_Cute
if you play S1 and arent particularly interested in lesbian subtext she's kinda obnoxious

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fried_Sushi
people who could know his dog''s name only if they'd broken into his RV
Chloe knew Pompidou's name, user.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
Rachel is >14
pedo
Ah, you must be an amerikan.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BinaryMan
Well then she fucked and chucked Chloe
No other options really

girlDog
girlDog

@SniperWish
It was Max who said his name, not Chloe

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
lost an awesome dad
both friends lied and abandoned her
mom married a dick (I know it's childish to hate your step parent but David was worse than normal)

Lunatick
Lunatick

@girlDog
Yes, but any sane person would've probably assumed that Chloe told her his dog's name, not that she stole his keys and broke into his RV.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Lunatick
Yes, but any sane person would've probably assumed that Chloe told her his dog's name
sane
Why would Chloe tell Max Franks dog's name? She had literaly no reason to even think that would be an important information for Max to know? C'mon, user, don't be ridiculous. Also it never happened in the game, so there's that.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@eGremlin
What are you on about? I'm saying that if Frank was sane, he would've assumed Max heard his dog's name from Chloe, as we know she visited his RV, not that she stole his keys from him with her incredible stealth skills and then broke into his trailer.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@hairygrape
She never meant to hurt Chloe.

Methshot
Methshot

@Stupidasole
not everyone treats "muh sad backstory" as a jail free card. Also if you play constantly doing choices against her she's even worse and most people feels personally attacked if an NPC is mean their player character

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Fried_Sushi
A real man wouldn't attack a girl like that (especially if they are teenagers) and even if they broken his RV it is notnlike they were gonna harm then. It still doesn't justify his actions..

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's not right to characterize Frank like some entirely innocent fun guy, but it's also wrong to say he was pure scum looking to exploit and hurt people.
He's hinted to have a tough life like many other characters did. He did some really bad things and it cost him Rachel, which fucked him up even more and worsened his temper. Blaming him for her death is a stretch and it's that loss that motivates him to want to do better.
Also, him flipping out on Max knowing Pompidou's name was just irrational because he wasn't thinking right and was starting to become paranoid since Chloe was accusing him of hurting Rachel. Pretty sure Pomp's name was on his food bowl outside the RV in Ep 4.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@ZeroReborn
A real man wouldn't attack a girl
Stopped reading right there. Go be a white knight somewhere else.

TechHater
TechHater

@Fried_Sushi
So you are also defending his drug selling thing and accidentally causing Rachel's death either? Karma is a bitch.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@cum2soon
Yeah you're right. Those hard drugs were forcibly injected and she was hypnotised to sleep and have a relationship with Frank then Jefferson
She just said all that Tempest stuff as just joking around with her friend

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Methshot
When is Chloe mean to Max? She says some things she clearly doesn't mean and she retracts them and tries to do some kind of action to make up for it. Like taking Max to visit Kate.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Carnalpleasure
Blaming him for her death is a stretch
He was selling dangerous drugs for high school students for several years without stopping to think about it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Fried_Sushi
YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RACHEL IT IS TOO LATE SHE IS GONE
Come on... Frank... let's just talk.
*he attacks Max*
Her knowing pompidou's name isn't the only scenario that he attacks her, hust wanted to mention.

Supergrass
Supergrass

This is Rachel, a human never to be trusted.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Ignoramus
I can't explain why Rachel did the things that she did, but she never wanted to hurt Chloe. That's why she never told her.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Burnblaze
He was selling drugs to people he thought were using them on themselves. It's wrong to do but pretty much every town has at least one drug dealer. Not every town has psychos who drug others against their will.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Dreamworx
Have you ever cheated on someone user? Because you're justifying Rachel like you have
I don't know why I did it I didn't mean it
That's not an excuse

farquit
farquit

@TalkBomber
Kek, poltard much? I am saying attack on person who is suitable on your own kind. If you want to gain ego by attacking vulnerable and weak person, then yes you are no man

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@TechHater
So you are also defending his drug selling thing
Yes. Gotta do something to not starve to death
accidentally causing Rachel's death either?
He's not responsible for what OTHERS do with the stuff THEY bought from him.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure
lol okay

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Gotta do something to not starve to death
Get a job, junkie.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BlogWobbles
he provides an example
you provide nothing
Hmmm

SniperGod
SniperGod

@BlogWobbles
Don't raise a point if you can't defend or prove it. Chloe is not mean or abusive to Max, that's some crap said by a tiny minority on Tumblr.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Supergrass
That makes me so angry, i feel bad for Chloe, but at least she's now with someone who really loves her.

happy_sad
happy_sad

ITT now defending violent drug dealers

takes2long
takes2long

The holocaust never happened either, because it was in an AU fanfic. It hasn't happened here in my hugbox universe.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Methnerd
@SniperGod
I don't really give a shit, but theres a reason lots of people who arent invested in her character dislike her and its because she can be obnoxios
shes not mean to Max
lol try not agreeing with her on everything
she didnt mean it!
no one cares
she had a hard life!
many people did, not an excuse

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@farquit
If you have a XY chormosomes, you are a male. That's all. There's no other objective, rooted in reality and not in a double standart criteria that defines a human as male. Sex doesn't matter when it comes to confrontations. You provoke, be ready to get some. Man or woman. Don't expect to get a free pass for being a female.
poltard
You know, for all the times i've witnessed actual /pol/tars going nuclear and screeching SJW! at someone for simply not sharing their delusions, sometimes it's good to be reminded that actual SJWs are exactly the same.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@takes2long
reality and fiction are the same
I mean totally unsurprising coming from the pricefieldfag hours of this general

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SniperGod
also
tiny minority on Tumblr
go literally anywhere that isnt here or plebbit

likme
likme

@happy_sad
Well, this is the same thread where people defended manipulative, cheating, junkie slut after all

Supergrass
Supergrass

Abusive father
Finds out a dark family secret
Her mom isn't actually her mom
Actual mother is a witch that gave her weird fire powers
Accidentally burned down an entire forest when she had an emotional breakdown
Not usually into girls but finds a nice gf
Most popular girl at school but there is literally graffiti all over calling her a whore and wishing for her death
Probably questioning her sexuality and her evil Republican dad probably calls her a dyke for ruining his reputation as a Conservative
Desperately wants out of her depressing, dying hometown that is run by some weird evil rich people
Can't leave behind all of this no matter how she tries and it is all she ever thinks about
Discovers that drugs make all of this tolerable

Yeah, I can't imagine why this situation might drive a girl to her breaking point and cause her to start acting totally unlike herself.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@SniperGod
Bullshit. You totally defended step-stalker! Fuck everybody!
Yes, Kate Marsh killed herself. She's dead. Such sad.
You can always let me get busted like you did with the weed.
You are ridiculous. I don't see you for five years, and your first response is to break my glass snow dome. Thanks Max...
It's not my pot, it's from Max!
Yeah, I don't see why people would get annoyed by her at all.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Soft_member
Kisses ^_^

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Nude_Bikergirl
I am saying even in normal situation (while Max was comforting Frank) he still attacked on her. I am not sure how will you even justify it @ZeroReborn

@lostmypassword
Definition of Retard in one post.

And yes, tell me every le sjw memes.. but I am not one of them neither and they are retarded as much as you are. If you are real man you wouldn't attack on someone else who are weaker than you and "harmless"

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Supergrass
this makes it ok to promise your marriage to the already lonely broken girl and then break all those promises
Yeah nah

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evil_kitten
I'm not justifying cheating but we don't know if she ever actually cheated. She hurt Chloe, but even Chloe never outright said that she cheated.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Stark_Naked
She apologised after all of those. I guess you were busy with something else while she was admitting her own mistakes.

And she had character development in good way. She also nevet betrayed Max and was the only person you could trust (since she says her own true opinions without thinking)

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Supergrass
Not usually into girls but finds a nice gf
she must have been openly into girls already because Victoria's first reaction to a photo of her with Chloe is to assume it's her "arm candy" and Steph's first reaction is to assume they were on a date.

Anyway what happened to her hush money

farquit
farquit

@Deadlyinx
And David apologized for being a dick, but I didn't see him skyrocketing to the top of people's personal favorites after that.
Point is, it's hard to not find a character that doesn't care about you just witnessing your friend (attempt) suicide obnoxious.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@lostmypassword
being apologist of drug dealer who also caused her ex's death with his own drugs
can somebody dial 911 ?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nojokur
Then she promised all that crap about running away and being together forever in the Tempest was a lie and just as hurtful

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Supergrass
Abusive father
tumblr-tier bullshit
Finds out a dark family secret
overstatement of the sentury
Actual mother is a witch that gave her weird fire powers
At this point she doesn't know that, thus that fact could not have any effect on her
Most popular girl at school but there is literally graffiti all over calling her a whore and wishing for her death
She's a big girl who can handle a few mean words, not a tumblrina
Probably questioning her sexuality and her evil Republican dad probably calls her a dyke for ruining his reputation as a Conservative
kek, none o that is even remotely true
The rest is pretty much just wordsalad of your headcanons and/or irrelevant to your final point.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Stark_Naked
Specifically why I said she says things she doesn't meant and apologizes. The only one she was genuinely upset with Max was the snow dome and that's because it was one of the few physical reminder she had of her father.
All of those also optional and even the one about Kate is what results in her apologizing and bringing Max to visit her.

I'm not saying Chloe is perfect or without fault, but to act like she's no good and treats Max badly is bullshit.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@hairygrape
She fucked up but there was no conscious effort. She was a kid who made the worst possible decisions at that point in her life and she paid the ultimate price for it. What more do you want from her?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@farquit
Yeah, David apologised, and admitted that he was also being wrong/his methods were wrong back then. Who even denied this? I was only talking about Chloe's character development there. Didn't shit on David (even if he made mistakes too earlier)

5mileys
5mileys

@Bidwell
Sadly it was a promise she did not have the power to keep it would seem.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@DeathDog
i am not fan of tumblrinas but also I find /pol/tards like you even more retarded. just re-read your own post and you will understand

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Gigastrength
Nothing
I'm trying to understand why so many people praise their love when it was obviously based on the sorts of things that stupid teenagers say (as you just mentioned)
I don't think she deserved to die but she didn't deserve Chloes love either

Bidwell
Bidwell

@MPmaster
If you are real man you wouldn't attack on someone else who are weaker than you and "harmless"
le real man
As i said, only respective biological makeup makes male a male. Any other criteria has no grounds in objective realiy and thus is worthless and irrelevant. And not attacking someone weaker than yourself is something that people OF BOTH SEXES should not be doing, not just men. Go be a roastie somewhere else. Frank isn't perfect, but hardly worse than, say, Rachel, or Chloe

farquit
farquit

@Firespawn
not an sjw
everyone who doesn't agree with me is a /pol/tard
why do i find that hard to believe?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Crazy_Nice
I believe what they had was real. It's obvious that it was true.

Unfortunately in Michel's universe tragedy follows everyone and destroys everything even if it doesn't make sense.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Bidwell
Thanks for proving that you are nu-male then. And you are still talking shamessly by giving irrevelant, retarded examples.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@5mileys
And why was that?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@farquit
it is easy to tell that you are poltard because of retarded same old buzzwords. even this post seems like a direct copy pasta from there jesus

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Bidwell
I would say Frank's actions overall were worse than anything Rachel or Chloe did (minus the starting the wildfire) but he can still redeem himself. He has reason and confidence.

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
can't engage with arguments
resorts to memes
not surprised

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberfire
Who knows. There is too much to the story that we will never know.

What I do know is, as desperate as Rachel was, if there were any opportunity for it to happen she would have ran with it.

farquit
farquit

@Bidwell
We are only talking about video game here, and what happened in story was ; whatever you did, when Frank got angry in every scenario (while Max was comforting him) HE ATTACKED on Max. Focus on this and justify it if you can even if you can't.

There was also cut stuff for him where he kills both of girls with a fucking gun.

massdebater
massdebater

@Bidwell
Exactly this.
I don't know why so many people see this scene as a happy one, it's actually very depressing knowing what's gonna happen next.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I don't know what happened three years down the road from this moment and I don't really care. It doesn't matter in the end because what's done is done.

This was true love and it was beautiful.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@w8t4u
Unfortunately in Michel's universe tragedy follows everyone and destroys everything even if it doesn't make sense.
This. There's no point in arguing because there's no logic behind it. It's not that she was lying when she said she wants to run away with Chloe. She wanted to leave more than anything and so did Chloe eventually. But then they just didnt do anything to actually achieve that after they were ready to #yolo it and just waited to get into retardedly stupid situation to get themselves killed because fuck logic.
Michel can suck a dick

farquit
farquit

@w8t4u
Well if that's your opinion then there's no point discussing it with you. That was how Rachel's character was created. D9 tried as hard as they could to change that but ultimately I think they made Rachel look worse than before because of all the broken promises to poor Chloe

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Firespawn
now I'm curious, elaborate

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Booteefool
But as a prequel they should have followed the source material
See @farquit
That's what Rachel's character was originally. And Zak made her look worse with all the lies in BtS

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Firespawn
it is easy to tell that you are poltard
even this post seems like a direct copy pasta from there jesus
And that's what makes it easy to tell that you call everyone who disagrees with you /pol/ and that you've no idea what you're talking about. I bet you've never even been to /pol/, let alone being able to correctly recognise a /pol/ copypasta.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@massdebater
Isn't that true for every scene in the entire franchise?

Even if you make every right choice, the culmination of the story is still either to let Chloe bleed out on the bathroom floor alone and believing that no one in the world loves her, or to kill everyone else except for her and hope she can deal with the unfathomable reality that you just lost every one and every thing you have ever known except for Max.

If I were Chloe I'd rather die. So would you. So would anyone.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Booteefool
She was a druggy
Pretty reasonable and logical path for someone like Rachel as she was originally created since she was supposed to be the driving the plot

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TalkBomber
we will never know.
If there is something you dont know, you stick with what seems most likely.
And the evidence so far indicates that Rachel was a giant whore, jumping on ANYTHING to get out of Arcadia Bay.
From what we know, Frank was her first priority ticket out.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@kizzmybutt
well it's a problem to people who see the games as the universe, fortunately I'm not one of them so i dont really care.
however even disregarding BtS completely, Rachel and Chloe still could have gotten jobs instead of muling drugs or scamming known unstables of the town.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@cum2soon
No one ever does, Rachel.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

thread full of dontnod apologists
What times is it in France? Is this the time shills start their shifts?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@MPmaster
No, idiot they are perfectly HAPPY and they only need EACH OTHER and will be together FOREVER they are actually fucking is Seattle RIGHT NOW 10/10 would genocide the town again if given the chance, no regrets

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Sharpcharm
There's a difference between DONTNOD apologists and people discussing the franchise despite the flaws.
It's much better than "haha s1 isn't canon max is a fanfic writer' cancer.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@cum2soon
No one ever does, Rachel

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Sharpcharm
I was wondering the same
I think it's like 10am in France so very likely.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sharpcharm
waaaahh! people don't venomously hate on people i don't like for no reason! SHILLS!
not everyone is a retarded amberfag, you idiot

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Booteefool
t. Michel

likme
likme

@CouchChiller
t. Zak

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

People still acting like the storm killed everyone
Come on

TreeEater
TreeEater

@likme
thanks for the compliment

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Lunatick
You realize this works against Amberprice more right?
Everyone at 15 thinks they're gonna marry that sweetheart making big promises and such.
When in reality few people stay together beyond high school. So really Chloe and Rachel are in the same boat and would not have lived happily ever after
Max and Chloe are more likely because they shared something that literally no other couple has

girlDog
girlDog

@TreeEater
A compliment in return for a compliment, so you're welcome

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nojokur
Yeah that's right, no many couples have blood of innocents, including their own family on their hands to bond over.

massdebater
massdebater

@MPmaster
I would rather die
Harvest your organs to save someone then.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@girlDog
Are you saying you are glad to be called a Michel?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Falseflaggeretard is shitting on the thread again

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BlogWobbles
Better than being called a Zak, that's for sure.

Evilember
Evilember

@AwesomeTucker
Lemme guess: they're codependent

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@AwesomeTucker
no many couples have blood of innocents
Indeed. And pricefield is no exception

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Evilember
No obviously they are the most perfect couple to ever exist. I read all the fics so I know.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@AwesomeTucker
So what, you think it'd be kinder to make Joyce bury her child?

farquit
farquit

@AwesomeTucker
Max and Chloe killed no one and over some time they would realize that.

5mileys
5mileys

@TreeEater
go back to torturing teenage girls in your private bunker faggot

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TreeEater
Okay Michel.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@DeathDog
I read all the fics so I know.
Why is it that amberfags are the goldmine of irony?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@DeathDog
moving goalposts
K I figured you were the user I though you were

Methnerd
Methnerd

@5mileys
@AwesomeTucker
Zak, plz. Just cause my game is better than your fanfic...

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Illusionz
anime poster
Nice way to keep dragging down Amberprice tards image

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

At least I can confirm that for now that people who says she used Chloe and "she loved Frank(while developers confirmed in their game that she didn't) and Jefferson (for fame, mostly) " as in true love way will get BTFO'd after episode 3. Because something big will revealed and you will find out it is actually connected with her mother and mystical shit. In overall they will at least imply that what led Rachel to have messed up personality in future; that why she wanted to escape from that town so bad.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@5mileys
It is a good cosplay, even if it's showing one of the darker parts of the game.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@JunkTop
you have hilarious and totally unwarranted levels of self-importance

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Gigastrength
jefferson is his obvious self insert in the game
He wanks to blood and torture which you can see in his game and art

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Lord_Tryzalot
love Chloe
but slept with others
but she did it ironically so it's ok for Chloe
Yeah nah

FastChef
FastChef

@CodeBuns
You have hilarious and unwarranted levels of shitposting

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Lord_Tryzalot
it will be revealed she was born cursed and that on her 18th birthday she was to become a succubus and only by leaving the town the curse would stop but also it would render her unable to pursue leaving the town in normal ways

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BunnyJinx
she was born cursed and that on her 18th birthday she was to become a succubus and only by leaving the town the curse would stop but also it would render her unable to pursue leaving the town in normal ways
Is that how amberfags trying to rationalize Rachol being a slut?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Lord_Tryzalot
She loved Frank(while developers confirmed in their game that she didn't)
Stop projecting dude, it's embarrassing.

Evilember
Evilember

@Methnerd
Michyl's game
better than anything
Even ironically reading this just feels wrong

StonedTime
StonedTime

@King_Martha
You're one of the best things i have here and i smile when i think of us together
I fucking hate Rachel.

farquit
farquit

@Evilember
You have to let go of the envy, Zakles, my boi.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@farquit
everyone's is sucking Zak's dick right now though and jumped ship from Dontnod's cuckoldry

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

New thread

/vg/thread/195693407#p195693407
/vg/thread/195693407#p195693407
/vg/thread/195693407#p195693407

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@viagrandad
You mean they started getting cucked by Dontnod because they started worshiping Zak, while Zak is a fan of Dontnod and has no intention of altering what happened in the original

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@CodeBuns
More like, everyone appreciates BtS more than LiS and doesnt give a fuck about Michyl anymore

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Poker_Star
Keep telling yourself that and posting it here, maybe you'll be able to convince someone if you say it enough

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@hairygrape
leave your pleebit safe zone and you'll see for yourself my dude

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@BlogWobbles
Still plenty people posting and talking about the original characters and story
Keep talking out your ass

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Evil_kitten
Of course they do, how else could they point out the inferiority of Michyl's schlock?

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