If you have food and you withhold it from a starving person, this is considered...

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

If you have food and you withhold it from a starving person, this is considered immoral.

Withholding sex from a virgin is also immoral.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@BinaryMan
I could agree, if you where talking about sex for reproductive means. As we all know, women, in general, have no ability to self reflect. Or at very least women under 30. In my most personal of opinions, men and women deserve a single mate unto which they would have a family and have to deal with the rigors of life. Marriage should a life long bond. Divorce goes against my better instincts.

Modern women have constructed themselves a palace on the back of men. Men are expected to be polite towards women, unless you are black, or stupid.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BinaryMan
The starving person will die.

The virgin might die as a direct consequence of being denied sex. But his death will be his own choice, as is the lack of sex. The fact that you can't acquire sex means something is wrong with you, not society.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Don't worry, my NEET friend.

This problem shall be solved once female robots are spread all over.

farquit
farquit

@Spamalot

Nah, the problem will be 'solved' when the government mandates that he has to give up his boipussy to faggots.

idontknow
idontknow

@Dreamworx
Psychology deterioration is just as bad, if not worse than death.

The fact that a homeless man can't acquire food may well be his own fault, that doesn't mean you should let him starve.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@idontknow
Psychology deterioration is just as bad, if not worse than death.

lel

MUUUHH DEEPRESSHUN CUZ I CANT GET LAID WURS THEN DEFF

back to /r9k/

We need a war to sort out people like you again.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Gigastrength
Nice memes. A body is just an empty shell if the mind is fucked up.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Gigastrength

Implying people like him were let anywhere near anything important.

SniperWish
SniperWish

why don't incels just hire prostitutes
there, fixed, no more need for pathetic /r9k/ self-pity

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Emberburn
MUH EMPTY SHELL WITHOUT SEX CRAAWWLLING INNNN MY SKIIINNNNNN THESEEEE WOUNNNDDSS THEEEYYY WILLL NOOOT HHEEALLLL

my sides, keep going. normalfags who define their lives around pussy make me laugh hard

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TurtleCat
virgins
normalfags
Get your facts straight.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@eGremlin
falling for the newfag meme that normalfag is equivalent to normie and not in fact a term to refer to /r9k/virgins who so desperately want to be normal they get suicidal over it

Soft_member
Soft_member

are white incel manlets the niggers of the 21st century?

i think so

farquit
farquit

@SniperWish
Prostitution isn't legal in many countries.

Methshot
Methshot

@TurtleCat
I agree. I am a virgin myself, but my ressentiment comes from not being someone like Nietzsche or Riemann the great men of great lives. Who cares about pussies. When you are miserable waste of human existence devoid of any talents, being the virgin is least of your problems

hairygrape
hairygrape

@idontknow
Nobody owes you anything. People will give food to the starving because they feel bad about them. People will also feel bad about virgins, and some women might even pity fuck them. But in general; if you are an incel, there is something, psychologically, or physically, or even both, that is wrong with you. You are the one that's stopping yourself from having sex. Does anyone in general stop themselves from obtaining food? Food and sex are in different categories. Denying food to someone is considered immoral since the intent will lead to the persons suffering and death. Nobody denies you really denies you sex. Some woman might deny it because she sees you as pathetic or ugly or something. But just like the homeless man CAN fix himself and acquire food and maybe housing. So can you fix yourself as much as you can, and maybe ACQUIRE sex. If the starving homeless man just whined about how people should give him anything, he will starve and stay homeless.

You know it's true. Any rationalization you make is just putting yourself back into you comfy ''suffering''.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@hairygrape
kys normalslime

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Firespawn
I'm ''one of you'' retard, but at least I'm not a self-pitying retard.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BinaryMan
I don't believe the witholding of anything is immoral in the sense of a transgression. Everyone should retain their right to abstaining without social backclash.

This is why """Classic liberals""" are retarded. If you don't want to deal with someone they're happy with that. If everyone else happens to also not want to deal with someone then it's """opression""" and you should all be obligated to deal with them.
Fuck obligatory sentiment. Inaction is a personal right. It is only in taking proactive action against someone that morals and legality should come into it.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@hairygrape
I agree in part however you presume that there would be no incapacitations that would stop people aquiring food. There are. You also assume that there aren't any incapacitations that would render someone unable to fix them, there are. They are less likely but there are certainly situations in which people are unable to help themselves due to how badly they are functioning.
Whether that changes the focus of responsibility as you described it, I don't know. However, you cannot pretend these circumstances don't exist to make your propose more appealing and 'just'

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BinaryMan
Why don't you virgins fuck each other then?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime
Kek
cladsic liberals
Nigga u retarded or sumtin?
First of kys, 2nd classic liberalism is about the individual and his right to his body, property etc. No obligations exist, states create obligations = fuuck the state smookr weeeed

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@hairygrape
I'm homeless and have to beg for food and I STILL manage to get laid. It's not that hard.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BunnyJinx
Talk to a classic liberal and watch them harp on. The withholding of something is the right of an individual but so is the right not to be """oppressed""" we is the result of a collective of individuals experessing their rights. Classic libs are fucking stupid, and so clearly are you.

5mileys
5mileys

@BinaryMan
These people that simply are unable to acquire sex do exist, but that's why I spoke about the *general* circumstance. If you are severely mentally ill or very ugly; those are your problems, not sex. Sex won't magically fix your problems, fixing your problems will make you more capable of getting sex.

However, you cannot pretend these circumstances don't exist to make your propose more appealing and 'just'

I'm not arguing for any justice. But talking about reality. Stop wishing for your ideals to come true, for the world to bend to your ideals. See what you have at your disposal and deal with the world according to your interest.

Shit, I will even say that food is not a right. People will generally see it as such though. But not sex, since most of them have sex and see those who don't as incapable and sad. But on the other hand if someone doesn't have sex for religious purposes or some shit, some people will see it as admirable. You see, it's about capability. If you want something badly but can't acquire it, you are neurotic and seen as pathetic.

likme
likme

@Ignoramus
I never said that couldn't be the case for someone. As I said, it depends on the person, both psychologically and physically.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@5mileys
It is in the choosing that judgements are made, more or less.
But that all becomes irrelevant when you say that food isn't a right. What is a right but something one requires and can pursue relentlessly wihtout moral qualm. Many see rights as things that should always be granted to you but of course this implies that another must offer it to you. If witholding isn't a moral evil than rights in the later definition cannot exist because I am under no duress to see you fed on my food.
Rights are just a guide to morally acceptable action in which other immoral deeds are personally permisible if not justifiable in pursuit of their fullfillment.
Need to kill someone for your saftey? Permittted. Saftey is a right.
Need to steal to eat?
Do it. Survival is imperitive.

Simple as that (though there are few circumstances where the only option to attain food is stealing but you catch my drift).

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Firespawn
The virtues of society stop these ultimatums coming to pass. If two people are in a room and one has food the other will more than likely share if the lack of food would cause the other to die. This is from social and genetically ingrained sympathy but by the former defiition of a right it also avoid justifying the other individual from stealing their food or killing them for it if they resist.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@BinaryMan
Food is necessary for life, and unless giving food away puts you at risk (i.e. you have only two sandwiches left and it's going to be like 2 days before you get more food), holding onto food without eating it doesn't really provide any real benefit.

People don't die from not having sex, and furthermore, if the virgin is unattractive, having sex with them may be an unpleasant experience. Although both fall under "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", the margin of positive to negative is higher for one than for the other.

@farquit
Neither is rape, but many incels consider it a valid option.

@StonedTime
Everyone should retain their right to abstaining without social backclash.
There's some situations where this doesn't work though. If you make the decision to "abstain" in the middle of your shift at a nuclear plant, and a meltdown happens as a result, should you not be held responsible?

This is why """Classic liberals""" are retarded.
Aren't "classical liberals" the ones who focus on freedom of association and so on?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BinaryMan
A lack of food causes physical injury to a person
A lack of sex does not
This is how freedom works. You don't have the right to inflict injury on a person, and nobody is harming you for being a virgin because that's a lifestyle choice that YOU made

The reason you NEETs are still kissless virgins is precisely because you have this attitude where you think that you deserve sex and that women exist as objects to serve towards that end, rather than treating them as another actual person whose feelings, needs, and desires are the same as yours. women can smell the contempt you have for them which is why they want nothing to do with you.

Alphas might be able to get away with it but you're not that, so get down off your high horse, take a shower, stop jacking off to porn so often, lift more, and if you need help not being a social autist there are actual places that can help you not be an awkward sperg. Take charge of your own life. Demanding other people live for your sake is immoral, and that's why girls keep rejecting you

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Nude_Bikergirl

tfw you realize arranged marriage was right

what have we done

TechHater
TechHater

@BinaryMan
It's another one of those entitled millennial episodes, huh

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BlogWobbles
Their shit breaks down when you have a collective of people using their rights. They see it all in terms of individuals being acted on by collectives without aknowledging that the collective is made of inidividuals.

flaking on a job
That isn't abstainance. He was offered a job which he accepted. For better or worse he has become responsible. However, had someone desperately needed a civillian to hop on their consol so they could fix a reactor problem that would otherwise destroy the town? Well that would be abstinence. They never engaged in this responsibility willingly. Someone tried to thrust culpability onto them. Obviously there's incentive (the town not going to hell) but in actuality the civillian would be justified in his refusal if he so chose to refuse.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BinaryMan
lmao how can blue balls even be real, like just jack off nigga. Rub your own dick.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PurpleCharger

I had such bad blue balls the other day I thought I was like dying of kidney failure or something lol

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TechHater
don't make this a generation thing. I'm a millennial and I think it's kinda funny how sad and pathetic they are.

Past generations of kissless virgins didn't have anyone else to sperg out with (except maybe one or two other outcasts). Current generations shitpost on Veeky Forums before their pityparty gets pruned and/or deleted

King_Martha
King_Martha

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