Did ancient people have nine-to-five jobs?

Did ancient people have nine-to-five jobs?

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More like five-to-nine.

Soldiers were full-time but for everyone else it was a matter of "work as long as you like / have to to make ends meet".

What kind of jobs would be done in the dark of night?

Hunter gatherers "worked" about 20 hours per week

Feudal era peasants worked slightly less than today

might be the weed but this blows my mind that nine-to-five and five-to-nine aren't the same length. wait, what if they worked 5pm to 9am?

More like 4AM to 11PM

>slightly less

Nigger they worked FAR less. Yes they worked hard at harvest time and during planting season, but the rest of the year they obviously worked only until it got dark, and they had HALF THE YEAR off in paid holy days and feast days.

(citation needed)

This depends on what time period and area you're from.

Hoplites, like OP's pic, were just the citizen's of a city. During the day and especially during the winter they had normal trades and occupations like everyone else. But when it came time to defend the city or when campaign season came, they would don their armor and go to war as soldiers. It wasn't a full-time thing.

Roman legionnaires, on the other hand, were full-time soldiers. And you were for something like 25 or 30 years before you could retire.

Many of the footsoldiers of Asian and Middle Eastern nations were simply peasants/serfs that were quickly gathered up and given arms.

In general, throughout most of history, nations have relied on conscription based armies for their defense. Professional armies are a relatively new concept, with Britain pioneering the way for them in modern times. Yes, Ancient Sparta also had one of the first "professional" armies. And yes, knights were also professional, but I'm talking about armies in general and not just elite corps within them.

Yeah, pretty much. If you were a farmer you did farming type shit, and if you've ever lived on a farm you know that's back breaking work. If you were a craftsman you probably opened up shop in the morning and closed in the evening, or you traveled from village to village selling your services. If you were aristocracy you lounged around eating grapes and fucking your manservant all day.

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And by citizens of a city, I mean full citizens, not slaves or residents without citizen rights. So this meant that your average city state in like 5th century BC Greece had a few hundred to a few thousand soldiers at their disposal.

Many probably had some form of volunteer guards in place, but the vast majority of hoplites were simply citizens that were expected to go to war when needed. They provided their own equipment most of the time so they were reasonably wealthy.

>written by a literal communist

1. Where is your proof that she's a communist?
2. So what if she is?
3. Can you dispute what she says?

You don't have to be a Marxist to analyse capitalism and pre-capitalist societies

Byzantine had professional armies through out the entire history.

one of their problems that led to collapse was the plagues. they never had enough spare male population to field a large professional army.

>One of capitalism's most durable myths is that it has reduced human toil.

First fucking sentence and her lack of impartiality is clear

>1. Where is your proof that she's a communist?
>Female professor of Sociology

>2. So what if she is?
So nothing she writes is trustworthy, because she has a political axe to grind. Would you trust the work of a neonazi?

>3. Can you dispute what she says?

"She is a communist."

As I said, it depends heavily on what era and nation we're talking about. The Byzantine Empire was a continuation of the Roman Empire and so yes, they kept the concept of professional, full-time legions. This is a concept that most other nations didn't have at the time.

She cites her sources. You're the one making instant assumptions. Programmed to see any analysis of capitalism as impartial.

>>Female professor of Sociology
Funny
>So nothing she writes is trustworthy, because she has a political axe to grind. Would you trust the work of a neonazi?
Everyone has a political axe to grind. If a neonazi adequately referenced their sources then sure.
>"She is a communist."
Not an argument.

>If a neonazi adequately referenced their sources then sure.

I see neonazis doing this from time to time and Veeky Forums simply says all of said sources are trash simply by virtue of being used by a neonazi. So I'm going to do the same here and tell you to go fuck yourself. I hate this board.

>If a neonazi adequately referenced their sources then sure.

BULLSHIT. You, sir, are a lying piece of shit.

Her sources are probably just as entrenched in an agenda as she is. She stinks of shit and so do you

Why are you so reluctant to believe that our ancestors worked less?

It's not only communists that dislike capitalism you know. Distributists, traditionalists, monarchists etc.

lmao why do people melt down when you suggest people before the industrial revolution didn't work 80 hours a week? are people so invested in the 40 hour work week and Whiggish history that they are incapable of processing anything that suggests that pre industrial people didn't bust their humps 50 hours a week the way we do for food and rent?

lmao left of center redditors are a joke

Ted K already debunked this, and he legitimately did have a political axe to grind. The "labor" does not qualify the massive amount of labor necessary to make their foodstuffs palatable, among other things.

I'm reluctant to trust that person's work is honest

>redditspacing

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>Juliet Schor (born 1955) is Professor of sociology at Boston College.[1] She has studied trends in working time, consumerism, the relationship between work and family, women's issues and Economic inequality.
>sociology major
>economic inequality
Lets dig deeper
>The Center for Popular Economics (CPE) is an American non-profit collective of progressive economists.

>The founding members of the center are Samuel Bowles, Juliet Schor, Diane Flaherty, David Kotz, and Tom Riddell. Advisory committee members include Howard Zinn and Barbra Ehrenreich. The center is based in Amherst, Massachusetts.

>In 2012, CPE produced a resource booklet titled "Economics for the 99%".[2]

Ah good old "A People's History of the United States" Howard Zinn

>Zinn has described himself as "something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist."

Also, guess how many members of the CPE are coincidentally Jewish

>Ted K
Where? I've read his manifesto, just a load of unsourced rambling.

None of that disproves anything she says.
>Also, guess how many members of the CPE are coincidentally Jewish
Irrelevant.

>Also, guess how many members of the CPE are coincidentally Jewish

About 6,000,000%

'reddit spacing' has been on Veeky Forums basically as long as Veeky Forums has existed

go look at some early Veeky Forums screencaps if you (clearly) weren't there yourself.

Not an argument.