What happened to Central Asian Iranians?

Tell me

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They were assimilated by Turkics from Siberia/Mongolia. By assimilation i mean they racemixed with Turkics and created a hapa-like race. People in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and Xinjiang have lots of Iranian heritage. Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan also have the heritage but they're less mixed.

Original Iranics like Tajiks are still alive though.

Xinjiang was Tocharian not Indo-Iranian.
Tocharians had been there since before Indo-Europeans even entered Poland.

Aren't Tocharians Iranic? Even the map shows that they're Iranic.

They started pretending that everything was an Iranian invention and became the niggers of asia and eventually led to modern Iran

Nope. They were unique. Indo-Iranians are linguistically closer to Balto-Slavs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasevo_culture

tl;dr indigenous IE Kushans, Tocharians, Scythians, [insert favorite erased indigenous IE group] what have you, all got KHAN'd

You really wanna know, friend?

>had been there
Where?

China's western border region

mongoloids resulted in the rape and genocide of Indo-European peoples living throughout all of central asia and the middle east. Central Asia is now full of mixed race Elliot Rodgers thanks to them.

Proof?

Central Asia was white before mongoloids genocided them. Now you have a bunch of hapas and Elliot Rogers running around.

>be prehistoric Central Asian
>member of heavy-bearded, aquiline-nosed Yamna, Afanasevo, Andronovo, Tocharian, Scythian, Bactrian, Sogdian
>invent the wheel and chariot
>first to domesticate the horse
>build prehistoric cities
>meet innocent looking Eskimo-like people in the periphery of your civilization, in the tundra
>teach them your ways of the horse and lifestyle, transfer your knowledge and technology
>they adopt and adapt to your Scythian ways
>they expand from their tundra, permafrost territory
>gradually take ownershership of Scythian clay
>for the next couple eons you fail against their onslaughts
>indigigenous Scythians of Asia is now replaced by Mongolids

Proof of what?

That they lived there long before IEs were in Poland.

One of them fucked my mom, now I'm here I guess

>be neolithic european
>member of farming race
>invent farming
>create prehistoric cultures
>meet indo-european raiders from steppe
>they murder you and rape your wife and daughters

>tfw I descend from rapist raiders
Feels good.

It's almost contemporary but they were at least the border of China some centuries before Corded Ware culture became a thing in Poland.

see

Afanasevo isn't in the Tarim basin.

Read the post again.

Cuck is that you? China was always 100% Chinese.

>Tajiks

those are the guys that one manga about tapestries talks about right

The northern invasions of mesopotamia like the sea peoples would be caused by turkics displacing the indo-iranians?

could the movement of slavic and germanic tribes in roman eras attributed to the same thing?

>Implying thats a bad thing

>The northern invasions of mesopotamia like the sea peoples would be caused by turkics displacing the indo-iranians?

Absolutely not. That's about 1500 years too early. Turkic people were still fighting the Han until after 0 AD.

so the indo-ranians naturally invaded iran and mesopotamia on their own?

now that I think of it. it's kinda weird that one of the two epople sknown for their extreme mobility and semi nomadic nature would fail to escape the their asian counterparts.

Are those violet eyes? Or are they grey?

>mesopotamia
>sea peoples

But they're Tajiks and relatively unmixed unlike Turkic peoples e.g Uzbek which are essentially a mix of Iranic and Mongoloid peoples

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

>retard thinks Levant is a part of Mesopotamia

Tajiks are just slightly bleached Pakistanis

WRONG

archaeological findings in the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture

They got Turk'd, Mongol'd and Slav'd

Nah they got genocided as did the other European Neolithic cultures outside the Mediterranean and even those were heavily raped.

scholars have linked the Tocharians with the Afanasevo culture of eastern Asia (c. 3500 – 2500 BC),

Whites brought metallurgy to China
> scholars proove that the Afanasevo were responsible for the introduction of metallurgy to China.

books.google.com/books?id=x5J9rn8p2-IC&pg=PA252

sino-platonic.org/complete/spp185_silk_road.pdf

Afanasevo and/or the Andronovo culture were responsible for the introduction of metallurgical technology into China, by way of the Tarim peoples (Peng 1998,[8] Bunker 1998,[9] Mei and Shell 1998,[10]).[11]

Seres Kingdom of Tocharians

Sericulture from the word Seres (Seres-culture)

>IE Europeans invented silk!

Seres was a confederacy of Tocharian people, who invented silk and traded it with the Indians, the Chinese and, through the Parthians and later the Sassanid Persians, the Romans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serica
Afanasevo early Indo-Europeans, metal-use, horses and wheeled vehicles, and cultural relations with Kurgan steppe cultures, the Afanasevans were Indo-European-speaking.[7] Afanasevo were genetically indistinguishable from Yamnaya people. Afanasevo were responsible for the introduction of metallurgy to China.

yes mongoloids genocided the native whites

Indo-Europeans didn't have that much Mongoloid DNA

yes, and then mongoloids genocided them

thats what this thread is about

read the fuckin thread

Name a European country which wasn't the victim of genocide at the hands of Indo-European invaders

the mongoloids genocided them

thats what this thread is about

read the fuckin thread

Mongoloids genocided pre-Indo-Europeans?

judaism is hindu; kabala is hindu ?

>pseudepigraphic work which pretends to be a revelation from God communicated through R. Simeon ben Yoḥai

> the country in which the work originated it is necessary to ascertain where and when the Jews became intimately acquainted with the Hindu philosophy, which more than any other exercised an influence on the Zohar

>only to the Hindus...Aryabhatta in the first century before the common era... the Vedanta school of the Hindu philosophers ... so many admirers as in Persia in the eighth century. Under its influence the Mohammedans of Persia founded many mystic sects(Sufis). This hindu mystic movement did influence upon the Persian Jews, various sects('Isawites, the Yudghanites, etc.,) based on Vedanta philosophy. Thus the Yudghanites abstained from meat, led ascetic lives, set aside the literal meaning of the Torah for a supposed mystic interpretation, and believed in metempsychosis, etc. All these sects had their sacred writings, which they kept secret; and these writings formed the Zohar, which is a mystic commentary on the Pentateuch, as the upanishads are the mystic interpretation of the Vedas and other Brahmanic scriptures. In its peregrinations from Persia to Spain the Zohar probably received many additions and interpolations, among which may have been the various names of the Tannaim and Amoraim, as well as the allusions to historical events.

jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15278-zohar

mongols genocided Aryan men in central asia and raped Aryan women which is why everyone looks like chink there now

Iranic R1a-Z93 is actually the major haplogroup in Kyrgyzstan, and about-Tocharian R1b mutation is the major haplogroup in Turkmenistan.

Indo-Europeans genocided Neolithic men in Central Europe and raped Neolithic women which is why everyone looks like an Aryan there now

>less than 7%
>major

R1a-Z93 is over 60% in Kyrgyzstan.

WRONG

archaeological findings in the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture

>less than 7%
Actually over 60%

Genetic findings suggest cucking of Neolithic Europeans with the local males ending up dead in a ditch

pnas.org/content/early/2017/02/17/1616392114

>russian rape babies
you are aware that russians live there

Now look at Russia on that map and realize how dumb you are.

Mongoloid raids and invasions as some of the deadliest conflicts in human history.

Large areas of Asia were seriously depopulated,[6] as every city, village or town was subject to destruction. Each soldier was required to execute a certain number of persons, with the number varying according to circumstances. For example, after the conquest of Urgench, each Mongol warrior – in an army group that might have consisted of two tumens (units of 10,000) – was required to execute 100 people [7].

Mongoloid invasions induced population extermination on a scale never seen before particularly in Central Asia and eastern Europe.
Mongol conquests anhilated 70,000,000+ 1206–1324 Eurasia
Conquests of Tamerlane anhilated 20,000,000+ 1370–1405 Eurasia
Turko-Mongoloid conquests anhilated 300,000,000+ 200-1920 Eurasia

Are you retarded? Russian mutations of R1a are not Iranic.

Look again at this map, this is only a map of Indo-Iranian R1a mutation.

>cant locate russia on the map

>Qin
A powerful red-haired Caucasoid from the Western frontier uses Western inventions such as the chariot to invade the East and conquers all the yellow-skinned submissive Mongoloids and rules over them. He institutes strict laws and standards throughout his empire to dominate and control his subjects and this leads to the Chinese cultural identity.

>Han
Chinese Mongoloid peasants rebel and oust their Caucasoid masters and make a peasant their supreme emperor. Thanks to all the technology and culture brought to them by their Western conquerors, the Chinese experience a golden age.

>3 Kingdoms
Constant warfare between a bunch of peasants who want to be emperor. Someone writes a bullshit novel about them 1000 years later making them superheroes.

>Sui then Tang
A northern Turkic people called the Xianbei conquer all of China. Tang is another golden age where Western culture is prevalent. For instance, the beauty standard is imported from Caucasoid Turkic northerners and fat lewd chicks are seen as the ultimate sex symbol.

>Liao then Jin
Northern steppe warriors invade and conquer half of China and enslave the Chinese population.

>Yuan
Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents) and his Mongolian descendants. They first conquer Jin, which is already foreign-occupied, and then they conquer Song and rape all the Chinese women. Chinese are relegated to the lowest social class in the multi-ethnic Yuan empire.

>Ming
Chinese peasants rebel and oust the Mongols. They once again make a peasant their supreme emperor.

>Qing
Northern steppe warriors called the Manchu invade and conquer all of China and subjugate the entire population. They force all Chinese men to shave half their head and massacre 30 million Chinese.

>Modern
Japan defeats Qing in a war and liberates the Chinese from 300 years of Manchu domination. Later, Japan weakens the KMT, and Communist peasants take over China.

stale pasta

I can only see 1-5% of this haplogroup around Novgorod, other islands of R1a in Russia are regions like Altai, Bashkiria, Tatarstan, various minorities in Caucasus, all with some Scythian blood because of Scytho-Sarmatian or later Turkish invasions.

And Slavs have very little of this mutation, so your "le russian rapebabies :------DDDDDDDDDD" meme is retarded.

>not knowing that during ww2 russians settled in kyrgzia, and even before.
>not knowing that russians lived there for over 200 years

>being this retarded

The discovery of a single tiny stone seal (known as the "Anau seal") with geometric markings from the BMAC site at Anau in Turkmenistan in 2000 led some to claim that the Bactria-Margiana complex had also developed writing, and thus may indeed be considered a literate civilization. It bears five markings strikingly similar to Chinese "small seal" characters, but such characters date from the Qin reforms of roughly 100 AD, while the Anau seal is dated by context to 2,300 BCE. It is therefore an unexplained anomaly. The only match to the Anau seal is a small jet seal of almost identical shape from Niyä (near modern Minfeng) along the southern Silk Road in Xinjiang, assumed to be from the Western Han dynasty.[11]


But in independent studies of the inscription, two experts in ancient Chinese — Dr. Qui Xigui of Beijing University and Dr. Victor H. Mair of Penn — concluded that the characters were much like a more advanced script practiced in the Western Han dynasty of 206 B.C. to A.D. 9.


Influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point. "The Anau seal forces us to rethink in a most radical fashion the origins of the Chinese script," he said.

BMAC wasn't even IE

>not knowing that this map relates to native population, not to immigrants like russians

>being this retarded

BMAC was definitely IE

Nope. They were a sedentary culture of local origin which was conquered by the nomadic Andronovo.

>not knowing that native population got slav'd

>being the mongoloid

That subclade is not Slavic.

If they got Slav'd they wouldn't have R1a-Z93 since Slavs don't have that, except a handful of Cossacks who have been breeding with Turkic friends.

Already told him so, he is just being retarded.

Why the fuck are even dumbasses like him lurking anything else than /b/?

fucktard

Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex aka Oxus civilisation
Bactria is IE
Oxus civilisation is IE

The Bactria-Margiana complex has attracted attention as a candidate for those looking for the material counterparts to the Indo-Iranians (Aryans), a major linguistic branch that split off from the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

Anau seal is dated by context to 2300 BC

gas yourself

Bactria is just the location which was named long after.
2300 BC was long before the Andronovo invaded.

R1a-Z93 haplogroup, the paragroup R1a-Z93* (Figure 3b) is most common (>30%) in the Siberian region of Russia, but it also occurs in Kyrgyzstan (6%) and in all Iranian populations (1–8%)

nature.com/ejhg/journal/v23/n1/full/ejhg201450a.html

get out this thread retard

>Siberian population of Russia
>Siberian
AKA native Asian and not Slavic you stupid faggot.

From your nature link.

See how Kyrgyzstan is dark blue for Z93?
That's because the _paragroup_ refers to the ancestral and older type of Z93, paragroup Z93* which is indeed just 1/10 of all Z93 in Kyrgyzstan.

WE

You can't prove anything by posting haplogroups
If R1a z93 is indeed Russian, then Kyrgyz people would have been less than 50% mongoloid, but they're more than 70% mongoloid.

two important volumes not only has identified the BMAC as Indo-Iranian but isolated, within the archaeological record, what he believes to be distinctive Proto-Zoroastrian cultural characteristics." …….The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History….ed. Edwin Bryant, Laurie Patton (2005) (Page 158)

"Scholars conclude that the BMAC are Indo- Aryan and the Andronovo are Iranian. Both are proto-Zoroastrian sharing common cultic rituals

No serious academic has ever proposed that BMAC is Indo-Iranian.

WE WUZ MONGOLOID N SHIT

fuck off Central Asians and Hindus are all Scytho-Iranian-White-Russians

Thank you for outing yourself as a retard. You can leave the thread now.

>mongoloids genocide white people

fuck off nazi

BMAC= indigenous culture with zero similarities to any Indo-European culture anywhere that was conquered by Andronovo.

That's the serious academic view, supported by Mallory and others.

this

Kyrgyz are whites!!!

back to /pol/ stormfag

Why does every Central Asian thread devolve to stormniggertry?

Same old copypasta that can be debunked easily.
yuki.la/his/1333449#p1338418

There were never iranian subhumans in Central Asia

Only alpha Turkics and Mongols

Fuck off mehmet

archive.org/stream/LaCivilizationDeLoxusEtIndo-IranianEtIndo-AryenesEnAsieCentrale/LaCivilizationDeLoxusEtIndo-IranianEtIndo-AryenesEnAsieCentrale_djvu.txt

they moved?

>Haplogroup autism

>By assimilation i mean they racemixed with Turkics and created a hapa-like race.
The earliest inhabitants of Siberia were a mix of East Eurasians with heavy ANE affinities similar to modern Amerindians or Beringians and Androvono/Afanasievo Indo-Europeans.

Historical Turco-Mongol invasions brought East Asian affinities to what they are today,but judging by the genomes of the Paryzyk Sycthians the invaders and the natives were already a mix of Eastern/Western Eurasians i.e. language shifters.
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9922-Comparison-of-700s-AD-Kimek-Khanate(-)-genome-w-Ancient-Steppics-and-modern-Turkics

Dont believe iranian horseshit

They never settled central Asia, too effete and feminine to do soo

>Samara culture (Russia 5500BC) (Caucasoid)
Yamna culture (Ukraine, Russia 3700BC) (Caucasoid)
Afanasevo culture (Siberia, Mongolia, China 3700BC) (Caucasoid)


Bolshemys culture (Altai) (4000 BCE) (Mongoloid)

Poltavka culture (Volga 2700BC) (Caucasoid)
Abashevo culture (Urals, Volga 2500BC) (Caucasoid)

Okunev culture (Siberia) (2500 BCE) (Mongoloid)
Glazkov culture (Baikal 18th BCE) (Mongoloid)
Zhukaigou culture (Mongolia, China 2000 BC) (Mongoloid)
Karakol culture (Altai 2nd millennium BC) (Mongoloid)

Andronovo culture (Ural, Siberia, Mongolia, China 2100BC) (Caucasoid)

Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture (Siberia 2000 BCE) (new Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants leading older Mongol-Caucasoid (Afanasevo) hybrids)

Suyarganovo culture (Aral 2000BC) (Caucasoid)


Ordos culture (Mongolia, China 600 BC) (Caucasoid)

OH LOOK ANOTHER THREAD WHILE IRANIAN SCUM LARP AS OWNERS OF EVERYWHERE

LMAO

GET CANCER AND DIE RACE OF TRAPS

Afanasevo (white) culture dramatically influence Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture as well as Persia, India, Caucasus, and most of Eurasia

>Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture (Siberia 2000 BCE) (new Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants leading older Mongol-Caucasoid (Afanasevo) hybrids)

Elunin culture was formed by interaction of Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants, who brought with them tradition of bronze metallurgy and advanced animal husbandry. Interaction between migrant Caucasoid ethnic groups and indigenous Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixed populations in the frontier, periphery foothills and plains area of the Altai's Upper Ob at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE

The frontier Tashkov culture people were in regular cultural contact with the Andronovo population of the Southern Urals, and they also learned metalworking from Andronovo

Krotov culture is an indigenous 2nd millennium BCE Bronze Age culture of animal breeders in the steppe and forest-steppe area of the Western Siberia Altai

The tribes of the Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov circle cultures were located in the Altai,forest-steppes and foothills; the Caucasoids were metallurgists and pastoral animal breeders. They developed entirely new designs of socketed weapons, and art images that included horses, oxen, sheep, camels, and more. The other Mongoloid component was located in the area of the Sayan highlands, where lived populations of the southern zone of East Siberian taiga hunters and fishermen. They belonged to the Glazkov, Shiver, and other cultures around the Baikal and Angara River basin, who mastered bronze casting and the manufacture of flint, jade and bone implements, and produced twin blade knives, scraper knives, and saws; their imagery had snakes, elk, bear, and more. The organic fusion of the Altai (Caucasoid) and Sayan (Mongoloid) components into a single culture is thought to have occurred in the steppe foothills between the Ob and Irtysh rivers.

They found that the Yamnaya of the Samara Valley in the northern steppe of Russia were genetically indistinguishable from the Afanasievo of the Altai in the Yenesey region of southern Siberia, which confirms archaeologists’ suggestions that there was a vast migration of steppe pastoralists to the east. But unlike in Europe where the Yamnaya interbred with local farmers, the Yamnaya moving east completely replaced the local hunter-gatherers—perhaps because this region was only sparsely populated, Willerslev says.

This eastern branch of the Yamnaya (or Afanasievo) persisted in central Asia and, perhaps, Mongolia and China until they themselves were merged with Andronovo, another subgroup of Yamnaya. These people from the Caucuses area, who were genetically related to central Europeans, persisted in central Asia until 2000 years ago, which means that people in central Asia were actually Europeans rather than living Asians. It wasn’t until relatively recently—just 2000 years ago—that these Caucasians were replaced by immigrants from eastern Asia, such as the Karasuk, Mezhovskaya, and other Iron Age cultures that today make up the ancestry of people in central Asia.

A Mongoloid/Caucasoid classification is far too simplistic,the historical Scythians were a mix of steppe(Indo-European) and ENA(Eastern non-African) or more specifically,East Asian lineages.

>Scythian_Pazyryk 1: ~65% East Eurasian
>Scythian_Pazyryk 2: ~55% East Eurasian
>Scythian_AldyBel 1: ~30% East Eurasian
>Scythian_AldyBel 2: ~50% East Eurasian
>Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 1: ~25% East Eurasian
>Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 2: ~50% East Eurasian
>Scythian_Samara: ~12% East Eurasian
Turkic speakers weren't pure East Eurasians to begin with already had steppe ancestry,conversely the Scythians had East Eurasian affinities prior to the Turkic expansion.
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9874-Ancestry-and-demography-and-descendants-of-Iron-Age-nomads-of-the-Eurasian-Steppe/page7

I really wish to participate on this conversation but I can't understand half of it.

Also stop using white as a term it's a non existant gringo buzzword

the recent expansion was participated by various mongoloid groups:
Xiongnu 匈奴, Xianbei 拓跋部, Donghu 东胡, Dingling 丁零, Shiwei 室韦, Tántán 檀檀 (Rouran Khaganate), Tuòbá 拓拔, Yueban 悅般, Nirun, Tūjué 突厥 (Gokturk), Chigan 叱干, Xue 薛姓, Xueyantuo 薛延陀, Tiele 鐵勒, Huns 匈人, Khazar 可萨人, Avars 阿瓦尔人, Bulgars 保加尔人, Xi tūjué (Onoq - Western Turkic Khaganate), Dōng tūjué (Eastern Turkic Khaganate), Gu-su (Oghuz) 烏古斯人, Ogurs, Utigurs, Huíhé (Uygur) 回纥, Onogurs, Kutrigurs, Kangar 康國聯盟, Kimak 基馬克汗國, Kuman 庫曼汗國, Kereit, Gelolu (Karluk) 葛逻禄, Kara-Khan 黑汗, Tūqíshī 突騎施, Yugur 甘州回鶻, Pachanaq 佩切涅格人, Qīnchá (Kipchak) 欽察, Nogais 諾蓋人, Karachays 卡拉恰伊人, Seljuk 塞尔柱帝国, Kirghiz 柯尔克孜族, Chigil 處月, Qangli 康里, Shalgan, Chulyms 楚利姆鞑靼人, Kumyks 庫梅克人, Dada (Tatars) 韃靼,
Güchügüd (Naiman) 乃蛮, Ongud 汪古部, Dolugad 杜格拉特, Bashkirs 巴什基爾人, Chuvash 楚瓦什人, Gagauz, Uzborgs, Kazakhs 哈薩克族, Khakas 哈卡斯人, Qashqai 卡什加人, Tuwans 图瓦人, Báxīmì 拔悉密, Shatuo 沙陀, Oirat 四衛拉特, Buryats 布里亚特人, Arghun 阿魯渾王朝, Kara Del 哈密國,
Khitan 契丹人, Khamag 蒙兀国, Mongol 蒙古帝国, Dzungar 准噶尔汗国, Chagatai 察合台汗國, Khilji 卡爾吉王朝, Telengut, Teleuts 铁列乌特人, Kalmyk 卡爾梅克汗國, Khoshut 和硕特汗国, Tonggu (Tungus) 通古, Dolgans 多尔干人, Sālāzú 撒拉族, Shors 索尔人