Wait! I'm interested now(and I'm a complete ignorant): why are JP and RU there?
Elijah Mitchell
The Nazis killed more poeple than Japan and USSR.
Brody Garcia
>God's innocent little lamb Finland
>Cruelty otherwise not seen in this world Sweden
Luke Hall
>killing more people makes the war crimes worse Nah
Elijah Baker
>USSR >Worse than Nazis
Did you just counted Banderites as Soviets?
Benjamin Jones
>soviets >not worse than the Nazis Stop
Hunter Peterson
The Nazis also had some sadists. Dirlewanger is the most famous one.
Xavier Brown
In what way were the Soviets worse than the Nazis?
Lincoln Robinson
I could talk with people who experienced both. Those who hate commies most and Nazis least try to insult Commies by comparing them to Germans.
That being said overwhelming majority doesn't even attempt to compare them.
Juan Nguyen
>He thinks USSR only fought against Germany
Jace Bailey
>Holodomor >The rape of europe > Everything that happened with the baltics and Yugoslavia
Jordan White
>We passed a shallow defilade we hadn't noticed previously. >In it were three Marine dead. They were lying on stretchers where they had died before their comrades had been forced to withdraw sometime earlier >As we moved past the defilade, my buddy groaned, "Jesus!" >I took a quick glance into the dpression and recoiled in revulsion and pity at what I saw >The bodies were badly decomposed and nearly blackened by exposure. >This was to be expected of the dead in the tropics, but these Marines had been mutilated hideously by the enemy >One man had been decapitated. His head lay on his chest; his hands had been severed from his wrists and also lay on his chest near his chin >In disbelief I stared at the face as I realized that the Japanese had cut off the dead Marine's penis and stuffed it into his mouth. >The corpses next to him had been treated similarly. >The third had been butchers, chopped up like a carcass torn apart by some predatory animal >My emotions solidified into rage and a hatred for the Japanese beyond anything I ever had experienced >From that moment on I never felt the least pity or compassion for them no matter what the circumstance
I'll admit this is really lightweight compared to some other accounts of the Pacific War and compared to some of the things that happened in the Eastern Front. At least in this case the Marines were already dead, others weren't so lucky.
William Edwards
>Holodomor That´s not a warcrime, you moron.
>The rape of europe lol
>Everything that happened with the baltics and Yugoslavia Did they've murdered over 25% of local population?
Joseph Thompson
BLOOD RACK BARBED WIRE POLITICIANS' FUNERAL PYRE INNOCENTS RAPED WITH NAPALM FIRE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY SCHIZOID MAAAANN!!!!
Nathan Gonzalez
>war crimes >Manageable "Yeah, you slaughtered a few thousand innocent civilians. Whatever. No one's perfect."
Landon Lee
Belgium
Dominic Richardson
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Brayden Sanchez
>That´s not a warcrime, you moron. No, but it is much worse than anything the nazis did.
>Did they've murdered over 25% of local population? >Did they've murdered No, i dont suppose they've did. Whats your point?
Oh, and if we are strictly talking about warcrimes, im going to add Finland to the list.
Kayden Turner
Oops, meant for
Kayden Cruz
Alternatively,
>"we're just studying them, I swear" tier Canada South Africa
Jack Butler
>No, but it is much worse than anything the nazis did. Based on what? Nazis starved simmiliar amount of Soviet citizens during the war.
>No, i dont suppose they've did. Whats your point? Nazis murdered 1/4 of Belarussian population. Russian warcrimes against Balts or Yugos seem rather small in comparison.
>Oh, and if we are strictly talking about warcrimes, OP, clearly specified that, you utter brainlet.
>im going to add Finland to the list. Don't you dare to accuse Suomi of warcrimes!
Gabriel Gray
Just a reminder that the Japanese of the Second World War were not to be considered men at all. They were savage animals in dire need to be stricken down with .30 Cal by John Moses Browning's holy weaponry.
Camden King
really nigger? google unit 731, rape of nanking
Michael Gray
>US >Managable
$0.02 have been deposited into your Paypal account
Juan Nelson
>Based on what? Nazis starved simmiliar amount of Soviet citizens during the war. Since when is it Germanys job to feed the ruskies? The only time they actually tried to starve the citizens was in Leningrad and thats like 600k civilians starved. Nowhere close to the 14 million the russians caused in Ukraine.
>Nazis murdered 1/4 of Belarussian population. Russian warcrimes against Balts or Yugos seem rather small in comparison. Why are you using a fraction instead of the accurate number of casualties? Also source?
>OP, clearly specified that, you utter brainlet. Yes, but you didnt.
>Don't you dare to accuse Suomi of warcrimes! No, im accusing Russia of the warcrimes they commited against Finland.
Josiah Foster
>Since when is it Germanys job to feed the ruskies? >What is Hunger plan
>14 million the russians caused in Ukraine. lol, that's like twice the number Ukrianian nationalists claim.
>Why are you using a fraction instead of the accurate number of casualties? To give you an idea
>Also source? Vadim Erlikman. Poteri narodonaseleniia v XX veke : spravochnik. Moscow 2004. ISBN 5-93165-107-1
>No, im accusing Russia of the warcrimes they commited against Finland. War of aggresion? Nazis never did that?
Noah Sanchez
Fuck off Paco
Nolan Cruz
>What is Hunger plan A thing i didnt know about. Still, only killed max. 4m.
>lol, that's like twice the number Ukrianian nationalists claim. No, it exactly what they claim holodomor.org The offical estimates say 7-10m. >To give you an idea To give you an idea, 1/5 of Estonias population was murdered by the soviets and many waere force drafted to be used as cannon fodder. >War of aggresion? Nazis never did that? They did, but when they did they didnt lie about it.
Blake Edwards
>A thing i didnt know about And you disscuss war crimes? Then you are a moron. >A thing i didnt know about. Still, only killed max. 4m. 4,2M, according to Snyder. Nazis wanted 20-30M
>No, it exactly what they claim only the shills on your webpage >The offical estimates say 7-10m. Incorrect. 2.5M (Kubiyovych), 4.8M (Hryshko), 5M (Conquest)
>Snyder wrote: "President Viktor Yushchenko does his country a grave disservice by claiming ten million deaths, thus exaggerating the number of Ukrainians killed by a factor of three; but it is true that the famine in Ukraine of 1932–1933 was a result of purposeful political decisions, and killed about three million people."
>Wheatcroft wrote: "I find it regrettable that Stephen Harper and other leading Western politicians are continuing to use such exaggerated figures for Ukrainian famine mortality" and "There is absolutely no basis for accepting a figure of 10 million Ukrainians dying as a result of the famine of 1932–33."
Your historical knowledge is...abysmal. How old are you? Were you a victim of American education??
Christopher Bell
Im just going to ignore your insults and leave this here.
Not him, and he probably had something other in mind, but just to give out an examples Thirty Years' War Deluge
Tyler Flores
>ISIS (or Iraq & Iran I guess) Iran is fighting ISIS, you fucking idiot.
Jace Carter
The Battle of Eniwetok happened in 1944, user.
Hunter Sanchez
>Serbia War crimes done by militants that were not directly supported by the current president, and later sotonised in the US press as new Hitlers to justify selling weapons to both sides and attacking them. Nice try kyke.
Leo Foster
>did literally nothing wrong tier
Confederate States of America Republic of Texas Rhodesia Australia (Emu War only)
David Barnes
Damn, 2bh famalam I just copied and pasted the caption to that picture absent-mindedly
Ethan Edwards
Remember Vendee
Kayden Morales
>war >crime Does not compute.
Liam Price
>ISIS (or Iraq & Iran I guess) >or Iran
What did he mean by this?
Luke Reed
>confederates did nothing wrong what is andersonville?
Jonathan Jenkins
>implying Wirz's trial wasn't rigged >implying the South as a whole wasn't on the verge of famine and could barely feed its own army and civilian populace, let alone a bunch of Northern war criminals >implying Yankee invaders didn't deserve it anyway
Hudson Gutierrez
The Iranians are wanton faggots who cry asstears on the internet about how everyone should love them, because they say mean things about the jews
Jonathan Brown
I'm confused, what does that have to do with ISIS?
Kevin Smith
>implying the subhuman redneck race deserves anything but death Pickett's Charge best day of my life
Wyatt Reyes
>being this assblasted on an Iranian carpet-trading internet forum
Go to sleep Amerilard.
Jace Kelly
Look up something called a Swedish drink. It was a torture technique in the 30 years war. They also killed like 25% of central europes population.
Christopher Sanders
The whole list is retarded, let alone >Serbia being above UK. WTF is >manageable War crime in the first place?
Jace Bennett
Forcing Eastern Europe to live under a Communist system.
Blake King
Add Independent state of Croatia to wtf or what is wrong tier. They apparently often disgusted the Germans with their over the top brutality.
Grayson Ross
>Iran >Iran or Iraq >doesn't know difference between the 2 I thought Americans were banned from this board. Saged
Thomas Clark
they still claim self defense lol croats aren't human
Eli Jackson
It's not like americans didn't put decapitated nip heads on their tanks as trophies...
Henry Gray
Fucking Swedes, Jesus
Juan Cox
when will you stop being butthurt about it, it's water under the bridge
Ryan Brown
Finland is probably the only country/people who can honestly claim to have dun nuthin
Jason Walker
>France and US commited less war crimes than spain
Explain yourself
Josiah Adams
>Serbia You only put it there because it's recent and you don't have any perspective. They'd be pretty low on the list if the actual severity was the judge and not just how you feel when you think about it
Objectively false. USSR killed many more, and I don't know about Japan though they certainly killed more than people generally think.
This is pretty much a muh feels argument. You could torture and rape babies for fun but if you only did it twice it doesn't compare to large scale genocide. There's a reason Jeffrey Dalmer or some other wacko isn't compared to countries who committed atrocities in an organized fashion. Individual acts are great for the newspaper but not much else.
Isaiah Green
>ussr worse than nazi germany >war against finland is a warcrime
i dont even naziboos pls stawp
Carter Thompson
>USA >managable Amerishits, ladies and gentlemen
Nolan Moore
>The Nazis killed more people than Japan and USSR. In open conflict maybe, but civilians wise , gulags > Holocaust
Zachary Fisher
Sounds more like Ukrainians, whose brutality was on the level of >JESUS FUCKING CHRI- at least since Khmelnytsky Uprising en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising#Casualties >Wherever they found the szlachta, royal officials or Jews, they [Cossacks] killed them all, sparing neither women nor children. They pillaged the estates of the Jews and nobles, burned churches and killed their priests, leaving nothing whole. It was a rare individual in those days who had not soaked his hands in blood >Stories about massacre victims who had been buried alive, cut to pieces, or forced to kill one another spread throughout Europe and beyond. And the entire Uprising started over one self-proclaimed "hetman" of cossacks that wanted to take revenge over some other guy, and then it escalated, where he even allied with bloody Crimean Tatars. Amusingly, in later Russo-Polish War (1654-1667), Crimean Tatars were on Polish side against Cossacks allied with Russia. That being said, only a retard would ally with Russians to get independence from Poland because they couldn't get privileges of szlachta... Which they didn't get due to tendency to do uprisings, having little to no respect towards law, and attacking both magnates of Ukraine (which were of Rusin roots) and Tatars as much as trading with both.
>Invasion or Finland is the problem and the mass government forced starvation , purges, and exiles Tankies plz go >>>/leftypol/
Jace Lewis
>Invasion or Finland is the problem and the mass government forced starvation , purges, and exiles *Invasion or Finland is the problem and NOT the mass government forced starvation , purges, and exiles
Why do leftists still defend the Soviet Union? It was worse than Hitler times ten
Brayden Hill
What a bunch of lies, but what else can we expect from a neonazis?
Matthew Smith
>Dude the gulags weren't real, Stalin didn't kill or starve any Ukrainians Not a Nazi you communist freak, but I guess anyone who believes in any kind of private ownership must be a Nazi though right?
Luke Hughes
Even better >Dude scorched Earth literally didn't happen >Even if it did the belarussians had it coming lol capitalist class cuck
Lincoln Rogers
Calm down burger, or you gonna shart your pants. The post was full of lies >The graph is wrong (it overestimates casulties of the Red army by 5M) >Assumption that ГУЛAГ killed more people is wrong even if we take the most exaggerated estimate for ГУЛAГ mortality.
as is your post, where you assume all people disgusted by revisionism are commies.
Chase Turner
Dutch deserve to be fucked up. They pretty much slaughtered some Indonesian islands
Elijah Morris
>I say the casualties were less and anything else is revisionism Brainlet detected
Robert Foster
Most estimates put it at 10 to 13 million ya dip
Ayden Mitchell
Are you trying to communicate? Or is it just damage report of your rectum?
Bentley Lopez
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Gavin Reyes
Um Germany should be at rock bottom. Also ISIS Iran?? ISIS has done a lot less than all the countries on that list lol.
Dylan Torres
No.
>Gulags Mostly just exaggerations. Gulags were NOT death camps, and the highest mortality rate in Gulags was during WW2. Before the war it was mostly 1-2%. And let's not forget that most Gulag inmates (before the war) were criminals, not political prisoners.
And Gulag system lasted much longer than the holocaust. First camps were already opened in 1918 and the system was fully established in 1920.
Blake Reyes
>United "Firebomb civilians" States
Connor Nelson
In the short amount of time the Nazis were in power, they put the USSR to shame. The USSR literally had to exist for another half century to compete.
William Campbell
>Objectively false. USSR killed many more, and I don't know about Japan though they certainly killed more than people generally think. It's not false. Between 1939 and 1945 USSR did not kill many more.
John Morales
>Rosefielde: 8.7M >Davies: 8.7M >Cambridge History of Russia: 8.7M >Willmont: 8.7M >Clodfelter: 8.7M >Overy: 8.7M >Timashev: 7M >Biraben: 8M >Keegan: 7M >Rummel:7M >Heynes: 7M >Russian Ministry of Defense: 8.7M
13.6M number comes from some Jew who specialises on history of the Olympic games
Lincoln Hughes
>>>/leftypol/ Take your revisionism elsewhere pl0z. Just as bad as the storm fags >They were just internment camps bro! >The zyklon b was just for lice. >Muh liberal lies The mass starvation of Ukrainians under a government program,you purges, betrayals of the Polish, Scorch and Burn policies, and exiling killed about as much as the Holocaust
Hmm... You really need to spend some time off of leftypol
Daniel Long
You said "most estimates", so beat me in number of the estimates, instead of tactically retreating into the land of insults.
Brandon Hernandez
>Scorch and Burn policies This is propaganda.
>as the Holocaust Holocaust is not the only crime commited by the Nazis.
>revisionism It's mainstream history. Gulags were not death camps. Not a single historian calls them that. You can call them concentration or labor camps with high mortality rate (which is true only for some of them).
Ethan Collins
Not an Argument you filthy communist
Nathan Bell
>Engage in argumentum ad populum with me No :^)
I'm not about to waste my time naming every historian who doesn't low ball the estimates. 9-13 million military (Russians bicker a lot about POW deaths) 20-25 million overall
Asher Kelly
>This is propaganda. No it's a fact >>>/leftypol/ ^^^^^^^ this is where you belong >The gulags were just a concentration camp with a high mortality rate, not a "death camp" Topkek, do you read what you write before you post it?
Asher Watson
>No it's a fact Prove it. Most deaths were caused by German actions, not by scorched earth policy.
>Topkek, do you read what you write before you post it? Yes, what's wrong with what I posted? It's true. Buchenwald or Dachau also had high mortality rate but they were also concentration camps.
Joseph Rivera
>Holocaust is not the only crime commited by the Nazis Every crime against civilians committed by the Germans in WW 2 is lumped under the Holocaust. Of course it being the holocaust estimates range from nothing to 11 million
Ayden Davis
>I'm not about to waste my time naming every historian who doesn't low ball the estimates. It won't take you much time, there are not many of them.
>argumentum ad populum My argument is that academic consensus aligns with the estimate of Russian ministry of defense and I support this by naming actual historians, instead of just wanting others to take my word for it.
However, let's not get stuck in this mud and focus on the original point, which was that victims of Nazi aggression came mostly from military. Can we agree that it is a lie?
Adrian Fisher
>Prove it The German actions you spoke of we're not giving civilians their excess food once the Soviet stole their stores of food and burned whatever they couldn't take. >Whats wrong with what I wrote People were expected to be abused and quasi removed from society permenantly , with the intent to kill prisoners (who were capitalist spies anyways of course) doesn't matter if they weren't executed, it's a death camp you moron.
Nathan Cox
>Ignoring that the Russian Central Defense Ministry Archive disagrees with the Russian Ministry of Defence over deaths of POW's It's almost like Papa Stalin tried to keep the fact that people deserted or were captured instead of dying for the cause a secret...
Jordan Lopez
It's not. 11 million is only the amount of people deliberately killed by the Nazis. It does not include people who starved to death because of Nazi's policy. Overall the number would be closer to 20 million.
Andrew Gutierrez
>People starved in eastern Europe because of the Nazis and not the Soviet Union which collectively stole all stores of grain from civilians and burned anything they could so the Nazis couldn't take it >It's the Nazis fault for not giving humanitarian aid to the Russians so they could be conquered by the Russians So this is the true power of commie apologetic autism... No the Holocaust estimates of starvation and direct violence are all under the Holocaust whose max estimates are at 12 million.
Adam Gomez
You don't know how Gulag worked. Most Gulag prisoners did not die.
>permenantly Usually for 1-2 years.
>once the Soviet stole their stores of food and burned whatever they couldn't take Except there is no proof of this. Have you heard about the hunger plan? There are some documents explicitly stating that it's possible to feed the population of Ukraine and Belarus but it would hinder the German Army.
Connor Gray
You are repeating myths. Even Wikipedia says:
>When Germany attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941, many district governments took the initiative to begin a 'partial' scorched-earth policy to deny the invaders electrical, telecommunications, rail, and industrial resources. Parts of the telegraph network were destroyed, some rail and road bridges were blown, most electrical generators were sabotaged through the removal of key components, and many mineshafts were collapsed.
But:
>The process was repeated later in the war by the German forces of Army Group North and Erich von Manstein's Army Group Don, which stole crops, destroyed farms, and razed settlements of at least city size and smaller during several military operations. The rationale was that it would slow pursuing Soviet forces by forcing them to save their own civilians