/tekgen/ - Tekken General

King_Martha
King_Martha

Previous thread: /vg/thread/201526905#p201526905

= NEWS =
Patch 1.08
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/9/28/tekken-7-version-108-update-changes-player-info-in-ranked-ag.html
Noctis Reveal Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWbiMwxmOU
Patch 1.09
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/11/28/tekken-7-version-109-adds-dlc-character-geese-howard-rematch.html
Geese Launch Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/embed/mXCZ0mnapMw
Patch 1.10
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/12/13/tekken-7-version-110-input-lag-reduction-patch-out-now.html

= BASIC INFORMATION =
Notation
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
Fergus' character overviews
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/
Frame data for every character
http://rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
Top 15 moves for all characters
https://drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
/tekgen/ T7 Character Information Compilation (wip)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q

= TUTORIAL VIDEOS FOR NEW PLAYERS =
How to Approach 3D Fighting Games
https://youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU
Korean Backdash Cancel (KBD)
https://youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94
https://shoryuken.com/2017/02/17/this-is-the-year-you-will-learn-how-to-perform-tekkens-korean-backdash/
Button Buffering
https://youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8
Options at the wall
https://youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o
How to get off the ground
https://youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
https://youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
Low parrying
https://youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U
Oki/Tech Trap
https://youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0
Throw Breaking
https://youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI
Wavedash
https://youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM
Wavedash/Backdash on pad
https://youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU
Combo video playlist for each character
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n
Combo video playlist for each character
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/9/28/tekken-7-version-108-update-changes-player-info-in-ranked-ag.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWbiMwxmOU
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/11/28/tekken-7-version-109-adds-dlc-character-geese-howard-rematch.html
https://www.youtube.com/embed/mXCZ0mnapMw
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/12/13/tekken-7-version-110-input-lag-reduction-patch-out-now.html
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/
http://rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
https://drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q
https://youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU
https://youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94
https://shoryuken.com/2017/02/17/this-is-the-year-you-will-learn-how-to-perform-tekkens-korean-backdash/
https://youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8
https://youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o
https://youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
https://youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
https://youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U
https://youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0
https://youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI
https://youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM
https://youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n
https://youtu.be/0VClLTCxB7s?t=407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV1UBe7sHiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Fx8CLlaWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A
https://twitter.com/KuronekoVR/status/951573493728104450?s=17
https://clips.twitch
https://twitter.com/tekkenchanel/status/952108729574440960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1JqYYZ7QE0
http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/third_person.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYOV4ndoKo
https://www.twitch
https://smash.gg/tournament/strongstyle-european-qualifier/events/tekken-7-singles/brackets/190913
https://www.twitch.
https://www.twitch
WebTool
WebTool

first for homo luchadors

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

2nd for Lili

takes2long
takes2long

Reminder that God hates people who don't skip their intros and outros.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
harada is my god

girlDog
girlDog

@Ignoramus
I want to learn Lili!

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Which way am I supposed to sidestep Lili

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evil_kitten
whichever way you feel like beta

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Evil_kitten
SSL

Skullbone
Skullbone

I'm ashamed of my win/rank ratio

WebTool
WebTool

@Skullbone
I'm nearing 1k wins stuck in yellow ranks since 200 wins so don't feel bad

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Skullbone
tell us, mine is dookie too 63% still fighter
i wish i could stick with just one character but i found out playing other characters is the best way to learn how to deal with their shit

girlDog
girlDog

@Skullbone
then you're a bitch

Supergrass
Supergrass

@WebTool
@Stark_Naked
Grand Master with 230 wins after being demoted from Fighter

I play worse and worse everyday

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Supergrass
sounds to me that you were focusing on winning instead of learning. you know what to do

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Supergrass
cue post about df1 fundies

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Stark_Naked
No thats the thing, I wasnt

I always tried to play well without resorting to shit like snake edges

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Carnalpleasure
yikes, maybe you got a string of bad luck and got matched with smurfs.

i'm sure you can climb up to greens again if you did it once

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Carnalpleasure
I get that you're new so it's fine to make such mistakes but just so you know theyre called Hellmen

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Carnalpleasure
Sounds like you're missing some basic fundamentals then. The smurf problem isn't so bad that you shouldn't be able to grind yourself out of greens with basic punishment abilities.

SniperGod
SniperGod

I'm going to need more cute Alisa art.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Fucking hell why are Asukas bnb combos so fucking annoying to do properly
It's fucking hard for me to time the ff2,3. It's fucking hard for me to do 2,1 properly without doing 1+2 on accident. And it's so fucking hard for me to understand the timing on the last ff2,1

Skullbone
Skullbone

@ZeroReborn
It's fucking hard for me to do 2,1 properly without doing 1+2 on accident

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SniperGod
posts cropped shit instead of the full image
fuck you too

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Skullbone
I'm just used to doing the buffering by holding down 2 and then just pressing 1. But the recovery on her 2,3 is sometimes longer than I expect so the game thinks I'm just doing 1+2

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Skullbone
not him but I know what he means
when I press 2,1 too quickly 1+2 comes out

that said he's a filthy Asuka gorilla so fuck him

Methnerd
Methnerd

@CodeBuns
adapt nigga, and be more precise
And get a hitbox

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Methnerd
I'm already using a keyboard for it, you faggot. It's the same shit.

Illusionz
Illusionz

why are there barely any tekken funny pictures

Methnerd
Methnerd

@ZeroReborn
Standard keyboard or mech?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Methnerd
Standard. But I mapped my shit properly so there's no ghosting

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Illusionz
not changing michelle to kazumi

Nojokur
Nojokur

this hitbox meme is probably the funniest shit i've seen in here, right next to the bob kbd and bob reacting to i15 hopkick with rage art, keep it up guys

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Sharpcharm
he isn't kazuya, he's just dressing up as kazuya for a day dumb dumb

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nojokur
it's not really a meme though
the hitbox can do perfect/instant df motions because you just hold d while being able to press forward. This means near perfect crouch dashes, electrics and slides.
it's cheating

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Lord_Tryzalot
Gotta use what works

massdebater
massdebater

@Lord_Tryzalot
https://youtu.be/0VClLTCxB7s?t=407

DeathDog
DeathDog

starting to buy into the hitbox meme
check the prices
two hundred dollarydoos
no cheap chink clones and no second hand market
now I understand the need to justify having spent 200 bucks in a box with 24mm buttons to play against laggers. hope you have fun with your overpriced meme

viagrandad
viagrandad

get hit by DJ hellsweep out in the open, didn't even know it was coming at all
what? I'm THAT bad?
watch some footage of Qudans playing in tournaments
people get hit by this move nearly every round and it's rarely blocked
Okay so it's both a gapcloser and a low launcher that you can't react to, which he could also just mix up with a mid. What the fuck at least with stuff like demoman you can stand out of range and be safe of it but even that isn't a thing because mishima wavedash shenanigans.

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog
It's the people without a hitbox that are justifying the purchase though.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Lord_Tryzalot
the hitbox can do perfect/instant df motions
??????

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Lord_Tryzalot
cool theorycrafting but that's all nonsensical bullshit. The reason hitbox is good is because of SOCD, look it up.

SniperGod
SniperGod

So wait, just that I understand correctly - a hitbox is basically just a fancy oligo-button keyboard? Why are people angry about it? I use a non-ghosting mechanical keyboard, so if I decided to play with it, I could to the exact same shit, couldn't I?

TechHater
TechHater

@SniperGod
Yes.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Playboyize
Sure. You'll still be considered a bitch for using one.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperGod
Yes but you can't connect it to a PS4 without a converter that adds delay

Supergrass
Supergrass

@ZeroReborn
@PackManBrainlure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV1UBe7sHiU

look up any hitbox tutorials or better yet, if you have a keyboard, go into tekken, and pick Lee, now do his slide input, on stick or pad this is df,d,df, and it has to be done correctly. On keyboard/hitbox it's literally just d+ff3 because you get the clean input. This also works for things like electrics and crouch dashes, anything that requires precise movements are infinitely easier on hitbox. Like I said test it out right now with a keyboard it's the same thing
It makes all precise inputs trivial and it's cheating, get over it

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperGod
Broadly speaking. You can't really double tap on a keyboard though, which reduces the utility for perfect iWR moves.

Either way, you're abusing control methods which Tekken mechanics were never really designed to accommodate.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Supergrass
That video showcases SOCD, yes.

TechHater
TechHater

@hairygrape
doesn't matter what it's called fuckboy, it's cheating

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Supergrass
d/f is a precise input

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stupidasole
But every computer has a keyboard. Why is it considered a bad thing playing with standard peripherals?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Dreamworx
df is not a precise input but df,d,df is

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Dreamworx
d/f,d,d/f in a smooth motion, such that it hides a crouch animation and allows an instant slide is a difficult input.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Lord_Tryzalot
@Supergrass

yeah man fuck hitbox users, how dare they use reliable peripherals! They should get a 50% chance at best of hitting diagonals like the rest of us honest people!

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Dreamworx
nice reading comprehension

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SomethingNew
A keyboard is not a standard peripheral for Tekken.

Tekken should be played on arcade sticks only.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Gigastrength
I'll agree to that when quality arcade sticks come free with the game.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@massdebater
I actually agree with this. I think fighting game tournaments should only allow sticks since pad players are just poorfag shitters and hitbox players are too afraid to actually play on an even field.

askme
askme

@happy_sad
unmodified Sanwa sticks*
Korean sticks are cheating too

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@askme
There are demonstrable disadvantages to using a Korean stick. Hitboxes have no disadvantages.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@askme
@happy_sad
oh boy it begins

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BlogWobbles
I mean I'm not going to argue that some inputs like df or db aren't hard to get perfectly, but that is something both stick and pad deal with.
Put it this way, if the option is between a standard and an upgrade, you take the upgrade every time. The only reason top players aren't using hitboxes is because they've spent decades on arcade sticks and nobody is going to bring a hitbox to an arcade because you just look like an asshat

@happy_sad
PS4 is the tournament standard though, so good luck getting rid of controllers.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@askme
Yeah, basically official tournaments should just go back to arcade machines and local tourneys can make their own rules.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@BunnyJinx
Yes they do. Going back to neutral from a diagonal is more difficult because you need to leave two buttons at the same time, instead of just letting go of the stick.

This is a huge deal if you play Nina because it makes her SS1 cancels even harder.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@BinaryMan
neutral is harder on cheatbox than on stick
?????

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BunnyJinx
@BinaryMan
Oh and let's not forget: if you have a shitty ring finger on your left hand don't even think about getting a hitbox.
You need to be able to use your ring finger with the same dexterity of your index finger.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@BinaryMan
Going back to neutral from a diagonal is more difficult because you need to leave two buttons at the same time, instead of just letting go of the stick.
This makes absolutely no fucking sense.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

/tekgen/
Hitbox general
Can we just go back to talking about Tekken?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Poker_Star
Who are you quoting?

@AwesomeTucker
Nina's SS1 cancel requires you do these movements
SS1
b to go into backsway
u/b,n to cancel the backsway into neutral

You need to go back to neutral from u/b cleanly, and it's more difficult on a hitbox because if you let go of u before b, or viceversa, you'll get a backflip or a jump respectively.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I don't understand why people are so mad at hitboxes. I'm a stick player and I couldn't care less what you use. Execution is only a small part of tekken and the advantage the hitbox gives can't be that big or else all tournament players would be using hitboxes by now.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Sharpcharm
Oh and let's not forget: if you have a shitty ring finger on your left hand don't even think about getting a hitbox.
How the fuck do you think people kbd on a stick? The difference in finger dexterity required in immense.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Bidwell
How the fuck do you think people kbd on a stick?
With their wrist

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BunnyJinx
So let's add 1f of extra input delay to hitboxes compared to the other tournament standard controllers so it has a demonstrable disadvantage which completely invalidates all of its advantages.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@New_Cliche
We get mad because they can't shut the fuck up about them. They're like the vegans of fgc.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@PackManBrainlure
Who are you quoting?
are you literally braindead, can you not read?

@New_Cliche
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Fx8CLlaWc

watch this braindead blue rank pull out perfect kbds and just frames just because he got himself a cheatbox.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Saying hitboxes are op is an insult to tekken because you're implying that tekken is only about execution, and not also about decision making, matchup knowledge, framedata knowledge, etc

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Gigastrength
I wonder if it's the same person complaining about steve and lili, just to derail the thread.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Dreamworx
Movement is a big part of tekken, like it or not. Having a shortcut for movement is an abomination that shouldn't be conceived. Imagine having a button for kbd. Hitbox is almost there.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@ZeroReborn
This is what I said
Going back to neutral from a diagonal is more difficult
And this is what you quoted
neutral is harder on cheatbox than on stick

Nice reading comprehension, retard.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@New_Cliche
Because it's fraudulent as fuck that's why. You get these chucklefucks here on hitbox and keyboard talking about how inputs aren't difficult and then you have absolute frauds like SuperAkuma getting carried by Akuma's broken shit because he has perfect execution yet is shit at the game.
Execution is a big deal because Tekken is(unfortunately) balanced significantly on execution

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@RavySnake
Hitbox only changes the amount of work you need to get good execution for your movement but the results are exactly the same.
You made your choice to get a stick instead, and then you complain that you have to work harder?

This is just like TMM who picks a character who needs a lot of matchup knowledge and then refuses to study matchups. You're complaining about something that YOU chose.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CodeBuns
here's your entire quote
Going back to neutral from a diagonal is more difficult because you need to leave two buttons at the same time, instead of just letting go of the stick.

instead of letting go of the stick
implies that it's easier to go to neutral on a stick than on a cheatbox.

to this, I question your affirmation that it's easier to go back to neutral on a stick than on a cheatbox, to which you sharted all over with a shitty jp meme. kindly go fuck yourself.

askme
askme

Fuck off Fil you're a fraud

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

there sure is a lot of stick buyer's remorse ITT...

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Harmless_Venom
implies that it's easier to go to neutral on a stick than on a cheatbox.
Keywords being "from a diagonal", words that you have yet again ignored for whatever reason.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TalkBomber
Yeah I don't know what these niggers are complaining about, playing on stick feels great and I won't exchange it for any inherent advantage.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Sharpcharm
does not change the fact that you affirmed that it's easier when it's clearly not, it's just releasing two buttons, while you have to be careful to not accidentally get a random direction with your stick, and some sticks like hori ones even input the opposite direction if you straight up release it.

FastChef
FastChef

@Sharpcharm
I forgot, this is not only a problem for Nina's SS1 cancels as I've said here @PackManBrainlure
but it's also a problem for iWS for characters with a rolldash like Raven or Lili

King_Martha
King_Martha

@RumChicken
it's just releasing two buttons
If you release the other one first it fucks up whatever you were trying to do.

while you have to be careful to not accidentally get a random direction with your stick, and some sticks like hori ones even input the opposite direction if you straight up release it.
What does this have to do with what I said?
I'm not implying that hitbox isn't better, I was replying to a guy who said
hitboxes have no disadvantages
Which is wrong because going back to neutral from a diagonal is easier on stick.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@King_Martha
I just went into training mode with my keyboard and did Lili's dewglide into ws1 with ease, I have no idea what you're on about.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Why can't i use knuckledusters at a boxing match? Punches are only a small part of boxing and i still have to think strategic and apply mindgames.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Skullbone
Pick Nina and so SS1 into b,u/b,n

RumChicken
RumChicken

Since we are complaining about things, tekkenbot is cheating.

Spamalot
Spamalot

haha guise did i tell u im a hitbox user yet pls buy a hitbox

girlDog
girlDog

@RumChicken
Only if you use it online.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@RumChicken
Why can't i use knuckledusters at a boxing match?
Because they're illegal according to the official rules.

Methnerd
Methnerd

tfw Paul player using hitbox and tekkenbot
loving your green rank tears sticucks and lab faggots. t.Destroyer

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RumChicken
learning frames is cheating

t. blue rank

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I would agree with the anti hitbox crowd if it let you do things that are impossible on stick, but no it's just easier. You chose to buy a stick, now get fucking good

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Emberfire
learning frames by not having to learn them.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CouchChiller
t. 800h green rank

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@King_Martha
t. wasted 300 dollars on a worse peripheral because he followed a trend

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
I play on keyboard though

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
You still need to remember framedata. The bot tells you the frames after it's already too late to punish the move.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Dreamworx
learning frames more conveniently is not learning

5mileys
5mileys

@Snarelure
I did, though I never played nina before. I had more success in cancelling into neutral starting from up than from back, so after a backsway I did a u,ub,u and it cancelled into neutral. If you start from b, you'll get a backflip. This doesn't seem hard at all, since I can pull it off 4 out of 10 times without even knowing the character. I bet in one hour of training I can pull this consistently.

takes2long
takes2long

@Lord_Tryzalot
dont talk to me

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CouchChiller
Than what's the point of having execution in fighting games? In that case Tekken 8 could get rid of kbds and make ewgf a df+2 input. Who gives a shit anymore?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'm buying a hitbox and downloading tekkenbot right now. If you see a literal who btfo JDCR and Qudans at next year's TWT, you'll know who it is...

King_Martha
King_Martha

@takes2long
t. wasted 300 dollars

idontknow
idontknow

@5mileys
You're cancelling the backsway into a sidestep, and then the sidestep into neutral. All this cancelling loses you frames, this is not the proper way to do it.

likme
likme

So what character gets your blood boiling for no real reason? I absolutely loathe playing against Jin or Devil Jin. Fuck those 2 and their shitty unseeable hellsweep into full combo with wallcarry.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Firespawn
EWGF is not easier on hitbox. The only thing objectively easier is KBD which is not even an intended mechanic. Get fucked

Nojokur
Nojokur

@likme
Not character but specific players. I just can't stand tryhards that don't other customizing anything thinking they're tough shit. They're usually Kazuya mains too and have shit fundamentals.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Nojokur
Really? I hate people with sparkles and pink clothes myself

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Nojokur
I think my problem with jin stems from the sheer fucking number of jin players. Holy fucking shit there's too many of them and the character is such a pain to deal with.

askme
askme

@SniperWish
buzama da na

5mileys
5mileys

"Execution" is a thing of the past. Only old people care about execution.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@King_Martha
nah

King_Martha
King_Martha

KBD should be removed entirely and any peripheral that makes it easier is great in my book.

girlDog
girlDog

Beat two greens today while I'm still only at expert, by doing only punishes against them. It's crazy how the game changes when you pause, take a step back and wait for the opponent to do his crazy 10 hits combos and then you just slap him in the face like a bitch.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@King_Martha
this but unironically

Supergrass
Supergrass

@girlDog
I went from 3rd dan to grandmaster with shaheen just doing f2,3 as a punish. it's really that simple

Illusionz
Illusionz

@King_Martha
@Evil_kitten
These but with the expectation that no-one will respond seriously.

5mileys
5mileys

play against devil jin
go even
in the last round he evades my d/f 1 with some move that makes him duck and then fly into the air for a launch
lose
lmao outplayed.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@CouchChiller
saved it's ok

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@5mileys
pssh.. better luck next time, kiddo..

viagrandad
viagrandad

@5mileys
hh...nEHAHHAHAHA-HAHA

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CouchChiller
You can't do hayashida wave dash on stick

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Nude_Bikergirl
You can't without a script either

Emberburn
Emberburn

I can react to snake edges just fine but Xiaoyu's SS3 gets me every fucking time

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Emberburn
try to react to her sidesteps instead since she has two nasty lows out of it

Firespawn
Firespawn

@5mileys
Pretty much, it's because your generation doesn't have the attention span or dedication to perform execution generally.

Also you don't understand the concept of deferred gratification.

But hey uncharted is fun right?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Firespawn
Oh no, grandpa's losing it...

likme
likme

@Firespawn
what did he mean by this

Emberburn
Emberburn

@iluvmen
Actually you can do it on pad pretty easily
On pad enable the analog and do qcb on pad then up on the stick, repeat

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
You can on hitbox though. It's hard but not impossible like on a stick

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Fried_Sushi
got the inputs? I want to check it out

MPmaster
MPmaster

im buying a hitbox

Firespawn
Firespawn

when you suddenly can't play on 2p side anymore
just kill me lads.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Bidwell
@likme
Games are getting easier and you guys know it.

Both Tekken and Street fighter are much easier in both execution and tactics.

Hell even making music is a easier. I'm not necessarily saying it's all a bad thing, but it's apparent. I grew up a little before the age of the internet, and trust me, the mentally is a lot different (as you pointed out)

Just frames ain't cool no more.

Have a look at this video, might help explain it a little better than I can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A

Emberburn
Emberburn

@iluvmen
Seems to be qcb~u repeatedly but the u must be a single frame. I've also seen some people say it can be done with ub, or that you have to do u~d. Should look like this https://twitter.com/KuronekoVR/status/951573493728104450?s=17
Seems like it's about as practical as King's wavedash

WebTool
WebTool

@Fuzzy_Logic
nice reddit post grandpa

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Fuzzy_Logic
tekken is easier in execution
Please elaborate

Methshot
Methshot

How do I make use of Feng's backturned stance? When I try to use it for Oki people just kick me

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fuzzy_Logic
Explain how T7's execution has been made easier or return to reddit

Bidwell
Bidwell

@happy_sad
Most characters now have easy mode combos. Back in the day, you had to learn to DCK cancel with Steve or iSW with King to even land a basic combo.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Bidwell
You cannot play Steve in Tekken 7 without learning flicker-to-duck cancels.

You cannot play King in Tekken 7 without learning iSW.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@whereismyname
You cannot play King in Tekken 7 without learning iSW.
[citation needed]

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Bidwell
funny because t7 gave king a new juggle that forces him to do isw. It's the one off of his CH ff1

@RavySnake
Jesus christ talking to redditors is horrible.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RavySnake
He can't do GS mixups without knowing how to do iSW. Stop.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Fuzzy_Logic
this is the future you chose, grandpa
https://clips.twitch
.tv/ExcitedBitterCiderAllenHuhu

farquit
farquit

@Need_TLC
who gives a shit about 2d fighters

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Spamalot
funny because t7 gave king a new juggle that forces him to do isw. It's the one off of his CH ff1
Except you can finish that juggle with d/f+4,3 GS instead which is babby-tier shit (and actually offers better oki than iSW which gives you a legit reason to do it).

@Spamalot
You can't play King optimally without it but you can still do basic combos which is a far cry from what previous Tekkens allowed you to do. Without iSW, you were completely gimped as a King player previously.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@farquit
Anyone who gives a shit about fighting games.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Lord_Tryzalot
Just so we're clear, are we talking about green ranks or high level play? Because a King who can't iSW at high level is a dead King

StonedTime
StonedTime

@CodeBuns
stay on fgg please

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

>>>/fgg/

DBFZ will be dead in a week btw

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Harmless_Venom
You can probably get to high yellows at least without iSW.

You're still missing the point though. In pre-6 Tekken, you quite literally had no options for combo enders without iSW. You either did it, or you didn't play King. Simple as that.

Tekken 7 is objectively easier than its earlier iterations.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@haveahappyday
Tekken 7 is objectively easier than its earlier iterations.
Not to the point where it's super streamlined like that auto-combo shit that 2d fighters have now, though.
The things that used to be difficult are still just as difficult.

You can talk when CH df2 PEWGF stops being a justframe in justframe-timing.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@haveahappyday
You can probably get to high yellows at least without iSW.
you should really stop talking now

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@farquit
doesn't matter, the point still stands
execution will be brought down to a minimum and all your purist thoughts will be drowned in your tears. expect a kbd button in the next game in 5 years.

@haveahappyday
even if it's easier, it's still a tier above other fighting games from this generation for keeping the casualization to a minimum, but I expect a full blown casualization in the next iteration.
@Need_TLC
very true, it's a very low quality kusoge

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Playboyize
You can talk when the hardest thing in Tekken stops being hard
Oh, ok, I'm sorry, I guess we'll just disregard the fact that they have clearly streamlined every character in the game to give new players a basic entry point. The last patch even fixed Lee so he has some basic babby mode combos that don't require b+2 cancels.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@haveahappyday
execution will be brought down to a minimum and all your purist thoughts will be drowned in your tears. expect a kbd button in the next game in 5 years.
[citation needed]

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Garbage Can Lid
wait let me just warp to the future to provide you a source for one of my expectations

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Supergrass
I main King m8y. You can get him to yellows and beyond with his d/f+2,1 and d/f+1,2 strings and his basic launchers. King's throw game is surprisingly irrelevant at highter levels.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@AwesomeTucker
they have clearly streamlined every character in the game to give new players a basic entry point
Explain how this is bad.

The last patch even fixed Lee so he has some basic babby mode combos that don't require b+2 cancels.
It made his more damaging combos more consistent, which he seriously needed.
Anyways explain the above.

Techpill
Techpill

WAKE UP YOU FUCKING NORMIES I WANT TO PLAY TEKKEN
WAKE UP!!! ITS FUCKING SATURDAY YOU DONT HAVE WORK WAKE THE FUCK UP

Supergrass
Supergrass

@SniperGod
Exactly, now fuck off.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Techpill
Lars

get dodged kid

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Nojokur
Explain how this is bad.
It's not bad. It allows everybody to enjoy the game while leaving room for advanced players to gain the upper hand through execution. This is how fighting games should function.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Supergrass
reminder that hitboxes exist and kbd can already be done with 2 button presses so we're almost there. :^)

girlDog
girlDog

@ZeroReborn
My point is who gives a shit about low levels
@SniperGod
Then we agree

idontknow
idontknow

@PackManBrainlure
Name one character more honest than Lars

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I made it out

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@idontknow
Jin
inb4 muh hellsweep

5mileys
5mileys

@Spazyfool
kbd is not an intended feature

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Execution barrier is necessary to gatekeep casuals off online play. It's a never ending stream of going online, complaining and jumping onto the next game to complain again. Just cut the middleman.

massdebater
massdebater

@Lord_Tryzalot
muh hellsweep

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Knee finally won something by winning Afreeca Tekken League

Booteefool
Booteefool

@CouchChiller
Aren't those the guys that he has a contract with? All his streams have an Afreeca watermark

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Booteefool
https://twitter.com/tekkenchanel/status/952108729574440960

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Flameblow
Hm I dont follow but good for him. Which character did he win with? Is there a video of this somewhere?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
@whereismyname
I think you misunderstood him. He's talking about combos, about doing wildman cancels and iSW after a bound. Back in T6 and Tag 2 Steve's optimal combo was launcher, df1,2~1, f2,1~b~f3~db~n WS+1,2 !B. That's a lot harder than any of his combos in 7. And with King, it was a lot harder to land iSW after a bound than a tailspin. Tailspins send the opponent a lot farther and you have plenty of time to run up and do SW. In 6 and tag 2 his bound moves had a lot of recovery and put the opponent right at his feet so you had to do a real iSW to land that ender.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Gigastrength
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1JqYYZ7QE0

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperGod
That's inevitable with the new system.
There are still plenty of new things that are equally difficult, for example the optimal followup to the new Extended DCK f2 on block is cancelling the DCK into an instant wildman

askme
askme

@Spamalot
You can just do his u+1+2 grab

Soft_member
Soft_member

@askme
that grab has always been there

girlDog
girlDog

waiting forever to get matches
3 winquit/losequits in a row
what the fuck man play the damn game

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@idontknow
lars is easy mode

Supergrass
Supergrass

Please delete 2d characters from the game.

takes2long
takes2long

@girlDog
wait forever to get a match
can't quit no matter the reason because nobody else is playing anyway
such is life in orange

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Spazyfool
That's also completely unnecessary unless you absolutely must play Steve optimally. You could equally claim that doing massage combos off his EXT DCK 1 or FLK armour move is indicative of the difficulty of the character. But really, it isn't because those combos rarely appear in high level play, let alone casual play.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Carnalpleasure
unless you absolutely must play Steve optimally
Which you have to do at high level, which is the only level of play that matters when discussing balance and such things.

doing massage combos off his EXT DCK 1 or FLK armour move
That wasn't an intended feature so I wouldn't include those in my argument

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Gigastrength
Which you have to do at high level
Knee doesn't, Taisei doesn't. King players usually won't do f,f+1 combos in tournament matches unless they need the extra damage to kill their opponent.

Balance in tournament play for the past year has been defined in no small part by ease of use. This is why Dragunov is still sitting at the top of the tournament tier list and why Jack does so well.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TreeEater
Knee doesn't
He does
King players usually won't do f,f+1 combos in tournament matches
MBC does

tournament play
High level isn't exclusive to tournament play

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Bidwell
He does
Knee typically uses EXT DCK f+2, f+2 like everyone else.
MBC does
No dude, 90% of the time, he does not. Even for top tier players, just frame combos are too risky most of the time.

High level isn't exclusive to tournament play
The only other time you see these guys play is fucking around online, which may as well not count at all.

takes2long
takes2long

@RumChicken
Deathmatches count a lot m8, also Knee does wildman after ext dckf2 a bunch of times.

anyways what were we arguing again

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

was able to do ewgf with devil jin 3 times in a row

should i main him now?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TreeEater
drag isn't easy to use at that level though
at least not easier than like 90% of the cast

Soft_member
Soft_member

fucking 5 matches in a row got robbed by my mid getting evaded by some evasive bullshit
got demoted as well
I don't give 2 shits about rank or losing but holy shit this gets my blood boiling.

takes2long
takes2long

Why am I ranking down and down when i'm getting more knowledge of the game like what to punish

massdebater
massdebater

@PackManBrainlure
JDCR has literally said on numerous occasions that he uses Dragunov in tournament because he's easy. He even used Drag in earlier iterations of Tekken for the same reason.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Leo player keeps fucking leaving after one match
keep getting matched with him
The fucking audacity of some of these people. To play such a braindead tier whore character and then one-and-done on top of it. Makes my blood boil.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater
if he was easy he wouldn't be fucking up iwr2 all the time
easier than hei maybe

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Bidwell
Lil Majin pretty much always goes for the ff1, the madman.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Sharpcharm
Dragunov is easy in his decisions. He has moves that cover multiple scenarios

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Am I a shithead for playing with a keyboard? I used to play pad but when I switched to PC my only option before buying a USB dpad (don't have an xbone or ps4) was keyboard. Should I go buy a decent pad or arcade stick so I'm not considered cheap?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@kizzmybutt
Get a hitbox

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Boy_vs_Girl
stop annoying people with your vegan shit

farquit
farquit

@Playboyize
best choice in peripheral
worst choice in nutrition

bad analogy

w8t4u
w8t4u

@kizzmybutt
Why do you care if some bitches consider you cheap? Just use your keyboard.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
How about using tekkenbot for practice only? Sure beats alt tabbing to browser for frame data.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@farquit
it's not about how good something it's it's about how fucking annoying your kind is

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@RumChicken
How do you discover framedata?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I'm watching T5:DR and it looks super fun. No long juggles, fast gameplay, smoother movement, and the stages and characters look awesome too. Oldfags redpill me on this game, why is T7 better?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@w8t4u
Why do you care if some bitches consider you cheap?

I mainly play offline with friends and being cheap is like being Judas. Not that I care what people on the internet think but I'm just naturally conditioned to avoid cheapness or unfair advantages. I would also like to say that hitbox/keyboard users don't bother me in the slightest and we can start getting angry when all the pros abandon sticks for hitboxes.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TurtleCat
It's not

King_Martha
King_Martha

@viagrandad
You can't react to hellsweep. The best thing you can do is if to train your reflexes that when they start wave dashing at you use a good long range mid or low to keep them out or sidestep to their weak side since I'm pretty sure all Mishimas have a weak side to the left for their crouch dash options. It might be side walk, I'm not sure.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

it's a scrub akuma that just keeps on jumping backwards and throwing fireballs
I have never had such an unsatisfying victory holy shit that was lame.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TurtleCat
it's more balanced

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@King_Martha
Huh. I'll try sidestepping left when I anticipate once. This move seems kinda cheap though.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SomethingNew
get a lifelead
now that scrubby akuma has to come to you

there, fixed

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

give me one reason why Lars' DEN 1 shouldn't be an electric

Inmate
Inmate

@Fried_Sushi
because its a 1

Flameblow
Flameblow

@ZeroReborn
Oh I know that's how I beat him. But I didn't think fighting games could be this boring.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Flameblow
is this bait

Evilember
Evilember

@PurpleCharger
Congratulations, friend. I hope I can get to yellow this or next month. I'm currently stuck in fighter for the past week or so.

TechHater
TechHater

@Evilember
Who do you play?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Carnalpleasure
You started by talking about Steve's optimal combo you massive hypocritical faggot

whereismyname
whereismyname

@massdebater
No he didn't. He said he uses Dragunov because the gameplan is simple due to the character being extremely good.

Inmate
Inmate

@Poker_Star
Hellsweep is cheap, it's always been cheap. If you are specifically afraid of that I'm pretty sure it's sidewalking not stepping so make sure it's a double tap and not a flick, I think hellsweep catches steps.

If you are at low ranks what will help is just so that if they wave dash at you from a distance because low ranks are usually too stupid to fake out the wave dash or go the extra dash to realign.

All this said it's still easier said than done and keeping them out or pressuring them is the better option to keep them from abusing hellsweeps. Oh also Heihachi's is terrible this game and you can block the second hit after getting hit by the first and punish his old ass.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TechHater
Jack. I began relearning the game from scratch at the beginning of December after realizing I didn't understand shit as Paul. I'm getting better and returned to fighter last night, hopefully this time if I get the promo chance to vanguard I don't choke and slide super far down on tilt (I was playing stupid the night that happened).

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Poker_Star
Hellsweeps are cheap as fuck, and DJ's is completely broken.
t.Mishima player

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I'm so embarrassed about dropping down to Grand Master with 200 wins I dont even want to play anymore

Everyone makes fun of me

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BlogWobbles
They make fun of you because you're being a thin skinned bitch

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Bidwell
No I mean like during the match they make fun of me when I havent even done anything yet

They always have less than 20 wins total

Emberfire
Emberfire

@BlogWobbles
Just reset your rank like everyone else :)

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@hairygrape
literally backdash and launch with df2. you'll get out of greens in no time

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Emberburn
No I didn't, you misread the comment chain. I originally said that even basic combos for King and Steve required much harder execution.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Firespawn
kazumi's combos were literally impossible because she didnt exist lmao get fucked

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Crazy_Nice
I know, patience and movement are the biggest thing I'm working on with Jack. Keeping my positioning and knowing when to attack.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I'm going to give you all a tip that will win you a shit ton of matches. Think about how to link pokes into movement in ways that cover the most options possible.

You can win matches by simply doing a d/f+1 or jab, backdashing, buffering a low parry and then launching a retaliation with a FC d/f+2 or whatever your character's crouched/WS launcher is.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Firespawn
On really?

@SniperGod
Back in T6 and Tag 2 Steve's optimal combo was launcher, df1,2~1, f2,1~b~f3~db~n WS+1,2 !B
optimal combo
Shut up with this bullshit. Yeah certain things are simpler but most things are just as difficult as they always have been or their version of that option in this game has the same difficulty level. Also I like how you're quoting fucking Tekken 6 where the top tiers were all characters with pathetically easy mechanics and combos (Bob especially) or TTT2 where due to tag assaults the combos were essentially reduced to dial combos. Just stop fucking talking.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Techpill
No Hwoarang
No Asuka
No Xiaoyou
No Dragunov

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Crazy_Nice
he's going to say that wasn't him

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Crazy_Nice
Shut up with this bullshit.
That's not my post, dipshit.
Yeah certain things are simpler but most things are just as difficult as they always have been or their version of that option in this game has the same difficulty level.
No, they aren't. They have specifically given every single character in Tekken 7 easy combos to give new players a gateway into intermediate play. Pre-Tag 2, you had to iSW with King and you had to DCK cancel with Steve to even utilise their basic combos. This is a fact. Lars and Bob were the only exceptions to this rule and even their basic combos were harder in T6.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
@Raving_Cute
like clockwork

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@ZeroReborn
okay fine you got me

idontknow
idontknow

@Raving_Cute
That's not my post, dipshit
Then it's just as fucking irrelevant because the fucking optimal combos in both games are used just as frequently while the simpler safer ones are used just as frequently. Simpler options with less filler existed in previous Tekken games unless you reach the games before that concept existed and launches worked differently. You are delusional if you fucking think there were only optimal combos in T6 and no simple options available.

Yeah some things were made simpler but overall the game is still just as difficult as it's fucking been. Hell if I wanna be close minded like you I could say previous games were easier because sidesteps were much faster so you could abuse them without fear if repercussions. See what happens when you focus on one feature of the game rather than acknowledge everything in the game as a whole?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Two things:
1.Can I matterhorn through jabs with Lili ? Would help with the pressure
2.How do I get back from the ground crouched ? I'm tired of being snake edged by stupid Laws while I'm eating dust

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@idontknow
You are delusional if you fucking think there were only optimal combos in T6 and no simple options available.
For many characters (actually, probably most), they didn't exist, or were significantly worse than their bnb counterparts.

The fact that they've changed this is a good thing. They've managed to strike a balance between skill and accessibility.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RavySnake
1.Can I matterhorn through jabs with Lili ? Would help with the pressure
What do you think is the point of matterhorn
2.How do I get back from the ground crouched ? I'm tired of being snake edged by stupid Laws while I'm eating dust
d/b

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Fuzzy_Logic
the fuck are you even arguing anymore mate

massdebater
massdebater

@Firespawn
Dunno, people took issue with my posts for some reason and took them out of context.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@kizzmybutt
Perfect, thanks user.

What do you think is the point of matterhorn
Not being used enough because I'm a slow learner against devil jins spammers.
Seriously I just fought three different DJ in a row, that was horrible.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@massdebater
How about announcing that you're someone else when you're about to get into the middle of a conversation, genius?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TreeEater
The fuck are you talking about?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

run into lili doing nothing but snake edges and some flowchart string he learned
like is he trying to prove a point or something? why even play the game at this point?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@MPmaster
I'm fucking talking about when someone mistook you from someone else because you barged in into the conversation and didn't say you weren't that guy

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Flameblow
He originally addressed my post and then randomly attributed some other guy's post to me.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Snarelure
guy 1 says something
guy 2 replies to guy 1
you enter the conversation and reply to guy 2
people now think you're guy 1

You're a faggot

Nojokur
Nojokur

@happy_sad
You are wrong, my friend, and I corrected him straight away.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Nojokur
wot?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@eGremlin
This guy here decided to insert himself into the earlier conversation about relative difficulty in Tekken games after the conversation was over:
@Emberburn
He mis-attributed posts. I corrected him here:
@Firespawn
He insisted that he was right here:
@Crazy_Nice

Is it that difficult to follow?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Soft_member
And what I'm saying is, he is not in the wrong for misattributing posts because you didn't make it clear that you're not the guy he thought you were.

Is THAT difficult to follow?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Deadlyinx
@SniperGod
I think you misunderstood him.
him

http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/third_person.htm

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@idontknow
steve

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Soft_member
If that's your post then that guy who called you hypocritical is right

If that's not your post then why did you quote it just now?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Bidwell
Christ, you are fucking retarded. I'm out.

girlDog
girlDog

@PurpleCharger
Kek, get out you samefagging retard

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@PurpleCharger
I read the chain just now and he is right. What the fuck are you doing quoting that post if thats not the moment you supposedly entered the conversation later?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Illusionz
not dressing michelle as jun

iluvmen
iluvmen

If you main any of these fraud characters, stop posting forever:
Autistic Russian
Milk Jugs
Mentally Unstable Cyborg
One Punch Man
Xer
Devilman
Lesser Devilman
Not-Devilman Man
Speedkicks
Chinese Slav
Dancing Brazillian Man
Not a Tekken Character
Not a Tekken character 2
Unconfident Gorilla
A Fucking Bear

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys
Originally. The devs keep it every single game just because they acknowledge it as a proper mechanic. Could you imagine tekken 8 not having KBD? It is definitely an intended mechanic now

RumChicken
RumChicken

twitch tv/unequalledmedia

Strongstyle EU qualifiers

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Illusionz
It's not that they keep KBD, they simply don't patch the movement mechanics so the exploit stays

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

am i pro now

massdebater
massdebater

@Fuzzy_Logic
Lili
ranks with Lili don't count until orange ranks where people are actually sidestepping

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Ignoramus
The movement system in Tekken has had several overhauls. The only thing that is still used from old source code is animations.

Go back.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@iluvmen
my unga character isn't on this list
feels good

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
Milk Jugs
who's this

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TreeEater
Nina

Emberburn
Emberburn

@TreeEater
Asuka's only redeeming quality is her tits

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Why am I so bad at Nina?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Poker_Star
Because she's difficult and/or you have shit fundamentals

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberburn
my wife is also pretty cute

Supergrass
Supergrass

@FastChef
Are you Lili?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Supergrass
n-no

Methshot
Methshot

@TreeEater
Every female except Alisa, since she doesn’t have real milk bags

Methnerd
Methnerd

Fuck this game

girlDog
girlDog

dj thinking he gets a rerun
Lmao

Bidwell
Bidwell

I'm unironically much better than the law player that's on stream now in the EU qualifiers

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

So now that the dust has settled, what's the consensus on Gigas?

Flameblow
Flameblow

Thought this paul player made a read
remember that paul players probably don't know how to read
hmm.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@LuckyDusty
he's a big boy

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@girlDog
Say what you will about dj players, but they sure have humor.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@LuckyDusty
@viagrandad
This. Probably for you as well.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@LuckyDusty
Shitty Jack.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Why aren't they using the tournament mode? This guy has paused the game two times already.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PackManBrainlure
Are they even similar aside from both being huge?

Methshot
Methshot

@King_Martha
/tekgen/, am I retarded, or is it just Kazumi? It took me 100 wins to get to Fighter on my main Asuka, but after switching to Kazumi and watching a 15 minute tutorial I've reached the same rank in less than 50. This bitch's buttons are just too good. Who needs juggles when you get 30 free damage off every blocked jab?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Methshot
I think you might be retarded.

idontknow
idontknow

@CodeBuns
I was just about that.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Methshot
Probably you being retarded

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Methshot
you get 30 free damage off every blocked jab
you're going to have to elaborate on this one

Firespawn
Firespawn

our guy super akouma coming up next. remember to tune in

twitch.
tv/unequalledmedia

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

akumer mirror match. Hitboxman vs some nigger

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Akuma mirror
I've actually never seen that before.

WebTool
WebTool

This black commentator is retarded

farquit
farquit

Street Fighter mirrors
LOL, nice game Cuckenfags

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@WebTool
there are two black commentators my man
wait is that the joke

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@SniperGod
I'm exaggerating, but her 112 and 122 are disgusting at 10f, and they both set her up for more mix-ups, so anything that's even remotely unsafe gets punished so bad. Plus her 13f mid that's basically free forever except for characters like Kaz who can launch her from ws.

Again, I accept the possibility that I'm just a complete idiot. I've played nothing but Asuka since I got this game and done decently well with her, but the difference between having a 10f punish and not having one is ridiculous. How can I ever go back?

5mileys
5mileys

@Poker_Star
spaghettirip is not black

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Poker_Star
boy i wonder who is gonna win.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Snake edges need to be 60 frames

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CodeBuns
Kazumi is extremely powerful for how few moves she uses.
Asuka is the ultimate "I have no idea what fundamentals are I just want to rank up" character though, how did she not work out for you?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@5mileys
curry nigger is not a nigger
hmmm

FastChef
FastChef

Why do people never mention Katarina when talking about characters that are good for newcomers to start with? Isn't that literally the whole point of her gameplay design?

FastChef
FastChef

That was hilarious.

girlDog
girlDog

@FastChef
It’s because she’s fucking trash.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Super Akuma teabagging mid-match
yeah he might be a bit of a dick now that I think about it

RumChicken
RumChicken

@FastChef
People are obsessed with Korean DM Tier-lists and think she is literally unplayable.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SomethingNew
I'd usually agree with you but the guy had it coming this time around.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@FastChef
Katarina mains don't want you to notice she's actually a decent character

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@5mileys
it's a hellsweep

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@SniperWish
Not entirely sure, although I know I've got a lot of bad habits. She was my secondary in T6 (rip Julia) and I must have played at least a thousand matches of her in that game, so I've got a lot of muscle memory for moves and combos that don't work anymore. For instance, Asuka's uf3 used to be disgusting good, fast, safe on block, good against almost everything. I think they must have nerfed it in T7 or TTT2 though because every time I throw it out I just get stuffed so bad. I must only connect with like, 3 in 10 hopkicks, but my instinct is still to go for it at every opportunity. I should probably watch some footage of good Asuka players in T7 to learn what I'm doing wrong.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Is the green rank dad /ourguy/?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Ignoramus
has to mix you up with generic d4

L O L

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Harada just gave every character in the game Bryan's hatchet kick.

How do the tier lists change

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@girlDog
@Harmless_Venom
try to find another player after a game against a DJ
it's another DJ
And later on I got the chance to rematch against the first one

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Ignoramus
claudio surpasses devil jin

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Harmless_Venom
claudio with lows
Oh god no.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@New_Cliche
block wr2, you're now at -7
hopkick beats any button, stepping, and crouching
qcb3 beats standing

he can seamlessly mix up his wr2 with f3, a homing low crushing fast safe mid

it would be a guessing game every 2 seconds, jesus christ

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Ignoramus
this guy goes up 10 tiers

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Ignoramus
+4 (FOUR) on hit, CH KND low
Bryan mains still complain that the character has "bad lows" fuck outta here.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Around how long does it take to perfect KBD? Been playing since release and I can still see my character go into fullcrouch on 2p side and on 1p I sometimes get caught not blocking and getting hit by mids which is frustrating.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Ignoramus
Monkey's paw:
Bryan's qcb3 reverts back to T7 Vanilla status
AKA full combo on CH

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

this Alisa keeps on doing boot 4 when he doesn't even need to make a comeback
What the fuck, why would you take that risk?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Harmless_Venom
kek

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Skullbone
It heavily depends on your peripheral.
Stick: 1-2 years
Pad: 1 year
Keyboard/cuckbox: 2 hours

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fuzzy_Logic
just crouch his superman punch :^)

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I think I might be done. My reaction speed is clearly too bad for this game. I keep getting hit by lows that are supposed to be dealt with on reaction. Not only this but grabs as well, I can't see the fucking hands, I can only guess. Already have 900 hours played and never made it past usurper. It's too hard. I try watching high level games to study but they don't play the same way. Characters like Asuka and King just demotivate me so much. I don't really wanna give up but I'm not having fun anymore.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@viagrandad
what did he mean by this

King_Martha
King_Martha

@RumChicken
Huh. I was feeling bad because I thought people mastered it much faster. 1-2 years sounds okay.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Skullbone
You probably have the rhythm wrong. You have to do it in a kind of a galloping rhythm. Hold the backdash as long as possible, then do the db b n b as fast as you can and repeat.

idontknow
idontknow

@PackManBrainlure
learn fundies

hairygrape
hairygrape

@VisualMaster
not my fault you can't react to a 18f mid :^)

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@lostmypassword
I'll keep it in mind thanks man. Didn't know I had to do it in a certain rythm.

TechHater
TechHater

@hairygrape
wdhmbt

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Ignoramus
what if everyone got DJ hellsweep

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Deathfist and Drag WR2 should be highs

Bidwell
Bidwell

@haveahappyday
drag wr2
If it get's to keep that frame advantage, yes.
Deathfist
Nah just give it less pushback on block so all characters can launch punish it.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@haveahappyday
t. green rank

Paul's qcb2 is a safe wallsplat, smart pauls use that at the wall for mixups. If you want to weaken those characters nerf their lows

Emberburn
Emberburn

This Lili player is sick

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberburn
Yeah he was pretty good.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

hitbox akuma player
yeesh

whereismyname
whereismyname

@PackManBrainlure
werent qcf motions supposed to be hard on cheapbox?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

finnish kekken

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I'm playing Asuka online

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname
That Super Akouma must be an execution god!

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@VisualMaster
or maybe "qcf motions are bad on hitbox" is a meme perpetuated by cucktroller and sticuck shitters

eGremlin
eGremlin

@CouchChiller
Or maybe maybe it's a cop-out excuse for cheatbox users to say that there's at least one bad thing when using cheatbox.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@whereismyname
According to who?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@eGremlin
It's not hitbox that's particularly good, it's other peripherals that are unreliable clunky garbage

Snarelure
Snarelure

@whereismyname
They aren't hard for me on a keyboard

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Booteefool
This desu
we should all swap to cheatboxes

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I think i'm gonna go back to Feng, it doesn't seem Jin is gonna work

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PackManBrainlure
not enough snake edges, eh?

5mileys
5mileys

@PackManBrainlure
Feng isn't for bitches, you're making a good choice.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@MPmaster
Jin doesn't even need a snake edge he get's a hellsweep which is the same but cheaper.

Emberfire
Emberfire

this law
Beautiful, I'm lovin it.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@PackManBrainlure
I'm gonna go back to unga, I don't think honest character with no retarded crushing properties is gonna work
seems legit

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Need_TLC
everyone switches to cheatbox
T8 contains cool all-new inputs that are very difficult even on a hitbox
Let's work together towards this future

JunkTop
JunkTop

@idontknow
I know fundamentals..
I'd be stuck in blue ranks if I didn't

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Dreamworx
honest character with no retarded crushing properties is gonna work
holy shit feng mains

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Crazy_Nice
He's talking about Jin dumbass.

FastChef
FastChef

@JunkTop
you can get out of blue ranks just doing your snek edges, no fundies needed

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RavySnake
b1's you

heh.... buzama da na...

FastChef
FastChef

@FastChef
I play Lars

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Firespawn
You mean like this

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@viagrandad
2d fighter inputs are so annoying

RumChicken
RumChicken

@VisualMaster
They're fine but they're weird in 3D fighters I feel.

5mileys
5mileys

these steve tech traps
jesus christ

takes2long
takes2long

@viagrandad
He said difficult

RavySnake
RavySnake

Alisa player trying to bully Steve
nigga backdash what the fuck are you doing you're going to get murdered up close

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@takes2long
That satanic pentagram input for the bottom right move seems a bit unwieldy for hitbox-users.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Any obscure, specific uses for a character's unblockable?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
It's not as straightforward as on stick but it's just a matter of learning it once in practice mode. After that you're done

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@eGremlin
use it after a knockdown for a techtrap

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Whats the best move to use after the opponent blocks Fengs QCF 1+2

Soft_member
Soft_member

@eGremlin
They're too slow for setups and there's no tag partner that you use to hide your other character doing the unblockable. They're useless.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@eGremlin
From what I just saw you can bait people to rush in aggresivelly with Alisa's rocket launchers and then 1+2. I doubt it'd work more than once though.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Hwoarand seems cool af guys but I hear he's garbo at competitive level and tournaments, is this true?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Spazyfool
If they respect it go for another qcf mixup. If they don't I'm not sure because I only picked up feng yesterday

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@eGremlin
Blowing up Miguel's taunt.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@eGremlin
Lee's d+3+4 has high crush on startup so it would be possible to use it proactively. You'd need a hard read and frankly the risk isn't worth it.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Why do people hate lowtiergod I think the guy is mad funny

Inmate
Inmate

@BunnyJinx
t. I just discovered LTG and know nothing about him

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BunnyJinx
GARBAGE

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@BunnyJinx
t. fellow pissbottle user

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TalkBomber
He struggles to rush people down effectively at high level but still gets all the tools he needs to be a good character. If you like him there's no reason not to play him.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Inmate
Wow we got a real detective here.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BunnyJinx
SALAD DODGIN'

King_Martha
King_Martha

I hate how pretty much every character has like 10 moves that are completely shit and useless.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Skullbone
Nice. Are there any good google docs for him? I love those

likme
likme

@Booteefool
It's not that other peripherals are bad it's just that creating hard inputs to create a barrier is bad, you should be able to map qcf, pewfg, KBD to single buttons, execution barrier is for old people.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Inmate
@Crazy_Nice
Yeah I just stumbled upon this video of the guy bragging about being molested when he was 7 years old or some shit, it was super funny. And another video of him playing against a super creepy virgin, school shooter type of guy in street fighter. The virgin won and was rubbing it in his face, and despite that, he took it surprisingly well. So redpill me on this guy, I guess.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Poker_Star
I made dis

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@King_Martha
and if you're Katarina you get to have 30 shit moves and 5 good ones!

SniperGod
SniperGod

Asuka

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Need_TLC
what were the thinking

Firespawn
Firespawn

@PackManBrainlure
they just wanted a girl with badass moves like miguel's

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PackManBrainlure
lmao

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@PackManBrainlure
lmao the fuck is that

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@PackManBrainlure
Lol what the fuck. What's the point?

Nojokur
Nojokur

is it normal to be usurper rank but not know how to wave dash

also i feel like i got here cheap

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nojokur
u can get into TWT finals without knowing how to KBD so its ok

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nojokur
Do you play a wavedash character?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@likme
Bullshit, execution barriers are what makes Tekken balanced. If you want constant frame-perfect inputs that reduce the game to colorful rock-paper-scissors, go play fucking Street Fighter. Tekken is a game designed around the idea that you will probably never master it. You will drop combos. You will miss inputs. You will get caught off guard with an off-angle juggle opportunity and its your job to figure out how to make the best of any situation given to you.

Execution barriers are what make a fighting game long-lasting and enjoyable, because they give you something constant and tangible to improve upon, and as long as everyone has to meet the same execution barriers, each fight truly becomes a test of skill rather than just intelligent reads.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Bidwell
nope

@AwesomeTucker
good to hear

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Inmate
mid high

lol

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Garbage Can Lid
No need to learn the input if you aint gonna use it nigga. I can wavedash because I've had a long ass character crisis going into the game and at one point tried heihachi. But honestly the input is worthless if your character doesn't use it, you can always just learn it anyway.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TalkBomber
i13
literal joke damage
not even mid, mid
no significant advantage unless you cancel it into her stance
her stance is a joke and the most threatening thing you can get out of it is a crouch cancel into her FC mixup

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Lunatick
will it be harder if i'm playing with a ps4 controller?

should i get a stick or something?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@MPmaster
No. You should blgghrhrhggrr

Methshot
Methshot

@Bidwell
Listen grandpa my hitbox is tournament legal what it's the difference between having to train those stupid motions that takes like 2 hours to a single buttons macros. The execution barrier is already gone you stubborn grandpa.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@MPmaster
I personally hated ps4 controller because I felt that my thumb alone has less control than my entire hand. But there are mishima mains playing on pad who do so just fine so it should be doable.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

is it a dumb idea to try to use ps1 controller on pc? really new to fighting games but from what i know it's reccommended to not use the stick on controllers anyways so you might aswell get a ps1 controller without the sticks? Plus its thinner, and i get to brag about how old school i am for using a ps1 controller. But you need some sort of converter right? Does that introduce some significant lag?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PackManBrainlure
If you can find a converter without any input lag there's not downside to using it. Good luck with that though.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

how do i play paul?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spazyfool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYOV4ndoKo

massdebater
massdebater

all this furious discussion about how good hitbox is
i have a mech keyboard (old razer with blue switches so the actuation point is fucked up compared to every other switch which means double clicking it is a lot shittier tho) but i was under the assumption that literally no one in the world has ever played any fighting game on a keyboard so theres no point in trying to pull off such a feat.. is this actually a thing people do?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

GIVE PAULS NINJA OUTFIT TO FENG

RIGHT
NOW

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@massdebater
I've been playing fighting games on keyboard since 2009
it's pretty good for most games

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@massdebater
there was a korean player playing on a mech keyboard during the korean major

Flameblow
Flameblow

WTF WAS THAT AKUMA

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@CodeBuns
thanks that's going to be really helpful. Are there any docs tho?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What characters do chads play?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@SniperGod
Speaking of cute Alisa art. Anyone have all of her panel art? Specifically looking for a high res version of the new one they added post launch (I think the artist is Yasuto Morioka).
Failing that, anyone know how to rip it from the game files?

5mileys
5mileys

@Carnalpleasure
Jack-7

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Carnalpleasure
Paul Phoenix

Emberfire
Emberfire

Blackbeard BTFO

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Carnalpleasure
katarina

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Bidwell
that's pretty good

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Carnalpleasure
Their opponent.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

stops playing the easy-mode gorilla to pick the worst character in the game
EU

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

what stream are you watching

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Sir_Gallonhead
So this is the strength of EU Tekken

JunkTop
JunkTop

@VisualMaster
https://www.twitch
.tv/unequalledmedia
https://smash.gg/tournament/strongstyle-european-qualifier/events/tekken-7-singles/brackets/190913

WebTool
WebTool

@VisualMaster
Strongstyle EU qualifier
twitch.
tv/unequalledmedia

TechHater
TechHater

that bob RD looks retarded as fuck

massdebater
massdebater

first fighting game besides playing a few rounds of some old tekken game on the ps1 like 14 years ago
i borrowed an xbone controller from a friend to try it out while i buy a ps4 one, should i get some other peripheral? what character should i play to start? i picked hwoarang because his combos look sick and hes a really handsome guy , is he any good? looks like starting with him is a bad idea, i cant pull off any cool shit and only way i win is running at my enemy constantly so i dont need to go on the defensive and get raped

Snarelure
Snarelure

@massdebater
Get a PC and a hitbox

StonedTime
StonedTime

@massdebater
Hwoarang

massdebater
massdebater

@massdebater
while i buy a ps4 one
excuse me, while you buy a what?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

akuma vs geese

HYPE

SniperGod
SniperGod

2d vs 2d
so this... is.. tekken..

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

that entire combo for nothing

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

hitbox

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Need_TLC
go on

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I fucking hate you people

Playboyize
Playboyize

@LuckyDusty
the vegans of peripherals
the goobers of fighting games

Spamalot
Spamalot

CHINESE
PEAK
PERFORMANCE

hairygrape
hairygrape

How do I check if a match counts as a win or not?
Paul just disconnected right after I dealt the final hit

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@hairygrape
Did the money appear?

Methshot
Methshot

@Ignoramus
Yeah

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Methshot
You're all good

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Methshot
blocking your own name

bitch

askme
askme

*slippery kicks* you

likme
likme

@LuckyDusty
Thanks
@Snarelure
My name is Ronove right now if you care for whatever reason

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@PackManBrainlure
@Supergrass
@SomethingNew
How do you see all that info?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@askme
Eddie gives me physical pain, is that normal ?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

geese is so fucking boring to watch

TechHater
TechHater

@PackManBrainlure
He gave me physical pains too until I decided to pick him up and actually learn him. He's pretty fucking fun to play.

FastChef
FastChef

@Playboyize
stick users?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@New_Cliche
look up "tekken pretty movelist" on google

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Firespawn
@PackManBrainlure
Isn't Miguel's version plus on block though?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
Thank

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@FastChef
Pure honesty

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Raving_Cute
yes because miguel isn't a girl

hairygrape
hairygrape

fergus is gay asf look at that gay ass scarf

farquit
farquit

@hairygrape
Isn't that the point?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

kek. these speedkek shots

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@massdebater
meant a ps4 controller, i play on pc but im not sure if i want to buy a stick yet those things cost a ton

FastChef
FastChef

playing kekarina
winning

really charges my ki

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SomethingNew
They cost less than a PS4 that's for sure.

Also this game works really well with a keyboard.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SomethingNew
DS4 has a garbage dpad. You should try keyboard first though.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Firespawn
as long as you don't need to do iws moves

likme
likme

@JunkTop
???

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@likme
you need to do an extra retarded input to not get d,df,f,n instead of d,df,n

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Sharpcharm
what
just press and hold down, press forward, release both, lol

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Sharpcharm
Really? Enlighten me please because I just do d,df,n

happy_sad
happy_sad

snake edge
Fucking EU

iluvmen
iluvmen

that's the most retarded snake edge I've ever seen in my life

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

snek edge
god bless

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Why does europe suck at playing compared to the rest of the world?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@kizzmybutt
arcades and fighting games were never big in europe

Emberburn
Emberburn

@kizzmybutt
No arcades, less local scenes

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@kizzmybutt
No arcade culture

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Firespawn
i meant buy a ps4 controller to use on pc man, but reading this thread im gonna give keyboard a spin, i never thought anyone played with keyboard tho so im probably getting memed on, never played fighting games before

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@kizzmybutt
Italian players are good, and then there's tissuemon who's not exactly italian but is there too.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@kizzmybutt
Not enough blacks and asians

likme
likme

@Lord_Tryzalot
Hitbox is the best peripheral without discussion. A mechanical keyboard is just a less ergonomic hitbox

Snarelure
Snarelure

did the eu not lab geese

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@kizzmybutt
This tourney is full of no names and shit players.

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot
Keyboards are just shittier hitboxes and hitboxes are great. Make sure to bind your keys properly if your keyboard has ghosting.

TechHater
TechHater

@Snarelure
Labbing characters

Lmao, we have girlfriends, no time for that useless shit

Techpill
Techpill

@Fuzzy_Logic
blackbeard, who just beat tissuemon in a tournament, the only non korean dude to make top 4 in tekken world tour couldn't make it to top 3 in this tournament

really makes you think

SniperGod
SniperGod

@SomethingNew
@Lord_Tryzalot
Get one of these, bro. It's a cool controller for other games even if fighting games don't turn out to be your thing.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Snarelure
buying shitty DLC for a meme 2d character I'll never play

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SomethingNew
@Emberburn
@TurtleCat
arcades
That's no excuse. Even americans do better and they're nothing but hikki neets.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Snarelure
arcade culture used to be pretty big in the us

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Snarelure
Aris talks all the time about the arcade scene in California

idontknow
idontknow

@RavySnake
Usually I'd talk shit but I bought him, labbed him 10 minutes, and that was that.

Funny because I was excited about Geese and hated Noctis, but now I feel like Noctis is going to be actually fun since he's not from a 2D fighter

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

If I'm not mistake, Hyper Armor give you immunity to:
Clean Hits
Counters
Damage Increase due to rage

It basically makes every move enemy lands do 100%, regardless of any modifiers.
I love destroying WR3 spamming claudios.
I take 40 damage and they take 80.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Carnalpleasure
Are you talking about power crushes?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Playboyize
Yes, I meant Power Crushes, they destroy any running attack in general, which are often used to get plus frames.
You can't get plus frames if your enemy gets no block stun.
And for Claudio I meant WR2.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Carnalpleasure
hol up what's a powercrush that does 80

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Firespawn
whoreang lmao

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Firespawn
SAV 1+2.
Not 80 damage, but you can combo for 80 damage out of it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

NOO THIS WAS SUPER AKOUMA'S GAME

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Man, coming from street fighter to tekken is so weird. So many moves are overheads (mids), and the most dangerous too. I read a guide saying that taking lows is often a better course of action but it still feels bad getting hit by a low that usually puts you in frame disadvantage. They usually are faster than 16 frames too, which is barely reactable, so you have to guess.

I guess I'm just shit.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Bidwell
mfw I find out you can cancel it by holding back

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Bidwell
Mid
-11 on block
Power Crush
What's the catch? It can't be that good.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sir_Gallonhead
There's no chip damage, so low pokes act like it

Methshot
Methshot

@TurtleCat
It's very slow.
If you want to use the safe version you have to charge it, opening up yourself for a low or grab.
But like:
@Sir_Gallonhead
said, it's cancellable

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sir_Gallonhead
16 frames
barely reactable
what the fuck

askme
askme

@Skullbone
You can react to 16 frames? I guess i'm getting old.

TechHater
TechHater

@askme
I can't react to anything faster than 27 or 26 and that's if I'm fully focused. I don't understand how 16 is barely reactable

Soft_member
Soft_member

@askme
No normal person can react to anything faster than 24-25 frames

Evilember
Evilember

Man low parries look so cool in this game. The way they just throw it out of the way, nothing makes you look more in control
get this shit out of here

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TechHater
Are you sure your peripherals aren't interfering with your skill? A laggy monitor, a laggy stick/pad. I know I played Street Fighter for a year on a Hori that had literally 1 frame of input lag and once I switched to a Brook I literally raised 3 leagues in 1 week.

@Soft_member
I read somewhere that it was 22.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evilember
Go play Jin right now my dude

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@whereismyname
I read somewhere that it was 22.
You need to be comfortable with the game's controls, mechanics, and those specific moves before you can do anything about those. Hence why I said "normal person"

StonedTime
StonedTime

bruh this finnish guy is a fucking mind reader

SniperGod
SniperGod

@StonedTime
But he can't read hitbox-execution.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@eGremlin

Faster unblockables are pretty good for opening up people on the defensive, slow ones only work if you have someone that rattled and afraid to move that they're like deers in headlights when you throw it out.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@SniperGod
kek this meme is going to kill me

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Ignoramus
@whereismyname
22 is not reactable. Devil Jin's db2 is 22 frames and it's impossible to block on reaction. In fact, heihachi's db2 is one or two frames slower and it's still unreactable. Maybe in other games the difference between moves is more evident so you can react faster but around 25 is where a really good player starts being able to react to a move some times.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@CodeBuns
The thing is, animation plays a huge role. If the move has a clearly unique animation since frame 1 then it helps a lot.

WebTool
WebTool

@CodeBuns
it's easier in 2d games because characters typically only have a single overhead that you have to look out for and those often have extra unique animations
in tekken there are a ton of lows to look out for and other important moves and the constant moving

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@CodeBuns
it's different in tekken, i can react to bisons 22f dash in sfv but i cannot see db2 at all.

Techpill
Techpill

@Soft_member
Im sorry, I should have said "it"

happy_sad
happy_sad

daily reminder that if you play alisa kys

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

eu players

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Illusionz
I thought 4 didn't have KBD

Soft_member
Soft_member

ok so the guy with the neetbox is going to win the EU tournament. Get one before they ban them guys

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CodeBuns
It's valid to add that reacting to sound is faster in general.

@Raving_Cute
Yes, and tekken animations are either really subtle or very garish.

@WebTool
Yeah, the system eases it out. You only have to hold downback until someone does an overhead.

@PurpleCharger
Me too. Hell I'm still a novice to tekken and I still eat some snake edges, feng fucking murders me.

5mileys
5mileys

@Fried_Sushi
and everyone hated it

likme
likme

@Soft_member
he already won the last big eu tournament.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RumChicken
I still eat some snake edges, feng fucking murders me.
Be careful, there are some Feng mains lurking the general who are really sensitive to people who say he has snake edges.

likme
likme

@Soft_member
It's not the first time he wins. He even stole some games from JDCR with the cheatbox.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RumChicken
@WebTool
I've never played 2D games - does this mean that if you crouch block you block both mids and lows and the only way to get hurt is if they hit you with a jumping attack?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Stupidasole
Aren't snake edges just launching sweeps?

@kizzmybutt
crouchblock beats grounded mids and lows, yes. The only way to get hurt is jumping attacks or overheads.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Ignoramus
Miguel stays the same

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@kizzmybutt
yes. with a jumping attack or an overhead and most characters only have one overhead which is usually slow and telegraphed enough to be reactable unless you're playing guilty gear

Snarelure
Snarelure

FUCK CLAUDIO

RavySnake
RavySnake

Damn he's fucking this frenchie up

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Flameblow
Aren't snake edges just launching sweeps?
It takes time and experience to know the difference between a demoman that launches and a snake edge that knocks down.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@kizzmybutt
Yes, for example in Blazblue.
Crouching blocks everything except overheads, such as jumping attack or designated moves that hit the head.
So it blocks from mids and low but it doesn't block highs that connect, jumping attack and moves that go from have down motion.
But sometimes in move's description it states that "hits crouching opponents" despite it being a straight mid.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StrangeWizard
lel true, though it would be more accessible

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

OS S E R V A
S
S
E
R
V
A

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Fried_Sushi
Or persona 4 arena with them 2 frame overheads.

@Spazyfool
I mean, even hellsweep launches, but it comes from crouch dash. demoman launches but only on clean hit or counterhit. snake edges launches regardless, right?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spazyfool
Is Miguel's SAV d/b+4 a Snake Edge on Forgotten Realm?

takes2long
takes2long

I think Tekken's the only game where the fanbase laughs at people picking low tiers, every game always has people get excited about doing that
or maybe it's just /tekgen/ that's like that, I dunno

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

hopkick the character

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Spazyfool
D A H

A

H

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Crazy_Nice
please dont get caught up in tekgen memes

Demolition Man is not a launcher. It's a low,mid,mid knockdown move.
Kazuya and Bob have hellsweeps that knock down, Jin and DJ have hellsweeps that launch, and Heihachi has a hellsweep that gets him killed

Snake edges are all seeable homing lows that launch, though you may also call a snake edge a seeable low that isn't homing ( such as Kuma's db4 )

5mileys
5mileys

@takes2long
What I've seen a lot is the opposite, people just frown upon picking high tier characters.
Lot of people hated the over-saturation of Jack and Dragunov on tournaments.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I thought Claudio was bad, bros.

@iluvmen
Is Alisa d+3+4 a Snake Edge? Is Bryan's Snake Edge a Snake Edge?

@Evil_kitten
and Heihachi has a hellsweep that gets him killed
kek

StonedTime
StonedTime

@iluvmen
It's a DevilJin-style demoman if you're on forgotten realm, otherwise it's a Bob snake edge but without the rolldash

massdebater
massdebater

@Evil_kitten
and Heihachi has a hellsweep that gets him killed
uhm, lol?
it's just bad risk vs reward vs alert people
it's totally broken against niggas who sleep
the second hit is only -11 which is a joke

Firespawn
Firespawn

@takes2long
Who the fuck gets excited at seeing Noel or Baiken get played at a high level? People get excited at watching FAB play, but that’s because he’s an amazing player.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Claudio bad lows my fucking ass. This finnish guy is landing the chunky CH launching one and SS4 every single time. Koreans think of Claudio as a balanced and well rounded character, and this is proof they're right

Supergrass
Supergrass

@massdebater
Right but keep in mind you're risking getting launched to apply that gay mixup, and the tsunami kicks are launch punishable as well so the mid option has to be only the single ws4

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

H O P K I C K
O
P
K
I
C
K

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@massdebater

Anything is broken against niggas who sleep.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@BunnyJinx
OSSERVA

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

hopkick
f+3
superman punch

nigga just did the entire claudio movelist in one combo

takes2long
takes2long

@Snarelure
@Fried_Sushi
@Flameblow
Cool, that sounds like playing a turtling reactive style is more of a thing than in tekken where even if you play a defensive character you're fighting for the initiative.

Anime fighters look too bloated and I don't really understand what's happening because the screen is full of hit effects and random shit but I'll probably buy SFV:AE. Not sure what to expect compared to tekken but it should be fun. I hope.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

great match

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@takes2long
what to expect
the same amount of dick jabs but with more conversion.

And being on defensive in SFV is ass, you're gonna hate it.

likme
likme

It wasn't supposed to be like this, bros...

Snarelure
Snarelure

GET THIS STREET FIGHTER FUCK OUT OF HERE

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Sick matches (for EU).

viagrandad
viagrandad

the finnish guy pad running 2'd a nigger in the crowd that's rad

seriously tho he's a beast, he makes me want to pick up Claudio again, he makes him look not boring.

happy_sad
happy_sad

chad pad vs virgin hitbox

MPmaster
MPmaster

Pad bros wins again....it's not fair...

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Super Akouma started crying
French people really are faggots huh?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@takes2long
Anime fighters aren't that bloated, most characters have 10-20 moves, and the on screen effects are just so they are nice to watch, but you'll understand what's happening quite easily.
The problem comes with execution.
A 20 different input combos with five half circles and 2 just frame moves is what is considered an average combo.
In Tekken there is an execution curve, in anime fighters there is an execution wall.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@ZeroReborn
anime execution wall
is it? just pick ky or es

takes2long
takes2long

@Skullbone
I got it down in about half a year on pad. And up until recently I don't play often

FastChef
FastChef

IT'S NOT FAIR

Spamalot
Spamalot

@ZeroReborn
20 different input with 5 half circles and 2 just frames
Guilty Gear player here and I’m laughing at how completely bullshit this is. Maybe for Ino’s optimal combos in AC, but no character in Xrd has anything like that.

farquit
farquit

@Spamalot
yeah, they removed ino's bullshit combos and gave her auto pilot shit, right? I mean it's still kinda complex, but nowhere near as it was in AC.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Spamalot
Maybe it was a bit of a hyperbole.
But still, combos in Tekken are baby mode compared to combos in Blazblue which I play.
Not very well though, I usually just pick Azrael and Unga my way to victory...

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Skullbone
I sat down and practice on stick for 3 days and I already got it on the left side, but I suck ass on the right side and have literally no interest in practicing it, even though I should.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@ZeroReborn
I mean as in bloated graphically. The hit effects and combo counters take half of the screen, it looks overwhelming and ugly to me :/

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You guys are actually being civil, which is why it pains me to say that..
THIS IS THE GODDAMN TEKKEN GENERAL GO BACK TO YOUR FUCKING 2D GENERALS OUT OUT OUTTTT NNNNNNOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Spamalot
Spamalot

@farquit
The hardest thing about Ino now is that so much of her shit is character specific. Daru is a fucking god though. Really surprised he didn’t make it into top 8 at EVO last year.

@Lord_Tryzalot
Well, I can’t say anything about BB since I didn’t really get into it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BunnyJinx
/fgc/ is probably the worst general I've ever been to in Veeky Forums. Sorry for derailing a bit. Not like tekgen is super active anyways and I'd rather talk about the differences between tekken and 2D fighters than the fucking hitboxes tho

WebTool
WebTool

@BunnyJinx
let me add to the tekken discussion

massdebater
massdebater

@Nojokur
what did you say about my hitboxes

Nojokur
Nojokur

https://www.twitch.
tv/n3rdstgamers

Winners:

SperoGin vs TKJDCR
jackietran1984 vs @InKogNiToSaN

Losers:

V_o_Ritual vs Brian H
Joey_Fury vs NycFab

Soft_member
Soft_member

@WebTool
I hope you're not pleb enough to believe that Hitbox is the only company that makes Hitboxes

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Soft_member
not carving your own hitbox out of mahogany tree

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@WebTool

btfo by hopkicks

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Nojokur
Is fab playing Bob?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

DAH

SniperGod
SniperGod

He's still not using pad
You fags don't like winning or what?

Spamalot
Spamalot

not sure if the people celebrating akuma's second place are hitbox players that deep down know they're cheaters or pad players trying to rub it on hitbox users as if they had won something. probably the first ones.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SniperGod
Does JDCR use pad? That's what I thought.

FastChef
FastChef

@Spamalot
Or falseflagging butthurt stick players

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

You're in the club and this guy hopkicks your girlfriend's ass.
What do you do?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TurtleCat
Power crush frames is the same even if you charge it so you can be interrupted

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TalkBomber
Hit him with my 13 frame punish

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What's the point of Heihachi's b1+4?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Dreamworx
After reading framedata I saw that, basically the enemy has shit loads of time to interrupt you, and possible even counter you for massive damage.
But the armor starts at sixth frame which is one of the faster armors in the game, so that's neat.

Methshot
Methshot

Damn victim's been on a losing streak for a while now hasn't he?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TalkBomber
I read the hopkick and now he's going to get bounded

iluvmen
iluvmen

@TalkBomber
pewgf

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TalkBomber
grunt and wipe his shoes for him

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TalkBomber
Easy, heh.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Jack vs Bryan
*yawn*

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Garbage Can Lid
Even better, we get stuck with Drag vs Jack in the grand finals.

likme
likme

jdcr will start using heihachi after the patch!!!

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

JDCR is a fucking monster. He doesn't even fully backdash or sidestep, he cancels the animations halfway through to place himself in the perfect position where his opponent's attack will just barely whiff.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Carnalpleasure

To meme people lying on the ground, I wish you could convert something off of it.

WebTool
WebTool

@VisualMaster

Wait I'm thinking of a different move for some reason.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

oh my fucking god he just parried the blue debugger end this already this is rape

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

main drag
watch jdcr play drag
realise just how fucking bad your drag is
this man is not human

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

If Lars is so bad, why is Highmay winning?

massdebater
massdebater

Is there any reason to play Heihachi when DJin exists?

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker
because the man has downloaded this other guy so hard that his isp is trying to charge him extra for all the data

Methshot
Methshot

@Ignoramus
W H O
H
O

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Methshot
The dude who won Godlike Saturday a couple minutes ago

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

lol anime fighting games are trash

Illusionz
Illusionz

@WebTool
@VisualMaster
You talking about d2+3? Hellsweep will pick them up after it and you'll get a combo.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Nude_Bikergirl
finally, a post i can agree with

5mileys
5mileys

Tried to make a Yun custom, i wish i can change the shoes

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Rickstah said pad is the best for tekken. Interesting.

Evilember
Evilember

@haveahappyday
Everyone already knows this.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@haveahappyday
Rickstah is a moron.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@haveahappyday
He's right you know

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I'm going to buy a pad

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Emberburn
Better than you fil

idontknow
idontknow

@Evilember
@Spamalot
I never played on pad. Seems like it'll be easiest on your hands if you don't do claw.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@idontknow
I don't use claw and my thumb hurts pretty regularly

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

what is a pad?

ps4 controller?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BunnyJinx
something for your vagina blood

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BunnyJinx
Any controller like this.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@VisualMaster
lube up your thumb

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TurtleCat
it's not raw it's and arthritis type pain

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Sharpcharm
an

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
Sorry mate, you have arthritis and should stop playing vidya

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TechHater
nah it's manageable as long as I only play for a couple hours max at a time. tekken is the only game that's made it this bad though

viagrandad
viagrandad

does feng have an armor move?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@viagrandad
f,f+1+2 or something like that. If you land the charged version against the wall, you get like a 125 damage combo or something.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Firespawn
oh kewl

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Who is the most honest character?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Sharpcharm
eddy

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Sharpcharm
Lei

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

what's with all the kids on wifi tonight

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sharpcharm
Bob
Jack-7
Heihachi

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Is Razer Panthera durable?

w8t4u
w8t4u

BACK TO BRAWLER FOR THE THIRD TIME BABY

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Carnalpleasure
I just realised I was torrenting shit

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sir_Gallonhead
you don't need that much porn

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@w8t4u
how the fuck was i demoted in 4 games fuck

Techpill
Techpill

Reminder to never rematch miguel players.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@WebTool
Real men get to reds on model m

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

https://www.twitch
.tv/bandainamcoentertainment

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Dreamworx
Oh shit recruit is there?

SniperGod
SniperGod

nobi straight up doing snake edges lmao

Emberburn
Emberburn

lmao hold these wr2s

viagrandad
viagrandad

lmao

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

holy shit someone plays shaheen

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Crazy_Nice
There are 2 Shaheen players in this top 16. Tsubumi and Taaku. Tsubumi is the best Shaheen in JP.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

just hopkick bro

likme
likme

Would like to see an updated japanese tier list. Curious what they think of Geese.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

where can i buy one of those mishima zaibatsu hoodies

SniperGod
SniperGod

How do i git gud with Asuka?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I want you to imagine Feng's F3,4 being hit confirmable

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Have the PS4 tier lists changed at all now that input lag has been reduced?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@SniperGod
gorilla into bunga

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Boy_vs_Girl
bears are now s tier

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Boy_vs_Girl
Half of that tier B is now tier A

Evilember
Evilember

high level yoshi play seems rough

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TurtleCat
I like T5DR better but all your complaints about DJin are multiplied 3 times in that game. Only thing worse about him in that game compared to Tekken 7 is that his low parry options are just df44 and uf4.

Also 13f TP with Heihachi

@Boy_vs_Girl
Completely wrong even before input lag patch: DJin, Paul, Josie, Raven, maybe Bryan

After input lag patch: Nina

askme
askme

@Boy_vs_Girl
b-tier
devil jin
devil jin on the same tier as katarina ever

SniperGod
SniperGod

@BlogWobbles
Let me guess.

1,2,3. D4. wr1,24.

WebTool
WebTool

WHY IS THERE NO SMALL HAMMER FOR CUSTOMIZATION

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

doing good in treasure mode with Bryan, I can do six strings off the orbital now
going to try online wish me luck boyos

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

guy has a scuffed connection
rq after the first punch connects

Snarelure
Snarelure

Anyone who's been exposed to more technical, more dynamic fighting games will quickly pass on tekken. Other top fighters, namely Street Fighter, MvC and MK have advanced impressively in their latest installments; but the relic that is tekken just can't seem to evolve, furthermore many combos can be done simply by hitting 1-button, and the nearly "instant-kill" rage art moves are just laughably broken. Instead of a supplying a proper fighting engine, matches in T7 seem to rely heavily on "who can get their rage move off first". So many elements of the gameplay don't even require any sort of skill. In my book, slow motion over and over again also gets old very quickly. And in the end, it's more of a novelty or gimmick rather than an actual, thought-out fighting game mechanic. But hey, the casual crowd will be pleased!

If you want something a little more "button-masher-friendly," tekken might be your cup of tea.... Key word, might.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Here's a little Tekken related story I’ve been through recently: Me and my friend felt really sorry for the mentally disabled kid that moved in 7 months ago so we asked his parents if he could join us at the local arcade. They allowed it and brought the kid downstairs, let’s call him Jimmy. Jimmy was ecstatic when he heard that he could go to the arcade with us and that made us really happy. He has been lonely since he moved in and I really didn’t think he had any other friends in school as well because of his Fragile X syndrome. This was confirmed by his parents later on, so we decided to take him with us every weekend. We’ve played Metal Slug, fighting games, Time Crisis and all those classics. Most of the people in the arcade have been really kind to him and he has been having the time of his life, we could see it in his eyes. However, he became really interested in Tekken 7 after two months. He didn’t want to play it, probably because he was scared to lose or maybe he couldn’t find a character he could relate to, but he used to watch us play and get really excited over the matches.
One afternoon, when we arrived, the Tekken cabinets were full and there were two guys playing against each other: one of them played Heihachi and the other one played Paul. So we started watching them after playing some Time Crisis. After some time, we realized Jimmy started making these noises when Paul hit Hei. Every time he hit him with a Demo Man, he went “DAAAAOOOWWWWOOAH” and every time he hit a death fist he went “MAMAMAMAMAMA-HEH”. After a cabinet got empty, Jimmy immediately sat down and wanted me to sit down next to him. He was looking at the character select screen as he started to drool for a bit. We knew that he was looking for Paul, so I picked Paul for him. He started making the noises he used to make a while back. We realized he wanted to learn how to do Death Fist and Demoman. I started to teach him and he was able to do them after 5 minutes.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Firespawn
We played several games with him, obviously he wasn’t that good but we let him win one out of each three games. When we were on the way back home, I saw him trying to erect his hair with his own spit.

A week later, which was the last Friday, me and my friends went to Jimmy’s house after our classes were over to pick him up to go to the arcade. His mom said he already went to the arcade to attend a “local tournament or something”. We immediately rushed to the arcade and saw a huge crowd around the Tekken cabinets. We asked around what was going on and people said that the tournament finals were being played. Then we heard the noises… “MAMAMAMAMAMA-HEH”, “DAAAAOOOWWWWOOAH”. IT WAS JIMMY. He was in the tournament finals! Apparently he also learned how to do qcf+3 and f,f+2 mix-ups and he got a new sound effect for those too which was pretty similar to a dog bark. After an intense set of 3 games, he won. We couldn’t believe it. Every single person in the arcade cheered for him. He ran towards us and hugged us. We all teared up a bit. We celebrated with chocolate cake in my house afterwards.

So what did we learn guys? We learnt that everything is possible with the power of friendship and love… and that even a fucking retard can play Paul.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

how does shaheen do wakeup kick after slide? I know you can cancel the dash with db but is there a way to stay on the ground like Law/Lee?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Firespawn
@Flameblow
Oh that's swee-

I saw him trying to erect his hair with his own spit.
NO NO NO ! BAD ! BAD JIMMY !

viagrandad
viagrandad

I saw a feng on twitch wearing a suit on pc, is this really in the game or its just a mod?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@viagrandad
mod

hairygrape
hairygrape

@kizzmybutt
i see, i wish i can play the pc version just for the mods and the better jukebox sound volume

askme
askme

@Firespawn
@Flameblow
We should sponsor Jimmy, sounds like an entertaining player

MPmaster
MPmaster

I've completely forgotten how to play Feng after months of Mishimas

Inmate
Inmate

for some reason I'm only getting matched with mishimas who spam the low spin kick into upper, how do I rape these shitters

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Inmate
Block it

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Who plays closest to a traditional grappler in this game? The whole throw break system means king doesn't really fit that mold.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Inmate
It's one of the strongest moves in the game so don't feel too bad about it. Either block it and risk getting the mid mixup, or sidestep to the left. I'd reccommend practicing sidestepping it before trying it out in a real match because you'll have to get a "feel" for sidestepping first. Assuming you are new to the game that is.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Just missed the tourney in the Bandai channel. How was it?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TurtleCat
I've been using Bryan so I try to side 1 things I don't want to block for that uppercut setup but most things seem to have loads of tracking

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Inmate

If you're fighting Kazuya sidestep left his mixup disappears completely if you do, the only other options he has is homing moves or wavedash ws2 which you won't see for a long long time.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@New_Cliche
13f TP with Hei
whoa, Hei had good WS punishment? what was the reason to play Kazuya instead of him then?
I imagine pretty much everyone was a mishima player

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Was Lei's haha step faster than KBD? It looks cool desu

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Dreamworx
I just remembered that jabs were 8f in DR IIRC, so a 13f punish wasn't that big of a deal, I guess?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@King_Martha
Just woke up, wasnt me. The original fil spotter used to get me 100%

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

match against a """beginner"""
he kills me in two combos
wow great matchmaking system here

takes2long
takes2long

@PackManBrainlure
welcome to the rice fields

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Nude_Bikergirl
King is still a grappler, you just can't be a shitter with him like you can in other game grapplers. Learn his grabs and learn to buffer them between moves and learn isw so you can force a 50/50 with giant swing.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Raving_Cute
He really doesn't play anything like a 2D grappler though. For a Tekken character to have a grab similar to a 2D grappler it'd need to be something like an untechable high power crush with an absolutely horrid recovery. 2D grapplers are about scaring your opponent into not pressing a button, or pressing one and getting frame trapped by the grab, but also making them want to avoid the grab by giving a huge reward for neutral jumping it.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@StonedTime

Not him but 2d grapplers are basically 50/50 characters?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@StonedTime
Yes and that doesn't exist in tekken because it would be lame as fuck. Grabs in tekken already have the ability to beat out mids and highs slower than i12 along with beating hopkicks(if you're King that is).
If King had an untechable grab it would literally be a 50/50 all day between the grab or a hopkick after every jab pressure string. Nobody wants that shit.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@PackManBrainlure
Every 2D character in most games is a 50/50 character by tekken standards in a lot of ways. 2D grapplers however get their gameplan going by mixing up between a high risk, potentially high reward grab (usually low reward though) and safer but less rewarding options. Command grabs are a type of move that forces the opponent to play differently because they exist. Neutral jumping on wakeup is risky as fuck and a terrible idea against anyone who doesn't have a command grab in street fighter, but if they do and you read the grab, you fucking murder them. As a result it makes the opponent want to jump which opens them up to getting hit by other stuff.

I'd say characters with incredibly strong low and high crushes would play more like a 2D grappler.

Techpill
Techpill

@ZeroReborn
Well yeah because in tekken kings grabs do a shit ton of damage. If it was a standard 2D game his untechable command grab would do like 20 damage and maybe leave you in position to run the mixup again, but probably not.

KoF command grabs for example do about 150 damage and knock down in a game where everyone has around 1000 hp. Those ones also come out in 1 frame. They're an option to beat both pressing a button and blocking but lose HORRIBLY to evading them. As a result it leads to gameplan that is built around tempting your opponent to go for that big juicy neutral jump punish.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StonedTime
So basically you want to play a 2D fighting game then?

MPmaster
MPmaster

What happened to Lucifer?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Techpill
1 frame
whoa. So it's a short range fast as fuck move that leaves you wide open on whiff I guess?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@StonedTime
Gigas has a powercrush grab. You do it by buffering his GS during his d3+4

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@MPmaster
don't even mention him retard

hairygrape
hairygrape

How do you beat Lee?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Emberfire
Yeah. Zero range, fast as shit, low reward but it makes your opponent really, REALLY want to punish it so they take risks to get that punish. So it rewards players who are good at figuring out their opponents mindset. They're also very good panic attacks since they're so damn fast.

So a good character recommendation for this dude would be someone with some fast but highly risky low/high crush moves and mids that punish them for ducking hard as fuck. Off the top of my head thats someone like Asuka or one of the Mishimas.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nude_Bikergirl
TELL ME
All I know about him is that he was a tripfaggot who had his own version of the OP and tried to make that the norm.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TurtleCat
Maybe Lili fits that role with the matterhorn.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@hairygrape
Don't press too many buttons, force him to open you up with d3 and try to block it when you have a read. If you do it that's the round for you.
He also can't hurt you from 2+ range (besides the slide meme) so if your character can poke him from longe range or bait approaches that'll work well

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@hairygrape
remind him that his generic low poke is minus one round on block

Methshot
Methshot

@Crazy_Nice
We all act like he dissapeared but this entire thread is actually him samefagging trying to get people to post more asuka porn. I'm also lucifer btw.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@TurtleCat
asuka
risky crushes

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TurtleCat
high risk low reward mixup that is based on people wanting to punish it

That is the Mishima 1,1,2 in a nutshell. If it hits you get small damage and a knockdown, if it's blocked you get launched.
The thing is, people wait for the 2 to come out so they can launch it and that's when you only do 1,1 and mix them up.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Need_TLC
That's the proactive grappler archetype yeah. Matterhorn fits the concept of a move that warps how you play the match because it exists though.

Oh jesus now I'm just imagining heihachi with matterhorn. I don't know if I should be ashamed at how much I want that.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Crazy_Nice
@Methshot
Lucifer
The same guy who polluted /bbg/ ?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@cum2soon
It's called Devil Jin

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@cum2soon
It wouldn't make heihachi that much more broken imo, he'd still have the big weakness of having risky lows and being weak to SSL.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

When your opponent guesses you d+3 twice in a row

No no this is not excerrent

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Poker_Star
Yeah, Devil Jin and maybe Claudio based on the whole thing about making them scared while you're in starburst or whatever the fuck its called and getting to open them up because of that.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Dreamworx
At higher levels Starburst is almost exclusively just for the mid launcher and for better combos, not really for opening people up.

I'd still think Kazuya is great if you like 50/50s, and DJ for the same reason and also if you like forcing people to act differently because of what tools you have.

FastChef
FastChef

@Soft_member
Give me another example of a cheap hitbox?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@FastChef
Not that dude but I got mine from Fightstickasia and aside from the cost of importing it it's real high quality stuff

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@FastChef
All hitboxes are cheap.

takes2long
takes2long

@AwesomeTucker
reliable*

RumChicken
RumChicken

@AwesomeTucker
lel

viagrandad
viagrandad

two orange ranks in player matches in a row
Huh, that's rare.

DeathDog
DeathDog

How do you play against 2d characters that aren't complete shitters? They're constantly in the air making them even more annoying to disrupt than fucking Ling. Let's not forget that at a distance they can just throw fireballs pretty much forcing you to approach slower but still forcing you to approach giving them a huge advantage. The hell am I suppossed to do against this shit?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@DeathDog
altf4 on the vs screen

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@DeathDog
get life lead
turtle
now they have to come to you

done

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Gigastrength
Fair enough, that isn't gonna work offline though. One of my mates plays Akuma and it's a damn pain. The only reason I usually beat him is when he fucks up and does something stupid.

Evilember
Evilember

@SomethingNew
Yeah but you can't always get that lifelead, especially when you can't hit them like I said at the start of my post.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

NEW THREAD
/vg/thread/201823802#p201823802
/vg/thread/201823802#p201823802
/vg/thread/201823802#p201823802
NEW THREAD

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evilember
YOU can't hit them because your offence is shit, work on it

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Carnalpleasure
Great advice there mate.

Evilember
Evilember

@TurtleCat
DON'T go to that thread, the OP is a retard. Someone make another one please

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Evilember
Take your autism pills and shit up please.

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