War is bad. Join me!

>war is bad. Join me!
>civil war
>polish-bolshevik war

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pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/
gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
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Nothing wrong with defending against reactionaries

Those were defensive wars

1st WW also was defensive.
also
>literally invading poland is defensive

Defensive wars for world domination lmao

Except literally no serious historian would claim the Soviets attacked Poland first. Why would you attack another country while you're in the middle of a civil war?

The same reason you'd be a Marxist, retardation

>idealist rhetoricians having to rule like actual politicians after coming to power

Gee, it's like talking and doing are two different things.

/pol/ NEET detected

communist NEET projection detection

Nice ad hominem. Not everyone who opposes your opinions is from /pol/:

How does it feel to be the enemy of 90% of the world's population? How does it feel to deserve execution?

are you literally arguing in favor of marxism

>Self-proclaimed anti-imperialist USSR invades pretty much everyone around them
hmmm

>je doesn't realise that he is being enemy of 90% of population by being a commie

I didn't know 90% of the world population was marxist.

90% of workers want to keep what they make, not put it in a big pile for everyone else.

Marxism is for NEETs and McDonalds employees

Only reason why someone would be anti-communist is
1) Autism
2) Low IQ
3) Absent or abusive father figure
4) NEET/No GF/Failing at life causes resentment towards leftists, who are on average more attractive, more well-read, more appealing to girls and women

No evidence, no substance. Can be refuted without evidence or substance. You're wrong.

Maybe I'm not fond of commieblocks and beet rations with the constant threat of being disappeared.

Literal KEK.

>most of the world population are NEETs and autists
Sorry to break it to you faggot but anti-communism is the social mainstream. You are the fringe.

If communism was so great for workers how can you explain that it was destroyed by workers?

I've never met a single anti-communist in my life who was even a decent person. All of them were physically hideous, either acne-ridden or obese. They were all stupid, uneducated, hilariously uninformed about even basic history, science, and philosophy. All had some serious personal issues that in some way contributed to a worldview reflexively supportive of existing socio-economic heirarchies. Personality-wise, they were even worse - arrogant, autistic, selfish, cruel, with no sense of humor.

Anti-communists = subhuman inferior genetic garbage. You're literally preventing the human race from advancing. You're helping to keep in motion machinery which rapes, pillages, and destroys countless nations. You're helping to keep the workers in your own country confused and exploited. Your existence is nothing but a burden for the human species.

Sorry, but you have to get out (of this iteration of existence). Please kys so the Communists (humans) don't have to waste our energy to do it for you.

i know you are trolling but it saddens me that people actually believe this

But really tell me. Why workers rebelled against government for workers? You sound like you didn't ever lived under communists. Are you from west? Most commies today are middle class bourgouese

Do commies count civil wars, revolution, and insurrections as wars?

Marxist say that wars are caused purely by elites but if a uprising or gang war cause as much destruction as any mainstream war does it still make it better?

Have you heard of a country called China? I know anti-communists are subhuman and literally retarded, but it's the largest nation on earth - and it's run by a Communist party.

Huge sections of India, particularly Chhatisgarh, Bengal, Kerala, Tamil Nadu and others are overwhelmingly Communist. Not that you, an anti-communist subhuman who hasn't opened up a book since high school, would know anything about those regions of India.

Most Latin American peasants are also communist, hating landlords, corporations, and Yankee imperialists. Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia. Huge communist populations in Peru, Colombia, Central America. If it wasn't for CIA terrorism most of Latin America would be hardcore communist.

Most of Eastern Europe is also communist. Majorities in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Georgia, even former GDR regret the collapse of communism and feel they lived better before capitalism. Anyone who isn't aware of this has never talked to an Eastern/Central European about politics.

Didn't even mention the tens of millions of communists in Africa, SE Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East (Assad's father was friends with Kim Il Sung and Castro)

>china
>communnism

i think we got a new copy pasta boys

The only place where this happened was Poland. Poles are notorious cretins, genetically predisposed to ultra-low IQ. It's the same reason "Polack jokes" have existed in America for over a century.

>no true communist argument

you wouldn't accept it when communists make that argue, so I not going to bother accepting it either

Dude. China is openly capitalist and against teachings of marx. USSR was following them

>run by communist party
>not communist

Nazi Germany was socialist then, according to your logic. Let's see how you explain that one.

Imperialist war =/= spreading the revolution

same amount of dead bodies

Most heavy and strategic industry in China is state-owned. Despite adopting many market reforms, the ruling ideology in China is still Communism. They still regard Mao as a hero and still claim to work towards the long-term goal of a Communist society.

>economy controlled by the state
>not socialist

they weren't communist though

Yes but Lenin viewed it as for a better and less pointless cause so it doesn't go against his beliefs.
Not what Socialist means. Also Nazi Germany's economy wasn't controlled by the state.

Except in reality, the state was controlled by the economy. Hitler just did whatever the big German industrialists told him to do, even if that meant throwing away millions of German lives for a slight increase in profit margin

Everyone views their wars as "better and not hopeless"

I always have the conspiracy theory that there isn't an image of lenin, just pics of Micheal Ironsides with a beard.

Communism's biggest problem is its dehumanization.

You can chalk it up to atheism, but I think it's deeper than that. When a human is no more than a worker, what's to stop you from sacrificing it for the good of the party?

name an economic ideology that doesn't dehumanize

>this is what anti-communists actually believe

WW1 was stupid. Lenin only made the mistake of killing Aleksei and his sisters.

Don't you believe in equality, user?

capitalism evolved naturally through ages. It doesn't dehumanize as much as it reflects human nature.

Marxism was made up by some random NEET from Germany. It only shows how a higher class imagines the life and needs of the working class; and the workers are often nothing but tools for them - hence, the dehumanizing part of communism.

NEET/No GF/Failing at life are exact reasons for joining some "radical" ideology, especially if it's that safe as being commie at the modern West.

Shit nigga you don't know shit. Educate yourself lmao

...

The reason why communists become communists is because they're tired of exploitation and imperialism. Because I'm a moral person, I feel bad when I see a worker brutally exploited, or a small country invaded and bombed to smithereens by an imperialist aggressor.

What reason do right-wingers have for becoming right-wingers? Clearly they don't give a shit about workers being exploited, or about independent countries being pillaged and destroyed. It's always some kind of personal vendetta. Maybe a negroid raped you in the ass during High School gym class or stole your lunch money. Maybe a jew scammed you in Middle School or beat you at the spelling bee. Maybe a sexy communists stole the girl you had a crush on but never had the balls to talk to (that was me by the way). Whatever it is, it's always something petty, autistic, and pathetic.

>any ideology based on social revolution

Technically was defensive. On both sides. The border clusterfuck of the dissolution of the empire meant everyone was technically on someone elses clay, so pretext was easy to find for a roman defense.

(cont)

Communists become communists because they want to help people's lives become better, because they want to see the world become a better place, because fundamentaly they are moral, empathetic people.

Right-wingers become right-wingers because they want to "get back" at whatever group allegedly wronged them. They don't care about people suffering, they don't care about the state of the world or humanity in general, they just care about seeking personal emotional gratification. No different from a dog or a pig that thinks only of eating, shitting, and fucking over the dog or pig below them in the pre-ordained social heirarchy they live in.

If all right-wingers died right now, the world would be a better place. Selfish, self-absorbed subhumans are a burden on the species.

>leftists, who are on average more attractive, more well-read, more appealing to girls and women

This has to be a troll because that is blatantly not true.

>Soviet union started Polish-Soviet war by invading Ukraine from West with Polish army

Yeah, the USSR sure helped a lot of people

Whatever you Say bubba

Grow up dude

Oh boy, it's just hip and cool, what exploitation are you tired of? Che Guevara tee for $19.99 and latest iPhone using which you're defending globalist narrative set by establishment. Moral person, lmao

> subhumans
But that's clearly Nazi terminology. How will you explain that?

by defending against reactionaries, you create reactionaries against the reactionaries forever

Yeah, it did. Thanks to Communism, over 100 million people became literate, got access to healthcare, culture, and education. Never would've happened in a capitalist Russia (what profit motive would there be in educating penniless peasants?)

Under Mao, China's life expectancy doubled - from 32 to 65. Literacy went from 17% during Chiang to over 80% under late Mao.

Meanwhile, in the biggest capitalist state in the world today (India) in 2017, 75% of children are severely malnourished. 80% of the population is de facto enslaved, with no possibility of social mobility. Most of the country still lacks electricity, schools, and hospitals/clinics.

Africa is another example. Despite being ruled for over a century by "enlightened" White capitalist overlords, 90% of the population lives on the brink of starvation, with no access to education, healthcare, or electricity. In comparison, former colonies of Russia like Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc, under Communism saw levels of development equal to those in Eastern Europe.

Mao is loved in China to this day. Stalin just won the contest for "most popular Russian" yesterday, and he wasn't even Russian.

Meanwhile, most of the world's population hates capitalism to the core, because it brings them nothing but misery, war, and exploitation.

How about you travel outside the country you lazy stupid faggot? You realize there's a whole world outside of America's borders, right? Unlike you, I've traveled extensively across many countries and have seen more than you probably ever will in your worthless existence.

This has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with a strong government willing to break eggs to make an omelet.

>Africa is another example. Despite being ruled for over a century by "enlightened" White capitalist overlords, 90% of the population lives on the brink of starvation

You dont know what the fuck youre talking about, i regret replying to you.

There are plenty of "strong governments" that are "willing to break eggs to make an omelete" but only communist governments bring about dramatic improvements in the lives of regular citizens.

I can name endless amounts of authoritarian capitalist "strongmen" (Suharto, Chiang-Kai Shek, the South American Juntas, etc) who did nothing but enrich themselves and their cronies while taking a nice big shit on their own people.

Nazis were correct in that some groups should be physically eliminated. They were just wrong about the group. The group includes Nazis, as well as all other anti-communists.

So let's fight the reactionaries!

You're right, the real number is 47%, not 90%.

"Only" 501 million people in Africa are living in absolute poverty, on the brink of starvation. Awesome! Wtf I love capitalism now.

>As opposed to communism where the government takes all the food and everybody starves

Daily reminder that any time a large centrally planned state fails and starts murdering citizens, it's okay because it wasn't real communism

you wouldn't have a problem with it if it was non-whites doing the oppressing :)

>Ignores non-communist centrally planned states that murder their citizens
>Thinks all communism is centrally planned and statist

>Soviet healthcare
You're killing me m8.

But I'm not. I don't give a shit when people are murdered under capitalism but communists obviously do because they unironically try to defend their shit ideology by shifting the goalposts

>Thinks all communism is centrally planned and statist

That's pretty much the definition of communism so you.

>being an American
>I TRAVELED OUTSIDE OF MY COUNTRY SO I'M THE EXPERT ON COMMUNISM NOW
I recommend immidiate suicide you brainfucked western trash.

t. East European

Holy shit are there ACTUALLY unironic Commies on Veeky Forums?

Like, I know most are just pretending to be retarded and baiting. But nobody here actually believes in communism.. right?

I thought people on Veeky Forums were somewhat literate when it comes to economics and history.

Then why are there people living in russia, dprk, cuba, syria, and china right now? How can a nation survive literally 80 years of uninterrupted starvation? How does it feel being too stupid to deserve life?

Daily reminder that anti-communists are historical illiterates who get their "redpills" about history and politics from reading wikipedia for 5 minutes and watching a deformed man talk to himself on youtube

>commies
>making sense
pick one and only one

China isn't communist. They've privatized a whole lot. Wanna know something funny? The most developed areas of China have the highest degree of privatization. The areas with the most state control are poorer. After Mao China's leaders pretty much realized that communism was retarded but decided to keep the name and symbols

>Then why are there people living in russia, dprk, cuba, syria, and china right now?

Because most of those countries backed off on the communism at least a little in order to preserve their own existence. Modern China isn't Maoist. Sure, the Chinese government might still praise him because he was their equivalent of a founding father, but privately they understand that his policies caused the starvation of 55+ million people.

Most Marxists I've met have never taken a single economics class in their lives and often have shitty barely passing uni grades

>saying China is communist while calling others uneducated
Either you don't know much about China, or you don't know much about communism, but likely both.

Believe me, a lot of idiots in college believe this. I had a Global studies TA tell me that China was communist, I told her that China hasn't been communist for decades and that North Korea has a class system that fucks people for three generations based on their past actions and she simply said "Well, I don't know about that"
I'm assuming this guy is a sociology major since they tend to be the dumbest.

In my experience the teaching/pedagogy major tend to be the dumbest faggots around. And it's kind of sad that future generations will literally be educated by the biggest retards.

Eat dick retarded Polack shitstain

81% of Serbians say life was better during communism:

balkaninsight.com/en/article/for-simon-poll-serbians-unsure-who-runs-their-country

63% of Romanians say they lived better during communism:

balkanalysis.com/romania/2011/12/27/in-romania-opinion-polls-show-nostalgia-for-communism/

73% of Hungarisn prefer communism to capitalism:

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

Overwhelming majorities in all former Soviet states except Turkmenistan say they lived better during communism:

gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

Reminder that most of Eastern and Central Europe hates your country and blames your "Solidarnost" bullshit for the rape and pillage of their nations after 1989.

Opinion polls don't actually mean anything because the results are skewed by nostalgia.

Get your hate speech off this board, user. Stop being a bigot and take that shit to /pol/
National Socialism seems to be more up your alley

What about North Korea? They never adopted any revisionist market "reforms". How are there people still alive in North Korea after being "starved" for over 60 years straight? You realize a person can't survive without food for more than a couple of weeks, right?

>Gallup poll
>Younger folk say communism benefited more
>Older folk say it fucked everything up
Oh, gee, I wonder who to trust, the youth who only experienced the near end of communism or the old folk who basically lived their whole life under it?

stopped reading after the first line

work on your baiting skills

>How are there people still alive in North Korea after being "starved" for over 60 years straight?

Because other countries have taken pity on North Korea and given them food for humanitarian reasons.

Yeah. I mean, 8 in 10 Pinoys trust Duterte.
They're living off of significantly less than Americans. It's just enough to survive, but they are not nourished well. Also old people get get less rations in general. Why do you think North Koreans are midgets in comparison to their South Korean counterparts? South Koreans are better nourished.

>81% of Serbians say life was better during communism:
Yugo-communism doesn't count.
>63% of Romanians say they lived better during communism:
>73% of Hungarisn prefer communism to capitalism:
That's because of boomers who claim that "hurr durr life used to be better in our times", even if it wasn't.
I'm sure that boomers think like this in every country.

>i refuse to accept facts that contradict the ideology i'm emotionally invested in, because ignoring them is more emotionally palatable than rebuilding from the ground up my entire now discredited worldview

>i know more about life in communist eastern europe than people who've lived most of their entire lives in communist eastern europe

>Polack
Slovak actually. Literal nazis are more popular here than your fucking communists, end yourself.

Yeah. The 90s famine happened because their food imports went to shit and flooding happened. Also general governmental incompetence. The soviets died and the state was too weak to survive with out them propping them up.

Since then, the state has mostly been propped up the the read: Privatized Capitalist China.

But hey, a government for the people, by the people right?

That pretty much describes your entire chimpout in this thread. Mr. "CHINA IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY BECAUSE THE NAME SAYS SO!!1"