Britain starts world war 2 by declaring war on Germany ostensibly to safeguard polish independence and sovereignty

Germany lost the First World War, they were in no position to bargain for territories. France and Britain, as victors, had rightful interests in preventing Germany from taking those lands back.

One would think that 9 months would had been enough for them to figure out how to cross the border to Germany.

East Prussia as an area of German settlement was founded "on the other side of Poland" in the first place, with no territorial contiguity with other German states. The so-called Polish corridor has always had a Polish majority, even in all the Prussian censuses.

tl;dr: Germany demanding a land connection between Germany proper and East Prussia is like the United States demanding a land connection to Alaska.

Germany's localised war fighting against Polish persecution and occupation of Germans was over in 1939. It was France and Britain that caused the war to go on beyond that and turn into a world war, since they refused any concept of peace.

Frenxh and Brits are ratger retarded when it comes to war strategy

So you're saying america should conquer British columbia? Brilliant Idea!

Whole Canada is rightful American clay desu.

>Britain starts world war 2 by declaring war on Germany

No
If we consider that Austria started WW1 by attacking Serbia, then Germany started WW2 by attacking Poland
Because if Britain started WW2 by attacking Germany, it means Germany started WW1 by attacking Russoa and France

Baltic lands*

Why are you lying about us? Germany's undefended border was right next to France and the frogs did nothing before promptly surrendering as soon as Germany looked their way. The miracle of Dunkirk (aka the BEF stoutly fighting its way out of France) was the only reason Hitler didn't win WW2. A free Poland being a thing today is only possible thanks to our lads.

France should be blamed for all the terrible shit WW2 unleashed on Poland and Europe. Fucking cheese eating surrender monkeys.

Google "Operation Unthinkable". Britain wanted to free Poland, but there was no way we could beat the USSR alone and the Americans weren't interested in helping us. Also, while decades of misrule by Gommunists was a less than ideal outcome for Poland, it sure beats what the Nazis had in store.

A fine demonstration of how perfidious anglos are

Poland was no puppet.

>start annexing lands with people who do not want to be within your country
>WE DINDU NUTHIN IT WUZ DA ANGLOS
This is almost as retarded as
>start a war against the whole world
>blame the jews for loosing

Are you accusing the Poles of annexing Prussia? Because that was the Yalta conference, and there were no Poles present.

>gets involved in the bloodiest war in history to honour a treaty
>perfidious

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>France and Germany caused the warto go beyond Poland
>The French and British made Germany invade Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, France and Denmark
>They wuz gud bois who dindu nuffin

kek, Germany didnt deserve those lands anyways
>go to war over Danzig
>lose
>Danzig is eternally Polnisch
scheiße

>they refused any concept of peace
:^)

>have plans to invade Poland since the Weimar Republic days in 1928
>know they have an agreement with France & England
>invade anyways
>Britain & France give you 3 (three) days to pullback your troops and preserve peace
>dont
>they declare hostilities on 9/3/39
>"whatever kek we iz aryans n shiet"
>start a world war over a shitty mostly farm country the size of New Mexico
>proceed to get skullfucked until 1945
>surrender after losing so many young men that died in vain
>country is in ruin
>dresden is wiped off the map
>get cucked harder than any country has ever been after defeat
>country is split and pseudo occupied until 1990
>still on an eternal guilt trip
>still to this day the consequences follow them
>cant turn away refugees because you'll get called nazis and racists
>all because you invaded Poland
>"we dindu nuffin"
got raped so hard it gave "Proud Master Race Aryans, True Rulers of Europe" a victims mentality

You can't even just look at Poland in a vacuum. Before the invasion of Poland Hitler had been aggressively militarizing, breaking agreements & annexing territory on the gamble that Britain & France would be too timid to resist him.

If Britain & France didn't declare war after the invasion of Poland Hitler would have most assuredly just invaded & annexed the next thing he set his sights on.

>britain declares war on germany for invading poland
>britain doesn't declare war on ussr for invading poland at the same time
what did they mean by this?

>it's britain's fault germany invaded a bunch of places

yeah poor hitler we just really forced him to start annexing swathes of mitteleuropa jeez what a victim

>backstab the ally that's independence you claimed to guarantee and whose armies have fought alongside yours since the day 1
>not perfidious

> Backstab

I don't think you know what that word means.

but the same could be said for the Soviet Union, which had taken Tannu Tuva, Mongolia, Bessarabia and the Baltic States prior to the war, before going on to set up puppet states in Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, East Germany and Czechoslovakia.

There was barely any difference in terms of context.

Not that I don't understand the ultimate decision; winning a war with the USSR wasn't feasible for Britain and France, and the USA wasn't ready to go along, so what the hell could they do.

It was in fact the treaty of Munich that started WW2, or rather Hitler's desision to violate it despite having gotten everything he'd asked for. This proved to the world that he was a mad dog, who would have to be put down since he couldn't be negotiated with.

>and the Baltic States prior to the war
I know for a fact that this didn't happen until 1940, AFTER the invasion of poland, but I can't speak to the others

There was no realistic possibility to win. In fact Churchill did commission a plan to attack the USSR, but its findings were so dire that the allies adopted a defensive posture instead. If Stalin had decided to bring Communism to Europe, there's little chance the Allies could have stopped him, even with nukes.

not him but Poland did get back stabbed by us

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Bullshit. We went to war as we promised we would and fought for 5 solid years, ultimately it proved impossible to free Poland but it wasn't for lack of trying.

Sure, if by "trying" you mean "sucking Stalin's cock as hard as possible" that is.

See and There was no possibility of beating the USSR in 1945, in fact we're lucky they didn't decide to attack us.

>t. ankie

I absolutely agree with this. We must build a land connection to Alaska from Washington! Filthy Canadian scum! BC Is rightful AMERICAN CLAY!!

>no possibility of beating the USSR in 1945

Yeah, if you googled "op unthinkable" and read the Wikipedia page on the subject and nothing else.

>muh red army invincible overstretched and undersupplied far far away from moscow

RT shills really want you to believe this.

>German lands

they werent, they were Polish.

>he thinks the nazis treated cilivans worse than soviet communist

hahhaha. Good one user.

>kills entire villages that rebel because they are in the middle of total war

or

>kills and rapes every single village they come into because they want to

TAKE YOUR PICK user

But muh Soviets were too strong
>conveniently ignoring the fact that the western allies themselves were responsible for that

The Soviets would rape your women and steal your pigs, but the Nazis literally wanted to exterminate every single one of you.

Hey user, I think you replied to the wrong post.

Go look into actual historical accounts. Everyone that went from Nazi to Communist control, wanted the nazis back so badly. Communism was hell on earth for every single person who was in its path. Nazis were only bad for retards and kikes.

>destroying those villages was just antipartisan operations
This is advanced wehrabooism.

Dirty ungrateful Pollacks have no right to complain. Britain owes them nothing. If they don't want to get invaded maybe they should have raised a proper army.

>Nazis were only bad for retards and kikes.
and sinti, roma, the lgbtq community, people of color in general ...

go back to /pol/ shitlord

>sinti, roma,
He said retards so gypsies got automatically included
>lgbtq community
Nothing wrong with gassing them either
>people of color
Fear not, Hitler worshiped T*rks&Arabs so Nazi Europe would be just as enriched as the current one.

faggots didn't exist back then. faggotry is a fairly recent mental disorder

>t. ivan

you should've been bombed to hell and back you british scum

>it's another "/int/posters and nazi apologists cry crocodile tears over Poland as a vehicle to have bitch session over Britain" thread

Nah, it is more of UK getting reminded of its past crimes and not taking it too well.

Nice repeating digits also.

Why do they keep posting these threads despite being proven wrong every single time

I'm sure you're the sort of guy who would, in a different thread, bitch and moan about how unreasonable and unfair the incorporation of Alsace Lorraine in 1871 was .

Serbian intelligence services started WW1, desu

>hitler shot self in head
>fell on the floor
>everybody walk the dinosaiur

Winston Churchill demanding that the French continue to fight after the fall of Paris.

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>Nah, it is more of UK getting reminded of its past crimes and not taking it too well.
Then why not criticise any of the other western allies for abandoning Poland also? At least Churchill gave serious consideration to Operation Unthinkable. It's pure /int/posting, one of the intractable cancers of Veeky Forums. Why not criticise the Nazis for spurring the Russians out of their essentially isolationist doctrine of Socialism in One Country with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? What logic gives them the right to go to war against all and sundry but not Britain or France, anyway? No logic, just mindless Nazi apoligism, another cancer.

>first german tanks enter france
>brits evacuate their forces from the country
>then bitch when french don't feel like fighting anymore

>going to war in order to honour your agreement to defend another country from Germany for the 2nd time in 20 years, is a crime

>expecting Frenchmen to fight for France is too much

>go to war to protect another country's independence
>proceed to sell them to the uncle joe
>not a crime

This right here.

Pretty sure this was the case for Bessarabia as well, as it was for the war with Finland.

Britain was done as a power after ww2 they did their best but Americans weren't really interested.

>He thinks WW2 was about preserving Polish independence
Bwhahahahahahaha

You naive, stupid fuck.
Nobody gave a shit about Poland back then and nobody gives a shit about Poland now.

Churchill was just following British Imperial policy as it has existed since the 1500s: No state must become hegemonic on the European continent and the channel ports must remain open to British commerce at all costs

States don't have friends, enemies or ideals. They only have interests.

>Serbian intelligence

Churchill wasn't in charge when the war started

It was about stopping Germany, not saving Poland.
The Soviet Union made moves in Europe thanks to Germany.

>pedantic fuck
Chamberlain and Churchill.
Both followed the same policy.
British foreign policy.
Which has remained constant to this day.

No hegemonic power in Europe and free trade in the oceans.

Why do people still fall for this? The guy was clearly just taking the piss, yet people like you believe that he is actually British, and that is actually what he thinks. Hence the whole 'perfidious Anglo' thing that gets plastered all over this board. Hes just having a laugh yet people lose their shit over it and think it's genuine

it's in their interests to reply to it earnestly, gives them fuel to continue /int/posting.

I want you to compare the GDPs of Russia and the USA during WW2, and come back to me when you realize how retarded you are.

>have plans to invade Poland since the Weimar Republic days in 1928

The US has plans to invade Canada and actually did in the past. So what's your point?

>Winston Churchill demanding that the French continue to fight after the fall of Paris.

He was made Prime Minister once France was attacked and immediately had to put up with Reynaud, Gamelin and others calling him to hysterically cry about how their arses are being kicked and later acting the same way in person after he went to France.

By all records the French leadership had thoroughly soiled their pantaloons within five days of the fighting and would just break down in hysterics instead of discussing any way to try to reverse the situation.

If you're only looking at the wiki page on it, and only the ground forces involved, then yes, it would be very unlikely to succeed.

However, if you factor in the American and British air forces, then it all suddenly becomes very possible. The soviets had a lot more troops and tanks in Germany at the time, but if the western allies achieve air supremacy, all those troops would quickly run out of food, ammo, and fuel as their supply lines essentially cease to exist. A 4:1 advantage in numbers isn't so great when those numbers are starving, demoralized, out of ammo, and cut off from your command.

Airpower alone wasn't enough to carry offensives in the face of inferior ground forces. You look at things like Anzio, or the early 1942 North African theater, and you see possibilities of advancing in spite of heavy air inferiority.

What would be more relevant is longer term ability on part of the Western Allies to build bigger and continually reinforce, both ground and air. And don't forget, those "invincible" Soviets were only able to advance about 150 km a month against the shattered dregs of the German army in 1945. They'd go far, far slower against the Western Allies, and it's about 250 km to the Rhine alone, meaning that you'd waste most of the summer of 45 fighting just to clear Germany of the Allies, let alone before you get to things like real geographic barriers and stuff that's economically important to them.

Should have nuked the Krouts

>i'm retarded

>t.Gerald Ford

>Both followed the same policy.
But that's wrong. Churchill wanted to go to war with Germany far earlier

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Didn't one of them receive the news he was in charge of defending France, by driving around Paris having tea with officials and diplomats, like it was just a normal day and there weren't thousands of Nazis zerging towards them?

At least they did reduced the damage, didn't they?

FUCK OFF BRITISH SHILL

>have no right to complain
not him/them but they do have a right to complain. They lost something like 1/4 of their prewar population, they helped us from 1940-45 and we turned our backs on them

want to know how i know youre 12

I'm believe in the Realist theory of International Relations, so no I wouldn't.

>sell them
>implying they could tell the Soviets to fuck off

lol

>be Pole
>this whole Thread

Maybe they should have accepted the Soviets offer for help.