Why is it that people have absolutely no empathy for the people of old who saw blacks as animals?
Today this opinion is in no way accepted but this knowledge is projected on to early settlers and explorers.
Imagine being an early explorer and coming across a completely foreign people. They prowl around; they may be wearing nothing more than a couple beads or a loincloth; they speak in indiscernible clicking noises, indistinguishable from that of some other ape; and yet people are appalled and shocked to hear that some of these primative people were kept in zoos.
The fact is that we today draw strict lines of what constitutes human and not and we decide that animals are simply worth less. We're happy to kill and enslave animals we dont deem equal. How can so many judge the actions of ignorant or even illiterate fools with no knowledge of the world as a whole? If you were these people and you saw picture related, could you seriously say that you would be able to tell it apart from an ape?
It is an almost guaranteed fact that our morals are not accurate. It's inevitable that morals will change at some point to look back at our society today and be disgusted with how we treat food animals but pretty much everyone walks around thinking they're so right, disgusted by the thought of racism or slavery. It doesnt make sense.
This is some high quality bait right here. Top notch stuff. You are going to be reeling em in.
Easton Rivera
I feel like I'm in bizarro world
Stuff like this is so obvious to me and I feel like it should be obvious to everyone else but people are absolutely controlled by their modern morals, it shapes every opinion they have and I'd be surprised if any thought they'd ever had was thunk up by themselves as opposed to being manufactured for them to regurgitate.
Gabriel Lopez
Dehumanizing them happened at the trading block. There was a quite a bit of trade between the three massive slave trade empires within Africa. Slavers just bought those people from local Africans. It made those empires quite wealthy, but the dehumanizing of these people occurred at the market.
Tyler James
That's a picture of an Aboriginal, not a black person.
Isaac Murphy
People believe history is the same as the present, and people should be vilified as if it was. I see where you're coming from, and you make some interesting points.
It's just that in the world today, being strong doesn't mean the same thing in the past. If you are the stronger people then you make the rules. It's just not the same today, and the vast majority of people, obviously even ones on this board do not realize just how different a time we live in. Just think, women are capable of warring now a days due to our advanced technology in distance warfare. But people today believe women have always been just as capable as men throughout human history.
Justin Sullivan
It's because man is too terrible a creature for people to handle. Only Man and Humanity, with capital letters, namely abstract constructs conformable to some pre-determined ideology, are palatable. Spme of the best men that ever lived were "problematic", or downright "monsters" by liberal standards.
Landon Lee
And the video that first made me think about this was of Sentinelese people
Irrelevant to the point
Brayden Hughes
Well if you make a post about historic people dehumanizing black people, and don't post a picture of a black person, it's not that irrelevant.
Ryan Ward
You make some good points OP
It's interesting to think that even anti-slavery activists would be thought of racist today
Ryan Sanchez
t. autism
Andrew Murphy
Where do you think you are?
Jayden Ward
Look at that person's skin. She's darker then any nigger in Georgia today.
Ryder Roberts
And more closely related to your pasty ass than any African. Just goes to show how retarded arbitrary the "white" and "black" labels are.
Xavier Nguyen
I'm talking about primative people, you fucking retard
Aboriginals would have been the best example of this because at least in Africa by the time northern europeans got there they had some level of contact.
Aboriginals were severely undeveloped and isolated.
Isaac James
normiechan
Noah Robinson
Any person will take any opportunity of being a dick. Difference is how removed they have to be to not feel guilt or doubting.
Henry Edwards
When I was very young I saw a photo of a lynching in a newspaper. People were smiling around a black corpse hanging from a tree. It fucked me up emotionally to see that. It's not like I had racism is bad drilled into my head or something. I just saw that and that was my immediate response, empathy for another human being and the desire to kill the people that were happy about this.
I don't really care what they were taught or what they believed. I feel no sympathy when 80 year old nazis are hunted down and tried either. You were just doing your job? Fuck you, what you did was evil and disgusting. I emphasize with the victims not the perpetrators.
Anthony Barnes
>I suffered an emotional collapse over a propaganda picture
They weren't propaganda, they were novelty items, used for amusement.
Logan Anderson
Why should people have empathy for criminals, murderers and rapists?
Owen Gray
Are you trying to imply that every person that was lynched was a criminal, a murderer, or a rapist?
Blake Lee
Probably not every single one, but it's a safe bet most of them were.
Lincoln Watson
So you cab put up various things that separate a person from something that increases emotional distance like mobs, memes, social mores etc.
Easton Collins
Most of the killings happened in the immediate aftermath of the civil war as a way for revanchist forces to maintain political control.
Matthew Martin
You know they can't prove that wrong since they are dead and all. Innocent until proven guilty was out of the window.
Ian Scott
Even if you are a criminal, a murderer, or a rapist you still deserve a fair trial and the same punishment anyone else would get. I had a similar reaction to the Abu Ghraib photos. I'm not unwilling to also acknowledge that those people were probably the scum of the earth. There's no excuse for behaving like the scum of the earth yourself though.
Hudson Parker
No, the number of lynchings peaked between 1900 and 1920.
Zachary Cooper
Did you also get triggered by lynched Mussolini pics?
Jack Lee
>It fucked me up emotionally You sound really similar to lots of vegetarians and vegans.
Really makes you think.
Jonathan Richardson
>There's no excuse for behaving like the scum of the earth yourself though.
There is if there is no witness or you have group protection.
Luis Davis
No.
Austin Anderson
I am never distraught by pictures of corpses unless I knew the person personally or something, and I'm not some edgy sociopath. Saying you got fucked up by some blurry person of a hanged guy sounds like virtue signaling, there's no need for that on this board.
Charles Fisher
I'll second that because everyone knows exactly what he did. No sympathy for Saddam's public hanging video either.
John Nguyen
He should have been tried though.
Kevin Powell
Without a question. He should be sharing a cell with Bush right now.
Joshua Bell
>black guy gets lynched >he should've stood a trial >but EVERYONE KNOWS she raped that girl
See how it works?
Benjamin Thompson
And that's more of a tragedy because post Saddam Iraq was worse somehow.
David Russell
Where's the evidence? We have plenty of evidence of the atrocities committed by tyrants.
Levi Gray
And Blair to an they'll never be touched nor will it ever in events similar to this past present and future.
Jayden Taylor
I'm sure the villagers who lynched the criminals had plenty of evidence, otherwise they wouldn't do it. The testimony of the raped women for example.
Juan Powell
Add Hillary and Obaba to the list.
Hudson Diaz
any aussie can tell you abos aint people
fuckers sleep on roads
Levi Torres
this, bunch of petrol huffing lazy cunts
Andrew Richardson
Obama won a Nobel Peace Prizeā¢ though :^}
>Stupid villagers >Proper evidence Heh
Daniel Phillips
How are they stupid?
Matthew Morris
Let's say I get in a dispute with you over property. I tell my wife to say you raped her. That makes it okay to kill you right?
Kayden Murphy
Because they didn't Lynch enough
Jeremiah Myers
I'm white though ;^)
Nathaniel Baker
You look kinda Mexican to me.
Julian Cox
Yes user that's totally what happened. It was all an elaborate conspiracy to make shit up and lynch negroes, no actual rapes took place.
Adrian Morgan
Even if one did that does not justify a lynching. It still deserves a trial. You can compare a single rape to murder and abuses committed en masse at the direction of a dictator all you want but it doesn't really fit.
Levi Campbell
Yes. Maybe we can rehabilitate the 70 IQ, worthless negro rapist to become a functional member of society again.
Justin Anderson
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Jeremiah Hill
This is precisely why there was a death penalty for rape in the old south.
You don't need to bother playing nab the negro when a court of law will do it for you.
Charles Lewis
The courts in your favor either way his state of innocence.
Ethan Harris
t. autism
Dominic Perez
i clicked on this thread because i thought it looked interesting. i was interested in seeing the responses. what would Veeky Forums have for me today. would i happen upon a new viewpoint? a new way of looking at something? interesting new knowledge? no. i would not. literally /b/ tier responses. thank you for reminding who i share this board with :)
Landon Carter
What's the best thing to do when the quality of discussion isn't to your liking? Try to steer it in a different direction? Add your own ideas? No, that's fucking stupid. Why would anyone do that when they could just bitch?
William Gonzalez
no, that is the correct way to do things around here. that was precisely the point of my comment you snide fuck
Carter Evans
Why would you purposefully add nothing to the conversation? You are a fool of intellectual discourse
Ian Collins
>emoticons faggot no one needs you
Elijah White
As an Aussie who's lived next to Aboriginal people I can tell you that you're fucked in the head.
Sebastian Hughes
You mean the light-skinned ones who are the products of several generations of interbreeding between colonists and the absolute top-percentile for looks and intelligence of the abo population?
Because if you live next door to the parasitic, gas huffing, uglier-than-chimps standard variety, YOU'RE the one fucked in the head for thinking they're anywhere close to the rest of the human population. I'll even concede that they can be called Homo Sapiens, but the social and mental development of most of their population is ten thousand years behind everyone else.
Ten thousand years might be too generous, sorry. There were cultures actually building cities back then.
Caleb Wright
>what you did was evil and disgusting So how do you feel about the tribe of white pygmies that Africa RULES OF NATURE'd out of existence? That's acceptable genocide? No blood on your hands?
If someone was autistic enough to fund a study that properly quantified suffering, ran it in the modern world and then worked with historians to run it in most periods, I think there'd be some fun results.
Matthew Garcia
>women are capable of warring now a days No, they aren't. They are demonstrably incapable and have been seen as such across the board across multiple continents and within multiple countries within them. You BELIEVE that they should be, however you do not seek the evidence of your reasoning.
>Veeky Forums can't into impricism Wew lad.
Jace Cox
>next to Melbourne metro mate? As someone who has lived in the thick of it, VERY few have their shit together. The ones I've met that do are stolen generation-teir who ended up being raised white in foster or by relatives. I'm not taking a stance but your immediate instinct to take issue likely means you've never actually experienced any of it.
Sebastian Collins
>/pol/yp getting triggered over anecdotal evidence or not even realising the cultural connection Abos had to the land.
No, you're pretty fucked in the head m8.
Jaxson Jackson
>There were cultures actually building cities back then Top kek
>cultural connection None in the metro do. Very few in the desert and forests do either. Have you been to a community or lived near one for an extended time? Do you like, know anything about it at all. Anecdotal evidence is worthless for a reason. That reason is that it mightn't be shared by others due to it being an exeptional example. Most experiences and the australian statistics can back up his claim that they experience issues as a population. I am not going to suggest causes or solutions but to pretend that there aren't massive issues is pathetic and decietful.
Evan Cox
>cultural connection Abos had to the land
You mean the culture that was practically static for 40,000 years? The one that burned down forests to hunt?
Adam Nguyen
I thought only retards apply modern moral values onto cultures of the past. What is this fucking thread even about?
Luke Harris
Fuck off, you guys are racist pieces of shit. White trash.
Landon Morales
Hello abo, how do you do?
Christopher Sanders
>This and Tulsa race riot Jesus Chris America, you people are fucking insane.
Eli Parker
Yeah, where do you come from? Odds are I can find an equally fucked up thing about your country.
Charles Myers
This is the good shit I wait for.
Cooper Sullivan
Yes, I actually went an stayed in a community, and it was fine.
NT is fucked in regards to its laws and punishments
No the ones that didn't fuck with the land and lived nomadically while trading with Indonesians
Jose Myers
>White trash >implying I came from good stock actually. I'd bet good money that any child I have will have an IQ over 110.
I wouldn't bet given the odds these days. Might turn out an autistic Sonic the Hedgehog fan.
Brandon Lopez
*cringes*
Hudson Perez
>laws and punishments You mean like, no real punishments? You mean like the fact that they are all paid to break and burn shit? You mean like how the rest of the populace doesn't do any of that shit? NT is a bit wild but communities are another level
Also the fact that you stayed there is amusing. People who LIVE near there have more to say. Perhaps because it's their property that is destroyed and their peace that is disturbed. Furhter, the rates of intercommunity violence, sexual assualt and child molestation if THROUGH THE ROOF. If you went there and they smiled at you I'm sure it's all fine. You liked it so it must be good
>social conservatism Ayyy. I wonder what these rates would have looked like when the pervailing opinion was racist. In reality any and all out-spoken fringe movements are filled with people who have less to lose. That doesn't mean the idea held by others, it's just not espoused as readily. See Trump/Brexit
Possible, sadly
Matthew Scott
Lack of empathy is the reason for all disagreeings. Some people are just allergic to even a smidgen of relativism.
Mason White
Wow, it's almost like intelligent people would say 'no, of course I'm not racist! haha,' to keep their jobs and social life or some shit.
Just a thought.
Anthony Morgan
Funny. He was tried and was hung. Told everyone what they were doing was illegal.
Nathan Hill
>relativism What on earth does relativism have to do with empathy? You realise it's possible for objective or criterion based approaches to understand difference in context without sucumbing to relativistic moral degradation right?
Christopher Evans
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Gabriel Campbell
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Henry Martin
>Ten thousand years might be too generous, sorry. An interesting comparison. I am no biologist but cows are not native to the United States. So how did the long horn come about, a cow native to Texas? Hundreds of years of natural selection. Cows from Spain, to Mexico, eventually ended up in northern Mexico and Texas. There are a lot of studies that have concluded in the differences of "races" however we cannot as a sentient species label them as any kind of sub-human for fear of brutality that may arise.
Kayden Baker
Yes, of course it's possible to realize others intentions outside a relativistic frame of mind. But I just wanted to see what happens if it gets mentioned.
For relativism has much to do with empathy.
Isaac Brooks
Relitivism has literally nothing more to do with empathy than anything else.
Ayden Williams
So you are saying we can't judge people of the past by modern day morals. I think there are two ways to look at it. The first is that it is unfair to judge someone one standard that didn't even exist in their time. The second is that we are not judging the people so much as the societal values as a whole. Thus our condemnation of them allows us to assert the correctness of our values.
I understand people can from different times have different values but I find it impossible not to judge people when they commit heinous acts by the standards of their own time.
Noah Reed
The belief that any value is and can be found by the subjective that is sufficiently set so by their perception, has in fact no particular accordance with conducting oneself empathetically.
Or maybe I got it wrong?
Hudson Kelly
>but I find it impossible not to judge people when they commit heinous acts by the standards of their own time. This is where Relativism kicks in. A certain tribe of Indians eat their dead as a ceremony of moving into the after life. If you were to ask a Englishmen the same thing he would give you the same look that Indian would if you asked him to bury his dead. Note that both these people lived in the same times. Its all contemporary.
Your not wrong your just explaining it very poorly by using Empathy to describe empathetically.
Jace Morgan
I mean you're partially right but I think if they paid attention even the first explorers would have noticed behavior that indicates a pretty big difference between black humans and apes. They just didn't give much of a shit.
Jaxson Russell
You're wrong. Relativism has nothing to do with the pragmatic understanding of an idividuals emotional state, behavioural tendencies, personal history and ideology. Those are simply features to be examined. The ability to do this effectively is the process of being empathetic, not sympathetic. Relativism has more to do with symapthy e.g forgiving the person who was 'forced' into a bad situation for their atrocities. Just because you can understand why doesn't mean you should accept that it's 'okay', that's relativistic. Empathy has nothing to do with the criterion, objective or subjective stance you take on the facts, merely your ability to properly percieve the factors and model them onto yourself personally. Empathy= understanding Sympathy= caring
Wyatt Sullivan
>The belief that any value is and can be found by the subjective that is sufficiently set so by their perception