Does Latin America feel a lot guilt for the slavery that happened there? Is it like the US when it comes to guilt...

obviously the modern day spanish and french are the ones who stayed in their shithole rather than leaving and colonizing
in all likelyhood you are the descendants of the ones who went and colonized

Why are the proportions on this map so out of place. It makes it seem like the thirteen colonies were the biggest importer of slaves.

mestizos owned slaves

anyway I think the real answer is that latin america doesn't suffer from the same extent of autism that the US does

>implying they weren't

spanish and french learned really quick that instead of infecting them with the pox and shooting their faces the local tribes made a really efficient workforce, negating the need for african slaves

>implying Brazil didn't import three times as many slaves as the US
>implying Indians don't die really quickly if you put them to hard labor

Why are people ITT acting like only whites could own slaves in Latin America?

> latin america doesn't suffer from the same extent of autism that the US does
Helps when you've not had a civil war over it.

No we freed our spaces before or immediately after independence

Apart from them, only jews owned slaves.

Not yet, but Soros is funding NGOs to make sure we feel guilt and give our women to black men as retribution too.

>afrolatinos-migration.jpg

That map is straight up bullshit, it's claiming that most of the African slaves went to the British N.American colonies / U.S.A. when in fact, that _vast majority_ of African slaves got shipped to S.America and the Caribbean.

This actually.

Also blacks were in the front lines in the independence wars, and Haiti helped Bolivar a lot. Actually Bolivar's success is thanks to Haiti.
Most people don't know that side of history.

>White people ancestry worldwide
>White people ancestry
>White people
>White people

Have you ever studied history it's well documented that many more slaves were importanted and died in the Latin America

You're a fucking idiot. Everyone knows that shit and indentured servants didn't work.

>Latin America
You mean Brazil. I'd be surprised if Spanish America combined imported more slaves than the US.

>In many places the attitude towards blacks can be similar to that of Japan being one of curiosity and ignorance rather than blatant contempt.
Pretty much this. The first time I ever saw a black person was when I visited some relatives in Atlanta.

I remember that we ended up in the underground or whatever it's called, and it was filled with black people. I didn't think much of it (being a kid), but my parents were somewhat surprised.

A couple of years later I learned that my father was actually pretty racist, though. Not in the "fuck niggers", but more in the "damn, black people sure are ugly" way. I personally don't give a damn either way, and have had friendly chats with black people while going abroad on more than one occasion (one of those times in Japan, funnily enough).

First thing I found. It's probably not the most accurate but I doubt it's off by a factor of five
slaverysite.com/Body/facts and figures.htm

slaverysite.com/Body/facts and figures.htm

Though I'll admit I was wrong for not taking the Spanish Caribbean islands into account, I'll still mention that, technically, a continent (America in this case, from the 1-continent view) does not include the islands by definition.

Not sure how accurate this is

>conflicting dates for Argentina

It should be noted that Cuba and Puerto Rico abolished slavery while still being part of the Spanish Empire.

It seems that the largest hold outs that were independent were Peru and Brazil.

I just looked it up 1813 was the free womb act where children of slaves were no longer slaves and 1853 was when slavery was forbidden explicitly on a constitutional level

oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199766581/obo-9780199766581-0157.xml

I guess that is fair if round about point. I haven't been able to find good numbers but from what I can it seems to imply there were more coming to Spanish South America. That being said the only reason the thirteen colonies imported less was because it's milder climate and less productive agriculture meant less demand for slaves because so many less were dying.

The Asamblea de 1813 also stated that slaves become free as soon they enter the country. But we barely have slaves here bacause no plantations, they were servants for rich families. En 1853 we had the first Constitution accepted for all the provinces iirc.

El Salvador not only had outlawed slavery, it even had prohibited the entry of black people into the country until like the early 20th century.

>anyone other than wh*ites
>guilt over slavery
I raffed

Probably about as guilty as the Spaniards would feel about the slavery practiced in Spain during Roman times.

That's even more fucked up given that colonizing is just a mean to obtain resources for the metropoli.

Alot these countries practiced slavery after independence and it's not like it was the Spaniards who owned all the slaves.

>Latin America
I think you mean Portugal and Spain and the creation of Las Castas and Econmienda?

We had no segregation and most of us are mixed. I think blacks in some countries are almost non-existant anyways.

Blacks were also allowed to practice and pass down their own traditions with much more ease, and eventually music genres derived from African music sprang out and became part of the folklore of the country. Not to say racism doesn't exists (my family is racist as fuck), but it didn't play such a big role in history as in the US were they almost split into 2 due to it.

So tl;dr: whitey is evil.

>no slaves in Central America
Wtf are Centries the whitest race on this continent?

It's not like slavery was outlawed in the Spanish post-Roman kingdoms either. It just never was an integral part of the economy and society. Ditto for (most of) Latin America.

It's true that black people are basically non-existent in Central America (you'll notice that the highest percentages come from places with external British or American influence, like Belize, Panama, and the Mosquito Coast in Honduras and Nicaragua), but most of Central Americans have some degree of mestization with the local populations. Mestizos can range from almost fully white from almost fully Amerindian, while pure white and Amerindian communities are small and exist mostly in rural towns.

has any african country ever apologized for their role in the slave trade?

after all the europeans didn't come and enslave them, they bought the slaves the various african kingdoms gladly offered

here in Uruguay blacks fought in the war for independence and later civil wars, most are quite nationalist and traditional

The same happened in Chile, though most of them died in the independence wars (by design, I'm told).

Not Chilean by the way, I was told about this at a museum in Santiago.

Ghana has yeah. You can get Ghanese citizenship if you're African Diaspora.

I do wonder, how many people on a yearly basis actually make use of that option?

never heard of chilean blacks desu
Argentina did have blacks and used them as cannon fodder in the paraguayan war and the conquest of the south

>never heard of chilean blacks desu
That's the point.

>used them as cannon fodder
That's the point.

not sure, but there are a lot of caribbean blacks working in Africa and mostly in governement jobs

when I was a kid I had never seen a black person. So, when a friend went (with his family) on vacations to Brazil I asked him if he saw black people, he told me yes, I asked if he shook hands with one and how that felt, and he said "like sandpaper". I believed it.

I'm American, my ancestors owned slaves, I don't feel any guilt. American blacks have a better standard of living than anywhere in sub Saharan Africa. They probably live much better than the descendants of the Africans who sold their ancestors into slavery.

>American blacks have a better standard of living than anywhere in sub Saharan Africa.
But that's wrong.

Sub-saharan Africa is very diverse, and while there are many shitty places, there's also many places that are pretty okay.

Of course, the same holds true for black Americans: there's many that live in slums and there's some that are quite wealthy. My point is that such blanket statements are infantile.

And not that I'm saying you should feel guilty or anything, that'd be stupid.

Argie here. No guilt towards blacks mostly because they haven't been present in our history for more than a century. We didn't have many slaves, slavery was abolished sort of early and most our black died in wars and plagues in the 19th century.

There're some elements of guilt towards native american populations. Specially towards pacific ones, specially in the north of the country. We have some laws that establish NA reserves and some pensions.

Most of our racism also goes to mestizos and native americans. Specially, foreigners from neirbhouring countries with lots of indian blood, mainly Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia

>Sub-saharan Africa is very diverse, and while there are many shitty places, there's also many places that are pretty okay.

I didn't dispute that. However there isn't a place with a better standard of living than blacks enjoy in America.

In the New Spain there were very few slaves, and often from mexico city they would free them by the church or by civil authorities not let them in. So none of the countries that are now Mexico, Central American states, or the Philippines have any black people to feel guilty about.

Only white people are cucks enough to feel guilt about the past, the Japanese genocided millions of people and they wont even acknowledge it, why would they? its retarded.

Argentine here
Slaves all went to Brazil( no wonder its a shithole)
Nobody cares about gibs me DAT niggers here,everybody is out for themselves and their own

>the slaves went to brazil

They went over the andes to be cannon fodder against the spanish because San Martin promised them their freedom.

Not Brasil, more like Peru.

Oh yeah,that too, but they where sent alongside whites
War is war

We actually have shit to deal with instead of making up issues so that we can feel like we are doing something. So no, there's no "guilt" down there.

>There isn't really much of legacy of formally legalized segregation

Africaness didn't exist at that time
>justifying slavery

see

>the Japanese genocided millions of people and they wont even acknowledge it
That is a meme.

They do acknowledge it, have apologized for it (more than once) and the common people do know about it. They just question the CCP's version of the account (particularly on the number of victims) and have grown tired about the Chinese bringing it up on every occasion when it's already a thing of the past.

Also, it wasn't a genocide, but a massacre. The point of killing the hundreds of thousands (not millions, even by Chinese accounts) wasn't to eradicate Chinese people from the area systematically, but to make sure there wouldn't be any witnesses of the atrocities. It's unnecessary to state that they failed/didn't think it through.

>Nobody cares about gibs me DAT niggers here,everybody is out for themselves and their own
Lol, that's rich considering the chief political problem in your country right now is that people (admittedly not black people) had grown accustomed to gibs me DAT by the corrupt government (that crashed the economy with no survivors) and are now mad that they aren't gibing any more.

There's lots of white niggers in Argentina that just don't like working, I've experienced that first hand. I'm glad I was able to find many other, hard working, Argentinians who are as disgusted at their attitudes as me.

youtube.com/watch?v=umDkGR-A-7s

That's just Spanish autism, in practice, there was a caste system that pretty much went Peninsulars>Criollos>Mestizos>Amerindians>Slaves when it came to political power.

The wars of independence were fought by Criollos (pure Spaniards born in the colonies) and Mestizos trying to break free of perceived peninsular domination, and slaves were freed pretty much immediately after independence (where they even existed), changing the caste system to economical stratification pretty much overnight.

Segregation in the sense of "black businesses/white businesses" never existed like in the US. It was always about money and private property.

>macri
>leaving 3 million jobless
>didn't do anything he promised
>worsened the inflation
>tried to make a deal with the state to pardon a multi million dollar Dept to a company he owns (coreo Argentino)
>more corrupt than k herself
>loves to suck on Hillary/obamas cock
>neo liberal cumfaggot
>tells the old that they can go fuck themselves

I told them not to vote for this kike,they all called me a commie,now they are legit pissed

This country takes two steps forward and six steps back,commie k was bad,but not as bad as clarin would have you think,at least in my eyes,she's decently better than (((macri gato)))

>welfare leeches are mad
Everyone is mad now,from doctors to teachers,to the thousands left jobless
Its one thing to have a socialist-ish country, but doing a 180 turn to the other extreme is retarded
Fuck macri,my cigarettes are fucking 25 pesos now!
At least we are white

>and many people think they never should
That's what irks me about the whole situation. Seriously, fuck eternal victim complex faggots.

>carry on business like usual
>>WHY DON'T YOU APOLOGIZE FOR WAR or CRIMES
>apologize
>>DON'T TRY TO PUT THE PAST BEHIND WITH AN APOLOGY

Seriously, fuck you. Barely any Japanese soldiers are alive, if any, and the current generation owes absolutely nothing to the victims of the atrocities of past generations. Japan is going out of their way to apologize in spite of that in order to mend relationships and move forward, and these fuckers instead freak out because they really just want revenge or perpetual gibs me dat.

And this is true for all victim complexes out there. Blacks that cry about whites, Armenians that cry about Turks, Eastern Europeans that cry about Germany/Austria/Ottomans/USSR, Latin Americans that cry about Spain and Portugal, Indians, Middle Easterners and Chinese that cry about westerners in general, etc. Fuck every single one of those groups, they're just trying to gain free sympathy and money and inventing excuses for their own failures.

And I say this as a mestizo Latin American.

Job titles mean nothing when you could be "working" at a company while only going to work once every couple of months because of "health problems" while being unable to get fired and even unable to get demoted as long as you are present every X amount of days. Not exactly welfare leeches, but only because it's private money what they're leeching.

I fell in love with Argentina during my time there, it's a beautiful country from Buenos Aires to Bariloche to Ushuaia, but it has a terrible work culture.

What the fuck?
You said that Japaneses don't apologize, I post a counter-example and then you get mad.
I didn't made the video if it is that's you want to know.

I'm not the guy you replied to, I'm I'm mad at the Koreans who reacted badly at Japan's apology, not at your or the makers of the video.

Your right there, shame this beautifully peace of land will never be prosperous between commies and sellout right-wingers fighting for power
I can only pray for a competent leader,and a competent people

>Job titles mean nothing when you could be "working" at a company while only going to work once every couple of months because of "health problems" while being unable to get fired

That's peronism law for ya! Also happens in state run companies

Peronism had its run,but its time to move on,its not the fucking 50's anymore,

The only way to save Argentina is to open giant military factories(and make them explosion proof)
Fabricate bullets,bombs and other war supplies
sell them to anybody with the cash,no questions asked
And get rid of worker unions (or at least cut down their power)

Oh but there is a class of Black, Arab, Latino, Asian people??
Fuck off with your bullshit

And look how that turned out

But they don't self-flagellate over it like whites do. I would say the apologizing is more for international relations than actual guilt; proof can be found in Abe visiting War memorial shrines in Japan that apparently venerate War Criminals. You would NEVER find average Germans venerating the SS. Also the Japs still hat Chinks and Gooks with a fiery passion, and haven't succumbed to anti-racist bs so theres that.

Pretty well?

If you believe abolishing slavery early on has even the slightest bit of influence on the problem Latin America is facing today, you're beyond retarded.

>the sins of the father

fuck off with this bs. Even in America less than 5% of whites are descendent of slave owners

WHITE WESTERNERS WERE THE FIRST CULTURE TO UNANIMOUSLY ABOLISH SLAVERY.

fuck off with your unhistory

>But they don't self-flagellate over it like whites do.
You're moving the goal posts.

>I would say the apologizing is more for international relations than actual guilt
They're still acknowledging the atrocity though, aren't they? And why would the new generation they feel guilty over crimes they didn't commit?

>proof can be found in Abe visiting War memorial shrines in Japan that apparently venerate War Criminals
That's a political stunt (Japanese politics are weird). The Yasukuni shrine doesn't "venerate war criminals" though, it's just a shinto shrine that also serves as mausoleum for the soldiers that died during WWII. Of course, that means some of the war criminals are enshrined in there, which is what gets Koreans and Chinese's panties in a bunch, which is somewhat funny when you consider that there's Korean soldiers that fought for Imperial Japan (Korea was a Japanese colony at the time, after all) enshrined in there too. However, those events are also highly publicized in Korea and China precisely increase the hatred between the nations (because apparently hating each other is the nationalistic thing to do according to East Asian right-wing nuts).

If you ask me why Abe does it, it's probably to stir Koreans and Chinese into an anti-Japanese frenzy that in turn can stir the Japanese into an anti-Korean anti-Chinese frenzy. It's no secret that Abe happens to also be kind of a right-wing nutcase, and that apparently there's plenty of Korean and Chinese immigrants in Japan. I guess you can put two and two together.

If you ask the average citizen, opinions about the war crimes will vary quite a lot. As they always should between different individuals.

Guilt, regret, foresight, empathy, a justified ego, rational +critical thinking. These are things Latin America are not known for just to put out a non sequitur point.

user forced labour is still slave labour in all but name. Nation's found a way around it easy.

I want collectivist retards to leave.

But many of those things aren't really silly because the grievances still exist or the effects are stoll being felt today.

Ussr fucking ruined east Europe and the scars are still felt today and Russia is still acting out and making shit miserable for everyone.

If Russia is doing shitty things today, then they deserve to be called out on that.

The USSR collapsed about 25 years ago. Some of the economies that stagnated because of the USSR are already pulling themselves up, no thanks to the people who decide to spend their time complaining about the USSR, but thanks to the people who decide to actually do something about it.

Sure, some of the soviet leaders (and also the national communist leaders for countries that were satellites) might still be alive. Not that complaining to them or punishing them is going to accomplish anything, since I doubt they still wield any sort of power. What's more, you're sure to keep listening to the same old spiel well into this century when they're all actually dead, because that's what's happened with every single victim complex that's come before.

A lot did but I don't have the list. Many have free citizenship to any who can show their ancestors origins to groups from that nation.

You know you can complain and do something at the same time spic they aren't mutually exclusive.

Cold war culture is very deeply ingrained in the government and people and that takes a super Long time to wear out or mitigate. Shit like that doesn't disappear suddenly Dumbass.

Like the huge ass number of people who were in the government during the cold war is massive in many places. Hers the new boss, same as old one so to speak.

Then what is the purpose served by complaining? If it's used as a cathartic measure to let up frustration related to the issue then it's fine, but it's when it's used as an excuse for any sort of failure or when it brought up in the sense that the "guilty" party owes something where I have a problem, because there's clear ulterior motives and ultimately only prolongs conflict needlessly.

>Shit like that doesn't disappear suddenly Dumbass.
That's exactly my point you fucking moutbreather.

The USA freed slaves much later than most of Latin America, needed a civil war with hundreds of thousands of deaths to do it, had an apartheid system until the1960s, and race relations are still bad and seem to be worsening.
There is nothing Latin America can learn from the USA with regards to race relations.

1 - Slavery wasn't important in Hispanic America as it was in Anglo America or Luso America. It certainly wasn't even near as brutal.

2 - Slavery was technically illegal in Hispanic America and there was a big taboo about it.

3 - Slavery was abolished in all of Hispanic America when everybody became independent, unlike the case of USA where it was subject of a Civil War or Brazil.

Basically, a complete different issue. And in the case of my country, most Black people here descends from Blacks from the Anglo Caribbean and USA, they were never "slaves" here so they can't accuse us of enslaving their ancestors.

The Caste system wasn't a legal institution, it was just Spanish autism. The only time they did some kind of racial segregation law was the one that literally separated Spain born people and everybody else.

We basically don't care. It is in the past.

It is laughable how niggers pull that crap out in the U.S.