>human vivisection without anesthesia >appendages and organs cut off and reattached in different places, again without anesthesia >infection of patients with syphilis, gonorrhoea, bubonic plague, cholera, anthrax, and tularemia under the pretense of giving them vaccinations >intentionally inducing frostbite to study effects >testing flamethrowers and other weapons on defenseless prisoners
And then there's this account that sums up the conditions pretty well:
>One of the former researchers I located told me that one day he had a human experiment scheduled, but there was still time to kill. So he and another unit member took the keys to the cells and opened one that housed a Chinese woman. One of the unit members raped her; the other member took the keys and opened another cell. There was a Chinese woman in there who had been used in a frostbite experiment. She had several fingers missing and her bones were black, with gangrene set in. He was about to rape her anyway, then he saw that her sex organ was festering, with pus oozing to the surface. He gave up the idea, left and locked the door, then later went on to his experimental work.
We learned a lot from those experiments though. Progress through terror I guess.
Jonathan Long
And yet modern medicine came from them. If they didn't we would be stuck in the past so don't be quick to judge them as "evil". They wanted to better humanity.
Bentley Perez
The gooks had a deep hatred for the Chinese people. They were even indoctrinating children to hate the Chinese also.
Joseph Hill
>They wanted to better humanity.
>One of the former researchers I located told me that one day he had a human experiment scheduled, but there was still time to kill. So he and another unit member took the keys to the cells and opened one that housed a Chinese woman. One of the unit members raped her; the other member took the keys and opened another cell. There was a Chinese woman in there who had been used in a frostbite experiment. She had several fingers missing and her bones were black, with gangrene set in. He was about to rape her anyway, then he saw that her sex organ was festering, with pus oozing to the surface. He gave up the idea, left and locked the door, then later went on to his experimental work.
Most of what they did was completely unnecessary and could only be explained in terms of sadism. Just because there were some useful results doesn't mean everything they did was required for scientific progress.
Jackson Turner
We actually didn't learn anything useful. Almost all their data was garbage, and what wasn't (or maybe it was? We have no idea) was locked away into some secret government vault and still hasn't been declassified. The average person certainly hasn't gotten anything out of it.
Cooper Collins
Hannah Arendt's philosophy on the matters of why the Nazis and Japanese were able to undertake such vile acts towards fellow humans states that by bureaucratising and dehumanising the subjects as mere tasks or animals, allowed the perpetrators to commit crimes without a second thought.
This banality of evil isn't a form of sadism or mental illness but a sign that the wholesale murder of humans, sanctioned by a government, with functioning bureaucracy and a supposed purpose, allows a human to forget that they are taking a human life in the most ghastly of circumstances and instead are performing a task or as the Nazis said "just their job".
Christopher Reyes
This.
Julian Johnson
This:
Evan Gray
Isn't most of the data about the effects of hypothermia from them?
Daniel Ramirez
Just a myth. Hypothermia is a very old problem and was already very well understood by the 1930's and 40's when they conducted their """""experiments."""""
Aaron Ward
What's wrong with using prisoners for SCIENCE? Why don't we do that now?
Lincoln Morales
That was Mengele's experiments.
The Nazis conducted actual scientific experiments to document in detail how people die, but the Japs were just cruel fags who tortured people while dressed up in "mad scientist" cosplay outfits.
Nathaniel Miller
What? Nazi experiments were even more useless than the Japs.
Mengele, since you mention him, made such wonderful contributions to science as determining whether or not dying one twin's eyes blue will turn the other twins' eyes blue as well (it didn't,) whether or not Russians have in innate resistance to the cold weather (they don't,) and how much seawater someone has to drink before they die. Even seemingly valid experiments like those related to hypothermia are useless because of poor controls and bad reporting. The temperature prisoners were exposed to were not consistently controlled or even reported; some were clothed and some were not, but again this wasn't consistently controlled or even reported; and starving concentration camp prisoners make terrible models for anatomical research anyway. The purpose of it all was really just torture, and perhaps to determine the superiority of the aryan race.
Eli King
What is the source for the exaggerated horror stories about it though? I keep trying to find it and it leads me nowhere. Some of the "photographic evidence" seems to be fake as well. Mengele's stuff is more properly documented.
Noah Sanchez
>How did these "researchers" get so ridiculously sadistic and evil?
That's just Japanese people in general
>Hey, this guy is literally disintegrating at the molecular level, shouldn't we put him out of his misery? >Nah, let's put a camera up his ass and watch him melt from the inside!
Elijah Bailey
I think there's something in Japanese culture that lets them do unthinkably fucked up stuff. There's a lot of kidnap and murder cases in Japan that are so exceedingly violent.
Jack Thompson
Doctors are required to do whatever they can to try to save the person. There was a slim chance that he could survive.
Daniel Cooper
Wait is Unit 731 not the Nazi one?
Ian Smith
This
Carson Lee
i mean once he's dead he's dead might as well try
Elijah Torres
I'm sure there are way more of those cases from the West.
Daniel Roberts
>whether or not Russians have in innate resistance to the cold weather (they don't,) wut
Joseph Kelly
Ouchi
Nolan Sanders
kek
Evan Clark
Not with the medical science of 1999 there wasn't
Jack Evans
Is this bait?
Juan Mitchell
This is nothing compared to what invading armies did prior to the last century, I don't understand why people focus on this when men like Tamerlame or Murad II were far more brutal, and for brutality's sake as opposed to scientific interest.
Adrian Cook
probably all the repression boiling over if i had to guess
Nathan Morales
They tried to use his sister’s stem cells to restore his ability to generate blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets.
Jace Morgan
The Americans did the same thing when that manhattan project researcher fucked up and lethally irradiated himself.
Noah Murphy
Because the west is bigger you dink.
Blake Baker
Well, I don't know about any of those Japanese cases you're talking about other than the murder of Junko Furuta (which there are a lot of cases in the West that are comparable to).
Joseph Thompson
>which there are a lot of cases in the West that are comparable to Because the west is bigger.
Zachary Allen
I used to think the same thing.
But consider one thing: Japan, as a nation, is also known for their impressively low crime rates and high expectations they set for their people. Their public education system, infrastructure, healthcare, and overall standards of living are the envies of the world, to an extent.
So whenever a Jap goes nuts and decides to commit a serious and bizarre premeditated murder, the entire world will hear about it. It just sticks out like a sore thumb because the Japanese people are not really known to be murderous or nutty, at least from a statistical standpoint. Tokyo is an incredibly safe city, despite its unprecedented population density. It's incredible that the city is as safe as it is. Hell, it's impressive that Japan, as a whole, is safe as it is.
All of these sick and violent murders from Japan are incredibly specific in nature. They are directly tied to the psychology of the perpetrators and the kinds of lives they lead. That is why there is always a story to these murders. It's not like the sporadic and frequent lower-class violence you see from american inner cities or Latin American slums.
Jack Stewart
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Gavin Baker
Try to also remember that various institutions of medicine and education her in the US participated in the cold-war secret tests against unknowing subjects. Often- subjects would be injected with things like liquid plutonium, and then their health would be tracked- all without the subject's knowledge.
Nathaniel Scott
This is not Hiroshi Ouchi
Isaiah Scott
This.
Plus they were chinese anyway, basically one set above livestock
Julian Bennett
Like the old saying goes
If you see shit in a toilet (a country like India, Syria, Turkey, etc), you wouldn't be surprised. That's where it belongs.
But if you see it on the kitchen counter (USA, France, Australia, Japan), then you know something's wrong.
Isaac Martinez
Before Nuremberg "following orders" was a legitimate defense in assigning (or rather dodging) responsibility for war crimes.
So it really wasn't the Nazis being dicks - that was a legit defense as far as they knew, just that it was turned on its head and eradicated by the Nuremberg court.
Ethan Flores
It's not whether it's legitimate or not, it's more the psychology of how you can go along with such terrible acts and not see such a huge problem with it.
William Harris
Right, but as it was a legitimate legal defense, claiming it does not imply that was what they actually thought of the acts they had committed - just that they (in vain) thought it was what they had to claim to be acquitted.
Oliver Russell
Yes but also it was a mentality.
Josiah Powell
Possibly, sure, but the (German accent) "I was only following orders!" retort is usually paraded as an example of the banality of evil, while it was merely a legal defense that they thought would work.
The banality of their crimes comes across in other facets, to be sure, but I feel this is a misrepresented example.
Thomas Wright
But it is an example of the banality. They have no remorse, nor did many attempt to deny what they had done or hide it.
Michael Torres
>allows a human to forget that they are taking a human life >Human lives are special Spook??
Dominic Perry
Please give one piece of valuable information that was derived from these experiments. One thing we learned. One thing we didn't know before.
I'll wait.
Jacob Perry
>her sex organ was festering
i know you're joking, but i wouldn't even let a cow live like that
can you believe there was a human being sitting in the corner of a cold box with an oozing fungal cunt, like some kind of discarded banana peel?
all isolated and whatnot
how can a brain even process that life
how can i even imagine that?
there is no god i'm done with the internet today
Matthew Hall
They were paid, that's how. Everyone has a price, especially if it's tied into a larger struggle about their race.
There's a reason why Japan only surrendered when faced with nuclear weapons, their government knew they couldn't pay the price (in terms of money, food, shelter) to fight them.
Michael Richardson
Unit 731 = Japs
Daniel Reyes
>evil You're the 'newton wasted his life' guy aren't you, it was all for an idea of the greater idea
Henry Lee
What they did was evil, however I can't deny that because of them, as well as the Nazis and Russians, we made significant progress in the fields of biology. (And that's not to say the USA or UK probably had their own experiments done)
We owe them no thanks, but rather we owe them our progress in medicine, even if you don't like what they did.
Blake Fisher
>Controversy has also risen from the use of results of biological warfare testing done by the Imperial Japanese Army's Unit 731.[35] The results from Unit 731 were kept classified by the United States until the majority of doctors involved were given pardons.[36] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
Camden Roberts
Holy shit the retardation
Ethan Adams
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The best thing to do now is to remove yourself from the gene pool.
Mason Morgan
>Nazi experiments were even more useless than the Japs. some scientific contributions were made possible by the steady stream of tissue the nazis provided to german anatomical institutes though
Read Adorno m8. We're fascinated by 20th century war crimes not because they're some sort of barbarism (we have plenty of that since the start of recorded history) but because they're inextricably linked to the project of modernity itself, the fact post-enlightenment society has such an innate potential for "rational decisions" resulting in the death and suffering of millions is fascinating.
Jaxson Powell
>We actually didn't learn anything useful. >and what wasn't (or maybe it was? We have no idea) was locked away into some secret government vault
You just contradicted yourself.
>we didn't learn anything useful! >actually what was useful was locked away!
Henry Jones
>and how much seawater someone has to drink before they die.
That's not actually useless... If you are stranded at sea or sea water is all that is available then knowing the limits to what one can drink and not suffer side effects or even death would be quite useful.
Nathaniel Cooper
>of why the Nazis and Japanese were able to undertake such vile acts towards fellow humans
Sadistic torture is not strictly a Nazi or Japanese thing.
Gavin Bailey
but those limits were already known.
You should drink no sea water at all.
Lincoln Wood
>Numerous theorists and clinicians introduced sadistic personality disorder to the DSM in 1987 and it was placed in the DSM-III-R as a way to facilitate further systematic clinical study and research. It was proposed to be included because of adults who possessed sadistic personality traits but were not being labeled, even though their victims were being labeled with a self-defeating personality disorder.[11] Theorists like Theodore Millon wanted to generate further study on SPD, and so proposed it to the DSM-IV Personality Disorder Work Group, who rejected it.[6] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder
Isaiah Sanders
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Cooper Smith
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Caleb Moore
But their crime rate is so low and they're so clean
Jordan Bennett
This picture is not of Hisashi Ouchi, he never lost a leg.
Aiden Williams
Highly concentrated Japanese autism + manlet syndrome
Xavier Smith
The US government report on the aftermath of the "information" they recieved in exchange for granting the "scientists" immunity was determined to be useless. They actually learned way more from Mengele.
Kayden Hernandez
There was no significant medical gain from Unit 731's experiments. Believe it or not, but that shit had already been done before
The Japs were just searching for a way to kill people faster
Ian Powell
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Brody Gray
Thats not contradictory you fuck. Reading comprehension is something you lack more than the gooks lacked morals apparently. Lets break it down into some English 101:
>we meaning the common man in any society, the populace base that user identifies as >the other entity is a government, a select and small sub populace that holds special sway and power over the aformentioned we >information contained by the government was never de-classified (thus never deseminated) to the populace we >information unshared is unhelpfull, as no growth can be created if never learned >thus none of the information, recovered or otherwise is at all useful, because none of it has been taught or learned due to its sequestering.
Cooper Hughes
Except that isn't true as the data held by the government would go on to Military R&D and would then eventually find its way into the populace after its been refined.
It finds its way down eventually, just in a more roundabout way than the garbage information.