ITT: wtf is going on-tier conflicts

>fuck my shit into pieces

Fuck the 25 Year Rule this is literally a JUST war, I tried to stop trying to understand this.

I honestly have no idea what the fuck is going on in Syria. Can I get a rundown? (no bog posting pls I'm genuinely curious)

>I am literally blind and cannot see the last post of the thread: the post

The basic idea is that the government sucks, so there's several factions fighting for control, all of which suck just as much as the government.

What exactly do the Syrian rebels and Rojava want? I mean I get they want to over throw the government but what do they offer that the current regime doesn't?

Also is each faction hostile towards each other?

This looks like something straight from Advance Wars kek

looks like they just grasped the chance for creating a kurdish state

No one really cares about Israel that much. We support them but they win wars due to being the chosen people and having Him on their side, not the support they receive from the West. The US is cucking them if anything, they buy pretty much all their shit from us.

I still think the 30 years war is still a bigger clusterfuck, just because it went on for so fucking long and so many more people died. But Syria is really really close.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

Rebels want a less secular state and US supports them because this way Russia will lose its last bases, ending their possibilities to power project in Mediterranean and at the same time install a more loyal govt to pump oil from.

Rojava are the second close to good guys (Assad govt being the first ones) because they're fighting for building an independent Kurd state.

Do you think Kurdistan will be a reality? They certainly deserve it if we're putting memes aside.

from my very basic understanding that could be wrong and flawed:

>Arab (((spring))) happens
>Syrians join the wave
>Syrian Army shoots the protesters [citation needed]
>protesting intensifies
>turns into a revolt
>other arab nations support the revolt against the tyranical governemnt
>iran wants to 'protect' their econo- i mean the alawite sect that no one even knew they existed before
>russia wants to protect their trade routes or something
>murrica getting that sweet war $$$ by supporting the rebels
>people that had their land stolen from them (kurds) took the chance to reform their nation
>turkey hates kurds for some reason so they support the rebels to bumfuck the kurds while hiding behind 'muh humanity'
>rebels take a religious stand and start forming a jewish islamic caliphate with the help of israel (who's an enemy of syria and want to take over their land or something)
>some fuckwad throws chemical barrels at civilians but no one has any idea who did it as literally every member of this clusterfuck claims innocence
>murrica gets more sweet war $$$ to support their collapsing petro-dosh while hiding behind 'muh chilren'
>trump-sama betrays the murricans and his 'America First!' slogan and throws some missiles at an empty field
>putin gets cold war PTSD flashbacks and warns murica from doing it again
>murica forgets about the whole thing and heads for north korea for no reason at all
>8 years later and no one has a clue on what the fuck is going on or if the syrian army really did shoot the protesters.

>from my very basic understanding
>Arab (((spring))) happens
stopped reading

>reality
No
>deserve it
Yes, very much so

Unfortunately there is really no way for it to come about, I did a research paper on Kurdistan's feasibility and it's pretty low.
It's a shame because it could actually be a nice country, especially compared to Syria and Iraq.

Rojava is multi-ethnic though.

>What exactly do the Syrian rebels and Rojava want?

The Syrian Government wants to keep the country together and hold onto power.

The Syrian Rebels are pro-West (American - Israeli puppets) but also have lots of Islamists and other competing factions among them.

The Kurds want an independent state (and will eventually get it).

ISIL are retards who should be exterminated.

Middle-of-the-road Arabs (i.e. most of the people) just don’t want to get killed by any side and are running off to Europe for the sweet welfare deals.

Israel gleefully rubs its hands, as its plan to pitch the Muslim world into a never ending civil war is going swimmingly and that takes the heat off the Jews (Palestinians? Who are they again?...)

The Global Military-Industrial Complex gleefully rubs it hands, as it's making fuck loads of money.

The American People meanwhile scratch their heads, wondering who the fuck is who and why are we paying for all this shit?!

there's no evidence Israel has ever aided ISIS

try to find one legit source that isn't presstv.

or go to bed ahmed

>Israel gleefully rubs its hands, as its plan to pitch the Muslim world into a never ending civil war is going swimmingly and that takes the heat off the Jews (Palestinians? Who are they again?...)
lmao, this triggered burgerstinian

>oh noez the world won't remember muh nakba! how will we afford cheeseburgers! this is another nakba!

You are like little babies. Nothing will ever rival the sheer clusterfuck and JUST levels of the Russian Civil War. I had to keep some factions hidden because otherwise it literally wouldn't fit in the screenshot, but what the fuck even is this?

Why did microstates within microstates declare independence? Why are feudal levies a thing again? Whose side are the Greens on? Why is Japan invading? How did that Albanian who ruled Turkey become a rebel leader in Kazakhstan? Why is there a guy trying to recreate the Mongol Empire? Why are the Communists running guns and ammo to the Turks who they were literally just at war with? Why are the Communists invading Poland? How the fuck did the Czechs get mixed in there? SINCE WHEN IS KARELIA ITS OWN FUCKING COUNTRY?

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I'll try as best I can
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>Ba'athist party establishes itself in the young country of Syria and immediately announces a State of Emergency in 1963
>the SOE has yet to been formally ended, giving the ruling president a large amount of executive power
>part of a larger nationalist movement making rounds in the Arab world with the ultimate goal of Pan-Arabism, secularism and socialism
>several intra-party coups happen until Hafez Al-Assad, a strident anti-imperialist and general finally overthrows and imprisons acting president and Soviet ally Salah Jadid
>Hafez rules, becoming more popular as a leader even after the Ba'ath movement is compromised outside of Syria
>several members of the Muslim Brotherhood's Syrian branch are detained as political prisoners
>dies in 2000 considered the hero to Syria's Arabs despite several challenges surrounding Israel and the Lebanese Civil War
>his oldest surviving son Bashar succeeds
>Bashar inherits a one-party state that made huge economic and infrastructural developments, no more hawkish factions within his own party and moderate popularity with the wider populace
>on the flip side, he also inherited longstanding disputes with Israel over the Golan Heights, several threats from Kurdish Independence factions some of which were militarist, a border with Iraq which was a nation about to tear itself apart and all of this was happening in a time when a particularly conservative and hard line-Sectarian branch of Salafist thought (Wahhabism) was growing in popularity with Sunni Arabs and the economies of the world were continuing the long march towards free-markets and globalization
>shortly after his "election" he released several M. Bro-hood prisoners in hope of healing relations between the Syrian state and their organization and reaffirms his relationship with Hezbollah (anti-Israel Lebanese faction with some Ba'ath elements like relative-secularism) and Iran (Syria remains Iran's only true ally in the Middle East)

Israelis were provided targeting coordinate and maps showing areas where the Iraqi government and military R&D were performing research on advancing their nuclear and ballistic weapons programs by Iranian agents. Israel bombed several of those targets successfully but to this day both sides deny involvement or working together against Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

Burma: when ALL of your minorities & political affiliations hate you.

A Rundown of Burma's enemies. Beginning with the Separatists.
>Karen (an ethnic minority)
>Karenni (a sub-ethnic minority of the Karen)
>Northern Shan (another ethnic minority)
>Southern Shan (Also Shan, but south, who disagreed with theor Northern bros when the Northern Shan rebels surrendered a bit for a short while)
>Mon (ethnic minority)
>Ta'ang (ethnic minority)
>Rohingya (ethnic minority, Muslim one).
>Wa (ethnic minority)
>Kachin (minority)
>Rakhine (minority, allies of the Kachin)
>Kuki (minority)
>Chin (minority)
>Pa-O (minority)
>Zomi (Minority)

Political groups
>Pro-democracy/Liberalist groups (All Burma Students Democratic Front, Vigorous Burmese Student Warriors, DKBA)
>Communists (Communist Party of Burma, Red Flag Communist Party,

Religious groups
>God's Army (Christian Karens)
>Rohingya Mujahedeen (Muslim Rohingya, split off from the nationalist Rohingya groups.)
>Democratic Karen Buddhist Army (DKBA, Pro-Democracy utilizing Buddhism as a rallying cry).

Wtf groups
>An entire army of Nationalist China's that couldn't link up to the evacuation to Taiwan and fled to Burma following the communist victory in China in 1949. Called the "Lost Army" commanded by General Li Mi, they fought the Communists in Yunnan Province just right across the Burmese border and violated Burmese sovereignty by being a foreign army in Burmese territory. Went "Apocalypse Now" as they funded themselves via drug trade to make up for US/Thai support to continue their struggle. Burma and PRC China drove them out in the 60s in a joint military campaign, but it was mostly the officers who evacuated to Taiwan. The enlisted men deserted and reorganized into drug cartels in Burma, Laos, and Thailand.
>National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Naga separatism who ran on Christian Maoist ideology alongside their Nationalism)

gotta love them african war

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contd.

The Wikipedia rundown doesn't show it but all the anti-government factions weren't fighting in a united front. The Minorities weren't allies with each other, only some were with minorities they are friendly with, but at times they fought other minorities denying them their right to sovereignity. The Democratic and Communist groups frowned upon all separatists since they're basically Burmese. Karen Christianity and Rohingya Islam are oppressed by Buddhist Majority Burma. In addition, some minorities professed either communist or democratic ideologies, though I think one ran on monarchy (chiefdom at least). In addition some minorities wanted federalism while some advocated for complete independence.

In addition not all these groups are active: some surrendered, some compromised with the government. In the late 2000s, the Burmese government granted a wave of autonomous rights to anyone who fucking wanted them and subsequently cooperated with the government while still keeping their own armies. But the problem is for every group that surrendered or stood down, a bunch of radicals from that group emerged calling those who stopped fighting casuals, and began the struggle anew. So it seems Burma has a new rebel group almost every year.

>why did israel tried supporting iran to begin with?
Israel and Iran were best buddies before the 79 revolution.
Probably trying to remove the stigmata left behind and create new bands with the current Iranian government.

But we all know how that turned out in the end.

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>fast-forward to 2011, to the series of civil revolts, protest movements and civil wars rocking the Arab world
>public confidence in the government wavers as Syria's many different factions are looking at diplomatic solutions to their affairs
>this includes the aforementioned Wahhabis, Kurds and sympathizers to the M.Bro-hood, some of which were released to the public by Bashar himself
>year begins with mass protests being organized in Damascus and Aleppo
>other powers in the Middle East begin taking interest in these protests, mainly the monarchies of Saudi-Arabia and Qatar
>if the Ba'athists are deposed, then Saudi-Arabia can have confidence that a Sunni with Salafist sympathies can take power, but more importantly, Iran loses a vital ally to their Arab opponents
>Qatar wishes to begin exporting its oil in-bulk to Europe
>this means building a pipeline going through the Marmara to Europe which would have to be built through Syria
>Russia, a Syrian ally, needs the pipeline blocked for it is the main supplier of petroleum to Europe
>violence erupts in the protests and police are called upon to break up the largest of demonstrations
>a demonstrator is shot and killed, sparking a meteoric escalation in violence
I'm not even going to comment on who fired that shot
>in retaliation, several factions begin inciting armed resistance to the government with large amounts of the population defecting to government opponents
>several officials in the military and their subordinates follow
>the largest of these factions becomes the Free-Syrian Army, the flagship of popular resistance to the government and the main target of aid by the Western Powers
>as government power wanes in the country side, Kurdish Independence fighters from the Syria's north and neighboring Turkey, Iraq and Iran mobilize, seeing an opportunity to anchor an independent state when the government falls
yeah this is going to take one more post

>>An entire army of Nationalist China's that couldn't link up to the evacuation to Taiwan and fled to Burma following the communist victory in China in 1949. Called the "Lost Army" commanded by General Li Mi, they fought the Communists in Yunnan Province just right across the Burmese border and violated Burmese sovereignty by being a foreign army in Burmese territory. Went "Apocalypse Now" as they funded themselves via drug trade to make up for US/Thai support to continue their struggle. Burma and PRC China drove them out in the 60s in a joint military campaign, but it was mostly the officers who evacuated to Taiwan. The enlisted men deserted and reorganized into drug cartels in Burma, Laos, and Thailand.

>tfw the Roach Sultan is currently bombing the shit out of kurds right now in Rojava and Iraq
>tfw endless source of butthurt on leddit and twitter from kurds, gommunists and anarchists
based roaches making sure the turds don't steal too much clay from Syria and Iraq

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>militant Wahhabist group Al-Qaeda calls Muslims around the world to action against the government
>their organization in Syria becomes known as Al-Nusra (roughly, the front)
>while towns, villages and even the cities of Lattakia, Idlib and Aleppo fall to the various belligerents, the differing factions begin to dispute territorial claims
>these escalate to armed conflict between the opponents of the government
>as the fighting in Ukraine comes to a halt, Putin mobilizes sections of the military aid Bashar Al-Assad
>Kurdish fighter groups, notably the YPJ begin to consolidate territorial gains in Syria's northern border with Turkey
I remember Dick Cheney, upon being asked why the west doesn't fund the Kurdish Independence fighters, replied "to aid the Kurds is to threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey, a Russian ally and NATO member state
>Turkey begins sending official aid to Sunni-Arab fighters in the north to stifle the advance of the YPJ as well as to prevent the government forces from making their own gains in the north
>fighting intensifies in the north and Turkey sends forces to Iraq and Rojava
>a particularly radical branch of Al-Nusra under the guidance of Caliph-claimaint Abu-Bakr Al-Baghdadi begin splitting from Al-Qaeda and establishing themselves in as a functioning state in eastern Syrian and north-western Iraq, this being the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
>with Russian intervention, government forces begin a massive counter-attack against the opposition, winning back vast swathes of territory
>alleged war-crimes happen involving the barrel-bombing of civilian buildings and the use of chemical weapons, prompting Western powers to intervene
>these calls to action are denied especially with the election of Donald Trump in the U.S.
>a few months into his presidency and another alleged attack happens to civilians prompting retaliation
>Trump reverses his policy on Syria and airstrikes and government airbase
and here we are

>the largest of these factions becomes the Free-Syrian Army

They're actually the smallest faction and many (the educated ones) have left for Europe or the U.S., leaving only the peasants.

Isn't the current "FSA" basically just nusra and called HTS now?

Atleast the factions in Idlib.

KMT in Burma. Look it up.

It's Far Cry 3 & 4 only real.

It was the largest from 2011-2012, but has been in rapid decline when the counter-attack happened maybe I should have specified that.
FSA and Al-Nusra/Jaysh al-Fateh are separate entities.

It's actually not that complicated.

Bashar al-Assad is part of the old "axis of evil", the leader of an illiberal state who rejects US world domination. Syria is really chummy with Russia and Iran, two sharp thorns in the side of US foreign policy. Another part of this friend group is Hezbollah, a left wing Shia militia in Lebanon that scares the shit out of Israel.

The US has always hated Syria and Russia and Iran and Hezbollah. So do our allies Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. Most Western states have economic connections to those US allies and want to please them Meanwhile, Turkey sees Syria as little more than a potential colony.

In 2011, a revolution broke out against Assad, led by liberals and radical Islamists tired of his illiberal and secular regime. The revolution lost broad support after a couple months, but the Islamists keep fighting, probably on the urging of Saudi and Qatari officials who hope to destroy Shia or secular regimes.

The war reached a stalemate until 2014, when ISIS tore a big hole the border of Iraq and Syria, adding a third party to the conflict who wants to kill everyone.

The radical leftist Kurdish militias are the final party, supported by the US to fight ISIS. They're enemies of Turkey, our ally, but also friendly with Syria and Russia, our enemies.

It began as the biggest.
The thing with the syrian civil war is that unlike most civil wars it really didn't dip into its total manpower as much as you'd expect, so as folks eventually end up in armed groups for some reason or other and others end up dying on the front the numbers for each group other than assad fluctuate considerably

Yeah, the Syrian war is shocking low-level. Feels almost like a medieval conflict in its scope.

Because a giant army of devout Muslims would never wish to create an Islamic state, right? They're incapable of action without the Jews reminding them to breathe.

Yes yes, well done, Pope Julius, well done...

HOWEVER!

>Venetian victory
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

Is Venice history's biggest Jew?

>they
>us
Jacob you're not very good at this

Israel plays 4d juadism chess.

>3.8k dead in accidents/suicides
hmm
anyway "victory for pro-independence movements in XX countries" sounds as if they were some peaceful protesters while in reality these happenings were pretty much typical militaristic uprisings

tfw Far Cry 4 is MORE sane than real life

>what does this mean?

It means that Israel claimed they sent money and supplied to Iran, and Iran claimed that no such thing ever happened.

Thats all, no proof either way, other than statements from AUTHORS that quote officials speaking in front of press or "inside sources".

More stupid abbreviations than the USA federal budget.

>During its last century as an imperial power, Venice wasted its resources on expanding its territorial rule of the Ionian islands and in Dalmatia. So, Fusaro concludes, in its decline, ‘while talking like a commercial empire, Venice was acting like a territorial empire’. Such a message from the past reads like cautionary tale to the great and powerful of our own times (one which Adolf Hitler, among many others, failed to comprehend).

Whoa. Anyways, Venice got too successful for its own good, got funny ideas and got rekt while LARPing as Russia and trying to take clay.

The deluge was quite messy

What about individual soldiers?

>What side do you want to fight for Larry?

>Whoever lets me kill communists

>socialist rojava being supported by the U.S.

What did they mean by this?

>The KMT troops were, in effect, the forebears of the private narcotic armies operating in the “Golden Triangle." Almost all the KMT opium was sent south to Thailand.[12] The trade between the KMT and their Thai allies worked such that weapons and military supplies were brought in to Mong Hsat on the incoming trip (either by mule train or aircraft) and KMT opium transported south to Chiang Mai on the outgoing trip. The KMT usually dealt with a powerful Thai police commander and client of the CIA, General Phao Sriyanond, who shipped the opium from Chiang Mai to Bangkok for both local consumption and export.

I never really knew about the chinese civil war before I came to Veeky Forums, other than Chang Kai Shek lost and went to Taiwan and Mao won. But all the Memes about "PUNISHED" Wang Jingwei, Changs apparent autism, and now this Lost Army shit, I need to find a good book.

Burma is not the only country in SEA with a silly civil war.

The Philippines has a long running insurgency with their Muslim minority called Moros. What started out as a nationalist uprising has devolved into a shitfight between:

The Government forces, split into:
>Flip armed forces.
>American advisors pretending to be tourists and showing up on briefings dressed in cargo shorts and slippers.
>Christian militias of Christian villages stuck in Muslim Mindanao.
VS.
-The Moro Nationalists (MNLF- Moro National Liberation Front)
VS.
-The Moro Nationalists who thought the OG nationalists were pussies and coopted Jihad as part of the Nationalist struggle (MILF- Moro Islamic Liberation Front)
VS.
The more batshit insane of the Jihadists who thought the MILF were casual fucks and the movement needs more terrorism but right now their motivations have devolved into "dope, dollars, and pussy" and are nothing better than pirates. (Abu Sayyaf)
VS.
The guys trying to suck off ISIS by pretending to be SEAsian ISIS and disdained their more secularly motivated Abu-Sayyaf ex-comrades by reminding them they're Muslim fighters who should do suicide bombings n shiet (BIFF- Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, Maute Group).

>poor people buy cheap shitty food
woah

> > They're [the Free Syrian Army] actually the smallest faction
> It began as the biggest.

That was just propaganda bullshit promoted by Obama and Hillary to justify their "regime change" foreign policy. Anybody who even looked cross-eyed at Assad was lumped in as a "valiant freedom fighter rebel", even if they never picked up a gun and quickly ran off to Europe.

The reality is that while the pro-West elements of the FSA were/are for the most part from the best educated and wealthiest segments of Syrian society, their actual numbers are tiny and they can't do shit without aligning with Islamist elements.

This was made perfectly clear when the U.S. spent bazillions on training and weapons for the FSA, only to have most of them immediately fuck off to Islamist side or even join with ISIL itself...

Turkey is nobodies ally, don't ever think otherwise.

Turkey is not as comfortable with US dominance than Saudi Arabia or Israel, but still very much a NATO member and important partner in US foreign policy.

Name a single reason besides literal blackmail from the Turks that NATO benefits from the alliance?

We get to use them to suppress Syrian self-determination and stop those mean ol' Iranians from checking Saudi power

> They're incapable of action without the Jews reminding them to breathe.

There is very little sense of nationalism among the Arabs, they’re still mostly tribal in their outlook and are just as happy to kill other Arab Muslims as they are to kill Jews.

The entire (Israeli driven) U.S. foreign policy since the Fall of the Shah as been to disrupt Muslim society and get them fighting amongst each other, as this insures Israel’s security.

Actually, just like your quote said, its a bit more complex.
They were annexing clay left and right and transforming into an italian local power, but still saw themselfs and acted diplomatically as if they were mainly a commercial power; so where in no way prepared when everyone united against them

>I don't know anything about the Cuban Missle Crisis
>Bosphorus closing Russia's fleet is not important

literally kys yourself. Turkey is definately up there as an asset to the NATO.

If you have a beef with NATO, think of estonia and all those baltic countries that are contributing nothing and just increasing tensions

fuck off jew boy

NATO is nothing more than a legal bulwark for western imperialism

It needs to go

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War
wew lad

>Mountain people's republic
Sounds cozy af

In addition, when Obama threatened to intervene if Al-Assad used chemical weapons, he ultimately chose not to in fear of the government getting replaced by wahhabists. Al-Assad realized this, released some sunni extremists from prison that ended up becoming ISIS higher ups, while reinforcing the story to the outside world that the Baathists are basically the lesser of two evils.

Yehh. Nop. The contras affair is well established while Irans denial is predictable and unreliable.

>SINCE WHEN IS KARELIA ITS OWN FUCKING COUNTRY?
Finns were periodically coming over the border to instigate and help local Finnic rebellions. First time they did this in Karelia the Brits, who were in the area to fight communists, actually started helping the Finnish red guards who were driven there after the Finnish civil war because they didn't want an ally of Germany to expand their influence in the area.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat

>They'll help tomorrows enemy if it harms todays enemy
Like when Americs funded the Taliban and is today funding """""""""""""""""""moderate""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""freedom""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""fighters""""""""""""""""""" in Syria?

They never funded the Taliban. What was left of the American supported Mujahideen became the Northern Alliance when the Taliban was created and took over.

>They never funded the Taliban.

france hasnt militarily backed israel since 1967, they were even the one selling nuke tech to saddam during the osirak affair during the 70-80s

Talibans =/= mujahedins

>First time they did this in Karelia the Brits, who were in the area to fight communists, actually started helping the Finnish red guard

Gee, what a surprise! Perfidious Albion again tries to fuck over natives, in this case literally helping the godless Jew Bolsheviks…

Talibans = Mujahedins

The "FSA" was never a single entity. It had representation on the world stage only in name and for the most part was just a bunch of small armed groups doing whatever they wanted.

Why do you think they deserve it? How much do you know about the kurds besides the shit pours out from your mainstream media?

you are retard

"No."

It was a defensive measure against the USSR.

Go home roach

This sidebox is considerable too.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_López_de_Santa_Anna

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