Why were French kids so into Maoism during the 60s?

Also for some reason all Maoists turned into ultra-liberal free market globalists in middle age. Every time.

How come all the hard lefties these days are plain old Marxist Leninists then?

You only hear about Maoism in the third world these days

I think this is the answer. France also had a long anticolonial history due to the wars in Algeria and Indochina in the 50s.

Did Maoist movements also exist in Portugal and the UK?

But why Maoism and not normal Marxism?

If the left gets edgier can we harness this again?

Starting in 1960 Mao wanted to distance himself from the USSR and vice versa. This was only a few years after Kruschev's "secret speech" which made Stalin's purges both a) public knowledge and b) against communist party policy. For communists in the West who had supported Stalin at the time, Kruschev's speech was a stick in their spokes. Many of them thought it was just capitalist propaganda. But by '68 it was pretty well decided Stalin was a right prick and if you wanted to be a communist you needed a new father-figure (as all communist movements need). Mao is just replacement-Stalin. The cycle happened all over again after the Cultural Revolution when western communists started jerking off Chavez

>jerking off to Chavez

And today Venezuela has unironic forced labor farms. Pretty hysterical watching commies once again suffer through shortages, hyper inflation and starvation.

Try telling the American college commies to go help their comrades in Venezuela lol

>He actually believes the CCP ever really believed in third-worldism and internationalism

KEK

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

A bit part of it is urbanization. Maoism was a peasant or countryside philosophy.

Im not sure if what you say about them being Marxist leninists is exactly true either but I don't know what the current trends are.

>westerners agitated to make their countries less powerful

why are white people so stupid?

Pathological altruism and a belief that their racial universalism is reciprocated by hyper-ethnocentric groups like arabs and chinese.

Chinese never believed in universalism, one of the reasons for the mistrust that led to the sino-soviet split was the idea that whites were always imperialists and thus Stalin & co couldn't be trusted.

Praise Buddha, Confucius, Fried Rice, Arthur Chu and Fu Man Chu.

>Praise Buddha, Confucius, Fried Rice, Arthur Chu and Fu Man Chu.

Do you realize how much these stereotypes hurt, as an Asian American male?

>hurt
fuck off to your campus safe space

If the Marxists infiltrated academia in the 60s then why was that the decade the left decided to ditch class and material analysis for postcolonial identity politics?

me so solly

SU de-jewified itself in late 40s/early 50s and coincidentally classical MLism and the SU lost a lot of its Jewish-American support in the process.

Morals and ethics.

>Normal Marxism
No such thing. Anyway Maosm and Trotskyism took root in the West specifically because they were anti Stalinist and anti colonialist.

Careful what you wish for, bruv. Maoism generally involves a bit of crazy. Ideology for kids wanting to fuck shit up usually does.

See:
Now, regarding Trotskyism. The idea of Trotsky as a foil to Stalin's authoritarianism is just a cheap rhetorical trick. Trotsky would have been far, far worse as premier of the SU than Stalin. Stalin was at least a pragmatist in some ways, Trotsky wanted constant and unceasing world revolution.

>no such thing
what about pre-bolshevik orthodox marxism

You remember reading the story about the UK guy who kept women locked up in his house? They started as a maoist cell in the 60s.
The guy was really off the deep end, the idea for his grouplet was that china was gonna invade the UK any day now and therefore it was his duty as a maoist to pave the way for them.

Born to die
Class is a fuck
Kill em all 1917
I am diamat
73736389263 dead kulaks

He was a shit skin wasn't he?

Just a meme, the fact Mao was one of the biggest oppressors of their time wasn't important, they just wanted notoriety, kind of like clickbaity bullshit today.

The Vietnam war and France's ex-colonies in IndoChina might have played a role. Stalin was history, Mao was contemporary.

I'm not denying Trotsky's authoritarianism. His universalizing ideals of constant world revolution are appealing to young idealogues.

It's not as if brown people are the only ones who can go crazy. Posada ended up with white european followers, and even if they didn't get behind the aliens thing they did get behind nuclear war being the bringer of communism.

That just means hardcore internationalism. Had the Soviet Union focused more on inculcating revolution abroad, the socialist bloc would have been far stronger versus capital.

That's all well and fine, but say your cell decides being diamat is a revisionist line of reasoning and decides to self criticize you into oblivion. The Japanese Red Army ended up committing suicide by self-criticism.

The left is so weak I'd take shitty edgy radicalism over no radicalism.

It's necessary to have some people who speak loud enough, to account for the billions who have no voice.

Maoism was the contemporaneous vanguard at the time.

Also it empowerd the young over the old (a horrible idea of course), which held appeal to french youth, Black Panthers (USA), etc. Maoism basically had the good fortune to pop at about the same time that "youth culture" in general (yes, even the capitalist forms such as American pop music) was beginning to pop in the mass media.

idk about you but I prefer living
like when I gotta grab a pint with political buddies I know I can speak my stance without getting offed. The only time I ever had a problem was when I spoke badly of maoism and the local hoxhaist party leader stared daggers at me.
She still remembers me. She still stares those daggers. I still check off her name on the ballot, though. As a joke.

I wish I had political buddies I could grab a pint with. Most everyone I know is apolitical or reactionary

Are you literally antifa faggots

He was a filthy shit skin obsessed with white women.

How was he even allowed to stay in the UK? Shit skin visa for shit skin leftists? I shit on India.

No it wouldn't have. You couldn't have maintained a united front because the alliance would have been too diverse. Plus you're talking about formenting conflict in so many different parts of the world it may have invited another type of world war, this time with everyone against the Soviet Union.

Back to Veeky Forums anyway.

>I shit on India.

So do Indians.

Chances are you've got some franchise out wherever you are looking to have a pint.
Since you're probably in a city of secondary importance, hit up the IWW. It's shit to do in a big city where lots of choices means that the only ones who join the IWW are straight up LARPers, but in mid sized cities out in the midwest and such they're usually the only ones out there, which means you meet a decent cross section of left wing political ideas, who are surprisingly fine with sharing a union.
I mean, you'll find at most 20 people, but hey that's 20 people you can drink and shoot political bants with. The only thing it'll cost you is like 5-10 bucks in monthly union dues and sometimes having to sit through boring meetings.

I am a faggot, but I'm not antifa I'm an ML (although I support their actions).

>the local hoxhaist party leader
>hoxhaist

You are memeing

I went to one of those demo's, so I guess the answer is yes. Is there anything more you want to know?

I'd roll my tanks through her Tianamen Square if you get my drift.

Than you are a massive faggots and should kill yourself immediately.

That's just bunkers

So you dont actually have enough people behind you to organise anything resembling chapters organised after forgotten banana ideologys with whom you could argue while having a pint.
Hell, id rather become a salafi then turning to you saddos.

That's Pandorya, qt German youtuber.

I wish I was.
Now, granted, they might not be hoxhaist anymore, but they were less than a decade ago, and I don't care to ask whether they are now.

Unfortunately I currently attend college in a Mid-Atlantic suburban shithole, but I will certainly take your advice after I graduate and move to a city

Well, sorry you think that, I guess.

In any given college there's at least one prof who lists marx among their research interests.
Take their class, suck up, and see who else sucks up. You've now got the makings of a capital reading group.

Likewise yeah. All my friends are liberals

This is good advice.

And another idiot generation of autistic marxists is born

it's all so tiresome

Again, it depends on locality and what sort of politics one is willing to surround themselves with.

>A decade ago
Old boomers destined to die before any of their revolutions may come to pass?
I sometimes see grey haired commiszombies trying to get attention at their weekly mondaydemonstration in the inner city.
Slowly their numbers are getting thinner.

That pic is retarded. Socialism isn't about treating the working class as a group of infallible angels, but about devolving control of the economy from private hands to public ownership.

More importantly, Trump supporters aren't "the proletariat". Trump is a capitalist supported by much of the bourgeoisie. Some Trump voters are workers, but that's just because the alternative was a neoliberal ghoul who didn't even pretend to care about the working class.

Mh sure. I might find an "ironguardist-anarcho strasserite" if I search long enough.

Yeah, that about sums them up. But still, she creeps me the fuck out, old people got a lot of time to work on their death stares and it really shows.

Ideological zombies are always creepy.

>Marxism scares me but I can't formulate the words why

I don't get along with anyone because I'm a market socialist and I think degeneracy should be tolerated but not celebrated.

Esoteric Techno-Fascism is apparently a community instead of a stupid FB meme page.
I guess I suggest you start there and network

bruh that's called being a normie

That's how 70% of the left thinks friendo, we're just less vocal

Fuck it, you and that cancerous tumor deserve one another.

Onward to the next revolution immediately followed by the inevitable shortages, nepotism, embezzlement and ensuing social cataclysm and starvation.

It's happened every time before. Go for it.

Fly you stupid little bird.

Esoteric Techno fascism sounds way more plausible then that pelicular strain of isolationist dictatorship from the balkans getting discussed lively.
Hell, dont your digits proove me right?

is market socialism just social democracy or is it mutualism or something else

But normies think markets and socialism are incompatible because markets mean capitalism and socialism means command economy.

>market socialist
most activist grouplets will take you in, insofar as they're more concerned with having heads for demos and phone zaps than your particular politics.
Anything more than that in relation to your particular views on "degeneracy", well, there's some good friends of mine in the community, and it's only after knowing them a while that I got to knowing how serious they take their eastern orthodoxy. Y'know, you know what one should bring up in polite conversation and what one shouldn't.

Why aren't you in Venezuela right now helping your comrades in a forced labor farm?

>he thinks Bernard Sanders, noted social democrat, is a Marxist
>he thinks starvation and corruption do not occur on a massive scale under capitalism

nice memes you got there classcuck

It's socialism with market mechanisms and freedom for regulating the economy, setting prices, and balancing supply and demand.

Social democracy is just a capitalist welfare state. It's closer to mutualism than social democracy.

Fly. Fly you stupid bird.

This time it will really work won't it?

yes

Venezuela needs comrades now! Don't juat read about socialism see it first hand and up close.

On a forced labor farm.

I mean, you're not wrong. I still can't wrap my head around their existence. most of the folks I've met are the same, they don't want nothing to do with them and know just as little as I.
Again, I don't associate with them, idk how they go about drinking, after the may day demo we just happened to be near each others tables in a bar.

And tell me oh wise one, what will make this time different from all the others?

Will we finally, dare I say it, really try it THIS time?

Because there's no oil money to pay me with.

Pay? Pay?!?!

That's capitalism black magic user. You will be provided with room and board in a true socialist style working dormitory.

Essentials like razors and buttons will be doled out when available. Expect shortages.

The difference is that this time all the white bois are gonna have their sugar walls turned out

Chairman Mao wants YOU to go to work in Venezuela!

once again another alright thread gets ruined when the unfunny whiners from /pol/ show up

once again the commies get their fantasy bubble popped easily and cry about it

Maybe you can find redemption in Venezuela desu

Even folks in venezuala are paid wages, bruv.

im not the guy youve been jerking off with faggot. are you really just gonna post the same thing over and over again?

>he thinks the forced farm workers get paid

Nigga Venezuela collapsed, like every previous socialist state before it.

They are being forced to work and paid by not starving that day.

Why not? Commies have been on repeat for decades now

They haven't had anything new to say since the 60's

i dont care about your opinions m8, you could at least TRY to be funny

It has not collapsed yet, though it probably will. part of the reason it will collapse is, as you may have guessed it, the inability to provide wages for labour worked. Or, as we're increasingly seeing with its monetary crisis, the inability of wages present to reflect the cost of goods.

>Trotskyism would've made the Socialist bloc stronger
Are you retarded? It would be a fun little experiment until the Union would go up against the Germans and be btfo'd because it wouldn't even have had a tenth of the production capacities of the Stalinist SU. Mind you, I don't like stalinism one bit myself, but I recognize that without Stalin, I'd be speaking German today.

are you really suggesting that food shortages, nepotism, embezzlement, and starvation do not exist under capitalism?

We won't be retarded and try to do a "mix of socialism and capitalism".